TIP 'Movie Night' | Max Spiers - MK ULTRA Survivor Testimony Interview with Makia Freeman (2013)

In a 2013 interview with Makia Freeman, Max Spiers outlined his alleged involvement in the "Project Mannequin" supersoldier program and the existence of a subterranean, non-human controlled, mind-control facility in England. The discussion detailed his claims of psychological deprogramming, the elite's use of occult rituals, and the theory that the Moon functions as an artificial, frequency-based control mechanism over human consciousness.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:01

Okay, welcome. This is Makia Freeman and Terry here from Tools for Freedom. And we have a very special guest today, Max Spears, is here with us. And he's a whistleblower, a former um MKUltra um person who's coming out and bravely stepping forward to share his story. So welcome, Max. Thanks very much for being with us.

SPEAKER_03 0:22

Hi, Joe Colleague.

SPEAKER_00 0:24

So why don't you just jump straight into it and and um and tell us what your background is and and you know how you came to be involved in in this strange world of mind control and new world order and everything.

SPEAKER_03 0:42

Um I'd always been had a fascination since I was a kid um with things that were hidden and things that were um like UFOs, even from like three, four, five years old, I was interested in UFOs. And I'd had a lot of uh bizarre experiences when I was a child. Um when I'd wake up in the night, I would have some strange things happen to me. And so uh as I got older, I wanted to find out what those things were because they had affected me so much and they had kind of um filtered through my daily life. Everything that I'd done as an adult seemed to go back. I'd get triggered and then go back to these moments as a child. So I I wanted to look more into it. And then I mean into the summer, really, and then when I turned 31, I had um a whole lot of memories come back at one time over a period of two weeks, and uh over this two-week period, uh every day and every night, these memories would come back, and they contradicted what I had thought had happened to me when I was growing up. And so the further I looked at them, because they were extreme, the more avenues opened for me, and then um I started to meet other people who confirmed these things, and uh so so now I'm here, 36 years old, and I'm here now, because uh it's led me to this point.

SPEAKER_00 2:10

Well that wow, that's incredible. And um I think people first heard about you in in general when you did the Project Camelot interview with Michael Prince. Um is that the first kind of main public interview that you did?

SPEAKER_03 2:24

Uh I've been I've done radio interviews a year, two years before, in connections to the Super Soldier Summit with Lorraine Prenton in 2012. So um I've I've done radio interviews in terms of uh uh on camera, that was the first one of that.

SPEAKER_00 2:43

And uh I I know you mentioned that um, you know, that that was obviously a very controversial interview, and um obviously you and Michael are two different people with with different views and and values and everything. Um, you know, is it was there anything you wanted to say about that interview that uh you know, anything you wanted to kind of expand upon or clarify or um talk about?

SPEAKER_03 3:06

Um that's jumping that's jumping into it uh kind of deeply. I wanted to kind of paint a picture from the beginning, but in terms of that, there are a lot of um there are a lot of ideologies that I disagree with um in terms of what Michael believes. And um we've kind of come to a fork in the road in in uh in how we believe things should be done. I I never held a lot of the extremist regards that he holds, I never did, but um I have a lot of respect and a lot of part for Michael because of what he's been through, and uh there are a lot of uh parallels and things in connection with me. Um from a child I remember him when he was a child.

SPEAKER_00 3:50

Right. Okay, well then let's let's just back up a little bit. Um so you you mentioned that you started re you know remembering things when you were 30 or 31. Um was was it was it traumatic and difficult for you to to kind of go through this to realize that you'd been deceived and lied to and and and that you know nothing was what it seemed?

SPEAKER_03 4:12

Uh yeah, that was the most that was the most difficult thing about it. I think that uh betrayal is really uh the the the key word in that. Um but it was very difficult on my psyche because when you when there's been um when there's been parallel lives, because it's almost like there's been dual lives living on our lifetime, and and a big, almost like a shadow side over myself where where a whole lot of other things have happened. And that I'd always been, I think generally when people are looking into the the MK Ultra subject, if you become obsessive with it, if you keep you know trying to learn things to do with it, there's a reason for it. And um, usually around the age of 29, 30, 31, there's a period where there becomes bleed through in the mind, in the memory, because this is a lot of uh hidden memories that go into uh how how uh an chaotic slave or a monarch slave or any of these things is created, but that where there comes a breakdown in programming around that time and you begin to remember. And either at that point you will refuse it, and a lot of the times people will go on, there's a lot of psychiatric medication that can be used, uh, because a lot of the the uh the um psychiatric side of this uh medications are created to repress those memories. There's a false memory uh foundation, and the the the pharmaceuticals use will shut that shut that down. So you either go into a uh tailspin and refuse to accept it, or you'll push through and come out the other side and realize that um something else has gone on. And I I did. I came through the outside of it and realized that um it was important that I had to accept it because it is a huge part of the denial. When you when you deny it, you then push it down further. The alcohol, drugs, one sort of any of those things repress that and uh uh they compound those feelings and hold you into the prison better experience and worse place to do.

SPEAKER_00 6:14

Yeah, that that's very well said. Um and and so what what stage are you at now with your unraveling of all of this? I mean, you know, how much how much do you think you've uncovered and and integrated back into yourself, and how much do you think there's there's still to uncover?

SPEAKER_03 6:30

Um I have done a lot of work. Certainly in the last five, six years, I've done a lot of work. Um every time I think I've understood what's going on, there seems to be another level to it, and it seems to be another layer to it. I had to come to the conclusion that really I don't know anything because there's a lot of arrogance associated with this too, because you still there's a lot of uh messianic complex, messiah complex connected to it, because when you realize these things, people start to think that they are grinder down or better than everybody else, because you are having a whole side of uh the world and realizing a whole side of the world that that most people don't tap into. And if you when you realize that you know if you're creamy to it, you become grinder down. And uh that is that isn't the case. Most of the population is traumatized on a grand scale, and uh we're addressing all those things. And I can go into how that's done, but uh I think it's important to understand that you never really know, and until we collectively understand it, until we collectively all realize that something's been done to everybody on a grand scale, um, we're not going to be able to move through it. And I as an individual, I'm I'm identifying that it's been done to me. But culturally, this other people realize that it's been there's been there's a in this country, there's about uh almost two million people who've gone through the NK Option program. If there's two almost 300 million, that that's I don't know, six, seven percent of the people here. So that's a lot of people.

SPEAKER_00 8:08

Yeah, yeah, it it is. And um I really like what you said about how the the population of Earth as a whole is under some kind of spell um or is under some kind of mind control because it's you know, when when you look at the the mass hypnosis that's going on, how people just just get brainwashed so easily and and by government or propaganda so easily, and how the government's able to pull off false flag attacks like 9-11 and and lots of other things, and and people just buy it and they don't question things. Um it's certainly the whole subject of mind control is something that affects every every living person on earth.

SPEAKER_03 8:44

Yeah, absolutely. And I think that um that uh the N the N K Dog N K is um the German word for control A, so it's mind controller, K-O-N-T-O, T-R-O-L-L-E, I think. Um that was that that version of mind control, because I mean mind control has gone on since since forever, since the beginning of time. You can certainly look in the Egyptian Book of the Dead and uh and the experiment, which is 5,000, 4,000 years old, I think, uh, it will give you uh directions on how to create the mind control slave. So this has for sure been going on at least since then, I'm not sure about before that. But um something happened in the 30s and 40s where uh it was refined and it became a science, it became an art. And as the transference of energy, the end of the Second World War went on into kind of a new eon in the 50s and 60s, which was the growth of a new generation of people, that uh the mic controllers were finished and used uh in a far more broad way. So it was done on NAS. When they realized that there was too many people to control over force, they had to come up with another technique which you could control the masses with, and that was done through microcontrol. And uh it's been at this point, it's so refined down digitally that it's not even done the same way it was done 20 years ago, the ones that I was involved in. But um, I mean I can I I can go into what I understand about uh Project Monarch, which is an extension of Project Bluebird, uh, which was essentially to create sex flames or rich space for uh SRL to satanic ritual abuse. Uh if you want me to go into that.

SPEAKER_00 10:36

Yeah, why don't you talk a little bit about that? Um I don't know if if you have seen Stanley Kubrick's last film, Eyes Wide Shut, um, but there's a famous scene from that where where you know there's like a satanic sexual ritual going on, and um, you know, strangely enough, Kubrick died four days before that film was released. But um yeah, why don't why don't you go into that topic?

SPEAKER_03 11:00

Um, Joel, could you hold on one second?

SPEAKER_00 11:03

Sure.

SPEAKER_02 11:50

Okay, we're really when you are. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:56

Okay, yeah. Um, so I'm ready. You ready?

SPEAKER_00 11:59

Yeah, go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 12:00

Okay. In conversation of connections to uh Eyes of White Chap, is that what that was?

SPEAKER_00 12:06

Yeah. Yeah, I'm I mean, um, you know, s people who have no idea of this realm may have seen that film, and that that may have been the only way they know anything about this. So, I mean, um do you think that film, you know, depicts it well, and then what what do you know about um these these rituals that go on at at the houses and and places of the elite?

SPEAKER_03 12:25

Okay. Um I can tell you that Kubrick was an insider, and um he had access to uh a lot of the higher prior knowledge in the mystery schools working, the Egyptian mystery schools and the Sumerian mystery schools, and um understood Gnosticism to or to the point where he could uh portray it to about probably 30 to 40 percent of what the truth is, because uh the the scenes in that movie are highly dumbed down, highly uh tamer than what really goes on. That movie as a whole is an entire ritual, actually. It uh it's a ritual from beginning to end. So I mean that's a whole off topic. But the the uh the scene in there is um it it only I mean it only goes into it to a point, it doesn't show you uh the the connection. I mean sex of sex and sex and death of what they're trying to pull on and sex and death of the creation, which is um the number 13, which is their sense for, and they're trying to harness uh sexual energy, which is Kundalini energy, and by using which was kind of famously uh uh perfected by Alistair Cole um in the 20s and 30s, and he realized that if you use creative force, energy, kundalini energy in terms of ritual and magic, that you can manifest whatever you want through that. You just have to find the select people who have high energy, uh high pendulum energy to use them, so you have to uh create uh NKO just like go into at some point, use them, bring them into the rituals, uh harness that energy, harness the sexual energy that way. Use it in terms of magic, use it, use it with magic, obviously black magic, and then um use that to summon uh lower vibrational deities and then manifest the reality that way. So I think essentially these beings, these people who uh are doing that, don't have that type of energy themselves. I think that they have to steal it or harness it from other beings to create the reality that they want. So it's it's um through ritual and sex and and death, they're manifesting a reality of like it only goes into the sex, sexuality shot. But um so so it's probably 30% of what goes on there.

SPEAKER_00 15:00

Alright, thanks, thanks for sharing that. And then um before that you were mentioning that um you know you had some knowledge about how MK ultra slaves were used as sex slaves.

