That's a Bad Sign

Murder at Sutton Place (Joey Comunale) and the Ken & Barbie Killers

February 18, 2021 Emily Winchurch & Liz Mahoney Season 1 Episode 25
That's a Bad Sign
Murder at Sutton Place (Joey Comunale) and the Ken & Barbie Killers
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That's a Bad Sign
Murder at Sutton Place (Joey Comunale) and the Ken & Barbie Killers
Feb 18, 2021 Season 1 Episode 25
Emily Winchurch & Liz Mahoney

James “Jimmy” Beaudoin II, was the  surrogate son—and alleged lover—of New York’s “jeweler to the stars.” He went from living a mundane life in Florida to being accepted into New York City's social elite over night. But after a night of partying ending in the grisly murder of Joey Comunale, Jimmy faces a much darker future. Then we detail the rape and murder spree of Canadian serial killers Karla Homolka and her husband, Paul Bernardo (AKA the Ken & Barbie Killers). Was Karla brainwashed to kidnap and torture women for Paul's sick fantasy? Or was she more involved then she originally led on?

Sources:
https://archive.vanityfair.com/article/2020/5/murder-at-sutton-place
https://nypost.com/2019/11/11/dad-of-jeweler-to-the-stars-murder-victim-sues-luxury-apartment-building/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/joey-comunale-murder-social-media-clues-disappearance-apartment-4c/
https://filmdaily.co/obsessions/true-crime/paul-bernardo/
https://delanirbartlette.medium.com/deadly-valentines-the-ken-barbie-killers-390e51e4a966
https://murderpedia.org/male.B/b/bernardo-paul.htm


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James “Jimmy” Beaudoin II, was the  surrogate son—and alleged lover—of New York’s “jeweler to the stars.” He went from living a mundane life in Florida to being accepted into New York City's social elite over night. But after a night of partying ending in the grisly murder of Joey Comunale, Jimmy faces a much darker future. Then we detail the rape and murder spree of Canadian serial killers Karla Homolka and her husband, Paul Bernardo (AKA the Ken & Barbie Killers). Was Karla brainwashed to kidnap and torture women for Paul's sick fantasy? Or was she more involved then she originally led on?

Sources:
https://archive.vanityfair.com/article/2020/5/murder-at-sutton-place
https://nypost.com/2019/11/11/dad-of-jeweler-to-the-stars-murder-victim-sues-luxury-apartment-building/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/joey-comunale-murder-social-media-clues-disappearance-apartment-4c/
https://filmdaily.co/obsessions/true-crime/paul-bernardo/
https://delanirbartlette.medium.com/deadly-valentines-the-ken-barbie-killers-390e51e4a966
https://murderpedia.org/male.B/b/bernardo-paul.htm


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Emily: [00:00:00] Valentine's day everybody. 
Liz: [00:00:05] Yeah. We're having a little Galentine's day, such a cheesy phrase, but whatever. Oh, recommendations first. Yes. I think we have the same one. Yeah. All of you guys are obviously huge, true crime fans. So you probably know about this, but there is a documentary on Netflix about the Cecil hotel specifically centered around the disappearance of Alyssa lamb and her death.
It is fascinating. I mean, something weird is definitely going on in that hotel, but we did an episode. I don't know when it was a few months back about Elisa Lam. Let me just say that my thoughts have changed on the situation mine too. I 
Emily: [00:00:44] thought she was murdered for sure. And now. I think that it was an accidental, drowning.
Liz: [00:00:50] Yeah. So a lot of details come to light. So if you're interested in that case, I would encourage you to go watch it a 
Emily: [00:00:57] second. That I don't want to give another recommendation. No, I think I really think that's 
Liz: [00:01:01] right. Yeah. Double recommendation. So, all right. Well that means we get to cheers and get to the episode.
Let's do it. Cheers.
Emily: [00:01:17] my case today was brought to me by my sister. She recommended I do it because the murder that took place, uh, happened about three blocks away from her apartment. 
Liz: [00:01:28] Uh, uh, New York one, I guess. 
Emily: [00:01:30] Yes. This happened in Sutton place. So that's like Midtown, East. Yeah. So my sister forward me a vanity fair article and it's amazing.
So my sources today include the vanity fair article, New York posts, and also CBS news. So this crime is centered around James Buton, the second, who also better known as Jimmy. He was born in 1991 in Fort Lauderdale, and he was a poor kid who lived in a home raised by a single mother. Then in his early twenties, he decided to leave Florida and moved to New York city.
And there he bartended deejayed worked as a shop clerk at a Ralph Lauren and even tried modeling. But then over time he befriended new York's quote jeweler to the stars who is this person? His name was Jeffrey rack over. So he was just a very prominent jeweler. He even gave Trump that Emerald cut that Melania wears today.
He also was a Juul or for people like Oprah. 
