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EP3| Part 2:INVESTOR CLUB ROUNDUP SHOW with Lisa Hoegler, Dan Redig, & Larry French #920

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In Part 2 of the Real Estate Roundtable, host Joey Romero continues the conversation with REIA leaders Lisa Hoegler (LA South REIA), Larry French (CVREIA), and Dan Redig (SDCIA). They discuss their dream guest speakers, ongoing educational pursuits, and offer valuable insights into today’s market sentiment. The episode wraps with predictions for 2025, practical advice for new investors, and the importance of connecting with local investor communities. 


For more information on this month’s featured clubs and speakers, please see below:

LA South Real Estate Investors Association

San Diego Creative Investors Association

Coachella Valley Real Estate Investors Association



In this episode:

  • REIA leaders share their dream guest speakers for investor club events
  • Ongoing personal education and growth strategies for real estate professionals
  • Insights into current market sentiment and how investors are reacting
  • Expert predictions and economic outlook for real estate in 2025
  • Actionable advice for new and aspiring real estate investors
  • The importance of building relationships through local investor clubs




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Welcome to The Norris Group real estate podcast, a show committed to bringing you insights from thought leaders shaping the real estate industry. In each episode, we'll dive into conversations with industry experts and local insiders, all aimed at helping you thrive in an ever-changing real estate market. continuing the legacy that Bruce Norris created, sharing valuable knowledge, and empowering you on your real estate journey. Whether you're a seasoned pro or a newcomer, this is your go-to source for insider tips, market trends and success strategies. Here's your host, Craig Evans.

Joey Romero:

Welcome back everybody to our Investor Club Roundup part two with Larry French, Lisa Hoegler and Dan Redig. Hope you enjoy. All right, so let's assume that we're all running an old traditional club, and you guys have a monthly speaker every month. All right, we'll start with Lisa, who is your dream guest, living or historical in real estate, not real estate. Who would you want to bring to speak to your investors?

Lisa Hoegler:

Oh, that's a good one.

Dan Redig:

That is a tough one, isn't it.

Lisa Hoegler:

Because some of the old guard...

Joey Romero:

By the way, one of the owners, answered Marcus Aurelius.

Lisa Hoegler:

...way back in the day. Some...

Larry French:

Yeah. Genghis Khan.

Lisa Hoegler:

...of the old guard is just too difficult to understand, like they talk in circles, and it's just kind of difficult. Oh, that is, that is such a tough one. Who would I pray?

Joey Romero:

Let's get back to you. Dan, I'll put you on the spot.

Dan Redig:

You know, I gotta say we love having Bruce, but if I can't have Bruce, I'm gonna have Pete Fortunato.

Joey Romero:

Okay, you'll have Pete. Pete, you always learn something new every time. He's like... Let's go. Wait, when was the last time you had

Dan Redig:

Every time. Or Bill Cook, for that matter, Bill Cook is another one of those who really, really gets it going and him? Have you ever? Bill's been a while. Yeah. shows people the way. Yeah.

Joey Romero:

Okay.

Dan Redig:

I'd have to, I'd actually have to look that up. I don't know.

Joey Romero:

What about you, Larry?

Larry French:

I'd stick with the Florida theme, Dan, and I'd want Jack Miller.

Joey Romero:

Okay.

Larry French:

Yeah, Jack Miller was wonderful.

Joey Romero:

The mentor's mentor.

Lisa Hoegler:

Now, Jack was fantastic too. Yeah, yeah. I mean, guys are going way back. I think I would probably stick with somebody who's around. And like I said, I think I'm gonna go back to George Antone, which is not, nobody's really heard of him as much. You know, he's not, not as big of a name, but I would if I had to go give credit for being the investor I am to one person and absolutely being an incredible mentor that understood things from 10 different directions at the same time, it would be him. So if everybody had the opportunity to learn from him, I say take advantage of it. He's one of a

Joey Romero:

Now, I've seen you guys. Whenever we've put out a kind. seminar, you guys are always, you know, some of the first to sign up and to come. Do you guys, at this point still go to educational seminars? What are you guys doing to stay in the game and stay educated? And I'll start with Larry.

Larry French:

Yep. So I go to most Norris Group's, events, stuff still, and which I because I still get value, you know, and I love you guys. You if it wasn't for Bruce and his team, I would not, I literally would not, financially be where I am today. So there and then I go to the Masters of Real Estate, which is held in Las Vegas once a year in November, run by Gary Johnston. And he usually fills it with a lot of the Florida guys we were just chatting about, and other smart people. And then up until Dyches Boddiford passed away a year and a half ago, we would fly to Atlanta once a month, once a year, and take his Advanced Strategies class, which was much more tax and structure based. Wasn't about how to go find your deals and how to put your deals together. It's for people. They're already good with that, and they need to, you know, lean to to step.