SPEAKER_03 15:11

Yeah. Okay, um, so that you can I mean essentially what happens is they usually take a child before the age of three, and um through uh trauma, any physical trauma or sexual trauma, you uh when a child I mean any any any any age really, but it they usually take a child before the age of three, and they like to do it at the age of three, three, three number for names a year. Um they uh uh abuse the child in whichever way they decide to do it. And at that point, rather than uh consciously go through the trauma, going through the child, uh separate off so it doesn't have to live the trauma, almost uh separate from the body, and uh uh find that it's almost finding a spot inside themselves so they don't have to go through what they're going through. And when that happens, it fractures the mind almost into a honeycomb, and then they that's how you you uh manifest other personalities. Now there are certain traumas, electric electric shock, and other ones that will shadow the mind into many uh honeycombs, separate personalities among those. And then within each one of those uh compartmentalized personalities, if you know what you're doing, then you can lay in trigger words, sounds, colors, smells, hand gestures within the uh compartment, and that can then be used to bring forth that specific personality. So you could that usually it's referred to as a front folder or a front personality, that's the daily walk-around personality that people have. So they'll walk around having no clue because each one of the personalities inside themselves is not aware of the other one. So um when you're walking around in a daily life, you know, on a daily, day-to-day basis, going to work, coming home, going to restaurants, etc., that personality is not aware that it could have 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 personalities as well. And only a uh specified handler or somebody else who knows what they're doing would be able to bring forth anyone of the other ones. Now uh anyone of the other personalities could be used for any multiple ones that could be used for sex slavery, that could be used as a Manchurian candidate. I think the Manchurian candidate is an interesting movie. I'm sure it was ties in. Um they used the symbolism of I think it's the Queen of Hearts in the movie. When uh the Manchurian candidate sees the Queen of Hearts, that's the symbol that will bring forth the other personality who go ahead and make a hit or uh do what is told in terms of that. So you can have you could have uh a highly trained historic, you could have a highly trained uh sex professional, you could have a highly trained musician, or all in these other compartments that weren't aware that any of the other ones existed and could be brought forth on command by somebody who you want to get. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_00 18:14

That makes sense. That's the handler, yeah. And so how how how much of um of kind of what you've been through in the last six years have you just had to learn on your own or researching on the internet or getting together with other micro control victims? And how much, I mean, do you still have contacts within um high up in the military or in these secret societies? Like, do you do you know who's who's doing this and can you kind of access those people?

SPEAKER_03 18:43

Um I have okay, so so where is that general established that the people generally who are who are picked and used for these programs um come are usually connections to certain bloodlines. And um now on my father's side, I'm I'm connected to the Huguenot, the Huguenot family, which is um uh family which is out of Charlemagne in France, it's connected to them very names. And on my mother's side, it's a it's an opposing family, but it is still uh goes back to Charlemagne. So my roots on both sides of my parents come out of uh uh France, and not after the French Revolution. So they I think that um there is there's a certain part of me that had to accept that my parents were um connected up so that I would be born, so that I would be used to the things that I've been used in. Uh I think that so much has been hidden from me in terms of uh who and what, no, who exactly knows what, but um I I I have connections to people now who are helping me out, um, who've been um gifts to me to allow me to be able to uncover a lot of things. Certainly two or three people who've come into my life who uh basically direct over the last three years who specifically reprogrammed me and allowed me to come back into myself. Because um I became after it after I turned 31, um, it was too clear to me that this was going on. There was no more about me second guessing. I knew it was going on new top. And so I had to um accept it. And so um I had searched searched for the last five years to try and find out more. And as soon as I said, as soon as I truly accepted it, that's when people came into my laptop around to find out what was going on.

SPEAKER_00 20:44

So I have connections to I'm still now to the military because we are and um do you do you suspect that you're still being used for things that you don't know about? I mean, do you suspect this is still ongoing and and that um there are still handlers out there that are that are triggering you into alters?

SPEAKER_03 21:02

Yes. And to be honest, I don't know when or if that actually stops. I know that um around, like I told you when I turned 31, there was uh uh when there's those triggers that are set into the the honeycomb of the mind that when you find out too much or you realize too much, there becomes a self-destruction, a self-destruct program. And that happened to me. And um I had to I went through a period of about two or three years where I didn't uh I didn't know what to do. It was felt very lonely and I felt very isolated. One of the main things that they wanted to do was either get a lot of a lot of uh people who've gone through that around 31 commit suicide. And so they were there was a feeling of like coaches and so I didn't know how to deal with it. And um when I broke through and actually met other people, a few other people too.

SPEAKER_00 22:06

Yeah, I can imagine. And and I mean, how how do you feel about the fact that you might still be being used for certain things and you don't even know? I mean, does does that worry you or scare you? I mean, do you feel like uh do you feel confident you can um wake up in the middle of these things and stop yourself?

SPEAKER_03 22:23

Or no, uh it's an interesting question. Um well I I'm you know this I still have missing time and I still there's still some strange things that go on. I I will um I won't realize what's happened for maybe a two, three, four hour period, and I I will I'll still be at home, but I can't I won't be able to remember exactly what is like that. And I've learned uh over the last 24 months certain words and symbols, there's often symbols and words they have to be used in conjunction with each other. That I've learned uh how so there are certain things that can't be used anymore. Um but yeah, I mean yes, it does worry me. It does worry me, but I I there is so much to understand and learn about this that um if I if I were to let that worry me too much, um deep.

SPEAKER_00 23:18

Yeah, well that's that's great that you've been able to recover um what you have already. And um do you think that there's certain trigger words and symbols that they use for for a lot of people? Um or or or it's individualized?

SPEAKER_03 23:33

Um I think there is on there. I think there are there are uh symbols and words that are used. Uh uh I mean, for example, with uh okay, so when I was when I was a child, I used to wake up about when I was like four or five years old, and I would I would scream when my mother would come to the bedroom, and I would say to her that there were I could feel butterflies in one head. I would feel them flapping and buttering around in my head. And um I for a few years I remember feeling that feeling that was very disoriented. And when I was uh 16, um I got a tattoo and uh on my right shoulder, and I had I have a mono butterfly on my right shoulder. And um I don't really remember getting that tattoo since I got it. Actually, that symbol has been a huge trigger for me. And now uh the connections I've learned and kind of uncovered things uh that have allowed me to understand why that why that symbol is used and then so so long. Yeah, I mean I stand that it's it what what they do is generally, and generally this isn't the full reason of full definition, when there is a lecture shop treatment use, when that is used on uh on a child, they uh will go their eyes will their eyes will be closed and their eyes will roll back, and there'll be uh a sensation of uh flickering eyelids, which will be symbolic of butterfly once that and I think that something like that had I know that that that happened. So certainly a butterfly has been something that I uh inconnect to.

SPEAKER_00 25:11

Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_03 25:13

Um yeah there's a lot of sound frequencies, Joel, too. There's a lot of um certainly uh I stopped really watching TV over the last year, but um certainly in commercials there are a lot of sound frequencies used, and um I have a high-pitched sound in my left ear that comes and goes, and when that happens, I'll almost feel I'll feel the shift in my personal life, I'll feel myself, become a different, different person. So I think now they have it down digitally and it's done, it's done in more of a technological way. It's not so much done with uh symbols like it was 20 years ago. They use sound hards instead.

SPEAKER_00 25:54

And so have you ever been around someone who could who could help you kind of um when you go into this missing time, um, kind of help you snap out of it or help you um realize what's happening? Or I mean what you know what happens if if you're around um friends and then you hear one of these sound frequencies? Is there any is there anything you can do?

SPEAKER_03 26:14

Well, um this is all calculated very well. So um this isn't gonna happen when there's a lot of people around who are questioning what's going on. And I think there is very, very subtle differences in a lot of the uh the personalities that are there. So uh unless unless it was somebody who knew me extremely well, uh they're they're uh I mean they wouldn't know. I mean they would yeah, they wouldn't know. I mean, there's some there's some people in my life who are hype hyper aware of when that happens. But generally, if I'm around people, they they didn't have a food at all. And if something was to trigger in a larger sense, if I mean to do something of uh uh you know on a larger scale, I wouldn't be around other people.

SPEAKER_00 26:59

Right. That makes sense. And so, you know, uh am I understanding it correctly that you've been used for certain um jobs for the elite uh that may have even included being an assassin?

SPEAKER_03 27:13

Right. Um we I I I I I can go into that. I kind of even want to touch on that now. We can go into that later on.

SPEAKER_00 27:22

Okay, sure.

SPEAKER_03 27:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:24

So, you know, where where would you like to take this now? Um is there anything that you wanna want to talk about?

SPEAKER_03 27:39

I think it's important to um and to understand where the basis the basis of this this this came now and the connections to um and um their connections to World War II and what happened there. And I think that um understanding at the end of the Second World War, I think that the Second World War was, I mean, uh and this is standing on a lot of people's feet, but it was uh a manufactured war. And I think there was so much, there was so much uh many double agents going on and people working for both sides at the same time, like they do often of wars. Well, at the end of the Second World War, when the when the Nazis were uh supposed to have been all uh trials and uh and then got rid of, most of them were taken to the UK, the US, and um South America, and then they continued on with their work. And I think that the uh CIA in 1947 was then manufactured founded on Nazi ideologies. So they basically continued their work just covertly, and uh the uh the extension and understanding of mind control then continued on there, and uh the US was then founded, uh the US and the Eco was then founded on uh a new version of Mind Control in the 50s and 60s. So when that that's kind of where it was born out of, and I think that the uh generation X or the flower power generation was found in a lot of uh uh concepts. Like Tavistock is very important in this as well, Tavistock Institute, and my connections to Tavistock as well. And uh Tavistock was the uh initially, I think in 1913 is when the concepts of the came came together. And um it was founded in the uh Taverslock Institute in London, the city founded, and also through Sussex University in uh near Brighton in England. And um they uh my both my parents went to Sussex University and I went to kindergarten at Sussex University, and there were a lot of uh bizarre happenings when I was there. I remember a missing time there, and a lot of things that don't add up when I think about that there. Um I had a I had a uh a very close friend also who was who was at that kindergarten, her name was Meredith Kennedy, and interestingly enough, her you know her initials are okay. She also uh her parents were both uh scientists at Sussex University, and they used to pick me up and take her on life to the university sometimes, and they would say to us, okay, we're going to the lab now. When we go to the lab, um I would remember them parking the car near the university. This university is an extension at App Store. And uh Meredith, this friend of Merrimac was part of the Kennedy family. And when we would get out of the car to go to the lab where her parents would take us, I would then not have any memory of what would happen. And I know now slowly that I have clashes with what was going on then, there would be that weird feeling again, there would be that flattering, and a deep fear would happen. And um so uh this this I'm just trying to tie it together. So so there out of out of Germany you had Freud, and Freud had bases and connections to Tavistock, and how to uh create and manufacture and mold the child's mind. And this is still running for excessive university. So so there are these connections to Tavistock in me and uh that.

SPEAKER_02 31:29

Um say, yeah, sure, go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 31:41

Yeah, I I I I I wanna have to leave the room. It's just every time it does, it's just like it's like a physical. Um recording. Yeah, I I can't function. I mean, can you access the call recorder menu? Is that what's happening? I mean, just headings. Um kind of like beef thing. Yeah, there it is. It's not coming from the same years. Are you sure you have something?

SPEAKER_00 32:54

It's it's a it's definitely synthical. That's something I have to do with this call. I didn't know like that.

unknown 33:02

All right.

SPEAKER_01 33:06

Hey. Hey, welcome back. We're just we're having a technical difficulty. Okay. If we're hearing hearing this beeping sound that is making it to where I'm gonna have to leave the room because I because what it's it's like it's just getting inside my head. Every time I hear the beeping sound, it's like somebody's poking up my brain. I I can I'm I'm very sound sensitive, and it's getting to the point where that that isn't that that's do you not usually have that?

SPEAKER_03 33:33

Is that weird?

SPEAKER_01 33:35

I mean, like it's coming through the speaker, so it's it's connected to our call.

SPEAKER_03 33:39

But I shall I try and call you back and see if that helps?

SPEAKER_01 33:46

Um Sure. It's interesting I don't hear it now.

SPEAKER_00 33:50

But it it kind of it kind of recurs every 20 or 30 seconds. Um but it's no, it hasn't I haven't heard it.

SPEAKER_01 33:57

Is it loud? Oh yeah, there it is.

SPEAKER_00 33:59

No, it's not that loud. Um, yeah, I don't really know how to get rid of it. I mean I've I've heard this for years in different recordings. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 34:11

Okay. Well, we'll just do what it's all right.

SPEAKER_00 34:16

Um so um do you do you want to continue on with what you were saying before, or should I jump into a new topic?