Liz: [00:02:34] And I forget other, but those are some big names. So I believe you, from Trump 
Emily: [00:02:39] to Oprah, it kinda like goes all over the place. This guy, Jeffrey, he was in his mid fifties. He was a lifelong bachelor and he served as a vice-president of the British jeweler house graph.
Then he eventually opened up his own jeweler on fifth Avenue, New York city. So the two met at dinner and they became close. And it said that like, there's such a big age difference between them, that it was more of a father, son relationship. And Jimmy looked to Jeffrey as his makeshift father. 
Liz: [00:03:08] Yeah, just a father figure a 
Emily: [00:03:09] father figure.
I, my brain's clearly not working a 
Liz: [00:03:12] makeshift father, if you will. 
Emily: [00:03:14] He's in the city for about a year and 2013. And Jimmy is sharing apartment with one of his friends, but his friend falls into a drug overdose and he has to go to rehab. So now Jimmy can't afford this apartment or let alone a tiny New York city apartment.
So Jeffrey gives him a spare room in Jeffrey's penthouse. 
Liz: [00:03:35] That's a good friend to 
Emily: [00:03:36] have then by March, 2015. So three years after Jimmy initially got to New York city, he changes his last name to rack over. So he takes Jeffrey's last name. And although Jeffrey doesn't officially adopt him, it's like a symbolic adoption.
And Jeffrey goes around and tells everybody that Jimmy is his long lost 
Liz: [00:03:55] son. Okay. I mean like a little bit 
Emily: [00:03:57] creepy, it's really speculated. I would say half the people, even as friends think that it is a father, son relationship. And then there's the other half who think there is a bit of a sexual relationship and more of a sugar 
Liz: [00:04:09] daddy.
Yeah. I feel like something sounds a little off 
Emily: [00:04:13] neat to this day, the two men deny it and they say it was completely platonic, but I'm just, I'm just giving you all the facts. But now Jimmy is Jeffrey's son, so he no longer has to work. These odd jobs. He enrolls in two semesters at fit. He secures a lucrative job as an insurance broker and overnight he's accepted into Manhattan's high society.
Good for him with this new life comes all these new friends and he befriends this guy named Larry. And I forget his last name and I'm sorry, but. Essentially, he drops all of his friends. He's super wealthy now. And him and Larry are best friends. They go out to the clubs together. They wing, man. They love working out spending money.
And according to one account, they like taking steroids together, 
Liz: [00:04:58] healthy relationship. 
Emily: [00:05:00] I was reading the things they like to do together, and it was like party. Makes sense. Go shopping. Makes sense. Take steroids. I know. I 
Liz: [00:05:07] was actually thinking that as you were listing all of the things they were doing, I was like shopping.
Clubbing, whatever I'm like, that sounds great. And then steroids, you lost me there. That's exactly. When I was reading it, my reaction. 
Emily: [00:05:20] Okay. So now let's get to the infamous night where my crime takes place. Larry and Jimmy aren't even out together. Larry is out and he's out with a friend and they're partying at the gilded Lily, which is a club in meatpacking.
I actually been to before. So it was laughing at that. So around 3:30 AM, the club starts to close and. Larry is outside with his friend max and the two of them are smoking a cigarette. And then they start chatting up three young woman, a man named Joey and another guy who's unnamed. So it's like three crews of people.
Liz: [00:05:52] I think I know this story now that you're saying, yeah, you totally do. 
Emily: [00:05:56] So they decide that they want to post game. They don't want the night to end at three men. Let me just tell you nothing good happens after like 2:00 AM. Absolutely 
Liz: [00:06:04] not. 
Emily: [00:06:04] Larry says, Oh, my friend, he's having a party at his penthouse and his quote, his dad is like some famous jeweler in the city and they're having a big party.
So he invites everybody over to post game and they all get an Uber's and start going to this post game. Now, what I love about this is one of the girls in the cab realizes she's like, we're in a car with complete strangers. I don't know who these guys are. So she takes a picture of Larry and she sends it to her friends and she said, Here's a picture of this guy, his name's Larry, here's the last four digits of his social security number.
So if you need me like I'm with this guy. 
Liz: [00:06:41] Oh my God. That is incredible. It 
Emily: [00:06:44] comes in handy 
Liz: [00:06:44] later. Let me tell you that. Wow. I'm so impressed 
Emily: [00:06:47] with her. So they get to the building and. There's no party and there's no penthouse. They get to the building that Jimmy lives in, but his father is the one who's rich.
And by this time now, Jimmy has a modest one bedroom and the building, but he's not living in this penthouse. But it doesn't seem to bother anybody. They get to his mid-size one bedroom and they all just start partying and doing Coke and hanging out. 
Liz: [00:07:11] Yeah. They're expecting a penthouse and they got a one bedroom.