Joey Romero:

Hang on to the wealth.

Larry French:

Yes, that's since been taken over from John higher, and I have not been since he's taken it over.

Joey Romero:

Okay. Dan, you still going education?

Dan Redig:

Still going to education. You know, I there's a couple books I have that I still revisit, but not so much anymore, right? They're getting to be kind of dead, but a lot of stuff local, actually. There's a couple of other folks running small groups that are really focused very narrowly on a niche that I enjoy going to. Brewery is one of them, our built hands calculator classes, always solid gold. Can't get off of that. But otherwise, I pick one to two events every year that I try to go to so I don't have a favorite, because every I try not to repeat. So I'll look around and see what's interesting. Where am I going? And so, so this year, I'm looking more towards stuff focused on raising private money or doing syndication type work. So I'll have to see what's out there for the fall when I go.

Joey Romero:

Nice. Lisa? What do you do for education?

Lisa Hoegler:

Yeah, actually, I've shifted in the last couple years, because, I would say, up until about two years ago, I was still heavily attending all kinds of events all over the country and Masterminds and that kind of thing. And I started going to the classes and realized that, aside from things like The Norris Group that are timely and talking about what's going on the market, I started realizing that I could give a lot of the seminars I was going to. And that had happened partially because at my REIA, I've done a lot of teaching. We used to have almost six classes a month, and I was doing in depth teaching on tons of topics, so between my own personal experience and then having to put together a unique curriculum. I really had learned a lot of stuff. I'm a lifelong learner kind of a thing. And so what I've started focusing on now is a little bit of different areas that I don't have as much experience, like what's going on with AI and real estate? How do I use some of my own Excel and, you know, that kind of background that I have to do more with real estate and, or just do more in general. So I'm branching out into a little bit different areas that I didn't have as much experience with because the nuts and bolts of how real estate works. I got that. I checked those boxes. Now I want to kind of supplement with the rest of the tools that can help build a business even more. And those are things I can share with people as well.

Joey Romero:

Sure, you know, I shared with you guys off before we started recording that read quite a few books. The last book I read is really interesting. It's called The AI-Driven Leader. And it's basically the thought is that there's no getting around it. AI is here to stay, and it's going to come like this huge wave. But what we have to focus on is how to make AI our thought partner, and keeping us the leaders and always being the human in the room, so that's, it's a great book. I highly recommend it to our, to you guys and to all of our listeners. It's a great book. So I want to touch a little bit about what's going on right now. You know, there's, you know, we, we've, we've always had the moodometer. You know, that's Bruce's big thing, right? What's the mood? He knows the, what's the buyer's mood? What's the, so, with everything going on, volatility to stock market, the ups and down, the tariffs, new administration, everything going on. What do you guys think the mood of real estate in general, and real estate investing is right now? And I'll let whoever wants to jump in first, go ahead and take the lead on this.

Lisa Hoegler:

I'll jump.

Joey Romero:

Yeah.

Lisa Hoegler:

The mood?

Joey Romero:

Well, you have the Port of Los Angeles right there, right? So.

Lisa Hoegler:

We do, we do. And actually we have a whole bunch of longshoremen in some groups, so they're not so happy right now. I don't think the mood is good. I don't think the mood is is very optimistic for the future. Now, great for investors, right? The investors are sitting here. I see them salivating. It's happening, right? And I know for myself, I've been investing for a long time, but I didn't do that well in 2008 unlike Bruce, I kind of took the wrong path that at that time, and I've been waiting for our time. I've been waiting for the cycle to change so that I could actually take advantage of of opportunities that are out there. So I don't see, I seen the I see the real estate investment market a little bit excited about it. It doesn't always translate to clubs, because usually when the market's turning down, people sort of stay away from clubs. They're a little nervous. They're a little...

Joey Romero:

Oh, it's not easy at that point.

Lisa Hoegler:

Of course, but it's really an exciting time to be in it, for sure. I think from a retail buyer, I would say one of the things that I feel like is so shocking to me this time is that it always feels to me like real estate is sort of like a late mover. It's sort of last to react to whatever's going on in economics. And I think what we're what I'm seeing, at least in my market in the South Bay, is that we're seeing the impacts of it already. I mean, in full force, and no, no delays. And we haven't even, we haven't seen the worst of maybe the economy, you know, in the charts yet, but we're feeling it hard already. So I can only imagine what's coming.

