Behind the Golf Brand Podcast with Paul Liberatore
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Behind the Golf Brand Podcast with Paul Liberatore
#131 - Puttr: Matt Allard
PUTTR is an AI-powered putting mat that's changing how we practice golf and making it more fun. While putting makes up 42% of your golf shots, most people find practice boring and lonely - that's exactly where PUTTR comes in, turning your practice into a game and connecting you with players worldwide.
This mat's loaded with features to make practice better. You'll find 27 different tee spots from 3 to 11 feet, so you can switch up your routine. The AI technology tracks your performance and gives you real-time feedback and stats to help improve your game.
What makes PUTTR really special is its games and challenges. It's got over 20 different ways to play, including fun modes like "On Fire," "The Lab," and "Beer Pong." You can practice on your own, challenge your friends, or compete with others online.
Whether you're just playing for fun or taking your golf seriously, PUTTR works as both a training tool and gaming system. It's super easy to move and store - just roll up the ball return, power cord, and carpet into a compact box.
PGA pros and teaching experts love how PUTTR adds real pressure and competition to practice. It's perfect for young golfers too, making it ideal for coaches and a fun way for kids to get into the game.
Bottom line? PUTTR's making putting practice more fun, easier, and more effective - it'll probably change how you think about practicing your putting game.
what's up guys? Welcome to the behind the golf brand podcast. We are back after a little hiatus and welcome to season five. It's a whole new year of a lot more brands, a lot of old brands. We've talked to before a lot of friends and I'm really excited to have my friend matthew allard from putter. If you guys don't know what putter is, it's probably the coolest putting training aid. I don't even know how to describe what it is. It's like it's like a piece of art for practicing putting, but it's ai powered. I don't even know. It's hard to explain, but it's super cool. I reviewed it last year and I'm really having excited to have him on the show. So welcome to the show. Thanks so much for having me. I appreciate it. So where are you located? Right now I'm in London.
Speaker 2:England. Is that where you're from? Yeah, you can tell by my accent. I'm from the north part. I'm actually from New England.
Speaker 2:Hey, really, I'm from New Hampshire Are you from New Hampshire, that's cool, which, now that I've lived in the UK for like a little over a year, I realized how unoriginal the founding fathers were, with all the naming. But yeah, so, from New Hampshire, grew up playing a lot of indoor golf on like cutout carpet because it was freezing, and so moved to London, the birthplace UK, the birthplace of golf baby. So it's good to be here. What made you move to London, the birthplace UK, the birthplace of golf baby, so it's good to be here.
Speaker 1:What made you move to London?
Speaker 2:We, you know, my wife is an interior designer and I can basically work anywhere with a laptop, and we're living in LA. I lived in LA for the last 15 years, so we wanted to do something different and we decided on London. I used to come here for work on my last startup and, um, just love, love the city and love the access to europe. So we decided to to try it for a few years and see how it goes so did.
Speaker 1:You grew up in new hampshire, right, and then, like, did you go to college out in the east coast or were to go to college? I did, yeah, east.
Speaker 2:Coast, or where did you go to college? I did, yeah, I went to GW George Washington in DC. Oh shit, someone's smart.
Speaker 1:They have a good law school. I know that they do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're a good law school and good medical school too.
Speaker 1:So what did you study there? Computer science. I'm like you have BCS or something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, computer science. I was an engineer and actually I also played on the golf team. Oh really, so you're good.
Speaker 1:I mean, did you get a full ride? I didn't get a full ride.
Speaker 2:I did get some aid, though, which was nice, but I quit after a year. I quit after a year.
Speaker 1:Why did you quit? Because you were drinking and they were like yo bro, you're off the team. I mean maybe. I don't have a lot of scholarships that lost in the freshman year. That's why.
Speaker 2:Well, I think there comes a time in a person's life where you have to be honest with yourself, and I think that up until going to GW, I actually interviewed at some legit like Arizona State and U of.
Speaker 1:A Party school USA. It was like the number one party school ever.
Speaker 2:But also, like the golf team, you're walking around there.
Speaker 1:That's legit.
Speaker 2:That's like the number one. Yeah, they were there. It's like oh, here's pictures of Phil Mickelson. They even did facility too, which is super sick. It's unbelievable. But doing, you know, but doing that, I realized that I was nowhere near good enough to play on that team, and so GW was D1, but it was like pretty low level.
Speaker 1:But you get to play but you're not. Yeah, I've had a lot of guys on the show that have said that, like a lot of professionals, even like famous instructors, they're like I just realized that I cannot play it. I'm not that. Yeah, I'm good, but I'm not that good. Right, right and exactly.
Speaker 2:And so once you have that realization, you're like maybe I should focus on engineering. And you know, because the golf, even though it's low level d1, the time commitment is nuts and like gw, is right in the middle of dc, so like just getting to the course is an hour each way. So you add that to like practice every day, gym, study hall and yeah, like on Thursday nights when all my friends are like going out to the bar and I'm like driving to Rehoboth Beach to go play in a golf tournament, you're kind of like why am I doing this? Like, if I'm not going to go pro, what am I doing? So you know, obviously we have a full ride, that's the reason. But other doing, um, so you know, obviously if you have a full ride, that's the reason. But uh, other than that I didn't. So I just said you know what, I'm gonna focus on school and play for fun. And then I walked back on senior year as a walk-on oh wow, I tried out and made it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I got some good free golf my senior year um, who started you into golf, like your dad, your grandpa, your grandma, or what?
Speaker 2:yeah, my, my dad, my dad. I was always played, I always played baseball, and then my dad did you really so? Yeah let me guess you're probably a pitcher second baseman yeah yeah yeah and um, you know, loved it and. But I always grew up like around the golf course, but more, just like you know, I'd caddy and stuff um as a job during the summer, uh. And then when I was like 15 I was on three baseball teams.
Speaker 1:I was like I got burnt out and I just kind of gravitated to golf um were you over playing like do you feel like, or did you get injured or anything, or just was like completely just burned out, because you're like burned out yeah I mean, it's just, like you're just go. I mean, it happens dude, like especially now, even worse.
Speaker 2:Now I'd say yeah when you're like 13, to go to like six hours of practice every day, like with three different coaches. You know it's, it's a lot. And like golf was so the opposite of that right, Like I could just go play and be out on the course with like a friend or a couple friends.
Speaker 1:Yeah, have fun and not like, think it's like screaming at you. Nobody's screaming at you, you're not doing the same thing. You're not doing the same thing. You're not doing the same thing.