Emily: [00:07:14] Yeah. And they show up to his like trust fund babies, one bedroom. And also one of the girls later says, Jimmy kept showing off his dad and showing a framed photo of the two of them and telling us that his dad was extremely wealthy. And I just remember thinking to myself, We get it. Your 
Liz: [00:07:29] dad's a jeweler.
And 
Emily: [00:07:31] now by all accounts, it seemed like a normal night. The only weird thing was, and I read about this and I thought, that's, this is tabs. My first instance of tabs was that Larry. So this was the friend who was up the gilded, Lily. He had a pocket knife that he kept bringing it out and playing with and he would offer to like open up people's beer cans with it and he would offer people cocaine and they would do bumps off his knife.
Liz: [00:07:56] Yeah, that's extremely worrisome. If, especially if you hadn't met the guy before, like please put your pocket knife away, sir. 
Emily: [00:08:05] Please take your pocket knife away from my nose, sir. 
Liz: [00:08:09] Seriously, that's close contact. 
Emily: [00:08:11] The party starts to dwindle down. So like I said, there's three crews there. There's Larry and max, the two guys at the club and they met up with their friend, Jimmy.
So Jimmy owns the apartment. So they're all friends. They're like the three Amigos. Then you have these three girls and then you have Joey and his friend. So Joey's friend leaves. So one person's left the party. 
Liz: [00:08:34] Okay. So now that person is the only Joe is the only one left in his crew. 
Emily: [00:08:37] Exactly. Okay. Then 6:44 AM.
Joey and Larry walk outside and walk the three girls out and they escort them into an Uber. And then the two guys walked back into the party. So now the, the girl crew left, so it's just the three Amigos and this guy, Joey. Is this making sense? Yes. Now this gets a little weird four guys are partying, the three Amigos and Joey then max falls asleep.
So now it's just Jimmy, the guy who wants the apartment. Larry has BFF and Joey, the random guy who are awake and still partying. They eventually run out of Coke and Jimmy decides he can go upstairs because his dad lives in the penthouse and he says, I'll go into my dad's safe and I'll grab Coke from here.
Like no worries guys. So he leaves gets Coke and he comes back. I just want to bring that up. Cause that's so crazy. Like who are these kids that they're just getting Coke from their dads? Say, I was just going to say that I cannot stress enough that Liz and I live in New York city. And we do not hang out with this crowd of people.
Liz: [00:09:39] No, we do not. Okay. 
Emily: [00:09:41] They get the Coke. And this is where the versions of the story start to differ. Larry's version is this, he says that. Jimmy came back from gain the Coke and they continued to party. But then Joey, this random kid, his demeanor started to change. He started to provoke Larry saying, Jimmy's going upstairs, get cocaine.
I have cigarettes. What the fuck do you bring to the 
Liz: [00:10:04] table? That sounds like a joke though. 
Emily: [00:10:06] I have no idea, regardless, for some reason, this. Snaps Larry's views. And Larry has a very short fuse. So Larry just starts beating the shit out of Joey for no reason, or because of Joey's comment. Then Jimmy sees that Larry's being up some guy and Jimmy says, Oh, Larry's my best friend.
Now I'm going to start beating up Joey. So on the two of them are just going at it and they essentially just beat this guy till he's unconscious. Then max, don't forget about the kid who was sleeping. Max wakes up and finds his two friends next to a bloody unconscious body. Now, max and Larry have the same version of events.
They say that after max woke up, max was like, what's going on guys? And Jimmy starts to freak out and Jimmy says, I can't go to prison for assault. I'm just going to kill the guy. So nobody finds out. And then Jimmy starts stabbing the lifeless body 
Liz: [00:10:57] on the floor. My mouth is just open because how is that your train of thought, right?
Your dad's also a millionaire. You're going to get a great lawyer. You're probably just get probation, like a fine. So 
Emily: [00:11:08] now it's the three guys and this dead body and max mind, dude, he's been asleep and he just woke up to this. He's like, absolutely not. And 
Liz: [00:11:16] he leaves. Have you imagined you like drunkenly fell asleep somewhere and then you wake up and that's the scene?
No, no, no, 
Emily: [00:11:22] no. That's my biggest nightmare. No Jimmy's version of events is different than Larry's. Jimmy says I went upstairs to get the cocaine from the safe. When I came back, Joey was dead and it was because Larry flipped out and just beat him up and killed him. However, I did help him cover it up. So he says I didn't murder him, but I will admit to trying to cover up my best friend's crime.
Okay. So they're both pointing the finger at each other. And max, who is there is taking Larry side. 
Liz: [00:11:52] That's such good friends after. All right. 
Emily: [00:11:56] Now, when this was happening, motive was a big question. What turned into a bunch of guys partying into one being dead? Like what could have possibly happened? And a lot of people start speculating that this guy, Jimmy, you know, he has a really weird relationship with his sugar.
