Aqua Bluffana - Aqua Tofana and the Mozart Conspiracy

The Bluffers are joined by Niamh this week. Can they solve the mystery of Mozart’s death? What part did Santa Claus play in the grizzly affair? 

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Transcript

Speaker 1 0:01

And then ready? One, two, three. I heard. No one else got there. That's what happened? I collapsed. I clapped the out of that. We clapped. So in sync that you couldn't hear it, it's like when you can't hear the metronome, right? Okay. Better be. Okay. So we had to start again by the way, because I did what seems to be a thing I do all the time and I didn't remember that's the thing. So some people say that would be better. Not me though. Ames a submarine. Me Darth Vader, Reba.[inaudible]

Speaker 2 0:50

We've been criticized. Kathy, why don't we call it feedback? Other people would call it criticism. At least we're not sensitive artists. We don't explain who we are and why we do what we do. So we're going to do that whole like welcome to opera Bluffs. Okay, fine. Go, go ahead. No, you go welcome to opera Bluffs with me, Catherine Young and me and today we have special guest of honor. Our favorite guest guest steamed. Yeah. I'm Neve Collins. The of is my sister also our lawyer and our lawyer. All legal matters should go through your niece, Kathy. This is the blurb you wrote for us. Ready? Oh, ready to ill prepared idiots, try and remember stuff. They were taught 15 years ago. Perfect. That sums up who we are. I totally love that guys. Except that you still haven't said the word opera school detail for school. Okay. Fine. We did opera school backstory. Yeah. I don't think the board Academy would be very proud of that alumni. Is it possible to lay on alumni? Someone? Yeah. Denim, NY EMA will have our operatic licenses taken away. We will come here. It's like that guy Beethoven tried to Neve Beethoven once, um, dedicated this violent scenario to someone. What was his name? Catholic can't remember this, uh, virtuosic, like, um, he said something about his like girlfriend or whatever. Socially I Beethoven and dedicated it to him. I like that amount of pettiness. That's good.

Speaker 3 3:00

So we should dedicate these to people who should we dedicate this one to? How about bandit?

Speaker 2 3:06

Oh yeah. Well, bandit crapped earlier and undereducated. I, another one can still smell it through two closed doors. I know that's wow.

Speaker 3 3:23

I'm Pat news. I've signed up to about, um, four puppy waiting lists. Cause I am desperate for a dog. I've abandoned one of my dogs in the UK. So Rocky is, um, with my parents and I miss him every day. And uh, he's a terrible conversation. It's on the phone. So you can't really get the same quality relationship with a duck from 5,000 miles away. It turns out anyway. So I'm on about a million billion lists to get a new puppy.

Speaker 2 3:50

It's not happening. It's not happening. You have to fit in so many forms as well. That's true. So annoying. Oh, just give me the dog.

Speaker 3 3:59

I know what I'm doing with dogs as well. It's, I'm very trustworthy apart from abandoning them. You know,

Speaker 2 4:04

That's a joke. Very much a joke. I would never have laughed. Like that's cool. It's not cool. I feel like we should do a disclaimer for every episode. Oh no. It's so true. Take everything. Listen, there's been coffee smokes of wine drunk probably before recordings. Don't anything we say?

Speaker 3 4:26

I wasn't really sure. I wasn't really sure how to prepare for being a guest on this podcast. So I drank some beer. I thought that was

Speaker 2 4:36

Okay. Perfect. Cause uh, yes, because I'll need your razor sharp mind for all of the things I'm about to do

Speaker 3 4:43

Actually. Um, I did get one criticism for the last episode that I was in that I didn't tell you about. And I'm not sure how we can fix this, but apparently IMR you and I sound the same and that's confusing. I know no one has ever said that before to me. Yeah. That's really funny.

Speaker 2 5:02

That is really funny. I can't tell, I don't talk on it. It's like Kathy and the twins. So what are we going to talk about? Just then

Speaker 3 5:18

We have a list of little tiny list of facts

Speaker 2 5:20

Checking. Um, so we, so fact checking

Speaker 3 5:25

Farinelli was not the last castrato Farinelli was a very, very famous and good castrato but he was not the last one. And then what else was there?

