Ep. 37 | Catching Up with Collin Morikawa's Coach Rick Sessinghaus After the Win at WGC-Workday

We are joined by our Director of Mental Coaching and Collin Morikawa's longtime coach Rick Sessinghaus (@ricksessinghaus) for a special episode today.

Collin's win at The Concession this past weekend was phenomenal, and we're here to share how he geared up for this challenging tournament.

It's a great episode for any Collin Morikawa fans and competitive golfers striving to play at the next level.

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Transcript

Leo 0:10

All right. Well, welcome to the urban golf podcast. We have a little special episode. The day after Colin Markov was big win at concession, and we have a special guest on his coach. Rick's accessing house. We've got so much to talk about. I mean, Paul Azinger is chipping tips, Mark Ramirez, putting tips like what happened, but first of all, Rick, how did you experience yesterday?

Rick 0:37

Well, I experienced it on my couch nerve racking, watching every shot and throughout the whole day, yet it was a, it was a weird time because I was of course, super confident in, in Colin and that he would play well, you never know how the rest of the field's going to do. Somebody goes and shoots. 64 or something like that, but um, exciting uh, see how everything unfolds and for all the hard work he's put in he deserves it, but yeah, I watched every shut on TV yesterday,

Leo 1:04

same here about eight hours in my couch. It was, it was nerve wracking, but it was also interesting. And they talked about it afterwards. Just how Colin put pressure on the chasers. You know, can you talk a little bit about, like, do you talk to Colin before his last round or, or how, how does the coaching work during the week? Because you know, he's shown now over, you know, time, over time, again, like how strong he is and when the pressure is really high, when, when he needs to step up, he steps up.

Rick 1:36

Yes, no again, and it's a wonderful trait he has, and we of course continue to try to cultivate that. And one of the goals going into this calendar year was to be in content in contention more often. He got a little down on himself after in the fall. And uh, one to get in contention to get. So he uh, he, I have part of that was mindset. And I think back to what they were saying on golf channel is that he was putting pressure on those that are pursuing him is that he was playing to his strengths. And I think in this day and age, everybody needs to play to their strengths. And his, of course his approach shots, his, his course management, his, his playing within himself. Right. And he's not going to make silly mistakes. Yeah. You may execute a bad shot here or there, but he's not going to allow people to come back in getting outside of what his normal is. So throughout the week we always talk our. Our pattern of coaching and player, relationship has been the same for a long, long time. So even though I saw him at Riviera for about five of the seven days when he's out on the road on Florida, which I did not go to uh, we talk after his Tuesday practice round, we talked after his Thursday first round. We texted after Friday and we talked after Saturday. It just a matter of, and some of those conversations honestly are two minutes long. Yeah, because it's, it's, it's not about over coaching. It's about just getting a sense of where he's at and if I feel he's good, then I just shut up and turn the phone off. So he's uh, and he again has a lot of those skills already there, but I think one of the, I think we can certainly talk about it, but. He has helped by asking some questions that of whole Mira. And Azinger, he's always curious. He's always out there learning and he applies what he thinks he needs. He doesn't apply everything that he goes out and learns, but he asks great questions. And I think article for the week was more about focus, was more about staying in every golf shot. And JJ is Kadie did a wonderful job and they teamed up. Fantastic. I would say he, he would agree that he made two mistakes on Saturday. One was a club choice area, and one was maybe not the committed and when that happens for him it, it wakes them up even more. So then I go, Oh, He's fine. So I knew yesterday he was fine because it Saturday after at the end of that, well, I think woke them up even more like, Hey, I can't take anything for granted. It's time to it's really time to go. So uh, yeah, super, super thrilled. But we are touching base throughout the week to make sure we have a game plan. Make sure if there's anything that he has questions wise. And so, like I said, some of those conversations are two minutes. Sometimes they're 30 minutes.

Leo 4:02

Yeah, go ahead. Sorry, just

Mac 4:04

one question. W w what do you, what do you think it is? I mean, I've been asked this a lot. They're like, man, what's, what's separating Collin. Like I had like 50 texts, like, what is the, what's the deal? You know? And I'm like, it's just incredible success. I mean, it's, I mean, his whole career, but really just to fast, one of the fastest starts in professional golf history. To have this much success. And everybody's like, what, what separates him from that? And like, since you've been out there with him and watching this, and you're there with him at the PGA when he won and you're watching all these other players and there's so much talent out there, I mean the best players in the world, what, what what's separating him? Like what, what would you say is, and I just sent everybody a emoji of a brain, but, but what, what is it that separating him? Why, why is he so special? And what's making this like, Such an incredible run, you know?

