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How Jeff Quit Alcohol for 2.5 Years Without AA

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Speaker 1:

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Speaker 2:

Okay, ladies and gentlemen, we got jeff joining us again with his girlfriend, beth, and jeff did an interview a while back. So jeff is now around two and a half years without a drink. Uh, he's completely changed his life and he's come here today to tell his story and and also beth has come to share some of the things that she's seen throughout this path and this journey that he's been on. But it's awesome to get you back on the channel, jeff. Two and a half years, awesome achievement and thank you so much for coming, both of you well.

Speaker 3:

Thank you for having us.

Speaker 2:

We're happy to be here because you did you did an interview previously, jeff, and I think that was about five months sober. So for those of you that didn't watch the video, let's just go back to the very beginning. So let's just talk about the start of your journey with alcohol and how it progressed to what it got to.

Speaker 3:

So let's let's just start there well, alcohol's been pretty much a part of my life from the beginning. I uh, grew up with it in in my young years and, um, it was, it was the popular thing to do back in the eighties, I guess. You know, we, we had Joe Cool and the Marlboro man and it was. You know, it was a rite of passage. You, you, you matured and you hit drinking age and you drank and you partied and it was a pretty normal thing. And my father's side of the family had a ranch and they grew barley for Coors Brewing Company and my mom's side of the family had a farm.

Speaker 3:

So I spent time going back and forth, had a farm, so I spent time going back and forth. And you know, growing up in the rural lifestyle, we went to a lot of rodeos and livestock shows and farm shows and everything was sponsored by a drinking company. It was Jack Daniels, this or Budweiser, something else, and know it was just commonplace. And then I grew up and became old enough to drive and was in my middle teenage years and you've always got a friend who's got an older brother or sister that can drink and they'd go out and they'd, they'd buy us, they'd buy us youngsters alcohol and we would go find places to be and go find things to do, and where I lived there were always little spots outside of town where people could go and hang out and just mingle usually it was by a lake that we had near town.

Speaker 3:

But you just go out and you you'd get your, your beer or whatever you had and you would drink and then, uh, graduated high school and moved off to college and you know, now you're out in the real world and partying happens and it was drink and study and sleep, and drink and study and sleep. And just every day as an adult, you know, if I didn't have a job to do or work to go to, I had a drink. I always had drinks and lots of relationships were based on drinking, just every part of life. You know Most people, I'm sure, sure, can relate to that that it's just as common as watching the sun come up every day. You know, it's just always has been there.

Speaker 2:

So when did you start thinking, hmm, I don't know about this. Like, should I really be doing this? When did you start questioning your relationship with alcohol?

Speaker 3:

Well, I've probably always questioned it. But you know, you have events and things happen in life and I used to smoke cigarettes and used to own tobacco too and I always knew that that stuff was bad for me. And you know, I eventually got to a point where I just decided that I needed to quit and talked about it more in detail in our first video. But my dad had had a heart attack and he was a smoker and when I saw him in the hospital I realized right then and there that I didn't need to smoke cigarettes anymore and that was a pretty easy, an easy quit.

Speaker 3:

And you know, the drinking thing is always so part of everybody's life. You know, you're taught from the time that you're a kid that someday you're going to be old enough and you're going to drink and you're going to this and you're going to that and it's. You know, it's how you fit into society and conform into the, the normalcy of an everyday routine. And you add the drinking so that one was a little more difficult to separate because it's almost like it's a part of you. And I had, I had quite a love affair with beer and I really enjoyed beer. I would always have beer. And then you know you did. You come to a point where you start thinking that I probably ought to not be doing this because this is one of those slippery slopes.

Speaker 3:

One of your other clients, in a video that he did, talked about it having a snowball effect. And things started to snowball in my life and at one point I had gotten a DUI and it wrecked a very nice job opportunity that I had. So I battled a lot of demons and guilt over that and a lot of it was the embarrassment because my peers knew that I had gotten in trouble and that was almost as bad as losing the job opportunity. And then the thoughts about quitting started to kick in then. But you have to get to a place.

Speaker 2:

When was this, when were these thoughts Around? What time.

