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#208 - Special EP Group Speaker: Nimrod Vromen (AI, Geopolitics, and Personal Growth: Insights)
This is recording on Jordan's Mastermind call where Nimrod Vromen was the guest speaker! If you have interest in joining future conversations please reach out!
What if AI could reshape the world, not just with its technology but through complex geopolitical interactions? This episode, we’re thrilled to have Nimrod Vromen, an Australian-Israeli thought leader, join our roundtable to explore such compelling questions. Nimrod, who transitioned from a 16-year career as a corporate lawyer to the startup scene, shares his transformative journey alongside his current ventures in AI with his company ARK. His insights, fueled by a passion for technology and a rich background in law and military service, offer a unique perspective on the intersection of AI, global politics, and personal growth. His diverse experiences provide a captivating narrative, especially as he discusses the challenges of balancing multiple commitments and military obligations.
Engage with our lively group of participants, including Chase with his lawn care enterprise and Donnie, who ventures into mindset coaching, as they bring a variety of perspectives to the table. Discover how Dillon’s early scuba diving curiosity and Jakobi’s tabletop game development have shaped their journeys. Together, we unravel the potential impacts of AI on various professional sectors, envisioning a future where technology enhances creativity and expertise. We touch on the educational shifts needed to adapt to such advancements and speculate on emerging markets. The dialogue is enriched by Solomon’s passion for Dungeons & Dragons and the shared experiences among our guests, painting a holistic picture of ambition, innovation, and global awareness.
This episode transcends mere conversation as we navigate through the intricacies of global geopolitics and AI's revolutionary potential. Nimrod provides thought-provoking insights into the geopolitical dynamics involving nations like Russia, Iran, and Israel, and how AI might act as a catalyst for change in global power structures. Reflecting on the military experiences that have shaped him, Nimrod offers support to others facing similar challenges. As we explore the shifting alliances and burgeoning opportunities in the tech landscape, listeners are encouraged to think beyond surface-level interpretations and engage with diverse perspectives. This thought-provoking discussion promises to leave you with a deeper understanding of the evolving technological and geopolitical landscape.
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loud. Yeah, then I'm gonna start the fathom recording, and so what we're gonna do today is we're gonna talk about quickly. We'll do who we are a fun fact, a win we have if you were on the previous week we'll do an accountability and then we'll hop in with nimrod. I'll give you a quick overview of who he is and what he's about, even even though I sent that to you guys too. He does AI, all the cool stuff and then I'll start off with a question for Nimrod and then he'll answer it and kind of tell us a little about what's going on. And then we'll have everyone go around and they can kind of comment at what he's saying. And if you guys want to add a question in there, we can do that. And then we'll close out with greatest benefit, action, step and gratitude. So we'll kick it off with Jacoby who are you and what's a fun fact? What are you up to? Oh, he goes mute on me. Jacoby, you there?
Speaker 3:Hello.
Speaker 1:Yeah, are you good?
Speaker 3:I dropped my phone on my face and now it's in driving mode. Apparently, today is just not the day. Um, my name is kobe. I am a contractor for the united states government, I guess. I'm living in west virginia. I'm from detroit, fun fact about me. Um, I'm in the trial stages of developing a tabletop game, I guess.
Speaker 1:What's a tabletop game mean for those?
Speaker 3:who don't know Like D&D, but better.
Speaker 1:Okay, very cool. Also, jacoby, he told me before he's fighting food poisoning today. So if he has to mute or unmute which I don't know how fun that fact is, but he's here, dylan. What about you who?
Speaker 6:are you Just who you are?
Speaker 1:fun fact yeah.
Speaker 6:My name is Dylan Decker. I live in West Palm Beach, florida. I met Jordan College University of Tampa. I broker energy commodities. I focus on renewable fuel that goes into gasoline and help our clients trade futures and options around it. Fun fact I got my scuba diving license or certification when I was 12 and got into that in the early years. That's awesome.
Speaker 1:That's awesome. What was your favorite dive?
Speaker 6:One of the cool ones. It's actually where I got certified. It was like a family trip punta, cana, the dominican republic. I've dove in a lot of other places since, but like two or three years after going back once I was certified to go a little bit deeper, they have a shipwreck down there that's crashing like the late 1800s oh wow. And it had. It was like a had like a kind of like metal slash wooden hull that would, when you're down there, when the waves would pass, it would. It was like disconnected other than the bottom of the ship. So the front of the ship, like we're talking about, like like 30 feet high, like 15 feet out, would creak. Front of the ship, like we're talking about, like 30 feet high, like 15 feet out, would creak off of the ship and then, as the wave passed, it would smash back into the boat. So it would make this creaky noise every like 10 seconds and then hit the boat every like 20, 30 seconds. So that was pretty interesting. Don't want to swim in the middle of that one.
Speaker 1:That's fascinating, chase. What about you man? Who are you and what's a fun fact?
Speaker 7:Hey, that's fascinating. Chase, what about you, man? Who are you? And what's a fun fact? Hey, what's going on? Um, yeah, my name is chase. I'm out here in st petersburg, florida. Um, currently I run my own lawn care landscaping company. Um fun fact, uh, um, I get, I'm getting married in 40 days, 40 or 41 let's go, let's go.
Speaker 1:Uh, solomon, what about you?
Speaker 4:hey, my name is solomon um, I'm a geologist in cincinnati, I work in civil engineering and, um, I wouldn't have brought this up, but, uh, I got off work early and I just finished drawing. I'm also in a, I also play D&D and I just finished drawing a map for my game, so I guess, nerd solidarity with JKobe there.
Speaker 1:I love that.
Speaker 3:I'd have a creepy response, but I'm too tired. I'm too tired.
Speaker 1:Okay, donnie, what about you?
Speaker 5:Hey, nice to see you all again. I'm Donnie from Atlanta, georgia. Currently I work as a civil engineer as well entry level, so just a CAD technician right now. Engineer as well, um, entry level, so just a cat technician right now, um. But fun fact about me, I'm starting up a coaching business and I've been doing coaching for mindset, uh, for the past year or two that's awesome.
Speaker 1:That's awesome, nimrod, you got any fun facts I know. Last time you dropped the salsa on us, so I don't want you going back to this one.
Speaker 8:I can't go back to salsa. You can if you want. That's the only thing fun about me. I'm in the middle of sending 90 emails out to investors for my startup company. I hope to raise money. It'll be a fun fact if any of them answer in the positive, but it'll be depressing if they don't.
Speaker 1:Don't put that much expectation on yourself. You'll figure it out. You'll figure it out. You got a very captivating story and I think it's pretty cool, so now we'll dive into wins really quick. So what we do here is just it can be anything and everything. It's something in your day to day. So, Jacoby, what's a win that you got this past week? I know you might not have a win right now, but what's a win from the past week?
Speaker 3:I mean I avoided work on a Monday. That's a win, I guess.
Speaker 1:Of course that's a win. It's whatever you want it to be. Man, Solomon, what's a win for you?
Speaker 4:It's whatever you want it to be, man.
Speaker 1:Solomon, what's a win for you? Pass Okay, Donnie. What about you?
Speaker 5:What's a win you got. A win so far is that I finished the new videos for my landing page yesterday, so they're now up on my website.
Speaker 1:That's fantastic. That's awesome, Dylan. What about you?
Speaker 6:What's the win you got? I saw Nimrod's background with AI and location in Israel, so I don't know if this will have any overlaps. But that company, Palantir it's like my biggest investment and like largest conviction trade this year. They just posted their earnings like 30 minutes ago and they crushed uh q3 and they're up pretty solidly in that hour. So it's good considering I got a little too much of a chunk of my uh portfolio on there that's been.
Speaker 8:Yeah, defense has been a good sector for us, uh, last year yeah, yeah, it's been an interesting one, for sure um, yeah, if we go to, if we get, if I ask any questions, we're gonna go too deep into palantir.
Speaker 1:Dylan loves his palantir, but that's good, that's good. Chase, what's the one you got?
Speaker 7:um, yeah, I'll say, uh, pretty much got the last thing of this wedding figured out. Just have to order the food, which is not because we're waiting, but we have to. The place we're ordering from won't take any reservations unless it's like 30 days out, so but that's like, that's like the last thing, so a lot you know.
