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From Chess Scams to Asteroid Defense: A Monthly Rant on Modern Life

Rich Easton

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We dive into a monthly hybrid of fictional and non-fictional stories that compel our host to rant about everything from cheating scandals to adult toy buyers and loud talkers in public.

• Exploration of cheating in unlikely places including grandmaster chess and professional fishing tournaments
• Examination of Hans Niemann's chess scandal with computer move matching rates higher than legends like Bobby Fischer
• Revelation of fishing tournament cheaters using lead weights to double their fish weights for prize money
• Commentary on the dangerous driving habits on Interstate 275 in Tampa-St. Petersburg
• Analysis of the growing "kidult" market with companies creating adult-focused toys worth 14% of industry sales
• Observations about people using "outside voices" in public spaces, especially when using technology
• Discussion of Herschel Walker's Senate campaign controversies and contradictions
• Celebration of NASA's DART mission successfully changing an asteroid's trajectory 7 million miles from Earth


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Speaker 1:

Welcome to another episode from Just Tales, a monthly hybrid of fictional and non-fictional stories that compel me to rant. There'll always be a golf story or two laced into my blog because, well, it's where I spend a good amount of my recreational time. So, whether you're a golfer or not, if you're a skeptic, doubter or open-minded, this is the place for you, so kick back and listen. First of all, a shout out to all the healthcare professionals that helped me to prepare my body and mind to take on the world each day Megan and Sean at the Mount Pleasant Stretch Zone, nico at Infinite Chiropractics, sue Harder, pt extraordinaire. And, of course, t-cob, my yoga guru. If you're a super ager like me, when the sun rises, it's a call to action to get out and move your body. If you want to stand taller longer, it behooves you to find the people that dedicate their lives to that cause and do everything possible to avoid hospital visits to fix what's already broken. In this episode, I'll rant about bad drivers, kidults the benevolent Herschel.

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Walker, loud talkers in public. What are they thinking? But first a segment I call If you Can't beat him, cheat him. Yeah, if you can't beat him, cheat him. Well, nobody says that but it seems like everybody's doing it.

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Now I happen to play golf with a bunch of guys and gals that are exceptions to that supposition Billy the Kid the Tin man, Dr Payne, mike K, guns the Slammer, paul Bunyan, southern Brad, buffalo, kate Long Tall, sally the Llama, Pauly Walnuts and, of course, cloudy Graves, who I've always said said you can play cards with this guy over the phone because he's so freaking honest and I'm sure that many of you and your buddies are the same, Although we all have that golf buddy who tends to forget his shots when he writes down his score, maybe uses a foot wedge when other heads are turned, always finds their balls when it appears to fly deep into the woods or after hitting a few homes adjacent to the course. So I'm playing golf the other day with Cloudy Graves and he shares this story with me about this guy playing in league competition. And understand, when you play in any kind of league competition, particularly a senior league down here in the low country, everybody is counting everything, including one-foot putts. I mean you have to make everything, you have to count every shot and everybody's looking at everybody because it's serious. So this guy identifies, he hits a shot and identifies what looks like poison ivy at the perimeter of this patch of woods, maybe 20 yards off the fairway. He proceeds to walk deep into the woods, miraculously finds his ball, walks back out past the alleged poison ivy and takes a two club free length drop. Now for you rulesy folks, there's a rule that allows a one club length drop from where your ball comes to rest if it causes you to touch any poisonous flora while taking a stance in a swing. So it's actually a rule. But this guy hikes deep into the woods like Hansel and Gretel, leaves breadcrumbs to find his way out and then gives himself a free drop without consulting his playing partners. Face it, some people cheat.

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Now, this segment's not about cheating in golf. It's not about secret documents taken from the White House and commandeered by the FBI at Mar-a-Lago. It's not about lies told by Alex Jones about the Sandy Hook massacre just to build his following of lemmings. And, by the way, a jury in Connecticut just awarded families from Sandy Hook upwards of a billion dollars. Now this adds on to the 50 million that was awarded in the state of Texas, and there's more to come. It's not about the continuing saga of the cover-up lies told by Alex Murdaugh and his banker.