Speaker 2 5:33

Oh, I have one. So I made a joke. Sorry. It didn't make a joke. It wasn't a joke. It was deadly serious when I read it. So, you know, when I Googled, um, castrati penises, I don't remember that. What came up? Apparently you, Nick penises came up. So cause strategies were like cats. They only have the bowls taken away. Like they get sliced open. The bits could take an and so back up again. So they actually have both sex. There's just nothing in them. So that's the strategy. That's key strategies. Unix have everything chopped up. Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 6:06

They have everything off. I couldn't see your photos last time, mate. That's perfect.

Speaker 2 6:09

No one should ever see those photos. Quite frankly. It's awful. I know. I feel like that should be on the dark web, wherever the that is. Do you know what I mean? Nobody needs to see that like yeah. Those poor anyway, so yeah, so castrati was not a UNIC. I got that really wrong. Uh, yeah. And what else, what else did I get wrong? Quite a lot. Probably

Speaker 3 6:33

Nothing that matters. Nothing of any import?

Speaker 2 6:36

Yes, you're right. That's it? Everything else was gold. Oh fact, you could put us in your thesis.

Speaker 3 6:42

You could accept that. I did say that singing handle was much easier than singing. Anything else that was said in jest? That's not true. All singing is hard, terribly difficult and amazing. Thank you. Goodbye. Yeah. Sorry to be so offensive. Who are we going to defend this week then?

Speaker 2 7:04

Uh, yeah, no, by the way, let's try men. I'm going to offend men this week. Um,

Speaker 3 7:11

I think that's probably the core audience for us. That's 17th century singers. So yeah. Let's alienate the hell out of them. Yeah.

Speaker 2 7:21

Fine. Okay. You ready from a story then?

Speaker 3 7:24

Yes. What was Neve about to say? Oh, uh, I was just gonna say, cause you were talking about Unix. Um, the only opera that I really know very well, what do you think might've come up before in a previous episode? Um, is the magic flute. And so, right right now, I'm trying really hard not to sing, um, that bit where he's like, I I'm a man, I'm not a unique as well in the English version. Obviously

Speaker 2 7:54

The shadows recording of it. Nia, you became obsessed with that was when we used to sing in the car. Would you just say the shadows? Sandoz recording.

Speaker 3 8:05

Okay. Sorry. I was like, excuse me. Not Irish, traditional singing.[inaudible] river dance in there too. That'd be amazing.

Speaker 2 8:18

Mozart intended. Yeah. Well I'm meant to be, do you know the Celtic angels? Yeah,

Speaker 3 8:26

No, no. I haven't either. I'm going to go and see them in the beginning of December in Tampa. So

Speaker 2 8:31

You're going to hate that. You know that right. I was going to love it. It was it a gift you're going to absolutely love it. It's going to be a magic, magical experience. It's like that one time that I got Katherine Jenkins tickets. Yeah. As you said of paying me. Oh my God. Yeah. Actually that's not. It was actually a pal of mine who I feel that it should remain completely anonymous because I can't out this particular person who felt like they had to go and then dragged me along. Yeah. Oh

Speaker 3 9:07

Payment. Cause you're like, I'm not paying you actual money. That would make you successful like this lady. But you have to go and watch her.

Speaker 2 9:15

It's very enjoyable. To be honest. I know that's terrific. I actually, I didn't hate it, but I was really drunk

Speaker 1 9:23

And I remember it really well

Speaker 2 9:26

Got a great time. We were in[inaudible]

Speaker 1 9:30

And yeah, I don't say those big shows. Like they are very entertaining.

Speaker 2 9:34

Yeah. That was pretty spectacular. Yeah, exactly. Like, yeah. I'm going to probably cut the sex. I don't want to be mean to Katherine Jenkins. There chasm dragons. You're a multimillionaire. Yeah. You are a hero quite frankly, because you're a singer who made millions of parents.

Speaker 3 9:52

She probably wasn't being paid with other people's shows.

Speaker 1 10:00

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Speaker 2 10:05

Now slight disclaimer, on my story before we start so that I can't be hung. This was one of the most confusing things I've ever looked into in terms of like, uh, historical, like, uh, recordings of this particular thing that I'm going to tell you about entry. Yeah. So I'm going to give you the version that I believe in my heart to be the most true. Wonderful. Yes. And now this story starts somewhere else. So you've had any other building up the atmosphere we have. I want you to do you know this tune, Kathy? I know you already know this play chain. Cause you've ruined it last week where we had to bring Nivon to say nothing. Are you ready?