Daddy, maybe they're all gay. And they made a pass at Joey and Joey declined. So then they decide to kill him. And I remember when I was reading about the story, that's what I read in the press. However, that's later been debunked and people just chalk it up to a bunch of guys. They were coked out and there was a dwindling Coke supply and they just lost it and killed one of their own.
Liz: [00:12:33] Coked out and roided up. Let's not forget exactly. 
Emily: [00:12:37] Wow. I forgot about, so now, as I said, Jimmy admitted to helping cover up the body. So that's my next part of how they disposed of the body. So it's Jimmy and Larry, these best friends, and they try to dismember Joey in the bathtub, but they're just using things like kitchen knives and such.
So obviously they fail. So they wrap him up in saran wrap and a comforter and they scrub and bleach the apartment and they wash and throw out their clothes. And they also dump Joey, the victim, all his clothes and all his wallet and such into the trash bin outside. They then canvas the buildings, hallways searching for an exit that wasn't monitored by cameras.
And then they decide we have to get the body of the apartment. However, we have to wait till it's dark out because this all happened at 5:00 AM. So then it was light. So they hide a few hours to kill. So then they order 
Liz: [00:13:30] Bareburger. Of all things or they're going to at least say like pizza. 
Emily: [00:13:34] Well, I mean, why are you ordering food?
Like there's a dead body in the apartment they're waiting to dispose of it. So they just order in, and then they're just, can you imagine sitting next to your friend eating Bareburger where there's a dead body 
Liz: [00:13:45] in the apartment. They're like, actually I'm going to get the Turkey burger. 
Emily: [00:13:49] Finally, it becomes dark out.
They go outside, they bring the body out of an exit that doesn't have a camera. They take Jimmy's Mercedes-Benz and they put Joey's body into the trunk. They then drive to New Jersey, find a secluded lot and they dug a shallow grave and then set Joey's body on fire. 
Liz: [00:14:08] I don't think that's the best plan. I mean, clearly they didn't watch enough, true crime documentaries to know how to get rid of a body.
And 
Emily: [00:14:14] these guys are just like, I'm going to get away 
Liz: [00:14:16] with it. Let me eat my organic burger while there's a dead body next to me. And then we'll get into my Mercedes. I 
Emily: [00:14:22] hate everything about them. They get rid of the body become Sunday afternoon. Joey's father didn't hear from his son, which was very unlike him because apparently the two talked every Sunday about football.
So instantly he knew something was wrong and he went to New York city to file a missing persons report. That's so sad. So the father and detectives are asking around and quickly they get to Larry because he gave a girl a picture of him, including a social. 
Liz: [00:14:47] So not just mood, if you're planning on killing someone that night, so they easily get to Larry.
I shouldn't be laughing at that, but like serious dumb ass 
Emily: [00:14:56] move. So cops call him and he says, Oh yeah, Joey came over. We're all post gaming. But then we went downstairs to walk the girls out and he went out to get cigarettes and he never came back and the cops say, okay, thank you for telling us this.
We're going to check the security cameras. Cause we want to see which way he went. We want to monitor his movements. So the cops and Joey's father. Go to the apartment complex, to look at the security cameras and they bring around his father because they want his father to identify Joey on the camera.
And they see Joey go outside to walk the girls to the Uber, but then they see Joey turn around and go back inside with Larry. So they know right away, this guy, Larry is lying 
Liz: [00:15:37] to us. Yeah. Like, and they never saw him come 
Emily: [00:15:40] back out. Exactly. So they know something suspicious has happened. And Joey's father is obviously so upset when he realizes something might be wrong.
So he goes outside to make a call, and then he says, he just looks over and he sees garbage men picking up the trash and he just says, stop, no, this is a crime scene. There might be evidence in there. Hell yeah. And he has the cops go out and stop the garbage men. So later the cops examine all the garbage and that's where they find Joey all of his belongings and all the bloody clothes and towels.
And that's when they know. This building is a crime scene 
Liz: [00:16:15] between the girl getting the social number and the father having a hunch about the garbage. We have some heroes in this story. I know 
Emily: [00:16:22] since it's Jimmy's apartment, the cops go rush Jimmy, but they don't have full charges yet. So they arrest him on a driving without a valid license charge, essentially just to keep them locked up, why they try to figure out the case.
But Larry learns that Jimmy's been arrested. So Larry decides he's going to come forward and talk to the police. Now the police, they want to get Jimmy and they think Larry's guilty too, of covering up a body, but they really do think it's Jimmy who orchestrated the whole thing. So they tell Larry that when they try to get Larry to flip on Jimmy and they say things like we know you're a good guy.
We know you're just caught in the middle of something. Don't cover up for a friend. So Larry admits to punching Joey, but he says, but then Jimmy took it from there and Jimmy murdered him and then I helped him cover up. He then gives the police the location of Joey's grave. Wow. So the police arrest, both Jimmy and Larry.