Speaker 3:

Probably back in 2005. Okay, cool, that's all good. And I was in a relationship with someone else then and that relationship was built on alcohol. It was just hang out and drink and party and have a good time, and one part of that that was problematic was that I had friends and family members could see that things were not normal. I guess not. Not the way a healthy relationship and partnership should be. And you know, of course, when you're, when you're in, that you don't always see. You always don't see clear through the tunnel. And then when that relationship ended, I started to realize that you know the the drinking stuff is is more of a problem than maybe I give it credit for. And then I always just kind of figured that this was part of me and it's who I am and it's just my life and I need to figure out how to control it better. Now that I look back on it, it was really just kind of excuse making. I didn't want to cope with it and I didn't want to deal with it.

Speaker 2:

What was it? It just started to interrupt you, but it was like it sounds like you felt totally attached to it, like there was no way you could ever separate yourself from it.

Speaker 3:

Oh, I think so. I, you know, as a former smoker, I felt that way too, and a lot of smokers will probably tell you the same thing. When, when you're heavily tied into the addiction, the last thing you want to do is give it up. And the first time you try and you experience a moment of stress, the first thing you do is you go to that security blanket or that crutch, whether it be cigarettes or cocaine or alcohol, whatever the case. So every time something would happen in my life, I would always rely on the alcohol to help me forget or to help me cope. And then when she and I met, I was really pretty much just a beer drinker then and we went I don't know 10, 10 years probably, I guess and then the whole covid thing happened so hang on.

Speaker 2:

So this is around. Uh 2012 you met 2011, 2012. Yep, yep, in that ballpark so then 10, so around 10 years of now beer drinking only. Yeah, and then when, Just so those 10 years it was kind of how was that? Was that just like up and down at all, or was it kind of?

Speaker 3:

just leveled out. Well, it was. It was still part of my daily routine. You know, every time we were together I was drinking beer and you know she might have she might have some stuff to say on that, I don't know for sure but I spent quite a lot of time just drinking. You know she would come over to visit. We were still dating in those days. We weren't living together yet like we are now. So we'd go out and do stuff and there was always dinner and drinks or one of us would cook and we'd have drinks and we'd always for me anyway, she barely touches the stuff. But and then we moved in together and COVID happened and here in the States everything was on lockdown and I would watch a lot of YouTube and I discovered a bunch of whiskey channels on YouTube and started following these channels.

Speaker 3:

And the next thing I know I started diving into whiskey, experimenting with whiskey, and she'll tell you, I'm the type of person that when I get something in my head I spend a lot of time learning about it and I analyze stuff and I research. And the next thing I knew I was following the American history behind bourbon and I was learning about different distilleries. So then I was buying all this different kind of stuff and it really became a pretty intense hobby and I got to the point where I was on like secondary markets looking for high-end stuff. I was friends with all markets looking for high end stuff. I was. I was friends with all the liquor store owners and we would all help each other look for premium alcohol, premium stock, premium, whatever, tequila, and you know we talked about it in the first video.

Speaker 3:

I had amassed a pretty large, uh, whiskey collection and after some time that sort of became kind of a problem just to talk about, because people would come over and they would be like what is all of that? You know, I could tell it was quite a bit over the top. So and then we probably had, we probably started having some problems over the over the whiskey I would drink quite a bit during the day and then at nighttime, when it was getting ready to be over with for the day, I'd break out the hard stuff and usually it didn't take very long and she'd be saying well, haven't you had enough, or do you need more? Why do you need that? I didn't really, didn't really pay much attention to it. You know, I kind of selfishly would blow her off and I would keep drinking.

Speaker 3:

And I know that it was affecting our relationship and she has children from a previous marriage and I know that it was setting a pretty unhealthy example for them and it was causing stress and pain and trauma amongst the children and her and I. And I know I was pretty angry. I was a pretty angry individual. It didn't take much to set me off and I don't know. I guess I can keep going, but where do we want to go from this point?

Speaker 2:

It's up to you how much you want to share. Now we know that it's impacting your life. What would you say were the main things, beth, at this point, when it was starting to cause problems, what shift did you see happen?

Speaker 4:

Well, we had some problems with the beer too, because it was just constant, it was constant. And then, you know, with the COVID he was learning and he would tell me all this history about all this different things and it was a little bit interesting. But then the bottles started coming in and it was like, yeah, it was questioning how much is too much? And you know he would tell me, you know, well, there's you know I was talking to so-and-so, and you know that person just drinks way too much and you know his, his girlfriend's really upset about it and stuff. And I'm like, well, you know, you can back off too.