Rick 4:50

Yeah. No, and again, I, we can all put it under this it factor, but as we've looked at great athletes and competitors, that it factor can be defined in different ways. I, you know, I look at it from a young age, he was competitive. He wanted to learn. He was very coachable. He had a we had a long-term plan instead of short term fixes. I think going back to just past this week, yeah. He knows his game. He doesn't try to be somebody else. And that didn't matter in junior college or now in the professional ranks, he owns his game now. Not only does he own his swing, like, Hey, I'm going to hit cuts. I'm going to start it here. He owns his mindset. He owns that. He loves being in competition. He loves being in contention. I think that's something again where I talked to people about the mental game, and I think there's this misnomer that everything's about this process. And I get it, but we have to embrace the outcome. We have to be excited to be in the mix he wants to, he wants to frickin win. And if he doesn't, he's disappointed, but I think he gets excited about that instead of fearful. And it's a way for it. We always talk about learning. Hey, whatever, what had happened yesterday, he was going to learn from, you know, we learned from, he can, he can sleep on the lead. Awesome. It can learn that people are chasing him. He can keep it going. So this is all about a learning process, but I would say he, I talk, he's always been competitive. He's always been coachable. He's always been buying into a long-term plan into the short-term fix and the guy knows how to make good decisions under pressure. And it doesn't try to deviate that from that. So, I mean, I could go on a long list, but I think those are the main, you

Mac 6:29

can really see it, Rick. I mean the joy in his eyes, like, that's the thing, that's like the big smile that, you know, my son was just like, so pumped when he's like big smile at the end makes it, you can just he's like, I was like, when the champion smile, like really smile like that, like really when he finishes the last putt. And so just like, but just like how I can see what you're talking about when he's like on tee boxes and he's in contention. The way he like looks at the landscape. He's not, you'll see some of the guys at the highest level, they're just like kind of jittery or maybe grabbing stuff or looking down. And he's just like, he is looking forward with this like excitement, but like a calmness and excited. It's

Leo 7:04

really awesome. How did you develop that? Cause obviously, you know, he's a, he's a freak, but you also developed him. Right. So uh, you know, I remember you saying. Saying something on another podcast we were on that really kind of stuck with me because everybody gets the first, you know, first tee jitters, you know, high pressure. Why do people, why do people cave under that? And what does he do? And one of the things that you said was you got to take in all the possible outcomes and even think about, Hey, what happens if I shank it off the tee here, nothing's gonna, I'm not gonna, you know, die. I'm not gonna. You know, do at ABC, I'm taking, taking the outcome in and, and kind of process it and then go from there. Can you talk about that a little bit? Cause I think everybody listening that gets nervous and really doesn't know how to control the nerves on the T. I mean, I was, I was probably more nervous than, than, than the call. I mean, that concession, I mean, I was like, I was like every single hole. There could, could be a triple bogey. I mean, like, it was never over until it was over. I felt like that's how I felt like in the couch at least.

Rick 8:17

Totally agree. I, I think, you know, we go back to perception is realities, right? So what we're proceeding in that moment is now our reality, we react to that reality. So a first tee shot can be perceived as fearful. It could be perceived as exciting. It could be perceived as neutral. It's a golf shot. So we have the power to create a meaning towards that. And I think people are already for whatever reason, wired about, you know, First tee jitters, and you're supposed to be nervous and you're supposed to be fair. It's like, you're not supposed to be anything. You get to choose that. And I think Colin at an early age, as we got through junior golf and college golf, you start to put people in uncomfortable positions and we get to learn from it. And he has, at times when he was closing out of college at that one time, I remember he said he got ahead of himself and he tried to be perfect. So that was not how we want it to be great. We learned from it next time through this. So I think it's not looking at one result as. Oh, my gosh. It's earth shattering. It's Oh, I get to learn either way, but it is about perception. So sometimes we're nervous. I ask people all the time is nervous, good or bad. And then people kind of goes to trick question. I go, you tell me. And usually I get the answer. It depends so right nervous. This can be interpreted as fear of what could go wrong in the future, or it could also be interpreted as excitement. I can't wait to hit the shot and I think Colin has an excitement. Yet as, as max says, he has a calmness about him too, that keeps him present. And so that's that poll, isn't it, we've got a future result with a present based it and it's back and forth, back and forth. And I think he does a very good job of being calm. Uh, We always record back now to the last round of the PGA and he admits that that was his most calm, deep focus he's ever been at now. When I talked to him about what happened the last few days, I think he tapped into that. His caddy said he definitely tapped into that. So that's a state that we are training over and over again. That's

