The Journey of Self-Discovery with Christina Suter | Part 1 #886

Over the last 15 years, Christina found the greatest obstacle her clients faced was an overwhelming amount of information about investment real estate that didn't produce the results they needed.  So, she created the “Live A Rich Life - Real Estate Investment Workshop” to simplify the process so people could get started at a pace they could handle, using a system that maximized results.

For over three decades, Christina has experienced massive success in the real estate world.  She has purchased over 40 million dollars in real estate and acquired over 350 doors.  In 2019 She co-authored, You Got This! on Real Estate Investing Success. She founded FIBI Pasadena with over 3,500 members as part of the For Investor By Investor (FIBI) Real Estate Network.

She has spoken at top industry events including the Think Realty Conference and Expo and the Intelligent Investors Real Estate Conference.  She hosts the Real Estate Breakthrough Podcast where she coaches investors and interviews the industry's top players.

Christina serves as Chairman on the Board of Resources for Infant Educators, offers hours of free advice and real estate mentorship every week, and supports charities including, Veterans of America, St. Jude Children's Research Hospital, National Police Association and Make-A-Wish Foundation.

As a mom to her daughter, and successful business owner, Christina offers a unique perspective on how to optimize your real estate investment while aligning with your personal values.


In this episode:

• Who is Christina Sutter
• Christina shares her experiences with dyslexia and ADHD
• Overcoming self-doubt and choosing her identity
• Christina as a parent
• Personal growth and healing

The Norris Group originates and services loans in California and Florida under California DRE License 01219911, Florida Mortgage Lender License 1577, and NMLS License 1623669.  For more information on hard money lending, go www.thenorrisgroup.com and click the Hard Money tab.


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Narrator: 0:01

Welcome to The Norris Group real estate podcast, a show committed to bringing you insights from thought leaders shaping the real estate industry. In each episode, we'll dive into conversations with industry experts and local insiders, all aimed at helping you thrive in an ever-changing real estate market. continuing the legacy that Bruce Norris created, sharing valuable knowledge, and empowering you on your real estate journey. Whether you're a seasoned pro or a newcomer, this is your go-to source for insider tips, market trends and success strategies. Here's your host, Craig Evans.

Craig Evans: 0:45

Hey everyone, it's so good to have you back today. We are very, very excited. I've got a guest that I've been excited to have on here with me for a while now. Christina Suter has become a very good friend of mine over the last year, year and a half, that we've been able to share a lot of conversations about real estate, so I'm super excited about having her on so let me tell you a little bit about Christina. Over the last 15 years, Christina found the greatest obstacle her clients faced was an overwhelming amount of information about investment real estate that didn't produce the results they needed. So she created the “Live A Rich Life - Real Estate Investment Workshop” to simplify the process so people could get started at a pace they could handle using a system that maximized results. For over three decades now, Christina has experienced massive success in the real estate world. She's purchased over $40 million in real estate and acquired over 350 doors. in 2019 she co authored the book, You Got This! on Real Estate Investing Success She founded FIBI Pasadena with over 3500 members as a part of the For Investor By Investor real estate network. She has spoken at top industry events including the Think Realty Conference and Expo and the Intelligent Investors Real Estate Conference. She hosts the Real Estate Breakthrough Podcast where she coaches investors and interviews the industry's top players. Christina serves as Chairman on the Board of Resources for Infant Educators. Offers hours of free service and real estate mentorship every week, and supports charities including Veterans of America, St Jude Children's Research Hospital, National Police Association and Make-A-Wish foundation. As a mom to her daughter and successful business owner, Christina, offers a unique perspective on how to optimize your real estate investment while aligning with your personal values. Okay, Christina, that's a mouthful.

Christina Suter: 2:50

Well, I should have done a Bruce move. I should have cut you off halfway through and go. You know, none of that's really that important. I'm just saying what's important is, what's the difference that we make on the planet. Who you know, what's important is, am I continuing to contribute to the real estate field? What's important is, Am I still offering mentorship and guidance to people? What's important is, Am I still engaged in the game and current in my knowledge? Like, that's the stuff that you need to know today.