They charged them both with hindering prosecution, concealment of a course and tampering with Evans. However, they don't charge either of them with murder because there's no motive. And these two guys keep pointing the finger. At each other. So the police truly don't know who committed the murder. Yeah.
But then come along Louis Ruggerio, who is Jimmy's former best friend, Jimmy, the guy who owned the apartment complex, the guy who had a sugar, daddy, he's kind of central to this. He was best friends with this guy named Louis in 2016, the two of them started this illegal gambling ring and they lost $40,000.
Some Lewis got really pissed and said, I can't afford to pay $20,000 back to, I don't know, whoever they lost the money to. So he says, I'm just going to tell my parents I'm gone. My parents pay for it. And Jimmy said, no, you can't tell your parents because if you tell your parents, they'll tell my dad and all get in 
Liz: [00:18:11] trouble.
So, so LOL. If I asked my parents for $20,000 to pay off my gambling debt, Oh my God, 
Emily: [00:18:18] it gets even worse. So then Jimmy says to Louis, fuck you. Don't tell your parents, if you do, I'm going to show your girlfriend a videotape. I have a view, fucking a prostitute. This, 
Liz: [00:18:28] guy's not a good friend to anyone. I mean 
Emily: [00:18:31] also bad boyfriend.
Like 
Liz: [00:18:33] everyone's bad in this situation 
Emily: [00:18:34] all around seem like assholes. So obviously the two of them have a falling out and they are no longer friends. Whoever after the murder, Jimmy apparently reached out to Louis and said, I know we're not friends anymore, but I need to see you. Let's meet at the Equinox, 
Liz: [00:18:49] the gym at the gym at the Equinox.
Emily: [00:18:52] Can this story get any more bougie? I know. So they meet there and Jimmy confesses to Louis, he says, or, sorry, Louis. He says we had a wild night. I stabbed a guy. I killed him. I slit his throat. And the worst part is after all of it, I just ordered pancakes and I didn't care. And Louis, thanks. This is a really weird joke, but I don't know why you're telling me this.
And he leaves and Lewis just thinks, I don't know what's going on with his kid. We're not friends anymore. I don't believe a word. He says. Then a few days later, Louis is walking from his therapist office to the Equinox and he passes by Jimmy's building and he sees all the cops there. So he's thinks to himself, Oh my God, Jimmy's telling the truth.
He really did murder somebody. So then Lewis calls his mother. I don't know. I kinda like it. Like if I was in that situation, I'd be so confused. I'd probably call my mom too. 
Liz: [00:19:44] Okay. Fine. Fair. 
Emily: [00:19:45] So he calls his mom and his attorney and then he comes forward and he gives his testimony to the police. Mind you, he had some criminal charges against him for like drug possession.
So I think he got a deal where they dropped those. So he had motivation. He's not just like some good Samaritan, obviously, but now the police can finally charge Jimmy because they charged Jimmy and Larry, but not with murder. So now it's six months later, they go forward and they charged him with murder.
So the trial begins between the brutal murder. The guy's dismembering, a body, the coverup and the confessions. They had a pretty solid case. And also the prosecutor tore apart. Jimmy, just his personality, the way he lived his life. He essentially said, this is just a trust fund baby who thought he could get away with murder?
Let's make sure he does end. And it took the jury five hours to reach a verdict. And they found him guilty on all charges. All of Joey's friends were there and his family and they apparently. Cheered and cried when Jimmy was found guilty, everyone was so happy. And then Larry, he was supposed to have his court date after he realized that Jimmy was found guilty.
So Larry took a plea deal of first degree manslaughter in exchange for 23 years in prison. And then let's not forget max, the guy who fell asleep. I was wondering about him. When the detectives came to him to ask him questions, he would lie to them. He wasn't very upfront. He was trying to cover for his friends, even though we had nothing to do with the night.
So he got six months for one count of hindering prosecution, but he served four months and was released in August, 2019. He'll be okay. All right. 
Liz: [00:21:31] Great. 
Emily: [00:21:32] That is the story that my sister recommended of. Just, I don't even know how to describe it. Like coked out crazy wealthy people 
Liz: [00:21:41] doing crazy things. And that's why we don't associate with those people.
Not because it can't be because we don't have that much money. So I see your wine's empty. Yeah. You didn't take one sip that whole time you were just speeding through 
Emily: [00:21:55] let's refill our glasses, then we'll come back. Let's do it.
Liz: [00:22:07] okay. So like we said earlier today is Valentine's day that we're recording. So I decided to do a killer couple. Can I just say 
Emily: [00:22:17] I'm so upset that I didn't think to do a Valentine's day themed murder. I'm very 
Liz: [00:22:22] jealous. Honestly, I was having a little bit of a roadblock when I was trying to come up with a case.