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That's not about the NFL doctor that allowed Tua to return to the game after what everybody with at least one eye witnessed in the Miami Buffalo game. After he couldn't get up, he finally stands up and he falls down when he's walking. I mean, the doctor proclaims it's a reoccurring injury to a lower back problem. No, it's not the argument that Mark McGuire or Sammy Sosa really hold the home run record despite their alleged doping. And, by the way, I think Aaron Judge will be the first to break his own record at 62. No, it's not even all pro athletes doping scandals In just about every sport where money and records mean something. No, this segment surrounds cheating in the sport of chess and pro fishing. Oh, oh, oh.

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By now you've probably heard the stories of 19-year-old Hans Niemann, chess grandmaster, who's risen to the championship stardom faster than anyone in the sport of chess ever. He beats number one in the world, magnus Carlsen, and then, in a repeat match after the first move, magnus surrenders in protest against Hans Neyman. Is Magnus just a sore loser? Maybe, but most would say it's for good reason. And let me explain. The greatest grand chess masters like Carlson, bobby Fischer, gary Kasparov and many more have had their tournament play over years of games compared to the best computer model of any chess move. So in other words, this model would game every single move that they've made, and whether or not their moves and the computer moves were the same, now I would say, of all games played, if somebody got it right 50% of the time that would be 50% of the time. That would be incredible right. Fischer, kasparov and Carlson would have results closer to 70%. That means 70% of the matches they've played they made the exact moves that a giant computer would have made. That is near impossible or certainly improbable.

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Now here's Hans Nieman. Hans Nieman's games rank in the mid-70s, so over 75% of all of the tournaments that he's played he has matched the computer and in many of those, 100% match. So his average was 70, but he had a lot of them 100% match. So his average was 70, but he had a lot of them 100% match against the most sophisticated chess algorithm ever made. Perhaps he's an idiot savant, but if not for the fact that he openly admitted to cheating using a computer when he was younger.

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I think that kind of gives way to the kind of player he is. It's like, I think, once Jeffrey Dahmer admitted to the first few killings, he was unreversibly targeted as a serial killer. I think once you admit you cheat, you're a cheater. Another human factor that added to these accusations is that Hans Nieman lacked that concentration under stressful moves that other grandmasters would visibly demonstrate when they had a do-or-die move. So when you have a very tough chess move, according to these grandmasters, you could see it on their faces. You could see them stand up, walk around. They're thinking that you know it's just. You see this concentration on their faces.

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Now this guy, hans, had none of that, none of it. So he's just like looking next move and he makes the move. And so some conspiracy theorists were suggesting that Hans had this Bluetooth activated, vibrating anal beads up his butt, and when somebody with access to a computer would model each move and then send Hans this Morse code like signal to his butt which would inform him on the next move. Now I got to admit I love the creativity of conspiracy theorists, as lame-brained and disbelievable as their theories are. But in this situation, with Hans Nieman beating the best in the world, it may not be a mystery, it just might be very well executed cheating, cheating and walleye fishing.

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Chase Kaminsky and Jake Runyon were busted when they were holding the winning fish to take the $27,000 first prize in the Lake Erie walleye tour. Their fish each weighed eight pounds. Now all the other competitive anglers were perplexed because their fish were of similar size, some even larger, but only weighed a tad over four pounds. So they ordered a gutting. When the walleyes were open, they found lead weights and fish fillets in their guts Fish fillets Like last I heard. There are no swim through McDonald's in Lake Erie, so I'm sure they used the fish fillets to surround the lead weights so they probably wouldn't clink together when they went in for the weighing. Chase and Jake had been known to win hundreds of thousands of dollars on tour, in addition to the three boats and gear they won from their sponsor. So not only are these guys being sued, chase and Jake now are outed from the future of any angling tournaments, and my guess is, if they did it at this one tournament, they've done it before. $27,000. That was their level of larceny to be able to continue to win money. Now you have to believe that the hundreds of thousands that they've won probably had a little foul play. But here's the thing they're done. They never thought they'd get caught putting four pounds of weights and fillets in four pound fish to double their weight, and they never thought they'd get caught. I mean, are all of these other anglers that dumb? I don't think so. I think these guys have gotten away with it and now, all of a sudden, the others are like hey, we know you cheat, we caught you cheating. I'm surprised there wasn't mutiny. I'm surprised these guys weren't hung.

