Research has shown that playing golf has demonstrable benefits for people. Whether it be improved quality of life, increased life expectancy, or improved mental health, golf has been a significant catalyst for people in realizing these benefits. In today's episode, special guest host Cara Erdheim Kilgallen explores the topic of "Health, Wellness, and Golf" with Liesbeth Pauwels.
For close to a decade, Liesbeth has been at the front of this movement that seeks to enrichen the lives of people through golf. Combining her golf background with her educational background in Kinesiology (University of British Columbia), Liesbeth has founded LP Golf Performance, working with recreational players, and aspiring elite players teaching body movement, yoga, nutrition, and more.
Cara Erdheim Kilgallen is a tenured professor of English at Sacred Heart University in Fairfield, Connecticut with a passion for golf and the nourishment that the sport provides whether it be mental, physical, or spiritual. She is deeply interested in the democratization of golf as a sport for the masses. She also is featured contributor with the World of Golf.
Research has shown that playing golf has demonstrable benefits for people. Whether it be improved quality of life, increased life expectancy, or improved mental health, golf has been a significant catalyst for people in realizing these benefits. In today's episode, special guest host Cara Erdheim Kilgallen explores the topic of "Health, Wellness, and Golf" with Liesbeth Pauwels.
For close to a decade, Liesbeth has been at the front of this movement that seeks to enrichen the lives of people through golf. Combining her golf background with her educational background in Kinesiology (University of British Columbia), Liesbeth has founded LP Golf Performance, working with recreational players, and aspiring elite players teaching body movement, yoga, nutrition, and more.
Cara Erdheim Kilgallen is a tenured professor of English at Sacred Heart University in Fairfield, Connecticut with a passion for golf and the nourishment that the sport provides whether it be mental, physical, or spiritual. She is deeply interested in the democratization of golf as a sport for the masses. She also is featured contributor with the World of Golf.
Hello, and good afternoon. Welcome to our show. We're talking golf. My name is Douglas Maida, and I'm the host of this show. Now today we're going to have a show that focuses on health, wellness and golf. Golf is one of those few sports in life where you can play it for a lifetime. Whether you pick it up as a youngster, or carry through into your earlier adult years youth years, are right into your retirement years. It truly is a game that can facilitate all sorts of players of different ages and different skills. In today's episode, we're going to have a special guest host. Her name is Cara Kilgallen and she's a professor at Sacred Heart University in Connecticut. She is going to be speaking with a special guest Liesbeth Pauwels from LP Golf Performance. Now many of you will recognize Liesbeth from having been a frequent guest on our show. Over the last three seasons. Both Liesbeth and Cara are very passionate about golf, health and wellness. Now, if you've listened to this program over the past couple of years, you'll know that Liesbeth is a very strong proponent and advocate of all things health, wellness and golf. Liesbeth is one of them for most leading edge proponents for this type of approach to golf. Her holistic methods have formed the basis of several of her programs that she shares and works with, with her international students and her professional students in Holland and elsewhere. Now before we get to this, we'd like to take a short break so we can get to some short messages before we come back and you get introduced to our special guest host Cara Kilgallen. So thank you for joining us, and please stay with us.
Cara Erdheim Kilgallen:Good morning. Good afternoon. My name is Cara Erdheim Kilgallen and I am an English professor at Sacred Heart University in Fairfield, Connecticut. I'm from New York City which is where I am currently and I am just really really thrilled to be here today. I am a longtime recreational golfer and passionate golfer golf enthusiast and so we are here today with Liesbeth Pauwels Who has created the LP Golf Performance. I'm and she's going to talk to us today about golf and wellness. Today is the current day we It's a time when we're all, I think searching for some sort of physical, mental, spiritual, emotional wellness in many areas of our lives. And many of us find it on the golf course. And I think that Liesbeth today will tell us a little bit about what she does. And I just wanted to introduce her and she's going to enlighten us on health, wellness, and the golfing adventure. So, Liesbeth, thank you. We're thrilled to have you.
