Discover what it takes to be a successful hip-hop artist with our talented guest, Brecreation, who shares his journey from finding his passion in music at a young age to reinventing himself as an artist in college. In this candid conversation, we explore the importance of confidence, battling challenges in the industry, and the significance of entertaining, content-driven music. Brecreation also lets us in on his unique production process and experiences collaborating with other artists.
Don't miss this insightful and inspiring conversation as Brecreation reveals his plans to drop new music and shoot a video in New York City. Learn how he's been able to build connections and make a name for himself through passion and dedication, and find inspiration from artists devoted to their work. Join us for this exciting episode as we explore the world of hip-hop and the journey of becoming a successful artist with Brecreation!
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Discover what it takes to be a successful hip-hop artist with our talented guest, Brecreation, who shares his journey from finding his passion in music at a young age to reinventing himself as an artist in college. In this candid conversation, we explore the importance of confidence, battling challenges in the industry, and the significance of entertaining, content-driven music. Brecreation also lets us in on his unique production process and experiences collaborating with other artists.
Don't miss this insightful and inspiring conversation as Brecreation reveals his plans to drop new music and shoot a video in New York City. Learn how he's been able to build connections and make a name for himself through passion and dedication, and find inspiration from artists devoted to their work. Join us for this exciting episode as we explore the world of hip-hop and the journey of becoming a successful artist with Brecreation!
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Welcome back to a never episode of the vibes podcast. Man, listen, listen. This man reached out to me and I said I like everything about it, but we got a special, special person right back in the studio with us. I'm going to go ahead and go into your thing.
Speaker 2:Y'all already know it's Brex. The high headed areas is back in the building and we got the man himself.
Speaker 1:man, go, do your thing.
Speaker 3:What's up, baby, it's your boy. Brex creation vibes podcast man. Thanks for having me. Yes, it's exciting.
Speaker 1:Deep inside the boonies Man tell people who you are. Your style is different.
Speaker 3:What's up guys? I'm a 26 year old hip hop artist. My name is Brex. Go by the name Brex creation. Like you said, man, my style is different. I got stuff all over the board, but just hip hop. I love hip hop and anything that is a stem from hip hop. We could take it in any direction. Where are you from? I'm from Montgomery County, gaithersburg.
Speaker 1:OK.
Speaker 3:Same same places like logic. Similar places like Wale. I went to the same high school as Wale.
Speaker 1:What made you jump into this hip hop thing?
Speaker 3:Like I said, man, I fell in love with hip hop from a young age and like I just loved it so much, When I started getting older I started writing, kind of just started with beats I liked on YouTube And like I started.
Speaker 3:I started just like finding a sound and finding like an excitement. It was just drawing me to it. I found myself like wanting to keep coming back to it And before you knew it, before I know it, I was like man, I want to be a hip hop artist and just attack it. I was probably like seven years ago, eight years ago I haven't looked back, man, I love it.
Speaker 1:Was your friends and family in it or was like come on bro.
Speaker 3:No, so I didn't really tell the world until I was good enough that it wasn't like embarrassing.
Speaker 3:Most people go through that phase where they're stuck The homies got to tell you like, bro, this is not the one, it's not getting us out of anywhere. But I waited a little bit and just kind of refined my skills to the point where then when I came out, nobody knew I had was nobody had no idea these skills. I was like let me show you something. And then all of a sudden it's like whoa, what was that? So parents not super supportive at first, because you know I'm talking about profane things and expressing myself And I think my parents had a different path for me in mind. But they're supportive now. They like it, they respect it.
Speaker 1:They see, is actually something coming from it Exactly.
Speaker 3:And they just like. They like that I'm doing what I love. You know it's hard to argue with that.
Speaker 1:You said you went to Towson. So even when you were going to Towson, you you were still home.
Speaker 3:So when I got to Towson I was like kind of when I reinvented myself as an artist. That's when I was like I'm going hard on music. I don't want to be an artist.
Speaker 3:I'm going to get there with no connections and just see who I can find. Like I started reaching out to artists, i started reaching out to producers and everything, just like hitting up everybody that was around me, like yo, you trying to work, let's get some work. Let me hear your stuff, what you want to do, what are your goals. I just like came in with that mindset of like let's do something, let's let's connect with the right people.
Speaker 1:It was it from people that want to be a rapper. Is it tough starting out Like how, how does an achievement even get noticed? to get your beats right?
Speaker 3:I mean I mean just like having that first song that is a good song and then you're confident to share it with the world and perform it, and like that's tough man. I mean I think it takes most people at least a few years to get to that spot. I can look back at like my earlier videos, look at my stage presence. I look at like the delivery of some of it and I'm like it's came a long way, which is good. Like we want that progression. But yeah, i mean like first things first, you just got to have a little bit of a sound, you got to be confident in it. You got to have an entertaining aspect of it too. Like I know a lot of artists that are code MCs but like they're boring. You know what I'm saying. Like, especially in today's like content driven world, you got to be exciting, you got to be entertaining too.
Speaker 1:So that's a big one to see.
Speaker 3:That's a big part of it too, i think, when you produce too right. Yeah, absolutely Yeah. I mean I do. I do a lot of. I work with a lot of producers, I do my own engineers, I do all my own recording and mixing.
Speaker 1:So you pretty much can run your whole ship by yourself.
Speaker 3:I used to do all my own production as well, But I started linking up with some people that were just dope And I'm just like yo, I'd rather like, I'd rather just work with people that can inspire the best like songs out of me as a songwriter. So I do some of my own production, but nowadays really it's like linking up with other people that are on the production game, kind of taking what they have. Sometimes I make tweaks, Sometimes I just use a straight up and, yeah, write to it, record it, mix it And I put out the content. Like you know, we do all our videos the boonies video, all that stuff is done in house.
Speaker 3:I mean it's it's it's tough to do it all. So we don't do everything ourselves, but we try to do everything that we can.
Speaker 1:So when you was a hard, given up that creative control though.
Speaker 3:So I gave up creative control to like a creative director.
Speaker 3:So, not because he, like he had the vision. You know what I'm saying. Like he came to me with the vision and applied my concept of a song into a visual concept And I was like, yo, this is it, let's do it. So it's tough giving up creative control when it's a situation where, like it's your baby and you're giving up to someone that you're like not confident, and if it's someone on your team who's adding to the vision and they're bringing stuff to the table, it's not difficult at all. That's what you want to get.
Speaker 1:You trust the person.
Speaker 3:It's like I can only do so much in terms of the music And like, at the end of the day, you need a team who can all bring stuff to the table. So, like I trust the people that I, that I, have on my team, you're not on my team unless I trust you. So there it is. Do you travel all the time? So I'm on tour. I tour with this, with a dance company named Monsters Oh God, they're DJ and their artists, which is it's super dope Man. I really just came off a tour where I was performing in every city for thousands of people. It was incredible. So, like, definitely stepping into some, some goals that I set for myself. I'm home for the summer now I'm off traveling for at least a little bit, but yeah, i go through like 20, 25 cities a year.
Speaker 1:Do you feel like the rap game mainstream is ready for you, because I told them to talk to you? You know, white rapper, do you feel like your only competition? Of course you want to be, you know, are you in? Is that your lyrical bar there? Are you, jack Harlow?
Speaker 3:Jack Harlow. Yeah, i think the best thing I can do is avoid comparisons and like trying to follow someone else's path, like to be honest with you all of my inspiration artists, wise like very little of it comes from white rappers And that's just is what it is. Not that I try to make it one way or not, but like I try to just go with what I like, what I love, and like. It's easy to get caught up in those comparisons, especially when other people put them on, you know you see me and it's like, oh, Jack Harlow, Russ.
Speaker 3:Like maybe compare me to people I don't even think I sound like, But it's just like I understand it. It is what it is. But I think the best thing I can do is just really try to follow my own lane and like let let what excites me and like let the energy about it be what drives it, Versus like me trying to put myself in positions or trying to be like somebody else.
Speaker 1:You stick to individuality.
Speaker 3:Absolutely. Then I got like blue handshift bro. Come on though.
Speaker 1:That's what I, when you first reached out, i said now he's even going to be really good, or dog? So I went through your videos and I'm like the theme that I found was every video is different, like you can hit different marks, and I was like, OK, it's not always hip hop, you can swing it and do something else.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, that's only loners.
Speaker 1:I did.
Speaker 3:There you go. I like it. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, and that's something that, like my favorite artists, my favorite artist is Kendrick Lamar, oh God, and one piece that I really, really respect about him and I've always it's always got me excited is he's always had a little bit of unpredictability to him, like you. Never, kendrick is I mean, maybe less unpredictable than others, but you don't know what you're going to get, and that keeps you on your toes. Versus, like Drake, we love Drake.
Speaker 1:You know what?
Speaker 3:you're going to get for the most part And that's OK. But I always really like respected It kept me on my toes. So much of like I need to hear that new drop from some of those people that are unpredictable. And I think when I started experimenting with my sound as an artist and a songwriter, like I didn't box myself in. I started taking it different places And I was like, as long as it sounds good, as long as I can do it, i'll do it.
Speaker 3:I don't ever want to force something and just try to make different records, to make them, and it's like all right, bro, just stick to one thing. But I started experimenting and like doing some kind of dance hall stuff, some R&B stuff, some like house, and I was like, whoa, i can actually fit in these different pockets when it feels right. I love it. I love being unpredictable, i love stepping into different, different places. I started the thing with like, as long as it stems from hip hop, like as long as it kind of comes from that place of what I fell in love with, then it can go in a whole bunch of different directions.
Speaker 1:Do you feel like you're going to do what was his name, post Malone, when he jumped on the hip hop wave and made these hip hop songs that were great And then eventually he just jumped out and did something completely else. You feel like, once you get to that level of stardom, that you be like OK, well, like, i think.