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Hey, when I was a kid, my dad used to take me on these party boats off of Captree Bay on the southern shore of Long Island and the basic premise was we were going to go out fishing blues, flounder, whatever but in addition to our just going out to catch fish to bring home to eat, there'd be a contest. We would all chip in $20. And I say we, my dad chipped in my $20. And there were 20 other anglers on the boat and we would all compete at the end of the day for who caught the biggest fish. Now, back in the day, my dad told me about cheaters using lead weights to win the $400 prize, or depending on how many anglers there were. So this has been going on forever. Wouldn't you think that artificially weighing down.

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Fish is a common cheating scheme. Rules are developed in every game to level the playing field. In sports, in finance, in taxes Rules followers want everyone to follow the rules like themselves. It makes the challenge and the disciplines to win that much sweeter and that much harder. And cheaters well, all you have to do is read the front page or screen of the news every day and you're going to see how common it is. And I would bet that almost every one of them thought they weren't going to get caught. Catching cheaters is like the most published and read story anywhere. So, like I said, if you can't beat them, just cheat them.

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Bad Drivers this is generally a golf-like podcast, so you would think this segment covers golfers that can't get off the first tee box or manufacturers of golf equipment that advertise the shit out of their new, improved drivers like the Stealth Gen 5, g425, m4, tsr3. I mean, these are pretty sexy names. And the overhyped failed Callaway Maverick I truly believe that that name of that driver was basically set to align with the Top Gun movie that, because of the pandemic, launched two years after the Callaway driver launched. But this segment's not about that and I'll say this about drivers Find a driver and shaft combo that helps you hit more fairways and less houses, and stick with it. Putting the ball in play is far more valuable than hitting it 10 to 20 yards longer into the woods.

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No, this segment's about the Tampa-St Petersburg Raceway, commonly called 275. Now I don't want to come off like an old curmudgeon. Those young whippersnappers need to slow down. Look, I've driven cars and motorcycles in 48 states and seven foreign countries. I've driven on the Autobahn in Germany as fast as my rental car would take me. All that being said, I go down to St Petersburg, florida, again last week and confirm that once you're going south on 275 and you get to North Fowler Avenue, the journey, it makes a complete change. All of a sudden, cars start darting between lanes without signaling, like the gumball rally.

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All right, ladies and gentlemen, start your engines. Come on, mama.

Speaker 1:

Fasten your seatbelts and get ready for fun.

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The gumball rally has begun, whoa.

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From Times Square to the Pacific Ocean.

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The first rule of Italian driving what's behind me is not important.

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I've driven in Manhattan when taxi drivers ruled the road and I fared well for myself, but they weren't going 95 miles an hour, switching lanes. I've been making this trip to St Petersburg since I've lived in the Charleston area for eight years and I've noticed something different about the traffic flow, probably the last three or four years. It's only gotten worse with the migration south. So last Thursday morning I'm down in St Petersburg, I'm going to head back to Charleston. I decide to get an early start, 5.30 in the morning. I'm trying to beat this impending storm coming from the Gulf and I also figure all of these speed demons that I saw on my way down. They're probably still sleeping off the night before. Well, I was right about the storm, I beat the storm, but I was wrong about the drivers. As soon as I hit 275 in South St Petersburg heading north, the race began. In South St Petersburg heading north, the race began. 80 miles an hour was considered slow, even in the right lane. So the first 28 miles to get me from South St Pete over the bridge into Tampa 28 miles took me 17 minutes. Not because I wanted it to take 17 minutes, I was okay if it took 25 to 28 minutes. I had no choice. And then the next eight miles from downtown Tampa up to North Fowler Avenue. Eight miles Took me five and a half minutes. So in those combined 23 miles I was cut off five times, had a swerve twice and I could read the fine print on bumper stickers while having to drive 90 miles an hour. What the fuck? Everything seemed to change when I got past North Fowler Avenue, like the speed rally was over Now. Traffic was still averaging 85 miles an hour but there was less rude cutting and swerving. It all seemed to cool off.