Mac 10:13

awesome. I remember just the difference between me and Leo, like on the, I think early in the back nine, he like. Hit that little, little wood off, you know, chipped up there had a little like 10, eight, 10 footer for par makes it. And I'm like game over. It's done. He won and Leo's like early call. It was just like, he's dressing over t-shirts. I'm like it's overdue where you start celebrating now. So,

Leo 10:33

well, I mean, I think I think it was Chris Mason that said it just how long a Sunday is for a player, especially when you're in a lead. It feels like a week. You know, that last round just feels like a lifetime. Cause every shot is so critical. And I could just imagine on a course like that with the field, like that, just how you take every shot and how much it takes off. I'm sure. After the round, you know, mentally are pretty exhausted, right? I mean, it's just.

Rick 11:05

Yeah. And you bring up a good point too. Is that when you're teeing off now at what was East coast time, one 50 in the afternoon, you wake up, you got a lot of time on your hands, right? Then you're warming up. You're seeing other guys already making a few birdies and looking out there. I mean, there's a lot to take in that is again, a great experience for him. I think it, it, it served him well that it was on such a challenging golf course, too. I think that helps us confidence going, Hey. I'm speaking for him right now, but it's like, I know I'm gonna hit good drives. I know I'm gonna hit good iron shots and guess what? You have to be precise out here. I think just fed to that. It would be different if we're playing one of these times where, you know, 28 unders winning and everybody has to go shoot 66. I think that's a benefit for him as he plays on some of these challenging golf courses. Uh, He fits right. I ended up,

Leo 11:56

he, um, I looked at some stats that might be a little bit off, but I mean, I think he. I think it gained 14 strokes on the field and approach. And I think it was number one in putting as I R

Rick 12:10

I seen the, I haven't seen the, the, the week stats. I was going to like round around a little bit, but yeah, approach shots were unbelievable. He obviously hits tons of fairways. And that was one of the goals in the week. Once he saw the, the course of Monday, Tuesday, he says, Once I get into the fairway, right? That's his motto. Once I get in there, then it's Gaytano because, right. Because we saw that, you know, a little bit off there didn't mean a bulky, it meant worse. It meant double or triple, which is odd on a PGA tour event. Usually they're in the rough, they can hack it out. They can be up and downs, but he knew that It premium was getting in the fairway first. And then, and then you have these greens with all the contours that there was quadrants and stuff like that, that he is getting very good and him and JJ are very good at making decisions that match the green complex is coming in. Yeah.

Leo 12:55

As, as people understand, like just how dominant and he is because he's the best iron player in the world right now is a, roughly, you know, he beats tour average with a six iron in his hand. Versus like a pitching wedge on average, like, yeah. I,

Rick 13:09

I think that's probably, I mean, that was something that happened years ago. They were, they were kind of making a story out of that. I probably would, I would probably be saying six to eight arm. Right. So he's going to hit it closer from a six iron distance than somebody with their eight iron and part of that. You know, that disparate, disparate, excuse me, that dispersion is crucial because you know, we've got caught up in distance right now with the driver. And I think it's awesome that these players are pushing the limits. Yet. You also have to understand that it's really, whoever gets closest to the hole now has a better chance now to, to make parts. So he's understood his game is okay. I'm even if I land between one 75 and 200, which a lot of us will say, Oh my God, that's the one way away. He's going to bring it on. I could hit it to 18 feet, 23 feet, make one or two of those around. And then he's going to hit a few inside of that. That's I think part again, knowing your strengths and we don't deviate from putting himself in a position to execute those, would you,

Mac 14:06

would you say Rick that he. You know, you talked about, you know, fans earlier and, and not having fans. And, and, and do you, would you say he. He blocks things out. Does he absorb the energy? What's the, what's the mindset there? I mean, I know a lot of players look at it differently, so tiger in his prime was just like blinders on blocking it all out. You think of Lee Trevino just like absorbing the energy of the crowd and of his playing competitors. What's what's call-ins.