SPEAKER_03 34:25

Um Yeah, so I was just trying to establish uh that you know that um that was just a line uh I understood from from when I now looking back when I was a child that you know with Sussex University connected to if I don't know if you know that Sussex University was the main home um outside of London of Tavistock. Do you know about the Tavistock Institute, Joel?

SPEAKER_00 34:47

Yes, I know about Tavestock.

SPEAKER_03 34:48

Right, and um so there was there's connections to uh Sussex University and uh um the Stanford Research Institute too. And when I was uh when I was uh when I was six years old, I spent a year in Los Angeles, um just right, just right off near where Sapalgota Boulevard is in the San Fernando Valley. And um that's so I left it just when I'm piecing things together, I'm realizing that there are too many coincidences here. Whether that you know when I was originally piecing together with why I know why I went there, it's just for my timeline, I went from you know being around Sussex University a lot to being around the Stanford Research Institute a lot. And there was also another program that was going on at um 999 South Albertville Club where where there was uh junk or spare. Now I don't have any connection to that, I don't know. Uh I'm just saying that that that was part of my timeline. I did go back to the UK uh before I turned seven and I just I stayed there until I was 20. Um so there are connections from that too. Um what else did I want to um tie it in with? Um I had so so I had uh uh I had an intrinsic understanding of the occult when I was growing up. I mean I was around it, my my mother knew a lot about it, but I was I when I when I'd heard it from her, I I just understood how it worked. I understood how why it worked. Like that didn't make sense to me. And I was always drawn to anything that was hidden anyway, um, because the occult was deeply connected to all these programs. All of this is a ritual, ritualistic thing. Um uh so I understood how archetypes work in terms of uh tarot cards and uh astrology, it all it all naturally made sense to me. And I'm not sure exactly how or why that is, but it always did. And I'm so so I didn't when I grew up I wasn't connected with any religion, but I was around uh occult things a lot. And I was uh reasonably into occult and uh she did a lot of uh of pagan traditions, which I uh I didn't see as bad at all, but uh I understood them and how they worked very easily, and I haven't continued along with that uh as an adult. It's just I've always kind of been uh interested in kind of unfolding that. Um yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:28

And and so there's there's an occult basis to um all all of you know the the elite that are running the world and and the military and secret societies. I mean, when when you really look at the power structure, it's it's the black magicians at the very top. Would you agree with that?

SPEAKER_03 37:45

Absolutely. And um the black magicians came, I mean, so uh from what from what I feel, from what I the knowledge that I have, and this is just the knowledge that I have and learn this anywhere over and face the knownness, that's so if you look in a few, uh there was uh it was before the world that we know now, so around 13,000 years ago, there was two continents. Uh that it wasn't separated around like it is now. There's two continents, the Murray and Atlantis. And so if you look really at the Atlantis was around maybe 50,000 years, I may not be fully accurate with that, but uh it's reasonably accurate. But when that did collapse in on itself, um it collapsed due to um the dark sorcerers, the dark wizards that were doing uh what they were doing there. There's basically been a war that's been going on for 50,000 plus years between priests and the scientists. Scientists are working to uh individually separate themselves through technology to make themselves gods individually and govern over the Memphis download. The priests have been uh trying to unify and collectively pull everybody together on a spiritual sense. This war has continued up to this day, and it's happening and it's being played out right now everywhere you look around us. So it's almost like we're going through the same thing that happened 13,000 years ago again. We're going through uh an eon shift or a phase shift where um and it's work history repeating itself again. So, yes, in in regards to your question, yeah, talk about yeah, it's people with magic, black magic, is just the manipulation of electromagnetic energy magic also kids. And if you have an understanding of how to do that, and you keep in the in the uh keep the masses uh thinking that there'll work that it's not real, but you harness it for yourself, you can control everybody. And that's essentially what they're doing. And they do it through ritual and through sacrifice, through sexuality. And they they've created uh uh a world based on that. So at the top of the military, at the top of the monarchies, at the top of any president presidency, they're all using um advanced high measure to run things. Everything was set out on a great all the well all the all the the all the architecture is connected to the grand architect, is all connected to uh high degree Freemasonry, uh high-level understanding of state geometry, manipulation of frequencies because of that. Um back to the cathedrals to all the buildings, they have so they're an obsession with the the grand architect. And um, just to summarize this part, when they're when the capstone of the pyramid can then be placed flat on top of the pyramid, is when the great book of ages is finished. That's what they're that's what they're just they they feel they're just about to accomplish. Or the one the the dark sorceries are just about to accomplish.

SPEAKER_00 41:03

Right, that's that that's when they're gonna declare that their new world order is is you know fully functioning and and um and they have the totalitarian structure in place.

SPEAKER_03 41:13

Um they're pretty close to it.

SPEAKER_00 41:16

Yeah. I I was actually just gonna ask you about that. I mean, um what what do you think people can do to stop this, the average person and people in general, and and and how do you see that the the balance of the battle right now?

SPEAKER_03 41:33

Okay, um I think that uh the planet itself, um, so rather than add my uh connection to all this this time around, well maybe in the next part that I can explain how I'm connected to it. So I'll just explain what's going on at the moment because I uh have contributing information. Um because the planet itself is alive, so it's going through an awakening process and stuff. So the freaking seems the vibration of the planet was raising, and as the planet is connected to the planet as that vibration raises, the awakening understanding of the people um uh starts to use the fog starts to come away. And there is something called the 100 monkey syndrome, um which is when enough people, it's a critical mass concept, and enough people understand or truly uh accept something that's going on, all of us rather than uh somebody else uh understands it and realizes it without being told it. So um a lot of it is to do with acceptance, and a lot of it is to do with um the biggest, the biggest, the biggest MK thing that that that we have that that is on the phone, certainly in the Western world, it's definitely the television, and I'm not trying to be going anti-Western, say down with uh music or movies or anything like that. But certainly now uh not had not watching television like I used to, and then when I'm around it, I I see uh symbols, sounds, and especially in commercials, and and see how uh predictive programming is uh how easy it is to program masses through television. It's unbelievable. And that it's almost like the they live scenario there's a movie they live.

SPEAKER_00 43:21

Yeah, yeah, I've seen that film with the guy who puts the sunglasses on and then he sees which people are reptilians and which aren't. That was a great film.

SPEAKER_03 43:29

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think that is uh that's symbolic all the way through. Sunglasses are symbolic of sort of way of waking up. It's interesting because that sunglasses block out light, and usually you would associate uh light with it being illuminated and understanding what's going on. If you sort of John Carbon maybe that would reverse down the other way, by blocking up the light was then allowed to hear by blocking the light out was then allowed able to see what's going on.

SPEAKER_00 43:58

Interesting. And and on the top. I mean, can you talk a little bit about that? Because there's obviously still a lot of people that are skeptical of it. They just can't believe that reptilians exist. Personally, I I completely believe that reptilians exist not only on this planet, but but off this planet. And can you talk a little bit about whatever experience you have with reptilians and and um also the connection um with with the royal bloodlines?

SPEAKER_03 44:34

Yeah, yeah. Um okay, so uh if we take the the the the uh man today or people today are a a building block creation of an external an external race that was here. So we can take there it goes rather back than this, but if we take it back to the uh Anunnaki race who are uh connected to Sirius B. So Sirius star systems, actually a triastar system, the module X, the fineric star, Sirius A and B, but there is Sirius C as well. They are individual, they are separate, and they have separate uh connections to beings. Sirius B and Niburu, which is a planet because cycles around um cycles around the earth every 3,600 years, is uh connected to the Anna. And uh the Anna are a reptilian-based race of beings who came here uh with the uh trying to take the earth for essentially you're trying to take earth for what it has, or trying to take the resources that the earth had, and they gave them one. I mean, switching covers or Zachary Sitching covers this stuff. I I think that he's probably about from from what I feel, he's about 50 to 60 percent accurate from what he's put down in his books. I think that they they did create a slag of race and they based the human race with the core part, they built the core part with the reptilian uh DNA, and then they put mammalian DNA around that. So which which all and now reptiles and mammals don't uh work together, they don't work in harmony together, they oppose each other completely. So if you contain a being with those two uh parts DNA, because we're 99% of everybody walking around this planet has two strands DNA, and the two strands that they have are reptilian and mammalian DNA. So that this is the only uh consciousness that you can access, just those two streams. And those two streams don't work in harmony, so you can't have them in a physical body, means that everybody is pretty much at war with themselves at all times. And they so they call it the ancient brain, you know, and then uh it's the yeah, it's called the neocortex. I think the neocortex is the mehmaris brain, so it's called the reptilian brains, the small parts, the amygdala, it's the ancient brain. And um it's very real, and uh things like fibro flight, survival, uh violence, violent sex, um, hierarchy, these things have uh come from that part of the brain it's kind of the original problem. And the banality part of the brain is softer, and uh if you look at how mammoths treat their children in comparison to how reptiles treat their children, there's a big difference. But everybody has that part, and meaning the reason they built that inside, I think that's connected to the when people say the original sin or ancient evil or everybody has that, because that part is intrinsic, the inside of every every being on this planet. And I think, and that's the shadow, that's the id that Carl Jurgen talks about. That's the that's the side of ourselves that we don't want to accept as real. And I think that also ties in with the fact that everybody has a saint in the saint or a sinner inside themselves, because they do. Everybody, I think, has the potential to be either one under circumstance under extreme circumstances. And I think that's also where the base basis of mind control came from. And they they so the building blocks of human beings that way, so they could be manipulated. Because you if you have a reptile in brain or self, and you are a reptile yourself, you always know exactly how to manipulate. So this was very carefully calculated and put together.

SPEAKER_00 48:39

Um Yeah, that's that's very well said, and um I completely agree with you. I think I think that the seed of of reptile is in all of us. Um what what about actually as far as reptilian beings or or beings that can shape shift into reptiles and shape shift out again? I mean, what do you have to say on that?

SPEAKER_03 48:57

Okay, well, so um now now so so we're taking it that every being has has a part of the reptilian DNA, and then they go through that and what's in the wound where also some have tails, but through being a fish, being a reptile, being a man, so everybody has that. There are others who have a higher amount of reptilian DNA, who uh are then uh if it goes over a certain percentage, and what what from what I understand, if it's over 50%, then there is the ability to share because the physical form is created by interlocking codes within the DNA. And if you have the ability to unlock, open, and relock the codes in, the DNA codes, then you would change form. And you can even see that people with people with DID and multiple personalities through interviews. When the personality shifts happen, when they change, their iPod can change, or the facial structure can change. And so we know that it's possible to change something about yourself physically, because we see that within that. So shapeshift into a minor that does happen. Um what I understand when um there's something to do with uh blood ritual and magic, and that's done seemingly when uh they are trying to kill if if you drink or if you consume any form of stuff from uh adrenal wears or the pineal wear or the blood, any of the like substances within certain streams, uh more pure streams of human DNA, it allows them allows these particular bits to be able to hold a one and walk around among spots looking a particular way. So uh the question is do I do I think that that happens? I've definitely seen uh that happen before, yes.

SPEAKER_00 50:56

So so you've personally seen with your own eyes um reptilians and people shape shifting?

SPEAKER_03 51:01

Um so I'm not I'm not talking about on a mass level, but um I have seen before, and it's not I haven't seen it where I'm looking and uh so it looks like in a normal 3D, it's more like I'll see the energetic body at the first. So um I there's a there's a around the aura field, the layers of the auric field. Um if you let you know for me, if I let my eyes go and detox, almost like looking at one of those magic eye pictures, those old magic eye pictures, the points you have on the wall, where they're just a bunch of dots. But if you look at them and let yourself react, that picture comes out almost like that. Um I can see the energy field or the actual energy field of what that person is. So rather than a shape shifting thing, not that. But I know that does happen. But I'm saying I I can actually see the uh the real version of what that person is.