Speaker 4:

Um and then there were times where he would, and I thought things would be going a little bit easier and it would be less than then, all of a sudden, it'd just be another glass and it's like so, yeah it, it got to be a pretty heavy problem.

Speaker 3:

You always think you're in control when you're out of control, but you don't realize it. And when you back off to accommodate someone else, I think subconsciously that creates a little bit of animosity, because you're angry that someone's getting in your business and you just think I can handle this, this is my thing. I can, I can do this, you know. But until you really truly fall flat on your face I don't think it really becomes that clear. You know and you don't realize, or maybe you do realize, but you're so far into the fog of it all that you don't necessarily care. You're just self-absorbed into what you're doing. You know it created some heated moments. You know it created some heated moments and I don't know. I think probably if it would have continued going on the path that it was, she probably would have left me or I would have managed to hurt myself or ended up in a jail cell somewhere you know, thankfully no one got hurt, but you know, things happen yeah, so this is around 2021, 2022, covid, uh, things are getting worse.

Speaker 2:

Uh, you and it sounds like there's like a war in your head, right. There's one side of you that's like I got this under control, it's not that bad, leave me alone. But then there's the other side of you that knows it's impacted the relationship. You're not setting the example. You want want to. So it's like this constant battle, right, but then you kept drinking.

Speaker 3:

Yeah Well, growing up, where I grew up, there was a lot of stock put on a man being a man, and men didn't admit that they have a problem. You don't admit to cheer and pain, you don't show weakness. You have to be strong, especially when there's others that you provide for. That's how I was raised and I didn't want to come out with it. So I guess that's where the whole willpower part of dealing with stuff like this doesn't really work, of dealing with stuff like this doesn't really work because as soon as you try to force yourself to change, you automatically begin a contradiction with who you think that you are and who you really aren't. You know, I thought that I was strong enough to deal with it and I didn't need anybody's help and I could handle it. And you know I would throttle back or ease off and be like, yeah, okay, see, I can, I'm in, I'm in full control of this.

Speaker 3:

And you know there's a stop drinking book out there and the author talks about the drinking addiction is a pitcher plant and every human being is on the lip of this pitcher plant and everyone who tries a drink takes a step into the pitcher plant and they start to slide down to the bottom, and at the bottom of the pitcher plant is the organism that eats all the bugs and the stuff that comes into that.

Speaker 3:

And I started to realize that I was sliding really fast and the more that I tried to fight to get out of it, the deeper I was going in. And you look around and you see what's going on, but you just still have that, that masculinity part of you that doesn't want to admit to it and and you're not, you're not, you're not really interested in other people putting pressure on you, because that makes you feel weak. And it certainly made me feel like I was weak and I wasn't about to have that. So I brushed that aside and you know that's how it is. When you're deep into it, you don't see things from the outside, you only see it from your one perspective and I think sometimes it hurts the other people that are close to you and care about you more than you're really hurting yourself.

Speaker 2:

Yeah so you were trying to change with willpower and you use the example from Alan Carr's book the Picture Plant, and it's all about how you were trying to change with willpower and it, and you use the example from Alan Carr's book the picture plant and it's, it's all about how you.

Speaker 2:

You were never, that's right. Yeah, you were. You were never really in control, because as soon as you land on the plant, you can't get off anyway, and yeah, it's a great example. So. So you were trying and trying and trying and the harder it became, in a way, but then, in the same time, you didn't want to get help because you're a man and you can handle business. So you're in this this, this, this bit of a pickle with your situation, like you can't stop, but you're trying to stop, but you want to do it on your own.

Speaker 3:

Yep, that's right, that's pretty much it. And then, um, that's pretty much it. And then we have some horses and a few acres of property. And I got really, really drunk one day and then I called her from outside in the barn and I told her that I thought that I was having a health issue like a legitimate health issue, really, what it was that I was just so drunk that I was ready to pass out pretty much. And I did. And before that happened, I told her I said you need to come out here and get me.

Speaker 3:

And when I woke up she was out there in our barn with her two youngest twin sons and there were a bunch of paramedics in there and they were banging on my face and they were hooking me up to some ivs and waking me up and they wanted to take me to the hospital and put me under observation overnight. And we declined that and she brought me back up into the house and you would think that that would have been enough is enough for the night, right? No, she put me in a hot bath. And then what did I do? Turned around and had a couple more snifters of bourbon. After all that had happened, I had to have a couple more snifters of bourbon. I left that part of the story out in the first video, by the way, and I just remember lying there looking at her and I could just see this level of disgust on her face. I guess it broke my heart. I was drunk, but I didn't realize it at the time.