Craig Evans: 3:15

That's it.

Christina Suter: 3:16

About whether or not I can help somebody else get their job done, right? Can I help them fulfill their purpose? Can I help them find where they want to go? Can I help them get clarity? Because that's at least for me as a consultant, that's my job. My job isn't about me. It's my expertise, helping them find clarity, peace and willingness to actually take action in a field that can feel overwhelming.

Craig Evans: 3:39

Well, and I'll tell you, as a dad of two daughters, that's part of why I've been excited about getting you on the show and kind of putting out about who you are and what you do, not just with you know, it's easy to see people like us on stage and we talk and we do this stuff, right? But again, you know, a lot of what our show's about, we really try to get to know who the people are that do this stuff so that, you know, our listeners and people out there can realize, hey, the reality is, at the end of the day, Christina, you and I put our pants on, just like everybody else. You know, so.

Christina Suter: 4:09

That's right. That's right, absolutely. And they project onto us this concept of, oh, well, we're so fancy and well, they can do it. And then that they don't understand that projection stops them from having faith that they can do it.

Craig Evans: 4:23

That's right, that's it. So...

Christina Suter: 4:25

We're human being, we're getting enough, we're getting our stuff done. We're parents. I'm getting my daughter to school on time or

Craig Evans: 4:29

Yep. late like everybody else, right? And so, you know, and I, as I explained to a client, am I like? You need to stop that, because when you perceive me as the expert and you as somebody who isn't an expert or cannot get there, there's something special about me, you're putting a barrier between you and your own success, not just between you and me, but between you and your image of yourself as a successful investor inside of real estate, who you want to be saying you haven't hit on a little bit of a current passion of mine. I'm trying to really clarify that. You know, Kathy betkin, I talk about that too, like, how do we clarify from the stage? Hey, guess what? We're no different. That's right,

Christina Suter: 5:16

We just been doing it longer than them. That's all.

Craig Evans: 5:18

That's it. Well, listen, so we've known each other now probably, what, a year, year and a half, something like that. And honestly, it seems like with, of course, with everything going on in my life of obviously taking over the Norris group and kind of changing the mind shift of what that looks like, you know, our fund growing leaps and bounds, all of that type of stuff, it feels like the year since I've known you, or year and a half since I've known you, has flown by. So, I want to get into a lot of the stuff that you do, things like that. Like, I say, really, if we can, if you're alright with it, I'd like to start and just talk about you, right? I want our I want people to really know, like, you know, so where are you originally from?

Christina Suter: 6:00

I'm laughing, because normally people don't want to talk about me. It's kind of like, oh, this is kind of cool. Talk about me mindset, or I'm talking about real estate. I'm talking about economics, right? Like, Christina, who's Christina Suter. Christina Suter was born downtown Los Angeles, at a hospital, but I was born. I was raised in San Gabriel, right? So I wasn't born, I wasn't a home birth, right? But I was raised in San Gabriel, which is like two cities away from where I am now, which is Pasadena. So I'm a local girl. I've lived other places, just so people know I've lived and purchased other places, but I'm basically a California girl.

Craig Evans: 6:38

So tell me your life growing up, what were the biggest struggles that you feel, that you had as a kid growing up?