Speaker 1:Big sigh of relief, yeah so many factors with that and and then, nimrod, what's the one you got?
Speaker 8:I took upon myself several commitments this year. The first one is the startup company ARK, but there's at least three more, and this week is the first week that I'm trying a new gig, which is to divide my calendar up. Each company gets a day or two, and before I was having a lot of mental and emotional commute midday to shift from commitment to commitment, and so far it's. In Israel, we start the weekday on Sunday, so I'm two days in and I'm going into the third day and it's working. I'm happy.
Speaker 1:This is good it's good, and then do you work all the way to till friday.
Speaker 2:So it's sunday to friday it used to be the case, but not anymore. No, most most companies don't open on friday, but startup companies are pretty much 24 seven. We work all week, but people will provide you a service on Sunday through Thursday here in Israel.
Speaker 1:I got you, okay, very cool. And then, uh, solomon, I know you were on last week Yours was, uh, your accountability was about car, a car fix, fixing your car again, kind of up to oh, you got yeah in your car again kind of up to oh, and then what you got, yeah, um.
Speaker 4:So I guess my win can be that I got my engine repaired. Okay, it was like the uh some I don't know. It was like a. Really it was like a 20 part. I don't even remember what it was oh cool.
Speaker 1:So as long as you're being proactive, that's good, so let's hop into it. So Nimrod Varam is a highly engaging Australian-Israeli thought leader and the new author of Prompting Happiness. He's a lawyer by profession and he hosts a podcast, startup Confidential. He focuses specifically in AI, in the UAV unit for Israel. To me he's also like I know a lot of us have many different. We'll have our main job and then maybe a side hustle. I have never seen anyone side hustle like Nimrod, so I think it'd be super valuable if you just explain what the past year has been like, just in general, for you to go from hey, I'm leaving my lawyer job because I had Nimrod on the podcast have you guys listened? So he was basically doing startup advising. He would be their lawyer, their in-house, and then he basically was like I'm going to go do my own startup. And literally it wasn't. As soon as that happened, the October 7th kind of occurred.
Speaker 8:Let me just I just forgot to bring one thing. I wanted to bring the bulk over as well.
Speaker 1:Absolutely yeah. But so basically, nimrod, he's been doing all of this Like. To me it was very impressive because he had the steady job and he literally jumped off the deep end to start his own companies, and then he dives deep into taking on these outside obligations as well.
Speaker 8:I have to say that history might say that this is actually like me crashing and burning.
Speaker 8:Look, I was 16 years, a corporate lawyer. Um, look, I was 16 years, a corporate lawyer um, I represented hundreds of startup companies from inception through their entire life cycles, like pretty much about 650 companies. I would only represent companies, I wouldn't. I would very rarely represent investors, um, and I did their founders agreements and then, you know, when they built their advisory board and they raised a little bit of money and a little bit more and a lot more and then they got sold. Some of the companies that I represent are worth several billions of dollars and I knew them when the founders were not making ends meet and I didn't.
Speaker 8:I was always ambivalent towards my profession. Like, the legal profession is a profession where you generate documents. If I was on a bad day and people asked me what I did, I would say that I convert Word files into PDF files. I just make sure that they're signed. So I always wanted to do something different.
Speaker 8:It's also difficult when you're a lawyer and the clients that you represent are you know. There's only so much. You can live vicariously through your clients. If your clients are suffering, if you're a litigator, you're like happy to be their consultant and not go through what they're going through. But if they're entrepreneurs who are changing the world or just making a lot of money or still being free and controlling their own future, then you sort of ask yourself if you could do it yourself. But then you have different insecurities creep in, especially revolving around whether or not you can really lead a product development around technology that you don't necessarily understand. So the first thing that I did was sort of like extract from the consulting that we were giving everything that wasn't legal and convince my law firm to put it in a consulting company. This was four years ago. Consulting company is called Conciliary.
Speaker 8:The next thing I did was I took a coach, or actually Donnie, and she encouraged me to be creative and to like explore my creativity, because she figured that I was suffering from the fact that the contracts are very repetitive and that I wanted to write something to counter that. So I wrote this TV series that is now an Internet series for entrepreneurs, called Startup Confidential, and produced it. You can find it on. I'll send you the link. It's for free, of course, and it's a narrative of four startup companies and their journeys. Supposed to be pretty funny and very informative. So it's in arcmedianetworkcom in the video series section. So it's in arcmedianetworkcom, in the video series section.
Speaker 8:And then I found myself during COVID working two jobs, basically leading my legal practice and leading conciliary, and they were both service businesses and I was doing well at the time because there was a big boom in high tech which further locked me into this golden cage. And then, end of October 2022, not 2023, I was introduced to ChatGPT mid-October and I figured, okay, this is the technological revolution that is going to change my profession and that I can ride this wave and build something that will be the antithesis to the law firm and the consulting firm to do what they do, but only with expert humans and the rest is AI. So I started thinking about ARK expert humans and the rest is AI. So I started thinking about ARK and I wrote all my thoughts down and my thoughts were turned into this book Prompting Happiness, which is on Amazon. I'm not trying to sell it, but if you're interested, it's about the future of the pursuit of happiness in the age of AI.
Speaker 8:And I was ideating this company for a year, knowing that I would have to quit the legal profession and fold Conciliery into this company and replace all the people in Conciliery with ARX technology and I didn't have the guts to do it for an entire year, which drove me insane and drove me to some unholy things. And then October 7th happened and I realized insane and drove me to some unholy things. And then October 7th happened and I realized that in my like proportion spectrum, leaving this high paying, lucrative job as a partner at a law firm which for a Jewish mother is pretty much everything bar being a doctor like my mother to high-risk startup company, that's a huge. That was my biggest decision. I have two girls, but when october 7th happened, it just made the decision this small like there was. Suddenly there were some, there were things that were so much bigger for us as a community and as a nation, as an individual and as individuals that I just pretty much immediately quit. I went into reserves duty for four full months. That also helped me detach from my clients. I don't know who here has had, you know, spouses where you were together for a long time, knew that you had to break up and the thing that ended up breaking you up was one of you taking a long trip abroad and having to break up for that process. So being reserved duty was the way for me to like break up with my clients without having to do the talk with them. Um, so that's what really drove the change is this war. And now ARK is. My full-time Concilier is just being acquired by ARK. I'm very low touch at the firm, only an hour or two a week, just making sure that the clients are being taken care of.
Speaker 8:Promoting the book and the book and AI that we're doing in arc has actually evolved into another company that I uh, co-founded with someone who's running it exclusively. He's the full-time ceo. It's called for posterity and it's. It's a company that does something similar to arc and technologically but completely different market wise. It basically listens to elderly people speak for five to eight minutes and gives them back a 5,000 to 20,000 word book of their lives for their grandkids and great grandkids. So suddenly there's a lot of commitments and unfaithing. You know the defocus challenges, etc. But the main change, to answer your question, was driven by the war and resetting of my proportions and my understanding of proportions.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, absolutely. And so I think it's really important for everyone to realize, because not everyone has been tracking the war as you've seen. So like what has the war been like for you to be going through this Because you're in? The reason I think is really important for everyone is because you're in a really high state like startup business, but at the same time you're also trying to juggle these two divides. So how do you manage that? Because I think everyone here you hear they're all managing different things and then we'll kind of go around, robin, so everyone can kind of hear what you got to say or give their input in as well.
Speaker 8:So managing the divide between different ventures is an ongoing challenge for which I am constantly looking for hacks and adopting good, useful habits for this and the jury's out on whether or not it works. Like, for example, venture capitalists who are considering an investment in ARK will, at one point, want to see my full-time commitment to ARK through an employment agreement that already has exceptions and caveats to the other engagements, and I'm going to have to explain myself to them and say that I'm an adult and I'm 42 and give me a break. I'm not your slave. But they may not invest and, moreover, there's substance to it. Like I do feel that the deep focus is affecting me. I just feel like it's countered by some synergies that I learn from each venture for the other. But it's not an easy sell for investors, not by a long shot, and when there's a lot of money coming in, I'm probably going to have to face some tough choices. It's just something that a human being in this decade is not really equipped for, not even in conflict-ridden Israel. It's excuse my French, it's fucking insane.