SPEAKER_00 51:57

Wow, well that that's amazing. That that's a great ability you have.

SPEAKER_03 52:01

Um I think that was fun. Like I had that since I I have had that since I was a kid, and I think that when you are told uh time and you know over and over again that uh the man in the closet or the you know the it's the boogeyman or sleeping. When you're told so many times that um that what you think is fantasy, you tend to uh ignore those gifts and you repress them and you push them down. But I've always had a connection to uh the child self that I had. Where I've always had I've always been able to relay with that part of me. Uh even no matter how much it was hit around. I think I have a because I have a um because I had to do this, because I have to speak about this, I was always at those protections that I had. And I think there's the child in a sense, but that's why child children are manipulated because when they come through here, they have such an open mind that's not distorted by um uh to this 3D reality that we live in. So I'm able to go back and harness those things that I had as a child so I can still see those things. But certainly for a long time they were pressed and pushed down again, and when it would come up, I would have anxiety and fear because you know you all want to be different. When you see things that you're told are not that are not told by everybody else that aren't real, uh there's a sense of like, am I crazy? Am I what's wrong with you? And so you push them away, I think so. Those abilities are pushed down. I think all the abilities at normal live inside everybody. Everybody has the I'm not special that I have it, uh, more so than everybody else. I just think that they are oppressed so much so especially with chemicals and pharmaceuticals and food and uh toothpaste, fluoride, etc. etc. So these abilities are oppressed. But I think everybody has this ability.

SPEAKER_00 53:49

Yeah, I I agree with you there. Um just just a final couple of questions on the reptilian topic. Um, you know, there's there's been various people who have reported being personally present at rituals where they've seen um certain members of the British Royal Family, for example, um shape shift and turn into reptiles. Um uh and you know, they've also seen certain prime ministers or presidents do it. Um do you have any experience in that or do you know anyone who's had those experiences? Can you comment on that?

SPEAKER_03 54:18

So that it goes back to the bloodlowing thing again. I think that you have to understand that um the British Royal family are deeply entrenched in the Meravingian bloodline, and uh the the Bush family are deeply connected with the British Royal Family. All these bloodlines interbreed and intermarry within each other so that they can maintain this certain DNA stream with these certain abilities. Also, the consciousness that's controlling everything here wants to be able to have um its hand in what it's doing, and there's something about these specific DNA streams which are more easily controllable than other ones, who disassociate and who separate off a lot easier than other ones, and who are corruptible more than the other ones. Um I can definitely tell you that I have had flashes and images connected to uh Prince Charles. And um interestingly enough, uh it's funny because uh the Jimmy Savile thing broke not that long ago, and uh I had uh always felt like there was connections to start with him, and uh it's like when these people die, um it frees a lot of the people who have been abused by. And so then the memories are allowed to recircle. While this person is alive, um the memory is still repressed. So that his death kind of broke up with a dam for a lot of people to realize, and then the second something happened to him, right? He's he's deeply interesting, deeply connected to the shell of panel. So um in the images and things that I've had and the memories that I had that came through uh connections to uh certainly Bush cameras and certainly charles, and I had flash members of Jim Tell to do that uh basically uh a ghost work there.

SPEAKER_00 56:21

Right.

SPEAKER_03 56:22

I I yeah, go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 56:24

Yeah, and then what what what about um I don't know if you know much about this area, but um Steven Greer, for example, um talks a lot about um programmable life forces and how the government is manufacturing um grays and reptilians of different species, but they're not they're not actually real. They're they're just they're kind of clones or machines, but they look real. Um you know, can you comment on that?

SPEAKER_03 56:49

Uh I think that um the programal life forms, yeah, yeah, that's they uh uh a lot of these grays that are here. Um not the so the I know that the the Zeta particularly are are life force and like unto themselves, but there are a lot of times when their reflections get over, that when people see these uh almond-shaped eyed big-headed uh beings, that they just uh cloned life forces to do the bidding of um higher higher ups for them. Um I know that cloning has been going on for a very, very, very long time. It was interesting that the sheep is called Dolly. But they said that was the first cloning that went on the kids. Even with with Dolly Carton, uh the 60s kind of uh temperatures in her name, and her name her name has Dolly Carton. And she was one of the one of the first ones that was manifested together to see how uh powerful reac to have to that reaction. So there from what I understand now, there are multiple, multiple components of every certainly every uh power leader in the country. Um uh and at this point, unless you were sensitive, unless you're sensitive to that um and and aware, and and uh you wouldn't know. I mean that it's so real. It's been able to be programmed, uh, memories downloaded and placed within these flux that they they are, and you wouldn't know. I think it has a lot of a connection to um what happened with with me, um, I think there's a this is what it comes to really which makes the most sense to me. Um this isn't trying to abstain from any responsibility, but um I think that uh when I had to do certain things, there was a high possibility that they all that would replace with the club. Uh so the person that you're with uh would have no clue. What people need to work with will have no clue because if maybe it's 24 hours, 48 hours, maybe they think you were sick, maybe they look to you or something, but they wouldn't have any clue that you might be there, or they wouldn't they would suspect. And I think that does happen.

SPEAKER_00 59:14

Wow, yeah, that's that's very interesting, and that that's just a whole new world for people to consider that that there's clone beings walking around and that these beings can be you know implanted with memories, and and um I I I I know Michael Prince mentioned that uh it's having a lot of clones of yourself is not something you necessarily want because um you're always you're always connected with the however many clones there are, there always there's always like a heart or a spirit connection with the other phones.

SPEAKER_03 59:45

So it's like shadowing yourself up into many pieces. And when when it's when it when one of you gets hurt, tortured, or damaged in a way, uh there is because there's such a deep connection to the source, the original self, that stuff will also feel it. So uh it also doesn't allow the consciousness because I mean the consciousness isn't split up between the problems, but um it is uh it is certainly that uh if the point of you gets hurt, you will clear the effects of it. So you're not able to be in yourself as much as you want. I felt a lot of the time that it's very hard for me to censor myself, to fully pull myself to act into myself, and I think that's connected to what we're talking about.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:28

Sure. Um what about uh transhumanism? Kind of jumping topics a little bit now. Um you know that there's a lot of people out there in the media promoting it, saying it's gonna enhance humanity and um, you know, selling it basically. Um I'm highly skeptical of it. I I don't think that it's good for the human body to insert you know metal devices or implants or parts into it. I think it's ultimately gonna lead to ill health and disease and death. Um, you know. Yeah, do you want to comment on this whole push towards transhumanism?

SPEAKER_03 1:01:04

That's connect to the uh the the war that's been going on uh between the scientists and the priests. And I think that the more uh the more you separate from self and the more you separate away from like divine self or heart self, um uh the the the more easily controlled you are. So if you um if you few make a fusion of a machine and nav together, then you take away you're you're pushing yourself further away from part. So so it separates from that. And I think that is the that's the the reason for um it's almost like humanity in its present sense has outgrown its useful and it was useful. It's not it's not doing what it's supposed to do, it's not they're not happy with how it is, so they want to uh use uh as much technology uh in in human beings as possible so that so that they can more easily be controlled. I think a lot of people don't realize they're they're chipped and I think when there was mass vaccinations drawn, there was there's nanotechnology that's in the individual or vaccination steps then added to people um so that they can uh be tracked that way. And I think even it's like a step-on-stone thing, and we even with cell phone, uh, when everybody then carries cell phone and everybody has GPS and everybody is tracked that way. That was the beginning of it. And uh I I even heard that um that we're we're I know that they have the technology to do this already, but they're trying to sell the concept of having uh Google or have you downloaded any nanotech chip into your head so that you can pull that up at any time to get information. Well, then you know you want to think about who's giving the information, and uh so then you become reliant on something else and you don't think for yourself, and it separates eventually what will happen is the essence of the person. So the conscious, the original consciousness, the original thing that came here in the avenue for the body in the first place, will just step out and it won't be there anymore. So you'll have drones, you'll just have drones walking around. Like with the bees, you have a queen bee, um she's essentially sits there and uh you know uh collects, and the other bees fly around and bring back to the queen bee because they are supposed to do it. They don't know why they're doing it, but they're doing it, because that's that's their job. And uh that's what they're trying to do, is create a hive mind. One single hive where everybody is connected to everybody else. There is an elite hierarchy and that's controlled from the top. And I think that when you look around you now, a large percentage of people that are around are actually empty vessels and they're not thinking for themselves at all. And um there's a lot of people that don't want to and giving their power away, giving their power away to the to the Queen Bee, and are happier that way, and happier not to think of themselves. Um slowly, I think I see that fully given their power away, and that it's easy at that point. Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:21

Uh yeah, I completely agree with you. Um I I I observe that as well, and and I think you you're spot on about your observations. I think uh humanity is slowly kind of being um computerized and and turned to drones, and um it's it's a real danger. And I think what's tied in with this is is also emotion, because um, you know, clearly the reptilian um mindset that's running running the elite wants um you know, wants people to follow orders in a hierarchical fashion and not think for themselves, and also not to show too much emotion because that can get in the way of like following orders and carrying about your duty and all of that. Um and and so you know, when you talk about how uh we get if we get too too far away from our true self, our heart self, um uh I think you're right because it's it's really about returning to the heart and and feeling more and and and balancing the left and right brains and balancing thinking with emotion um and not becoming you know just just too emotionless.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:22

Yeah, I mean and they've seen the the energy points on the body, the chakra energy points from the from the base to the crown, and uh the the easiest one, or the one that they control easiest is the base, or the root chakra, and they do they do that through uh they've inverted everything. They've slipped everything on its head. So they've uh turned every week, it seems like every single system that we have in uh the in the world now does the opposite of what it says it's gonna do.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:56

Uh yeah, that that's a really good point. And I don't know if you're aware of that. That really um great quote from Michael Elner, where he said, just look at us, everything's upside down, everything's backwards, religions destroy spirituality, uh, lawyers destroy justice, the mainstream media destroys truth. Um, you know, I'm paraphrasing a bit, but uh, you know, doctors destroy health, etc.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:17

And that's like that's the basis of uh of Satanism too. It's inversion groups. They represent everything. I think a lot of in the when there was the uh uh when they do the beginning of MK Ultra, well, they they they switch around the pleasure and pain sensors. So they they take this they I I remember going around in my head over and over and over again to feel that's very good. And they would say to me, uh, just remember pleasure is pain, pain is pleasure. And so I've gone through the vast majority of my life doing things that would be self-destructive because I thought that would be beneficial to me. That's another inversion, everything is inverted within the satanic doctrine, and that sameness becomes from the reptilian brain, and it denies anything to do with uh emotion or compassion or empathy through others, and empowers anything to do with control or hierarchy or um intellect. It's all about that, which is the male, which is the male side, and the female is repressed. Female is created force, and what they've done is that the all the female points on the planet have been repressed with um different spin structures or different uh energy grid points, they they they repressed the female energy because the female energy is a threat to the way the system stands right now. Um so and they've empowered the male, and that's why you have all the physics, the ovulasis everywhere, which is empowering male energy, negative male energy is war, conflict, continuous war, continuous war, breaks, make continuous war. And I think that uh this has been promulgated and pushed into uh a lot of the ideology which is being forced up now, the destruction and submersion of female, the empowerment of male energy. And that's why uh the the forthright concepts don't have females in any positions of power at all. They're only the female is only seen as a uh somebody to appropriate uh it's either sexually in terms of um to male vagus. Because if you have a female having any sex and anything, then it will uh take away from the raw male energy which is um without compassion. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_00 1:08:46

That makes sense, yep, yep, and that's what we're seeing in the world, um, an overly dominated, um, kind of ruthlessly calculated and cold world um with with a real lack of empathy. Um, is is is there anything you would agree with um as far as the aims of the new world order? Or do you think like everything about it is is kind of backwards and satanic and it needs to be overthrown?