Liesbeth Pauwels:Well, thank you for having me on the show once again.
Cara Erdheim Kilgallen:Absolutely. Absolutely. Before I launch into my questions, I just wanted to give a little bit more background on Liesbeth is a graduate of the University of British Columbia, with a degree in kinesiology. So she brings to the table a very rich science background, as well as a love and a passion for the game of golf. She is based in Amsterdam, she works extensively with the National Golf Federation. And she works closely in terms of coaching with aspiring and adult aspiring golfers, professional golfers and adult recreational players as well. So Liesbeth has a lot to offer. And I just wanted to maybe begin with a question. And is there anything least but before I launch into my question that you want to just add about your your background?
Liesbeth Pauwels:Oh, no, this is, this was perfect. Yeah, this was summarized it really, really well. Because there's, I mean, there's a ton a ton more going on. But I think this was such a great summary, I couldn't have done it myself. So
Cara Erdheim Kilgallen:Well, you know, it's easy, you have so much wonderful material out there. And I just I loved learning about all that you do. And you know that the wonderful work that you do with golfers, you know, not only in terms of the technical side of the game, but also the the spiritual and the and the mental side of the game too. So really, really terrific. So my first question is, as . .. I'm a professor, an English professor, so I'm a professor of literature. And I'm also a writer, interested in wellness and golf and overall health. So I'd like to begin our conversation with some of your own words of wisdom, which, which is a quote I found by you. And that is, "the end goal of everything that I do is to help golfers to a better health and vitality." So how does this philosophy inform and inspire your work as a golf movement specialist and a performance coach,
Liesbeth Pauwels:it's it really boils down to kind of my belief of helping people to move better and increase their movement capacity and live healthier that this will inevitably help them to play better goals for longer and with greater joy and fulfillment. And, yeah, so kind of, although my, my work is very niched, it's very specific, it really enables anyone who kind of has the benefit of maybe doing my method, or even the fitness or yoga in general or tailored towards schools, to enjoy the vitality and well being way beyond the golf course, and or within the golf performance parameters. And in the end, my mission is a strong, healthy golf community to be able to create that, to support that and to grow that and I'm also about performance, but without health, there's no performance. There's no durability in performance, and there's definitely no high performance. So that's the fundament, really.
Cara Erdheim Kilgallen:Wow. And it seems like you really take a holistic approach to health, which is what we're seeing a lot more I know, at least in the in the US with with our health care, which, you know, certainly certainly needs a lot of work, you know, just everywhere. I mean, it's it's unfortunate to see so many unwell people out there, but I think that there's a move at least to try in the US to create more of a holistic approach to health, thinking not just about health in certain compartments, but and not just as physical but also as emotional, spiritual, psychological, and I think that's a that's a positive move. So it seems like you take a holistic approach to health and golf as well.
Liesbeth Pauwels:Definitely, my method is very holistic.
Cara Erdheim Kilgallen:Wonderful, wonderful. Thank you. Thank you. And golf is so mental. you know, I play often with my husband who took up the game I've been playing since I was like about 10. But my husband took it up at 40. And he was an athlete, and I don't think he realized, you know, other sports are mental, but not in quite the same way that golf is. So that leads me into my nexKBong × t question, which has to do with the mind body connection, and also perhaps the spirit or the soul or call it what you like a heart? So what extent do you see golf as a game that combines not only the physical and mental but also potentially, the spiritual or if someone may not, you know, be spiritual, perhaps the emotional, right? Getting to that sort of deeper beyond the mind. So I'm thinking here about the golf yoga retreat that you've created and founded.