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I used to think of Florida as the blue hairs and driver's heads invisible. You couldn't see them when you were behind the car because of the age of the population basically suggested people shrink and they're now under five feet tall. So when you're driving behind them you can't see them and you can see they're driving slow. So you kind of understand what the demographics was Now, despite still the demographics favoring the boomers, millennials and Gen Z owned the roads and the entire 48 hours I was down there, not a traffic cop to be seen on the roads. Now I'm not sure their vehicles could keep up with some of the rabbits. So, in summary, if you're driving 275 in the Tampa St Pete Speedway, buckle up and get ready for a heart-pounding ride, because you don't have any other choice. Kidults Wait, are you saying these toys are for grown-ups?

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Hold up. Are you playing with toys? Dude? You totally are Just looking through my old collection. How childish can you possibly be? Honestly, dude, this is like watching my four-year-old brother.

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You don't have a four-year-old brother, yo dude.

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I am totally inviting Christian over. He has got to see this. He lives like 30 minutes away.

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So I'm reading the journal the other day and I come across this article and I just have to share it with you. So Mattel's American Girl has new cocktails at its in-store cafes and in grown-up dresses that mimic outfits worn by its dolls. Lego has more than 100 sets designed specifically for adults. Build-a-bear, which lets kids design their own teddy bears, has a line of racy stuffed animals only for customers 18 and over. Even McDonald's is looking at serving adult Happy, happy meals. Yeah, you get a toy, you get an adult toy. Grownups have long looked to childhood playthings for nostalgia, for comfort or value as collectibles. The market came of age during the pandemic, as a lot of Americans look to reconnect with their past as a way of reducing stress, becoming a key driver of new sales of everything from games, trading cards and other things toys. People aged 18 and up accounted for 14% of US toy industry sales for the 12 months ending June 30th of this year.

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Now maybe some of them were buying gifts for kids, but no, most of these gifts were toys made for adults, you know. Think of adult Legos, building kits, plush stuffed animals, action figures like Star Wars and Marvel characters. I think toy executives and analysts see this moment differently than any other period ever of nostalgic base buying. So instead of making these little figurines for kids, they're now making them for adults. I mean, are you getting this for kids? They're now making them for adults. I mean, are you getting this?

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Some toy companies are making a play for this emerging audience by creating adult-only e-commerce portals. One is Hasbro, which makes everything from Nerf, play-doh and my Little Pony to Power Rangers, dungeons and Dragons and Marvel and Star Wars action figures. It now has a site geared for adults called Hasbro Plus that sells an exclusive lineup of toys and movie-themed items like Ghostbusters, plasma Series, proton packs. I mean, I have to laugh only because I'm not one of these adult toy buyers. Understand, I've bought adult toys, but they tend to vibrate on command. So it's interesting to me another one of these offshoot of the pandemics. And here's one thing I could categorically say about all these kidults Nobody's getting laid Loud talkers. Is it just me, or are you noticing that too often, people with Bluetooth earbuds, headphones or even cell phones in public talk at a decibel level much higher than if the person they were talking to was just five feet in front?

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of them.

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When I was a kid growing up, and when I was parenting my kids, there was a thing called inside voice and outside voice.

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Carlos Kathy, where are you going?

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Out here where we can use our outdoor voices.

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Oh, when we talk, we've got two choices. We can use either one of our two voices. My indoor voice is kind of quiet, like a kitty who just meowed.

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So we all know the inside voice is modulated, relatively calm, polite and socially appropriate. When speaking indoors it's the quieter, more socially aware voice that, at the right tone and tenor, keeps others around you not involved in your business and certainly keeps them from jerking their heads and giving you that death stare to signal shut the fuck up or tone it down.

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When we're in school or riding in a car. It's our indoor voice now the outside voice.

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It's stronger, it's more elevated voice considered appropriate when speaking in open areas where there might be more distance between conversationalists. So, to summarize indoor, indoor lower, outdoor higher. But outdoor voices don't always make sense when you've left the indoors and sometimes even a whisper interrupts quiet zones like funerals, graveyards, outdoor retail centers and open malls, outdoor seating for restaurants and bars, airports and open malls, outdoor seating for restaurants and bars, airports, outdoor concerts while performers are in mid-stride with their songs and, of course, golf courses. Too many times in recent days I've had to experience listening to golfers take calls while someone else in the foursome is about to tee off, hit a fairway iron or make a putt. I get it. You're busier than retired Richie and you've chosen to play golf when you have 10 different business deals in play at the same time.

