The Imagination
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The Imagination
TIP 'Movie Night' | Max Spiers - The 4th Reich, Dulce and the Moon Soul Catching Machine (2016)
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In this in-depth interview, Max Spiers joins host Alec to explore a wide range of challenging topics surrounding trauma processing, hidden power structures, and alternative views of reality. They discuss why examining difficult truths and trauma can aid healing and break destructive cycles despite claims that it only reinforces pain, then move into perceived alignments between groups associated with the Fourth Reich and Zionists, linguistic wordplay, divide-and-conquer tactics, and a higher controlling consciousness. The conversation covers figures such as Pindar serving as a bridge between underground and surface operations, hollow-Earth ideas, secret bases including CLC-1 under London for global finance and training, electromagnetic sub-shuttle networks, shape-shifting claims, body-jumping, and long-lived entities. Further topics include chemtrails and geoengineering as tools in a quiet war, reptilian energy addictions involving trauma and adrenochrome, underground facilities like Dulce, trafficking networks, Vatican rituals, the Moon as an artificial construct with soul-catching technology, Saturn’s role in amplifying frequencies to sustain a false reality, mind-control systems and alters, celebrity programming, predictive programming in Hollywood films such as The Matrix, Nibiru and the figures of Enki and Enlil, sigil magic, the illusion of free will in 3D, full-moon effects, and the push toward centralized one-world systems. The discussion closes on a more hopeful note, with rising planetary vibrations forcing the controlling consciousness to lose its grip, a period of chaos giving way to extended peace, while emphasizing that energy itself never truly vanishes.
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Hello, today we are meeting Max Spears for the second time, and we'll be talking about incredible stuff. Hello, Max. Hi, Alex. Let's start with the topic of usefulness. Why we are talking about those nice stuff and not nice, and also traumatizing stuff. Why we some people say that we reinforce uh the the trauma in people. So uh how much useful is that for the cleaning of this so so mess.
SPEAKER_02The trauma has the trauma has happened, it's definitely happened. Um there are millions of people who've come forward and said it in their stories from uh uh a line from all over the world. So it's like we know it's happened. Um then so so the next step after that would be then to process the feelings um and get them out because you have to it has to be done in stages. So if we're gonna break down this paradigm for b that we're that we're stuck in, this loop that we're stuck in, you have to do it in stages, steps, and and the so the second step would be to well no the first step would be to acknowledge the fact that it did did happen. Yes. And then the second step would be to, okay, it happened, okay. Now what are we gonna do? How are we gonna deal with with with with dealing with it? Uh if it's not fear-mongering, it's if it's the truth, if it's the truth, how can it be? How can it be? If it if if it's something's the truth, it's the truth.
SPEAKER_00So the truth must come out, and then uh those who can do something with that, they can do it. Yeah. But others, they can just um people don't want to do whatever they can.
SPEAKER_02Some people don't want to deal with it. So I've I've met I've met a few people who know that it's happened to them, but um um are not interested in going down there to deal with it. So they will stay in an addicted in an addicted state, mm most likely, uh if they don't. But um, yeah, so so I mean there are people who don't want to face it and don't want to deal with it because they're too framed. Because it takes a brave soul to go and you start looking at the the the rabbit hole and what's happened.
SPEAKER_00Okay, uh let's jump to the topic of the four F Reich. Uh-huh. So, uh how do you place those two groups, Fourth Reich and uh Zionists? Zionists.
SPEAKER_02Okay, I was thinking about this the other day as well. Um in all you know, in all words, there's truth hidden in all words and in the phonetics, the phonetic sounding of the words, and and in the writing of the words, too. If you look at the word Zion, um you just change a vowel around and you have and switch the letters around and you have Nazi. You have the word Nazi. Um so um I I don't believe that they were always um running with each other. I do believe they were at odds. This this is a war that goes stems back 50,000 years. They would they they they just weren't called Nazis and Zionists. That's just a modern day um norm that you know that they're using. But um so so yes, that but I believe because they have the same agenda, because they both have the same, they they they both want to implement or put into place the new world order that they they're sort of working together now and doing you know working in alignment with each other, but um in fight, because people with egos or beings with egos like that will always in fight and will always betray the the other, but um, but uh are aligned. I would say aligned. Yeah. I mean if divide and conquer is their thing, divide, division is their thing. If it to control for someone to control someone completely, you have to always control both sides. So um if you wanna if you want to control uh a football match, you've got to make sure that you have control, not just the best team, you've got to have the control of both the teams. And so the the principle is yeah, yeah. They're they're they're they're they're working like this, but f but maybe shouting at each other on the way.
SPEAKER_00So if these are two groups, it means that they have someone over them.
SPEAKER_02They would all there's always there's always a single, there's always a single consciousness at the top. One and then down, pyramid. But there's always a single um uh consciousness. I I say consciousness, not being or entity, because it's a consciousness, because this these consciousnesses are so if that's a word, consciousness is so powerful that they work through um thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of different bodies at once. So you I can't really call it here or she or it. It's many, many things.
SPEAKER_00Hive mind? Sure, sure.