Speaker 8:Other people here in Israel accept it Many of the people here here in reserves duty, but it's very different to what you might know in the United States, where someone who's in the army is being paid for being in the army and they get sent off for sometimes months on end in different places where the US Army is positioned, and then they come back and then they're home here. Israel is a very small country and you could be sent off for two, three weeks, or even for me, which I'm in a UAV unit, I could be sent off for a day and then come back. So the mindset shift is, frankly, I'm not dealing with I, I it's a day-to-day struggle. And that's putting aside the fact that this is a very violent, tragic, um, soul-crushing war. Uh, it's, uh, it's, it's horrendous.
Speaker 8:And, by the way, I want to say for the people here who are interested um, I'm an open book, I'm happy to discuss every single question you have, be it, you know, intrusive, inquisitory or adversarial, I'm happy to discuss it. It's a subject that I get relief from discussing it and I don't care, you know what sort of question is asked. I'm happy to share all the information you want about it. But, yeah, I can't say that I'm winning in this struggle. But if you're in from my vantage point, in Israel, literally everyone is like facing this. You start a conference call just one last anecdote and people ask you yo, dude, what's up? And everybody's going to be like, well, you know, as good as it can be under the circumstances, nobody even feels comfortable enough to just say okay or fine, yeah, it's really, it's really eating. Yeah, eating at us.
Speaker 1:I appreciate the candid nature. Like I know, a good amount of us are in florida and we literally were dealing with two hurricanes and everyone's like you're trying to manage both and it's very, very challenging. So, jacoby, for you, because I know you were military what? What do you think about all?
Speaker 3:like what nimrod said, or if you have any questions, go for it uh, about the mindset and just about like how, like people in the military get moved around. Yeah, yeah, in a sense we do have those months where we just drop off and I can 100% agree with you that like the mindset change is definitely like the biggest struggle and I know you're a complete professional. But if you needed to talk to someone, I'm here to talk because I understand, as mainly because it is a volatile subject and I don't have the strength to really talk about it. It's not because I could be as successful eventually, but I get it. I do get it because being in the military is definitely one of those challenges that I don't really wish on anyone else.
Speaker 1:And then Jacoby, you really like AI, so are there any AI questions you have for Nimrod as well? Well, I didn't want to take up an hour and a half talking to him, so are there any AI questions you have for Nimrod as well?
Speaker 3:Well, I didn't want to take up an hour and a half talking to him. That's the thing. I kind of wanted to do that on the back end or whenever he had another time. But I do have a lot of questions. Mainly, are you hiring? You're laughing, but I'm not. I'm genuinely asking when are you based? Where do you say you're based? I'm based in West Virginia right now.
Speaker 8:In West Virginia. So I mean, at one point we will be. Yeah, I mean, if these 90 emails work out, my strategy depends on how much money we raise, but at a certain amount we're going to the US. Now we're going to the US. I'm looking to penetrate the US market through Florida, but it's, you know, beside the point where we hire. But we'll need to build a team there and it's going to include, you know, diverse team with you know, different skills. So, yeah, I'd be happy to discuss that for sure.
Speaker 3:I sent you a connection on LinkedIn about 10 minutes ago, just by the way. Perfect.
Speaker 8:So we can, uh, I'll, I'll give you my contact details and we can make a connection about that gladly. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3:I like I would be more than happy to talk about it, but like right now, just like today, I can if I'm like I'm still. I'm still a little sick, I hear you.
Speaker 1:Well, I appreciate that, dylan. What about you? What are you taking from this conversation? Yeah, I guess I have two uh, curiosities.
Speaker 6:One is you said you at the firm that you're at and are still, I guess, partially with you, broke out the consulting business as kind of like its own LLC. Out of curiosity, just with the structure in that or, I guess, business etiquette where you are, or the terms with the fellow company or the prior company, are you able to reach out to people that you've dealt with and consulted with for seed capital and what you're now going into?
Speaker 8:Yeah for sure. I mean yeah, for two reasons. One, israel is a swampy, tiny place and it does uphold the freedom of occupation as a quasi constitutional right, and it's so small that it's almost impossible to force a non-compete, because you'd be you know. And then the other thing is that I'm an owner of the firm. I'm no longer an employee there. I've been a partner and an owner there for several years and I own the relationships. If they want me to continue to refer clients to them, they're going to have to let me, you know, try to raise money from them, try to test ARC out on them and, frankly, I also built it a certain way where I gave the firm a few percentage points in ARC in consideration for some of their documents.
Speaker 8:One of the challenges that AI companies have, specifically in professional service technologies and legal tech, is that it's not enough to write a strong prompt chain and to develop a lot of AI agents to do the work that the platform is supposed to do. You have to sort of like lock the LLM from all sides. You have to lock it with good prompts. You have to make sure that it's creative only in silos, otherwise it starts hallucinating. You have to make sure that when it conducts research, it's based on the sources that you want it to conduct research in, and you have to make sure that when it churns out documents, it churns them out through a filter of best practice documents that your clients would be used to seeing. Otherwise, when you want wanted to produce a non-disclosure agreement, the basic LLMs will produce an Indian non-disclosure agreement, because most English non-disclosure agreements were written in India.
Speaker 8:So it's not going to say by Indian law, but that's going to be the inspiration statistically. So you want to lock it in with those documents and my firm is 75 years old. It's like a quasi, like cooley or uh latham or wilson sansini. Um, it's not that size, but for israel it is, and if they give us the documents, then uh, then we give them the equity and then it's all.
Speaker 6:It's a lot of incest, business incest, but it works well, it sounds like this works out, you know well beneficial rather than not. Not kind of have a healthy, like co-business or relationship, however you want to call it yeah yeah and uh, it's also curious.
Speaker 6:So you mentioned, with the reserve duty, you're on the uh uab team focus. I mean, I, I would imagine that there's some type of they, they kind of the the military will look at your, your skills and your background and pair that into something you'd be fit with, because it seems, you know, with your focus being on AI to be in a tech-focused area. Was that by coincidence or was there some type of structure in there?
Speaker 8:Yeah, good question. They could do more pairing skills with what people do in reserves duty.
Speaker 8:I don't think they do that. What they do is you have a mandatory conscription when you're 18 until you're 21, for men and for women. It's maybe a few months shorter these days, but it's almost three years. A few months shorter these days, but it's almost three years. They, when you're, when you're 16, you get different aptitude tests, um, and then you get selected into this like uh pyramid where, if you're selected to the top course, you have basically a choice of where to go. If you get eliminated to the top courses are 90 elimination. And then, if you get, if you the top courses are 90 percent elimination. And then, if you get, if you don't pass those, then you go to gen pop, which could be infantry or or um, uh tanks or like armored vehicles, or um or cannons.
Speaker 8:I got selected. I was lucky. I got selected to pilot course, which is the top course in israel. I was unlucky in the sense that I got eliminated within two months. Very much like a reality show.
Speaker 8:And then they, they said, listen, there's a new unit. It was January 2001, march 2001. There is a new unit. We can't tell you what it does, but you have to go there. Don't go to the. I wanted to go to the Navy SEALs. Don't go there.
Speaker 8:I could have volunteered still to one of those special units. I went to this unit, discovered that it was, it was, it was. It's the credit, it's an it's I'm saying this in a good way, it's the mcdonald's version of the predator. Okay, it's like and it's, uh, it's. It's quite an effective machine that has a very significant influence on the battlefield and I did the course there. And once you do the course, that's where you do reserve duty until you are 45, for 30 days a year at least. Now, in the high-tech units, they'll release you earlier because you simply become technologically obsolete. You don't know how to operate the new system.
Speaker 8:So I was released when I was 37. And on October 7th I fell into like a deep state of depression and on October 9th I pretty much volunteered back into my unit, not for the sake of annihilating our enemy annihilating our enemy but for the sake of just being involved in what is our country's defining moment. But you can always ever go back to the unit in which you served during your mandatory service, which is actually not a good thing, because I have developed other skills. I could have helped represent Israel at the Hague when it was sued for genocide by South Africa. I could have helped consult the army on the implementation of, or different use cases of, ai.