Speaker 3:I'm too. It's a good question. I think I'm too good of a rapper to do like. I think it'd be a disservice to myself as a lyricist to just like stop doing it. I mean, of course, post Malone found his formula right And he went with it And like there will be a time when I find the formula that's like really the one And I can just utilize it. But like goes back to what I just said before man, it excites me to be unpredictable. It excites me to bring these things to the table. Like I start feeling boxed in and like I get writer's block when I have to, when it has to stay in a certain box, so when, like, the world is my oyster, that's when you need that freedom of it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, And just like you know, it's just a little bit. Of people expect something And when you hit them with something that they don't expect, it's refreshing. You know what?
Speaker 1:I'm saying It is.
Speaker 3:It's cool. It's like people are also. there's so many people doing the same thing, so you still have to grow with it. I go with. I go with the feeling of it, of like if this is popular now, OK, But like it could be something totally different next month, you know would you let somebody write your raps?
Speaker 3:Probably not. I mean, I would let somebody. I think there's like a certain level of when it comes to rapping. you're rapping verses is personal, is storytelling, It's like it comes from you. I don't think I could ever let somebody else write that for me. Hooks, bridges, little melodic things, Sure, as long as it resonates, you know, as long as it fits with with what I got going on, sure. But when it comes to like, there's something about verses where it's like I think that's why Drake got in heat.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he was ghost writing because, like people expected to be from you, people expected to be real from you, and like, at the end of the day, we like listening to music. Like you know, it doesn't really even matter that much, but when it comes to rapping, it's like the flag is sticking to sand And it's like this is what I got going on. So when somebody else writes that for you, it becomes a little like in genuine you know where do you even consider?
Speaker 1:Because I want to know what is ghost writing, like me and you in the studio, and I say, bro, you should have said that You, like you, know what that would have worked And you put that line in there. Technically, did I, did, you did. I just go straight for you because I put in a line.
Speaker 3:That's a good question. The way I see it is like that sounded more like collaborative, right, like we're kind of bouncing ideas off each other. I created something. I'm looking for your input. You know, i've been in studio sessions where it's very together. We're building this thing together And that's different than like I wrote this for you And like I think a lot of ghost writing is like remotely done, like people just send in emails and like here's a track. You know, like send me a beat, i'll send you the thing back and you can just take what you wrote from it. I mean, i don't know, i don't want to knock anyone's household, but like I just I love the process and figuring it out for myself And I think I can. I can hit the melodies, i can hit the, the raps, like whatever it is. I always feel like I could do it if I need to. I'll put some time into it, i'll get there.
Speaker 2:So would you go some right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, if there was a check involved. Hell yeah, writing opportunities are a big thing And it's. It's something that I've got my foot in the door a little bit, but not to the point where, like I'm writing for other artists and like getting songwriting credits But I want to. I mean, i got like throwaways. They're like somebody else could make a hit song.
Speaker 3:Sometimes it doesn't work for me, but it's the perfect melody for somebody else or whatever it is So like yeah, i mean I think there's a lot of like a lot of good stuff going to waste that could be going. It could be doing well for somebody else.
Speaker 1:Do you feel as though who taught you to business?
Speaker 3:matter of fact, because you said that's what I studied in Towson And I actually like. In Towson, not only did I study entrepreneurship and marketing, but I also had a business where it's kind of like an Instagram business, like we had a hip hop pages. We'd charge artists and promote them and stuff, and like that business taught me so much.
Speaker 1:I hope people would be jumping into DMs and X and us Hold up, hold up, that was I was before that I was before that shit, send us a DM.
Speaker 2:They be calling, send us a DM.
Speaker 3:That shit kind of saturated the game. I was once they hopped in, it was like it reminds me of the sneaker The sneaker biz.
Speaker 3:Yes, the bots came in and it was like man, fuck this, and I can't get no shoes. It's like man, fuck this, just y'all killed the whole thing. Similar situation It taught me. The reason I bring it up is because I did so much customer service. I talked to people, i fielded concerns, i'd walk them through questions Like it's a whole process. It's the same thing in any business of just like you have a customer, you have a service you're providing, you have a quality you want to maintain And just doing that customer service, having all those different interactions, like after I got the school side of it and kind of like the personal, like actual living it situation through the business I was just like customer service on 100, able to speak to people, able to market myself, able to connect with other like-minded people. So yeah, i mean it was personal, it was partially the class, but also partially like learning from experience.
Speaker 1:So did you go to Towson for this? Like you knew you wanted to be a rapper, so you went to school to get the background on it, or you went for something completely different.
Speaker 3:I mean, i went to school because, like, that was what it was designed for me to do.
Speaker 2:Like.
Speaker 3:I almost had to go to like I almost didn't have a choice to go to college. I did. But like at the time things are happening for you and like your parents are making decisions for you and money's put on the line, it was like, is this just what you're doing? And when I got there I realized that's when I want to make music. And I also realized, like, all right, i can do all the music stuff on my own. I'll just learn business from the school, from the classes, which is what I'm here for. But I was having like like rappers and singers come through my dorm. I was recording them out of business of like engineering other artists, i was hustling any way I could and all that stuff, the social media stuff, the recording stuff all just went and funded my own, my own career, my music videos, my promotional stuff, cover art, whatever it was. You know just threw it all back into the business, do you?
Speaker 1:remember your first song.
Speaker 3:Yeah well, my first, like my first song that I released the first song that you released, that you were like OK it's called. it's called Join the Cypher. It might even be online somewhere. still I don't know. It was just like a verse, it was a shook ones. part two Oh. God, just like the most classic hip hop instrumental all time, It's a good place to start.
Speaker 3:I guess right, but I just like a verse. That's kind of how I started, very just like. Not really songwriting with hooks and concepts is more just like I'm spitting and shows off my lyrical ability, which is cool. I love to see how it's progressed now to the point where, like it starts with a concept and like we you know it's, it's so much deeper than it was when it started, which is how it should be. But yeah, that first one was called Join the Cypher And I remember I worked for a basketball camp. I got a $200 paycheck for, like, coaching the kids. Maybe it's $300 paycheck. You bought it, took it back. That was my first love was hooping.
Speaker 1:Oh shit. First.
Speaker 3:Yeah, OK. But I took that paycheck and went straight from the camp to the studio and like paid for my first couple of songs I think it was 300 for two songs to get them recorded and mixed And I just literally took the money and was like let's go So like you, nervous.
Speaker 2:And built up to that point.
Speaker 3:You know I just hadn't really wrapped in front of anybody, like I used to always get really nervous rapping in front of people, but it was just confidence thing. It was like I didn't have much experience, killing it, failing, learning, what's in between, like you got to learn, you got to go through those hoops to really learn like where you fit in it and how you can be successful in it. But I used to be so nervous rapping in front of people.
Speaker 2:So what advice do you have for, like the younger self beginning rap, like you got some advice with something that you wish, like maybe somebody would have told you about it, or something like that.
Speaker 3:Just like have the most confidence in the world and yourself. Always look back and I'm like I'm more confident now and what I'm doing than I was before And I feel like if I was more confident at that point I could have just taken it up a notch. You know what I mean. So, like whatever that could, that could take a lot of forms, But like just truly believing in yourself, And the more you believe in it in yourself, the more money you put behind it, the more time and effort you put into making things happen behind it. Yeah, like all in all in all in, I wish I could have just like dove in even more headfirst than I did back in the day, But I mean I dove in pretty headfirst so it's hard to look back and say I would have changed things.
Speaker 1:But What was your first bomb? You have a bomb on stage.
Speaker 3:I've never bombed on stage. I mean, my first couple of shows at Towson were pretty like open mic in like the, not the library, like they used to have this food court and there was like a stage in the middle You could like there was open mic. So I'd just be like rapping while people were eating lunch. It was so awkward and uncomfortable. But I mean, i think, like I think I've always, i've always had something that people could see, something in me. So, even when it was like at its worst, you could see where it was going. You know, and I think that's why, like, i've always felt, like to a certain degree I've got respect for it, because I think I waited until I was ready before I started hitting it And then, even like when it was at the bottom, you could see, all right, like he's got some potential, he could go somewhere with it. So I was, you know, i always had confidence in myself, but I could change one thing Just go like even more all in from the jump.
Speaker 1:That's scary, though, because people will be like I got lives that I want to. I want to still have my life that I can. You know, maybe if this don't work, i could do something else.
Speaker 3:You just proved my point for me. Maybe, if this don't work, i can do something else.
Speaker 2:But it's got to work, you got to.
Speaker 3:You got to plan. You got to plan. You're thinking about playing B, bro. What about plan A? That's that's my point is like there is no plan B.
Speaker 1:You gotta sit. And I think that that furthers plan A more when there's no plan B, you don't have nothing else.
Speaker 3:I mean, obviously, like you got things you gotta do, you got bills, you got kids, you got some people got illnesses they gotta pay for. Like people's situations are different and I feel for everybody that physically can't do that, i think I'm really blessed to be able to just do it, like it takes being in the right place at the right time to even be able to pursue it and to have that mentality Cause a lot of people I could tell you that all in all in and then, like you got a bill, at the end of the day, what are you gonna do? Use your sound cloud link to pay for it? Uh-uh, doesn't work like that. So it's like it has to. It has to make sense, you know, and it's difficult to get into position where it makes sense. But if you love like, if you decide from a young age that you want to be a musician, you want to be an artist.
Speaker 3:It's possible, but you just gotta go all in. You can't have this. You can't have this back and forth mentality. Or else you send in applications, you get you out, man, you going playing.
Speaker 1:Do you even are you the only musician in your family Like this started with you? or you had like a grand pot and not a plate piano?
Speaker 3:No, no, i mean, my grandma used to do piano lessons on the low, so like I guess. But I don't really come from that. I come from a very creative family, not necessarily a musically inclined family. My dad just recently joined a band, so he'd play guitar like yeah you know.
Speaker 3:so I guess I do come from a little bit of a music family. My brother produces, my sister can sing a little bit, but nobody is a musician full time, except for me, like a couple of the creative You were raising the right formula with your sister, your brother, your grandma, your dad.
Speaker 1:Everybody has some type of musical touch And you just went. I'ma go all the way.