Joey Romero:

What's the mood like in San Diego, Dan?

Dan Redig:

Kind of similar to what Lisa's describing. You know, people are apprehensive. They're nervous. They don't know what to expect, right? You know, that fear of uncertainty certainly rearing its head. But the same sentiment amongst the investors, you know, a good buddy of mine, Alec, caught up last week, and he was, he was telling me, 'It's coming. It's coming. Here we go.' You know, very excited about. Up maybe some more opportunity, because finding deals has been hard for a while. But that said, you know, San Diego seems to be holding strong.

Joey Romero:

That seems gotta be so confusing, right? It feels like, it feels like, you know, like something, some doom is coming, but pricing isn't going anywhere in California?

Dan Redig:

Right. Well, it's almost like 2018 if you remember that.

Joey Romero:

Yeah.

Dan Redig:

When we were thinking, this has got to be a downturn again, and it held steady. And then 2019 students started moving a little bit more. And then, of course, you know, the pandemic changed, changed everything. So I don't really compare that different story. So, you know, we just got a jobs report. It looked awesome in San Diego. What am I going to say, right? Everyone wants to steer the doom and gloom, and they're going to get this downturn, and how these downturn and have these buying opportunity, you know, you know, pick up their STRs, or their long term rentals, or whatever it is that they want to do. And I, frankly, I don't think it's coming. You know, the the economy at large would have to take a large and sustained hit before San Diego took a dramatic downturn with the way it's looking right now. I mean, famous last words, right? Call me next week when I'm crying.

Joey Romero:

Well, I think that's why a lot of people are just looking to add value somehow, some way, whether it's, you know, square footage, lot splits, ADUs, things like that.

Dan Redig:

Yep.

Joey Romero:

So Larry, what's the mood out in the desert?

Larry French:

Uh, blah, yeah. Nobody's quite sure what's going on. So, I mean, there's opportunity for sure. Remember, I was talking about how we have a lot of tourist buyers. Well, the Canadians aren't real excited to some of them aren't real excited to be here right now.

Joey Romero:

And we're seeing that in Florida too.

Larry French:

And so they're selling, and it makes sense for them to sell. What is their dollar? The conversions dollar 45 to $1 I mean, that sounds like a jackpot time to sell your Coachella Valley house. And that would have to the question would then be, well, who would buy it from you, if you're a flipper, or who would live in it if you're going to keep it? The Canadians even, are they attracted a type of house you even want to hold on to? Or is it going to be something in an HOA with 20 pools, because they're coming down here to have fun. Outrageous HOA, or 24 hour security, that just blows your return. So I would just say the the it feels like a great time to buy like, for instance, in Yucca Valley. Yucca Valley is a valley is the valley just above us. We're Coachella Valley. We're the low desert. Yucca Valley is 30 minutes away, 20 minutes away.

Joey Romero:

Joshua Tree, right?

Larry French:

Correct. Joshua Tree. 29 Palms in the city of Yucca Valley. Right now, Yucca Valley has 850 active listings. Last month, they had 85 sold. 85 houses sold out of almost 900 listed, yeah, and they have 12 months of inventory up there right now. Yeah, it's a full on buyer's market in Yucca Valley right now. Rents are low. You better buy low if you're going to keep that yeah, and necessarily, a lot of people excited about living or buying a second home there, but they do. They're, I mean, it's a beautiful area, people will buy it. So I think the key would be at least where we're at. There's some deals here. Just how are you going to hold on to them? Are you going to, if you can find, you know when, when deals show up? At least my experience when deals showed up in 2009, 10, 11, 12, yeah, it wasn't a matter of finding the deals. It was a matter of finding the debt that allowed me to keep them. And so I would work like Dan was saying, maybe, you know, he's gonna do a little work on right raising funds this time around. It might be, if you're expected a market cooling, which we're feeling now here I would put work into finding some money to to take advantage of that.

Joey Romero:

One, of the things you know, I, I've heard a lot of club owners and just investors in general, is, is knowing your numbers, staying in your Buy Box, and being honest with yourself. Because you know it's when you go outside of that is when you get in trouble, you get yourself hurt.

Dan Redig:

Right. 100% FOMO is a thing. Yeah, every time, right.

Joey Romero:

Yes. All right. What do you think the outlook for the rest of the year is? It's still just up in the air, because nobody can figure out, you know, when it's gonna go one way or the other or what? How do you think the rest of 2025, will end?