Rick 14:32

I liked what you just said, absorbing the energy. I think he does a good job with that. I don't see him as somebody who tries to block out anything. Um, And that's never been our motto because your, your attention is going to be distracted throughout even just for a few seconds. But he's very. Present to then pay attention to what is in his control coming up. But I feel he likes the crowd or the energy. And and maybe seeing ahead of himself as if kept come makes a Bernie, I think that he does pay attention to his environment and uses the information that he needs for that next shot.

Leo 15:07

Does he it's funny to say present because he's also very present privately You know, when you meet Colin, it's, it's very, he has a very unique ability to focus and really active listen to the person he's talking to. And I remember, you know, he came back in and I saw him after he'd won. I think. His first two and I thought, okay, maybe he's going to be a little bit different. You know, we, we worked with people that really liked themselves and, and Colin has always been the most humble and nice person. And I thought, okay, maybe, you know, he's, you know, he's made it now. He's going to be a dealer now. And it was pretty busy in the gym. And he was like the most, he was even more present. He was like completely locked in. And there was a lot of distraction around him and he was just like, Right. So present, looking straight into your eyes, very, very focused. Obviously it's, it's a great trait, both personally and performance wise, but just really interesting side note you know, being present in general might you know, really help you on the golf course. You know, I think we see a lot of clients of ours that are not present privately and they're, they're not able to be present on the golf course either. They're there somewhere else. Um,

Rick 16:21

I totally agree with that. Sorry. Sorry to cut you off. I think at an early age, I appreciated that when you have a 12 or 13 year old, who's listening, looking you in the eye asking great questions. Again, that goes with his upbringing, his parents, and he's just been that way for a long, long time. And I think you bring up an interesting point where. I've always said kind of like, yeah, we want to train to get a better golf for, to be present on, on the golf course. Yet people could do this in life and people can be more engaged in a conversation where people can be, you know present even behind the wheel of the car. I mean, that is, that's the old idea. Right. We only have this moment and I think he's done a great job of living that. Yeah. So

Leo 17:02

let's talk about chipping out of the Bermuda. I can't, I still can't chip out of Bermuda. Um, Uh, But ACEing air gave him some, some advice there. Do you know what that was like? Was there anything uh, that we can uh, benefit from as well?

Rick 17:18

Yeah, I, I don't have any specifics to be honest with you about your own Mac secrets. I don't even know if it's secrets about, so it's interesting a year ago almost a year ago now. When the pandemic kit we were at the player's championship and earlier in that week, we spent a lot of time shipping. And he was going through wedges and they are tailor made, was making this and this grind and stuff like that. And, you know, JJ and myself, we're, we're trying to figure some stuff out and we were getting there. I'm not saying we have anything fixed by these, get hitting on Bermuda, and then you have the pandemic kid and then he's playing not necessarily Bermuda all the time. And then we get back to it and. He got into some, some shipping inconsistencies from a technical standpoint in the fall. We worked on something in Vegas and he was trying to spin the ball so much that it was, it was causing some different release points. And now you put it on the Bermuda and it just wouldn't work. There was just too much balancing and too much stuff going on. So we, we simplified some stuff in Vegas and it was looking better. Maybe the stats got a hair better. But I think what, you know, Hazing or did was just a great job of keeping super simple. Hey it up a little bit. Use the balance and keep the hands very passive, I think is the gist of what they talked about. They talked for about 10 minutes yet for, for Colin it's once you take, he takes the information in, he thinks about it, does it a couple of times. And then once he gives it his like personal stamp of approval it's game time, he's ready. And so he's very good at. Processing an information, applying it and then figuring out is he going to use it or not in a pretty quick time and in this case?

Leo 18:55

Yeah. No. And that's, what's so impressive with the guys, you know, he changed to the sock grip by Riv and he was, I don't know, last in the stats or it was not good. And, you know, and I was like, okay, well, you know you know, change, the grip didn't work that well, but he knew that it felt right, right. He didn't care about the stats. And a lot of, I think other players would care about the stats. And I think that's a, that's a strong suit too. It's like, no, I believe in this, I'm going to continue. I don't care what the stats say. And then actually pushed through and do that.