Liesbeth Pauwels:Spirituality really, for me doesn't evolve around, kind of sitting on the cushion all day long, or that being more spiritual than doing the dishes. And as far as I'm concerned, this is spiritual, like you said, well, however you want to call it in a way that resonates with you. It's, it's to me about are you being identified by your thoughts? Or are you observing them? Kind of, are you identified by your behavior? Or are you observing it? are you reacting? Or are you acting? And are you identified? Or maybe ruled by your emotions? Or are you also the observer? Hmm. And, in my opinion, golf is an excellent way to practice all of this, because we are continually challenged in these in these ways.
Cara Erdheim Kilgallen:Absolutely. Absolutely. And to kind of follow up on that question, to what extent I mean, you are a student of science. And, you know, you have an expertise in Kinesiology. So I'm sort of curious to what extent do you combine like Western practices with Eastern? Because I'm thinking of the science background on the one hand, but also the yoga on the other?
Liesbeth Pauwels:Um, yeah, I kind of follow my intuition in that. I don't, for me, there's, there's no, like, it's not either or, like, it's both. And depending on the subject, or on the matter that we're talking. I'm, I'm then more lean towards finding the resources from the science or more from kind of the Eastern sides. But definitely Eastern philosophy inspires me and really, personally. brings me a lot of hope and faith and inspiration. Yeah.
Cara Erdheim Kilgallen:Wonderful. Wonderful. Thank you. Thank you so much. So I guess my third question, which is a little bit of connection to to the previous one, and this is how does your academic math background and kinesiology inform your program on movement and golf?
Liesbeth Pauwels:Um, well, really, what's actually what's been the most valuable to kind of my program is the fact that I was a student at the University of British Columbia and that I was there and enjoyed this lifetime experience as an international student, which enabled me to create the program I the programs I can create to this day and to be the coach that I am today. And, yeah, I learned the fundamentals of the sports physiology, anatomy, sociology, and the psychology and these are all absolutely fundamental like. However, my specialization really stems from the TPI, that's the Titleist Performance Institute. And I think that my expertise really got elevated from working with tons and tons of golfers from all ages and all levels and yeah, I, I was fortunate to, to already assisting the varsity golf themes while I was at the studying at UBC. And I loved it so much that I was also mentored by Jason Glass. Who was the head coach for the strength and conditioning teams? And yeah, so it's it's really that whole experience and kind of, indeed, the fundamentals and the science knowledge that helps me to create, really, yeah, the programs that I have right now, and but I think the really, the part of being becoming a golf movement expert only began after my degree. That's, I think we're, we're begins, right, that's where you actually have to go out and seek out the opportunities for yourself and no one's going to hand that to you like both in finding out the certifications that match your goals and that match your Yeah, what you what you like to do as well, what you enjoy doing. So for me, that was TPI, and then yoga, and then some additional, more specialized, like the FMS and the SuperSpeed. But yeah, I kinda, I kind of went all in in there. Also, in the experience of coaching, golfers like, there were days that I would wake up at 5am start coaching at seven until nine, and then I was driving around the whole country, to either coach or give presentation or clinics and even to, you know, try to sell my classes to new courses or new clubs. And through that, I actually go to work with so many golfers and learn more about their problems, their what they're longing for their, their common challenges, and I think I have benefit. That was like, Yeah, another level to add it to, to how I structure and inform my programs to these days.
Cara Erdheim Kilgallen:Wonderful. I'm already thinking of the wheels are turning, because I'm, as I said, I'm a professor at Sacred Heart University in Fairfield, Connecticut, but we have, we have a golf course. And we have a growing sort of Golf Management Program. So my wheels are turning, I'm thinking, collaboration connections, I'm always I'd love it, we'd be We would be honored. So we can we can chat. But um,
Liesbeth Pauwels:yeah, I think I also want to add, because it's, this is something that I'm very passionate about, like, you know, for maybe aspiring coaches as well, or anyone who ever wants to achieve a goal in life and has a big dream, like I have, and like I had, it's, you know, you have to go out there. The, in terms of coaching, like people won't come to you for the certifications, or, I mean, they're necessary, but the people will reach out to you, because they want to feel a connection. And I think also, so deliberately working on yourself is really important as a coach, and that's where I get a lot of value. Coming back to your earlier question. From the kind of more of the eastern side, I get a lot. Yeah, I do a lot of work in that for myself, because my value is to always kind of practice what I preach. And if I asked my students to invest in themselves, or to be coachable, or to look in the mirror, or to go outside their comfort zones, or even to rest and recover and take a break, that's, you know, exactly what I'm also asking of myself, and as a coach, I think it's a very necessary aspect that you should have, because, yeah, if you do the work yourself, it enables you to experience it. But inevitably, you also help your students with it, because yeah, you're you're I think you're also set an example then without saying it, that you're doing it, you know?