Lisa Hoegler:

I personally gotta be really slow all year. I think it's going to be very, very slow. And I think because of the slowness, we're going to see a lot of opportunity. If you're positioned right, if you're familiar with doing creative financing, if you have capital sources, you're going to have no problem buying I give people kind of an antidote. It's just good to kind of compare. I'm on a whole bunch of wholesalers lists and whatnot for a variety of different kind of properties, and where I used to get maybe, I would say maybe five or six a week. Right now, I'm currently getting no less than 50 a week. So the volume. This ticked up considerably, none. They're not deals. They're not things that I would rush out to to buy.

Joey Romero:

Situations, their situations?

Lisa Hoegler:

Yeah, yeah. But what, very time I ask the question, 'what's going on? What's going on?' We know what I'm asking the wholesalers, what the situation is. It's people are very, we've been in such a seller's market for so long, sellers are very impatient, and so they're saying, oh my gosh, I've been listed for 30 days. I don't have an offer. No one's coming to my open houses. I've got to sell. I'm desperate, and so I'm seeing the desperation tick up considerably, even though we don't necessarily have any other factors in the market that is...

Joey Romero:

...been spoiled right?

Lisa Hoegler:

...right now. It's, it's literally a perception thing, and that that, that desperation is super palpable right now. So I think we're going to continue to see that as days on market goes up. As you know it, the the market softens. I don't know what's going to happen with liquidity as the year goes on? I gotta assume that lending standards are going to tighten, and then that's going to add to that perception. But I think the seller's eagerness to get out is definitely going to do a lot to push the market down.

Joey Romero:

Larry, you were going to start talking about how you thought 2025 would end.

Larry French:

I'm with you, Lisa. I don't see big changes. I don't see any reasons for big changes or swings in the market, just kind of floundering around, slopping around. Hopefully the current administration won't print a bunch more money, like the last you know, we've been doing for the last 10 years. That'll just add more money chasing dumb deals and support prices we don't. I don't think we need lower interest rates on conventional stuff. I think the market needs to adjust to it. That would be healthier for the country if prices adjusted to six and a half 7% you know, and they're making their way there.

Joey Romero:

Which is the median, if you look at it over the last five years.

Dan Redig:

Where it should be.

Larry French:

Yes. So hopefully that continues. I believe we're kind of slowly tumbling that way, you know. Hopefully that continues on. I would say I keep an eye. You want to keep an eye. I like to keep an eye on outlier markets that I feel will feel pain earlier than more. Yeah, desirable markets where some of us might you know where we work more so, for instance, I mentioned Yucca Valley, they Yucca Valley felt much pain earlier and harder during 2009, 10, 11, 12, than the Coachella Valley, and a whole lot earlier and harder than Corona and Orange County and Yorba Linda, and, you know, in Mission Viejo. And as you get closer to the coast, other areas that have similar characteristics. Is like Adelanto in Apple Valley. You keep an eye if those if you're starting to see 40% off in Apple Valley compared to just 18 months ago. There's mean either coming or it's about to get here, so I like to watch those outlier markets too. Help give me idea what's going on. The other thing I'm cautious of is that some of the houses I bought, so I'm Yeah, and I was fortunate enough to be able to keep a lot of the houses that I bought in 2009 1011, and I still have them today. And I was, it was very nervous buying, then you would tell friends, I'm, you know, you're buying real estate, and they thought you didn't, you're insane. So I keep I like people to hear what people are not in our industry are saying, right? And you can kind of get a little bit of into that when you see an article in a main newspaper, you know, the LA Times or something, because those aren't people that are like us down and doing it if the homes that I purchased in '09 and 10 weren't even as good as the deals I got in 10 and 11, you know, 10, 11, and early 12. So, that was a prolonged amount of stuff that needed to be resold and fixed and bad debt cleared off. But I am a little cautious of when I do see the first best signs of buying. I'm going to still go a little cautious for the first six months, because I, there is a lot of the people that come into the club and then I speak to they're all like, 'I'm waiting for it to crash. I'm waiting for to crash. I got money', so I'm going to let their money go in and buy a lot of that stuff at the forefront...

Joey Romero:

You're going to wait for the the apple update, not the first front.

Larry French:

There you go. Thank you.

Joey Romero:

So Dan, what do you see for the rest of 2025?