Speaker 1 10:57

Oh, am I allowed to talk? Yes. So what if we told you it was by um, Oh God. Okay. I know I'm supposed to be the lay person that doesn't know anything, but I feel like what I'm about to say is really stupid. Is this the lion King at all? Oh Jesus[inaudible] will tell you now in a minute it's bright Mozart news from the Requiem and what happens? Tell me what happens here.

Speaker 3 11:47

So I actually know the answer to this, so I'm not going to be just me. Yeah. I'm going to be able to give you the

Speaker 2 11:54

Reaction. She definitely doesn't know the thing, you know?

Speaker 3 11:57

Do I, do I know, go on. It's written by a different person.

Speaker 2 12:03

Yes, yes. But what happened at that particular moment? Did Mozart die? Yes. Yeah. The. Did I not know this? I don't know me. Well, do you know who? All right. Smarty pants is. Do you know who finished it? No. Let me wait. Let me try it in my mid twenties. That'd be funny in an audio format. No, we wouldn't do it. All right. You ready?

Speaker 3 12:34

And there was no way to do it. It's a, it's a German name. A German name. Okay.

Speaker 2 12:40

Sounds like, but no P

Speaker 3 12:48

Oh see

Speaker 2 12:52

If the P is an S SOC second syllable.

Speaker 3 12:59

Uh, they wear a thing around their necks. Cause then, then they like a monk, like a fryer. No, no like an elected official or a mayor. Yeah. Nope.

Speaker 2 13:27

[inaudible] I think that's brilliant. That is excellent. Okay. Right now. So maybe if you correctly guessed Percy man, that yes. That it was finished by a guy called right now. I, if I was nanny way, gave a. I might've looked into a Mayer and found out anything about them because I feel a bit sad that he finished this. No one cares. Um, but I didn't, that's not why I went right. Where I did go. However, is Mozart's final words to his wife were, come on. SmartPath Kathy, who knows everything about money, but his wife was called core stance. No, that doesn't help you here. So it's just a character. It was no, no, no. It was Cassandra. Yeah. Um, she was the cousin of the woman that Mozart actually really wanted to marry. Yeah, I know. Yeah. So that's for another day, another day is story. Um, anyway, Mozart was quoted on his death bed saying, I know I must die. Someone has given me Aqua Tofana

Speaker 3 14:38

Sounds like the Tasco and the table water. You guys in Italy.

Speaker 2 14:43

Probably isn't. Yeah. So I was like, what the is Aqua to Fana, right? Yes. So Juliana Tofino was born in 16, 20. She was the daughter of two Fania. D'Adamo uh, that's it full stop the end. Okay. To funny yet the demo was famous because she was executed in 1633 for murdering her husband. Okay. Yes. Uh, she murdered him by poisoning him with arsenic. Ah. Oh, wow. So in the, so after 1633, uh, Julia moved to from Sicily where they were based in Palermo to Naples Napoli, Napoli, and she set up shop now Julia was pretty hunt good-looking right. So she turned heads. Life was pretty easy. Breezy.

Speaker 3 15:57

Have you been to Naples? Have you been, you've been to Italy. Think all you need to have in Italy to turn ahead is a pulse boobs, boobs, maybe boobs. I'm not even sure. Boobs pulse. Oh, that's very rude of me. That's very offensive, but it's also my lived experience. So can I tell you a story about Italian friend of mine? I guess I took him to a party, uh, and uh, we kind of went our separate ways talking to different people. And about 40 minutes in, he came up to me and he was like, okay, we have to leave now. And I was like, Oh, um, well I'm not really ready to leave. And he was like, no, we have to leave. I flirted with every girl prior to now and now we have to go somewhere else. We have to leave because I'm embarrassed myself. Or I need new women to flirt with. I imagine a bit of both. Like it didn't, it would, none of it worked and now we have to go elsewhere. Wow. That is strong game though. That's a run through a part of that quickly because I've managed it. It's like 10 minutes now. That's not true. I don't flirt. Sorry. EMA.