SPEAKER_03 1:09:15

Um in terms of the way that it's put now, the way that it's put out, I mean I see I'm divided on it in terms of myself and what I feel. Um there's a part of me that feels that um people have so much thrown, they've they've they've thrown away their power so much that there has to be a change or there has to be something that's gonna shift. And that a lot of the people on this planet now um uh are willing to sell themselves out for themselves, they're willing to do anything to further themselves. So um there has to be some form of change. And a lot of people are gonna cease to be over the next five, ten, fifteen years. The vast majority of us, uh the higher percentage of people are not able to cease to be anymore. They'll just not be here because they will be up to function. The vibr as the vibration raises, they won't be able to function. Is there anything that I agree with? Um in its current state now, I think that the only way to move forward is to shift out of this this way. Give me some example, I'll tell you if I I agree with it or not.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:25

Well, well, maybe just you know, the whole eugenics thing and and the um the survival of the fittest um and overpopulation, and so we've we've got to reduce population like that that whole aspect of it.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:38

I mean, um, do you think it's a myth that there's overpopulation, or do you think you know um something does need to be done the so the I think the overpopulation thing is uh pushed forward by the uh the fourth flag, and um they have always been because they're that the beings that are the aldeberon beings that are right, have always felt they need more space, they need more space, they're obsessed with having more space. I don't think the figures that are given out about the population of this planet are accurate. I don't I think there's a lot less than 7 billion people on the planet. Um there certainly isn't enough um to be able to uh to be given to everybody. Um but so I mean eugenics, no, I don't agree with eugenics. No, I don't agree with the way that they're going about it. No, don't I I don't think that it should be done that way. I think that um there is an argument that people we've gone so far down the road now of uh not understanding what's going on that uh even if you told people the truth now they wouldn't be able to accept it, no matter how it was put to them. So I I don't know how, I I don't know what the other way would be. Because I was in doc I was indoctrinated with these principles, with these specific principles, and it was only as I've got more recently now that uh that I don't agree with that. I don't agree with that logic being both. I don't have a solution for how to change it, but I don't think it should be going at all.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:22

Right. Um maybe we could um jump topics now and talk a little bit about uh the IVIS project, because I know we haven't really talked about that much, and um I I know you've been out of reconnect with some of the the kids that were part of that. Did you want to talk a little bit about that?

SPEAKER_03 1:12:40

Okay. Um now the the details that I have, um, I've done bits and pieces. So I mean this ties in with microprints, and I'll I don't want to talk too much about microprint. So there's connections to Can I think there's connections to Canada and uh it originates um out of uh Winnipeg, Nelson in Canada, and uh what I understand is uh it began in 1972 and ran from 1972 up until the beginning of 1980, and I think that what they would it's an extension of the Nazi Uberman object, so trying to create uh uh a perfect race which is connected to um like the inner earth beings, and so what they were trying to do is they read certain children using mothers as carings, and they took the children, and then they were when they were born, grew up the early years of their lava in uh the uh military races, and they were fed from uh without having connections to a mother, and uh were fed intravenously from machines. So there was connections that they were trying to create when when they when they when they make these things, when they make these children, they they are made quote unquote testimony. So they pull in DNA from all the highest sources they can understand from what they understand is the the most powerful, they put them together and then almost becomes a trap for a for a higher direction of the soul. And that soul will see that lifetime call itself into that being, and then from there they then create, they're trying to create uh the perfect soldier or the perfect uh the Ibis Project was created during the Ibis connects in Egypt, and uh Plot comes from Atlantis with the uh high priest king in Atlantis for like 50,000 years. So um this uh my connections go back to that because my parents, my my mother was there, both of my parents were there in uh beginning of 1976. I wasn't born until December 1976. And but I don't you know I don't have any documentation that says that I was uh definitely part of that. All I know is the parallel is there. And now my memories, my early memories being connected to uh the UK, London, and Sussex. So um, that's really my question.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:23

Okay, and you know, how many other people have you been able to connect with in your situation that were part of some of these mind control programs um and and that are deprogramming now? And and can can you talk a little bit about what similarities you've been through and whether you've been able to help each other and and things like that?

SPEAKER_03 1:15:40

Yeah, um so the Project Monarch, which is the one I talked about earlier on, and another thing about Monarch quadrifiles is that they always tend to flock together, they always find separate. This is then specifically that the body file you could separate them on, they will always kind of find, they always flock up and find each other again. And that's kind of the same with this program. Um uh even though a lot of us who've been through those things as children, um, when we become adults, we uh magnetically and energetically draw back to us looking for that we are involved with as children. So um uh it's it's just uh it's a it's an energetic attraction because of the the intensity of what goes on with so I found I think that I've been dealing with them my whole life. I think I've been running into other people who've been connected to that my whole life. I just didn't know and they didn't know that we were um because it's a very sensitive uh topic in terms of uh because of the extreme nature of splitting the personality, um, it's it's very touching to have to talk about with other people and you have to be careful. But I found uh numerous people, certainly uh at least 10 who have uh uh gone through similar things and uh who are now openly talking about it. I think there is such a stigma attached to it for people thinking that you're crazy where you've talked about it because it is so uh because it is uh high because of it because of the nature of what it is, you're not it's not supposed to exist in conventional science, conventional media says it doesn't exist, that people are so braced upon that. But um I yeah, I have especially known the more that you speak about it, or the more that I've spoken about it, just putting the information out there energetically draws to bring through some of their experiences. And to speak to other people who've been through that is incredibly dramatic. And I think that is the what's fold the view that's holding all of this together is the silence attached to it. And I think um there is a symbol, this this this symbol I remember from being killed, and uh it's very simple. I've seen it a lot of times growing up, and in uh media since I've been an adult, that was always to keep quiet, to shut up, to don't say anything about it. And um the more people don't speak about it, the more that it's gonna be had together. So um, yes, I think it it's very intense, really like I said, John, because of the nature of what it is and what's attached to what people have gone through. And you know, something like 80% of people who have gone through the more than that, 80 to 90% of people who have gone through these projects have died. Have not I've died or ended up in um institutions that have not been able to handle it. So um and like I said, there there's uh there's a system set up in the head of when in the mind when you get stuck getting too close to certain things that you're not supposed to be forced to, then there are kind of gatekeepers around the different also different personalities, and the gatekeeper will then won't allow you to go any further, or will then be pull through your head so you will be stuck and not be able to speak about it, or we self-destruct programming that will then make you become you know essentially self-destruct in one way or another. Uh, I think, and then you know, when you go and search for a professional, I guess there aren't that many, but there are some, it's always it's always a frightening thing because uh the professionals are often set up there to also uh handle and place you back into that position again.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:39

So so you mean um that the the the very same people, the handlers that uh conducting this mind control put up burgers, regression therapists, or psychologists to um you to to kind of trap you basically. So you go to these people and you trust them and and they're not they're not really helping you.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:56

Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. And with the the DSM as well, which is the uh it's like kind of like a big book.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:03

Yeah, the diagnostic and statistical manual, I think that's in edition five now, it's like the psychiatrist's Bible.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:09

Yeah, yeah, yeah. There are actually things, uh psychiatric disorders that are set up that were created and put in there so that when anybody starts to find out about those things, when anybody starts to realize that that that can be a diagnosis that needs to be given. This is what's happening to you, this is what's happening to you. And uh they start giving you out phone, giving pharmaceuticals out, which are horrendous to you sensitive people. You've got to remember all the people who are involved in these projects are extremely sensitive, highly uh gifted individuals. They pick these individuals for a specific reason and then uh put them on these medications, and uh can especially the SSRIs, the serotonin reactate units, um, will they start to create attachments to the psyche, like negative lower vibration attachments that hunt the physical being, and uh stuck can you become essentially once you're on it for over two, three months, you can become a remote control phase and easily control being. And uh the suicide rates that people will next SR is uh the charts. And the company uh Prozac is the one I'm thinking of now in my head, the company that created that was uh it's called Eli Lilly. Uh Eli Lilly uh is a is a uh direct connection to one of the Nazis first connection to the Nazis. And the majority of what's in the hill is fluoride anyway. So it it dumbs you down, makes you more uh accepting of what you're told to do, which is always very important, and uh then manipulates the mind that the pharmaceutical industry just set up and made to do that for money and to manipulate.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:01

Yeah, yeah, I completely agree with you. Um this might be a good time now. Now we don't have to go into this, it's it's uh it's up to you really. Um because I can edit this part out if you don't want to. But was there anything you wanted to say about the project Cabalot interview? Um I mean, was it's do you feel that represented your views fairly? Or I mean, is there anything you have to say on that, or should we just move on to another topic?

SPEAKER_03 1:22:24

Yeah, um uh there has been so many different things, certainly over the last 10, 15 years, that I have come to understand about myself. And um so when the when the uh see I feel so when I when I sort of when I go to certain topics to talk about certain topics, I feel there are blocks there, and certain times I can and certain times I can't talk about that, and I don't fully understand why that is. Um but I am not, I don't want to, I'm not uh promoter of the of these ideologies. I'm not promoting I'm not trying to promote forthright ideologies. That's not where I stand. And I I want to make that clear because you know that that's I think that uh there was a point, I think in two in 2010, 2011, where I kind of walked in the road can that uh I was thinking differently about about how that is, and um uh yeah, so so I'm imposing on a lot of levels to the kind of like the hard fist, the le iron fist, uh of of uh how that is. Yeah, the I mean the I I'm aware, see I'm that the with the with the anarchy connections that I have, okay. Uh so so a lot of these the the th the 13 bloodline structure of the learning that are controlling the planet, there are there are 13 at the top of the aisle. Out of these 13 bloodlines, not everybody connected to it is following the same agenda. They would like it that way, but in general they're not. And a lot of these bloodlings go back to the ananarchy, and then you know, this people what people aren't realizing there's there's a faction above the anunarchy, which is the Orion group, and the Orion connection is huge, doesn't really come up very much. Uh, but I think the the the this uh the Orion group, alpha dra alpha dracons, which is uh and now the reptilian connection are actually in control of the Anna. They're the ones who are handed over for a short period of time power to this group, and they are now looking to cut this. There's any fighting going on between these two specific groups. Um there's a rebellion faction also connected to the Enough, which is trying to, which doesn't agree with what's going on, and is trying to break free from this prison system to set up that's gone on. There's almost like what they created was a uh thought prisons, like energetic vibrational prisons which surround the planet, and they vibrate at different speeds. Almost like different religions are vibrating at different speeds and they're uh buzzing around the planet. And they are what they're doing is getting people's consciousness to connect with these different thought prisons, and they don't really care which one you connect with. It doesn't make any difference because that's not the point. The point is that you connect to it and that you hold tightly onto that because then it shuts down everything else, it shuts down all your other abilities. Once you hold on to any ideology or any concept that tightly, then you you shut down the energy strip on anywhere else. So uh this rebellion faction that's going on are now trying to affect the energy grid of the planet, just dismantling these thought prisons that are that are around this planet so as to allow people to disconnect and awaken. Because it's almost like this planet is the planet of amnesia. Everybody is walking around and they have no clue why or what's going on here. That's I think why atheism is pushed very hard as well, because if you force the atheistic scientific view of it, everything, then um this is all there is, this is all you are, you're born, you die, that's it. And so and if that was if that's forceful belief as well, it's almost like another religion, another thought prison, that's there, you can never conceive uh of anything greater, and it locks you into the physical body. Um, and that's a it's it's kind of like a modern day modern day opposition for spirituality. And now atheism's always been around, but it seems to be being pushed very hard right now, and that um it's it it it's it's a very powerful tool.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:49

Yeah, I agree with you, yeah. Um and I think there's two sides to that. You know, there's a lot of false dichotomies we see. Um there's atheism on the one hand, and then and then you're presented with you know organized dogmatic religion on the other hand, and it's it's a real false choice because spirituality is not in there. It's it's either like hardcore science deny that consciousness exists, or it's um complete abandonment of critical thinking and and buying into dogma and trusting only faith religion, and and that's the only choice we're given.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:20

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I absolutely it's like you pick one or the other. And all but in a way, I mean their their their appearances that would be different, but in a way, they're the they're the same thing in that you are giving your power away to to the one thing and uh uh letting go of anything else. And people hold on to it. So it's almost like that they they would die for it. They would die for this belief system that uh that that works perfectly in terms of election, you know?