Speaker 2:You're not doing totally different thing and I just and I loved it. I mean I always love being on the golf course so it just kind of just gravitated towards it and then just kind of took that on full time and quit baseball.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like my younger son plays baseball, my older son doesn't, but like he wants to play baseball like MLB it's his dream, and I'm doesn't. But like he wants to play based on like mlb, that's his dream and I'm like all right, dude, like I will support you, but like I'm not gonna push you right. Like so right, if you want to go to the gym with me at 5 30 in the morning right now, you should call me at 5 30 in the morning before school dude, he's been doing it I was like holy crap, he's 12.
Speaker 1:I was like mad props, dude, like you're telling me, like even after a month of he's been doing for a month straight, I was like that's awesome, like I would never have done that. I mean, yeah, we got devoted yeah, I mean that's great.
Speaker 2:I mean if you can keep it, just make it fun.
Speaker 1:I mean if you make it fun for them parents, dude, they're like some real psycho parents in baseball. You know that like oh my god psychos.
Speaker 2:I still remember names. It's like traumatizing. I remember the name, I won't say it. Uh, yeah, he used to like come out on the field arguing with the ump, who's like a volunteer dad kid, yeah I do.
Speaker 1:I've seen in the last year I've seen two parents the same family, husband and wife like getting a fight with the umpire after the game, like it was a tournament but it didn't even matter. It was like a crappy ass, like it was like we couldn't get the good tournament, so we got this like reject tournament and like they were that pissed I was like. And then the coach finally said something to like in in uh, the group chat or whatever he's. Like you know, like everyone's watching you. Your kid's gonna have a reputation, dude. Like you're gonna be known as the weird parents. So chill.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it doesn't really. I mean it doesn't matter. Even if it's a Little League World Series, like, it's still not that important that you need to like do that. It's like it's kids, you know, let them have fun. Yeah seriously.
Speaker 1:So then you played in high school. Did you play golf then too, or?
Speaker 2:not really. Yeah, I played high school.
Speaker 1:I actually started the team in my high school because they didn't have one um, and then, uh, yeah, played at gw and then, you know, um graduated and then and graduated or what.
Speaker 2:After that, work for a living? Yeah, a couple like shortly after graduating, um, I was pretty over dc and then um moved to la for a job and then doing what I was actually working in the hospitality space, um, doing like or the cw computer guy yeah, like doing like websites and like back of house crm systems for a big hospitality company in la um, but then I actually quit that after you made the cubicle of your dreams.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um, I actually worked for a pretty cool company and we were on um completely unrelated to this podcast no, it's fine, I mean the dude's all golf this was, like you know, I'm an east coaster, so I'm like pretty like I get to meetings like five minutes before and, like you know, I'm pretty like come with notes and come prepared and I moved to la and it's like the opposite of that. Like everyone's 30 minutes late to everything and you know, um, there was always this joke like if you show up late to a meeting with a coffee, you know, it's like um, so, but they were, they were shooting like the hills spinoff.
Speaker 2:I'm really that maybe it was the hills, which was a spinoff of something else, but I remember it was I went for a meeting and, like heidi it's heidi montag was at the desk and I had like a conversation with her. That was very surreal. And then I talked to my friend. He was like dude, that's not even his assistant. This is like a show they're shooting and they're gonna ask you to sign a waiver. And I was like what?
Speaker 1:and I'm like this is in the office, oh uh, because, um, oh, my god, it's so random, so anyway, so la was, um was interesting, and then this is in the office, oh, cause.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, that's so random. So, anyway, so LA was was interesting, and then, and then I started a company that was in hospitality and we did the world's first iPhone hotel in Malibu beach in in 2008. And what was that? It was basically it's like a mobile app company for hotels and casinos, so like if you've used an app at a virgin hotel or at a, I mean, you know like any hotel app, even like ones where you open the doors now and stuff yeah, that's what it was.
Speaker 2:We did, like the virgin hotels that you could. You could scan the door, you could order room service from your phone, you know. But again now that's kind of like expected where in 2008 it was like the first one cutting edge. Yeah, um, well, actually to date it, we were actually handing out ipod touches because that was like still blackberry days. Oh yeah, I remember that I had a blackberry. Oh, me too, I had the one. Like awesome.
Speaker 1:I wish they still had that. Do we get small? You type really fast the typing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I still don't love the typing on an iphone like the. The real keys was something.
Speaker 1:I'm surprised it wasn't coming on retro phone like that. I feel like they've made cases.
Speaker 2:Remember the bold that had the leather back. It was a little briefcase. It felt so official. It was just a badass.
Speaker 1:In 2000, I went with my dad to go to court on something. He had a Palm Pilot dude. It was like real janky. He was a palm pilot and I remember I was walking around thought I was all hot with this.
Speaker 1:Like, look at me, I got a palm pilot and I was like I think it was the biggest piece of shit, like it didn't even work. You know, yeah, I mean, it was so cool, it was novel. Yeah, it was novel, that's a better way of saying it. Yeah, it was like you're watching TV now and you see old phones. You're like, oh, I remember that I had that phone. I had that phone.
Speaker 2:Like yeah, there's, there's um, there's actually an exhibit on them now in London about like all the history and there's like crazy, I remember all those I'm only using a video game.
Speaker 1:Sure film, they first like came out, you actually get a video game for it, and it was like brick breaker.
Speaker 2:Brick breaker was the other one I had, I think I had a like knockoff centipede game or something there was a color one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the snake one what it was called yourself yeah, yeah, good times, and then like maybe to pay for like rings and stuff, and you thought you're hot because you had, like you know, come hot stepper or something I don't know like as your ringtone.
Speaker 2:I think it was like well, there's a story about like chameleon air on um, they see me rolling. I think is the song which, like, he kept all the rights to the ringtone, which back then, like no, none of the execs even understood what that was. So they were like fine to the ringtone. Which back then, like no, none of the execs even understood what that was. So they were like, fine, keep the ringtone and we're going to sell your CDs. And and I think he made like 12 million on the ringtone, like the first year it was like the most popular ringtone. It was like the and it was like remember the MIDI? Like Dan, dan, dan there, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:But he made like he made like a big chunk of money, um, on the ringtone, which is a funny idea to even say now, like if you explain that to a 12 year old now they'd be like what's a midi yeah, and like what's a ringtone, like I mean they already have them all like loaded stock, you know I like somewhere here I have like my original ipod, like the big one, the brick one, I bet I don't think it turns on, but they'll really fix those now. Like you, take them back to apple store, they'll fix it for you I don't know, I don't know why.
Speaker 1:I mean, now it's like it's like a big one. You turn the wheels, the wheel, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry, we're digressing a lot and nerd talk, um. So then you did their first app and then what happened? Did you sell that company or to bust stole?