Cara Erdheim Kilgallen:Absolutely. And you are a truly authentic role model. I think, you know, that these days, we hear a lot about role models, and it's important to develop role models and find them by How to find authentic ones is is tougher. So you know, I can already see the authenticity coming out, which is, which is lovely. Could you speak a little bit to your background as a golfer? Just just to kind of let the audience know a little bit about, you know, there? You know, some may be aware, but but we would love to hear about your, your kind of past and current role was a golfer?
Liesbeth Pauwels:Absolutely. Well, let me begin my, the current state of my golf game, it's, it's pretty non existent. Because, yeah, the matter of the fact is that I'm out on the course quite often, but I enjoy coaching way more than maybe playing at this moment in time. And that's just really where all my focus goes. But yeah, I tried to play now I would, I would say maybe three times a year. That's like, hardly anything, but every time I play, I'm like, Oh, I am gonna, you know, I'm now I'm gonna practice and I'm really gonna go again and set this up in my calendar, and I'm not going to miss it. But then, you know, I'm also very ambitious and then work comes and not a year passes. And, yeah, so that's the state of my current game. I'd like to mention that the state of my future game, hopefully, we'll be looking much more existent. And I'll be able to, yeah, play more often. It's really one of the long term goals that I have for me to be able to, yeah, enjoy playing rounds myself again. Because when I, you know, when I'm out on the course I can, I'm like, literally, they're in the role of a coach. And it's, I find it challenging to switch them to be a player. But that's kind of what I say to my players as well, when I'm out there with them. I'm not playing but I'm there as a coach. And if I play then, I always mentioned look, I'm here, I'm not here as a coach, I'm just a player. Because to me, these are two Yeah, these roles, I can't seem to merge, not just Yes. So yeah. And then in the past, I, you know, took up the game. When I was around 13. I, I was competitive in other sports, and I thought Golf was very boring. And it wasn't for me until my dad really made me go to take lessons. And luckily, my coach at the time, he was from Iceland, and he was this really tall. Yeah, big guy who had this long blonde hair was like a Viking looking, got high, really, really tall. And the way he approached the game at that time was quite, you know, unique in a way that he also was already doing strength and conditioning exercises, he was looking into nutrition and he was very into the mindset of the game. And for me, that kind of resonated, not kind of it resonated a lot and and then from there I Yeah, got very passionate about training and training and training until I got injured realizing now that I you know, didn't train the right way and that's also kind of where my drive stems from, from my early days of being injured of not really good taking good care of my body doing too much too soon. Not having the good practices in place and golf movement routines there to help me support to the dream that I had at that time to be LPGA player. So yeah, and then I for me, organically. My my journey organically shifted from playing to coaching that was a very natural transition. And yeah, I was Yeah,
Cara Erdheim Kilgallen:Wonderful. It's so interesting what you say about the transition, you know, the moving back and forth between between coach and player but I'm sure that if you were to go out and play with me, I would be wowed by your by your innate expertise and ability to because my husband and I joke that we we play all the time and we don't see To get any better but, but maybe it's because we're not working with you so. So it's amazing when you do play with someone who we're always, you know, just wowed when we play with someone who has a past as a competitive golfer and how it's just in them, you know? So I'm, I'm sure, you know, it's wonderful that you have the goal of getting it getting back out there a lot and having that time to do so. So I guess you did mention diet nutrition in that last answer and, and sort of exercise and so I'm wondering if you could speak a little bit to the importance of healthy eating, for golfers, and to what extent at all do you work with or collaborate in the work that you do with dietitians, nutritionists, exercise specialists, that kind of thing.