Christina Suter: 6:48

Let's see two I'm going to highlight, because I think they're meaningful. First is in second grade, I was throwing books at my teachers because I was pretty pissed. And I think one day, I even threw a chair, and they finally went, you know, I think she's struggling in school. Yeah, no, I'm struggling in school. So I got, at the request of the school, my mom got me diagnosed as dyslexic and ADHD, and I wasn't reading and I wasn't doing math, and I wasn't enjoying school, obviously, I was pretty mad at school, because I could see there is all this stuff going on that I should be able to do, but I couldn't do, and it gotten me to the point where I was just kind of pissed. Normally, girls aren't people who get pissed. Normally, we get quieter and quieter and quieter and retreat. I am not that personality. So that gives you an idea about my personality, right? Like, but the advantages, I got diagnosed, and then I got put into a special in school with this amazing teacher. Her name was Mrs. Bellman, and I followed her from school to school for almost three years, because the program moved from place to place. And was the first "2E program" that was publicly funded, like, literally, the first year of the first time in California they had what was called a 2E program, which means you're right. I'm smart enough to know that I'm not getting it right, but I have a learning difference, and therefore I'm not getting it and so I learned eight years of math, five years of reading and three years of spelling in about three years, and I'm still I still spell like a third grader. I'm just telling you, I still spell like a third grade. So don't mean my post too carefully, because you'll find a lot of mistakes in them.

Craig Evans: 8:35

So you said you had two things, so what's the 2nd?

Christina Suter: 8:37

So that was one, then eventually I went back and I spent on the phone call with Joey yesterday, because eventually I went back, and I went back into public school, and then I went back to a private Middle School in place called Mayfield, which is here in Southern California, and then I went to a boarding school on the East Coast, and then I came back here for college, and I have a bachelor's in business, I have a teacher's credential, and I have a master's In psychology. And I, what's significant about that was I was told by my parents, were told by my special teacher, who I loved so much and who had such faith in me that I'd never make it through college. And again, that sort of angry kid came out. Well, screw that. So I got, you know, I know I got one degree. I got three of them. So there, right.

Craig Evans: 9:21

That's right.

Christina Suter: 9:22

They're not PhD. I confess it's not a PhD. My husband has a PhD, not a PhD, but it was important that I decided, and this was, you know, part of my personal growth work for the 20 years after I finally graduated college and started really deep diving into personal growth work that I didn't want these things, these messages, this anger, this frustration, this self doubt, this self hatred, right? This fear of my capacity to perform be the thing that defined how I was going to be in my world and my success in my world. So it's not so much about finish. In the colleges is it's about the choice of who I'm going to be, for me, you know, yeah, it's really great that maybe I can help other people. But I wanted to be peaceful. I wanted to feel normal. I wanted to participate in the world. I didn't want to hide in a corner because I was afraid or because I didn't fit in. That, to me, is the most important part of the story. Isn't the special ed school, but the choice to make a stand for yourself of who you're going to be, to fulfill your possibility and expectations of yourself, regardless of what the world has told you or tell you. That, to me, is, is the important lesson. So that was one story. Go ahead, I'll tell

Craig Evans: 10:45

So let me ask you this with because my wife is you that. actually dyslexic, right? She struggled with that throughout her life and it's interesting to hear your story on that, because she always says, I don't get mad, I just get even, right? I'm gonna find a way through that. I'm gonna, I want to work through that and fix it right? Like this is just that we laugh. Joey knows my wife very well, and she's got long, beautiful red hair. I love my wife and my kids. I mean to death, right? But we call her big red, you know? And it's one of those things that's like, you don't cross big red, right? You don't So, but it's so cool, because, you know, I, honestly, I didn't know that about you, right? About that you had the, if we want to call it, the special ed process, that you worked through, through your life. And so obviously that's hitting home with me, because I've watched that with my own, with my wife, right? So, but so you you moved as as a high school student, you were moving through different areas. So how do you think the factor of moving tied in with maybe the growth of a person? How do you feel like that shaped the foundation of who you were then to become who you are now.

Christina Suter: 12:02

When you mean moving, you mean changing schools, like I was in more schools than I was grades all the way up until, until, like sixth, seventh grade.

Craig Evans: 12:12

Right.

Christina Suter: 12:12

Changing schools? Or do you mean moving, as in I physically lived in LA, and then I lived in San Francisco, and then I physically lived in LA, and then I lived....

Craig Evans: 12:21

Let's take both, which of those do you think had a bigger effect on you? Or did either one, maybe, I'm not trying to take the question back....

