Pop Culture Guided Financial Planning for Retirement After a Divorce

Divorce can leave you holding a stack of statements and a knot in your stomach, wondering what you actually own, what it means, and whether retirement is still possible. We sit down with Jesse Hurst, a CPA and Chartered Financial Analyst, to talk through the real-world money decisions that hit right after a divorce and how to replace fear with a plan you can live with. Jesse’s twist is simple and surprisingly effective: use pop culture, music, and familiar stories to make complicated financial concepts stick, so you’re not just being “told” what to do, you understand it. 

We dig into why people often feel frozen after a major loss, and how to restart with small steps: take an inventory, clarify what matters most to you, and map out the levers that actually drive outcomes. That includes cash flow planning after spousal support ends, deciding when to claim Social Security, and turning a collection of accounts like a 401(k), IRA, brokerage account, CDs, and home equity into a coordinated retirement strategy with an age-appropriate risk profile. 

We also get concrete about taxes and planning traps. Jesse explains why divorce can come with cost basis headaches that don’t exist after a spouse’s death, and why filing status changes can feel like a penalty when someone becomes a widow or widower. If real estate is part of the picture, we talk about rental property cash flow, concentration risk, and when selling a non-producing property can improve liquidity and diversification. 

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Transcript

Welcome And Guest Introduction

Intro/Outro 0:01

Welcome to Modern Family Matters, a podcast devoted to exploring family law topics that matter most to you, covering a wide range of legal, personal, and family law matters with expert analysis from skilled attorneys and professional guests. We hope that our podcast provides answers, clarity, and guidance towards a better tomorrow for you and your family. Here's your host, Steve Altishin.

Steve Altishin 0:32

Hi everyone, I'm Steve Altishin, Director of Client Partnerships for Pacific Cascade Legal, and today we have CPA and certified financial analyst Jesse Hurst to talk about financial planning for your retirement following a divorce and how using popular music, film, cultural moments can translate confusing financial concepts into understandable and usable plans. So before we start, Jesse, how are you doing today?

Jesse Hurst 1:01

I'm doing great. I'm happy to be here.

Pop Culture That Makes Money Click

Steve Altishin 1:07

So before we get into kind of the specific financial issues, you talk about a book you've written and how you've how you've used popular music, film, pop icons to address really hard financial issues and making them more understandable with your clients. Can you talk a little bit about that?

Jesse Hurst 1:30

Yeah. So I found years ago, I love pop culture stuff, primarily classic rock music. I've I've like rock music from probably its earliest days in the 50s all the way through probably the 90s is probably where I know it the best. But movies, uh TV shows. I have an oldest son that was a touring Broadway actor, so I know Broadway shows pretty well. And I found that whenever I used a pop culture reference or frame for a topic that I was writing about or sharing with clients, it always resonated with them more. It made it more fun. It took something that was dry numbers based and made it more fun, made it more memorable. And I'll give you a great example. I had a client last year who I wrote a blog post last August. Last year, 2025, was one of the first years that international stocks had outperformed US stocks by a wide margin in a dozen, 15 years. So I wrote a blog post using the Led Zeppelin song Rock and Roll. It's been a long time, been a long, lonely, lonely time to frame international stocks outperforming US stocks. The next week I had a 73-year-old retired elementary school teacher that's been a client of mine for 25 years come into my office and she said, I sang Led Zeppelin songs around my house all last week because of your blog post. And I was like, perfect, man. If a blog post that used a Led Zeppelin song made a 73-year-old retired teacher remember a financial topic, then that's what I'm happy with, right?

Steve Altishin 3:05

Yep, I love that. I mean, I'm I'm a big Dylan guy and Springsteen guy, and I swear they have more good things to say, important things to say in those songs than you can take a stick at.

Jesse Hurst 3:18

Yep. And I actually uh my wife and I just had, if you're a Springsteen fan, I'll keep this brief. But my wife and I just had our very first grandchild, and his name is Sonny James. So I wrote a blog post. If you remember from the the album The Rising, Bruce Springsteen did a song called Waiting on a Sunny Day. So I had a blog post called Waiting on a Sunny James Day, and it was us waiting for the arrival of our first grandchild. I love it. Oh my god.

Steve Altishin 3:46

So it's really difficult, I know, for people who are in a divorce or just following a divorce to make decisions.