Speaker 2:that company?
Speaker 1:yeah, that company got acquired in in 21, 20, 2021 well, that was like your main gig for the last, like while right, I mean when did you graduate? College. What's that? Well, you're graduate college, like 2008. 7 0, 4. Oh yeah, I'm trying to go back to the hills. I'm like when was that tv show on?
Speaker 2:yeah I, you did that thing for 17 years.
Speaker 1:Holy crap, your app. No, you did it for 10 years.
Speaker 2:13 years, yeah, 13 pretty much.
Speaker 1:So you were the CEO of that app company, or you were a co-founder, or what did you guys do? Yeah, co-founder and CEO.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was fun. I used to travel here all the time from LA.
Speaker 1:Um one of our biggest customers.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like a lot of. Uh, one of our big customers was actually in Brussels and but yeah, so, um, wow, but during COVID and I was kind of in the process of selling that company, oh God. It's like nah, it's like I remember that. Um you know, what is always weird to me about COVID was that like remember when, all of a sudden, we didn't have to wear masks.
Speaker 2:I felt like there wasn't a diaper, yeah, but I felt like there wasn't enough of like a celebration. That like it was like all of a sudden you could go to the airport like and everyone, you could see everyone's face, like and and there was no like hey guys, now we can take the mess up. Um, it just kind of happened and it was like god, after like two years of like crazy town, uh, and there was no formal like firework show to unmask or whatever. But, um, yeah, during covid I basically that's kind of where the the idea for putter came. Because why?
Speaker 1:because you're just like hanging out at your house and you're like trapped in my house um even app hotels which no one was traveling right, and hotels were really things were not good in the brick and mortar space. Let's just say that especially you're trying to like sell software right and all of a sudden they're like oh yeah, guests like oh yeah, I mean it's brutal.
Speaker 2:I mean you know, like caesar's was one of our biggest customers. I mean crap, dude, they shut. I mean they shut down vegas from like I remember that.
Speaker 1:I mean yeah like you haven't been to vegas since like 2020. Like I know it sounds weird, but that was like right before kobe. That last one was there and I was like that's five years ago because, cause, I don't know, yeah, things have changed, I think, uh, since, but you know it's.
Speaker 2:I would say Vegas isn't what it used to be. Obviously, I think people have always been saying that, but, um, I don't know, they go, it goes through cycles, and I think when you go there for work too, you get jaded, um, but uh. But yeah, you know, I had a two my son was two at the time during in the peak of beginning of COVID, and I was like, well, you know the tiger way, right, like start at the hole and work backwards. I'm going to order a putting mat off Amazon and work with them on putting, and then he'd like go to bed and I'd be like, all right, now I'm going to work on putting for my like Saturday morning game and to bed, and I'd be like, all right, now I'm gonna work on putting for my like Saturday morning game and um, and that combined with being on the peloton literally every day because, like gyms were closed beach oh yeah, I bought a peloton dude.
Speaker 1:It was like and I bought it right before, like you couldn't remember, you couldn't get anything like.
Speaker 2:It was like oh, a three-month wait, oh yeah, um, well, I I luckily was like an early adopter. I had I've had a peloton for a long time but yeah, once covet, I mean it like saved my life, you know, because it gave me like some workout to do and like kind of a an hour to um. But you know, one of the things that was so interesting was, like you know, putting on this putting mat and you hit three putts and you're bored, um, and I'm like I just want like some feedback and statistics to like see if you know if I'm hitting seven footers or nine footers. Like where am I making them? Like how many am I making? Like let me change my grip a little bit and like see if anything changes. But like there's no feedback for that.
Speaker 2:And then you know, having just being in golf, you see, like for club data, like TrackMan I mean, it spits out like a hundred numbers about everything and if you go like it fitted for literally any club except a putter, the amount of data that comes back is incredible. But yeah, and I was just kind of like as an engineer, I was like, so how can I score this? Basically, like how can I make it fun and like make some kind of game out of it, and that's really kind of where it started and then just basically started building it out of wood in my garage and then, you know, got it off the ground, basically.
Speaker 1:So like what was the prototype then? Was it really made of wood and like a putting mat with an ipad on top or what?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, I mean I, basically I, I 3d printed the mount that holds the camera and the computer and I laser cut baltic birch wood which is like that eighth inch thick wood, that, like every like you see those, like you like you know those models they sell the kids for, like Da Vinci, and they're all. All that is is they're taking one piece of wood, which costs like a dollar, laser cutting it, you pop all the wood out and you put it together because it's very precise. Um, so, anyhow, learned how to do that. I found a laser cutter in Redondo beach. Where'd you live? In LA, in Redondo? Well, that was the last place I lived. I lived in before that PV and before that Hollywood, right in the middle of Hollywood.
Speaker 1:But that was when I was young and in my twenties, and my buddy has a, a, a studio or a a club and in Redondo, like the like minimal golf bags, they have like a oh Sam, yeah, like minimal golf bags. They have like a oh Sam, yeah, sam, yeah, I'm boys, yeah, it's my good friends.
Speaker 2:Oh cool. Yeah, you know it's so funny. I have a great story, so just see, I'm sorry. Well, a minimal story, Um, and I have uh, my golf bag is a minimal golf. It's the last one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm that one yeah.
Speaker 2:It's not the newest one, but we are. I'm buying a new, the newest one, as a giveaway for one of our online tournaments. Um cause I love the brand.
Speaker 2:I mean love. He's really innovated on the golf bag and that was you know. It's funny. I still have like a sun mountain bag from like high school and I was like bag and literally I'm taking my son to school and I at the time I mean not to, I'm not a, I'm not a douche, but I had a golf cart in la and you know I was one of those guys on the beats that driving his golf cart and um and like I drive by this place and it used to be another place, and there's these like the original one, the one in the original club, or no?
Speaker 2:no, I don't think so the big bay like garage yeah, the rest of the main one, yeah, in redondo in redondo.
Speaker 2:That one, um, this was like I don't know, maybe five years ago and um, and like, I just drive by and I like look in and I see like a pool table, a half pipe and a golf sim in the back and I'm like I don't know what this place is, but I want to go in there. I mean, you know, it's like that looks super cool and uh, so I just dropped my son off, parked the car, walked in. I was like what do you guys do? They're like we sell golf bags. I'm like no way. Um, but yeah, super cool, dude, love his product.
Speaker 1:Um, dude I could work, like because you can be a member at that place and you can just like work out of there or whatever dude, that'd be the coolest place to work out of, right, because like it's open oceans, like what block away it's always breezy in there, you can. It's just like everyone's cool. I don't know like I love that place yeah, redondo's awesome.