Christina Suter: 12:34

And one, okay, yeah, I'll tell you. It's, it's the effect may not have been what one would anticipate. One Yes, I'm willing to accept change. Yeah, I went to multiple different schools in order to succeed. I saw I was getting success by following this teacher. My success with her shaped how I've now effectively raised my daughter. Because my daughter is in a school for special ed kids, kids with who are to eat right, kids with learning differences, right? And I drive an hour and 15 minutes to an hour and a half, and for years, rented a second apartment in Culver City so that my daughter could be at the school where her self respect and her self confidence would remain intact. So I followed Mrs. Bellman from school to school because she made me successful. That was the most peace and success I had in my early childhood was in that school environment. I cherished it so much that our family's life structure is wrapped around my daughter's school. So she didn't understand what it means to be self confident and succeeding in an environment. Now here's a personal story as a mama, my daughter was walking school and she was dragging a friend's backpack behind her, and she had tied it to her backpack. And I went, well, there you go. That's the out of the box thinking that is the advantage of right? The advantage of the diagnosis out of the box thinking, and that's an example of it. She stopped, she looked at me and gave me this earnest look, and went, Mom, I don't think this is the I don't think this is right. And okay, I'm about to hear a big childhood statement, but somehow I have screwed up as a mama, or somehow this is not working. And she went, you know, you guys keep telling me, I have this learning difference. I don't know about that. I seem to be just fine. And I'm like, okay, it is worth the drive and the extra money. Yes, my child declares she's fine, because from there, she can be whoever she wants, right? From there, she can define her pathway in her life. That's, I think all we hope for as parents, ultimately, is that our kid says I can do it because I want to. I can feel possibility of success because I've seen it in my world. So I'm going to assume that's who I'm going to be.

Craig Evans: 15:06

That's again, you know. Listen, you start talking about kids, especially daughters. Those are tugs of my heart, you know, my youngest daughter just she's in a band, you know, and she, last year as a sophomore, she was picked by, and it's a big program, you know, it's, I mean, they, they win state stuff every year. They do all the like, it's, you know, there's several 100 people in this band program, right? So as a sophomore, she was nominated as the captain for their, their their entire percussion division, and, wow, typically, that's, that's a senior that gets that the those honors, you know, and she was same type of thing, you know. I mean, she, she's not battling with a with a learning disability or things like that, but it's that process of, she was, she was battling with this thought of, Am I good enough? How am I going to do this? Why did they pick me for this at this age? And, you know? So I think there's a lot of times is young age for students, for kids, things like that, to to believe in themselves as part of the biggest battle, you know? So...

Christina Suter: 16:14

Yeah, I do. I think that is the biggest battle, you know, it's, it's a lot of people focus on academics, and I don't worry so much about our academics, but then again, I will. I saw in myself that even if I lagged, I could catch up. So the other thing I learned about moving, and I'll tell this other story, was, again, I can thank my mom for a lot of my successes and for some of my years of therapy too. Okay, we'll admit it, right? Just saying, you know, like there was a lot of moments that maybe should have happened that way, right? Just for those of us who had angry, very big, overweight parents who were domineering, I could just say it. But one of the things my mom did do that was, right, there were a couple of them, and one of the things that she did do that was really right, was I remember when we moved, and we did move a couple times as a kid, when we move, she'd be like, Okay, guys, come on. How are we going to do this? Everybody grab a corner of the sofa. We're moving right. And literally, everybody that included me right. So at least, like, there was, like, this concept of we all pitch in, we're all making it happen. And I just, I later, I learned to cherish that expectation of self that we're just going to pitch in and make it happen, right? So that was a value that my mom taught me, that I find I still cherish and I still hold in my communities, and I still believe in as a form of success. And thank my mom for that value being taught to me early and well modeled.