The Post-Divorce Fear Freeze

Steve Altishin 4:00

They become sort of petrified almost to do anything. They've just gotten through this terrible thing going on. It's like they're waking up to a very different, very disconcerting economic situation that they had. And you know, you inspired me. And so I was thinking about that, and I went kind of like crashing down in Oz. Although she did get the house. So how do you get them back on the feet even to have confidence to do anything?

Jesse Hurst 4:34

Yeah, so it's it's interesting because I find that people who go through a divorce or people who were recently widowed, widow widower, have similar mindsets, right? They've gone through an amazing huge loss. And we frame it a lot of times. We think about the financial side of things, but you think about it, you go, there's an emotional, there's a family, there's a psychological, there's a spiritual connection sometimes that that disappears. And so a lot of times people are kind of rudderless in that situation. They just aren't sure where to go, what to do. And I was having a conversation earlier today with client that was referred to us in December. We had our first meeting. She's in her mid-50s, about five years ago. She went through a divorce. She's got four years of spousal support left, and she's realizing she better figure out if she's going to be okay when this is done. Her husband had handled all of their financials. So literally, her half of their investment accounts that she got literally haven't been touched. She got her half. Nobody's looked at, touched, managed, looked at allocation, risk profile, um, whether it's age and risk profile appropriate and so forth. And she was really just afraid. Like she's afraid there was there was like an inertia that was there because she didn't want to make a wrong decision. And um, so I think a lot of it's just taking some small steps, getting some small wins, and helping people feel confident that, hey, let's again start with financial planning. Let's look at where you are, let's look at where you want to go. Do we have the resources to get there? If not, what levers do we need to pull in terms of how much income you need to make, how long you need to work, when you need to claim Social Security, all of those types of issues that will allow us to be successful. And then a lot of it really just comes down to financial education and speaking, and this is where I think some of the pop culture references come in handy because I can sit and talk about alpha and beta and standard correlation, you know, standard deviation and correlation coefficients all day long, and it's not going to mean anything to somebody, right? And I'll never forget this. In 1992, I was referred to a guy who was senior vice president of federal and regulatory affairs for All Telephone Company. And his wife came to the first couple of meetings. And at the end of the second meeting, she said, she looked at me, she goes, you know, he dragged me to this, these meetings. I didn't want to come because I've been to meetings like this in the past, and people talked over my head, and I never understood any of it, and I didn't want to come. She goes, I want to say thank you because you're the first person that's ever explained things to me in a way I understand. And I think part of that comes from, first of all, I love teaching people and I love that part. But my mom was a school teacher. Four of my aunts were school teachers, so I grew up around that environment. So I've always felt if you can help educate people, then they can partner with you to make the decisions they're that they feel most comfortable with and they can sleep best at night with, instead of trying to talk over them and intimidate them or scare them into making decisions. I think that's a really bad method, but it's what a lot of people

Teaching Finance Without Intimidation

Jesse Hurst 8:10

do.

Steve Altishin 8:10

Yeah. In divorce, that kind of gets really complicated because they're having to make decisions on what to take out of it. A house, like you said, there's a 401k, maybe there's IRAs, there's Russ, there's all these different things. And just sort of a lot of times we're looking going, well, who do I talk to? Just say, well, if I load up on just this, is that bad? Or it's like a puzzle. They got to put together a puzzle.

Jesse Hurst 8:38

Well, I'm glad you said that because, right, if you look at the cover of my book, it's all the puzzle pieces that are there. I actually wrote the book, Poponomics, right, which is using pop culture references to frame economic and retirement. The name of the book is Popanomics, 12 Relatable and Not Boring, Pop Culture Insights for Retirement Success. And the 12 chapters are literally put together as the 12 puzzle pieces you need to put together to create your own unique retirement success.

Steve Altishin 9:08

And they haven't laughed for a while. And they're in divorce, everything's been serious. Oh, yeah. Getting some like relief from that it sounds like a great book to just sort of like, okay, I'm gonna now start to breathe. This guy's, you know, he gets kind of funny, it's kind of, but I understand it makes me kind of feel like I can start to do something again.