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I respect high performers. I respect high performance individuals that are sometimes prisoner to their work and sometimes prisoner to their controlling bosses. I've been there and I've found that I'm fairly one-dimensional. I either choose to play golf with others and focus on the local dynamics, or I put myself in a place to call and take calls dynamics, or I put myself in a place to call and take calls and newsflash. Nobody in your foursome cares about your work or social life at home outside the golf course while you're playing Golf's hard enough in the quiet of nature. Hearing a conversation that you're not involved in while you're getting ready to hit a shot of your life is disturbing. But golf courses are not the only technology interrupted environment. I've been to outdoor concerts, like recently Grace Potter at the outdoor stage at the Windjammer at IOP, and while Grace was singing one of her heartfelt songs while she's playing piano, this guy next to me was loud, talking on his phone with earbuds sticking out of his ears, like Shrek, and he had nothing to do with what Grace Potter was doing and people around him just kept looking at him. I mean, are people just socially unaware? He ignored the death stares that everybody around him was giving him until this lovely little millennial co-ed walked up to him and gave him the shush sign. You know that sign when you put that finger up against your lips and you mouth shush. Then he walked away and got off his phone.

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I'm too often in grocery stores or airports or even on planes when a person with low emotional intelligence pipes up their voices while talking with their earbuds in with total disregard for others around them. I mean, here's another news flash when you choose to communicate with voice and not text in a crowded area, use your inside voice. People on the other end of the phone would prefer that anyway. I mean, they don't want you screaming into your phone. Talking to someone on a cell phone when they're using their outside voice is like getting a text or email in all caps.

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New technology should come with socially acceptable guidelines. As an example, if you're heavily involved with DraftKings, caesars, fanduel, betmgm, sports Illustrated Sportsbook and I wonder if that comes with a free calendar and you're out in public with friends or playing golf, put your freaking phone down and be present. I've yet to play golf with a voracious online gambler and watch them play their best golf. The only exception to the rule there was this past Sunday when I played golf with a character I call Mike D, or Paul Bunyan, as I referred to him in a past podcast podcast. He lips out a par putt on the 18th hole at Charleston National to score a 72, even par, and he was checking his games all day long when we were driving down the fairway. Well, we had long drives down the fairway because he's hitting his drives 280, 300 yards. So there was a long period of time. That's when he checked his phone, but he wasn't checking it on the greens. He wasn't checking it while I was driving the ball. I mean, he at least had some modicum of respect for the game. But man shooting his 72 and betting on FanDuel man, that's pretty good, right, that's multitasking. But I digress.

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This segment's not about the age of the smartphone in social situations. I mean, we all know what a table of millennials, gen Z or even Gen X looks like. After a short while, when all the drinks have been ordered and served, and maybe even the food, everybody at the table retreats to their safe place, their smartphones. Maybe it's to share the well-staged snaps of everybody having a marvelous time in this trendy restaurant, or maybe they're checking in with somebody they'd rather be with than the others at the table. Whatever the reason, the technology that allows us to connect as we see fit disconnects us from others around us. It's ironic, right? So, like I was saying, sometimes you have to use your inside voice when you're outside. And here's the clue If there are other people around you that can hear you use your inside voice if you're not talking to them.

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We can still have fun, no matter where we are, with the quiet voice we choose. And when we use both voices every day, it's easy to decide which one we use our indoor here and our outdoor there and we know they both are fun.

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Herschel, herschel, herschel, what are you doing? It's not uncommon for sports superstars, after their careers have ended, to find their way into politics. They've already created a household name and a brand that suggests high performance under pressure. Some have been heroes to fans who are loyal to their teams and to their wagers Kevin Johnson, mayor of Sacramento, formerly NBA star. Jack Kemp, new York congressman for 18 years after quarterbacking in the NFL. Alan Page, currently associate justice of the Minnesota Supreme Court, ex-nfl football star for the Vikings and the Bears. And there have been others Tom Osborne, jim Bunning, steve Largent, heath Shuler, jc Watts and outliers that defied logic like Jesse Ventura and, of course, arnold Schwarzenegger. And of course, arnold Schwarzenegger. They all use their name recognition to jettison their lives into work governing others.