Speaker 2 17:00

Okay. So grumpy. Oh, sorry. Let's go back to the story. She was so, so what was her name? Julia. Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 17:14

Keeping up. So Juliet, the daughter of Titania

Speaker 2 17:19

Turn, turning lights, super sexy.

Speaker 3 17:21

I'm taking notes. I'm taking notes, such a lawyer. She will need that for our defense, especially when Italy sees us.

Speaker 2 17:34

Thanks Kathy. Anyway, so anyway, Julia was super sexy and that got her lots of places. Right. Got her a bit of a headstart. She also managed to like super sexy flirt her way into like out with all the, the recalled apothecaries yes. Pharmacists basically. Yeah. So she was just chilling with all them dinner saying, um, and then she, and she set up, uh, she was a young widow. She had a daughter called, what was it called? Um, Girolami Spira. That's easy. Beautiful. Um, that was her daughter and uh, yeah, they were just chilling it. She owned a cosmetic shop and, and she sold lots of things from it. Uh, mainly face powders and um, eye drops made of, uh, what are they called made of? Oh no, no, no.

Speaker 1 18:38

So the powder was made of that there summit that was led in there.

Speaker 2 18:42

Yes, it was, it was made of lead and arsenic. Yeah. But that was normal. Everyone was putting led nice look on their face to make them paler. That was like what it was. But, um, but also at the time ladies are fashion and money. We're putting, um, nightshade, what's that called? In other terms, uh, what what's nitrate or poisonous flower or something I've met Bella. Donna. Bella Dona. Yeah. So if you were a lady of like fashion and leisure and wanted to be a bit sexier, you would put a bit of Belladonna in your eyes to make them, uh, dilute. And yes. So 16th century with a bit of arsenic led on their faces and then bell down in the rise. Uh, anyway in, um, this was great. Everything was going really well. And for 20 years, uh, Juliana had a really, really successful business selling cosmetics to grandiose ladies. And it's nice because she was a widow.

Speaker 1 19:53

She was free to

Speaker 2 19:55

Do whatever she wanted. So she like, like living her best life in 1659, Julia was arrested. That's not true. 60, 59, Julia got wind that she was about to be around and legged it to a church first sanctuary. And I was arrested for what Julia was being accused of was, uh, poisoning to death. 600 men, 600 men. Yeah. That's quicker than your boy in the party. Yes. That's over 20 years, apparently Juliana or Julia Juliana. Why do I always change the names? I've read through the story. Uh, Julia was accused of, um, killing 600 men now, Julia wasn't alone in her did Linda Price. Right? So Julia, so w how they reckoned, she got killing. All these people was that Julia was a bit of a social justice fighter, so to speak. So like, if you were like, if you were a woman in the 17th century, you had like, what were your choices? Marriage, none widow, prostitute, whatever sex worker. Right. So she's a sex worker. And so these were your choices. So if you didn't want to be a sex worker or a nun, you got married, but you were probably married really young. Yes. So one of the women accused of using Julia's services had married her 45 year old husband at 13. Oh, wow. Yeah. He didn't treat her very nicely. So she went and got a bit of makeup. Um, Oh,

Speaker 3 21:42

Does she like our snuck her eyes and then cry on him or something?

Speaker 2 21:46

No, no, no. So what happened to close though? Actually close. What would happen was ladies would go into the shop and they would buy a special powder. It was very ornate looking that they could just keep out anywhere and they would take pieces of this powder and put it into the drinks and or meals of their husbands. This is if you did it slowly enough, if you did it really quickly, people shot themselves to death and everyone knew arsenic poisoned them. Right. Cause apparently arsenic gives you explosive crap. Oh yeah. So you have to do it over a long period of time, right? Yeah. So Juliette was like, there's only one way out of this. There is no divorce. We're all Catholic. The only way out of this is let's poison it last week. So women would flock to her shop and buy her like poisoned goods and then go home and do the deal.