Speaker 2:I mean, you know south bay is great. Um, obviously, being on the beach is great. I don't surf, so like you're paying a premium for the rent if you don't start to be that close to the beach, but but I loved it and also being there during COVID was like an absolute godsend, cause I could just like take my son to the beach and it was basically our own beach, basically a private beach, every day.
Speaker 1:So that was great. The beach is closed. I can't remember, back then Was it closed, you know there were some I'll back then.
Speaker 2:Was it closed? You know, there were some right, I'll never forget it where, like I think it was a it was july 4th where the restaurants were open and the beach was closed. I mean, there was there was a point in time where they were pulling surfers. Like the coast guard was pulling surfers out of the water and I'm like I'm pretty sure you're social distancing if you're surfing like I don't think you can surf like within six feet of anybody. Um, but yeah, it was crazy town and yes, the beaches were closed for like a short period, but then they reopened them and we're like, yeah, just social distance. I mean, especially in redondo, the beaches are massive, like you don't need to be near anybody, they're not busy, they're not like santa monica venice yeah, it's not popular. Yeah, it's like houses over there and yeah, it's all houses.
Speaker 2:It's wide open. There's no one there. I mean, you have to walk down from the strand, so it's like, and it's just such a deep beach, you know, like from the strand to the ocean is like 500 feet, you know it's huge.
Speaker 1:So, anyhow, um, yeah, love rodondo, but um, so then, okay, so you came out with when, when Putter first came out, when was the first viable?
Speaker 2:prototype out? Yeah, great question. So we had a also kind of COVID related. We had definitely like a false start. So I launched the Indiegogo crowdfunding campaign to fund the first batch of units with a prototype that I had made, and that was in October of 2021. And then there was a chip shortage, which a lot of people forget, but in 2022, I can tell you two companies that do not forget it, which is Tesla and EasyGo and I know that because I was buying a golf cart and EasyGo it was like the chip that makes it go, they couldn't get. But they had their whole fleet of 2021 golf carts built like tires on, like ready to go, but there was this one chip that they couldn't get. So they just literally had to sit on all that inventory for like a year. It was crazy, um, so our product basically got, you know, delayed um, you're right, last on the list to get the chip yeah, I mean, obviously right, we're nobody.
Speaker 2:So, like you know, apple and tesla are spin, are getting all the silicone um, and so that's what it came down to was a silicone shortage, um. But you know, bottom line was we ended up shipping in january of 23. So did you meet your goal? Indiegogo, or whatever. Yeah, we actually did great. We did um, we beat our goal in the first hour and um, you know, plowed, plowed through it and uh, and I think the other and the other thing that was like a really good. You know, indiegogo was kind of for me like the test of like, all right, do I really do this business? Are people gonna buy this? You know, expensive putting mat, do people really care about putting um, and so it was kind of like the litmus test. You know, before I was like all right, now let's really tank.
Speaker 1:You'd be like this is a dumb idea. Idea Move on Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if I didn't sell any, I would have said all right, let's, you know, go get a job Um and so. Uh, you know, luckily we did really well. And the other thing that was, I think, a great indicator was you know, our first, you know, whatever that is, 400 customers, four or 500 customers. They waited 16 months from paying to getting the product and like and, and nobody canceled.
Speaker 1:Everybody kind of looped right and said hey, like we're waiting on chip.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, we're ready to go. It's like, yeah, very transparent, totally over, communicative, and you know, and at the end of the day, right Like you couldn't get a Tesla either. So it's not like it was a, a, an issue that was unique to us. It was a global issue, um, and so everybody kind of knew and like what a weird time that was, right. I mean just thinking back on 2020, 2021, I mean jesus, um, so anyhow. So, yeah, january 23 is when we finally shipped our first you know by then, years ago.
Speaker 1:What's that like two years ago? Yep, it was like when the first unit went out yep, exactly.
Speaker 2:So it's basically been two years in the market um, and now we've we've got about 4 000 units out there um and which is cool if you think about it, because, like it's like, how much does it cost?
Speaker 1:like five, they're 5.99. Yeah, so times that 4 000 like it and it's like not like something, you know it's not. You're buying, buying something on Amazon that's like $30. For sure, it's like, this thing's awesome.
Speaker 2:Well, thank you. Yeah, I mean well. And also, when you compare it to like SIM prices, it's actually very cheap, but when you compare it to like a piece of carpet putting mat, it's-.
Speaker 1:But most SIM stuff putting is terrible, Like almost all of them, except for a small handful.
Speaker 2:I'm glad we don't have to debate that because, yeah, I mean it's crazy. You know we've gotten a lot of requests to integrate. You know, because as a competitive golfer, I mean you know I've always said like the difference between the pga and the corn ferry is putting. Um, like all the guys on corn ferry can hit a 350 and bend a three iron any way they want right and hit it as high as they want and do everything. Um, and I think putting is, and when you see the guys winning you know it's all because you know putting is usually what's kind of putting them over the edge.
Speaker 2:And it's weird because, like, when you really look at like numbers and you think about as a golfer, you know 42% of golf shots right Are putts, but like as an actual club in the bag, you know like you normally would hit like between 30 and 40. Putts Right and like max, you're gonna have 14 drivers in a day right on a in a round. So like that's crazy when you think about 14 clubs in the bag. You know your putter is by far the most used but like it's the most abandoned and unpracticed and like this because boring child like nobody want to do it.
Speaker 1:It's not even fun, right like there's no data, it's like you're as put and okay, you know it rolled back to me or it didn't roll back to me and I gotta do it again, and like you don't have.
Speaker 2:There's no like um you know, gratification right like no gratification no game and no games, and no like community and so that's really where I like saw that big opportunity was like all right, the reason I'm on the Peloton number one is stats. I can see like am I beating myself yesterday? Am I getting better? Like I can track stuff and then be like my sister's on there. I get a push notification when she completes a ride and then I want to get on the bike and like whip her ass. So there's like very much a competitive, like leaderboard um piece to it and that's where I was like this needs to exist for like home, a home putting. Like golfers are the most competitive, like we're, we're adding real money gaming soon that's the key.
Speaker 1:I was gonna say, like you guys are doing that, because then that's gonna like, like what pin seeker's doing right, or whatever yeah, there's a lot of guys doing it now and it's like you know, for me, I think that's um you know.
Speaker 2:Back to the sim thing, it's like you play in a sim league as like a, a good golfer, and you know you hit it to nine feet and it's a two putt.