Speaker 3:I think my dad's side is really creative. My dad used to like when he used to work for like a corporate sales job, they'd have events or whatever And my man would literally make parody songs. I remember in college, recording TI, you could have whatever you like. He like changed the words to like his company, like you could do it all, skype or something. I was like, damn so he's creative. I think I get that creativeness from him And then I think from my mom's side that's just like my heart And why I think I'm a good person And, like you know, i get that from her 100%.
Speaker 1:With that right You give me, which you know. we've had rappers on before, i would say, from the dayboats, from everybody that we've had. it's always this common denominator that I had to come from like a rough upbringing, a street background, you. it's like I didn't come from that, i'm just talented, it's fuck.
Speaker 3:It's all for me, it's. I was raised in a place. Gaithersburg is like super academically driven, Like everything is like you go to school, you get good grades. You go to college, you get a job you get a family and I guess you made it.
Speaker 3:That's it. And I realized early on like this is not for me And like I refuse to just like give up to this system. So I didn't come from a rough background at all. I'm very blessed to say I had a good upbringing, but that idea of going into that system was like could not, can't even fathom it, uh-uh.
Speaker 1:Go sit on the desk. No way in hell.
Speaker 3:I can't even sit here still just thinking about it. It's like, no, i gotta get out, i gotta get out of this. So for me it was like that's what drove me, you know. It drove me to. It was like and keep in mind, i went to school like I was kind of on that path You was on, the path I was on the path.
Speaker 3:But I realized, like I don't have to do this, i can change. This is up to me. This is my life, my path. I'm the fucking author of this book. I get to write the.
Speaker 1:That is so different, though, because a lot of people follow that path like, oh, my parents wanted me to go to school, my parents wanted me to get this type of job. Now you've 30.
Speaker 3:I told my parents I wanted to be a hip hop artist, they were like all right, cool. Couple years later says you need something to do, job, job. No, i still want to be. no, i'm a hip hop artist. remember, oh, okay, great. Like a couple years later, like, oh, this motherfucker really wants to be a hip hop artist, he's not playing. So, yeah, i mean it takes. it takes like dedication and my parents for a long time Like I don't think they really took it that seriously, even though they saw me, they saw talent, they saw merit to what I was doing.
Speaker 2:It's still like that's something to do, but your career, your life.
Speaker 3:Like, no, no, no. This is it. Like, and I can take it far with this. I can take it far with this, but it's just not what they're used to.
Speaker 1:What was your biggest rap check so far? Does it come from touring? Does it come from writing? So yeah, honestly, How? does rap money work. Now I'm curious.
Speaker 3:All right. So rap money is a tough thing to get. I feel like it's a thing where you don't get much of it until you start getting a lot of it. A lot of it is garnered on your audience. How much can you bring to the table views? How many tickets can you sell? But there's a lot of ways to get money And recently I've gotten more into kind of like the corporate side of it Business side.
Speaker 3:Like connecting with businesses, sync licensing. So I would say the most recent, i made it. I guess I won't say it, but I made a song for a company And it was like a custom song for their upcoming campaign. I made it with their words in mind And that was like a good like 1500. So that was like damn, we making this off just writing a song. I like this Yeah, and you know it takes some time, but it was like this is how I want to make my money. You know what?
Speaker 3:I'm saying Like I can do this 100%. So I'm trying to really get more into the space of like I want to make money in ways that I want to make money And I want to have a price, of course, but like I want to connect with people that are aligned with me And like we're building in the right way. Whether it's smaller big steps, we're moving in the right direction, Cause, like I don't want to take ginormous steps if it's in the wrong direction.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying, even for the bag, i say the bag was a million, but it was completely.
Speaker 3:I don't care about that. Look, so I got to. this is the way I see it. A million is great. I don't mean fucking million. I have a college degree. At any point in my life, if I want to go take on a corporate sales job or just like get into that space, i'm ready to take that step. But it's not about the money. If it was about the money, i'll be doing that And I'll be making a lot more money than I do right now.
Speaker 1:Everybody say this about the rap game. You are the only one.
Speaker 3:It's about, like I said, it's about making money in the right ways. To me. I have full confidence that I'm gonna make a lot of money in my life, but I don't care. I care much more about making it the right way than about how much, because I got friends now who went through the corp, who, like, went to school with me and went to similar colleges, and now they're making a lot of money and it's easy to look at them and be like damn, they're killing it. And some of them just aren't happy And it's like, bro, you could die tomorrow And like that's. I want to be happy, i want to be fulfilled. I want to make money in a way that I know I'm being my best self And like it just feels to me like pursuing it in this way rather than just chasing the highest possible salary. It's not what I'm in for.
Speaker 1:Would you stay in the? you're independent. Yeah, Would you stay there?
Speaker 3:Yeah, i would stay independent, I would also entertain. I mean, you're taking? a Russ model Record labels. It's all about leverage. If I don't have leverage to give the label, they're gonna dick me And they're gonna take all my shit.
Speaker 1:The 360.
Speaker 3:They all talk about hey, watch out for that, don't do that. You don't have leverage. You got no reason for them not to do that. So I got to build up a certain amount of leverage before I even entertain it, or else It's just not worth it. you know, cause I'm self-sufficient. A lot of people like a label is really just resources and funding. It's like a bad people say this all the time It's a loan with shitty interest. So if you're resourceful to like build your team and to use your funds properly like, you'd be better off going to the bank to get a loan. Now where the label really helps is pouring gasoline on the fire.
Speaker 1:The marketing.
Speaker 3:It's just like the fire If there's no fire, gasoline doesn't help, But if there's a fire, if there's a spark, you throw gasoline. So it helps for artists that are building a wave and they build up the leverage and then it works. But I don't know, man, I haven't really like entertained too much label stuff just because I've been building my own thing independently and it takes a certain amount of leverage for me to even entertain it. It's like I know I'm going to get dicked unless I have a certain amount of leverage to bring to the table. So how'd that conversation? we had that conversation. You?
Speaker 2:know. Now you said it's no plan B. right, yeah, it's always music, but is there something else you would do besides rap? Like if you couldn't rap, let's say you lost your voice tomorrow It's like my biggest fear in this whole world Going blind and not being able to speak. Yeah, like what if you couldn't rap? So if you couldn't rap, are you still doing music?
Speaker 3:So my purpose on this earth, I believe, is to connect with people, And that's music is the way for me to do that. If I wasn't able to speak, I'm sure I would just find that next way to connect with people, Because you can still find a way to connect with people even if it's not through rap music, And I'm also very open to like. Life is crazy, man. Sometimes things happen and it's not exactly how you expected it And you find yourself in a position of whether good or bad hopefully good And it came about like. Maybe something else happens and I impact the world in a much larger way than just rap.
Speaker 3:Like I'm open minded to think of, like, who knows how things are gonna happen. But if I couldn't be a musician? or if I couldn't rap specifically, there's so much to do in music I would love to like. If I couldn't be the artist, i would love to be like a touring pianist. I'm learning to play piano right now, oh you got the instrument coming.
Speaker 1:Learn how to play. Add it to the bag.
Speaker 3:Exactly, i'm trying, i'm working on it Just because, like, there's so much you can do with me, you can be a songwriter. I could not say anything and just write the songs and be dope, so it's hard to imagine that we're on What We're some wood I can knock on.
Speaker 1:It's somewhere. Are you single? Yeah, do you keep it that way on purpose?
Speaker 3:No, i mean, I'm like I do keep it that way on purpose, but I'm waiting for somebody that's like gonna excite me, gonna bring something to my life. that is just like.
Speaker 1:Ladies.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying. It's the type of situation where, like, if I know it's a feeling, if I know it's like the right type of person, i'll spend time, i'll spend money, i'll entertain it, but a lot of the time I just focus and like, i'll entertain things here and there, but like, a lot of the time it's just back to the draw, you know, back to the work.
Speaker 2:Ah see, When's the last time you even had a serious relationship?
Speaker 3:Serious relationship.
Speaker 2:Have you had one?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I've had a couple in my life. It's been like a good like five or six years since I've had a serious relationship.
Speaker 1:God damn, I've been going on a little bit here for a long time 26. Oh shit, so you're getting me a teenager. What was your last?
Speaker 3:No, I was like 20, 2021 is when I ended it And then, yeah, i mean, ever since then, like you know, it's been back to I'm super open-minded, i love to meet people, i love to kind of check the vibe, see the connection. But I know my goals, i know what I want out of life And, like you, gotta be in that ride or else.
Speaker 1:You gotta get the fuck on my track.
Speaker 3:I'm just on my track. You know It's nothing against anybody else, but I just know what I want And I realize if I'm gonna get this, i gotta put this much time in this much effort. It's gonna take this much money financially. It's planning everything out And, like I, just go with what feels right.
Speaker 1:But I'm not forcing anything. Well, another musician, somebody that can understand your lifestyle like another musician.
Speaker 3:Yeah, i mean, i feel like I would love to think it would go down like that Like date another musician And like we start growing together and make a collab album together or something.
Speaker 1:Oh, you talk of your meek mills, okay.
Speaker 3:I mean I'd be cool, i'd love to, like you know it's fun to think about, but I don't know. you know I'm like I'm very open minded to like who knows where this person is or where they're gonna come from. But you know, i'll know when I meet them and when they bring a certain amount of like excitement, cause I get so excited by the things that excite me.
Speaker 3:Like music and performing and connecting with people. So like I can't feel like you're not gonna be a part of that world. Bring something to the table, and you don't have to be an artist, like you don't have to have clout, you don't have to, you know, have a huge ass or nothing like that. But you have to get me excited about life Because, like I'm such and I'm sure hopefully y'all can feel it in my presence of like I'm passionate about the things that drive me And it's got. I gotta feel that passion, or else there's just I don't even entertain it. Oh, i feel like a lot of people in their twenties. They're afraid of being alone. They don't, you know, they just they for the clout, for just like they got nothing else to do. They just go through the motions of it. That's one thing I don't do is just go through the motions.
Speaker 1:You realize how different you are Like. You realize how different you are than a lot of other people.
Speaker 3:Very different. You're different, just people, man Just people, Not even like men just people.