So I just went with the holiday theme. Love it. All right. Tell me about this killer couple. I am going to cover the crimes of Paul Bernardo and Karla. Homolka AKA the Barbie and Ken killers. Oh no. My sources include film daily.co Delaney R bartlett.medium.com. And Murderpedia. Okay. So quick background on Paul's life.
Paul was born on August 27th, 1964 in Toronto, Canada. Uh, the Bernardo's were a wealthy family and from the outside, it seemed like they had it all together. What people didn't know was that the father of the family was abusive towards his wife and children. He even sexually abused his own daughter. So Paul's sister.
Oh yeah, not good. Paul, apparently wasn't like overly affected by this. He didn't change his behavior. He just kept going on with his life. However, he was very affected when at the age of 16, his mother told him that his real father was actually someone that she had an affair with. That's what affects you?
Yeah. So to me, I'm like, wouldn't, you kind of be happy about that since your dad is a sick fuck. Yeah, I don't know. I guess he felt like his life was a lie. I'm not sure, dude. So his behavior changed pretty drastically. He started being verbally abusive to his mother and then when he got to college, he would pick up women at bars and then when he would bring them home, he would like beat them and humiliate them.
But did he get expelled? I don't think so. There's not really a ton of info on that, but he was clearly a woman hater. Oh my God. However it, Paul was handsome and charming. So he used those traits to Laura women and to be able to manipulate them kind of like Bundy, ESC. Yeah. So in 1987, this is post-college an area of Toronto called Scarborough was plagued by a slew of gruesome crimes.
For example, on May 4th of that year, a woman was kidnapped and brutally raped. And then after that two similar crimes took place during that same week. Oh, The victims were all women between the ages of 15 and 21. And the attacks included beatings, verbal abuse and threats. So the media quickly dubbed this person, the Scarborough rapist.
And during the next five years, Paul would go on to rape and attempt to rape at least 19 young women. Unfortunately, through that time, the police never really linked Paul to those crimes, which is kind of crazy because these are all surviving victims. 
Emily: [00:24:59] Yeah. Like, and no one could ID him. 
Liz: [00:25:02] So anyway, that's a little bit of background.
His life really changes when he meets Carla. So in 1997, this is the same time as he was starting his rape spree. Yeah. Paul's 23 and he made 17 year old Karla. Homolka no, Carla is very pretty young blonde girl and the two have an instant connection. That connection intensifies. When Paul finds out that Carla is into SNM.
Oh no. Carla. So they enter into a sadomasochistic relationship where Paul is the master and Carla was his slave hello, Armie hammer. And during this time it's also reported that Carla knew that Paul was the Scarborough rapist and she approved of his actions. Wait who 
Emily: [00:25:52] like, did she have a job friends, family, 
Liz: [00:25:56] all, all of the above she had, yeah.
She was like a very normal person. And that's crazy. 
Emily: [00:26:04] How did she just be okay 
Liz: [00:26:06] with something like this? I don't know, but she did a pretty good job of hiding all of it from like everyone around her. Eventually the couple got engaged, but at that time, Paul was getting a little bit tired of Carla. He decided he wanted to pursue a sexual relationship with Carla's 15 year old, younger sister, Tammy.
No. So Carla decides as a Christmas gift, she would give Paul her little sister's virginity. No. How disgusting is that? Did they like drug Tammy though? Just wait. So on December 23rd, 1990 Paul and Carla had a party at the Homolka house. So Carla's family's home during the party. Carla spikes Tammy's drink with an animal anesthetic that she had stolen from work because she worked at an animal clinic.
So while their parents slept upstairs, Carla held the cloth soaked in halothane over her sister's mouth. And then she and Paul took turns raping her. Oh, and they videotaped it? No. Oh yes. Tammy eventually started to vomit. So Paul and Carla tried to clean up all of the evidence before they called for help.
So Tammy is eventually taken to the hospital in an ambulance, but unfortunately she dies. She was pronounced dead at the hospital and her death was ruled an accident caused by alcohol poisoning. 
Emily: [00:27:31] So the parents probably think 
Liz: [00:27:32] she's to blame. Yeah, like just a tragic accident when in reality. Their other daughter is to blame.
This is so sick. It is disturbing. And her 
Emily: [00:27:42] parents were upstairs. How so was she just a sociopath chew or do you think she was manipulated by 
Liz: [00:27:47] this guy? I think she's crazy in her own. Damn it. Wow. But like I said, she was seemingly totally normal. She wanted to become a vet. So that's why she worked at an animal clinic.
Like everyone thought she was a very normal person and she had this boyfriend who was charming and handsome and the two are blondes. They were like an, a power couple. Everyone thought, but that was just the beginning. So that whole disturbing event seemed to bring the couple closer together. So they moved in together very soon after then they decided to get another toy quote, unquote for Paul.