Speaker 1:You hit it auto putts and it's like right at auto putts or you know you hit a good putt and it freaking goes right past the hole. You're like that's bullshit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't. Well, putting into a screen or putting into like the void is not putting, I mean, you know you can get used to it and adjust to it, but it's not preparing you to make putts on the course, and so you know, I think there is my biggest design goal with putter is that you don't have to attach anything to your putter, you don't have to play with special balls. You can use the balls you normally play with and the putter, your gamer and the technology works around you and that's like my. It was my biggest goal. Like I don't want to have like these heavy bluetooth balls or anything weird. Like it needs to be. I want to put with pro v's and I want to use my, my gamer, and so yeah, so that was really kind of the emphasis to it and and and yeah, and I I'm.
Speaker 2:It was surprising to me. I went to the PGA show, like I forget, when it was like late 2018, 2019, and just like kind of see what was out there, there's nothing like this. And like you talk to every sim company and they're like, oh yeah, we have putting. And you're like, okay, well, show me. And they're like, see, you do this and you do this and I'm like, well, okay, yeah, I mean that's you're hitting a putter, but like you're not putting it into a hole, so like what, it just didn't feel like, what golf feels like, so, so, yeah, so I think that that's. That was really the biggest gap, but then also like to be able to roll it out in your apartment and put it away was a big, you know, component, and thank you for saying that it looks cool.
Speaker 1:Um, that was kind of well. It's almost like a piece of functional art, like I mean, I know it's a metal box but yeah, but like dude, it's like most putter greens look like complete shit. And where are you gonna put it right? Like seriously, when you're done putting where you to put your putting green? Either you leave it on the ground or you put it in a brown box in the corner and you don't use it. I have my putter right here. It's out of the way, but you would never know there's a putting mat in there ever.
Speaker 2:It's a nice thing.
Speaker 1:We've heard a lot of descriptions.
Speaker 2:I try to make it look like a Sonos subwoofer.
Speaker 1:I've heard some people call it. It looks like an alien's toolbox and I'm like no, I think it's toolbox a little bit, but not really, because it's a muted color too, so it's not all. Like you know what I mean, like you wouldn't totally, and that was the idea.
Speaker 2:You know, my again, my wife's an interior designer, so I was like, with the old putting mat, it's like laid across the living room floor, she's like, okay, you're gonna put it away now. And like I realized that like yeah, even just putting it away like every wife says that totally, and and it was clunky, you know, you have to like fold it up and then you do, and then it gets like a kink in it.
Speaker 1:Um, which was another big one. I completely screwed up forever and yeah, then you just throw it out you just throw it out, um, and so that's.
Speaker 2:That was another big one. Was like the mat needs to lay completely flat and never kink, and so I went through hundreds of carpet samples turns out most of the carpet in the world comes from shenzhen, china.
Speaker 2:Learn that through the process. Um, you can't really make it in the us. There's like two carpet manufacturers and they want, you know, to cut like corporate office space like millions of square feet at a time. Um, but yeah, so that those were like kind of the important things needs to roll well and then, um, be with a real hole. Yeah, that was my kid, yeah, was it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, hey, free actors yeah, I guess like rolling his eyes, like whatever dad yeah, yeah yeah uh my favorite commercial is this guy right here. Hold on, he's all excited, he's like, whatever that guy is, that's my, my favorite part.
Speaker 2:That's me, is it? You really yeah, and then the other guy is a paid actor.
Speaker 1:This guy right. Not that guy. That guy no, hold on, dang it. Where is it? It's where you look at the app. I don't know. I think it's okay, come on.
Speaker 2:I just saw.
Speaker 1:I've been watching the last five minutes and now it doesn't like it's probably the end of the freaking show.
Speaker 2:It's just on loop it was coming on, here it is coming up. That's the old that guy right there, that's me on the right, you're cheating.
Speaker 1:I like that guy. Um, so let's ask some technical questions, not technical, but like door questions. Here's what I like about it. I just this is the box, right. I like how you already had the handles built into it and it's like then it lays flat inside of it. You guys can kind of see it right there. Um, what I think is cool too, like this door opens up in case you guys didn't notice, but then, like it's designed, it's not like a normal track, right, it's almost like it reminds me of an old-time film. You know where it's, like it rolls out, but then it's like raised, so it like almost like a train track.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, the whole key is like for us is, you know, and we're making, we're working on the second version of it is like portability. Make sure that you know, because we have a lot of guys like the players who are traveling, playing golf, they travel with this thing and they're setting it up in their hotel room wherever their tournament is, and so it needs to be like as portable. And you know, the goal was to kind of be able to set it up and and put it away in under a minute. Um, you can definitely do yeah, I mean that's yeah, so that's, I think that was like we accomplished it. But you know, we're always trying to work on things and now, actually, the next one will also be able to be able to rotate the return, so you can have it return from the left side or the right side, because we we abandoned the lefty on this one. We had to kind of pick.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I think I said that in my video, like if you're left-handed you're hosed, like you get hit backwards.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean at least the new one.
Speaker 1:well, at least the new one, which you don't really want to do.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I matt's not left-handed, definitely not. Uh, I'm not either, so I can't complain about it. Just yeah, I think 10 of golfers are left-handed.
Speaker 1:Well, there's left. You just have a lectorium like like, uh, ned, flanders. So is there like stuff in the mat? Is there like sensors in there, like how's it or is it coming off the ipad or how does it talk? There's a technology the mat right. So no, there's not, the mat is just carpet, okay inside the ipad is reading where it's at in relation to the dots or something no.
Speaker 2:So inside the box, um, there's a camera and the camera's like at an angle and it's capturing the mat, and so it's basically like a camera-based, like the way the camera-based golf simulator works. Right, it's just literally tracking the ball at a high frame rate, um, and it also knows where the hole is. So, um, you know, it can tell you every time a putt gets hit.
Speaker 1:I know exactly, you know where it went, what speed it's going where in the the whole of the data essentially, and this is telling you where it's doing. That's exactly right.
Speaker 2:And then the app. It just connects over Bluetooth, so you can use any iOS, android or Mac any device with Bluetooth and it'll connect. This is the best article right here. Yeah, thank you, that's my prop right there to myself.
Speaker 1:That's cool. You put on your website. Let's see.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so basically, you know you can put the device anywhere and it's kind of like a BYOD. And and again, the reason I did the, the that versus you know, like a Peloton comes with a screen on it. And I thought, and we've thought about that and we and we may someday release a version with a screen, but ultimately that makes it heavier.
Speaker 1:No, I like to have an iPad.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I like it too, but again, it's some people kind of want to all in one thing. You know, don't want to have to have an iPad. So in that case you know there's there's some people kind of want an all in one thing, you know, don't want to have to have an iPad.