Rick 19:32

Yeah. And you bring up a great point where we get stats obviously every week, but the ShotLink and tailor-made provides us with a ton of information. We look at stats a little. Okay. I think we have to, to make sure that we're trending and where we want to go. But it's interesting. I was there for his final at Riviera and I was with him all week and I saw in his caddy, JJ saw him starting his uh, his start lines with putt were great. So we're going fantastic. Great. We got that solved. His speed control got better. We go great. Now that final round, he hit the ball very, very well. And I think he did miss 10 putts inside 10 feet. So that could have been a 64, unfortunately. I think it was one or two over. Yeah. But afterwards now he wasn't happy. He wasn't happy at all. But when we talked, we, I wanted to make sure he wasn't going to now put it away and he's like, no, are you kidding me? I know I hit one bad putt all weekend. JJ said, no, it was, the lines were great. So we knew we were on the right track. So now you had to get more repetitions and now you're going to Remuda green. So we wanted to see, Hey, how does that get a process there? And I've never heard him more excited about putting and you can hear that in after his post-game and stuff like that. So he doesn't, he, he, isn't very, a lot of, a lot of, a lot of golfers. I mean, we're field players, right. One would be comfortable and that's, his word is comfortable. And he says, Uncomfortable. That's the only thing I needed to hear. We'll figure out some nuances here and there, but um, I knew he was on the right track. And obviously he, he put it to great use and I think it wasn't really day one actually day one, a little bit, but that obviously day two, he's making all these birdies and shooting tying the course record. You now got into a rhythm of him making six to 15 footers. And that just of course builds confidence. And then that that's, like I said, it's, it's lights out from there.

Leo 21:19

Did Mark O'Mara he? Cause he met Mark and saw him pump with that and ask them questions where you, did you just kinda agree or were you there in involved in that decision?

Rick 21:32

I wasn't involved in the decision, but you know, Colin and I have known each other for a long time back in college, we had a funny. Kind of a funny story where he would call me after a round of golf and like 30 seconds in, I would say, okay. Which grip are you using on the Putin grade? Yeah. Are you going cross hand? Are you going regular? You go, right. So he's. Had some volatility with the putter grip in the past. So I I've always opened he's the player. I want him to be comfortable. I then look at it mechanically to see, okay. Does it match what he thinks he's doing in this case? He came, we worked at a few days earlier on Sunday before rib and he comes out and goes, Oh, I got something to show you. And I go, okay. He goes, yeah, I've just, you know, talking to Mark and and just ask him a little bit about why he changed stuff like that. And they talked like 10, 15 minutes. It wasn't like O'Meara looked at his putting stroke and say, you need this. It's just, Goldman has always curious and said, okay, maybe this will work for me. And it was comfortable. And again, I then look at it and go, okay, what's your target line? Let's say he says, inside left edge. And he hits on the list. I go. Look straight. Right? So he's being comfortable and feeling it. I then have to now double check. Is he really getting the results? He wants the ball's rolling on target intended line, the other ones. So once we did that on Sunday, I go, let's go for it. You know? So we built built from there, but I certainly he's the player. He can experiment, but he's, but he's not going to just do it for doing it. Say he thinks about it. He analyzes it. He feels it. So I know he's not just being flippant

Mac 22:57

with that's amazing and that commitment, you know, just having the commitment to it, especially to have a week like that. I mean, Leo is ready to give up on it after riff for sure. As he wasn't. Let's be honest. You're like, what are they doing?

Leo 23:08

You were so frustrated. Let's just, let's just say it. That's why I'm not on tour. That sounds strong.

Rick 23:17

You gotta trust the process.