Craig Evans: 17:40

And I'll be honest, that is such a huge aspect, you know, one of our, one of our core values and all of our companies we talk about, is grit, you know, and it's that aspect you just got to dive in, and it's one of those things, you know, we've got hundreds of employees and all this kind of stuff and, and we talk so much about the aspect of, listen, if you're coming and you're just wanting to work based off what your job description says, that's not what we're about, right? We're about the everybody grab the corner of the couch, because we're all going to pick it up and move right now, right? Like, yeah, we all have our duties. We all have our descriptions. But at the end of the day, when the couch needs to be moved. We all pick it up. We don't wait for our two brothers to go pick it up, right? We all dive in and pick it up so that that's cool. So, let's see. So if I'm understanding right now, you lived on the East Coast for some of your high school. Is that correct?

Christina Suter: 18:34

Yeah, it was a girls boarding school.

Craig Evans: 18:36

Okay, all right. So how do you think a West Coast kid. Now you're an East Coast boarding school, special ed. I mean, like, this is a movie, right?

Christina Suter: 18:51

No, I never should have gone. Like Garrison Forest was the school I went to, and many people recognized the name, and it was a great school, and they were willing to accept a special ed kid who I took, I took Latin, I took French, I took Spanish, and I failed all of them. I'm just saying I failed every one of those as a foreign language. Okay, what they gave me as a foreign language? Thank God. Was computer programming so I know how to I knew I knew how to do dos, and I knew how to pass do Pascal. And I was renting the computer room as a junior in high school. I ran the computer. I'm like, literally like, I would leave it open after school hours so people could use it, you know, blah, blah, blah, right? Which is great. Thank God they were willing to change my foreign language requirement for my traditional foreign language to a out of the box foreign language. And that was why I went to Garrison Forest for a high school. Was they were willing in a highly academic college preparatory boarding school with a long academic history, they're willing to take a chance on me in being able to be a kid with a learning difference, and I got extra tutoring during the school hours in order to help me with my executive functioning and my success. They still couldn't teach me a foreign language but but I never fit in the. Point is, culturally, I never fit in. It was never just an academic question. It was a cultural question. So I really didn't make a lot of friends. And even going back to my, like, high school reunion, it was like I was sitting with these with these girls, and my sister went, do you know those girls? I'm like, Yeah, they were my classmates. And they're like, Wow, they behaved like they didn't even know you. And like, well, they kind of didn't know me. The truth is, it was a cultural clash for me. I'm outspoken, I'm overly friendly. I wore nothing but flip flops for the whole summer and short skirts, and that was so not the East Coast Way I've learned to respect. I've lived in I lived in as a high school student, I lived in Baltimore, and I also went back and lived in Washington, DC, in Northern Virginia, and I invested in Northern Virginia as well. And so I've been on the East Coast, I've learned to appreciate what their culture is based in, which is this long term slow grow trust. These are my best friends. I went to high school with them, or I went to college with them. They're the ones who are going to help me move. I trust them. You're chatty and you're in my face, and you may be there tomorrow, but you may not be there tomorrow, and I don't know that, so I don't trust it, right? I've learned to respect it, but I didn't do well in that not as a high school student, not as an ADHD kid, unmedicated, unmedicated, and not as a dyslexic. I did not do well in that environment.

Craig Evans: 21:30

So, when do you think you started turning some of those corners? Was it college? I mean, you were in what USC, if I remember right?

Christina Suter: 21:38

Yeah. So once I was it was, yeah, it was college. It was college. Once I hit my business courses, all of a sudden, when I hit my business courses, people coming to me, going, you seem to understand what the teacher's saying. Will you talk me through the homework? And I'm like, wait a minute. You want me to talk I'm really confused over here. But all of a sudden I went from like struggling to, you know, really understand, yeah, I understand business law, I understand accounting. I understand the thinking behind that. I understand systems. So I finally got to a point where the educational curriculum was now using my strength and not my weakness. It was no longer about memorizing. It was no longer about understanding what everybody else had created. It was about my capacity to abstract and see a system from the top down and be able to answer their questions from well, what does this mean if this is the law, and what does this mean if this is the what the business is facing, and how would you answer that puzzle? Now I'm in my area of strength. Finally, that high little to abstract served me as a student, and then I started succeeding.