SPEAKER_02Queen bee, hive mind, yeah, yeah. Okay, uh Pindar is over there? Right. Well but um that would be Pindar would be um the go-between, the go-between between the the the underground the underground crew and the overground crew. The underground ones work anything sub, anything below is is anything underground is working subconscious. So they do all the subconscious work below ground. Anything above ground is the conscious mind, because that that's just the nature of uh the philosophy of of that. Um so he is the go it would be the go-between um from the the subconscious to the conscious mind. So he will be given orders or will be told what to do from from the sub-group, and then will go and then deal with and then implement uh they have they have structured one year, three year, five-year, fifteen year, and 30-year plan 30-year plan um sets that they follow. And he sort of put holds that, puts that together. Um I suppose you sort of could you could you could call call him maybe sort of maybe like uh an archetypical Luciferian sort of character. That's that's sort of in my mind, sort of how I see it.
SPEAKER_00Okay, you said under and over. So explain the their underground bases.
SPEAKER_02Underground bases, sure, yes. And but underground world, an entire world. It's hollow, is it the earth? It's hollow.
SPEAKER_00So it's it's no, it's an entire oceans and uh many jungles under oceans, underground, like under uh the city of London. Yeah, the CLC one base.
SPEAKER_02Okay, what is there? That okay, that's all all the all the financial moves for the entire planet are done in the CLC one base. That's that's where I mean it's also that's also there's all sorts of mil military um training um and those the um military ops training programs that go on there as well. But uh primarily the you know the the the money the money moves are done there.
SPEAKER_00And uh Pindara physical is a human being or something else?
SPEAKER_02Uh he can be anything he wants to be. Okay, but yeah. Yeah. Anything. Because he has so to be able to do that, you'd have to have a complete understanding of DNA codes. And one I mean, once you do understand how DNA code codes lock and unlock, it's not actually that difficult to to do that. So we In 3D? In yes, yes. If if you want I don't I don't understand how to do it, but if you do, once you do, you can you you could be anything, you could be any object. Do you know the name Elena Kapulnik?
SPEAKER_00Um not too well, but I've heard I've heard it, yeah. Yeah, she's a super soldier, and she met uh uh through her astral body, she contacted uh Queen Elizabeth and uh the queen told her that she's seven thousand years old uh reptilian.
SPEAKER_02Right. Uh how would you comment that? Yeah, no, I I would probab I would probably agree with that. I don't know the specifics like you said, but I mean I wouldn't doubt that. And and but and body jumping, jumping from body to body when the when and then when when the body wears out, jump from to the next body through uh eye tra eye transfer. So they'll take the the point of death of the person, they'll uh draw the energy from the eyes as that at that and then to so take the soul, the soul comes out through the eyes, and then you can go in also in through the eyes. Of a child? Yes, uh, and replace the switch up. Yeah, and keep that one, yeah. Yeah, yeah. The awareness level also stays. The awareness level stays. So you she she would not lose her memories like we do when we go through our cycle, we'd be have amnesia.
SPEAKER_00So she remembers everything 7,000 years.
SPEAKER_02Yes, yes, full memory, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and uh oh uh some aside question in some interviews you look like you are kind of bored that you sit and just just look like I don't know, kind of sleeping, bored.
SPEAKER_02Why is that? I I I I know I think you asked me that early. I don't know. Uh I think sometimes some certain topics probably put me into a state of mind that um throw me off balance and and because all of this stuff is extremely sensitive, and um that's what that's the best I'm gonna you're gonna get from me with that one.
SPEAKER_00Okay, in Rothschild family, it's a huge family, uh, they have internal fighting. Uh, some super soldiers were used as assassins to get rid of some members of the family. Do you know something about that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Um, don't want to talk too much about uh Michael, but um that's his story. I think I think I want to leave that one alone and you know, and he I he it's it's available to go and have a look at. Okay. I'd rather, yeah, uh I I feel for him and I forgive him, and I'd like to I'd I'd like to know where he is and what's going on and if he's alright, and but um I don't want to touch his story at all.
SPEAKER_01Okay, okay, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Umtros, chemtros, yeah. Yeah. Why are they spread?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, okay, so I think in the same like principally the same and for the same reasons um with toothpaste and with hairspray and with deodorant and with creams and all of those things is this as to dumb down, um uh to make subservient, um, to add heavy metals to the body, um to to generally to generally make the population more subservient. So this is it's just an extra arm of um of that field. It's a part of the quiet war. Yeah, right, sidling weapons for a quiet war, yeah. Yeah, it's just we all know about it now. I mean we've been conditioned so much that um you know that even like I I saw a dis the Disney movie, uh uh some Disney movies, they even have in the sky and the dis they have chemtrails in the sky of the Disney movies. So they're conditioning the children to accept that. When 20 years ago we never ever saw anything like that. So it's so can so so well conditioning Disney being one of the primary child child um uh uh recruiting and MK centers on the planet.
SPEAKER_00Also uh to prevent the sunlight uh uh to to reach people in enough level uh to enough level so that uh the the consciousness of humanity would raise because the sunshine the sunlight yeah uh right right right right so the sun the sunlight raises your energy, yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_02So so they would when it's a nice day outside, you know, and you and you get the chemtrails, block it off, it takes it takes the the life the life-giving energy away from us. And so all the all the propaganda lies on the television about stay out of stay out of the sun are just that propaganda because the sun gives you um incredible healing, incredible healing energy.
SPEAKER_00The sun does not cause cancer, only the sun lotions cause cancer. There you go, right? There you go. Yeah, there you go. And uh also they spread nanotechnology in those in right, right.
SPEAKER_02It cast sort of rains down, right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. Uh underground subshuttle. Yeah. Have you traveled?