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Herschel Walker is doing the same. He starts off in a small town in Georgia. He rises to become valedictorian of his graduating class, he helps his high school football team win the state championship, he helps University of Georgia win a national title, he wins the Heisman Trophy, and then afterwards he runs the ball for the Cowboys, vikings, eagles and even Giants. Before retiring, he's competed in track, basketball, taekwondo, bobsledding, ballet and mixed martial arts. He is the ultimate team and individual performer. I mean, who wouldn't want him to win the Senate race in the state of Georgia representing his Republican peeps? Well, I'm glad you asked, apart from the accusation from his ex-wife that he threatened her life several times, and his three children, who he's never talked about publicly who, by the way, say he's a hypocrite or his ex-girlfriend, who revealed that he gave her a $700 check and a get-well card after she alleges that he paid for her abortion. I mean, that would be a who-cares news feed if not for the fact that he's running on the Republican ticket and has vehemently opposed abortion rights under any circumstances, circumstances like rape, incest or even the mother's health. He has taken a page from the playbook from the great orange prevaricator and denies any and all accusations about the women who've accused him of being complicit in their pregnancy and abortion. Now, he couldn't deny paying $700, because this gal has a copy of the canceled trek to prove it. But his defense was that hey, he would say I am a philanthropist who gives money to a lot of people in need. Now I just wonder what Republican think tank came up with that answer.

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I don't think it matters. We live in a world of alleged fake news and have news stations and affiliates to speak to each side's base. I don't know if Herschel was a bad husband, bad father, bad boyfriend or a horrible business partner. What I do know is that he's a Trump endorsee and the Republican candidate for the Senator of Georgia. The people of Georgia will have to make the decision and, by the way, at a time when the University of Georgia Bulldogs are undefeated, I think that plays to his favor. This last story didn't even hit the front page of most news feeds, but I found it fascinating. Seven million miles from Earth, there was this asteroid that astronomers named Dimorphos that had a projected trajectory to have a collision course with Earth.

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I'm sorry, are we not being clear? We're trying to tell you that the entire planet is about to be destroyed. Okay, well, it's. You know just something we do around here. You know we just keep the bad news light. Right, it helps the medicine go down, and it's. You know just something we do around here. You know we just keep the bad news light.

Speaker 2:

Right, it helps the medicine go down. And speaking of medicine, tomorrow we've got a two-part.

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Well, maybe the destruction of the entire planet isn't supposed to be fun. Maybe it's supposed to be terrifying and unsettling.

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So Dimorphos is kind of like a moon it's orbiting around another asteroid called didymos. All right, tell me when your eyes start to water over. Nasa sent an unmanned spacecraft as part of a mission they call the dart mission. They sent it 7 million miles from Earth to collide with this asteroid. The spacecraft was moving at 14,000 miles per hour when it collided with Dimorphos, changing its trajectory enough to miss the Earth's atmosphere in the future. This was a watershed moment for planetary defense and humanity. It was like the movie Armageddon, but NASA didn't need to leave Bruce Willis on the asteroid to set off a nuclear bomb. There have been devastating asteroid strikes in Earth's history, including the impact from a six mile wide space rock that played a role in the extinction of the dinosaurs more than 65 million years ago. I think it's just incredible that our scientists were able to identify the impending impact of the asteroid using the Hubble and James Webb space telescopes and then develop a plan to send a rocket directly in its path to explode and change its orbit Control to Major Tom.

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Take your protein pills and put your helmet on.

Speaker 1:

I mean, imagine if the dinosaurs had this technology. But like I've always said, dinosaurs are stupid and people are smart.

Speaker 2:

What was I just saying about Herschel Walker? Now it's time to leave the capsule.

Speaker 1:

You've been listening to an episode of Just Tales. I'm your host, Rich Easton, telling tales from beautiful Charleston, South Carolina. Talk to you soon. We'll see you next time.