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The Other Side of Potential
Over time, the conversations we choose to have begin to reflect what matters most.
If you’ve been part of this podcast, you’ve heard me speak about human development, systems thinking, and the ways we make meaning of our lives and work. That work continues—and remains at the core of my coaching and professional practice.
What has changed is the space where I am choosing to have a different kind of conversation.
After the death of my son, Michael, I felt called to create a more personal place—one that speaks directly to the experience of loss, and to the questions that emerge when life no longer looks the way it once did.
That space is now Beyond the Loss.
This podcast is for parents who have lost a child, and for those who support them. It is not about fixing grief or finding closure, but about understanding how we continue to live, to make meaning, and to become—after loss.
If you are looking for my current podcast,
you will now find me there.
I invite you to join me on Beyond the Loss.
You are welcome.
The Other Side of Potential
Episode 176: Conscious Anti-Racism with Jill Wener
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Medicine, meditation and anti-racism work are not an obvious combination of career paths, but today you’ll hear how Dr. Jill Wener has integrated all three to enact change in the world. You’ll hear the story of how she discovered meditation after a period of burnout, before writing a blogpost offering hope after the results of the 2016 election, only to receive strong feedback that has sparked a journey of understanding her own privilege.
Dr. Wener believes that the need to avoid discomfort, which we learn from early childhood, is a part of the problem, and that we are empowered to do better when we learn to distinguish between discomfort and fear. Dr. Wener shares why her work is unique, and the knowledge that she and her business partner, Maiysha Clairborne bring to the table.
We touch on the mechanisms used in DEI work, and Dr. Wener gives us an overview of how the tapping technique can be used to manage stress in a formulaic way. She believes racism is a systemic problem that needs to be solved by all of us and we discuss the history of segregation that has led us to where we are today. You’ll also hear why Dr. Wener chooses to use the term ‘anti-racist’ rather than ‘non-racist’. We hope you join us to hear her insights today!
What you’ll learn about in this episode:
- Dr. Jill Wener’s work in medicine and anti-racism along with her business partner, Maiysha Clairborne.
- Her antiracism CME accredited online course which includes live virtual training.
- The story of how she discovered meditation after a period of burnout.
- The blogpost she wrote offering hope after the 2016 election, and the backlash that followed.
- How this sparked her journey of self-discovery and exploring her own privilege.
- Why the need to avoid discomfort is part of the problem.
- Where her work with Maiysha is unique: they are experts in the unconscious mind.
- What meditation does to improve your quality of life and how it improves Dr. Wener’s.
- Why Dr. Wener uses the term anti-racist rather than not being racist.
- How whiteness is the thing that is causing black harm.
- The importance of recognizing the difference between discomfort and fear.
- How DEI work involves applying systems to enact change.
- A history of racism and segregation that has led us to where we are today.
- Why racism is a systemic problem that needs to be solved by all of us.
- How the Emotional Freedom Technique, or EFT, tapping works.
- What the tapping points are and how they serve as a formulaic way to manage stress.
- Where to find Dr. Jill Wener’s work on tapping and anti-racism.