SPEAKER_02Okay, um actually what first, what is the sub shuttle? Okay, uh this is the I have an understanding of it because um I was given all the information or told all the information about it, but um it is magnet electromagnetic um rail system that um is dug all through the core of the earth and um is uh reaches speeds of like three, four thousand miles an hour through magnetic pull. So you can go so so you could essentially essentially do New York to London in an hour to to do what you need to do, and that's all the bases are connected. Australia, there are so many bases in Australia. People don't think about that and don't talk about it very much. Also, you know what's what's the slang term for Australia? Oz. Oz. Well, oz is slang for Osiris too, so it's male energy there. There's something there's something to do with the ritual, the big the Isis, Osiris, and Horus ritual, and Australia is representing Osiris. And Oz, like the magician from the story? Yeah, absolutely. They of course well the the wizard of Oz is the wizard Osiris.
SPEAKER_00Uh-huh. Yeah. And Subshuttle is uh the the stations for going on the Subshuttles. Uh Subshuttle are usually under Hilton Hotels.
SPEAKER_02Um Hilton's the Hilton is is completely in sync with uh this whole with them, yeah. Hill the Hilt Hilton's run with them and uh work with them. Certain rooms in uh in certain Hilton's um guests go in and then they will go into an astral state in that room and they will have a meeting in 4D in these certain rooms. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00After our first interview, some people uh said that why didn't I ask you to move some objects? Right. Because you said that you were teaching that boy to move objects. So yes, explain why.
SPEAKER_02Right. Um okay, so so most of the training is done in 4D, and for m most of the organization and most of the uh planning and and all of that is done in in 4D. Um in 4D is a much more fluid frequency, it's not dense and heavy like this. Um it doesn't mean that I could I I I probably couldn't if I uh was in a in a certain state, but as it stands, I'm in a front altar. This person here can't do that like that. But in 4D, I can because I did. Um so are we understanding that 3D is much denser, and so so that's why. So for 3D, you need like I I would still say it's possible to do it though. You you need a jolt of energy, pretty pretty powerful jolt of energy. But I think I had the potential to it for to be able to do it. Objects fall down. I've had objects, things crack, glasses crack, um, things fall off windows, windowsills, things like this. When when my energy is spiked, if I'm um agitated, it's just generally if I'm at the more agitated I get, things start falling.
SPEAKER_00The topic of addictions of the reptilians. Like uh humans have some addictions like alcohol, drugs, uh, sugar, this kind of stuff. Yes, reptilians have different are addicted to feelings, addictions, yeah. Right. Addiction to to torture to this energy. So please explain.
SPEAKER_02Okay, so um um putting a human being into a low vibr into a low vibrational state by big by creating a circumstance in their life which put that puts them into a depressive state would then um give off um an energy that they like because they like the f uh sadness, fear, trauma, and and especially tears. So somebody you know with their head in their hands crying is um the energy is called Luch L-O-O-S-H, and it's very, very high-powered energy. So they for them, very, very, very so they would somehow they would uh somehow um calculate, somehow calculate an event, even in dreams. I mean I've had dreams where I've been crying in a dream, and um I know that the the the 4D it's been it's been it's been mixed and done so that so that would happen. Um yeah, so they they're addicted to doing that, they're also addicted to the adrenal chrome, which is in the blood, which when you bring a human being to the highest state of fear that it can be in, the most extreme state state of fear, uh chemical is uh run through the body called adrenal chrome. And if um it's not a nice topic, but if the blood blood is then got from them at that point, that chemical adrenal chrome is is inside the blood. Yes. So you take that, and if you if that is consumed, the high from the adrenal chrome is is the highest high that you can you can get. So that's so that is sold on all on the black market. It's black um Satanists sell it.
SPEAKER_00So that's why they do they do the those rituals?
SPEAKER_02Yes. That's not one that's one of the reasons, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Similar topic, uh children in cages underground.
SPEAKER_02What did you see? Um okay, so there's just I've just seen um vats of um children. Vats of children in in dis disassociated states, some some crying, some not, some some some st gone, just gone completely. But they they use this food source. They use this as to test things out on and used as a food source. Um like that's for yeah cannibalism for meat? Yes, yes, yeah. And it and also emotion. Okay, so we've got the we just took the fear, the fear energy, and and the the fear of uh a child is that is even more pure energy, yes, for them, more powerful energy. So to get that from from a child is is that children is the the thing for them. And this is in uh Dulce Dul Dulce? Dulcie? Yeah, yeah, one of many, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Who runs Dulcey? Because there was a battle in the 60s and uh humans lost.
SPEAKER_02Uh yeah, humans did lose, yeah, they did. Um who runs Dulcey now? That's a very good question. I don't I don't know. Um I I know who did. I know the name of somebody who did.
SPEAKER_00Uh but uh Zatarticoli.