SPEAKER_00 1:27:56

For sure. Yep. Okay. Uh Um I I guess we haven't really touched on yet. Um you know, if you could talk a little bit about the the two factions that that are running in the world order. Um, I I I know that there's there's a Rockefeller Nazi Forthright faction and then a more of a Rothschild Zionist East Coast faction, um, and and then both of those factions are alive with different reptilian races, is that correct?

SPEAKER_03 1:28:25

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um so what's happening is that to uh to centralize everything, what they're trying to do is there it doesn't make any sense for them to be opposing anymore. Although to maintain 3D, you have to have black and white, and you have to have opposing checkable uh system set up here. But to control everything, they don't want, they they understand there's a time, there's a window of opportunity right now as a shift goes over. So they need to shift the way that they're thinking if they want to maintain control. Um so they are merging together and creating a new uh a new breed or a new species, a new, a new bloodline, actually, a new bloodline, which is kind of uh rule uh for the for the new world order. And they they've done that. Uh the thing is the last child Zionists are also deeply connected with the fourth right as well. So uh well they have been certainly over the last 15 years. I think it's been a slow thing, 50, 60, 70 years, they've slowly been integrated, and now they're um because they for the for the last thousands of years, they would never integrate at all. At all, and because they have all the documents, they have complete documentation of everybody, everybody on the panel, and so they know exactly everybody's blood type bloodstream, everybody, so they want to brief, and in the last 50 years they have been, and so they created a new stream because if they continue the war, um they realize they're not gonna get out of sea control. So it in conjunct in conjunction with the new order, they have to come together and uh not war with each other anymore.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:10

And you would you consider any of the information that you have? Um do you think you've got any of it from kind of inside sources, or has a lot of it just been um accessing your own memories and researching on the internet or talking to other people who are also my control victims?

SPEAKER_03 1:30:31

Um I feel that um a lot of the information is being compartmentalized with inside. Um so uh I have connections with uh because of the position that I have, I I have the ability to uncover the information that's already in it's all the information is already there. So I haven't I haven't had I've known where to be and who to speak to at exactly the right time. I mean it's triggered me to uncover the information that's sort of we decided. So the information is there already. That makes sense, Joel. It's already there, it's just been covered up with uh with amnesia. So so um uh yeah, so the uh the the best way you can say it is like there's been people and places that I've gone to and had maybe a conversation that had nothing to do with anything to do with this, and then that conversation, which could have been about the weather, that would then trigger me to uncover and understand things that I placed inside myself to remember at certain times.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:40

Wow, that's that's fascinating.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:42

Um it's almost like there was an almost like I implanted myself a long time ago, and the influence that the Atlantic influence that I used almost looked like Christmas tree lights, and uh they're they're they run through the body like that uh on either side, and I almost feel like I implanted myself to remember things at certain times, and this period we're having right now. So uh this is another jump, an eon shift period right now. So as I as at on certain times at certain dates, I will remember the things that I need to remember to continue to be able to like do. So I implanted myself.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:22

Wow, wow. So there's there's like a real kind of divine synchronicity to this.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:27

Yeah, I'm not talking about 3D influence today, I'm talking about multi-dimensional.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:31

Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:32

So that yeah, so talking about multi-dimensional uh implants that were placed there. If uh if the physical body changes at rather than depth, um but we can go into that at another point. I think that uh there is this life extension technology that was hidden in a use experience. But um certainly uh maybe the 4D, 5D, 6D energetic body haven't really changed. Just the external skeleton, the external flesh body changes. So if you implant yourself at a 5D level, when you shift into another body, uh those implants will still be there. So you can remember on a high innovational level what's going on. So if you have the technology, you can implant yourself on a high frequency level that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:19

Right, yeah, I understand. And before when you were talking about gatekeepers, um were you meaning literally other people, or were you meaning different altars within yourself that would um try to prevent yourself from from discovering certain things?

SPEAKER_03 1:33:34

They set it up like a video game. Um I they're not actual people, but they're almost like sprites, video game uh symbols of a gatekeeper that's standing there, that uh then it's like the the mind they the mind is completely like a computer system, set up like a computer system. So when you access certain information, you run out on your own pathway to quite big, but I'm like, this this part is lit up, this part is lit up. And I would get to a certain level, and there is a symbolic gatekeeper. Although in my mind's eye, I see it. I see it as that. It stands there and like a stereotypical looking gatekeeper, I think. Uh then it's it stops. So it stops me from going any further. And unless you have the uh unless you have the trigger words or the codes to go through, you can't get through to get the information that's on the other side. So I think in all of the MPL projects, the mind has been set up like a computer system. Um implementation is then held there on uh on a on an almost like a digital level. And uh there are multiple handles, there will always be multiple people. Maybe not even these people will be on a conscious level knowing what they're doing, but maybe they've been programmed as well. And uh they would maybe uh can be so you get onto a bus or a train, you go on a subway, and you sit next to somebody. That version is then have been placed there to trigger you to pull out different parts, to go past the getting heaps to pull out a certain part, to make you go do something that you're always willing to have done. And that is exactly how it's worked.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:20

Right, but that could be used for good or bad. I mean, someone could be put there to trigger you to do something that's you know evil or at least you know harming others, but someone could also be put there to help you uh do something helpful, recover a part of yourself, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:35:35

Um I I think that anytime you're doing something under the uh control of somebody else, I don't know how it could be considered you're doing something good, though. Um maybe if there is somebody else there who says something to to maybe help you on uh to to give you some, yeah. I mean, what and when you say do something good, what what do you mean?

SPEAKER_00 1:36:00

Well, I I guess see that there's two levels to this. Um that that there's the actual manipulation and control where where your brain is being um set up like a computer game, as you're saying, and then and then um handlers put specific people in your life or flash used symbols or triggers or um or soundways to to do something. But then there's the other level you were talking about where you feel like you implanted yourself um so that you would you would help recover, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:36:32

Yes. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so if there were based there to then help you deprogram to help rather than actually triggering you to go do something, you may yes, I completely agree. For example, uh this interview, this conversation that you're having, there could be something layered underneath uh the words that you're saying that allows me, helps me to uh deprogram or realize things that I haven't otherwise realized.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:56

Right, right.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:57

And I think that I've become more aware, especially with the understanding of sound that I have now, that uh in any conversation there there's the communication between two people is on multiple levels. So in the sentence that I just said to you, I could be communicating three or four or five different things to you, depending on the inflections and the sounds that are like what. So uh my conscious mind is telling me the things that I'm telling me now. Yeah. Uh the other levels of my mind are also communicating a number of different things to you. And I think that anybody who's watching this uh will be magnetic and magnetically energetically drawn to it, to listen to it, and it will communicate to people on numerous different levels.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:41

Yes. Yeah. Um what what about this label of super soldier? I mean, um, to you, what is a super soldier? And do you feel that's that's like an accurate label to apply to yourself? And I mean, do you think it's it's um you know it's even an accurate label to talk about other other mind control victims with?

SPEAKER_03 1:38:00

Right. I think that that's uh I thought it's it's uh it's uh not a cool term really. I think it's a kind of grandiose grandiose term that's used. But um that that's the I mean I was I'm connected to Project Mamkin, which comes out of uh the UK, which is connected to Pismo, which is near Renning. Uh and what they that's an extension of the uh the Lance Eagle Man project, and what they were trying to do was create um a mind controlled soldier to be able to do us, to be able to do uh any number of things. Um the words, the women, the words for uh I'm not keen on that word, particularly or that that phrase, but um it's uh uh it deeply connects to what's gone on. I mean, when I maybe in part two or whatever, I'll go I'll go into that and I'll explain exactly how that how that works. I don't really like the term, I don't really like the term anything super really, because it then kind of uh has an attachment to it, which is um uh greater than, you know, I think that the that with the with the abilities connected with these specific black lines. I know that um the consciousness, the consciousness that I am, the person that I am, enters the physical body that I have now, and I think that they knew that I was coming down here to be a part of this uh matrix system that we're in right now before I was coming here. And so I was targeted immediately. I was targeted at the I think I've said this before when I was born. I have something called the Holofon Event, which is where uh uh immediately after I was in line with them, the century of my body went two separate colors. Uh half can turn purple and half can turn yellow, and that lasted for lasted for like two or three minutes. And they uh immediately took me away from my mother when I was born. I took photographs, but they took me away from my mother, and uh I believe that something that was they they started with uh trauma-based mind control immediately as soon as after I was born. Um I I don't know this, but I have I have a both knock on my right shoulder, which has always been uh extremely extremely sensitive. And I have flash memories connected with that. I think there was some attachment or something was done to me immediately after I thought I think that I think that there was uh electro shock treatment done immediately after what my my uh minor trash stream away. And I think for me that they had feel that way. And this was continued on through a line rather than but I think my mom later remembers remembers me uh her telling that them not to take me away, then drugging her, and then taking me away from her immediately that something happened. Because when I tell you it, and I say this out loud, something speaking to my subconscious mind and reaffirming that something didn't happen. Even though I obviously I was baby, I don't remember it, something's definitely happened immediately. This was the split that I had down the center of me, symbolically and spiritually, it's connected to completely opposing uh my mother and father, uh two completely different vibrational beings, almost opposing vibrational beings. So I uh and I thought about earlier having two like reptilian and mammalian both contained in one body. Well, I have an extreme version of that where I have two extremely opposing things uh going on in the body at one time, connected to uh the higher level uh and an optimal world, and also which is quote unquote negative, and then uh a much higher vibrational frequency as well, which of course I could pain in the body. And so that there is definitely uh a duality, a dual, dual aspect to me going on, and there always has been. And I think that they uh to have deep connections to the higher vibration in front of me is connected to series, series, and um that being the beings that are there, it should be kind of a blue, blue race, the blue tends to the blue race of beings on what comes on. And uh they have so I like I said that the the black and white side of it, they've been able to play on it. I think they needed to fracture my IB throughout the hour of the corn so that I would be able to play me on both sides almost like a double race, almost like a spy that way, so that I would be able to get into certain places or do certain things, using one side over my consciousness, and then using the shadow self, then integrating that information into that and flipping from that, back, back and forth that way. And I almost feel like I'm giving away stuff by telling you that, but I don't I don't think I have anything to hide any of that. Um it's definitely I definitely didn't use for uh covert stuff in terms of that um works out, works very well because uh if you have an extreme life of that that's going on, uh then you can play into play into someone's situation, a company, or anything with the uh one side, and then collect gather information. And if we flip the other side, you can gather information so you literally are living still alive. And I think it's the double Asian part of a huge factor in my life. And that's why it was so shocking when I turned 31. And 31 actually is a was a profound number to this group, because it's all it's a reversal of 13, but uh uh it's a very important number of them. And at that point, when I realized that uh that was going on, they expected this shock of it to be that much that I wouldn't be able to function in. That I wouldn't be able to function in uh in regular life, regular normal life anymore when I realized the things that I've been connected to. Um and almost didn't, almost wasn't able to almost wasn't able to handle it. But there have been incredible people who have showed up in my life at very, very important times when almost like I felt like nothing else, I didn't know what else to do, they would show up and explain to me that it was alright, that I would be okay, and that I would be up and walk through the other side of the world. So there's almost like a it almost feels it almost feels a little bit scripted. It almost feels like the the life that I've had now has been scripted, and that people have been like there I certainly I sometimes I feel like choice, even down to the decisions of choice, although almost is an illusion as well. It's like the illusion, the illusion of having choice. But um as soon as I step back into that into my heart, and because it's been as a protective, as a protective mechanism, because I'm hypersensitive, hypersensitive to stuff being awake on. People are saying about sound there, but I'm I'm uh extremely empathetic to people. So if I was uh out, I'm out in a mall, a restaurant, I begin to pick up uh energies and feelings I don't want to, but I'll pick them up and they'll attach to me and I'll start feeling away that somebody else's done. So I learned pretty early on that it would say it was safe for me for me to function in the 3D world like this if I stepped in, stayed in my head and stepped out of energy to do with heart and do with emotions. And that works out very well for the anarchy side of myself, which is completely out of the completely runs on intellect. And it was it felt a safer place to be, but that part of me can be killed up, and that part of me is easy to track, easy to find, and easy to shut down. So in the transition period around 31, when you had to accept that these things are gone, uh without being too free shared, then you had literally had to accept that if I didn't sit in my heart to do with this stuff, if I didn't literally just sit and filter it all through my heart, then I wouldn't be able to survive. And I think as slowly I'm uncovering things, and then different it's funny on certain dates, the information comes to me, flows to me at different speeds. So I was born on the winter, I was born on winter solstice uh December 22nd, 76. And that was that's a very powerful my sister was born on summer solstice. Those two which are high-level ritual dates, and I think that I've been involved in ritual combos on the on certainly on the winter solstice, but uh on uh certain dates of the year, more information flows readily to me. And I somehow I understand you know what point to be at or where to be standing or who to be around on certain dates at certain times, so the information flows back. Did I go and kind of go up change it there?