Dan Redig:

You know, it's pretty murky, Joey, I would say that political climate is very unpredictable. We don't really know what's going to happen. And without getting too much further into that wicket of fun. I think things are going to be generally kind of as is, you know, it's a muddle through. I don't think we're going to see anything too crazy. You know, there's the pressure to get the Fed to lower rates. I don't know if they'll be successful, but I don't think they can go that low, either. We're not going to see 2, 3, 4, percent it, the market doesn't justify it. So it's a model through, you know, work your deals carefully. Know what you're talking about. Stay in your buy box. Make sure, you know for sure the the exact neighborhood and house type that you're going for. And you know, it's because things are getting hard to predict. Well,

Joey Romero:

One of the things that we're finding in Florida is price ranges are affected differently, you know, so in the 325, and lower you can, you can sell those all day long. You get into just under, you know, 700,000 that middle market is just really rate sensitive and market sensitive overall. You know, their investments are, you know, taking a hit right now, so they're kind of all putting a pause, and then you get into that 800 to 2 million, and those, if you have the right product, you know, you don't, there's plenty of buyers for that. So it's, it's it's kind of a weird time.

Lisa Hoegler:

I would say we're seeing a similar thing in the dollar. If you've got a $2 million plus property, you're not having any problem selling it. But if you go at the low end, you're having trouble right now. So if people are in the market right now, for if they're doing flips, if they're trying to wholesale things like that, I'd stay away from the low end stuff. I think there's still definitely a market for that middle and upper tier. But I'm not seeing it. I'm seeing I'm seeing a lot of struggle in that low end of the market.

Joey Romero:

You guys getting the same thing.

Larry French:

Two and a half million in upsells easily around here, and then 350, and lower, which is our lowest, lowest stuff. Maybe, Coachella, maybe, you know, down by the thermal places like that, those sell. We're having a little more trouble in the middle, actually, is where we're seeing that stuff sit. That would be prices range from five to seven.

Joey Romero:

Dan?

Dan Redig:

Somewhat similar. Yeah. The the middle has been moving. So we're seeing a lot of folks, you know, San Diego a little too expensive, so there's a lot of pressure to move towards north county. We're seeing a lot more pressure and distance and Marcos, you know, I used to be able to go up there and look for a short term rental, you know, easily five

Joey Romero:

Well, there are two more questions, as we're bedroom under a mill, even 800 less than a year ago. And now they're around a mill, one, one, very quickly. So it's San Diego's feeling that pressure, and there are people trying to do something about it. wrapping up, we've almost been at this for now. So I want to ask each one of you. So I'm, Larry. I'll start with you. I'm brand new to investing. Never been to a club meeting, and I show up. What is the advice that you give me?

Larry French:

Listen and ask a lot of questions, and then don't be nervous and afraid to call the folks that are that you got a good, that you like their answer. So some of the folks that I've seen do the best that have come through our clubs, you know, actually come from nothing. I mean, one guy was literally a gardener that would climb palm trees and fell out of a palm tree and in the hospital, when his brokes back and the hospital, he saw infomercials about real estate investing. Well, he's like, I don't have the money to do have the money to do that. He's, you know, immigrant parents. His dad's a gardener, and he walked in our door and just started attending the club for no cost. He would call me all the time, and I loved helping the guy, and I would point him to but he had the guts to pick up the phone and call So, Joey, if you're brand new and coming in, I'd say, ask questions and don't hesitate to keep reaching out to people. If they're bugging you, they're going to tell you you're bugging me, but get what you need, fight for you and for your family to learn do how to do this.

Joey Romero:

Awesome. Lisa, all right, first day in LA South REIA, what are you telling me?

Lisa Hoegler:

I would say the same thing you just said, and I would say, especially the people who are here with the clubs we're here to help. I've never met a club owner that genuinely is not there to help their members and one of their members, possibly to avoid some of the same pitfalls they fell into, right? Because if they're successful, we're all we're all successful, right? All boats rides together. So I want to see nothing more than my members success. One of the things I would say that saddens me most about being a club leader, is that oftentimes you've built rapport with your members for so long, so many years, you've taught them, you've been there for them, and then they go on, they do a deal, screw it up, and then they come back after the fact and tell you, Oh my gosh, can you help clean this up? And that's so infuriating to me as a Club member, because we could have helped you avoid it in the first place. So I would encourage people who are brand new, get in there and learn. Ask questions, but take action, because the best learning you will ever have is if you take action, but don't do it alone. We're there to help you and support you so that you don't make a stupid mistake, and we want to make sure that you succeed, especially in your first deal, so that you can go on to the next one and the next one and the next one.