Liesbeth Pauwels:So nutrition, just like strength and conditioning is an aspect of the performance that is so overlooked by so many golfers. Golfers just really tend to focus on everything other than their diet and their strength and conditioning to improve their performance. Like they can easily invest in gadgets and new clubs and new gear. And while that's all going to help, there's really a disconnect between the nutrition and that also applies to strengthen conditioning and the impact that it has on the course. So the proper eating habits really help improve energy, they enhance focus and concentration, they help produce pain and inflammation, and it helps for the recovery time and increases. Yeah, I mean, it can help increase some strength and power as well. Because to eat well, is to play well. And that's also how I feel about movement. How to move well is to play well. Right?
Cara Erdheim Kilgallen:Absolutely. And do you think that thinking has changed? It's obviously hard to generalize, but just in terms of how the game has evolved, you know, in the last really like 20 years, with just more of a focus on fitness and a sort of awareness about nutrition and diet and just overall health.
Liesbeth Pauwels:It definitely has just shifted, but we're not there yet.
Cara Erdheim Kilgallen:Right. Right. So that's interesting. Interesting.
Liesbeth Pauwels:Yeah, yeah, we've still got a long, long way to go. And but I mean, I, I have noticed this this shift as well. I mean, we all have, and it's out there at the professionals, you know, you can't go out and compete any longer at the highest level, if you're not taking really good care of your nutrition and your strength and conditioning, because it's all there in the the parameters, you know, and the speed and the stamina that the players need to have on the PGA and LPGA level is really high. And there it's it's that the transition that shift there, I think it's very present already. And everyone's very aware and are already very active. But on the kind of recreational and more. Yeah, the other levels of professional goals and in the teaching realm of goals there. There's still such a huge opportunity. Absolutely take Yeah, absolutely. Oh, well.
Cara Erdheim Kilgallen:Well, thank you. We're going to this is so invigorating, I don't want to stop but we are going to take a very short break and we will be back with more from Liesbeth Pauwels. Welcome back, everyone. We are here with Liesbeth Pauwels, the founder and creator of LP golf performance, and we were just talking a little bit about lead slips, expertise as golfer as coach her the extensive, wonderful work that she does with amateurs, with LPGA, LPGA players, as well as professionals. And so I wanted to transition and shift gears a little bit to talk about the pandemic, which I know is still on the minds of so many and in our worlds. And so it's interesting to me how golf really thrived under COVID-19. Personally, it saved my husband and and me from going nuts in our house, we were able to just, you know, in between zoom meetings, sneak out sometimes while zoom meetings were going on, we snuck out onto the course. And at the same time, it was it's been interesting to me to see like a lot of virtual exercise programs really grow like peloton, which which did really well under lockdown, and I think continues to do to do okay, so Liesbeth what made your program beneficial to players during COVID-19? And how has LP Golf Performance enabled amateur athletes to thrive today?