Speaker 8:I got a small chance of doing that in the beginning of the war when there was chaos, but at the end of the day, I'm happy to be in my unit. My unit provides a non-commissioned officer like me a vantage point that no soldier or even politician has on the war. It's a really good combination of uh combat involvement and macro like uh bird's eye view of what's going on in this war, which is very important because the misinformation on both sides of the uh of the war and within each side, on both sides of their respective political spectrums, the misinformation is just insane and it can drive you mad knowing that you're being lied to on this channel and on that channel. So I just go back there sometimes just to be in the know.
Speaker 6:Yeah, so it's the relatively best place or it's relatively a good place for you to be compared to other areas. But I guess what you're pointing to also it's like the decisions and based off the tests and times from 16 and 18 to 21 set you for where you're going to be for the next maybe 20, 25 years reserve, whereas a lot of people might go off for university or career paths, go off for university or career pass. Given these, yeah, there might be a good like a midway, like re-aptitude skill program to, so I could see other improvements there as well yeah, the army doesn't do that enough.
Speaker 8:Maybe after this or who knows, we'll see yeah, thank you, that was a detailed answer.
Speaker 6:That was a really good insight.
Speaker 1:I, I'd never, never even thought about that, donnie. What about you?
Speaker 5:great question too yeah this has all been super valuable so far. Um, for me. I've always been interested in ai. Actually, originally I went to school because I want to, uh, develop ais, so I had gone for computer science. Um, but what I'm curious about is being more hands-on with it. Do you have any insights into, I guess, the perspective of what the future of ai looks like right now and kind of the developments and where you see that trajectory going right now, like we have super advanced ai is pretty soon, or the general intelligence what is that like?
Speaker 8:Yeah. So I mean I think that, with respect to technological development on what we call upstream like Meta Grok, copilot, gemini, obviously, openai, claude Lama, obviously OpenAI, claude Lama open sources assume the exponential meaning that we will see. You're already seeing regenerative sort of AI that isn't based on the data set and creates its own information, and at one point, yes, you will feel like it's AGI or ASI. It won't be. I don't think it will be like an aha moment. I think it's just going to be like sort of we'll cross that point without really noticing it. I don't think that's necessarily the singularity per se, the horizon we can't see beyond technologically. I don't know when it's happening. It will happen in the next few years. I think Musk said 29 is an important year With respect to where business is going, I mean, as it evolves.
Speaker 8:What I wrote in my book is that, basically, it might, I mean, forget the end game where, you know whatever skynet it kills all of us. I don't know that's like builds, builds a dyson sphere for itself and burns us in the process. I don't know. Whatever. Let's leave that, let's put that aside. Let's say that n minus one, like right before it does that. It's bliss for all of us. I think that it's it's gonna mine a lot of time for us, so it's going to replace things that take us a lot of time. Then there's a question of what do we do with that time. It that's one. Two, it's going to enable experts in their respective fields to perform better. So if you look at a picture generated by AI, a picture generated by an expert photographer is going to be better than a picture generated by someone who uses AI a lot. An expert photographer will set the parameters the right way. The picture will be better. So it's going to be a renaissance of boomers and experts, unlike a lot of previous technological revolutions which were not, they sort of like, detached that generation from society.
Speaker 8:Three, I think it's going to require a significant change to the education system. I think up until now we were, we could have complained about the education system, but now it just needs an effing overhaul. It cannot last in this new age. Pardon me, I have to take antibiotics, I have a root canal coming One second, and then I mean we can talk about risks later, but with respect to where the world is going, where to focus your time, markets and then that are that are revolve around the subjective human experience of life that ai cannot take away from us, and an eighth market, which is the education tech market. So, and when I say education tech, I mean also something like what dylan mentioned, which is like faster reassigning of people in the army. It's in that world, right, it's in the higher learning space or later in life, but I'm talking about age zero to whenever. And the other seven markets are.
Speaker 8:I think spirituality is going to be on the rise, anything to do with community versus loneliness. Physical pastime, digital pastime, food technologies divided into the enjoyment of food and also just dealing with food, as in cultivated meats, etc. Um, sex tech like sexual wellness technology, not necessarily porn, and rapid uh legalization of much harder drugs than marijuana. That's what I see happening in the next uh 10 years. Um, as AI uh does more and more of coding and stuff like that, I also think that a lot of people will be able to fulfill, will bring basic ideas to fruition much faster, without having the hurdle of having to go through too many coders or developers, and that's going to create like an influx of new single founder companies and there's going to be a lot of noise. In that sense. That's what I believe it's awesome.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've heard a lot about the community one as well, because they're like you can't replace this kind of connection, even though it is virtual. But it is also cool that it is virtual and, yeah, I think the insights are fascinating. And I have heard about the single founder companies. They're talking in 10 years there could be a billion dollar company with one person. Yeah, they'll have all the ai bots. Just do your thing. Um jace, what about you? What do you think about what Nimrod's got going on?
Speaker 7:um, yeah, he answered. He answered like two of the questions I had pretty much. But I'll ask, um, from your standpoint, you know, being an IDF and and being in Israel, um, you know, I'm in, I'm over here in Florida and you know, from what I see online, like you were saying, like there's just so much misinformation and I think some people speak before they, you know, look into things and have an idea of how things are going and and stuff like that. I just, yeah, how do you, how do you handle, I guess, like the psychological impact, just if I don't know, if you feel like sometimes the world is bearing down on you guys or you know, because I've had friends you know follow the whole, you know free Palestine thing and you know it's just like you said, it's just so much misinformation out there and I do a pretty good job of staying off of things and because, because you really just can't even trust anything now, so, um, just kind of like broadly, how do you deal with that?
Speaker 8:yeah, it's a great question um look, if I, if I dive into it, it becomes extremely frustrating, like to a point that it will trigger my. It will trigger trauma, not post trauma, post trauma, in the, in the uh, in the combat soldier, military sense, because I'm not under, you know, physical threat, I'm not being shot at, but rather like this sort of like moral anxiety that causes me to freeze. I'm afraid that any oversimplification of this conflict by an observer does not do it a lot of justice, be it if you adopt a free Palestine approach or the body count approach, or if you adopt the they did all this to us on October 7th and we have to get rid of them until the hostages come back approach, which is the sort of indignant Israel approach. Either way you look at it, it's oversimplifying the situation, which is complicated. That's one, two, I. I think it's futile, uh, to engage in a conversation, the, the purpose of which is to reverse engineer who is just in this war? Um, because israelis will point to to October 7th and what happened then, at which point they will be either challenged that maybe didn't even happen, which let me tell you it did. I've lost friends and I've seen it with my own eyes. People will say that we let it happen. Let me tell you we didn't. My unit killed 246 terrorists on the border in the first hour and a half. Wow, we did respond. We were just equipped to respond to 246 people after for 20 years we weren't attacked by more than three. We just did not equip ourselves to respond to 6,000 people because we missed.
Speaker 8:Intelligence-wise. It happens to Israel once every 50 years. In fact, it happened on October 6th 1973 as well, and it happened to the United States on September 11th. And it happens to countries with the best of intelligence. But then others will say but it didn't start on October 7th, it started because of the occupation. And then you get into this again, futile back and forth of we left Gaza, but the occupation is in the West Bank. But Gaza is an open border, an open air prison, but Egypt is also blocking them. But you know, whatever, there was a pogrom in 1937 against them or against us. You go back in time. It's futon.
Speaker 8:So I welcome any form of scrutiny by. Thanks, donny. I welcome any form of scrutiny on Israel from abroad, especially from allied countries who support us financially and politically. I think we need this scrutiny. I think that Israelis sometimes say that they're the chosen people, forgetting that this is not a. They might say that it's God given. It's not, it's something you got to earn, say that it's God-given, it's not, it's something you've got to earn and you've got to align yourself with certain morals and principles and values. So I welcome the scrutiny if it's educated and based, and I know what I criticize my government for, etc.
Speaker 8:But if you want to talk about this war, I recommend a completely different vantage point or perspective or paradigm, if you will. Here's the paradigm. There's 9 million people here and we're having a great effing time most of the time. We have a great country. It is really good, gdp is high, is the fourth happiest country in the world and growing. The other countries are Scandinavian. It has almost the longest life expectancy in the world. I think it's number three, four or five, almost the highest healthy life expectancy in the world Also in the top five or top 10. It has the fourth bottom deaths of despair in the world, in Israel. So that's suicide and overdoses. It's a country that has the most patents per capita, most Nobel Prizes per capita and most unicorns per capita, by far third to the United States and India. China and Canada are behind us.