Joey Romero:

Nice. All right. Dan, I met SDCIA For the very first time. I'm brand new. What do you tell me? The what I'm finding is the most successful are the ones that

Dan Redig:

I'm going to tell you to talk to people, see what they're doing today. What are the most common strategies that are being deployed, right, successfully, even if you're especially if you're in the local market in our area, right? But then don't pick one that seems like it's exciting or fancy or where they're making the most money. Pick something that resonates with your personality and your skills, right? I know a lot of people who walk into this who have no business experience, they've never made an offer anything other than a car maybe, and they don't really know how to get through the wickets and make it work. So there's different strategies, you know, if you don't know hospitality, maybe don't do hotels or short term rental, right? So get with somebody mentorship and learn those things. So yeah, pick something that suits your personality that you can really deliver on, that works with the skills you have now. So you can get moving. You can change later. It's fine, right? Pivot, find a way to stay in the game. but then, and then, yeah, and then, but then get to work. Do the work, even if you don't know what to do, do something every day or any day you can, you know, you never know how it's going to go. I think everybody here and anybody reinvesting would agree that you're going to try 1000 things, and two of them Yes, just keep trying things. Take action all the time. Make are going to work, right? So just get at it. Do the work. offers, I tell them to make offers, right?

Larry French:

You have to stay tenacious. You have to not make it otherwise.

Joey Romero:

All right, Dan, I'll let you lead this. Final question is, how does somebody get connected with SDCIA? When is your meeting? Just tell us all, everybody how they can start going to SDCIA.

Dan Redig:

You got it So our website is sdcia.com it's a wealth of information. Go there. Check out the calendar. Look at the classes and stuff that are coming up. Check out our sponsors, and then come see us. The easy ones are the second

Tuesday of every month at 4:

30 when our networking starts for the main monthly meeting. And then the last Wednesday of every month we have a beer night. We meet at Novo Brewing in Mission Valley, it's a free event. Just come on, come meet us and get your feet wet. Let's go.

Joey Romero:

Awesome. Larry, how does somebody attend your lunch?

Larry French:

Yeah, so we're the third Wednesday of every month, and the easiest way to find us and put a little reservation in to let us know how many seats to tell the restaurant to sit out is to go to the acronym for the club. So the club name is Coachella Valley Real Estate Investors Association. So, cvreia.com.

Joey Romero:

Lisa, how does somebody involved?

Lisa Hoegler:

So we also have a website. It's actually being worked on right now, but it's lasalesreia.com and we are meeting the second Monday of the month where we are new for format online is actually to start at six o'clock. Between six and seven, we have an educational segment, and then our club meeting starts at seven o'clock. So for people who just want to attend that particular topic, they can come from six to seven, and then our club meeting starts at seven, and it goes until nine o'clock with our featured speaker, or if it's a topic we're discussing internally, best way for people to get connected is by sending an Email, actually, to info@lasouthreia.com, and you can do that from our website or just i-n-f-o@lasouthr-e-i-a.com, we'll add you to our list, and then we'll make sure that you're aware of all the events that are coming out and how you can get registered for them.

Joey Romero:

Well, I can't thank you guys enough for jumping on with our show. So everybody out there, we have always been partnered with clubs that were, we feel that you can trust as an investor, obviously, do your diligence. You know, that's probably the first thing that I remember from going to all the clubs with Bruce. Is the first slide is, hey, remember, you got you're responsible for doing your own diligence, whatever. But these, these are telling you to go to these clubs. And we're highlighting these clubs that that we trust, and we would never speak at a club that we didn't trust. So, that's why I'm having these folks on eventually, I like to highlight more. But we started out with the ones that you can go ahead and trust that they're not out there to steal your deals. They're not there to figure out a way how to make money on you. These people are truly, truly in it to help everybody, because when we help everybody else get what they want, we end up getting what we want too.

Dan Redig:

So absolutely.

Joey Romero:

Thank you so much, everybody. I really. Appreciate guys jumping on and we'll see you guys next time.

Lisa Hoegler:

Thank you. Joey.

Dan Redig:

Thanks, Joey.

Narrator:

For more information on hard money loans, trust deed investing, and upcoming events with The Norris group. Check out thenorrisgroup.com. For more information on passive investing through the DBL Capital Real Estate Investment Fund, please visit dblapital.com.

Joey Romero:

The Norris Group originates and services loans in California and Florida under California DRE license 01219911. Florida mortgage lender license 1577 and NMLS license 1623669. For more information on hard money lending go to thenorrisgroup.com and click the hard money tab.