Speaker 3 22:40

Like, am I jumping the gun here? Or did like, Julia know what she was? Was Julia just like, these are just my makeup products. Or was she like, ha you know, wink, wink. No, no, no. It's like, did Julia know that people were poisoning their husbands with her products? Was it

Speaker 2 22:57

Yes, of course she did. She was making it. No, no, no. She was making it. So Julia managed to, so it is said that Julia got the perfect recipe for this, from her mum to Fannie or cause to Fania, just so happens to have also poisoned her husband. So Julia from hanging out with her alchemists or whatever they're called and her mum apothecaries managed to concoct the perfect solution that would kill someone slowly and undetectable so that they wouldn't themselves or whatever, whatever talking about the death. Um, I mean, they'd shoot themselves eventually, but slowly, whatever. So she had a couple of product ranges, right. This is where it gets mental. So, Oh, this is where it gets fun. So you had your like basic product range. So you had like your puffs and your eyedrops boots don't forget. Yeah. Right. But you also had, um, Holy vials. Yeah. Right from the, um, it's called right. I'm going to have to give me a second. Cause I don't want to get this wrong. Cause I'm so bored of getting everything wrong. Right. Okay. Ready? So she used to sell on the side as well as her powdered makeup and her eyedrops. She would sell manera de San Nicola. Right. Which is the water of St. Nick.

Speaker 3 24:28

We, what is it? We, we know

Speaker 2 24:30

Nearly we actually tomorrow. So, uh, so this is a cool story and St. Nicholas being SoundCloud. Yeah. So yeah. All the tears, it wasn't the tears. It was actually the bone juice by the way of St. Charles Santa. I don't think you should do their marketing mate. Lovely bone juice and Santa's bone juice. Yeah. So how does anyone else give a? How Santa Claus got to Italy? Yeah.

Speaker 3 24:57

How did he get there? I thought he was from a North.

Speaker 2 25:00

No turns out. Actually he say, Nicholas, I didn't know this either. This is really, so it sounds class is originally from Myra, which is in Turkey, modern day Turkey. I think, I feel like I might've heard that somewhere. Yeah. Actually you've no idea how he ended up. He ended up in Sweden or wherever he was

Speaker 3 25:18

Different things. So there was a Saint Nicholas, which is Santa, but then there's always that, you know, there's the pre like pagan Santa before that, the

Speaker 2 25:25

Other St. Nicholas, he wasn't saying,

Speaker 3 25:28

Yeah, he wasn't Saint Nicholas. He was like my father Christmas before father Christmas,

Speaker 2 25:34

Saint Nicholas. If he's not sander was born in the fourth century,

Speaker 3 25:38

It was very bloody wasn't he didn't he kill those people?

Speaker 2 25:42

No, honestly, I don't know when he died, they like kept his remains his Holy relics. Right. But then Turkey was taken over by like Muslim power or whatever. And the Italians were like, Oh the Catholic Italians panicked. Um, and went and got him and like buried him in Italy. And then what happened was this really pungent, sweet smells, started to come out of the two. So they juiced him. No. Right. I know this liquid, all of this liquid started like leaking out of the coffin and they started to collect it. And it was said that anyone who touched it, it cured all of their problems. So they started, so they started selling these vials of Santa's bone juice, because that's what they said would happen that the water would seep into his bones. And then all of his, like, I don't know, that's disgusting, whatever was left of it, banks. Right. So cure all. And they would sparkle it in small vials with Sante on it and sell it. And they sold it right up until 1953, of course, because they did so in 16, whatever, this was a really big deal. So if you were feeling a bit ill, you went and got your sanded juice and you drank it. So you go and buy a violet Santa stuff and give it to like your husband and be like, Oh yeah, this cures I'll have a sip of this.

Speaker 3 27:16

They were actually ingesting. Cause if you were like, this came from a tomb of a Saint, I don't know when Santa Claus was St. Nicholas.

Speaker 2 27:25

Well, Santa Claus was in three 46. Yeah.

Speaker 3 27:29

So if you're like palming off 1300 year old, uh, bone juice, what are you actually selling? Like, right.