And this next victim is known only as Jane DOE Karlyn knew, I guess, just because. They don't want her name in the media because the Carla knew this person. So Karla knew Jane from a pet store that the two used to work at together. And Jane idolized, Carla, because Carla was this older, beautiful girl. I mean, like we all have girl crushes.
Right? Totally imagining like in high school and looking up to a senior and thinking, wow, that person is so cool. I want to be just like her a little too, you know? Yeah. So Carla knew this. So she invited Jane out to dinner and then she proceeded to drug her drink. She took her home and she, and Paul took turns raping her while she was unconscious.
They also videotaped it. Oh my God, James survived. She woke up the next day feeling sore and very ill, but she had no memory of what happened. Where'd she wake up and I would have to assume at their house because how would they have gotten her home? Yeah. 
Emily: [00:29:20] Well, Carla, capacit off. Like you got so wasted and then you kept falling.
You made such an embarrassment of yourself. Totally. You're the little, 
Liz: [00:29:28] girl's not gonna to question it. It would be so anxious and embarrassed. Yeah. But in all of this, the couple was moving forward with their wedding. So they were to be married in June. But two weeks prior to their wedding, they decided to step up their game a little bit, because up until now, they hadn't really intended to kill anyone.
Tammy's death was an accident. I mean, what they did to her was horrific, but they didn't intend for her to die. But on June 15th, 1991, Paul kidnapped, 14 year old, Leslie Mahaffey and things got bad. I would just also like to point out, this is the second episode in a row where I have mentioned the date of June 15th and that is my birthday.
Bad things happen on this day. This is like a, um, a pattern I was destined to be a true crime fan. So Paul kidnaps, Leslie, he brings her back to their house this time. There's no drugs. So Leslie is awake the whole time. She's held captive for several days. They rape her and torture her. And of course they tape it.
But once they get tired of her, they kill her dismember, her body, and then dump her body parts in a nearby Lake. How did they kill her? So the two, eventually when they get caught, they both have different stories. Paul says that they just gave her like a lethal amount of drugs. And Carla says that no, Paul strangled her.
I was going to think strangley yeah, I think that is what I believe. Yeah. So then two weeks later on June 29th, Paul and Carla got married at a lovely ceremony on the water. And on that same day, boaters discovered body parts in the Lake where they had thrown Leslie's body. So while the police are investigating this murder, Paul and Carla are honeymooning in Hawaii.
Holy shit. Isn't that? The most infuriating thing also, 
Emily: [00:31:18] can you picture people giving speeches at the wedding being like you to 
Liz: [00:31:22] make me believe in love, right. And you can see like I'm picturing a movie split screen on the left side. That's the wedding ceremony on the right side. It's these horrified boaters finding a body parts.
Liz, you 
Emily: [00:31:33] should make that moment. Like, that sounds amazing. Like you just described so cinematically, brilliant. 
Liz: [00:31:39] God students were salesy. Maybe Martin Scorsese, 
Emily: [00:31:44] Steven Spielberg, 
Liz: [00:31:45] and Martin mixed them up and made the most incredible movie producer of all time. So in the year, following their wedding nuptials, it is said that the couple of kidnapped and abused to other victims, although those people survived, there's no other info on that.
But then on April 16th, 1992, Paul and Carla drove through an area of St. Catherine's, which is in Toronto. And they were in search of another victim. They spotted 15 year old, Kristin French, walking home from school and decided she was a great target. So they pulled over. Carla got out of the car, holding a map and pretending to need help with directions.
So Kristen agreed to help them with their directions. And while she's looking over onto the map, Paul grabbed her and forced her into the car over the next three days, Paul and Carla tortured and abused her. Her parents immediately call the police when she didn't come home after school, because it only to ever took her like 15 minutes to get home from school.
So that was obviously a red flag for them. So as the police start their investigation into this missing persons case, several people say that they saw the abduction take place from different angles. So multiple witnesses. Right. But they can't give, I mean, they can't link them to Paula and Carla in time.
So Kristen is abused over three days and then they kill her. And then after they kill a Kristin, apparently Carla leaves the room to go do her hair for Easter dinner, with her family psychopath. Yeah. 
Emily: [00:33:17] Crazy. Also two comments as a woman, like you're obviously going to stop for another woman, 
Liz: [00:33:25] you know?
Exactly. I mean, that was clearly intentional that they made Carla be the one asking for help. Yeah. 
Emily: [00:33:31] And then if several people saw the abduction, why didn't anyone stop it? 
Liz: [00:33:36] I was wondering the same thing. And also it didn't say that anyone reported it, like, yeah, they interviewed these people because her parents reported that she didn't come home.
That's crazy around the same time as Kristen's kidnapping and murder, Paul had become abusive towards Carla and Carla's family urged her to leave him and to press charges and abusive. I mean like physically abusive, she had black eyes. So the police end up arresting Paul on domestic abuse charges because she does go to the police.