Craig Evans: 22:46

Well. So, as you saw that happening. I mean, I'll be honest. I mean, you know, my I have never been diagnosed, but my wife and many of my staff say that I've got severe ADHD, and which doesn't surprise me, I think, completely different, sleep very little, and do lots of stuff, right?

Christina Suter: 23:05

I'm a hijacker. I'm a hijacker. I'm totally hijacking. Are you ready? Yes, gift, the gift. This is my personal agenda, another personal passion point, when somebody says I'm an engineer, we don't turn around and say, Oh, I'm so sorry that you're so bad at people. I'm an artist or I'm a writer. We don't turn and go, Oh, I'm so sorry you failed in math. We don't have that conversation with them, right? We focus on the strengths what's been misunderstood and what's finally beginning to be understood, Sally Shaywitz and other people at my daughter's schoo, right, is the gift of the ADHD and the dyslexia is that we are abstract thinkers who do really well in systems, and we get stuff done because we're eager and excited about engaging in life, and idle brain like ours doesn't do well. So applying our brain to something that's creating something that's being effective is incredibly satisfying to us. That's what our brains are built for. So if you stop our capacity to constantly apply our focus, then you're going to get bad behavior. If you allow the focus to constantly go, I'm passionate about this, let me do it. I'm passionate about this, let me do it. I'm passionate you constantly allow it, it will grow, it will learn, and it will try to create something better and bigger than what's in front of it. That's the advantage of who we are, is we get more done. If you allow us to be confident, we potentially get be even more confident because of the number of things that we can do in a single day and desire to do in a single day. Just mentioning, if you look at it from the other side, it's a gift if we're allowed to channel it, not waiting to be a different way.

Craig Evans: 25:00

Yeah, early on in my marriage, obviously, you know that that was a process, even for my wife, you know, it was a struggle, because it wasn't, she wasn't used to that, right? And she we were actually we were, listen, we're hijacking this whole thing. So we're just gonna, we're gonna do whatever we want to do today.

Christina Suter: 25:17

It's your show, by the way. You get to choose that.

Craig Evans: 25:22

We were actually, last week, we were up in North Carolina with a bunch of youth and working at a youth camp and doing a bunch of stuff. And that was one of the things that she was telling me, you know, as we were traveling up there, she was, she was talking about, she said, you know, for my first few years of being married to you, you know, I struggled with and I wanted to change you, right? I wanted to like, hey, let's just do this, right? But she said I quickly learned I just needed to let you go and like, you're going to do the things you're going to do. And she said it has been so fun for now. Next month is 25 years of marriage to she's like, it was so fun to watch this life grow, because I didn't try to hold you back, right? So, yeah, listen, Chris, it's, this is actually cool, because there's so much more about you that is a parallel with me, and then that's been fun. So So let me ask you this. Let's go back to college. So, you're in college, as you started seeing and understanding like, Hey, I think differently. I think systematically, you know, I can problem solve and I can accomplish a lot. What was it that really clicked? Or was there a thing that said, hey, you know, I can be the great Christina Suter, right? Was there a driving force that that you started to see a vision, like, I can do more in life than just hold a job, so to speak, right?