Liesbeth Pauwels:Well, first of all, I love how much the game has grown since 2020. And like I have noticed that people are now more eager than ever to begin their own golf yoga or golf fitness journey or training. And yeah, this makes me very happy and super excited for the future. Because like we've mentioned before, there is a shift. But we're still a long way to go. And yeah, so I'm really excited for that. And yeah, I'm also very grateful to be able to to kind of share all of these movement practices and the expertise. And so since 2020, maybe a little bit of backstory, I was able to transition my full coaching business into both online training plans and remote coaching. And with remote coaching, it really refers to the real time private coaching, but done online. So via zoom. And it this way has actually shown that it's much easier to commit to when you're not bound to a location. And I think I was able to make this transition because I felt confident from the decade of experience of being on the floor and being in the trenches as a coach from assisting so many TPI levels and courses and doing 1000s of assessments. And I didn't realize that until I first started doing zoom sessions. Yeah, I didn't realize that I actually had a very, I had developed an important skill that I'm able to observe and define the situation and the movement on camera and was able to communicate that in a super effective way in a way that I would also do in real life. So to me in the way that I was able to bring out my energy because I think to me that's very important. And the way that I felt it in a way that my students felt that it was yeah, it was so close to that it within being realized and yeah, I could you know, I think I then only realize that my work ethic from working really, really hard over all the years kind of finally paid off. But yeah, so from the perspective of my students, we actually never stopped training and improving our physical and mental states throughout 2020 and 21. And I think that on its own, is already an accomplishment, like to be able to provide the structure and the systems and the support that enables us to stay committed, committed, like no matter what the circumstances are, that's so crucial. And I think many people think, or maybe believe that making it to the higher and to the elite levels of the sport, you have to have talent, and you need to have the latest exercises and the best equipment. But in fact, it's really more about consistency. And within my program, which is remote, it gives my students the opportunity to also receive continuous support and mentoring wherever they are in the world. So whether they're, you know, on tournaments, or at home, and we're pretty much in constant communication, and I'm making sure, and that enables me to observe and to monitor. And, yeah, make sure we're getting ahead of any obstacles that may occur, or the challenges that are there. We have check ins that are required, so I can evaluate and deliver my personal feedback. So progress is just monitored in a way that enables them to continue even in between the Zoom sessions. And I think it's really important, rather than just having a session and then not seeing each other again, for the next, you know, whatever week or two or three weeks, and then another session. And I think that's one of the main differences that I have in my program as to kind of pre lockdown situation is that I, I would touch base and there would be communication, but now, yeah, I have optimized everything, and there is sheets that they can fill out. So their progress is tracked as well. And, yeah, I think it's, it's, you know, for anyone thinking that you need to have all the latest gear, it's hopefully maybe a little bit of hope and motivation that, you know, it's it's about not mastering the fundamentals about being consistent with them about having a support team, and not rushing any of that progress. And, you know, when it comes to training, it's all about quality over quantity and consistency over intensity. And it's, it's, you know, common common, I would say maybe, challenge when golfers are very excited in the beginning to get started, they come out the gates really intense, but then they don't stay consistent. So you know, that's, I think the whole message message here is consistency and support that understands and enables a safe space for you to grow and flourish.
Cara Erdheim Kilgallen:Liesbeth this is wonderful. And I'm sort of thinking about something I write quite a bit about in the World of Golf, my World of Golf blog, but also on my own is making sports like golf more accessible to, you know, a wider variety of people and so I'm sort of thinking now about how that's exactly what you're doing, you know, you are meeting people where they're at, you know, you are using sort of the realities of our world today, which is increasingly digital to, to not only maintain, but it's at times enrich the coaching experience. So I'm thinking of those golfers for example, who can't get to a course or can't pick up a club for a while and you know, they can continue with the momentum and the joy of the game and the flourishing of the game by by working with you and by thriving through your program. So, So you really are meeting golfers where they're at. You're fostering wellness and also making the game more accessible to to wider variety of people. So that's that's wonderful. And I . . .
Liesbeth Pauwels:Yeah, because I want to add like I didn't mention this, but yeah, I launched two Full Body holistic movement plans, and once called Fundamental Routines, and my other second plan is called Full Body Freedom. And yeah, these are the plans that are really on demand available anywhere, anytime. And it's really I put my heart and my soul into it for so that people can really not just get the exercises that are helpful, but really get the experience and continue to. Yeah, go back to the movement and to the, to the to these classes again and again and help them to stay injury free. And in you know, get get, get more stability, get more mobility. And yeah, so these are my two plans that were launched during this whole this whole time.