Jesse Hurst 9:32

Yeah, well, I like humor. I find humor in a lot of things in life. I tell people all the time that you don't have to make things up, you just have to pay attention to what goes on in real life. And sometimes I hit the mark, sometimes I don't. Like, I'll I'll own that. But like I had a guy who was 78 years old who had group term life insurance from his previous employer that when he turned the next age, he was 79, he was getting ready to turn 80. And when he turned 80, the premium was gonna jump up to the next age band. And he was asking me about how much life insurance he needed and and should he keep the policy. And he and he leaned forward and he turned to me, he goes, Tell me, Jesse, if I die, what kind of expenses will there be? And it just hit me as funny because he said, if, right? If I die, and I kind of went, huh? And I leaned forward and I looked at him and I went, that is the most optimistic thing I have ever heard in my entire life. Right. I think we better reframe this. I thought it was way funnier than he did, but sometimes you just kind of try to use some humor and some levity and some stories to help people understand these concepts, right? It really helps relieve the tension and it puts us in a place where we can just have a conversation.

Steve Altishin 10:41

Yeah. And kind of stuff you talk about, which is also not just like you said, okay, this will invest at this rate, this will do this, and so this, and not focusing so much on the things. I mean, uh people come out of divorce thinking they can't do anything anymore. Well, I can't go on vacation, I can't do this, I can't do that. And then someone just talks to them about all these numbers, and it's like, what does that have to do with like I mean, how does that help me restart my life?

Jesse Hurst 11:12

Yeah, I think part of it is helping people realize that money is a means, it's not an end. It's really just how are we going to use these income resources and asset resources to help you do the things that make life fun and meaningful for you? And if you frame conversations that way, it's not about, hey, who has the greatest asset allocation strategy that's going to give us the highest risk-adjusted compound rate of return? Compound rate of return is not a goal. It might be an outcome of your process, but hey, I want to be debt-free in retirement and I want to have $25,000 a year so that I can travel and do things I want to do and create shared memories and shared experiences with my kids and grandkids. That's a purpose of money. And if you can help people start to see their financial

Turning Divorce Assets Into A Plan

Jesse Hurst 12:10

resources that way, it makes it much more relatable to them.

Steve Altishin 12:14

Yeah. It's kind of like anyone as they get close to divorce or divorce, to retirement age, they get almost more anxious. And it's like I'm trying to save money, and then I get to retirement age, and what do I do? I mean, this is a whole new thing. And I and do I spend, do I save, do I do a little bulletining? How do what the heck happens in retirement?

Jesse Hurst 12:48

Well, it's funny. I I did write a blog post a couple of years ago called Should I Save or Should I Spend Now? based on the clash song, Should I Stay or Should I Go? And it's hard for people to flip the switch because they they spend all these years saving and accumulating for the future, and those habits get ingrained, and then they're afraid to flip the switch and go the other way. And one of my really good friends, who was an uh his name was John Rasnitt. He was an estate planning attorney here in Northeast Ohio. He and I, he was a super close friend, super close confidant. He probably did estate documents for close to a hundred of our client families over the years. And John always used to say that in the whole history of mankind, we've only figured out three things you can ever do with money, right? You can save it, you can spend it, or you can give it away. And if you don't give it away while you're living, you'll give it away when you die because you can't take it with you. So one of the big light bulb moments for clients who have built enough in the way of income and asset resources that they can successfully transition from work life to retirement life is helping them understand that if it's you can save it, you can spend it, or you can give it away. If you've gotten to the point you can retire successfully, we don't need to save anymore. That only leaves spend it or give it away, right? That's all that you can do. And so, how can we do that in a conservative and responsible manner so that you feel comfortable and can sleep at night, but can also be confident spending up to a certain level each year?

Steve Altishin 14:24

Yeah. Have you ever had a client come in and kind of just drop their portfolio on you and say, just got out of a divorce, and or my spouse just died, and this is what I got. And I don't even know what any of it means. And should I get rid of it? Should I change?

Jesse Hurst 14:42

I mean, yeah, and it does happen, right? And a lot of times, especially if the spouse, the one they either are divorced from or the one that just passed away, was the one that was the primary that oversaw. And you see most families, one spouse or the other takes the lead on financials, and it's not always the male. As a matter of fact, with younger families coming up, we see more as men at least as much in the way of financial leadership as we do with male financial leadership. Some of the older, more traditional clients, it's it's more the other way around. But a lot of times they come in and they go, okay, there were these four, five, six accounts. We each had an IRA, we had bank savings accounts, we had CDs, we had this joint investment account. And I have no idea what's in any of it. It's not necessarily a cohesive, coordinated portfolio. It's just a collection of investments that they have no idea what the asset allocation, what the risk profile is, what kind of income can it generate, or is it age cash flow tax appropriate for them? And so then it's really just a matter of understanding where they're at, doing the analysis, and then showing them, hey, here's what you're trying to accomplish, here's how this collection of investments is allocated. And then the big issue that's that's really different