Speaker 2:Just people in general.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but I mean, hopefully that's a good thing, right It's yeah, it's a good thing.
Speaker 1:You control your Instagram, right? Yeah, so if someone DMs you, it's you, they're talking to.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because when you DM, i was like is this a fucking manager?
Speaker 3:Nah, i mean I have. My manager has access to my account, but I'll be telling him don't be fucking responding to my messages and shit, unless I tell you to Don't go. Don't do that.
Speaker 1:Who creates the talent and everything on your page? Is it you or do you have a creative director?
Speaker 3:It's more just like I work with a creative director and he'll give me feedback. It's all I do. All my own posting. I write all my captions, but I work with my manager is like definitely has a good eye for branding and like what do we want to represent? What's the image side of it? What kind of symbols and what kind of creative direction concepts are we throwing into the music?
Speaker 1:video and all that.
Speaker 3:So I work with him because he brings the things to the table that I can't, which is like, whenever you build a team, that's the key. I mean, i feel like that inspires me to have more people on my team that are like that of like I'm good at this and all this important stuff around it. We gotta get someone who's good at that shit to come in and make the decisions right. It's like that's the people I trust on my team. So if you see anything you like on the social media image branding wise a lot of that is kind of going back to the drawing board and like how can we make this song just image wise, color wise, what we represent, how can we make it fit in? So definitely try to be like mindful of that.
Speaker 1:How long take you to write a song?
Speaker 3:Man. It can be anywhere from like 10 or 15 minutes up to like God damn.
Speaker 3:Yeah, i mean I've recently tried to go more with like the quick feeling of things, like I try not to marinate on things too long anymore, just because I go with the feeling of it now, versus like when I first started writing like Back at House and six years ago, seven years ago I would have like a beat or like a hook that I really liked And it was like this is it. Like I'll come back and rewrite it five times if I have to, like this is gonna be it Now. I don't force things like that anymore. You know, like I'm okay letting go of things a lot, a lot more often than I was back in a day.
Speaker 1:You were just saying earlier that you have throwaways. It's taking you 10 minutes to write a song.
Speaker 3:Yeah, i mean I sometimes I put the timer on and I'm like let's go, so wait, you could if I'm busting these numbers out, you could possibly write an album in probably a day.
Speaker 3:The thing is, yes, but the thing is, how good is it gonna be? How much is it gonna feel like this was something that I need people to hear, cause, like I could put out stuff all day, i could make stuff rhyme all day, i could hit a melody all day, but is it gonna catch it, like when you listen to it? is it gonna make you feel something that make you want me to come on your podcast and talk to me, or is it just gonna be some more stuff that you hear? Like I often am in this kind of battle with myself of like putting out stuff frequently just to do it And then also doing stuff that like really not forcing it, doing something that's meaningful. And sometimes there's a big gray area in the middle of that right, like when you're trying to make stuff quick and then like maybe something sticks a little bit So you gotta put a little extra time into it to just get it where it needs to be. Like it's all kind of ranges. It's hard for me to even like put a perfect formula on it now because, like I just go with the flow of things. I've written songs. Some of my better songs were written really quick, in like 20 or 30 minutes.
Speaker 1:You gave on Bonis. One of my Bonis is dear to my heart.
Speaker 3:I'm glad you fuck with that, yeah.
Speaker 1:You said in Bonis you gave up the weed and the drink.
Speaker 3:No, i didn't. I said that I do miss the weed and the drink.
Speaker 1:I didn't give up the weed and the drink.
Speaker 3:But the weed and the drink when I was in LA is different bro. It's different bro, and just the environments of it, like the smoking culture, is so much different in California.
Speaker 1:LA is different.
Speaker 3:Then it is in Maryland, la specifically, but just California, and that's why we're like, oh, when are we going back to LA? We're gonna go to the trip. You know It's cause like it really is And I miss that. But I don't, i smoke the same. I don't smoke anymore. I don't smoke any less. She's such a good friend, but I miss the culture around it. I miss the culture in LA, the smoking culture, the cannabis culture and just kind of like the going out culture. Like people in Maryland when you go out you're not in the room with three artists and a manager and an actor anymore. It's like it's harder to be in the room with the same people that are interested in what you're interested in. And I miss that about LA of like it's just all over the place. That's not really.
Speaker 3:It's more just like that environment of going out, having fun, smoking, drinking, connecting with people it was kind of that whole thing of just like I missed you know, but I'm glad I came back though.
Speaker 1:Do you feel so? cause we ask everybody to make it in a music business. Baltimore, Maryland, is a very small market, So if you are in Towson, Morgan, wherever you wanna become a musician, Do you tell people you gotta leave, You gotta hit what? Atlanta, Cali.
Speaker 3:No, i mean. So I think that's stupid And there is a lot of people that are like you go to LA, you go to New York, you go to the place where it's happening and that puts you in the right position or puts you in the right room of people, and that's amazing. But, like I think the idea that you have to go there to do something is like Just back where.
Speaker 3:I think like oh, this is somewhere along the lines, maybe, like some fucking Politicians got in this a hey, we need more people to come to the state, let's start putting in some. I don't know, man, it just seems like when did that become like the standard? because?
Speaker 1:that seems like LA, atlanta, like like you were saying going in LA and this, you could go out and you could be in a room with an artist and a manager.
Speaker 3:Great things came from. I remember I went to and I met so many people that night and like one of them came back to Maryland and Stayed for like a weekend and we collab, made like a whole bunch of tracks. Like so much good stuff came from that one party. Because they were. It was like yo, what's up, i'm Breck, i'm a hip-hop artist. It was like you're a hip-hop producer, you're a singer. It was like we could then they make a track tonight.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying the connections is different that it's like Everybody there was an artist, songwriter in the creative space manager, actor, whatever it was like. I'll go out and maybe see one person here that does that, and most of the time they're not somebody that I But ain't that's what make it hard, because you don't have access to people as easily here. So that's so, that's the, the pros. That's like one reason that if you go there, that's what you should be tapping into it's like there's people.
Speaker 3:If you go there and you don't tap into the people, you're doing it wrong Because there's people all around you. You got it. It's like the same mindset of Towson, of like I'm here, i got no connections, like who wants to work, what can we do? I'm just like let's be open, i'm gonna hit everybody out. I mean, you know, because I hit you up, like I hit, i'm not afraid to do it, i'm not afraid to reach out, but at the same time like that mentality that I can't make it here unless I go there. I don't like that. That's what I think is wack, because with the internet you can do any, like It doesn't matter where you are. With the internet, if you're, if you do it the right way, you get booked to go to California from here and they pay for you to go out there. That's how you do it.
Speaker 1:I mean, people are scared, to just put it out.
Speaker 3:I mean, it's one of the hardest parts.
Speaker 1:Just to put the song, because now they are a lot of dope artists, rappers, whatever. All you have to do is put it out.
Speaker 2:Now especially, all you gotta do is put it out, because some shit that's out is crazy, don't make no fucking sense. Like, give me some of the music that's out nowadays, like the Mumble Rap, like what are you saying?
Speaker 3:Not, a fan.
Speaker 2:Like it's cool. But like When you listen to a bunch of different kinds of music, i can see why people hit a Mumble Rap and they like Get it out of here. Yeah, cuz time and place really lyricists out here. Like sure it's real music out here, people really saying stuff, instead of repeating the same thing for three minutes, yeah, yeah but our lyricist people that can make the club jump Yeah, not a lot of lyricists can make.
Speaker 1:J Cole is a lyricist, but you're not gonna go to the club and try to bump J Cole.
Speaker 2:J Cole also stays in his box right. There's one thing of being a lyricist and standing in your box and being a lyricist step outside of your box. The lyricist that step outside of that box have club bangers.
Speaker 1:That's true, that's a fact. That's fat, i can't.
Speaker 2:I can't, just you gotta step out your box. You step out your box into the realm of okay, i want to make a hit that you gonna jump to in the club, then you gonna get it. But if you stay in the box of, you know, i'm a lyricist and I don't really care if you bump my music in a club. J Cole Don't care if you bump his music in the club.
Speaker 1:Hmm.
Speaker 2:So he don't necessarily make club music. So that's J Cole in the club but I would bump J Cole cold dreamville.
Speaker 1:But I agree what you're saying, because J Cole Naturally is a lyricist. But he will give you oh, i can still make bangers, he can still make bangers is gonna get you attention. Oh, i can, really I can write banga.
Speaker 2:It's gonna get your attention noted to listen to his whole album, which is basically lyricist. Yes.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. Are you that way? Do you focus clearly on the lyricist part, or you like I? let me make a banga, why everybody can get the attention, and then come see what I actually got going on.
Speaker 3:I just it's different goals for different moments and goals for different songs.
Speaker 3:Like sometimes my approach is totally Let's make them jump. I have a song called jumping and the hook goes jumping, jumping, jumping is literally the goal is to get them jumping. And I tore it and had kids jumping all over the country. So it was like, okay, i did that, that was good for that. And then there's the other side of like I want this to be an experience for the listener. I want this to be something that's challenging. I want this. I'm throwing a lot at them. Two different goals, you know.
Speaker 2:Well.
Speaker 3:I want you to sit down and listen the other, i want you to barely listen and just vibe with it. So it's like it's totally different and when you're when you are able to kind of Go into different pockets, you got to really keep that, got that goal in mind, like what's, what do I want the listener to do when they hear it? and it's a different approach, you know.
Speaker 1:If someone another rapper dissed you on a song, would you respond, rather be famous or not?
Speaker 3:If they're not famous. I mean if they're just like some dude, that no, i could not care less and that's actually not like a diss track. But, like I've had remember, some dude sent me a sub tweet and he was like look what he said about you How you gonna handle this, boss. I just read it and didn't respond like I'm not gonna do any. I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 1:Like but isn't the rap culture, like you were saying, stamping your flag when someone comes for you?
Speaker 2:Absolutely absolutely let that go. That's important Yeah.
Speaker 3:It's like my time money. It's like am I gonna give this person that much time? are they worth it? when Drake and meek Miller going at it, the answer is yes. When Machine gun Kelly and Eminem are going at it, the answer is yes when some do that. You've never even heard of some tweets about me, the answer is this is a waste my fucking time. I'm not doing that shit, fuck you.