Speaker 2 27:37

But to cross it off of that, but yeah, they didn't, the Italians didn't steal him until 10 87. That's still, Oh yeah. So by the time the Italian sold him, he was 700 years old. Wow. That's all. Yeah. Well, anyway,

Speaker 3 27:55

So go on with them, with Julia

Speaker 2 27:59

Crack. So Judy, I would also sell these magic healing vials of Saint Nicola, along with her medicine, medicine, Jesus Christ, along with her makeup. So women would like come flock there as you like 600 flocked there for 20 years in order to buy, um, makeup in order to poison their husbands and get rid of, and obviously this was a really well kept secret. They used to move around quite a bit, uh, so that they didn't get caught. But in 1919 for me, uh, and what year was it? 1960, 59. Uh, she in 1659, a your pardon? Uh, she was about to be arrested. She took sanctuary in the church, but lots of people that people tried to protect her initially because she didn't just, so she sold the poison to rich people. She had,'em like a team of ladies who would like sell it for her as well. So she had like hybrid ladies. So she had a sales team that would go around selling this stuff to women who were in unhappy marriages in the courts and whatnot. She was also, um, rumored to be a cortisone of Phillip the fourth. Oh, wow. The fourth. Yeah. So she had like lots, she was making lots of money in high circles and people trusted her because she was, well, to be honest, because she was good-looking I don't mean like, apparently like handedly that's enough. So, um, she went around, so to me, this was so they had this, like they had three people producing the poison. So making the products wow. To sell. Yeah. So big company, but the locals kept it very quiet because obviously everybody knew or was like a widow or the brother or sister or someone who like married a brute and actually were better off without him. I mean, there was, it was maybe a handful perhaps of people who did it just for the money. So they would inherit all the money and just get rid that lots and lots. It was set up as a social enterprise to get rid of abuse from women's lives because there was no divorce. Women had no choice. So either they died or he died.

Speaker 3 30:16

Wow. So when Botox said that, was he saying that he'd been poisoned by his wife?

Speaker 2 30:21

No one knows. And, and, and I suppose if he was saying that, why would his wife then tell him

Speaker 3 30:27

The last words he said to me? Yeah. I think you poisoned, but a

Speaker 2 30:36

I'll get back to that though, because there's something interesting about that. Right. So, um, so in 1659, a woman went and bought some powder offer or whatever, sounded juice, and then went home attempted to poison her husband and chickened out. So she was like, so she backed slowly and like knocked the soup, knocked the soup out of the husband's hands and then confessed to him what she'd done. Oh no.

Speaker 3 31:07

And then what happened and where

Speaker 2 31:09

She got it from? So Julia and all her like, um, like workforce or whatever workers, what are they called? Employees?

Speaker 3 31:17

Team of ladies is what you actually said earlier. According to my notes, how extensive your detailed, I will read my notes to you at the end.

Speaker 2 31:31

Um, they take refuge in this church, so no one can touch them. But then a rumor is spread really quickly. At this point, they've relocated to Rome. A rumor goes round in Rome that they've poisoned the waters and everybody panics because obviously they know how good she is. Like getting rid of people and an angry mob goes into the church and gets her. Oh, wow. So they all burned in hell. Nope. Um, I'm not sure if that's how it works. David's works. The Catholic church, if you're in sanctuary and then someone takes you out of sanctuary, do you just die in house?

Speaker 3 32:05

Um, I, that, I didn't cover that in property law this week actually. Oh, you didn't

Speaker 2 32:13

Useless. Anyway. So apparently according to me, Bernan Hill, everyone had got rid of the church, but she was taken in by the papal authorities because it was under their jurisdiction. Um, and tortured. Cause that's,

Speaker 3 32:27

That's what you did then in the chair, give him a bit of talk. Yeah.

Speaker 2 32:30

And she confessed to all of the killings and the torture under a tree.