Money As A Tool For Living

Jesse Hurst 16:10

between a divorce situation versus a widow widower where you where you lost a spouse, if you got half of the investment accounts when you divorced, you still have the original cost basis in those investments. Where if somebody passed away and assets stepped up to date of death valuation, there's significantly different tax planning issues that need to be taken into account in those scenarios.

Steve Altishin 16:38

Yeah, I imagine there's that issue as well, just sort of depending on the account.

Jesse Hurst 16:43

Uh well, I'll tell you, one of the weird things that happens a lot of times with the widow widower, I'll never forget this, it was about I have a client who literally just turned 95 a couple of weeks ago. She's sharp as a tack, still lives independently, uh, and so forth. And when her husband passed about 10 years ago, I had told her, I'm like, Jeannie, you know, this year you'll still file a joint tax return because your husband passed in May, but next year you'll file as a single person. And when you file as a single person, you get half the standard deduction, the tax brackets are cut in half and so forth. And she completely forgot about that. So the following year, she's at her CPA. She called me from her CPA's office, and he told her he owed she owed this much more in the way of income tax. And she's like, I don't think he's looking at this right, and so forth. Can you talk with him? And I said, Jeannie, remember, I told you you're filing as a widow, you're filing a single tax or solo, solo tax return, and the standard deduction is less and the and the tax brackets are less. And she she got hot at me. Like she was like, she's like, I'm not single, my husband died, and now you're telling me the government's penalizing me for my husband dying, right? That's the mindset, right? But it's the reality of the way the tax law works, and you have to work within those constraints.

Steve Altishin 18:08

Yeah, and I imagine that people coming off of that with grief, grieve after a divorce, a lot of times they're just not in the right mindset to take in this information.

Jesse Hurst 18:20

Yeah, and we do detailed notes after every client meeting and we send them summaries of what we talked about and why and what the next steps are and all of that. But in the moment, they might not remember that the summary is sitting in with all of their financial stuff and to go back to. And so it's a process of moving them along through the new normal of what's come, whether it's post-divorce or post-espouse passing away. And I will tell you, I've got several clients where their spouse was the primary person who handled their financials. And I was really nervous for the surviving spouse as to whether or not they were going to be able to kind of step up and be confident in what they were doing. And I think with our help and counseling, they've just kind of surprised me. I've had some people step up and really do amazing jobs when they weren't the one that for 40 years or 45 or 50 years of being married that weren't the ones that did it. But once they had the opportunity, they stepped up and they were really able to do a great job with it as long as they had good tax, legal, and financial advice. And so we're one of the legs of those stools to help them. But it is always a transition process. It's not a moment, it's not like your spouse passed or you the divorce happened

Save Spend Or Give It Away

Jesse Hurst 19:40

today and tomorrow I got it. It takes some time to get used to what that new normal of life is.

Steve Altishin 19:46

So, can some people in that circumstance come to you and I'm gonna say learn about financial issues, but also just kind of the easy thing. How do I actually do this? It's I haven't done this before. I gotta sell my house. I have a four-woo kid, what do I do? Can I do with that now? My IRA, should I make it around? I mean, what a lot of people think is, oh, I can do that myself, but can they come to you for sort of advice on that day-to-day or daily kind of stuff?