Speaker 1:So in that case you know there's an opportunity there, but again it's just it drives the cost up so much.
Speaker 2:A lot Like double it. Right, yeah, like double it, like double it, and really my target for the price was $599, because you know that used to be what like a new driver cost. Now it's like a new driver kind of cost that, but then you have to replace the shaft, so it ends up being like $1,000 $1,000?. Yeah, my last driver was $1,100. So crazy, it's crazy. Who buys a driver every year. Let's see the dispersion.
Speaker 1:Honestly, nobody can afford a new driver every year.
Speaker 2:Well, I read an article that I think it's the average golfer buys a new driver every four years, which still seems like a lot.
Speaker 1:But I just feel like tech is so cool, like golf, especially because it's constantly evolving. The driver's not evolving. Give me a break. You know like oh, it goes farther, it's ar technology, oh, whatever. The new key phrase is this year okay, 10x moi or 10 000 moi. Okay, whatever is that?
Speaker 2:maybe hit the ball farther or straight like care about yeah, I mean, look, I think, yeah, I mean, there's a lot of marketing there. Um, you know what one thing you know a lot of people comment on ads. You know what's ai about this, um, about our putting green. And so you know, ultimately, like computer vision is, ai, is a subset of AI, right, and so you know the way it tracks the ball is actually using a train machine learning model to to detect the ball at a high frame rate. So that's a big piece of you know how we're, how we enable the technology but also to be able to deliver it in a product for 599. Right, I mean, when you look at some of the camera based SIM companies, and again they're doing full stripe, but you know five to 10,000. So it's, it's a big gap.
Speaker 1:I mean thousand. So it's, it's a big gap. Um, I mean, the coolest putting thing I think out there that I've ever seen is that twenty five thousand dollar. What's that one called putt view, not putt view. It's only like the light comes down on the ground and it like moves the floor and it like does that all that crazy stuff?
Speaker 2:that's cool, that's like oh yeah, like yeah, the smart green by full swing is is, I think, what you're talking about. Yeah, it's so expensive.
Speaker 1:It's like 100 grand, but it's the coolest thing ever. I feel like if you had a tech, this is what I tell people. If you have a putting thing and you put lights on it, people are going to buy it Because they're like oh, that's so cool. You know what I mean, even if you're like here's the track. I mean you know what I mean. Like, even if you're like here's the track. I mean I know you probably can't do that, but I'm saying like people would geek out on it, because whenever I've posted like social media videos of like that stuff, you're getting so many views. Every dude's like oh, it's so cool. I wish I could do that huh.
Speaker 2:Well, we'll add lights to the next uh version just for me, like christmas lights would be cool.
Speaker 1:So then tell me. So then, all right, so you, if someone buys the putter, what do they get? So yeah, so outside of the hardware. Like what? Like what is the app and how does that work?
Speaker 2:yeah, so basically like in the app, right, the app is really where all the kind of stuff is um, and so you connect your app to it and then um, basically get, we have. We have a subscription, but without the subscription you get all the games. So we have a ton of all kinds of different formats of games. We have like horse, beer pong, darts, and all different types of gameplay that are for single, some are single player and some are for local multiplayer and then online multiplayer. Our most popular games are on fire, which is you have to putt till you miss from different spots on the green.
Speaker 2:And another thing I should mention too about the green right is from each distance, and you know this. But from three to 11 feet you have three putts. So there's a left to right, a straight and a right to left, and it's not a huge break, but really what it just does is if you ever put on a putting mat and you're just hitting the same pot straight over and over again, you're going to make every pot Like anybody who's decent is going to just start draining every pub because you're not actually putting, you're just going through the same motion. So once you have to switch up distances and switch up breaks, actually have to think about making a putt just like on a real golf course and that was also, you know, intentional with the mat, there's no lines, there's no guides, like we want you to play, like just positions right, Like position four, three, if I remember correctly, exactly.
Speaker 2:So it's 27 different spots and that really just kind of allows you to really like practice, more like you play, and then you get all the stats, like your historical, you know, make percentage from each distance, make percentage by break. We have like achievements, challenges, it's so cool, it's fun.
Speaker 1:It actually makes putting fun Like I don't know. That's the whole idea. That's it. That's the whole idea.
Speaker 2:I mean when I played in college right, like everything was about how do you make practice fun. But what's so interesting about it is it's not just so that you can keep doing it, it's also so that it simulates pressure, right and like if you're not practicing with like a score or some kind of like measurement. You know a lot of people talk about like oh, I hit a great on the range without really terrible when you get on the course, oh yeah, cause it like matters, and so you're starting to think about it, and so you're not thinking about it when you practice and you're not going to think about it when you play. So it's really about like gamifying. It just makes you think about it while you're practicing and it just gets you better and ready for pressure. And it just gets you better and ready for pressure. So yeah, so you get all that. And then you know we have a membership that's 20 bucks a month, or if you buy yearly, it's like 16 a month and that adds like you know, yeah, what do they give you?
Speaker 2:So it's basically all. It's exactly like we kind of modeled it after, like Xbox, playstation. It basically unlocks all the online play, which is like online tournaments for real prizes. Um, last month we had travis matthew was a sponsor.
Speaker 1:We gave away these sick like 300 sunglasses to the winner um the base on the stats, or like what's, what's the contest or what was it so, yeah, you're.
Speaker 2:So it's an actual tournament. You have to enable your camera on your device so you can't cheat. You actually have to record your entire round, um, and it's four rounds of nine putts each, so it's 36 putts total and you get a score based on the putts you made. So if you make a seven footer, it's worth seven points, five footers worth five, and so on. You miss it, it's worth zero and um, and the high score of the tournament for the month wins the prize, and we can authenticate the user.
Speaker 1:You know we can authenticate that they actually did it through the video so it's like the video is coming from what the unit, or from the ipad.
Speaker 2:From the ipad after we get off, you gotta play you gotta play one huh I said after we get off, you gotta play a play in this month.
Speaker 1:No, no, I will, because I tested it out, like last fall, and there was like I mean, you were, a lot of things were rolling out when I was like checking it out and I have mine I still haven't done yeah, we update the app like every week, so I can tell. So I'm looking, I'm like that's new, that's new, that's new. Yeah, like you didn't before did you?
Speaker 2:yeah, that's new too, so we're doing like body analysis which is also like an AI tool that we use that Google provides, that will annotate video so we can trace your eye line over your ball, your shoulder line over your toe and then your posture, and then we show you that and compare that with the actual putt results so you can actually go through and say, okay, like on the putts I made that were quality, um, this is kind of what it looked like, and then go back and make adjustments really cool dude, like on it.