SPEAKER_00 1:47:20

Well, that that was wonderful. I I really appreciate all that information. Um yeah, it just it that a lot of that really makes sense. Um, it opens up more questions for me. Um uh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:34

So it's for me it's safe for me because of the sensitivity that I have that I stay in my head, because then I realize up until I turn through if I continue to do that, I wouldn't be able to function. You cannot with with the with the type of trauma that's gone on and the type of things that I remember that had happened, uh especially the uh like the sexual and ritual stuff that went on. And I'm not pointing fingers at anybody, and I'm not blaming, and I'm not trying to blame anybody around, I I just love that stuff. And my my parents were amazing on so many levels that I put that they could do. Uh but for me to reintegrate that part of myself into me, I had to do it too hard because if I use any sort of intellect to try and rationalize it, it's kind of like your mind pressures.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:24

Exactly. The the heart is really the way way back to integration for the whole planet, for everyone. It's that that's exactly right. And I mean that that touches on what we were saying before, the the mammalian part and sort of the reptilian part, you know, the integrating the female part, um, empathy and connection. It's um, you know, the new world order would not not be possible if more people were more fully in their hearts because people wouldn't carry out orders or do jobs just for money, knowing that it would harm other beings. And they, you know, it it just it just wouldn't be possible if we were more in our hearts.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:56

Yeah, see the thing is that so the uh the so me using the Indian sharpener points and sharpen points, they seem to be able to control all of them except the hearts. They don't seem to be able to have control over that, and they don't seem to understand it because they don't they're not resonating at that frequency because it's such a much faster frequency.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:17

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:18

Yeah, they can control the other ones very, very, very easily. Yeah, uh I have issues like with my throat energy and my base, like that's the place they go. Like alcohol activities or bass structure. Immediately as soon as you have alcohol into the body, it does that. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, or I'm just saying that's what that that's why that's the legal drug. Yeah. Because it really activates that.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:42

And so that it's easy for them to enter at that point and then control up through that way. But they don't have control over the heart. And that is the main thing that they want to have control over. They want to stick in it off. They want to they want to cut it in heart. Once they raise the heart, Then it's game over. Right. That's the end game on it. Right. And so tr to transhumanism is the final their final push to completely break the heart energy so the quantity was separate out and they have joints everywhere.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:16

Right. Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:18

And it seems to me that's what's going on.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:21

And the majority of people though, unfortunately, there aren't that many people who are running through hard energy on the planet. There's not that many.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:30

Right. Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:31

I think something like 10% less than 10%.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:36

Yeah. Um what I wanted to ask you now was, you know, you you've been through some, I'm sure, horrendous abuse and and and torture and rituals. I mean, do you do you feel like you've been able to forgive um the people who did this to you on some level? I mean, I mean, I uh that that would be asking a lot of of any person to be able to do that. But I mean, do you do you feel like that's one of the keys here for your recovery?

SPEAKER_03 1:51:02

I think that um any and any recovery for anything like that, then forgive it forgiveness would be a key to it. Uh do you think otherwise you could you couldn't tell us? I don't know. Um I not to to be honest, I don't think that I I I don't think that I do. I don't think that I do. I think that's probably a work in progress to be able to do that. Um I definitely think that um there's a deep sense of uh betrayal that I hold on to. Which says that, especially with the child aspect of myself, is that that's the innocence, and that was the attempt at the beginning is to break the innocence. Um so I still feel very incredibly obviously resentful to do with that. But um I going back to what we were saying before, it's not denying the shadow self, it's not denying that if you deny the the core part of the self, which is which is you know, does understand hierarchy, that does understand survival, those things go the dark side of self isn't to be denied. I think it's to be integrated into the other side of the self and to go to one thing. And I think that most people, and I think that's how religions and this stuff stays together, in the denial aspect, when you deny that you could ever possibly do any of those things, but either way, I would never do that. And the finger pointing and look at this person, look what they do, and look what I do, and look how much better I am, I would never do that. Um you would do that because that is you as well. So if you're looking at everybody else as a reflection of self, so you're walking at sexuality, it's just a shattered piece into billions of pieces that are here, but it's actually one thing, then we're just experiencing everything on a level. We're expressing every possible physical experience.

SPEAKER_00 1:53:13

Yeah, that's that's really well said. That that's that's how I see it as well.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:16

Um yeah, it's like a shanned piece of glass that worked into millions and millions of pieces, but as part of the same whole, just experiencing every possible 3D version of itself as a as an experience. So there you can on that level we couldn't never judge anybody for anything. And that we could because we're doing it to ourselves. But there isn't then but also in Jordan, there is a manipulation, we're not being allowed to uh kind of grow as we should do. We're not being manipulated as a species, as a as a as a single species, we're being manipulated to go a certain way according to what it was like I I think that it was an experiment in the first place. How how consciousness we've experienced 3D, how we get through understanding experience 3D, and how it's kind of been manipulated off, and the experiment has failed and it hasn't worked, and now that there's a shift that's happening.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:13

Yeah, I agree. Yeah, that I think that's really well said. And um, you know, I I I just want to remind all the viewers and listeners about you know how brave you are in doing this, because it takes a lot of guts to come out and speak about this publicly and get your story out there. Not I mean, you know, on so many levels. First of all, it's just it's a very personal, raw story for you that that you're sharing, and and also then there could be repercussions because you're talking about things that are highly classified and secret. And um, you know, I just really want to salute your bravery uh for for for doing all this.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:48

I appreciate it, Asgio. And like if we uh in the view of this and we do have part two of this, then perhaps like one what I'll do is I'll go into my direct involvement and things that I know specifically and a bit involved in tie it in that way.

SPEAKER_00 1:55:04

Sure. And uh, you know, coming coming back to the question of forgiveness, I mean, I think you're right that that to fully forgive anyone or any group of people, there's probably many layers to it that that takes many years. Um but I mean, do you ever do you ever still feel really angry that you're being controlled and you're still being used and manipulated? Do you ever feel like, you know, I wish I could find out who's doing this and I wish I could trace these these sound signals back to their source and like get these people?

SPEAKER_03 1:55:33

Um because I feel because I feel like uh everybody now to an extent is being manipulated, I don't, I don't, I'm not running around worrying uh that I'm being uh I'm not that's not my primary concern because I'm trying to I'm trying to heal from with inside of myself. I'm trying to fix that from inside of myself. And uh by doing that, every step I take further into in terms of healing myself, it seems like the outside I get more answer than the outside. So when I go through a when I get through a breakthrough and understand uh why a certain thing happened uh and accept it, then the external controls tend to loosen and they have more or less control than their example. So while grabbing from the outside and trying to understand it and shake it and try and trace it that way, if I fix what's happened to me on an internal level, uh the outside gets gets healed and changed that way.

SPEAKER_00 1:56:37

Yeah, I understand what you mean. So I mean the the more you know integration you do of the dark side and and and the more recovery you do, um, the less susceptible you're gonna be to all of this anyway. And and and and you know, and that's ultimately what you can control, your own mind, your own self, rather than trying to hunt down some personal agency or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:56

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It doesn't work that well. It doesn't work, it doesn't work. They they have they have control of the game too perfectly on an external level. They know exactly how it works and what they're doing. So they haven't they have complete control of the masculine energy force, pretty much complete control of it. So so that's the conscious, that's the outside. And so that's day, daytime. So the night time, nighttime, dark energy, nighttime or subconscious, the unseen is the feminine energy. And I think the more that you get for me, uh for anyone who's been to read that stuff, the more that you have control and understanding over that. The the the easier it allows that's how that's how I fix the problem. That's how I'll stop it from happening.

SPEAKER_00 1:57:49

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very good. Um why don't we move on now to to um you know where you think humanity is headed? Because I mean, obviously, we're in the middle of a huge war, a huge battle, um, and it's it's a it's a battle of consciousness. And um, on the one hand, you you can see the increasing surveillance state. I mean, you can, you know, with Ed Ed Snowden um re you know, bringing all these leaks out about the NSA, I mean, uh, a lot of that wasn't new to people who are really up you know up to date on studying it, but he brought it onto a platform of general consciousness for the masses, and people are outraged at what the NSA is doing. And um, and then you know, transhumanism seems like it's it's it's being pushed forward all the time more and more. It's being glorified for people to get chipped or to get smartphones or this or that. And um uh, you know, so on the one hand, you can definitely see the new world order as being pushed through at a really rapid rate. On the other hand, you can see all this um consciousness um rising all around the planet, and people are standing up against GMOs, they're standing up against political corruption, um, they're spotting government deception a lot faster, um, you know, false flag attacks uh aren't working as well as they used to. So, you know, I see both sides of it, and I'm just wondering how you see the battle at the moment and what what you think the outcome will be and what you think humanity can do.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:12

I think there's two timelines splitting off, and there will be access to two different timelines. And I think that um, although there's multiple timelines now, I think there's going to be two definitive timelines. One who what one timeline that timeline level is to continue the consciousness and slavery that's gone on, and that will take it to another level where as soon as trans as soon as the the transhumanism is uh implemented on a bigger level, you're all in trouble. I mean that that then beings are in trouble of uh not being able to step outside of that for a long, long time. So if we already have it uh that we're in we're we're caught in life cycles and we keep reinfiniting over and over and over again, um, because we're caught in a trap. And um so uh and this right now we're in we're in a shift period. This what's happening right now has never happened before this changeover period. So I don't think anybody fully knows what's gonna happen. So if you get caught um uh where where uh technology is implemented into into the being, you can get trapped for for thousands and thousands of more years. Uh keep living into in 3D, keep being trapped into this level. And I think there is another timeline which is where uh it's a breakthrough. There's a complete shift, and everything about the way that things are done here uh will not be that way anymore. There'll be a new system important, a new new set of goals, or a new a completely new way of thinking about it. And I think that uh there's that that will be the vibration shift. I think that there from what I can see, there's a shift from 3D, 4D into 5D. And I think at five at the 5D level, fifth dimensional level on this planet, you cannot uh that prison mentality, that enforcing prison uh that has been here for so long, uh cannot exist because it's too dense of a vibration to exist there. So if you follow that time and go with it, I people throw the word sanctionary, and I'm not exactly sure. I don't really like that word too much, but um I do believe there is a consciousness here. And I do believe that if you uh if you go back to that point, then you can follow that way. And uh you don't you you will cease to be in the invisible prison that we've been living in now for certainly um uh the the way that it's been now is very the densest and most physical where it's been ever. There is an awakening period that's gone on, but it's never been quite this dense and physical for this plan. So like they'll be shifted around all of a sudden. It's gonna go it's gonna fall from the road in about two ways. Do you do you agree with me? Do you do you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 2:02:13

Yeah, I do. Yeah. Yeah. Um I I think that no one really knows what's gonna happen, and that there's definitely different timelines. Um and it it just seems like it's really in the balance right now, and we're at a really critical point.