Jesse Hurst 20:18

Yeah, generally when we start with a client, we're starting with the financial planning process, kind of where are you, what are your goals, what are resources, and so forth, and then trying to map out a plan for them. And once we do that, and there's all kinds of education that happens in that process. As you talk with them about what their goals and objectives are, and you're trying to help them kind of cast a vision for what the future looks like, given the new reality of where they are. Then once they become wealth management clients and we're managing their investments and so forth, not only do we send out two blog posts a week just to kind of keep them in the loop with our financial thought processes on different things and our outlook on the economy, markets, and whatever, even things that we try to educate them about. A lot of people are scared to death about AI and what it means and so forth, right? Like I wrote a blog post here recently just about AI, and a lot of people are hearing stuff about the data centers that are being built and how much electric they're going to consume off the electric grid. I used an old Star Trek episode where Kirk's yelling at Scotty, like, hey, give it more power, give it more power. And Scotty's like, I'm giving her all the power and I got Copton, right? And it's like, are we giving AI all the power and how are we going to do it? But we just try to keep that educational focus with our clients and we tell them, right? Like we work with a smaller number of clients because we want to know and be first name basis relational with them. If I ran, I work with about, I manage about $400 million of investment monies for about 120 client families. But if I because it's 120 and not 500 client families, if I ran into any one of them at a restaurant or a grocery store, I could sit and talk with them for 30 minutes about their kids, grandkids, their dog, you know, where they vacation, because you know those clients. So they feel comfortable reaching out to you and asking those questions.

Steve Altishin 22:18

So wow, that just made me think of a question. Have you had clients? You've had clients for years, families. What would you say to them if one of them called you up and said, We're getting divorced? Can we talk with you anymore? Afraid to come to you again?

Jesse Hurst 22:38

It's interesting. So in 38 years of doing this now, I've probably had 15 times, somewhere between a dozen and 15 times, where clients have gone through a divorce, right? And usually the phone conversation goes something like this. You know, they they call and say, This is John. Hey, I know you've worked with us for years, and we really appreciate all the help you've given us. But unfortunately, Sarah and I are divorcing and you we've decided to divorce, and I'm gonna need somebody to help give me financial guidance and wisdom through this. I'd love to have your help in this process. Usually within 24 hours, it's Sarah, this is Sarah, right? You've worked with John and I four years, and I'm gonna need somebody, will you be my guy? And usually in that situation, usually you end up picking one or the other to work with. And usually it's based on who you have the closest relationship with or who you think will value and take your advice and guidance through the process. I'm I'm very happy to say that I actually have four of those couples where 10, 12, 15 years after the divorce,

Taxes After Divorce And After Death

Jesse Hurst 23:50

both the ex-husband and ex-wife are still clients of mine. I work with both of them through that process. It doesn't happen always, but it has happened maybe a third of the time, quarter of the time, and so forth. And that's it's really interesting, and you have to walk a really fine line there because there's confidentiality issues, and you don't want to disclose something to somebody that's not appropriate, and so forth. But it's funny because, like in the one situation, it was a husband and wife that were both physicians, and when they divorced, their kids were like 15 and 12. So then you're trying to coordinate with both of them that are still clients of yours on things like what do you do to help the kids through their college, who's going to contribute what and what's coming from the ex-wife and what's coming from the ex-husband. And you know, it's you gotta walk a pretty fine line, but I think we've done it pretty successfully a few times, more than a few times.

Steve Altishin 24:44

And I think it I my brain goes to, I bet you they're both relieved they were able to keep you because at some point they're they're totally separate, and they still talk about their kids and they what they want to do separately, but their troublesome thing is how do I get from here till that? When will I be able to kind of not worry about it? And you you can kind of make them, I can just tell by you, you can make them comfortable. This too shall pass.

Jesse Hurst 25:22

Yes, which was the uh I think it was All Things Must Pass was the uh George Harrison album that was released right after the Beatles broke up, right? And uh All Things Must Pass. But it does, and it it's like it's kind of like when you have on the flip side, I've had couples where they've each been divorced previously and then get married. And once they're married and have been clients of ours for 10, 12, 15 years, when they started off, it was kind of like his and hers, and you know, my kids and and your kids and so forth. And it's funny to watch the reverse of that happen when 10, 12, 15 years in, we started with what was his and what was hers, but then it's kind of like what have we accumulated together? And it kind of went from yours, mine, and ours, right, to to the to the um it kind of went from the his and hers to the ours. And sometimes I've even seen people, you know, that far in rip up a prenup or you estate documents and so forth because what was your kids, I now have really strong relationships with, and I feel like they're my kids. And having good, good financial counsel to give people confidence, but also have really good legal counsel and accounting help so that you can make good decisions with confidence works really well in those situations.

Steve Altishin 26:52

We're getting close to the end, but I kind of want to ask if I were to come in to you and say, you know, I just got divorced, I don't know what to do, what do you advise? What would you say? How would you start that process?