Speaker 3:

But when I woke up the next day I certainly knew that I had pushed myself right up to the edge of the cliff and if I kept going we were going to get down a really bad road. So I'd been watching a lot of Sober Clear videos on YouTube and I'd always seen your links on there and I finally told her. I said I think I'm going to give this a shot because I didn't want to go to AA. I happened to know a couple people that were in AA at the time and I was already miserable enough from my own self-induced pain and I didn't want to struggle like they were, the level of guilt that they experienced from going to their group sessions and to be told that you have this, this disease that's incurable and you're going to be in this horrible fight for the rest of your life.

Speaker 3:

I just I didn't buy into that. So I I knew that I could conquer addiction because you know I conquered cigarettes. I was a two and a half three pack a conquer addiction because you know I conquered cigarettes. I was a two and a half three pack a day smoker sometimes, you know Thanks. So I just there was a part of me that was in there that knew that there was a way to get out of the hole that I had dug myself and I told her.

Speaker 2:

I said we're just going to give this a shot and we'll uh, we'll see if he gets back to me. Just to, just so you'd been uh to go back. So was did you start watching videos and learning about things before the incident in the bomb?

Speaker 3:

oh yes, I'd been watching videos for probably close to six months.

Speaker 4:

Okay cool.

Speaker 3:

I had read Alan Carr's book and I read another book by an author named Annie Grace, if you could mind. But the videos, your videos on YouTube, were more compelling, I guess because you could put a face to it instead of just words and it all made sense. But every time you had a video you always have to click the link or watch this other video or set up a call, and that drives on you once in a while or after some time of seeing that over and over and over again and I just thought you know what we're, we're gonna, we're gonna try this. And the next thing I know we were talking and I was waiting for you, jeff.

Speaker 2:

I was waiting all that time I'm sure you were here we are.

Speaker 2:

So you okay. So because I know you were saying before you, you felt like you know I can handle business, whatever. What was the point where you said you know what, I don't want to do this on my own, like I'm actually gonna, because it takes a lot of courage to actually say I want help, and that takes more courage than doing it on your own. So how would you describe the feeling of actually reaching out to help? Did you feel good about it? Were you afraid? What did that feel like?

Speaker 3:

No, I didn't like any of it. I felt completely defeated and you remember that first call we were on I was broken full of pity wall of goo probably You're a different man.

Speaker 3:

Well, I feel a lot different now, but I know that I was in a sad sack state, feeling sorry for myself, and I was feeling pretty broken and defeated and I didn't really know where I needed to go and where I needed to proceed with making these changes. I just knew that I didn't want to go into a group thing or a rehab thing or anything like that and, judging by the books those other two books and watching the videos, I'd already convinced myself in my mind that I didn't need that. But I, I needed some guidance and I didn't know how to put all the pieces together. I, I, I had the building blocks, I just didn't know how to arrange them.

Speaker 3:

Getting involved with your program Put everything in line and it was a Instantly Bright, shining light. When the light bulb came on, it was just bang and it made perfect sense and I walked away from it. The day after that barn incident. That was the last I had actually drank, and then I, going through the program, I didn't drink at all and then by the time I was done with the program, I, I didn't even care to have another drink, so I just walked away. We've been rocking ever since.

Speaker 3:

Can you remember how long it took you to work through the first half of the program.

Speaker 2:

I think I was done in four days. Nice, and then boom finished. And here we are two and a half years later. It's gone like that right.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, it's been light speed, but I was done. When I clicked the button to call you Interesting, I just didn't know it. It hadn't registered. I knew I wanted to be done but I didn't know that I'd already made the decision.

Speaker 3:

I didn't know that I'd already made the decision and then going through the program and studying the modules, as I said, it put those building blocks in the appropriate order and it became abundantly clear, just plain as day. So yeah, and two and a half years, I never would have thought, never, never would have thought this would have been me.

Speaker 2:

Now I get goosebumps, man, I'm getting goosebumps, I love this, so, so, all right. So let's, let's go back to like the beginning of when you stopped. So you went through the program. Boom, light bulb, moment. You're done, so can you? Can you remember like the first few months of stopping?

Speaker 3:

well, she can probably help me a little bit. Uh, I missed it. At first I felt like I had lost an old friend a little bit.