Speaker 1:But you would do it if it was a person of stature.
Speaker 3:Yeah, i'll give you a little insight. I wrote like a, the company that I was touring with. I wrote a diss track to their competitor and They the ball. I did it because I was like I need something that the bosses are gonna fire them up. It's gonna say you can perform this in every city in the country that we go to. I was like that's one way to fire, i'm up.
Speaker 1:That's one way to go for their enemies.
Speaker 3:We'll get you attention. Yeah, and that worked and they liked it. They were like alright, every city, you can perform it now.
Speaker 1:I was like let's go so Yes and no.
Speaker 3:Like I love the culture of like battle. Hip-hop is like it's battle, it's war. And if someone comes for you, I don't think there's any better way to put them in their place through rapping about it.
Speaker 1:If you get bombed like someone comes for you, It's a stature Okay and they murder you out Okay.
Speaker 3:Let's say I pop, let's play the situation. Let's say I'm popping on Blue hair, a little smurf ass motherfucker comes for me and it's like fire and they're like damn.
Speaker 1:Do you once you know? is it a point where you like he got me?
Speaker 3:No, I mean no. No, even if it's even if it's like dope. He might have got me right now, but it's never like he wanted before I even respond. Look no, we don't have to see, we don't have to. We're gonna have to see until I respond, to see who won, you know, okay. So, I would, yeah, depending on who they are and how like, how dope their, their verse was, i would always come back.
Speaker 3:I'll never hear and it'd be so dope and it's like I'm not touching that. I mean you'd have to really really come.
Speaker 1:Nope, you got it.
Speaker 3:I can't imagine that world. But Yeah, i mean it has to be where, it has to be worth my time.
Speaker 1:Do you do when you say you're touring? What is your like? venues, i don't know.
Speaker 3:stadiums, it's mainly the tour I'm with, which is a little bit unconventional for a lot of hip-hop artists. I found a tour through an already established company that has like dance guests, and it's hip-hop dance.
Speaker 1:So it's all hippie. Oh, it is different.
Speaker 3:It's all kids and young adults who are dancing and want to be like hip-hop dancers. And I'm just a hip-hop artist who just mowsy my way on like, hey, what's up. So I toured with them. Originally I started DJing for I'm just It's a how many, how many gigs yeah, I mean it's like a 16 city tour from like October through April, maybe May.
Speaker 3:So I just got off it back in May and And, hmm, so I started DJing with them, playing the music, and I still do DJ that for them, which is great because I can throw my songs in there, i can play what's hot, it is what it is like, thankfully. But, um, yeah, once I started Making the songs directly for them because I knew what I wanted. I knew as soon as when I first got into that convention I saw classrooms for the hip-hop. I'm like, oh yeah, this, uh-huh, this could be me, that's gonna be me in a couple years. And by the Bing, by the boom, all it takes is just stepping up and saying like yo, this is it.
Speaker 3:So I literally wrote a song. It was like for this tour. It was like coat, it was a slogans and phrases from this tour. It was like all specific to this and I said I want to, i want to perform this for this tour. I even went to the office. I was like, yo, i need the two owners, like one of y'all free Wednesday 3 pm? Cool, come there, i'm gonna show you guys something. And I like did the diss track. I performed it for him because I was like this needs to hit. If they're gonna let me, they're gonna trust me to do this all over the country. So I like manifested in my mind and was like let's do it. And they just liked it and they let it happen.
Speaker 1:Well, that Travis Scott incident that happened, would you do you feel as though you go to like what's that festival you went to in Cali rolling loud?
Speaker 3:I want to roll in loud Miami. It's so fun.
Speaker 1:If you are performing and You know your crowd is doing what they do, someone gets hurt. Do you feel like that's on you?
Speaker 3:It's a tricky question. I mean, as the performer, i Can only control what I'm controlling on stage. Now I don't know what Travis said, that specific event, i mean if people are hurt and he's telling them to jump even harder, like it might sway my answer a little bit, but I think at the end of the day the performer is supposed to perform and The security in the venue was a secure their job to set up a safe environment.
Speaker 3:Like obviously there's some leeway if the artist is telling you to do unsafe stuff and you're listening. I went to a Travis shore that he's like.
Speaker 3:Twice as hard right, he goes crazy. I love his shows are so fun, but I think that one falls on the the grounds because apparently for that, for the Astro world Fest, there was people that snuck into the venue and there was like twice the amount of people that should have been there. I'm not Travis's fault. Also, let's be real, if Travis is on stage and there's thousands of people going on, Look at it. I heard videos of people like Travis. Stop the show like people like.
Speaker 3:He's got a earpiece, got a monitor in his ear, like he can hear the music in his voice. He can't hear any being on stage. Sometimes I can't even hear myself speak, so it's like he definitely doesn't hear those little people in the crowd.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3:I mean, you know, i just think that I think that the performer is got to do what he does and Obviously there's like room for error on both sides. I don't want to be too concrete with it, but the performer got to perform in the venue and security got to secure, i guess, is my, is my answer that a listen.
Speaker 1:I got nothing to say to that. You were talking about Rap a lot here. I want to know. I just want to see if my thought process is correct right now Currently, who's your top five rappers? You can put yourself in it if you great answer.
Speaker 3:I actually like. I feel like the top five is something that always changes, like every okay, we ain't got it, we ain't got to say the best. Definitely Kendrick Lamar is number one. Okay, i put Drake in my top five artists for sure, just cuz he's an incredible artist.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:J I D Is also on my top five rappers. No doubt I love J I D Like when it comes to just people who are spitting bars.
Speaker 1:That's convinced unconventional. I people don't know who that is.
Speaker 3:J I D Look him up, if you know, cuz he's dope and he's a dream villager. So we sign in the J. Cole, like Kendrick Cole and J I D Might be like my favorite three like rappers consistently, but I mean I listened to a lot of like Travis and Don Toliver. I listened to like a lot of SZA and Adele. I don't know if I put them in like my top five.
Speaker 1:Wait a minute, you, you, you step into your R&B bag.
Speaker 3:Absolutely, and when we come to R&B it's a different conversation. R&B like Givian Brent Fias the weekend Recently got put onto this Marilyn artist Reggie Bekton. He's from PG County. Check them out. But yeah, just like I'm always looking for new stuff too, i just found like a new artist like couple months ago and I'm like, damn, he's like up there for me. So there's a lot of dope people doing it, man, a lot of people to be discovered still it's a saturated market for artists.
Speaker 1:So when that's when everybody's rapping or everybody's talented, maybe you come from LA or Atlanta with a lot of dope rappers already set. Where do you do to cuz? you came from here So it was kind of easier for you to step out there and be that guy. But when you're in a saturated market, what do you do to say, okay, everybody's got Instagram, everybody's got hit music. What the fuck can I do now?
Speaker 3:million dollar question What makes me different? right, and that's like Something I can't answer for most people. You got to look within to see What makes me different, what makes somebody want to listen to me rather than somebody else, especially with how many dope artists are coming out. So I think a lot of it is with the content. Like just in today's world, music is great, but like you can win people's attention with the content. Look at like Takashi six none Like I wasn't streaming his music, but I saw that man everywhere and it's just like what it was. I saw him all the time. I don't see him anymore, thank God.
Speaker 1:But I'm gonna sit here. You might not even know this. I'm not gonna lie. There are some Takashi songs that are actually-.
Speaker 3:Oh, they are hard. I don't want to discredit his-. I was like I'm fucking surprised.
Speaker 1:This shit is amazing.
Speaker 3:His run was dealt. I can't say I listened.
Speaker 1:Him with Nicki fire.
Speaker 3:With the C-C-T. Nah ma sa pa t-t-t-t-t.
Speaker 1:I don't even know the words Me either, but I was in a car by myself and said fuck, let's try it.
Speaker 2:I can't say I can remember a single song by him. That's only him. I remember that song with him and Nicki, but you would have to play a song that's his song that was popular for me to be like. Oh okay, i remember that song. If I ain't hear it on the radio or it ain't get maybe played in the club or something.
Speaker 2:I ain't hear it, i ain't listening to it. I just wasn't. I don't know, i don't know, i just wasn't. And this was before all the drama with him and all of that. I just wasn't, i just didn't want to hear it. That wasn't your vibe. I didn't want to hear it.
Speaker 3:Well, you make a good point because content is able to get people to see you, but obviously his content didn't resonate with you enough for you to check it out.
Speaker 2:I saw him and I mean I might have listened. I think I listened to something and I was like this ain't it? And I just from then on, when I was like okay, Yeah, just I'm good on that, Come on.
Speaker 1:You said you weren't from the streets. Does being in hip hop and that's no snitching policy apply to you?
Speaker 3:Yeah, i mean no snitching is a policy that should apply to everyone, whether you're in hip hop or not.
Speaker 1:Hmm, right, i'm going to say yes, mind your business. That's how it's read.
Speaker 2:I know Mind your business Mind, your business Mind your business.
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Speaker 3:This is actually a mushroom.
Speaker 2:It's a shroom.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was going to say This is a mushroom.
Speaker 2:Get your shit together.
Speaker 3:Hey, listen if you're watching you've seen it, it's a shroom. The pacifier represents my pullout game, psygnoc. You never not pulled out. No, no, i'm pullout and game immaculate. I'm like undefeated.
Speaker 1:And I went to Towson. Yeah, you remember rec room down the street.
Speaker 3:Yes, i do, yeah, yes, i do, yes, i do.
Speaker 1:You telling me that every time you pull it out.
Speaker 3:Yeah, i'm like that should be standard, right? I mean, let's talk it. Yeah, i mean yeah.
Speaker 2:It's got to be pretty immaculate. Hang out, you got kids Hang out with kids No kids No.
Speaker 3:Well, i say it's immaculate. Check the stats, check the books. I mean if you're going to wrap it up, then you could, i guess, do your thing, which I'm not saying to never do, just depends on the situation. But pullout game is a no brainer.