Speaker 8:And what am I trying to say? Here we have a really valuable asset that we're holding on to, right. And then we have historical trauma from the Holocaust, regardless of the Palestinians. So we've got this fixation. Then religiously forget which religion is right. There is a land here which has holy sites for Christians, muslims and Jews, and under Israeli rule, christians, muslims and Jews are free to pray in their holy sites. Rule. Christians, muslims and Jews are free to pray in their holy sites. You are not free to go and pray in Christian sites in Iraq and in Iran because they've been destroyed, right, so, etc. So we've also guarded that. And finally, we do have a relative, you know, within Israel.
Speaker 8:I'm not saying the West Bank we have to solve, but we have liberties here that are similar to other Western democracies. We're representatives of Western democracies in a world that is slowly splitting between East and West. What am I trying to say? We're absolutely not going anywhere. There's no chance, biblically speaking, if we're cornered, there will be atom bombs all over the world and it's not a threat. We will simply not give this asset up. So that is the first starting point. You want to say now we can start from there, right? It's the same way as, despite everything that the Americans did to the Native Americans, you're not going to give America back to the Native Americans. It's simply not going to happen. It's done. No matter what injustice was caused, it's done. It's in the past, it's finished. It's three generations past, right? I don't see anybody I know chasing the justice of their grandparents, certainly not their great-grandparents. So that's that so that's that.
Speaker 8:Now let's start dealing with the fact that we have five million people who, at least outwardly, claim to self-identify as a people, palestinians. As a member of an intelligence unit, I will tell you that that is not so simple. They're very tribal and split among themselves, but let's give them that they are the Palestinians. And whoever says there were no Palestinians before 64, when they created the PLO, stuff them. Let's just say they all arrived at a common denominator and they're all Palestinians, and Israelis will not want them to dilute the Jewish vote in Israel, which means that they need an avenue to express certain freedoms, be it under a Muslim autocracy or in a democracy or whatever. There's five million of them. We can't simply ignore that, and it entails a long process to get to that. So far, they've been practicing violent resistance and what it has done is it has put us on the defensive and has made us more righteous and we're stronger, so we're responding accordingly. They refer to their leaders as Mandela's and Gandhi's, but Mandela in his later years was not violent and Gandhi was never violent. I believe that if they manage to, if they're cornered into it or if they're paid for it, if they manage to create a 25-year period of quiet for themselves, they will be able to self-determine and have a nation. And you can see that in the metropolitan cities in the West Bank Ramallah, bethlehem and Nablus are snitching on their friends in Jenin, tulkar, and those are refugee camps in the West Bank so that they don't carry out terror attacks during this war, so that they get to keep their cheese in place, right? So if you get the same incentives in the Gaza Strip, which is now being the fanatics are being ripped apart out of there, then you have a chance at that.
Speaker 8:So I'm hoping not for peace in my time, I'm just hoping for just peace and quiet for 20 to 25 years. Mind you, last point everything you're seeing here is simply one front line of a global war between East and West. There are functioning autocracies and dictatorships governing hundreds of millions of people, starting from China in the East, and they are functioning. They are functioning and there's Western liberal democracies and we're in one front line, and there's another front line in the Ukraine, another frontline in the Ukraine. If Israel wins this war and signs the Abraham Accords with Saudi Arabia, it will connect between the Western world and the most important country in the world, far more important than the United States and China combined, and that is India. India will be connected through Saudi Arabia to the Western world and will be able to provide its natural resources through a clean gas pipe to the Western world. What?
Speaker 8:that does is it renders the non-functioning autocracies of Central Euroasia, which is Russia and Iran. It renders them irrelevant. Which is Russia and Iran? It renders them irrelevant. Their people have been brain-drained. The smarter Russians have left to the US, to Israel, to Europe. The Iranians have been destroyed by the Shiite IRGC and all they have to sell you through dirty gas pipes is oil and gas. And they are the ones who are on their back heels. And that is why you see Putin amending the nuclear strategy law. That is why you see him testing nuclear missiles. That is why you see him strengthening his partnership with North Korea and the North Koreans testing nuclear missiles, with North Korea and the North Koreans testing nuclear missiles.
Speaker 8:And in my humble opinion, it ends with Israel signing the Abraham Accords and with China reeling Putin back for money in exchange for the world looking the other way when it takes over Taiwan. That's, in my opinion, the endgame. And then your next. That's, in my opinion, the end game. And then your next forefront of World War three. Point two is in Africa and that's sort of like sets the whole conflict. It removes the religious discussion. It puts Israel in its place. It's just tiny forefront with the Palestinians. There's bigger things at play here.
Speaker 7:Wow, yeah, that was incredible. And you mentioned you said, the oil running from India to Saudi Arabia. Yeah, Saudi Arabia Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, don't worry, worry chase.
Speaker 8:I recorded it so if you want to listen back but you definitely can, I think it's clean gas. I don't know that they have oil, but uh, when you hear about there being islamic riots in bangladesh, yeah, that is that. That is not spontaneous, that is geared at destabilizing India, because this is where the front is shifting to. When you hear India going to the BRICS conference, that is India showing the Western world that they can play both games if the Western world doesn't compensate them enough. So it's really very complicated and we're just stuck in the middle of it and really, our people and the Palestinians, they're leaders and also our leader, but our leader in a bit of a more elegant sort of within the democratic laws. They're weaponizing religion and justice in this, when actually it's all about assets. When you have the Hamas and its leaders and the Hezbollah and its leaders, worth a total of 14 or 15 billion dollars among five people, you that that something's wrong, because they didn't, they don't own spacex. They're just, you know, taking a cut for doing whatever they need to do.
Speaker 7:Um wow, see, and that and that did. That did tie in perfectly to the question too, because you know, like you know, like'm not, what you said makes total sense when, when, when I, when I you know, keep in mind what I knew, and then you know what you're saying. And I think that that's just so important for people to know too, because you know, people really do think it's just all about you know religion and um, you know religion and um, you know, whatever you know and whatever else, but you know there's there's a bigger picture and uh, yeah, you, you said that you know really well.
Speaker 8:So religious, religious scholars have a have a really good um way of reinterpreting the different testaments to fit, to fit certain agendas, right? How is saudi arabia suddenly pro-israel as the indigenous people of the land of israel and willing to sign the abraham accord soon, yeah sure, paying some political dues regarding first it'll be a palestinian state or the uh discussion about it? How is that? How are christians, who for a thousand five hundred years blamed the jews for selling out jesus, how are they suddenly, you know, seeing, seeing this other cheek love your neighbor like you love yourself. You know, don't be an asshole, don't murder, kill, don't murder, steal or, you know, do or lie. But when they're within that realm of or be grateful, right. When they're within that realm of bestowing values, they're great. But otherwise, the other aspects of these religions they're used to weaponize the masses and the poor specifically.
Speaker 6:I would say an interesting place the East and West and the reshaping of the world balance, because I think the driver and the catalyst of what's going to separate that in the next three to five years is AI, that's the new industrial. Like World War II was won because of the industrialization of the United States and its factories into.
Speaker 6:You know GM and all the other factors making tanks, weapons, this and that the AI difference is what does it now? And that's why I like Palantir, the CEO. He's very open in his stance in the world order and the East and West, and putting it in the hands of the right people and governments. And you do have to make a decision as a business who you operate with and where your values lie. There's a lot more, there's a lot of depth in every perspective, but it comes down to a more of a core set of morals and values and beliefs between people.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. Let's get to Solomon really quick, because I know he still hasn't asked the question and I see he's taking notes, so it might be a detailed one, and then we'll try to get this going. Yeah, can you hear?
Speaker 4:me Yep, yep, cool. So thanks for coming on. You have really interesting expertise in two areas that I'm very interested in, and so it's been very innovating listening to the conversation so far. I have two follow-up questions regarding AI and then a three-part follow-up regarding the geopolitical summation that you were giving. Regarding the geopolitical summation that you were giving. So, firstly, regarding AI, it's really gratifying you know so.