SPEAKER_02Th uh there there there was um he there was an MI6 um the guy who who who used to who did run. This is but this is not um open information. This is like hidden information. Um there uh so uh a man named named Alfred Bonner who uh ran um from underground MI6 um was known as original Fred Dulcie and for a time ran Dulcie now but that that was that was that was uh uh uh 90s eighties something like that so now I don't know and uh another base with the scar with the scar on his face here they they that which is which um denotes German aristocracy I mean they had the scar down the side of their face right like uh Mengler has uh I I uh it's uh there's another name it just came to me but I've forgotten it'll come back to me okay Los Alamos I mean yeah Los Alamos is an it's it's a I think Los Alamos is bigger than Dulcinea I think it's probably one of the biggest bases and those children are they kidnapped from yeah I mean they're also bred they also have breeders they'll have female breeders breeders down there also slaves yeah who just are constantly breeding children for them thousands of them um and then you've got the ones that are in the foster homes and care homes who no one really cares about and the how many street children are there thousands of street children the main the main human trafficking or the main child child trafficking center on this planet is um uh Rio Rio de Janeiro it's where where they get the most children from they bring them up through to the US UK and related topic is um Vatican underground yeah what happens this this kind of magic uh also with children yeah yeah yeah yeah well okay well so like so going back to the point you're understanding that they're using children for everything because it's the purest and most powerful energy so that's their thing I think that the the Vatican principle is run on on it's it's it's a vampiric consciousness parasitic vampiric consciousness and these the one you don't we we don't I mean the Pope is a figurehead and and nothing else and nothing else um you mean the the white pope because there is also the black pope absolutely yes I think either of them are um the one if if you see them if you see them on television um they're not in there they don't have any really any power yes okay because they they they don't need to be to have to have real power you're gonna be unseen okay so so the Vatican in terms of the Vatican um it's it's um it's I mean every every time I look at uh any any of the rituals that they do in the Vatican is just so clearly a satanic ritual it's unbelievable they say satanus in the in the in the in their invocations when they're doing it I I don't understand it's I don't understand why people aren't seeing that I think they've there's like a sp a spell or something done over thrown over the masses so they literally just don't maybe just don't hear or just don't see these things. They're in a certain state of mind. Yes yeah they're where where they're just unable they are it's impossible for them to be able to see it because it's so glaringly obvious to me I wonder why others can't see it.
SPEAKER_00There is a uh short film on YouTube showing that a Polish bishop right after a ceremony does this and goes away.
SPEAKER_02Are you kidding me?
SPEAKER_00Yeah bang look at that look at that okay so you I you know that this is it's triple six right but it's also the orifice this is an orifice right here represents the O okay the negative feminine okay so this is that and the three sixes too okay and during the normal church ceremony the priest drinks the blood yeah eats the body and gives the body to the people right how would you explain that um you mean how would I explain why they would do that ritual?
SPEAKER_02Okay the reasoning they give yes the reasoning they give is because they are saying that that they Jesus gave away himself yes so if you put if you consume um if you you know um metaphorically consume consume him then you become more like him right when in fact they're just getting you to participate in the cannibalistic bloodletting ritual which is very very powerful indeed and reinforcing their reinforcing programming it's a very powerful ritual when you do that when you drink that for that and you eat it's very powerful that's why um uh yeah very powerful um the moon what is the moon what is the moon what is the moon um it's uh it's a it's an uh a non it's not a it's not a a natural object it's an unnatural object I think that it was part of uh and it was maybe a part of something else and it was then moved in to this specific spot now um to be used for a number of different reasons right um uh as a as an ampli amplification system through Saturn which like we can talk about um and I but I I believe main I think there's multiple bases on the moon there's multiple Nazi bases on the moon there's multiple Draco bases on the moon they they seem they seem to be able to get on um the the the fourth Reich and the the Draco's uh to some extent they seem to be able to get on to some extent um they there's the soul cat there's the soul catching machine which is um there which is on the moon and which is and then uh the the amnesia so you go through through the machine um I sort of have a weird sort of feeling of remembering remembering it and remembering the feeling of it and not what um wanting to pull away I I remember I remember being uh killed before so but uh you don't get a full life review you're supposed it's everything is wrong with this whole system setup you're supposed to have a life review you're supposed to look if you're doing this this way look at what you've done look at it there's there's no bad or good there's no judgment there's no judgment like look look what you did here now you're banished to here or banished to there because it's we're all here trying to learn and understand so then you then you have it you have have a life full life review then you then you come back and choose your body choose what you your higher self then chooses what conditions you need to come back into and then you come back this way. The way that they've perverted it and inverted it is so they've set up a system a technological system where they'll through throw us through a machine when you die that then um traps stores the soul erases the memory completely and then throws you back into basically the same situation you just came from again with the same people just with different clothes and different you could you you you move you move in circles with the same people how does this m machine work exactly do you know no I don't know the tech no I don't know the technology of it.
SPEAKER_00So it's kind of automatic computerized technology yeah but I mean highly advanced highly highly advanced obviously catches all the souls? Yeah yeah yeah all of them yeah but some souls are pretty much advanced and in the next can bypass and leave uh and they like can progress in the next life so it means that this doesn't work perfectly well it doesn't no no none nothing they do works perfectly that's that's because that's what that's why they're losing they're losing control now.
SPEAKER_02Um a lot of like there's volunteer consciousness down here at the moment and I would class myself and yourself um as you know volunteer consciousness um specifically came down here to to try and change the paradigm to try and get this information out so that we can not have to be living like this and not having to if we have it to repeat the same cycles over and over and over again because they like they want to they want to stay here they don't want to go anywhere else that this consciousness wants to stay here stay in this body um never get older and continually um experience the highest of high experiences um and go on for and I think that they like they have to have continued war so there has to be war rest war rest after time right because the war keeps the duality alive without war the duality would um singularize because you have to war is uh you know against odds right one against the other that maintains duality where war is so important though okay do you know the technology of incarnating like we decide who decides if if for example I want to go into this body with these parents I decide or something else decides? Well uh that's a hard I think it's kind of a hard question because you in the in the biggest of pictures it's it's all your choice.
SPEAKER_00So it means that somehow I have my free will you do have on the a big picture but not here though.