Speaker 1:What was one of your most memorable times in LA?
Speaker 3:The party was a great one. I'm trying to give you something else out in the party, but when I walked into that party, man Break the scene there.
Speaker 1:What?
Speaker 3:happened. I walked into the party. This was also like I just dyed my hair. I brown, same color as my eyebrows, just dark brown hair. I got the fresh blue hair. It was totally different.
Speaker 1:I was feeling a new way. People seen you when you came.
Speaker 3:Of course, you turned some heads when you got some colorful hair. But I walked into this room and I saw some other people that had just got their hair done And I walked in and it was just a warm welcome. They're like, hey, what do you do? Oh, this is what I do too, and it was like every person in the house. So we did this party And then toward the end of the night, all the artists and the hip hop people got together, started talking. We all went to one of the studios in the house and just started taking turns showing each other music for the night And it was like he's fire Shit. Oh damn, she's crazy. We should all. It was just such a good connecting moment.
Speaker 1:You went by yourself, we went by ourselves. I went with my manager at the time We went together Like a real LA shit.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and he was a guitar player too, So he had played guitar on a lot of my tracks. So he was kind of like hey, this song we did this together. But yeah, it was just such a vibe of everybody just showing each other music and getting it And everybody was dope too. Nobody, there was trash. So everybody actually contributed and brought something cool to the table. And one of those people I ended up collabing with we had a song coming out in July, OK.
Speaker 1:But you want to say this person's name.
Speaker 3:Yeah, his name's Sakari. He's a really really dope artist producer.
Speaker 1:Well, she's Sakari at the bottom.
Speaker 3:He's more kind of on the pop side. Oh yeah, his voice reminds me a lot of Charlie Poof. He's in his own box, but he has that high register pop vocals Super dope, amazing producer He's old Charlie Poof. He came through the spot and we cooked up a bunch of songs And we're dropping our favorite one in July. So yeah, i'm excited for it.
Speaker 1:What do you do with artists that are not good? Do you tell them, Or do you give them the industry and be like yeah, bro.
Speaker 3:Well, let me let me define the question. Are they asking me for their input? Are?
Speaker 1:they, they want to do a song with you.
Speaker 3:I just I wouldn't entertain it if they weren't good or if they didn't have. Yeah, i mean, you have to be good to a certain level And then also you have to be doing this to a point of, like, posting content growing. You don't have to have a certain amount of followers or whatever. But I need to see that, like when we do something together, you're going to post about it, you're going to rep it.
Speaker 1:It can't be, you put that work in also.
Speaker 3:And just also like you grow, i got to make sure the people I'm attaching myself are also attaching myself to are also growing in their own way. because I'm growing, i'm moving, so I'm a move faster when I'm moving with people that are also running. So, like I really am trying to focus on connecting and collaborating with artists who are not only talented but are playing the game, putting in the work, making the content, putting themselves out there, not afraid to put themselves out there Like that's just as important as as being a dope artist, because there's so many saturated game and there's tons. Even in the DMV there's thousands. And through my new spot that is kind of like a creative hub connecting with different people, i've reached out to a lot of people trying to make things happen And you got to not only spot Mount Envy, saboonies, the boonies. So with that spot creative hub that I'm trying to get more people involved with, And I reach out to a lot of people.
Speaker 3:I try to connect with a lot of artists, and you got to not only be talented, but you got to be doing the content game as well, because, like it's just all I'm. I'm only interested in connecting with people that are going to help my presence as a content creator and as an artist And, like you, can be a dope artist and not help me at all. So you need to. You need to both of those pieces of the puzzle.
Speaker 1:To get invited to this, this, this mountain.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Dude, is it a personal invite? Can they go to your website and apply to this shit? How does this go?
Speaker 3:It's personal invite, for sure It's. Yeah. So it's the boonies. When I moved out to the boonies I moved into like a cabin in the woods on 50 acres. So when I said that in the song fucking yeah, 46 acres of shit is insane, yeah, that was real. But I moved out there and it just has like so much potential. It's got a lot of land, it's got a crib, that it's like peaceful quiet studio in there.
Speaker 3:So when I moved into the spot, my idea was to and I linked with a creative director who does a lot of my managing. Now Our goal was to basically make it like a creative retreat, because all these people that were linking with all these creatives a lot of them are in the city. I just came from the city Now. It was like we're in the middle of the woods, like what are we going to do? How are we going to make this special? So the idea is to have people come to us, create like this vibe of a place that's just like a creative hub, i see where the business idea came.
Speaker 3:Exactly. Studio, just like content photographer is different, having people come through all the time. We just want it to be a place where creations are happening And yeah, so you got to be special, invite only to that, and you got to be dope and you got to be posting shit. That's the only way Get the fuck out of my DM man.
Speaker 1:Get the fuck out When you are. so you do the TikToks, the Instagrams, all you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, i mean, i get ideas from people on my team, but like, and the video stuff. Sometimes, like I work with a videographer and I be like, hey, i need this video, i need to format it. So I have people on my team, but like, yeah, it's all me posting it. Most of the time it's all on my phone, all my hard drives.
Speaker 3:Like, yeah, it's me, it's a lot, it's a lot to that shit man. I mean, y'all know, just from doing content with this like it's a whole, it's a full time job, just doing that.
Speaker 1:This is the easiest part. Like you, rapping is easy, you can do that, but then it's the. Would it sound like engineers? would it look like location? All the intricate shit that you might not be involved in is some of the most important parts. That's just no fun either. Fuck it all Chas.
Speaker 3:You know like that's like the tedious part that nobody wants to do. Shout out to my man in the back, Yeah yeah, I don't want to do the shit.
Speaker 3:But yeah, I mean it's, it's, but it's part of the game. It goes back to like you can be a dope artist, You can have a, you can be a dope spokesperson, but if you're not the whole package, you're not making it. And it's like you realize as you get older and you go through people that are talented and bring what they bring to the table, that, like, that's only part of it, That's only a piece of the equation. The people that are really doing it killing it, doing well they've done all aspects of it. And it's like, you see, why it's a well oiled machine? because they have all aspects of it, Whether it's music, whether it's photography, whatever creative direction or even just regular business. Like you can do one thing well or you can do the craft aspect of it well, but like, especially, the world is changing too, Like the shit I have to do for TikTok and YouTube shorts and Facebook reels that didn't exist for four or five years.
Speaker 1:So it is so much harder than than it is now, because when we were coming up, what was it? SoundCloud, youtube, a couple of like mixtapes, maybe websites, but you didn't have as much access to be able to tap somebody like you do now with TikToks And now.
Speaker 3:I mean, i'm sure all three of us have been in a situation where, like, we saw somebody like kind of blow up overnight on TikTok, whether it's an artist or a content creator, but like they're dope, and I always kind of look at it as like, if it's meant for you, you're going to get it And the idea that things are changing a lot. Some people will look at it as like a problem or a struggle, but I try to look at it as an opportunity of, like the next thing that could put me on the biggest it ever has might not exist till tomorrow. And with like TikTok there's like think of all the people that were doing Instagram and Facebook and YouTube and it wasn't working.
Speaker 1:And then TikTok came around and they just found their And man, they've been doing this for years and it I'm not new to this.
Speaker 3:I've been doing this for years Overnight success took 10 years but, like you, just need it to be in the right position, the right vehicle to get to that destination.
Speaker 3:So I look at it as like all this shit is opportunity for us. You know, like if I'm thinking about it along those lines of shit, i got an advantage over the next person. I can get there quicker than the next person can. So when it comes to like AI and like all these different things that are changing around us just the algorithms you got to look at it as an opportunity. The minute you start looking at it as a problem, follow Muhammad And it is a struggle, like it's a pain in the ass. Sometimes I get you, i bend, or I do this to myself too. But you got to look at it as an opportunity because at the end of the day, it is, it can be one. It is an opportunity If you make it work.
Speaker 2:It, it, it, it. All you gotta do is go wherever.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's another thing. Another thing because I've been talking about this with a few people. It's tough to get there To get the attention right. Getting the attention is maybe the hardest part, but then, once you get it, keeping it that is like for the 99% of people that get, or for the 1% of people that get that Moment. 99% of those people can't keep it because you got to keep like you get someone's attention. Okay, you got my attention, now what?
Speaker 1:now, what now?
Speaker 3:Maybe five or ten seconds before it's on to the next thing. And you got it. Not only do it once or twice, but you have to do it enough that you build trust in me as an audience member that you're worth my time, and that's a that's a tough thing to do, i mean that's, you went viral before um, or very close to it in your mind. I Posted something on Facebook three, four weeks ago and it's got like 1.3 million views now. Shop shop my followers up.
Speaker 3:I don't know if you consider it viral or not. Like what? yes, viral aspects, but I Basically I took a song from mine in the past and I changed the voices of AI. There's like. I don't know if you've seen any of some of these like AI on the screen.
Speaker 1:That's fire with the AI yeah, so what I?
Speaker 3:so when that song came out, all three of us were probably like whoa, ai just made a song, wrote it, did all this shit, press a button. Song by Drake. Whoa, that's crazy. Then I learned a little bit more about it and it's like okay, somebody wrote that song, ai didn't make the lyrics on my head to write the report of that song.
Speaker 3:They just use AI to change the voice. So I was like, oh, there's voice changes by the big bit of them. Find one Taking down, find another one taking down, fine one, oh, this one still works, okay. So I started messing around with my tracks. I went back in my studio files, i took off all the instrumentals, i did what I needed to do to make the voice ready to be changed and I, like, started just messing around with different artists and My goal was to never like catfish.
Speaker 3:I never wanted to say like yo, i got Drake on my song, but I wanted to just experiment with some content. I had a verse for a song and I had Kendrick and Slim Shady going back and forth my words. I wrote them, i recorded it, dropped the song like two years ago on Spotify and I just took those words and chains like back and forth, like it was like Slim Shady rap. And then Kendrick and Yeah, just like it popped off and a lot of it was controversial of like. Some people were like yo, this is amazing, this is great. Like I wear is a song.