Christina Suter: 26:48

Okay, so it's a big question. I'll try to keep the story short, because that's a, you know, 25 year journey, right? So in high school, in high school, my perception was I was not normal. I just was never accepted in high school. I wasn't doing well academically. I almost failed out of my school, my high school the first year. So I both was academically struggling and I wasn't making friends, and I just went, I'm a big fat blah loser, right? And then when I graduated college, even though I started to see I was hitting my stride, I literally longed to just be normal. I wanted to be normal, and that was left over from a dramatic childhood with a mom who had been abused as a kid and therefore gave us the gift of only hitting us a few times in our childhood in comparison to her level of abuse, but the way she did that was by ignoring us, by not really being an active parent, right? So the advantage of disadvantage was with my diagnosis. She was required by schools to pay attention to me, so she did, but my older brother and sister didn't have that for good or for bad, so I effectively was raised by my sister, who's five years older than mine, and she will tell you that loud and proud today at every family vacation, that she was effectively my mother, and she was effectively my mother. So Carol, thank you very much for being my mother and holding my hand, because there was many things that I missed as being the youngest that my older brother and sister did see, that I didn't see, that I wasn't part of right, which is great. I had other things on my plate, but effectively taking that rough childhood, even though I had great moments with my mom and great role modeling, and they're wonderful lessons I've taken from her, and then taking the fact that I was a special ed kid. I was not a happy person in my early 20s, I was not I was in an abusive relationship. I dated a drug dealer. I dated a couple different, you know, I I, you know, a couple of narcissists. I did a couple different people in my childhood that I were my young 20s, that I would say weren't necessarily the best for me, right? And then at 20 something, I was moving out from my abusive boyfriend, and I went, you know, the person who is the most central to all of this is me. I did it. I keep bringing this in. I need to work on me. I just long to be normal. So it started a very long path of about 25 years worth of personal growth and therapy and alternative therapies and personal growth workshops and insight and landmark form and university bachelor's degree, sorry, masters in spiritual psychology. Well, I also had started in traditional psychology, and I switched over to spiritual psychology, and I just spent a lot of years studying energetic work in Germany, with a lead, with a teacher over there, flying to New York. So I really took it on, because I just wanted to be normal. I didn't remember. I didn't want to be defined as the scared kid in the corner that I was or that I had started to become, or the scared human being I was in my 20s, and I was now acting out in these relationships. So I just want to be normal. Okay, so years and years and years now we're fast forwarding a couple decades worth of personal growth, and I turn around and go, Hey, I'm feeling pretty normal. I'm feeling pretty happy in my skin. Wow, this is amazing. And I look around and I go, Hey guys, I'm normal. And everybody's like, No, you're not. I'm like, What do you mean? I'm not normal. Like, why are you so calm and peaceful? Why are you so like, you know, engaged in life? Why are you so willing to be successful? Why are you and I'm like, because that's joyful. Isn't that joyful? Isn't that what joyful is about, right? Is wanting. I remember standing on the top of a hill. I was in a personal growth workshop. I'm standing on the top of a ski slope. There was a black diamond ski slope, and I was not a black diamond skier. And I remember my instructor, who was my my personal growth instructor, we were just doing a random trip, right? And he's like, All right, let's do it. Remember that sofa, picking up the sofa the four corners, all right, let's do it. He's like, let's go down that hill. And I'm like, There's no way. I'm gonna go down that hill. No way. And then I looked at him, and I went, Oh my god. He's so happy. He's so ready to take on life. I went, well, shoot, that seems like normal to me. Let's do that. And I remember grokking that as saying, that's who I wanted to be in order to know freedom in my life, in my mind, in my world, in order to do whatever Christina wanted to do, not the kid who was diagnosed, not the kid that was afraid of mom, not the kid that was, you know, in this loud household, but the and not the kid that wanted to be off the planet. I wanted to be that human being that said, let's take on life because we're here. And that was a big switch for me at that time. So that is my path to normal was, wow, let's just play.

Craig Evans: 31:53

Yeah.

Christina Suter: 31:54

So, all right, you asked the question. I think I answered it.

Craig Evans: 32:00

I didn't want to interrupt, because I don't want people to miss those moments when people, you know, when you're pouring out that type of stuff. I want people to hear that, right? I don't want to interrupt. I don't want to stop it. Hey guys, that's going to do it for this week with Christina Suter. We'll look forward to seeing you back next time

Narrator: 32:15

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Joey Romero: 32:35

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