SPEAKER_02Yes right? Yes once when you're here it's pretty scripted down here. Yeah because recently in the the last interview you said that we don't have the free will but we do we don't though you meant here yes when you go to the higher level you have free will but because you're you're omnipotent you're everything yes yes so absolutely you do but when you're contained in 3D physical body like this you don't you have the illusion of free will um the full moon uh makes people behave in a different way yes how does it happen that uh the the distance between earth and moon is the same and just because there's more sun on the moon the influence of the moon on earth is different so how physically because okay with the moon is the moon is in motion it represents emotion okay so when it when it's full um that means um the the light of the moon because the sun is the sun's hitting the moon so the light of the moon is hitting the you you're seeing it brighter so it's effects on the planet are going to be more intense they just are going to be um and if it's emotions it's gonna increase and heighten up the emotions on our on on every human being on the planet whatever emotions whatever yes either way either way I think whate whatever you are whatever stage you're at if you're on a high you increase more and also each moon is um astrologically is going to give a different effect as well an Aries full moon is going to be a different effect or a Scorpio full moon or a Capricorn full moon and Saturn how is Saturn related to the moon you mentioned earlier that they are connected yeah so the um we were talking about the um the transits the 2929 five yes uh year 29 29.5 year transit of saturn around around the sun the 29.5 uh day transit of the moon around okay so they're working so that so that we're seeing they're working in unison there with not numerology um uh saturn we used to be the life giving sun force of this um planet and uh some people do call it the black sun actually I have heard that um but uh it it's um it was it's it's a it was a very beautiful life giving planet and some this consciousness that has taken over whatever name you want to give it I find it difficult to put a name on it it's a parasitic consciousness right so it took over Saturn somehow and Saturn has the highest and lowest of frequencies of all the planets so it can have the highest frequency or it can have the densest lowest uh most difficult frequency so they bound it with a ring that energy ring around it so that and then they trapped the lowest uh frequencies that it could possibly have pushed the energy through to there is some some form of amplification amplification system on the um on the moon so um and then um those frequencies are then amplified to the earth and to make like like this focus down and um create the false reality that's here. And uh there is uh a lot of uh Saturn symbology in business uh the same because it because it ru it's everywhere it it's it's a saturn cult it's it's it's satin is is that you'll see the ring even the tick on Nike shoes yeah that's that's Google Chrome. Yeah it's uh it's tumor it's everywhere yeah so well it's because they worship it because it's keeping it's maintaining the false reality that's here if you bro if there was a way to break the ring I wonder what would happen if we could break the if we could if we could unbind Saturn or if we could if it could heal itself because it's at the moment it's not healed.
SPEAKER_00It's sick right as a planet if Saturn could heal the earth would heal and one of the symbols of Saturn is uh the cube sure because of the hexagon um on to on the top of uh on top of it because the hexagon is uh on top on top of the Sat Saturn on the north pole of Saturn yes uh okay and the cube also symbolizes artificial intelligence yes because you have uh binary system so it's uh computerized yes and you have uh two times two times two yes uh and the cube is to the third uh cubed cubed yeah yeah yeah yeah so it's uh one of this uh it's related to one of the symbols of uh Freemasonry where they have this uh in 90 degree uh angle you know the symbol I know exactly what we're talking about yeah the pet square yeah yeah so that's why in a lot a lot of rituals a lot of the OTO rituals when they we the auto templates orientus rituals you have to stand with your feet at 90 degrees as well and uh also 90 degrees means that it is fixed like ordnung yeah yeah yeah yeah yes yes absolutely absolutely but you have to obey your boss yes there you go yeah yes and um Dr.
SPEAKER_02Mangala yeah that's the subject who is this guy and uh what do you remember um actually we know who who he was uh during the war then he escaped to the United States and continued yes um I'm not kidding you I can see his face when I close my eyes I can see his face now um he he he's mainly he was mainly known for doing twinning experiments to to doing experiments on twins to see uh uh and pleasure and and doing pleasure pain reversal um so pleasure means pain pain means pleasure um he uh uh is um why I would right one of the most evil I mean we're up there one of the most evil of of them of them all I mean it's pretty hard to gauge when you're when you're doing when they're all sort of like in on it anyway but um I I have I just have I have for me now I disassoci I remember disassociating so many times when he when I would see him um that uh because that that's him that I suppose that's him pro uh programming other altars um um I have mem I have one or two memories of uh that which are vile um I don't really want to talk about them too much don't we want to r repeat repeat them again but um I know I can I can tell you that he's still alive I can tell you he's still he's still doing the work that he was doing and can and continues at a very very high level at the at the NSA um and maintains his age at about um 60 55 55 60 something something like that with the age reduction technology they've got and uh you said he programmed yes some of your altars yes and altars yes are also uh kind of uh cubed the cubed more like a honeycomb cubed yeah honeycomb so yeah so the once once once you um uh if you traumatize a human being to to they know exactly the the levels to do it at then uh the the the brain creates an amnesiac barrier around it and then you're then if i if if you're taught you are then able to go inside there and then uh program um uh an a a new person to do anything to do absolutely anything and then you can bring them back to their original state they would then the other altar is not aware of any any way of the other altar so you can I think there's there are uh a great number of them that can be done. Stuart Sverdwolf wrote a book 13 cubed that's right that's right which I think that's that would be something like six thousand two thousand nine hundred something okay right right okay okay there you go that's a lot um uh yeah it's it's it's um that that that would that they started do using that because um for spies and and uh you know um assassins because you can't torture somebody uh out of information that they don't know because it's not in that altar.