Speaker 3:And then there's some people they were like this is scary, like fuck, this is ruining music. Some people were like yo, eminem hasn't sounded this hard in years. And then some people were like Eminem would never say some corny shit like that, so it's like the controversy was what was driving it. And Yeah, i mean it's uh, it's probably like 1.3 million views and I went from like 300. I started Facebook page, maybe like six months ago or a year ago, just to have another platform, and I went from like 300 followers to like 1.6 thousand, like almost all the fuck did you feel?
Speaker 3:You know it's good when your pages are growing. Obviously like anything I can do To skyrocket numbers and like skyrocket growth, jump versus steps is the key, because I've been stepping my whole career And it's like as you get older and just like you need to jump fast to make it in this business. Um, so I loved that my page was. I kept refreshing to be like how many followers you got. Today wake up like, oh yeah, so you read comments.
Speaker 3:Um, that's what I stopped doing, because I started looking through the comments and It's just like it was a whole lot of different things, mm-hmm. I realized like there were some people that were saying that they liked it and maybe I was thinking, okay, this is good or whatever. And then there were some people they were saying like this is not as good as they would do it, and I started thinking like well, i got into this little Shit nothing to do with me, man, i just make the music, put it out and I'm on to the next one.
Speaker 3:I don't give a fuck. If you think it's better than some rapper 20 years, i don't care. So I stopped reading the comments because of that. It started like making me almost like Second guess myself or think about certain things, and it's just like at the end of the day, i don't even know who the fuck these people are but which you just say I want to.
Speaker 1:I want to jump on you real fast. You said you don't read the comments.
Speaker 3:I stopped reading the comments.
Speaker 1:I was reading the comments, but there was, i mean there was don't you want the like when you put out your hit song? don't you want the feedback from fans Like, so is this good?
Speaker 3:So, yes, but I wasn't getting feedback based on the song was good or not. I was getting feedback based on people thought AI would. It was like Their opinion on what they were commenting wasn't didn't reflect their opinion on me a lot of the time. It was like AI is scary and we need to stop this and fuck that guy who made this song. So it's like you're not really mad at me, like me.
Speaker 3:It's not me personally, it's not me purse and I started thinking. And then there were some people that were like saying it's better than Eminem. We're cinnamon em. At the end of the day, i'm like you, just being creative, i gotta not compare.
Speaker 3:It is like if I start start thinking along those lines, next time I go to write I'll try to be extra lyrical. It's just like stop that man, don't listen to what the fuck is on the internet or saying just do what you think is good And at the end of the day, if that's what I do, i'll be fine.
Speaker 1:You will find your audience.
Speaker 2:You just gotta leave the comments to people that don't want to comment. I, like I'll let people go back and forth with each other in the comment.
Speaker 3:Oh, there was a lot.
Speaker 2:I look at the comments, Oh it's fun to watch back and forth, when I post all the time and I just sit there and watch it. Yeah. I ain't comment on nothing.
Speaker 1:I remember the watch speaking on that. You were saying little jumps, little jumps. We were doing this for Maybe a year and a half a year and a half before we finally caught one, and that was when I think that one to Now it's like 3.3 million It's going to talk about. it was the sex lady was it Instagram. Yes.
Speaker 3:Instagram, real.
Speaker 1:Instagram real shit, 3.3 million, like 900,000 comments. And then I was like, oh, we have to keep this thing fucking rolling.
Speaker 3:It's like I said, man, it's tough to get there. Then, once you get there, it's like well, wait, we got something. Now We got to go three times as hard.
Speaker 1:Then it started happening more and more and I'm not going. Viral. That the radio and that was.
Speaker 2:That was old, actually, that came before the one at rent Bible first, yep, that went by one. Then somebody else went through our page and picked her out And that's you know that shit was on the radio like topic of discussion.
Speaker 3:Wow and also you make a great point. The song that went viral for me, or that AI post that song is two years old And you said your post was not new. I feel like you. You asked me something about what would I say to younger I'm myself when I was younger don't get so caught up in like this release. Putting it out now needs to get this right now, or else it's a failure, because I repurpose a song that was two years ago. You guys repurpose content that was old and it did well. Now Sometimes the timing of it isn't exactly how you think. So like yeah, man, it's not everything's a failure just because it didn't do something at a specific time but do you think that comes at a detriment?
Speaker 1:because Somebody could put out a song now first on air, put out viral hit. Yeah, they didn't go through the steps of just doing it, so now they're only conscious.
Speaker 3:Mind knows I make hits and I mean the way I see and I've seen a lot of that happen A lot of those artists that aren't really meant for that life, they just wind a loft. you know, it's like, like I said, man, it's tough to get there, but to state to be Kendrick Lamar or Kobe Bryant where you're at the top for like 10 years straight, like that's damn near impossible, oh fuck, yeah. but because how many people have made a hit song that went pot? They went viral and then their next three or four songs didn't catch your attention and you never heard of them again.
Speaker 2:You can put out. That's what I mean when I said earlier. You can put out anything. Yeah, if They like it. At the moment It's going bump for the moment, yeah, but can you put it out again?
Speaker 1:and again and again and again Yep.
Speaker 2:No, and then can you put it out again, and again, and again and not sound the same to the point. People don't get bored.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like a great example of that is like the baby.
Speaker 2:I was about to say the baby. He bumped, he bumped, but every song sounded alike, to the point I needed the words to start to know what song it was.
Speaker 1:Yep, is it his voice?
Speaker 2:It's the. He stated the same box. Yeah, he was in a box.
Speaker 3:Be choice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like for like two albums, like he was in a box.
Speaker 3:You know, the only time that he really stayed away from it was when he started talking about getting deep, about like his brother that had passed, yeah, someone that committed suicide in his family, and at that time I was like, oh, he's, he's, he has more.
Speaker 2:He has more, he definitely has talent, but like it was definitely like repetitive, the same thing over and over and I got tired of listening to yep, and there's like a.
Speaker 3:There's a Like what's the word I'm looking for? There's like a point of where that's either a good thing or a bad thing, because once you find the formula, you roll with it right. But what really matters is the audience and how the people are perceiving it. And if you, if you, overdo it, it becomes counterproductive, because you and I were both in the same boat of like I fuck with the baby. I like all of his music, but, like at a certain point. I'm just gonna go back to the first songs that I liked, if they're all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like his first few songs that came out we can't say this because Eminem, everybody, the first two, three albums in the number least fire. In a moment M changed and started doing songs of the honor and started switching. Hey, oh, i missed the old M.
Speaker 2:You've gotta find the formula that works for you and that's his formula. Eminem's formula works and he should have kept it because he had stats to prove that it was still working.
Speaker 1:But the baby did the same thing.
Speaker 2:Baby started dying off. His stats proved that he was dying off when he released that last album. That shit did not Like it was also like saying hateful shit.
Speaker 3:Yes, it's the baby. The baby started dying off like.
Speaker 2:So it's different. Eminem, he was the same. He provided the same content for years, but everybody loved it. Sales were continuous. It was going up. At no point did everybody say I'm tired of hearing the same old lyricist, eminem, i ain't listening to him no more. No, we were waiting for the next lyrical thing to drop from him. Yeah, that was his niche, he was a lyricist but what if he wants to do something else? That's fine, he can do it, you can't say he's trash.
Speaker 2:now I'm not gonna say you're trash. I'm just gonna say that wasn't what I was used to. Maybe I wasn't feeling it, because I am used to Kendrick the Pippa butterfly was completely different from Mad City and people said oh, I hate this that's the album of all time, any genre.
Speaker 3:Deadass, not joking, that's how I feel. But You can change your approach. That doesn't mean that people are gonna like it, like if I. If the baby's doing the same thing over good, i'm sorry, all right, we're time for something different. If he gives me something I don't like as much, sorry man, you just got further from the goal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like you have to Go back in the lab and reformulate that formula. Something about that new formula didn't work. So take the old formula that was working and tweak it a different way.
Speaker 3:And it doesn't mean that he's not talented, even if he comes out with a song that I don't like. I'm not like he's a bad artist, it just means like that didn't click for me. I think someone who Oh Wow.
Speaker 3:I think Drake does a really good job of like. He flowed into different genres and pockets of music and none of it felt forced. And that's like we talked about how I try to be diverse. It's the same concept of like I want to give people new styles and new flows, but it always has to click. Like I would never like make a rock song and I don't really like it, but I just want to do it, just because it, because it has to feel. But if I made a rock song and I fucked with it and you guys were like this stick with hip-hop, but I liked it, like, i loved it, i would, i would put it out because it's got a click so you can try new styles. What?
Speaker 2:Eminem did, didn't click.
Speaker 3:Mike, fuck with it what Eminem's Eminem's knew like when he, like, unfortunately, progressed off of being on drugs and being like a shitty change his music didn't click anymore and like You're free to change at any point, but you got to understand that with that change you might lose people, you might, you might gain a totally new audience, and it's a.
Speaker 1:It's a, it's a gain, or it might be a loss, like You were saying earlier and I'm gonna bring this to the full circle with Drake when Drake does. House album when he drops the house or he does dance hall. He used this random ass accent.
Speaker 2:Everybody was waiting for Drake to drop that album. They was waiting that was supposed to be some fire and then when everybody found out it was like down dance hall house music.
Speaker 1:Everybody was like but then it grew on One people. But then you get these comments that say, but I feel like you're taking artists, taking their flow And then you're not promoting. You said, oh, i've dabbled in dance hall. Yeah, people are gonna look at you from the black community, from shit, it's hip hop, largely black community are gonna look at you and say, just fucking white boy, what the fuck are you doing?
Speaker 3:That's fair to look at it that way. The way I look at it is like if I have something that I can bring to the table, that's good and it's real. I never, obviously, like when it comes to the black culture, i have to pay homage. I would never claim to take anything that I didn't actually take. I would Give credit for where the inspiration came from. But if I can bring something positive to the table, i don't think I should feel bad about that. You know saying like maybe I didn't come from a certain place or it didn't go the same Way I did for somebody else. But as long as I'm not like profiting off of somebody else and I'm bringing something true to the table, if I'm bringing something real That hasn't really been brought to the table, i think it's a good thing.