Cara Erdheim Kilgallen:Wow, wow, phenomenal. And I guess this brings us I mean, I could stay here all day, but I know we will have to, we will have to sadly close at some point. But I This brings me to my final question. So I began with a quotation. So I have to conclude with one as an English professor and a writer. In my writing on wellness, I've incorporated some words of wisdom from Greg Norman, quote, "happiness is a long walk with a putter" end quote, although I'm going to revise that just a little bit, because the way I was putting me the other day, it was not a happy scene, but that's okay. Still, happiness is a long walk with a putter. So how important is joy to the game? And how does your program and philosophy help players to discover and or sustain it?
Liesbeth Pauwels:It's a very beautiful question. Also, you know, let me let me start by saying joy is so important, you know, happiness, and joy, you know, whatever your motivation is, I hope that it comes from that place, if it comes from, or it stems from fear, or having to do something, you will never sustain doing it, or you will never, you know, it'll be more challenging to fully get the benefit of what the game has to offer. I like to think with with joy, also, in the same way as passion and engagement and courage and inspiration and exhilaration. And these are all, you know, states that are available to all of us. And they're they're helping not only for us to have a happy mood or to feel good, but they also influence our body. And that's where I, you know, have worked a lot on on that body mind connection, in the way that we can influence the body by how we're thinking, or how we're feeling. But also the other way around, we can start to feel differently and therefore start to think differently. And this this, like, one of the ways that I would work on this for with one of my players would be, for example, to start by taking, and anyone can do this really, to take a few breaths, and then really focusing on those long exhales before each shot. Really long exhales, full exhales before you release that takeaway. And when you do that takeaway, see if you can tap into a sense of joy. Or maybe at the end of your swing, however, the outcome is, feel that sense of joy. I also would like to add this beautiful exercise was when you're out on the course many golfers were tempted to look at our good shots and then feel happy and then feel prior and feel excited. Because yeah, I mean, we worked a ton for it. And now it's finally going in the hole or we finally get that nice clean shot and it feels all good. And then we're happy and smiling and but the practice then again is can you also feel the appreciation whenever the result isn't as you wanted it or hoped for it. And if you can do that, if you can practice that, I think you will really start to unlock and enable more of that joy into your game and into your journey.
Cara Erdheim Kilgallen:That is just beautiful. I mean, I'm just, I'm thinking of some family members and friends who could have used and myself could have used some wisdom the other day when we were, you know, throwing our clubs, out of frustration, but, but having a sense of humor is so important as well. So we do have to close but before we do Liesbeth. Liesbeth is accepting the LP Golf Performance is accepting applications. So if you could just tell us a little bit about where to find you, and so that our listeners can know because we've been so enlightened today.
Liesbeth Pauwels:Yeah, well, I hope this has been valuable for, for anyone who's listened. And yeah, you can always hop on to my Instagram, go over to my Instagram, and anyone is welcome to always send me a DM if you have any questions, or if anything resonated or if something didn't resonate. I am all ears in any case, but that's at LP.golf.performance. So that's my instagram handle. And my website is just www.lpgolfperformance.nl. That's really the most easiest and simplest way that that you can, can find a ton a ton of the information out there and some of the blogs and articles that I wrote, and yeah, maybe take take on this kind of mid season opportunity to elevate your game and start creating your future reality now with me together as your coach and not wait until the season's done or until Yeah, you you run out of your time or you run out of questions. And yeah, if anyone, if anything of this resonated and yeah, please reach out. And I'm more than happy to connect and look forward to to hearing from anyone.
Cara Erdheim Kilgallen:Thank you, Lisa. It's been an honor, a pleasure and a joy. And we hope that you can kind of discover some of the joy in your game by working with Lizbeth Powell. So thank you so much and have a wonderful afternoon, everyone. Have a great evening. Take care. Bye.
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