SPEAKER_00So it means that someone is like a businessman goes to goes to a country then they trigger him yeah to switch to another altar.
SPEAKER_02He because that can be com completely completely different yeah then he performs some task yeah then they switch him back they often have most most have front lives the front lives okay so that normal a regular sort of normal front life and then um and then they do the other things but they may not even be aware that they're doing them. Some I think some are some are do you know any of the triggers they use on you um to switch um not really not really I mean I know a couple of words but um it's is is of no benefit. Yeah um to to to do it it has to be done um with sound usually sound hand movement and a word so it's uh I've seen this one used a lot with a word which um which then breaks into another altar. Using Britney Spears trigger like that and a number Joaquin Phoenix trigger like that too. Um it's very sad.
SPEAKER_00Most of the singers are all All.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So they were trained since they were small babies.
SPEAKER_02Yes, because they got you they got project uh looking glass so they know what that yeah. They know they know they're breeding children for positions. So that when they're breeding them, they already know where they want to put them before they're born and what they're gonna do with them.
SPEAKER_00So they choose also uh the soul. Yeah. Proper soul for the task.
SPEAKER_02Yes. Exactly. And they they designed the body? Yeah um you there's that. There there's okay, well so so with the German, then the the the Forth Right projects were when they were making they were they pr taking DNA from different uh pieces, deep pieces of here, pieces there, mixing to to make the Uberman for the Uberman project. And then um uh so then that draws the spirit the soul uh from from whatever frequency in it would have to if if say if you took some DNA from Osiris and you took some DNA from something else and something else put it together, you'd be pulling down a very high vibrational soul into the body, and that's what they do, that's how they do it.
SPEAKER_00Nibiru, the topic of Nibiru. As I know, in uh the reptilian psychology, it is uh this way that if there is the reptilian king, his children, the intent of his children is to overthrow him, yeah, yeah. So in the ancient times he would eat their children uh also, but also the children were sent to some part of uh the planet to perform some tasks to to make them busy, yes, just to prevent them from taking over for taking over. And uh also uh the children were specialized in some topics. That's why we have in uh the Greek and uh Rome Roman mythology uh those gods of specific uh you know special gods like this god is for performing arts, this god is for this one. So the children of some god were trained to do something so that they wouldn't kill their father. Uh-huh. And the topic of Nibiru is uh as far as I know is also related to that because the king of Nibiru uh he was afraid of his sons, so he sent them to Earth to make them busy here. Okay, so we're talking about Enki and Enlil, right? Yes. Uh what do you know about uh those two guys and uh what is actually Nibiru? Uh it's a ship. Sh spaceship. Yeah, it was close to Saturn in 2012. Right, right.
SPEAKER_02It has twelve thousand twelve thousand uh year cycles.
SPEAKER_00Uh but uh also not cycle because it when it can jump through a portal to another galaxy.
SPEAKER_02Sure, sure, okay.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so the cycles are not important.
SPEAKER_02Right. Well it's it's just in um and then just in time. It takes twelve thousand years for it to come back again then. Wherever it goes, it it it comes around in twelve thousand years. Either way. Okay, so Enki and uh Enki and Enlil. Um uh Enki um was for uh the people, for for humanity, and stood and and was a protector of human beings. And um Enlil uh was still wanting to use them as slaves. So um now this is all debatable and all up for you know it's it's what anyone thinks. So it's this is my I'm telling you how I feel about it. Um and uh so so Enlil was still you're wanting to use human beings as slaves to get the monoatomic gold. Well, they've is all the gold's gone now. Um but I know that they're here now. I know that the those the two those are.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, Simon Parks also says that they are now both here, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Oh, yeah, they definitely they definitely are. Yeah, and I think in body in ph in in in um in um physical bodies, no doubt about it. And anywhere as well.
SPEAKER_00And so what do they do? What do you think? What do they do?
SPEAKER_02Are they somewhere in the they do their they do all their work in 4D? Uh-huh. Okay, they could live a totally boring humdrum normal life, doing nothing here, but uh in on on a 4D level is where they do all their stuff. And and they would not be seen, they would not be uh they would not be a tele a mu they would not be a musician or an actor or um uh something like that. They wouldn't be a a television personality, you know? Because they would they there's much more power in being unseen.
SPEAKER_00Uh Sigil Magic. Do you know some guy who draws comics? Yes. Yeah. How does he do that?
SPEAKER_02And what Sigil Magic is very interesting um and can be used. Uh I think uh magic in in general is um it's intent. It's a ma magic is neutral and and until intent is put to it. Um uh I just let me think. I've forgotten his name now. Um you have to let me think think of his name. But anyway, the principles of the principles of it is um if you can design any any drawing or any um uh painting or any symbol that is put onto paper, then uh created, and then uh given a charge, um could you can then turn that into the ph into a physical reality. You can turn that into a uh into th into a 3D physical reality. So you you charge it through I don't see I don't know the exact science of it of how it works, but I just know that you are with sex if you charge if you charge the sigil or or or or or the sigil is a symbol. Yeah, exactly a symbol. If you charge it with sexual energy, then you're gonna charge it with creative force energy, then you can bring that into 3D. You can manifest and you can pretty much manifest anything into 3D with um sex magic. That's that's that's their main thing.