SPEAKER_03 2:02:26

I think because everybody can't go one way because everybody's at different points of understanding and evolution within themselves. So it wouldn't make sense for everybody to all go, we're not gonna go all because we're on individual journeys. We can all go in groups, I think, one way or another. Uh, but I don't think that uh people who are still enforcing the 3D prison together aren't gonna uh raise their vibration and go out of that. So they will then have to continue on with uh the implementation of um holding somebody else at the moment at holding holding somebody else, controlling somebody else. So they will continue with that election.

SPEAKER_00 2:03:12

Right, right. Okay. Um is there anything you know about um what's happening on other planets in our solar system, such as on on the moon or Mars or on Saturn and bases there?

SPEAKER_03 2:03:28

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um the moon itself doesn't uh it's not it doesn't shift, it doesn't change, uh it's it's not turning as as usually moons do. So we we only ever get to see one side of it. So there they they are there's certainly it's certainly hollow too, but certainly hollow like the earth is hollow. And um there are certainly multiple places on there, and I think uh the the moon stands for the subconscious, the feminine and the subconscious, and its effects on this this earth are enormous. And it seems to me that Saturn itself has the hand in the control in factory of what's going on with Savannah. And the actual technicalities, I'm not exactly sure, but I do know that there are frequencies coming from it that are then being the moon is somehow working as an amplifier for the energy. So the ring around Saturn has something to do with the ring, something to do with the controller. The brotherhood of Saturn is connected to the Fourth Reich again, and the Fourth Reich have connections to Aldeberron, and I have connections to Aldebron too. And that that consciousness, those beings are using different planetary uh bodies to control the jewel, which is essentially Earth, because Earth is a stargate in of itself. So you can um if you have control of this planet, it very, very it allows you to do so and bring other things. So they're using other energy bodies into the small system to control this planet. Uh there's something to do with um number 13 again, and uh uh lifespan after lifespan on this planet is connected with the moon. So something about uh harvesting souls on the moon, and they they pull at the point of death, there's some point, there's some turning point, uh energy falls on a multidimensional level at the moon, where the consciousness is pulled back there through technology. Uh the mind is erased, memories erased, and then it's sent back again. It's not the normal system. The cycle is sent back again, back down to the air. So, and 99% of people are caught in a time loop, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. Now, volunteers have been incarnated into bones on this planet to try and raise the vibration, uh, and they get caught themselves, and they get caught and they get news and they forget why they came here for. And there's a lot of ascended masters who came down here and get caught in uh the illusion of a game. It's a game here and forgot what they did it for, and um that was a mess. Um, but uh there's a lot now who are coming together at this period of time and change over who were speaking out. Like it seems it almost seems ridiculous to speak out because it's so I mean especially the topics we're talking about are very, very strange. And there are most people will put this as well as uh being a little because it's it's been so legal, it's crazy. But there are the people who are supposed to hear this and the people who are supposed to hear this information will hear it, and even the energy that I'm putting out to doing this now is resonating and vibration, the people who are gonna hear it already. And those people have are the volunteer consciousness who come down here to help uh with this little timeline that are going on. So, yeah, there are multiple bases on the moon and uh connected connected to the fourth right and uh and other factions as well. The Orion group uh would have deep connections to so it's the subconscious, the moon is has deep connections to dreams and uh like I said, time loop cycles, but death. And number 13. The reinforcement of the number 13 on the letter N everywhere is to subconsciously make sure that we realize that we're coming back again. We're doing this again. 13 is capitalistic, uh very important capitalistic. So make sure that you're gonna die, you'll come back again. And McDonald's very what that to be. Uh that's the again everywhere, so consciously reinforces the fact that your birth and death is what it is.

SPEAKER_00 2:08:18

Interesting, very interesting. Um, what about Mars? Have have you traveled to Mars? Do you know anyone who's traveled to Mars? Um, what what's on the surface and um you know what's what's the deal with that planet?

SPEAKER_03 2:08:30

Memories and connections come on there, memories that are deep memories connected to it. And I think that um used to be an abundant planet, more like this planet, and uh the wars that continually went on there uh were horrific, and uh there was a 3,000-year war that continued to go on and on. And Mars is a marsh the energy of Mars, anyway, is a mass field of energy, but uh it was manipulated from destroyed Sun. Um the details of that war I can't follow right now but I'm heading. Um but um it there they're still working there, they're still working on uh there are bases on Mars, there are there it's it's a lot to do with manipulation of this planet. So uh by doing things on other celestial bodies in this whole system, you have access to you you have ways to manipulate this planet. Um yeah, so so when the Mars was Mars destroyed itself and uh became a barren kind of looking at but uh there's there's replica replicas of the pyramids, the geese pyramids down here, and uh there's a little there's there's it's a high-energy place there, it's also a hollow as well, like all the other bands here.

SPEAKER_00 2:10:00

Okay, interesting. Uh yeah, I know Michael Prince mentioned that he'd been there and he he could actually recall what it looked like, and he said it looked like Phoenix, Arizona, and the sky was blue, and there were apartments and um the way that it's portrayed in um in movies is not the way that some of the like the uh desolate like that.

SPEAKER_03 2:10:23

There's a living, there's a living population on the surface and so uh uh they absolutely it's in it's it's um it does not abundant in growth in terms of like uh plant plant life, but it's it's people that will think for sure.

SPEAKER_00 2:10:41

Okay, and then what about um deep underground military bases? Have you have you been in underground bases um either in the US or the UK or anywhere else? And and I mean what do you know about those?

SPEAKER_03 2:10:53

Um yeah, so so most of the most of the uh the dumps are uh that's where most of the programming of because it's also you it to program a person has to be done underground. It helps it's better if it's done underground because as soon as you go underground, uh you you become you walk into the subconscious mind. So uh because above ground is objects from underground with sunopters. So each one of the military bases, the underground military bases are placed on certain areas that certain geographical areas that affect different parts of the mind depending on what they are. So I have connections. There's one uh there's one in London that I have connections to, uh which is all of all below London is set out. There's a all below Los Angeles, we see the Lanakro back, and maybe below other places too and a flip background with Los Angeles and with London. It's all uh it's the entire city itself is has an underground city below it. And uh I have connections that I when I was a child I was brought to the facility. Uh CLC one, which is on a week only, and uh last majority of my program down there. And then the one that's in Los Angeles too. And uh I have connections to the D the Dulcey base. Now uh I was talking to somebody and uh from what I can understand it works this way when you get brought back, when you get brought especially in Dulce. When you when you enter the base, when you first go underground, they have uh symbolic, they have symbols on the wall as you're going there. So you're triggered in the first place, and then you go underground, and as you're driving down or as you're traveling through, you see these uh these specific symbols, and as you go past each one, it pulls you lower and lower. As you're going down, further down you go, each symbol pulls you into a lower state, uh a deeper state of uh consciousness. And so you you question why you're there, and as you go past another one, you realize a little bit more as you go past another one and you realize a little bit more. And the further down you go, then all of a sudden you're like, okay, now you remember who you are, you remember why you're there, you remember what we were doing. And in the reverse sense, when you come back up again, you're pull you're you're driven back up, you're on a vehicle back up. As you go past each symbol, it ra it it pulls you out of that slumber or out of that consciousness. It raises it back up until you've got to be entrance, and you don't even know why you were there in the first place. So everything is coded uh as you go down and you come back to the back up sense.

SPEAKER_00 2:13:35

Um that that's that's really interesting. I've actually never actually heard anyone um talk talk about that that part of um the dums before. So thanks for sharing that. And that that really makes sense because when you consider that symbols rule rule the world, not laws, uh that that famous saying from Confucius, that that the world is ruled through the subconscious. Um and and symbols speak to the subconscious, not words. It's it's it's you know, words, words are for the conscious, logical, rational mind. So yeah, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_03 2:14:04

Yeah, and they're there are they're they're very specific symbols. They're not symbols that I I see them in my head, I see the the how they are, but I've never seen them any words occasionally, but not exactly like this. These are very complex, unusual looking symbols. And uh they they pull you deeper, they pull you deeper, and so all of a sudden you like you realize exactly why you're there, exactly what you're doing. Like um I believe that I have or have help hold the position at uh Telsi. And uh, but I don't consciously have I'm consciously completely unaware of what it is the position that I hold. But when I'm brought down, say there's uh 12, 10 or 12 symbols as you go down, when I get to the 11th and 12th symbol, I can be become completely aware of the position that I hold there and know exactly what to do and what I'm supposed to do at that point. Completely aware.

SPEAKER_00 2:15:00

Wow, that's that's really interesting. Um and and so, you know, for all you know, this could still be happening. You could still be getting pulled off. And and so, you know, we probably need to wrap this up just in the interest of kind of um keeping the interview uh, you know, not too long for people, um, and and leave some over to part two. But um I I did want to kind of bring it back to the point of um, you know, are are you ever scared of talking? I mean, I know you've done a lot of interviews already and you've you've come out to a large degree or to some degree already with your story, but are you worried that there's gonna be repercussions? Are you worried that that you know certain people listening to this interview right now and and have their hand on the butt and ready to censor something if you say something, you know, controversial, or um are you worried that there's gonna be physical repercussions for your safety?

SPEAKER_03 2:15:51

Um I have never I I've never gone um as deeply into my connections uh to what's going on or shared enough where uh I have put myself in any jeopardy before. Um but I what what I see I'm making this as I said, the more deep problem I get, the more I care about about just having the information out there, and I lose fear in terms of what the repercussions are. It's on me, what's gonna happen uh if I do something, uh and then and then if there are repercussions, but I'm sure there will be repercussions for it. I'm sure they will. Something is gonna happen. Something will happen for me doing it. I don't have any fear from it though. I don't know why. I don't know why if I can explain about in part two, I'll explain about how the a lot of fear the emotional and fear aspects were deleted or they shut it down because certain altars have to be shut down so that because fear obviously controlled controls you to do or stops you from doing certain things that you that they want you to do. But I don't at this point have any any fear connected to it. Um but but I think that as I said it's connected to the fact that I have never really said anything that would cause them any trouble. I would never I haven't said anything uh extremely different apart from a couple of things that I said now haven't said the things that I think would cause anybody any issues, and that's why I want to deal with part two so that I could um do that and explain that.

SPEAKER_00 2:17:28

Well great. Well, well, again, thank you so much for doing this interview, and um I I think this is probably a good place to end it. Um if if you have anything further you want to add, um you know, go ahead if there's anything you want to kind of close with.

SPEAKER_03 2:17:44

No, I'm good, John. That's that's good.

SPEAKER_00 2:17:48

Well, thank you. I mean we we touched on a whole range of topics today, and again, I I appreciate your your openness and honesty and bravery and getting this this truth out. And um, I think this will really help a lot of people. And I I look forward to doing a second part with you.

SPEAKER_03 2:18:03

Awesome, thank you. Appreciate it.

SPEAKER_00 2:18:05

All right, all the best, Matt.

SPEAKER_03 2:18:07

All right, thank you. Thanks.