Speaker 4:I work in STEM, but I'm actually terrible at math, and so it's been very gratifying to hear somebody who has expertise in this area confirming some of the notions that I had. In particular, I think that you're spot on with this idea that the future of AI isn't in bigger models where it's like we have like 18 terabytes of data that we've trained it on. It's going to be finding like these niches where you can train it really really well on a specific subset of data. So, like I mean you the way you said it like uh, training a model to write the best legal deposition that you possibly can, um, or one of uh one of the other ones that, uh, I've been thinking about is um, like in medicine like train it to be like the doctor puts in.
Speaker 4:I'm seeing these symptoms pull up, everything that's ever been associated with these symptoms, and so I think that that's definitely I agree with your assessment there. I wonder if you could speak to the how, I guess the business structuring side of this. Do you see this as something where it's like it's like right now the publicly available, like chat, gpt is like pay 20 a month for the membership. Do you see that as the future? Or maybe something more like, uh, with scientific journals, where it's like you go to the university or the hospital or whatever it is and like, hey, I have a proprietary AI model that will make your doctors or your professors or whoever it is, work more efficiently.
Speaker 4:That's question number one. Secondly, I was curious. You brought up education and I was wondering whether you could speak to differences in Israeli education versus American education. Could speak to differences in Israeli education versus American education? I think that most people are dissatisfied with the course that education has been taking, generally speaking, but I don't know whether, at least in America, I strongly feel like there's not a coherent diagnosis of what the problem is or know what should be addressed.
Speaker 8:Yeah, um, and I will see if I can yeah go ahead I'll answer these two, and then I'm happy to also, okay, geopolitical related or war related questions. Um wow, man, jury's completely out. I have no idea what's going to happen. I know that. You know, my company has my company, ark. It competes with law firms. So all we need to do is break the hourly model and charge fixed cost or subscription and companies will slowly come to us. Note that, if they do come to us, I believe that we will need expert humans, expert rainmakers, who are very expensive, to own the relationship with the client.
Speaker 5:So it's not a.
Speaker 8:SaaS startup that has a successful sales salesperson it's it's uh. It's partners in law firms who make between a million and two million dollars a year, who are salespeople for arc, making them their money through the equity uh. To get subscriptions um. On the other hand, posterity sells a book for 20 bucks a pop um. And upsells by distribution audio books, podcasts based on the book, etc.
Speaker 8:Enabling you to develop an AI model, an LLM, because there's not enough developers who actually know how to develop the LLMs and it still costs 20 to 50 million bucks VC investment to develop a good LLM in-house.
Speaker 8:So what you're going to see is that the companies that are building skins or platforms on top of existing LLMs it would be prudent of them to develop what we call LLM agnostic strategies so that for each task, you go to GPT-4.0 and Claude, if it's creative. You go to GPT-3.5 and perplexity, or Gemini and perplexity if you're doing research. And then you've got backups to them and you've got an AI that actually does benchmarking of the results right. So you're completely agnostic and you can switch around and go back to open source if they all shut off on you, so you're not dependent on one of them, those apps that will build something on top of GPT. They're dead if GPT sneezes a similar app to the public. So that's in terms of the business model. When AGI does your own AI model, I don't know, that's singularity, I have no idea. But I think that, on a global scale, that's when we get the Dyson sphere. Well, right before the Dyson sphere, we get universal basic income right.
Speaker 6:Because we're picking up money.
Speaker 8:So at least we're cutting a check, I don't know every month. So that's that. Israel versus US education. We're both screwed. We built this country to do all the great things that I described earlier. We cut a lot of corners, like we copied corporate laws from England and sort of merged them with Delaware. We copied the education system from the united states. It's all memory based. They just teach shit to remember and uh, we go to school, to exams and that's it. Two advantages in israel are one what hour, till what hour do you study? Typically at school? Up until high school, like what's the day? Look like it's like 9 am. To what until? Like 2 30 it's like 2 30, so in israel.
Speaker 8:It's like 8, 39 to 12 31. You spend more time at home, uh, so that's where you sort of learn more. And the other thing is the army. The army is a melting pot. Israel has very little poverty and man-on-man crime and a very high percentage of people go to higher learning institutions because of the army. The army sort of does a catch-up for people who would have otherwise lost. But the education system here needs to undergo as much of an overhaul as the education system in the US.
Speaker 8:There is a place that I was impressed with. It's Australia. Australia's education system is very interesting. Teaches thinking, teaches sort of like values. It's multidisciplinary, um, very interesting to look at. Also needs to incorporate, you know, a ai into all of its. Teaches a lot of arts and and music and stuff also, uh, needs to incorporate a lot of ai. Frankly, all the systems are not good enough the moment. They're still hinging on industrial revolution settings, which is like to prepare you for an orderly world. They're not hitting the mark. That's not the world you're going out to. It's complete chaos outside, um. So, yeah, I can't say very good things about the education system in israel. It's a. There's just some catch-up points when you're spending time at home and in the army and what about the geopolitical uh slash war?
Speaker 4:yeah, I think the um idea of the army is like a sort of universal social education. Seems like a big value add.
Speaker 8:Yeah, Ben-Gurion called it a melting pot.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it sounds like I mean you've got, presumably you know, people who maybe didn't do so well in school.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 4:People yeah, you got AI yeah.
Speaker 8:You got gangsters here who suddenly are doing really well. Yep. Absolutely.
Speaker 4:It's so do it? Can I, can I, yeah, yeah, yeah, so Do I, can I, can I, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it struck me that, in a lot of ways, the, or what you know, in a lot of ways, the dichotomy, the key dichotomy with regards to Israel and Palestine is not Israeli versus Palestinian, it's Palestinian versus Arab. So the more that Palestinians are, or the people, let's say people living in Palestine, are identified as Palestinians as opposed to Arabs, as palestinians as opposed to arabs, and that gives room for countries like saudi arabia to distance themselves from it, because then they don't have to position themselves as, like, the defenders of the arrow. You know the arab race. At the same time, I was, uh, one of the things that was. There were kind of two things that were refreshing listening to you talk. One of them was you have a very positive outlook, I think, about ai, but then you also seem to have a much more um, bullish isn't the right word, but uh, in regarding the russian war or the russian war zone um I.
Speaker 4:I think that your analysis from what lines up much more closely with my own than mine does with people around me.
Speaker 4:I guess which is that this is a war of desperation. Um, you know, they are looking at their demographics and they're saying all right, if we're going to do this we got it is now, and so they're launching, and so the regardless of what the outcome is, I think in some ways, ways, russia is going to be in a weaker position. And the thing that was striking to me in both of those is that there's a kind of elephant in the room, and I was wondering if you could speak, or maybe we could say, a turkey in the room, and I was wondering if you could speak to what the Israeli relationship with Turkey is, and I was wondering if you could speak to what the Israeli relationship with Turkey is especially given you know, as I think you're probably well aware, the Crimea has historically been a region, and the broader Black Sea region has been one of Turkey's primary kind of power centers.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so do it that way, you will.
Speaker 8:Yeah, interesting, interesting. Bring Turkey into the mix. Very important country with history as an empire that's still lurking in the back of their minds the Ottoman Empire. That is the empire that defeated the Roman Empire, that took down Constantinople after 1,465 years. So they have a lot of pride. Yeah, I'll go back, I'll say it, I'll address everything you said.
Speaker 8:The Palestinians are Arabs who lived in the land of Palestine, mostly the land of Palestine being the land that includes Israel and Jordan, according to the Brits, and was Palestine parenthesis Eretz Israel on the coins the land of Israel. Sign parenthesis Eretz Yisrael on the coins, the land of Israel. It was just named Palestine by the Brits as a spite to the people there, bringing back the name of the Philistines, who have nothing to do with either the Palestinians or the Israelis. So that's just a funny point. They are Arabs who live here. So that's just the funny point. They are Arabs who live here. They are by now, 50 years in, 60 years in. They are united in their sort of like by their refugee status, which belongs to them thanks to UNRWA and the UN. No other people in the world get to bring down from generation to generation their refugee status, but it is a fact, it is uniting them, so we have to respect that. Okay, and then nobody wants them back. And the reason nobody wants them back is that the Egyptians do not want to destabilize the population in the Sinai and in Egypt and the Jordanians are already 70% Palestinians and the kingdom is barely controlling that population. They don't need another 3 million more. The Lebanese want to go back to being Paris of the Middle East. They don't want the few hundred thousand Palestinians who are refugees there. So they are stuck between a rock and a hard place and for that reason, and for that reason alone, they need some form of governance. You can't just have human beings not, not not even being able to drive around. But they have to accept and there's a problem in the middle east because respect and dignity is a big deal they have to accept the fact that it can't be with with with a military and with a capability to uh perpetrate what they did to us over the last 75 years. It's very traumatic to the people here. They can wait 30 years and then go to a normal conventional war with us. Fine, we've been to a few wars and, yeah, the Arab world has a complicated relationship with the Palestinians because it wants to help them so that they do not end up being refugees in their countries. And yeah, that's just the case.