SPEAKER_00Uh-huh. So it means also that they can charge some kind of some kind of a symbol with intent and energy, and then K they can publish that. Yeah, yes. And it makes something.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. Okay, so the the intent is obviously critical to the whole thing. Um I nearly had his name and I've forgotten. Yeah, he he he does the uh X-Men comics. He now he he he writes a lot of the X-Men comics. He um put himself into the comic books that he was writing, and then started to find out that when he'd write himself into his comic, and then what the comic he'd create, but then um he would it would happen in his real life.
SPEAKER_00So um uh he created his life through the papers.
SPEAKER_02Yes, yes, and turned himself into a character that he wanted to be through through that, and uh yeah.
SPEAKER_00So if he could that if he could do that for himself, it means that uh Hollywood can influence, and it's of course done created to influence millions and billions of that's the that's the main thing, yeah.
SPEAKER_02That's the thing. Holly Hollywood is the big sorry Hollywood is the biggest um illusion uh manipulation manipulation tool of of them all. And um you have there there are good forces working within trying to counteract the negative ones. So what show what you'll have happen is you'll have a movie, a film come out, which you'll be swaying the consciousness one in one direction, then you'll have an alternative film studio put uh put movie out which will try and sway the consciousness in the other direction to make sure that so it doesn't go wrong. Um, so you'll uh and they in they interchange characters as archetypes, so they'll you they'll you they may use um Matt Damon as a Christ archetype as one at one point or a Luciferian archetype as another time to switch it up to keep it confusing.
SPEAKER_00Like uh Terminator in the first part he was a bad guy, uh Schwarzenegger. Right. In the second part he was a good guy, right?
SPEAKER_02I mean yeah, so uh so but I'm talking about archetypes rather than specific character names.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Okay. Um the film Matrix. Yeah. What is real in the film?
SPEAKER_02I think you can pretty much go go to that movie and find a lot a lot of the answers in there. I think there's a lot of answers in there. I think that that when that movie came out in 1999, it it um it was a big shift. It was around the eclipse time, around there was a huge uh full solar eclipse in August of 1999. And um that's around the time when The Matrix came out, and there there was a massive jump in consciousness, human consciousness, and this that movie had something big to do with it because it impacted the world and gave people an understanding, a better understanding, even if they didn't believe okay, that is that, it at least gave them the opportunity to um muse over it, you know.
SPEAKER_00In Matrix, uh there is a moment uh where when uh this Agent Smith interrogates Neo. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And for half of a second, yeah, they show um the driver's license of NIO. Yes, it says nine, it's nine-eleven on there. Yeah, 9-11. The uh the validity of the license is till 9-11, 2001.
SPEAKER_02Right. It tells you the date of uh yeah, the of the twin tower. I I I've I've got about 10 movies where it shows you um uh back to the future as a whole lot of 9-11 symbolism because they would they they can't do things like that. Remember, they can't create. These beings can't create, they don't have creative energy force, they don't have it, they have to take others and then do it that way. So they they have to that's that's called predic predictive programming. So they're putting these in there to slowly, slowly condition the mind to accept the fact that the towers were gonna fall. And then then um they you know they did. They couldn't just they you couldn't just do it, they have to get us to do it. They essentially had to make us make the towers fall, because they can't do that.
SPEAKER_00Can they go to this heart chakra? Actually, do the the reptilians have chakras and different I don't know the chakra system of them.
SPEAKER_02I don't know. I don't um they s they see the uh most of the the uh attributes of the heart chakra as uh as weaknesses though and vulnerabilities.
SPEAKER_00So they would um I would say they perceive us as weak because we have emotions and different states of us.
SPEAKER_02Yes, and they also perceive us as weaker because we have to change form and change our body uh as we go through the years. They don't. They've had the same physical form through millions of years. So that and they think that we're weaker because of that. The the this current war, the current war that's and this is I've I've noticed like a really, really big anti-god movement uh at the moment, like it's coming on really, really, really strongly. They're pushing um uh internal, I mean uh internal, internal self. So like governed by yourself, you know, which is the triple six symbol. So triple six is just the number of man. Any any act for self is triple six. So um, you know, I've seen that pushing it and pushing it. They're trying to usher in the new eon, they're trying to get rid of the Christian era. I guess that that was when the Crow League started that in 1913 with the Book of the Law, and kill off that, and then start the new Eon of Horus. I and it's very interesting to me because I don't know before before the Aeon of Horus, there was the Aeon of Osiris, and before that the Aeon of Isis. Ion of Isis was um matriarchal worship, and then the Aeon of Osiris was the worshiping of um or male domination, and which is was sort of still in that. Now we're going into the eon of Horus, which is the child. So it's um child energy, child heart. That's what the eon so w I was thinking about it myself the other day. What is what's wrong with that? What's wrong? We're all that we all cycle cycles are cycles, we're cycling through any, we're always cycling through. That's cyclic cyclical, is how it works here. So why why is why is it that it's that the other two um uh eons are okay were alright, and this new one is so particularly bad.
SPEAKER_00The Christianity was started by the Roman Empire, and now we still have the Roman Empire uh under different names, yeah, like Vatican United States. Yes. So they want to exchange it for a different religion? Yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_02They they want I mean they they want they want a one world whole one world system set up set up, right? One world religion, one world government, one world I mean money. That was a gold bug. Uh-huh. Um uh yeah, exactly. One one a whole system with centralized system, which would be more um would it would be more uh uh efficient. Next right. Depopular depopular uh depopulization and then a centralized system, but they want an androgynous um uh uh um people. They want an androgynous because they want to have be able to have the better both, so they can have both in one body, they want to have that. That's why they're pushing the the feminization of man, uh the masculine and the emasculation of woman, and the Bruce Jenner thing is all predictive programming, conditioning, and showing you that look what we can do.