Jesse Hurst 27:05

I would start by getting a really good inventory of where they are today, what are the resources they have, getting a sense of where they're what they're what's most important to them about life and family, and then from a career standpoint, if they were, assuming both spouses were working, their career goals or aspirations. The one that I was talking with this morning, who went through a divorce about five years ago, she's a realtor, but her husband was the primary breadwinner. And one of the things she said she had nine years of spousal support to a tune of about 9,000 a month, but she's got four years left, and she knows she's now getting to the point where she's like, okay, when this is gone, do the other resources I have, will they allow me to do what I want to do? So, in that situation, she has a number of rental properties, plus the investment accounts that she inherited, that she doesn't really know what's there, how it's how it's set up. So it's really just helping them starting to say, okay,

Ongoing Support And Client Relationships

Jesse Hurst 28:10

here's the allocation of the IRA and the non-IRA accounts. Here's the cash flow, here's the tax positioning of those, here's the asset allocation and risk profile. Let's look at these rental prices. This particular person has eight or nine rental properties, two or three of which aren't cash flowing at all. They're relatively new purchases, and they're not, they're not cash flowing and they're costing her a fortune in renovations and upkeep and all that stuff. And it's kind of like, okay, you've got, throw out a number. Let's say you got $600,000 of capital tied up in these three properties that aren't giving you any cash flow. When you retired, you need cash flow, right? Like, like if we took that $600,000 and invested, hey, you've got these other six properties that are doing great for you that are that cash flowing and will provide you income in retirement. Maybe, maybe it makes sense instead of having so many eggs in one basket in the real estate side, maybe it makes sense to cut bait on a couple of these non-producing properties and get those assets diversified and allocated to things that are liquid, right? So it's really just kind of working through that process and getting to know who the person is, right? Because there's, I always use the analogy, right? Like a financial plan's like a custom-made suit. Doesn't need to fit anybody else, it just needs to fit the person across the table. And that's why I think the other piece, and I'll finish with this, right? Talked about the book being the 12 puzzle pieces and stuff. And I I talk in the early in the intro to the book, like, think back to when you were doing a puzzle with your kids or grandkids for the first time. What's the first thing you do? And when I ask people that question, they usually say things like, Well, you got to turn over all the pieces so you can see the pictures on them, or you got to find all the edge pieces, or you got to find the four corner pieces. And I'm like, okay, that's great. But I think the most important thing is you got to look at the box because you got to know what you're trying to solve for. Because if you don't know what the picture is, you got no idea what we're trying to solve for. And it's the same thing with successful financial planning, retirement planning, post-divorce planning, whatever it is, is we've got to be able to cast that vision for what the picture on their financial success box looks like. So you can start putting together the pieces the right way.

Steve Altishin 30:33

That's a great, that is such a great piece of advice because that's what people end up not doing after a divorce a lot, is they don't look to what is the picture just because they're so you know in the minutiae. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Wow. Unfortunately, we're out of time, but thank you so much, Jesse, for being here today.

Jesse Hurst 30:55

Yeah, it was a lot of fun. Went fast, but uh hope we covered some good territory.

Steve Altishin 31:00

Oh, we covered great stuff. We just covered great stuff, and and I know what I like about this is that is that you encourage both uh parties and if you have a family to be involved, and that makes it so much easier whether they use you or not, if they happen to get divorced, or when someone dies. They're not just, oh, I don't know anything. So that's a great way to do it, I think.

Jesse Hurst 31:24

Yeah.

Steve Altishin 31:24

So thank you. Before we go again, can you tell people how to get a hold of you in case they want to talk to you?

Jesse Hurst 31:30

Yeah, so Jesse Hearst, H-U-R-S-T. My book is Poponomics. You'll you can find it on Amazon. You can find Jesse Hurst,

Start With Inventory And Vision

Jesse Hurst 31:40

author out there on Facebook, Instagram, and my uh wealth management firm, Impel, I M-P-E-L, Impel Wealth Management. You can Google us, find us, we're pretty visible out there. And uh Impel means to impart motion towards a future goal or future destination or to give somebody the confidence to move forward, which is why our tagline is moving life forward. So that's what we try to do for people. I love it.

Steve Altishin 32:05

So thank you. And yeah, it was great. And everyone else, again, thank you for joining us today. If anyone has any further questions on today's topic, you can post it here and you can also connect with Jesse by yourself. But if you do post it here, we'll make sure you get a hold of him. And until next time, everyone, stay safe, stay happy, and be well.

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How To Connect And Closing

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