Speaker 4:

I hear that.

Speaker 3:

We would go to the grocery store to buy our groceries and I would have to walk by the liquor aisle just to see what there is and reminisce.

Speaker 4:

You still do. Yeah, every once in a while, I will walk by.

Speaker 3:

I travel for a living, I spend a lot of time in hotels and they all have bars. So you know, I'll walk by, take a look, see what they got, but it's never, ooh, I want that. I don't have a craving, I just I see a certain bottle of a certain kind and I I'll be like, yeah, I remember what I did when I was drinking that stuff. Or you know, I'm glad I'm not buying that anymore or thinking about buying that anymore.

Speaker 2:

Interesting.

Speaker 3:

I think mostly now when I look at alcohol. You know even my family growing barley for the Coors Brewing Company.

Speaker 3:

You know I'll walk into a liquor store or a restaurant and I'll see Coors there in the beer cabinets or whatever and I'm like, oh yeah, yeah, some Coors. But I don't get emotional about it, I don't think, boy, I need that. Sometimes I'll make a fleeting comment to her, like after a long, hard day or you know, some sort of weird stress or trauma. We recently one of our horses was really really sick with a blood infection and the vet finally gave him a clean bill of health. And I looked right at her and I said you know, I could chew yours a beer right now, but we didn't and that's all it was. There was no craving. It was just a comment, just a passing remark. You didn't, it didn't lead to anything. There there's no desire, but it's just when you go back to those those types of memories of how you used alcohol to deal with problems that stuff just pops in there yeah, it's totally normal.

Speaker 2:

You'll never remove the thought of drinking. But what I've noticed because it's almost been seven years is that the first few months I thought about it a lot more and then the thoughts just kind of went down, down, down, until it was like once every six months, and then, honestly, I can't remember the last time I actually thought about alcohol, where I just got that idea of like, oh, beer, do you know? So, so that's normal what you're experiencing, but it's, it's what you do with the thought, right, but so that's exactly right yeah, so so right.

Speaker 2:

So what? What good stuff starts happening in your life?

Speaker 3:

so I started sleeping a lot better. You know when, when you're living life in a whiskey bottle, you go to bed and not sleep properly. I started sleeping better and I had a lot more motivation to do stuff in the mornings. And you know, I don't know, what did you see? I guess?

Speaker 4:

A lot more brighter. Yeah, he was quick to temper beforehand and that was just gone. He gets angry from time to time, but it's there and gone. It's not. He didn't hold on to it anymore Slow boil with the volcanic eruption right. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4:

They do more things. You know they're a lot happier. There's there's no drinking, it's, it's not. It's just not there anymore. You know he doesn't need it. You know if we go somewhere or he's going, we're working in the yard all day. You go through, you know a pretty, a pretty penny Now it's just do you need some water? And he's like, yeah, sure. So you know, but I mean the the work goes smoother, everything goes easier. It's just happier. We're able to do more things together.

Speaker 2:

So the relationship sounds like it's it's night and day different.

Speaker 4:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 4:

Yeah.

Speaker 3:

You know. But the other thing too, talking about just living our lives, you know I was always deceptive too to to her, you know, cause I knew that. I knew that if she sat there and watched me drink, eventually at some point she was going to start nagging me about whether I, if I, had had enough or not. Do you need another? Do you need another? I didn't want to hear it. So when I would go to do things outside or work on a horse or a car or something like that, I'd always just take, take some with me out there so she wouldn't have to see me come digging around in the refrigerator, you know. And I I figured in my mind that she just wouldn't notice. You know she's not going to notice if, if I come in like every three hours and grab a beer, she's never going to know. But in reality I drank six or eight or ten or whatever it was.

Speaker 2:

They know, Jeff, they know everything oh yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 3:

But the point I'm getting to with that is that deception is gone, that manipulation isn't there, and it's not that I wanted to be hurtful, I just didn't want to deal with it. So her family is very close, so my family is not. And when we first started getting together, we'd always have to have multiple family functions for the same event, especially when all of the children in the family were younger and all these cousins were in younger ages. So we would always have to go to someone else's house for something, or they would. Everybody rotates who would host a gathering or an event. Everybody rotates who would host a gathering or an event.

Speaker 3:

And you know I, I would hide alcohol somewhere where I could get to it under easy access, so that people wouldn't have to see me going to the bar or going to the fridge to to pour something else, you know.