Speaker 1:Like honestly, this is freaking really cool. Like I at first, like I was cool play with and it's good for fun and training. But like on, this isn't. Like if you're just somebody who like doesn't know what putter to use not putter in your company, but like putter like as you get put with right, like you might have like a saudi camera and you might have like a lab, you might have a bunch of different putters but you don't know which one you hit better with. Like you think you hit better with one and then you really don't. Like for the first time ever though, you can actually see, because where else you're going to get this data? Like you're not, unless you have a track man for putt and you have it set for putting and it's behind the hole and like you know and you get fitted for a putter like that kind of thing. But there I've, I mean that's it. I mean honestly.
Speaker 1:Yeah totally Putter's good for you, or you know, I don't know, like, how do you yeah?
Speaker 2:well, that's and that's the whole thing, right, like without the feedback. That's what I that's kind of why I created. It was like you want to test different grips, like I'm going to try cross hand, I want to try arm lock offset.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I got five types.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, I got five putters in the garage. I mean, who doesn't have five putters in the garage?
Speaker 1:right like so everybody does. Every putters are 300 bucks. You know it's like I can, you know, but that's always I didn't think about this.
Speaker 2:But even think about, like, the way people buy putters right, like you literally maybe take it out for a round and it's completely anecdotal.
Speaker 1:It's like, yeah, this one feels great yeah, or if, like, you're a content creator trying to film it and you're like, bring it, like you, like you watch the hidden putts of the putting green, doesn't mean't mean jack shit, like I mean there's a million factors. Okay, I mean, there's no discernible data to back what you're saying, right, exactly. People are going to argue like, oh, it's not that accurate, it's something right, it's probably accurate enough. Like it's not like you, but it's, I don't know.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying it's like people complain about oh, you're hitting shots in a simulator, what's the alternative?
Speaker 2:like someone stand at the range finder behind me, I mean like yeah, but again I mean think about a driver fitting today without track man, right, I mean look like, yeah, exactly all the different shafts, all the different heads, like if I was just going on feel and like anecdotal, you know, it's like I remember back in the day when the big Bertha came out, the first big Bertha, and it was like everyone would buy one because you'd hit your friends. It felt amazing, it made the sound, it went. You think further but we didn't really know. And it's still today like that with putting. Obviously there's exceptions, you can get putter fittings and there's companies that are doing that. You know at the top end, but a lot of people still just don't know what they put best with because it's all anecdotal.
Speaker 2:And even like and even the top teaching pros now, which is something we're starting to work with. You know they don't have the data. So, like when someone comes in for a putting lesson, they like, well, where do you miss left or right and short or long, and yeah, that person's going to give an answer, but it's completely based on. It's not based on data, it's just based on, like, what they think, which you know, unless you're really getting fitted right and it's like, well, you can, like I, I had never been fitted, like fitted for a putter.
Speaker 1:And then I got like I was fitted for a putter at pxg and like their putting area, with you know, and they have the track man pointing at the ground, all that crap, and like they're literally changing like every little. You know, which head do you like? Okay, I like these kinds of heads. And then it's like they're changing the um everything, and I was like you could really see a difference. Oh, you're pulling just a bit left with this type and that that's awesome, right, but totally, and all the different.
Speaker 1:Let's say you can't afford that, or you don't want to, or you got some. Somebody gave you an old scotty camera and an old pink putter. It's like, oh, it's my dad's like to use it. But it could be like that could be the best part in the world for you, but you would never know because you don't know when I get like and that's the other thing, right, I mean, is my swing the same as it was five years ago?
Speaker 2:you know, there's so many things that can change. I want to try stuff get more upright. I've been doing more yoga lately. All these things we don't really have data for, at least it's lent and you're not eating sugar and you're going crazy totally so, yeah, so that you know that's really and it's interesting you say that about, like what's rolled out, you know did you know a lot of stuff in the last six months, man for real.
Speaker 2:Well yeah, we've really well, you know what it is. It's like we've really found, I think, like our core audience, our core user, which is like definitely the golfer that wants to improve their putting. Um, you know, there's so much around like top golf. When I launched this company and I was like, yeah, this is for everybody, like anybody just wants to have a game night at home, and I think, like what we found out is like people who aren't into golf like it. They're like, oh, this is cool, like this is fun, but golfers love it because they're like, oh, wow, like this dials me in to a level that I've never had before no competition, like no one's doing this dude yeah, I mean it's.
Speaker 2:You know, we're definitely at this price point. Seriously, man, this is genius. Yeah, it's well we're definitely first movers. So, um, you know, we're definitely at this price point. Seriously, man, this is genius. Yes, well, we're definitely first movers. So, um, you know, we're trying to go fast, but uh I mean I guess okay, what would?
Speaker 1:but there's no one, no one's doing, no one's bridge, no one that I know has bridged this gap right between using the tech with putting right without having. I mean that's not physical right. I know, like the air brake, you can step on the thing and air or whatever Like, but I mean there's no tech involved, like it's not. This is tech, like this is cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think between the stats and being able to play online against people and compete is really different, and I think that the community is really like a big part of what makes us different is like to be able to play online with friends, like I play with my dad, who's still in new hampshire. Um, you can play live multiplayer. It's like video, putting against each other with a scoreboard and so, like you know, and that's kind of like you know, it takes me back to being on the putting green when I was a kid playing seven up with him.
Speaker 1:You know, um, all time and and and so, like the best time, or, yeah, a horse, or you put the t in the ground. You're like, okay, now you gotta hit it from here now, or whatever, yeah dude.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean now we did that all night like until it got dark. So like this is just kind of like a new connected version of that that people can do from anywhere. Um, so that's kind of how we like to look at it well, mad props.
Speaker 1:I think it's cool. Thanks, I think it's cool. A year ago when I first saw it and I was like when I was doing that um guide with sports illustrated, I was like, well, let's see how let's see how good you are.
Speaker 2:You got to play in this week's tournament.
Speaker 1:See if you can top five at least oh yeah, I didn't freaking get a scholarship, though I got a scholarship to like goofy golf place um what do you?
Speaker 2:so wait, what's your? What are you putting with? Now?
Speaker 1:you're putting with pxg dude, I have a bunch of putters because I don't know which one is the best for me. I'm, I have a ph like. I have an allen putter I use which is that new pxg putter. I have, like, the lab mez. I have the df2 or 2.1 or whatever it is. I have a Scotty Cameron but I can't hit it with a shit. But I think I'm just cool because I have a Scotty Cameron. You know whatever Newport or something, I don't know what it is. I give it away After you get off whenever you can.