Leo 23:21

I wasn't that passionate, but I, but I was questioning it and, and that's why I'm bringing it up is like, I'm sure other players that. Are maybe I think what it is, is like, if you care a lot about what other people thinks of you, it's a struggle. Right. Because then you're, you're gonna always fight that. And I, I that's, what I see in Colin is he's open to new information, but he's very, very smart about it. You know, I'll talk a little bit about, you know, cause we worked with him the week of rib the week before and he came in pretty much all week and uh, And he's very open to, to, to changing things in his body. Because he's not that worried that it's gonna, you know, he even said to Ryan, like, don't, don't, don't worry about it. You know, changing my swing cause there's only going to improve things. Right. And so what we did physically was. We had know, we hadn't seen Colin in awhile, so it was more of, okay, let's see where we're at. We didn't do an assessment, but we kind of did an assessment uh, without him knowing just to check and make sure, okay. What, what what's kind of gone back backwards. You know, when we first saw Colin hip mobility was, was not where it needed to be, especially with. With his move. I mean, so much mobility and such a great golf swing with so much clearance. You know, so we, we worked on, you know, Ryan worked on his feet a lot. And, and Matt worked on kind of the basics, making sure that his muscles are firing, making sure that his hips is moving. Um, His shoulder and upper T spine is nice and extended. And it's just a pleasure to work with. And, and, and so my message, I guess, is, is, you know, golf fitness is really just about. Is your body prepared to, to play at your level, you know, and you know, and that doesn't matter if you're a beginner or Calamar cava, like it's not about necessarily be about getting stronger and hitting it further. This and that it's about is your body actually, prepared to swing a golf club the way you swing a golf club. so w you assessed the body and you figure out, okay, is, is this PR, is this body prepared to do so? And that's all we do. And then you just kind of control as many variables as you can. And we know exactly what those variables are for Collin, where. That needs improvement and we attack those and we don't worry too much about everything. Yes. It sounds, that's kind of

Mac 25:45

sounds so similar to, you know, how Rick described flooding, you know, in a lot of ways, you're just preparing him to have the best opportunity for success and just kind of teeing them up the best he can. And then he's got to go out and execute.

Rick 25:57

Correct. Correct. And again, I think the team at UGB so much, because, you know, it's been kind of very wild, a start of his career with him getting statused and winning, and then we have pandemic and stuff like that. And, and he sees. The importance of maintaining the body, just that maintenance level, right. With all the travel and him going to Dubai and back and like that. And I think it was a big, another wake up for him. It's like, Hey, I need my body to show up the same way every single day. And that's more maintenance. So what you've guys have done to help him with stuff he does at the hotel and the stuff he does exactly the same on the range. And every single warmup is, again, one more of those boxes you check to say, Hey, I'm ready to go. And then as he now finally gets to see you guys in person, cause it's been a wild schedule. He can then go great. I can't wait to get into this more. I can't wait to get this left hip a little bit more you know, flexible and open. Right. So he's going to take on those things and and again, I appreciate what you guys have done helping him along the way, and I'm really excited for, for the rest.

Mac 27:00

So what I'm told, sorry to interrupt there, but what I'm told is like, What what's next, you know, that's, I, I, we, we keep, you know, even for us, we, you know, with building the business where like to relocated and they're like, all right, Blake's like, what's you, what's next? Where are we going next? What's the big thing. So like unbelievable success for Collin, but. You know, I, I, I'm sure that the media is going to start saying, you know, Hey, like this guys, you know, there's not a faster start other than tiger woods, really. I mean, it's like, he is, he is now not like, Hey, does he have a place out there? Or is it just a one-time thing? It's like, now it's like, he's chasing history now. So like, how do you temper that reality and, and talk about that with him. And what are your guys' goals and plans? Are they shifting from success? Do you stick to the plan? What w what are we looking at here?

Rick 27:44

Yeah, no, it's a great question. I think we learned a lot, yeah. As a team, after the PGA. And I'm going to take a lot of the blame on this one. I was on cloud nine after the PGA, and I'm thinking, Oh my God, this is, this is awesome. And it was Austin and I am so proud of him. And it was the peak of my career as a coach yet, he said it in media, and I'm saying it to that. We got a little complacent with that. And it's like he achieved his goals. He wanted to win two times last year. He did Workday in that. Great. Yeah, but you got three more months left, you got a master's and he got some other stuff to look forward to. So again, he still works hard. Don't get you're wrong. I don't know if at the same intensity. And I think he said in media is that he he just thought you winning the pitch at that. Now we've just got to play good all the time and it just doesn't work that way. And so I think that rededicated him after the masters, we sat down and we talked and we talked about what we learned and we learned that, Hey. We were. So I think we were so excited about it. We didn't really prepare for the same intensity and have new goals for the end of the year. So we looked at that and then we looked for this next year. Now I'm not gonna share all of his goals, but he's, he's, he's getting there already. So but I know, you know, what's important for him is Ryder cup and the Olympics. So I think we look at, from performance standpoint is that every quarter we are now gonna look at goals. And so I'll see him at the players here in a couple of weeks. We'll certainly celebrate what he just did, get them ready for the players and be ready to win the players. But we look at performance goals like with putting a short game and we want to keep, tighten up all those things. And I get feedback from JJ and we, and we all kind of work together as we go forward. So it's it's exciting. But I think tempering, what other people think is. Has never been an issue for him. It's great to be in these mixes of these great conversations, but he knows he just wants to get better every single week.