Speaker 8:There's a lot of hegemony in the other parts of the Arab world. There's delicate control by the different kingdoms and emirates and all that stuff. Respect to Russia? Yes, I think it's a war of desperation and it also has to do with the age of their leader who wants to leave an imprint. I think it's going to go either way. Either they get paid by China china crap loads of money for their, for their oil and gas or they go back to being a democracy. They gravitate back to being a democracy, like in the late 80s when they broke the berlin wall. It go either way depends on the leadership. Um, but uh, a lot of the um strong-illed, more liberal people there have fled.
Speaker 8:Turkey is very interesting. I think that the past is weighing down on them. Their imperial past is weighing down on them. But I think that most of the tax paying population in the tourist centers and in Istanbul does not support Erdogan and wants Turkey to gravitate to Europe and geographically speaking, that makes sense for Turkey. So Turkey seems to be playing both fields, or all fields. So Turkey seems to be playing both fields, or all fields.
Speaker 8:What they are saying verbally does not coincide with the fact that not only do they export and trade with us, they actually buy defense and military technologies from us. So there is a very big. What you see is not what you get with Turkey, and they could switch around If they go more fundamentalist, if they get hurt by Europe enough times and they go too much to the right, to the religious right, then, yeah, they could turn around. But I don't think the Europeans are going to let that happen, because that's going to be a far bigger thorn in in europe's ass than it is for israel. They need to send flotillas to get to us. They can't have a ground war with us. There's no, there's no world where that happens. They're barely controlling the kurds in in at their west.
Speaker 8:I think turkey speaks a big game, but eventually gravitates towards Europe and the Western world, which will eventually accept them. It's a gamble, though. Really, turkey is almost like a flip of the coin for me when I think about it, but I'm looking at the facts. We keep trading with them. Bless you the Turks who are in the tourist industry and the tech industry. Keep trading with us, you have to assume that those are the Turks who also pay taxes. This influences Erdogan. So he says what he needs to say for the rural or the more religious fanatics. But in the metropolitans, where taxes are paid, they want peace and quiet. They don't want this shit.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 8:And Erdogan doesn't have an IRGC guard right. Iran has two armies, two full-on armies. The Iranian army did not fire 500 missiles at Israel. It did not. The IRGC forces fired 500 missiles at Israel two completely different entities. Forces fired 500 missiles at Israel two completely different entities. The Iranian army may fire some missiles at us because in our retaliation strike we killed six operators of S-300 air defense missiles who were coincidentally members of the Iranian army, which caused the IRGC to force the Iranian army to take part in the response. The Iranian army does not want to respond to Israel, does not want a conflict with Israel.
Speaker 8:Israelis were flying to Tehran in 1979, up until the revolution to dance there in clubs and to do business there. These are people, the Persians are people who are like. Like if Russia gets bought by China to not drop nukes on all of us, iran is more likely to turn democratic or go Western liberal. The people there, the core of the people there, they want that. When you see a woman who gets beaten up for not wearing a hijab and then you see, after the Israeli retaliation, you see a woman walking around in a bikini, despite the Shah, the Ayatollah, that means that there's a change there. That's why Netanyahu speaks to the Lebanese and speaks to the Iranians over the IRGC and over the Hezbollah respectively. He believes that we have a common denominator and can make peace there.
Speaker 1:Wow, nimrod, you're incredible.
Speaker 4:Thank you, that was very interesting. I have 10 minutes left.
Speaker 1:Nimrod, you're incredible. Thank you. That was very interesting. I will we all. I have 10 minutes left. I have this other call at seven, so I also don't know how you keep all the ideas in your head at the same time. I'm looking at my notes trying to keep up with Solomon's question and I'm like this is a lot going on. But we'll hop into the greatest benefit of this conversation. So this is everyone's biggest takeaway. Then we're going to do action step and then gratitude. I'll start off with. The greatest benefit for me has been the group asking incredible questions and Nimrod being able to answer all these. It's been absolutely amazing to hear, and there are a lot of subjects that I would never touch on, so I thought that was pretty amazing. Chase, for you, what's your greatest benefit of today?
Speaker 7:So I thought that was pretty amazing, chase, for you. What know, giving us that information because you know, you know I'm one of those people that don't like to just post things online just because it makes you feel good or whatever. You know I like, you know I like, and giving us those answers because you know it gave me some stuff to look up and be more interested about. So thank you for your time, man.
Speaker 1:Cheers, absolutely, dylan. What about you? Yeah, it was your greatest moment.
Speaker 6:I really appreciate you being on the call, nimrod. It was just interesting for me because like it's kind of crossroads of a couple of things that I've put a lot of research into this past year. I'm not a tech savvy guy and I'm finance driven, commodity side and became very intrigued by AI over the past three to four years and more recently the past year through investments and whatnot. So between that and then obviously any because I'm in commodities brokerage any geopolitical aspects and war issues in the Middle East and Russia, Ukraine really impacts just the business. I've been getting more informed in that aspect. But it's nice to hear a kind of like on on ground, firsthand perspective and from someone who has such a, I guess, vast historical and geopolitical knowledge. And I also think just like being on the call is nice for a couple of reasons.
Speaker 6:You know, in the us, like I, I travel a good bit and whenever I speak, speak with international backpackers, whether it be people from Australia or all over areas of Europe or the middle East.
Speaker 6:It's just so nice to talk to them about global issues because, especially in Europe and the middle East, when you're in the midst of things, you pay some more respect to the history of nations and the relationships between one another, like in the U? S, were kind of isolated in a way, despite having such a global impact. Like you, if you, you know, go up to people on the street and you try to ask them to explain the issues and the conflicts in the Middle East or Russia, ukraine, they'll have no idea and most repeat, regurgitate something from the media which is all you know now. It's just talking heads and, and, you know, for entertainment and clicks, it's not you know, people with genuine perspective on this. It's just nice to have that, I guess, firsthand, and you brought a lot of value to the. The conversation makes me want to research and learn a lot more when I need the right places to research, because it's not. It's not from the sources we have here.
Speaker 1:Thank you absolutely and nimrod's also super. Uh, he's super helpful. So, like we'll see if we can get his email or something and you guys could reach out to him afterwards, solomon, or I think I dropped his linkedin so you could definitely connect with him there. Solomon, what's your greatest benefit of today?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I think just the well. I guess the blend of insights that you have is really energizing, because you're, on the one hand, ai is kind of this very particular technology, very particular technology, um, but then you also are able to bring this very uh wide lens geopolitical aspect, and so it's very interesting to hear the synthesis of those two perspectives so thank you appreciate it absolutely, and it looks like nimrod dropped his email and phone number on there and then for you guys on the call, I'll buy, I'll get you guys all the prompting happiness.
Speaker 1:I'll send that your way because I appreciate you hopping on. Absolutely, jacoby. What about what says?
Speaker 3:you. Hey, my greatest benefit honestly I mean obviously outside of nimrod is just talking to someone who has, I would say, a history and a path in both paths that I'm looking to go down, because I'm actually like looking at my master's degree and I wanted to well, like the only question that I really had, that like well, besides, like the, the Israel stuff, but outside of everything you talked about, it's like what made you decide to go to. I'm not going to ask that right now, but the point is I'm getting to talk to Nimrod, someone who's not only going into AI right now but also has an extensive history in law. So I just feel like that's very interesting, especially since I was, like two of the roads that I'm currently going down.
Speaker 8:Absolutely. I'm still intrigued. What made me decide to go to where? To entrepreneurship or to the army?