Speaker 1:That's just how I like it. You think from your, from both y'all. Do y'all think for white rappers? There are a lot of black artists gatekeep, because when they do different genres or whatever, it's fine, but when a white artist jumps in the rap, it's automatically like oh, i feel like you're stealing our culture. You don't know anything about our culture. Like whoa, whoa, this is. It went past the point of oh, i'm a good lyricist, i make good songs. Now I got a. I got a check in like we want the streets. I got a check in one niggas because I'm good at rap. That's crazy.
Speaker 2:Authenticity, true self, like he said. If you, if that's who you are, then I can accept that. But if it seems so ungenuine, like you jumped into this, like okay, you started rapping, but you jumped into the whole rap culture and became this Person and that's not you, that's the issue.
Speaker 2:Mmm but if that's you, then that's you. Cool like Eminem when he's dropped on the scene. Short people had the same effect. Who is this white motherfucker trying to rap? but then you listen to him, so okay, then you realize that that is actually who he is.
Speaker 1:He's not somebody trying to this plan of role play this role of.
Speaker 2:I'm a rapper and I've been through this struggle or whatever The case may be like. That's who he is. The things that he writes are true to himself. It's it's just happens to be rap and it just happens to be something that we can relate to or that fits in the genre. That's just what it's gonna be. So it's no shade to any Artist of another color or ethnicity that wants to join rap. It's just being true to yourself in what rap is. So don't try to join rap and be like every other rapper, because you see that's what rap is. If you rap, then you rap. Rap like how you rap, not the Dexma fucker.
Speaker 1:Do you feel like the bar is higher for you, the expectation of just you being a white rapper? do you feel like that bar for you to be good is just it's not where everybody else is? but like, oh okay, you stepping into the game, you have to be good now.
Speaker 3:I think the expectation is that I'm worse, rather than like they expect more. They actually expect less is what I've gotten in my experience Is that like, if you don't necessarily look like a rapper, some people can't even fathom that you could be one, and then when you rap for them, it's like whoa, he wasn't joking, it's like no. So I feel like I've gotten a lot of that of like surprised like whoa, you're not totally horrible, yeah. So I almost feel like the bar has been set lower And the fact that you're just like not bad is like oh, look at you, you're actually like serious. You know, at least in my experience, most people like, especially starting out, just don't expect anything.
Speaker 1:You know I used to.
Speaker 3:I remember I used to be on the corner of Towson. Some nights, like Fridays and Saturdays, everyone go up and me and my homies that were like in a group would just rap for people just on the side of the road And like people would be like you know I would start rapping and they'd be like would, and it's just because people don't expect it. You know people don't think that you could do that, so I don't people putting boxes on you. What you gonna do, i don't know.
Speaker 1:Who motivates you right now, like being a team on anybody. Who motivates you when you're having these down days, when shit is going terrible. Song didn't go right. You creatively just not there. Who was that person for you?
Speaker 3:That's a great question. I think recently I've been leaning on like my team, my manager and some of my other video guys and, just being real, you said, if it's a down day, if it is a down day, i'm just like having people that you can express yourself, to invent to and also like build from that. Like what is taking me down? How can we, what can we do to get there Whether it's just talking about it or planning things out to physically do take actionable steps to get past it.
Speaker 3:The team is like has been big on me because I'm such an independent dude that I try to do everything myself. And when it comes to a day where you need someone else's help or you need to talk to someone or just like express something to someone, like you need close people around you, i feel like the people that I've been leaning on have been like my close friends and my team In terms of who inspires me, just people that I see in a position that I wanna be, people that are doing a full time, like no regrets, diving into it all in. Sometimes it's not even about like followers or money, like it could be someone who's on the same level as me, but I just see their work ethic is crazy and they're devoted to it And they're like nothing is gonna stop this person. That inspires me probably even more than the person that already made it, because it's almost like we're running together and they're-.
Speaker 1:You understand.
Speaker 3:I gotta keep up, you know. So the people that are truly bringing something cool to the table, bringing different, like creative concepts, different types of music that is not just basic, like it's something that's really peaking my attention and they're working hard, dropping content. I follow a few people and their content is so creative Like they'll have a song. In the way that they hook people into, like just introducing a song is like damn. It's some classics like TikTok, reels Hooks. But I'm really inspired by other people that are in my situation that are just killing it, that are just like or maybe not killing it, but they're working super hard and I know they're gonna kill it. You know this, i have such a good eye for that. When I see people that are gonna make it, i try to link with them. Sometimes it's just a matter of time before they blow up. It's like let's do something.
Speaker 1:I see that the way this can go, yep.
Speaker 3:Exactly.
Speaker 1:Well, before we get out of here, man, anything else you wanna ask?
Speaker 2:for What's next, what we got to look forward to from you.
Speaker 1:Out in the boonies.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I got a bunch of songs dropping this summer. I'm like kind of on like a singles way right now. I'm just like making a whole lot of music in rather than trying to like attach it to one album that I'm like saving up for. I'm just making tracks and putting them out and doing a lot of collaborations with people at Mount Envy out in the boonies. So we got at least a couple Mount Envy collabs coming this summer. I got I'm going to New York this week and to shoot a video for a new song, So that'll probably be the next one that comes out. So be able to look out for that music video in New York City.
Speaker 1:Oh shit, that's your first time in New York. No, It's not.
Speaker 3:No, no, no, But it's the first time in a little bit. Every once in a while you just like gotta pull up You gotta pull up Gotta have some fun and then go back home.
Speaker 1:And shout out to you for saying something really important. Networking in any line of work is very very.
Speaker 3:How did I get here today? Tell them.
Speaker 1:How he got here today was he came into the DM and networked with me and said hey, da, da da, I'm gonna be in Baltimore, Maryland. I like your content, Let's do something Cool. I don't say no to anybody. He says no to nobody. No, it would be the biggest page to the fucking a thousand followers Because, like you were saying, you might not have as many as me or the reach that I have, but that don't mean you ain't dope as fuck. That just means you're on a come up.
Speaker 3:Facts And with the nature of this beast you can have. Somebody comes in here with a hundred followers is the most interesting motherfucker ever And it's just dropping gems left and right that are just viral moments. That's gonna help you way more than somebody is boring. It comes in with 50,000 followers.
Speaker 1:I have learned during this that even with my guy Chaz and content complex, you know it This when I first started, people ask it's like you when you first started out rapping. Oh well, where's the money coming in? Oh, do you make money? You learn in this line of work that the network you build with getting in touch with these people, having their numbers, i have something that's worth more than money. I could reach out to artists or a producer have something quick. I could go to our event space, pay nothing, reach out for it quick. I could know that you have this thing going on out in the mountains.
Speaker 3:And I do talk about it.
Speaker 2:You don't miss fuck.
Speaker 1:I know he's a Marcus. I just need to. I just need somebody to hear it. I know I'm dope. Say less, shoot it to you, who knows where that's gonna take him. simply off the basis of all I had to do was answer to him.
Speaker 3:Exactly, that's it. It's like the way I look at it is who knows you is important Or, i'm sorry, who you know is important. Who knows you is the most important, right, like what you know. Okay, who you know important. Who knows you is the most important, Because if you know me then we can make things happen, Whereas, like, I might know you but you don't know me, so I can't go on your podcast, But if you know me I can come on the podcast. It's like leverage kinda. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:And I listened to this and will watch this. You have given me so much content that I can't wait to put the fuck out. I did not know what I was gonna get from you today. All of my friends I was like, hey, i'm gonna have this guy on there. They said this fucking guy, this motherfucker I sit. And I sat in the house and was talking to my friends. They was like are you sure you fucking wanna do this Like him? Think about it.
Speaker 1:I was like is something sure about that. I said you know what? I don't know what it is about this guy, but it is something about him. He is creative. He's different as fuck. I want to.
Speaker 3:You know what? hopefully it is. This is what I hope, cause I think this is kind of a superpower of mine, or hopefully I wanna turn it into more of a superpower. It's like going for what you want. I know what I want out of that conversation. I know exactly what it was. I'm not afraid to ask for it If you don't want that, cool. But if I didn't ask I'm not doing shit. So it goes back to the first thing you said about like being afraid to put out a song, or like you just gotta put it out. It's the same as the DM. It's like you just gotta do shit and not think about the repercussions. It's like what do you want? Go for it, stop. Like don't create obstacles in your head. It's more simple than you think it is.
Speaker 1:I want content. I wanna expand.
Speaker 3:I see a dope organization that's doing it. Boom, let's do something. It's that simple. Now. Working is everything.
Speaker 1:Now, working is everything. Listen, man, this has been another lovely fire episode. I was gonna have a freestyle for you, but I ain't wanna let his gems drop like that.
Speaker 3:Aw shit.
Speaker 1:But y'all know where to find this man. Y'all will see us at the AFRAM this weekend. Man, media section, we coming up, so check us out at the AFRAM. Man, this is your boy, two-depple king, your favorite, leo, i'm gonna go ahead. Guess we'll host.
Speaker 2:Y'all already know it's Brex and I'm back.
Speaker 1:She's back and we have the talent. If you make it to the mountain, please tag it, because I'm like I fuck did it. I'm gonna take the credit. Man, show people where they can find you at.
Speaker 3:It's your boy, Brex creation. man, That's BRE creation. My music available on Spotify, Apple, YouTube. Find me on Instagram Brex creation, BRE creation.
Speaker 1:You know what it is, and his pullout game is strong, ladies.
Speaker 3:Immaculate.
Speaker 1:Hey, yeah, flawless. Check us out on the next one. Undefeated, i haven't lost yet I've lost some battles. Listen, check us out on the next one. Man, this has been another lovely dope episode. And shout out to my guy once again Any music creators, podcasts, whatever you got Shout out to Content Complex with my guy Chaz. He will make sure your shit looks amazing. He's taking on the role, i'm taking him on the role, but y'all find out about that shortly. Check us out on the next podcast, man, this has been a good one.
Speaker 3:Boonies In the boonies, you did amazing. Yes, sir.