And at this time they're also still trying to solve the kidnapping and murders of these two young girls from the area. So the police questioned Carla about her husband, obviously because she's the one who's pressing charges. They also ask her about a Mickey mouse watch that she was wearing. That looked a lot, like one that Kristin French owned.
Oh, they also do have sketches from some of the rape victims from the past couple of years. And they're realizing that it really does look like Paul. What 
Emily: [00:34:34] about, did the rape victims ever say that a woman was involved in the 
Liz: [00:34:37] rape? No, because those ones that are like, quote unquote, the Scarborough rapist, those were, she wasn't involved in those detectives interview Carla for five hours.
And she didn't give up any information about the couples crimes, but. She started to realize that they were linking Paul to the Scarborough rape. So eventually she's like, I don't think we're going to get away with this. I got a lawyer up. So she gets a lawyer. Once she gets the lawyer, Carla paints herself as an innocent victim of Paul's claiming that she was forced to participate in Paul's brutal crimes because she feared for her life.
If she didn't. Her lawyer asks for a plea deal. They say, Carla would testify against Paul. If she could plead guilty to manslaughter and serve only 12 years, the police except this, because her testimony will surely put him away. So the police obviously searched their house. They never find the tapes because like I said, they recorded all of their crimes.
Oh yeah. But Paul told his lawyer where the tapes were. So the lawyer, his lawyer finds them. And he doesn't turn them over to police until a year later into the investigation. When Paul's lawyer either quits or resigns or something, Paul gets a new lawyer. Finally, then that guy is like, here are all these tapes that I found.
So I'm pretty sure that he does get charged with like withholding evidence or something. And he does a little bit of time in jail because that's absurd. Yeah. As a lawyer, you have to do that. So unfortunately by the time the police see the tapes, they've already accepted the deal with Carla. But when they're watching them, they realized quickly that she wasn't a victim.
She was an eager participant in these crimes. Yeah. She's a sadistic bitch. So in September of 1995, Paul was convicted of several offenses, including two first degree murders and two aggravated sexual assaults. He was sentenced to life in prison without parole for at least 25 years, which I thought was weird.
Like you shouldn't ever get parole. No, never. And he was sent to Kingston penitentiary, which is Canada's toughest, maximum security prison. He was never tried for the Scarborough rapes of which there were 19 confirmed. But some people think the real number is upwards of 40. But then the last question, what about Carla?
What about Carla, Carla finished her sentence in July of 2005. No, she remarried and had three children. No, she apparently changes her name frequently because she obviously doesn't want to be associated with this, which she should be, who marries her just three kids. 
Emily: [00:37:22] And, you know, someone 
Liz: [00:37:22] like that doesn't change.
No. So I have some facts. Yes. What percent of serial killers do you think are women three 15? Oh yeah. Not a huge number, but higher than I expected, honestly. Yeah. That's impressive. 
Emily: [00:37:38] I mean, not 
Liz: [00:37:39] impressive, but you know what go, ladies. Also, the few women who have been known to kill alongside men usually do so because they have a dependent personality disorder.
They're vulnerable. They have a serious fear of abandonment or they've suffered from abuse. And they're typically not. Well-educated, here's a quote from the Delaney art Bartlett article that I read, quote, she is an enigma, a psychopath, and a sexual sadist, a serial killer, and a rapist who is walking around free.
Yeah, because she wasn't someone with a personality disorder. She was well-educated, she didn't have any of these qualities. Like she is a true psychopath. 
Emily: [00:38:18] And I feel like we hear of men doing these things and we don't bat an eye. We're like, yep. He's a psychopath. And you rarely hear about a sadistic sexual psychopath.
That's a woman. But yes, they exist. 
Liz: [00:38:30] It is found one. So horrifying to me that she's walking around free and her 
Emily: [00:38:34] kids are in school. So she's like going to PTA meetings. 
Liz: [00:38:38] I actually read something that she was tried to do to try to be on some volunteer committee. And then they found out who she was and they kicked her off.
Like, can you imagine what if your kid was friends with 
Emily: [00:38:48] their kid? Oh man. You're out like at a soccer game next to a woman. And you're like, I really liked that new woman, Carla. And then you find 
Liz: [00:38:54] out so freaking wild. Wow. Couples who kill that's my Valentine's day story. 
Emily: [00:39:02] There's so many couples who kill and I find them 
Liz: [00:39:05] fascinating, really so interesting.
Well, 
Emily: [00:39:10] I hope you guys all have an amazing 
Liz: [00:39:12] Valentine's day. Yeah. By the time you listen to this, it will be over, but we hope you had a good one. Go follow us on Instagram and please, please rate the podcast. Review it, subscribe to it. And tell your friends because the more listeners, the merrier. All right.
Cheers, Liz. Yeah. .

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