Speaker 3:

And in my silly mind I'm like, yeah, boy, I'm getting away with something here, no one's going to know. And it was all a facade and a deception. And you know, she has a brother-in-law that likes to drink scotch from time to time. Well, he, we, I would drink scotch with him a little bit and and he would have one drink and I would have five and no one would see me. But yet I always had a full glass. So I always thought that I was keeping it incognito. I know now, when you look back at it, you're just like, well, that was just so dumb, so stupid that you think that you're just pulling off this magic trick and no one's going to see it. And I tell you what it's really nice to not think about any of that stuff anymore. It's almost a little bit embarrassing and I feel guilty about it.

Speaker 3:

Now I'm just like you know where was my moral decency? Where was my moral decency? The alcohol takes it all away from you and you don't even realize it until you're clean and clear-headed. I guess for lack of a better way to say it I was just shitty. I was just shitty, I just wanted to drink and that's where my focus was and I didn't really care otherwise. I, I wanted my fix and that was it. And uh, I've got a friend of mine. He has a daughter who is fighting heroin and she says similar things when I want my junk, I want my junk and I don't care.

Speaker 3:

I felt that way too. With the drinking it's turned 180 degrees and we've made new friends and lost some friends. But the first few months was weird. It really is like losing an old friend. And then I got to a point where I was doing so much stuff in the day I didn't even understand how I could do the things that I did when I was drinking, because I only had one hand. My other hand was always carrying a drink. It's been a whirlwind. It's hard to put it into words and I know I'm rambling on, but two and a half years later it's gone by in a flash.

Speaker 2:

Tell me more. What are the good things that have been happening?

Speaker 3:

Well, I've had a couple promotions in my job that have been rather lucrative. I don't know if that has anything to do with the not drinking part of it. I don't know if that has anything to do with the not drinking part of it, but when I was drinking I never thought that I would get promoted any higher than where I was at. In my position at my employer been pretty good and well. The family dynamic at home I would say by far is the best part of it, just the vast improvement. Just to put it in a nutshell, I guess Would you agree, beth?

Speaker 4:

Oh yeah, absolutely, absolutely. Everything's easier now. There is no hiding and no fighting about the alcohol, and the days just run easier. They're more fun.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, we do a whole lot of stuff. And then we get to hang out on the couch and she likes to watch her crime dramas, so we sit and watch that. We'll have a have bowl ice cream.

Speaker 2:

So right, I don't want you to, I don't want you to sell the program, but I want you to think back to you two and a half years ago before you actually like ask for help. If you could go back to somebody else else that's in a similar position right now, where they're like you know, I want to change, but I'm not sure what to do. I don't need to sell the program. I want you to give them your advice, like from your perspective. If someone's there, like you know, I know I want to change, but I feel too proud to go and ask for help, right? What would you tell that person?

Speaker 3:

well the too afraid to ask for help part. The easy answer to that is is you got to swallow your pride. You got to swallow your pride and and and step up to the plate and realize that that your world isn't just really about you. You here, I'm taking on the duties as a step-parent, and I wasn't just failing myself, I was failing everybody. So you've got to swallow your pride and you have to make a decision in your head and commit to it fully. You can't play it off and be casual about it. I've been casual about wanting to quit for probably 25 or 30 years. I know this is bad. I know this is bad. I got to stop.

Speaker 3:

Every time you get drunk and you're hungover the next day, oh, I'm never doing that again. And then what happens? You're in the exact same thing, praying to the porcelain gods. You have to have a level of commitment and don't be embarrassed about asking for help. If you don't feel you can conquer it on your own, then just ask.

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And the support mechanism we have on the inside of this program through the Slack I know you told me not to sell it, but that portion of being involved in a group of similar and like-minded people is really a help.

Speaker 3:

You know, and we're all positive towards one another. There's no guilt, there's no depression, there's no pain, anger, and I'll tell you what that makes it a heck of a lot easier to handle, of a lot easier to handle. And you know, you've got to be able to stand up and you also have to look at yourself in the mirror and realize that you've done some things that aren't real, becoming of your personal character, and I said in the first video, you got to stop whining about your problems. But you also have to learn how to forgive yourself and realize that you've made mistakes and you've screwed up. It doesn't make you a bad person, it just makes you a little off, I guess. So that would be. My advice is to make a decision to do something about it. First and foremost, forgive yourself and don't be afraid to ask for help.

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