SPEAKER_00So the the child in the morning can wake up and decide I don't want to be a boy anymore, I want to be a girl.
SPEAKER_02No, I know, right, right, right, right. Um this is a lot, a lot, a lot of MK though. This is these these are um mind control. These kids have been mind controlled to do that. Kids and also societies.
SPEAKER_00Sure. In in Alaska it happens In Alaska? Yeah, I heard that. Really? In the schools uh it is pushed so much that uh the school director cannot say anything against if the the boy says I'm a girl. That's it.
SPEAKER_02Really?
SPEAKER_00I'm not for sure, but some of the things. That's very fascinating. Uh okay, for the wrap-up, maybe something more positive. Uh because there were some negative uh yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Well well the pause the positive thing, the the positive thing about all of this is it is coming to an end. And um it is coming to an end. And um the this consciousness um is g is is ha is getting to a position where it has to give up. It has to give up, it doesn't have a choice anymore. Because the vibr yes, yeah, because the vibration of the planet here is raising so fast that it I mean it's gonna hold on uh as long as it can because to give up to give up the power that it's had for so long. And remember, this war, and I've said it before, is is between the priests and the scientists. This is an ongoing war between the priest faction and the scientists. The scientists worship worship um the uh self and the internal, and the priests worship um the spiritual, like the spiritual god, right? So this is the war that's going on. Even the massive atheism movement, which is tied up with a bow, which really is Satanism. Really, there's a there's there's lots and lots of parallels with that. They're dressing up um these new other new, new sort of uh named philosophies, which are basically modern Satanism. Um, anyway, uh the the vibration of this planet is right, raising very, very fast, very quickly. And as it does, they there's gonna there's gonna be a period of chaos because there has to be, as it raises, we're gonna start seeing things for what they really look like, and they don't look like this. So um for some people, the majority of people, it's gonna be a bit of a bit of panic for a minute there. But I think that there are people here put in place um sleeper agents as well to know what to do at what at the exact time. I believe I've I I programmed myself a long time ago to know where to be and what to do at a certain time. I trust my intuition very, very well, and I know I'm being guided and helped out all the time. All the time.
SPEAKER_00And we can see they are panicking. Yeah. Like the amount of chemtrails and amount of guns.
SPEAKER_02I mean that's all fear, that's all fear stuff. It's um if they're having to do that more, that means they're frightened, right? They're in a state, they're in a state of fear. So it's massive. Very good news.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, it's good, yeah. Actually, the uh the vibration raising is um caused by what? By a a certain position of the solar system uh solar system in the galaxy.
SPEAKER_02The earth itself uh wa uh waking up, go going through sl uh slief cycles. So um as the earth wakes up. Yeah, exactly, exactly, exactly. Okay, so that as that happens, they uh there's nothing they can do about it. So they're gonna they're gonna have to run like get off the planet. Run literally just do a runner. Run run away is the only choice they've got. So they can come back after. We're gonna we're gonna face them again on another battlefield, okay? And another time in another place. They're not gonna disappear, okay? These these guys don't just disappear. But we I believe we're gonna have a massive reign of peace and there will be paradise here uh for a very, very, very long time. But they're not gone. They don't energy is energy is not created or destroyed, is it? It just transmutes or shifts to another to another thing.
SPEAKER_00But is it possible that out of the panic they would do some suicide? Global suicide? Is it possible?
SPEAKER_02Um you mean them kill themselves? And everyone else? Because they can't do that. You can't just do that. You can't just kill everybody. Using nuclear weapons? No, it won't be allowed. I don't think it will be allowed to do that. They've there's they've there's holes, there's certain things they just can't do. You know, they've they've crossed so many lines and broken so many, you know, barriers. Rules. Rules, so many rules, every rule. Every time they make a bargain, they break it. Every single time they make a bargain, they're they're the ultimate lies and betrayers. Betray betray the betrayers of the galaxy. They'll say one thing to you, and I mean and they pathologically lie. I mean, lies are the easiest thing in the world to them. It's much easier for them to lie and have a f false front than it is to tell the truth about anything. Um yeah, so that's the right.
SPEAKER_00That's why maybe they use the symbol of the moon, uh, or they use the moon actually, because the moon reflects the sun, yeah. The the real light. The moon is the false light. Totally. Com completely. You have uh we have moon and money mono eye.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yes. We have mono eye, right? Triangle. Yes, yes, a moon eye. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought about the the other day, I thought about the monkey as well, a moon key. And what is what does a monkey have to do with the moon? I don't know. But I uh a moon key is an interesting thought. Okay, so so the moon is feminine energy, remember, okay, and the sun is masculine energy. Okay, now if um the false reality is being amplified from the um uh moon, which is f which is negative feminine energy, that is what I've been trying to I'm saying that at this point um it's in the what's controlling this planet is negative feminine energy. Trying to yeah, trying to um emasculate the um the males, the the males, the strong males on the planet who are here to protect the divine feminine, who need to protect the divine feminine. So it's the negative the false dark uh female, which is the moon moon energy, is doing that. Just wanted to clarify that one. This is good stuff, right? Yeah. Thank you. Oh, thank you. That's awesome. Thank you.