Speaker 3:To law school.
Speaker 8:Oh to law school. Very simple, I grew up a little bit in Australia. When I returned to Israel to do my last year of high school I felt like I needed to catch up on Hebrew and I couldn't take the burden of learning computer science together with learning relearning Hebrew. So I took social studies and I couldn't like develop that into like a good degree in like computer programming. So I wanted to hone my English and my you know whatever personal skills making friends and do business the other way. So I took law and business management. Today I would probably do law and economics just for the sake of using them as tools in business.
Speaker 8:I got sucked into the law firm because the first few companies that I brought as clients became very successful and I realized I wasn't going to get paid nearly as much anywhere else and I got stuck in a golden cage and in a time where still career paths, you know, you sort of like a lot of people were still staying in the same place for 10, 15 years. If I was in the same position today, where people change jobs every two or three years, I probably would have left after two or three years as well.
Speaker 3:I mean like are you on WhatsApp by chance or no? Yeah.
Speaker 1:He dropped his number and add an email. You have to hit him up on WhatsApp. Do not hit him up through the other one, cause you'll get fees, number and email. You have to hit him up on WhatsApp, do not hit him up through the other one, because you'll get fees left and right. And then, jacoby, just real quick I'm doing this order right now because I want to get it done Is yours 1205, healy.
Speaker 3:Court. Yes, okay, yep.
Speaker 1:Okay, and then, nimrod, what's your greatest benefit of today?
Speaker 8:Oh, the questions were amazing. I mean Jacoby agreeing to lend an ear, the insight on. You know, I actually might go back to my commanders and discuss with them. Reassignment, mid-reserve duty Question about Turkey challenged me very much. I got to really dive deep into topics that are, you know, very interesting to me. It was just open conversation and for me it's also great to be able to speak with people from all over. For me it's also great to be able to speak with people from all over and at the end of the day, a lot of what I have is educated opinions, but they're still opinions. So, you know, seeing people's reactions when I convey them is also a little bit of a's to thoughts that sometimes drive me insane.
Speaker 8:I'm in a country at war. A lot of the people here are, you know, like, like, like, fanatic fans of a sports club. You don't diss the sports club mid game. You don't like. You don't come balanced, you come with face paint. You don't like you don't come balanced, you come with face paint. So it's so. I want to. I want to have conversations that, you know, analyze the game rather, and it's cool that at least two people heard. You know one of them had a dnd map and the other was developing a game. So you know people are clearly able to see, and even you know dylan's view, the. You know people are clearly able to see and even you know Dylan's view of the stock market commodities. People are able to see the big picture in other, in other, through other entities, like through and not and not just bring it back down to like emotions all the time, which is just not the driver for why things happen absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 1:I love that, and it's so true when you do get to validate your thoughts, because I know we're all in our heads and we have so many thoughts. Have an open conversation like this is absolutely amazing. So let's get into action steps really quick and, um, yeah, so this is what you're going to do this week. I don't know where you guys will take this, but we'll take it wherever it goes. Dylan, what's your action step for the week? Um?
Speaker 6:yeah, it's kind of tough. It just brought us action step tonight, work out again. I'm back in the workout routine and I'll listen through to the pound to your earning call. But the conversation has me looking to reshift some of my portfolio, buy some more long-term calls and this conversation here at a time that kind of reinforces everything that I'm looking at on that front.
Speaker 1:Absolutely Chase. What about you? What's your action step?
Speaker 7:Last week I was pitching a couple bigger jobs to some existing clients. You know, I did get one to kind of go through not the biggest job, but it was, you know, something other than just long hair trimming stuff like that. So, um, I just kind of want to keep that up this week, um, because obviously I hadn't hit everybody with it, and, um, just kind of want to get see if I can just score like a real big, like you know, landscape design, um kind of kind of on my own, like presenting it to somebody. So, um, I'm gonna give that a whirl, try to get, try to try to get the big one. So absolutely.
Speaker 1:And the other big thing to remember chase, you don't um, no matter how big the jobs are, the bigger the job, you going to get more rejections, right, but it doesn't matter, because once you get that one that hits, you're like good, we have someone who trusts with us and we'll ride with that, and that one person will pay off for all the no's that you got. So I think that's important.
Speaker 7:That's kind of like what I learned last week too, so I definitely agree with that. I got a little bit more comfortable with it, Cause I'm trying to just be a little more intentional with that part of the sales too. You know like you should be doing that every week, multiple times a week, so kind of just make it a thing.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, absolutely, solomon. What about you?
Speaker 4:I'm trying to make 10 contacts that they're overlapping. Good solomon, good yeah yeah, I'm just gonna align my uh my action step for for, uh, our private, our 101 and for the group, call let it ride, jacoby.
Speaker 3:Yeah, peaches yeah mine, honestly, is just to be a bit more intentional with my current goals, because the more I think, the more new stuff I come up with. So I'm just gonna try and focus on what I got. What I got going on it's a lot of effort I love it.
Speaker 1:And Nimrod, what about you?
Speaker 8:I got to get these emails out to investors for both of my companies. I've been procrastinating and now they're all drafted. Half of them are drafted. I want to send them out and then I want to follow through on it. With respect to what Jacoby said, I'll just share my screen because I also have a ton of ideas. I don't know if you guys use Notion, but if you don't, that's the best one, sorry.
Speaker 8:So there you go. So this is like me. I divided my life into like personal money, professional author and publisher, impact stuff, ideator this is where I shove ideas so that I feel like I gave them, you know, their the respect they're due. And then you can see different things here that are being written. So it's your own, like personal wikipedia and uh, it's it's and you can also track. You know whatever mind and body relationships, etc. So I recommend, if you have, if you find yourself like succumbing to attention deficit disorder and you're coming up with ideas, just respect them, write them down, but put them in the ideator section until they grow into something bigger absolutely, by the way, then you can feed that shit into gT and tell it to act like you as an extension of yourself.
Speaker 1:I love it. I love it. Okay, let's close it out with gratitude. What are you guys grateful for? Chase? What about you? I'm going to get these orders in, don't worry, I'm working on this ordering thing right now.
Speaker 7:I'm grateful for this cooler weather, you know.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, Dylan. What about you?
Speaker 6:uh say, grateful for, for freedom of speech, you know, to express ideas and opinions and beliefs, and it's been a weird, you know, election week in the us. You know a country that's built around those those ideas and feels like you can't have a conversation with a lot of people, so absolutely absolutely um solomon.
Speaker 1:What about you?
Speaker 4:uh, this is one of those days I'm I'm grateful for zoom I love it.
Speaker 1:Jacoby, what about you? Oh, chase said his phone died. Oh, chase was so passionate he got his girlfriend, his fiance, to text me that his phone died because he felt wrong leaving early. His phone just died though. Uh, jacoby, what are you grateful for I?
Speaker 3:said I'm grateful for uh pto.
Speaker 1:You're learning about it. Good, Nimrod. What are you grateful for?
Speaker 8:This session and, having still high energies, sometimes I dip in this war. So I hope to keep that and I'm grateful for having it throughout this week yeah and for not being in a tunnel in Gaza.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, guys, I appreciate you all for hopping on. The other thing I wanted to say is next week I'm going to move the meeting to Tuesday, just scheduling there's like Veterans Day, so I'll just move it to Tuesday and the other big, thing, what, what?
Speaker 6:you got any plans this weekend?
Speaker 1:got some plans. I got some plans. I'm getting uh, I'm getting married this weekend. So we got some plans.
Speaker 1:Oh my god amazing yeah I've had to reschedule, I've had to adjust, we've had to move things. It's been a process but it's happening and we got the marriage license today, today, this morning, and, um, yeah, no, I'm super excited and for you guys, make sure, nimrod gave you the information, he gave you the phone number, gave you the email. So reach out to him, don't be shy. He's super kind and like don't let this conversation be the only one. Is basically what I'm getting at now. I'm getting madison. We have a wedding planner at seven, but you guys, I do have to go.
Speaker 1:I do appreciate you guys. Nimrod, you are incredible. I can't believe it's 2 am. Solomon, you're the man we will talk soon. Guys. Appreciate you all.
Speaker 2:Have a good one peace bye-bye, good luck, the election day.