Speaker 2:There's a game called Compare and you literally enter the names of the putters, called compare, and you literally enter the names of the putters and then you you're going to hit 10 putts with each that the game records and it literally is like track man. It gives you dispersion on speed, on accuracy, make percentage. It's going to spit all these numbers and it's going to grade each putter and then show you which one is the best and it's the. You're the same person putting with the same ball, with just with different putters. The only thing that's changing is the putter. Try that and then see which one. I'd be interested to see which one it spits out.
Speaker 1:So cool dude. When I first saw it, I think, who did I see make a video? I saw him make a video and then I reached out to you and then we talked.
Speaker 2:Remember that was a summer. He was on your podcast. Maybe was it um sean from breaking 80.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, sean ogle, yeah, great dude yeah, I think I think he talked.
Speaker 1:we, I saw the article or I saw the video. I'm like, oh, I think you're really cool. Um, so that's why I first found you, really, and I was like good thing, because I think, if, if you guys are looking for some like seriously, here's what I think putting's boring. Right, it's fun if you go to the course. Something like seriously, here's what I think Putting is boring, right, it's fun if you go to the course and go putt with your friends or your dad or whatever.
Speaker 1:Make a game, okay, it's fun. But like by yourself, it sucks, right, unless you make. Yeah, no one, no one ever wants to do that. No, ever. Right, yeah, but like you've figured out a way of making putting fun, but like I know it's very cliche and be like oh, it's a game, you can play games on it. Yeah, but, but you've done so much since then. That's like actually, this is becoming a training aid, like a tool. Yeah, you can play games and you can bet money now, but you're building an ecosystem, correct, someone's like I don't really need to get a putting train. I don't. I don't need to buy whatever tachki to help me putt, like I can just practice on this and see if it works.
Speaker 2:Yeah, definitely. The end goal is to improve and right, and it's just about making it fun and engaging and like making you want to actually putt. I mean, that's literally the main thing and that's what. And I find that that's so many. People say that to me. They're like me and my buddy played for like three hours last night and we're having so much fun and betting money and all this stuff so much fun.
Speaker 2:But he's like and then in the end we're like dude, we just practice putting. I mean, because that's ultimately what you're doing right, like you're actually working on it and you're trying to hit better putts and you're trying.
Speaker 1:So it's like it too, if you could figure out a way of plugging this in which you probably already are, but plugging it in to a simulator of some sort Not the super high-end shit, but what if there's a way where you can plug into a third-party app like Awesome Golf or GS Pro or something, that somebody has an R10 and they're in their yard hitting shots or they're hitting in their garage and now, like they can still simulate putting and still to be within under a thousand dollars you know what I mean like without having that yeah, I mean I I would you know.
Speaker 2:Obviously there's a lot of simulator companies and um integration isn't the easiest path, but I totally agree with you like that. You know having played on it. It's like why are we just making everything auto from 10 feet and in?
Speaker 1:why don't we actually hate that because, like I know, it sucks, doesn't help you, because I'm gonna miss it through.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna repub that, I'm gonna tell you right now like it just takes putting out of the game completely, which is like to me that's a big part of it and I think from a player's perspective it's like the most important. Um. So, but yeah, I think you know, I think we'll get there where, like on the sim, you, you know, play to 10 feet and then you kind of just putt from eight feet or whatever the the game will tell you where, to where you, how far you are from the hole, and you got to make the four footer to make the birdie right. It's not auto.
Speaker 1:I think that's the future, yeah it's just there's a lot of yeah. I mean, if it wasn't automated, maybe figure out a way where people can be like okay, I have my sim here and then I'm the putter next to me, and then it's like you're seven feet away and it's like you just type in like distance, seven feet, you know breaking left or whatever, like you know what the screen showing you.
Speaker 2:Then you just hit the shot yeah, but I but I'm a tech guy, so I wanted to like integrate and be dope.
Speaker 1:I know, but you just told me it's a pain in the ass. Yeah, we'll get there. I'm trying to do the non-pain in the ass. I'm not trying to make it all clunky.
Speaker 2:I think also like yeah, but like my goal is like putting is enough and like I think putting putting can be an esport, like have you ever watched darts on tv? If darts can be on tv, then so can putting that's my opinion right?
Speaker 1:I mean, honestly, it's like accuracy and geometry, not geometry. Yeah, geometry, yeah, geometry. Yeah, I hate geometry, but weird, yeah, same. Your son's hilarious dude in this commercial. I'm like watching this thing. Yeah, whatever dad, whatever dad, my kid made the same look. Is that your wife in the video too? Their whole family. Yeah, oh, that's so cool dude. Well, matt, where can people find putter?
Speaker 2:oh, dude, we're already at an hour.
Speaker 1:That flew um I know, it always happens like that and we've talked for like 20 minutes before the show anyways. So yeah, so putter putter.
Speaker 2:You can find at putterco, puttrco, uh, and we're also available at the pga tour superstore um website and rolling out at their venues. So but you can find it on on pga tour superstore online and on putterco. Those are the only two places you can get it, uh if you guys want to see like, I like they.
Speaker 1:If you guys want to learn more about it, too, like, and there's third party. I didn't really know matt until like after all this stuff, so it wasn't like you know anything weird like watch. I have a full review of this on my youtube channel and I did they're in the buyers guy. I was just really impressed with it. I thought it was cool. Honestly, I think you need to get more love. That's what I think. I think you have a really cool product.
Speaker 2:Thank you. I appreciate you sharing the love, mad love. Now I'm going to hold you to the compare.
Speaker 1:I'm going to kick your ass. I'm going to kick your ass and get off the air. Then I want to see your tournament results.
Speaker 2:I'm going to see it. I see your name. No, because you suck shit.
Speaker 1:You're going to text me and be like you suck. You should go play some other sports.
Speaker 2:Isn't that the whole idea? Then I'm going to give you that.
Speaker 1:look like your son did, like this I'll just send you a loop of that. You know what we do to my kids to piss them off. I'll make stickers now on my phone of their stupid looks and I'll just make them a sticker on my iPhone and then I'll just send it to them when they make me mad. I have a whole library of stupid stickers now on their face. They get so pissed. That's hilarious.
Speaker 2:I did it to my wife too.
Speaker 1:She sent me a picture of her 10th grade high school picture. I'm like, oh, there we go, I got a new sticker. You guys, check out putterco. There's no e, so it's p-u-t-t-rco, just so you guys know. And thank you for being on the show today. And yeah, check them out, they're legit, he's cool, the cool brand, cool product and it's only like 300, 600 bucks, like dude, like that's like a golf club now. So just buy it. I'll see you guys and then next show, thank you thanks.