Mac 29:29

And so the expectations, the expectation Rick is just to win every week. Then we're pretty much at this point.

Rick 29:35

It is, he wants to be the number one player in the world. I know he has mentioned that and I think it's more of not just to get to the number one player is you now sustain that. Right. And that requires you showing up every flip in week. And there's so many damn good players out there. So I think at his success at the PGA, and then just falling off a little bit in the fall was just a great reminder of how volatile this game could be.

Leo 29:56

That's awesome. I have one last question. If there's any competitive juniors or players out there that are listening does Collin play the course or does he. Compete against these competitors. Like what is his focus? Cause he's so nice in person, but I know how competitive he is. And he just like seven mile Steris. He wants to bury you on the course, like. Does he play against the players or the course?

Rick 30:21

Um, I, I think it's a little bit of both. I think you have to add certain stages. I think it becomes course first. Let's just say it's 80% course. I mean, he can only control his own gain and what his strategy is. Are he is. He embraces looking at leaderboards. He knows, he wants to know where he stands. He wants to know combinations so he can make better decisions. And, and you know, who knows yesterday? Let's say it was just him and Horschel coming down. The wired he's playing with Horschel right. I would think you're going to look at who you're playing against as, as a reference of how you're going to push yourself and stuff like that. And I think he likes, he likes to come competition so much that he feeds off some of that too. And he, he knows that I think even talking to him Saturday night and he knows going into Sunday that. There's a lot of good players that can get hot and you just have to keep moving forward. It's not about protecting the lead. That's never the thing it's moving forward. And that's what he does.

Mac 31:12

I love that. So, and it's so different of kind of how we grew up as junior golfers watching tiger in some way. Just kind of like this whole idea of being insulated out there. And I just love the way you're describing Colin and thinking about it. Like, they sound like they're playing football or basketball. Like there's like, they're, they're all together. Like all these players in the course, and there's all this action and he's in the action versus like, I'm just on my blinders going to get my job done, do my work and get it, you know, and get through 18 and finish this thing. And if I play my game, I know it'll take care of itself. It's sort of like he's feeding off of everything. That's happening around him. Which, you know, sounds like a lot of fun, actually.

Rick 31:48

Yeah. Yeah. And it's back to like the PGA where, you know, he admits he's on the 16th tee. He sees Paul Casey make birdie that's in front of him. Paul Casey is a one-shot lead. Now he's not going to, like, I'm not supposed to think about other people. It's like, Hey, I got some work to do. Somebody just jumped me. Let's go. Right. So I think he uses that as information. Again, he may not react to it in a way, but it's like, okay, Game time. You can't tell me that if you had a three shot lead with two to play, you're, you're probably gonna play different than if you're tied. Right? So he takes the information in to say, what's the best strategy for this moment, based on all these variables that are in front of him, he does a great job of that.

Leo 32:28

The course rating was one 55 and he shot 18 under par. I mean, it's like, there's, there's if anybody wonders how good they are and how good colonists. And there's a lot of levels under that of people that are trying to play on the Minotaurs. And it's just a mind-boggling to see someone go 18 under, on a course like that over four days, it's just unbelievable. As the chorus looks, looks scared to me,

Mac 32:56

and they said something like that, the field was like 105 million over. And then the, what you had quite a few guys, I mean, just that really Rose to the challenge and Collin separated himself, but. It was an awesome tournament. I mean, there was some great golf out there. Yeah,

Leo 33:08

definitely. Well, thank you so much, Rick. This is awesome and congrats to you. Incredible win and hopefully we'll do more of these. You bet.

Rick 33:17

So the plan for right after the players,

Leo 33:20

that'd be great. Yeah. All right. All right, guys.

Mac 33:23

Get back to work. It's Monday.

Leo 33:26

All right, Rick. Thank you so much, man. Thank you. Take care. Bye.