Speaker 3 32:34

Oh, she definitely did it then. But

Speaker 2 32:38

Uh, and then her mum threw off the, she was thrown off the roof along with her daughter, the three sales, her daughter, old Lamaze spirit. Yeah. Yes. Um, her daughter, I'm not sure how old the daughter was just kind of on it. Like, to be honest, it's really difficult. And the reason it was so hard to put together was there like different, um, reports of whether it was, um, tough for Naya or whether it is Julia and whether like the stories kind of learned to one, I think deaf and I was of the same sort of like up to the same. So, um, how does this all relate to Mozart then? So, well, it relates to Mozart because Mozart, uh, there were also rumors that most of the poisoners, cause it was like a collective got away. Oh. So then throughout the next cause Mozart died a hundred years later, more than 150 years later, nearly. So because everyone said, so there was this thing called the secret magical society or the secret magic something. And because they believed that some of them got away, some of her cronies got away. Anybody who died kind of suddenly him for no reason throughout like Italy, then people assumed it was this Aqua to fan that didn't. So everyone became suspicious. So back to the Mozart thing. So Mozart himself, right. Says now there's lots of theories as to what motor died off. And like recently there was one, the latest one science tells us it's not syphilis. It was something I'd never, I'd heard of. And I don't really know what it is. They say he died off guys. Why does this always happen to me? Oh, I give up my life. Um, they say he died off streptococcal infection, sore throat. Yeah. Is that what that is? Yeah. Sore throat. And then also, apparently he might've eaten some bad pork. That's another reason he might've died. Um, so there's lots of reasons why Mozart mother died, but Mozart himself said it was because of ACQUITY. He was very dramatic. You know? Well you say this. So on the 30th of September, Mozart conducted the magic float himself 30th of September, 1791. Yeah. Write it down Neve. There will be a test. It sounds really weird. Um, and um, on the 22nd of November, Mozart took to his bed to never get up again. And on the 5th of December Mozart died right now what's more telling or what's more interesting. Is that on the manuscript for magic flute when he was totally fine, no symptoms of anything. When he conducted magic food, they found arsenic. Ooh. Yeah. So traces of arsenic were found on the manuscript of the magic flute. So Mozart might not have been that flipping far off lads as to what actually killed.

Speaker 3 36:02

It was just in the powder or whatever. Huh. There was arsenic everywhere. Wasn't there. Yeah. I like this though. My main goal. So, uh,

Speaker 2 36:12

Totally kills you. So, um, yeah. Oh, wow. So I don't think Mozart was that flipping far off, to be honest. Um, and you know, when do you know when arsenic became traceable, uh, became traceable 1920

Speaker 3 36:27

Since tested the um,

Speaker 2 36:30

Yes. So they've since tested it. So they've tested it recently to show that it had. Wow.

Speaker 3 36:37

Wow. That's amazing.

Speaker 2 36:40

Yeah. So he might've actually, you might have actually known that he was poisoned by snaking. There you go. That's a total conspiracy

Speaker 3 36:50

Of course. Great. One great one.

Speaker 2 36:54

Yeah. Really good one. So there you go. So yes, our stick has been found on the manuscript like, and a month later, a month or two later Mozart's dead. But like, did people know that their makeup was poisonous? No, but I guess they will.

Speaker 3 37:09

I lied before, like everything was poisonous then wasn't it. And they were drinking an ETA on sanitize stuff. Yeah, exactly. And they didn't live for it generally. So I don't think cause they, they were using mercury forever when they up until the 20th century.

Speaker 2 37:26

Anyway. Can I just say just for the shout out to old Julia, Julia is still maybe the most prolific serial killer. Okay.

Speaker 3 37:34

Oh wow. Really more than Harold, man

Speaker 2 37:37

Go Julia. Yeah. Harold Shipman is only like 127. Kathy. I'm gonna wait. That was my story. That's a brilliant story.

Speaker 3 37:46

Do you?

Speaker 2 37:47

I told it really badly though, but can you see, like you can't see because the way I eventually told it, but if you look this up, there are like, obviously none of the Juliana's or Julia's gang, nobody wrote that down. Like they're not going to a day lady, blah, blah, blah. Came in and like bought some face powder and did whatever. So there was no records. They kept no records of who was buying stuff. Um, lots and lots of women were executed though. If they were known to visit the shop.

Speaker 3 38:20

That's bad. Yeah.

Speaker 2 38:22

So lots of widows Sydney got the chop. Yeah. So it was quite dark.

Speaker 3 38:26

So many women, you know, like that doesn't care. No, I mean, I'm just like, I think walking around as a woman, then it was like, well, you went into the shot. You should probably be executed. Well, you've got a whim. You should probably be executed. I saw you look at the moon once you probably are. Which I suspect foul play.

Speaker 2 38:46

Oh, women had it. Do you know what? I'm not surprised someone decided to kill all the men. Yeah. Because they had nothing. Women had nothing, no matter how rich or poor you were, you had nothing. Oh, do you know? What's lovely. Here's a little factoid, but Julia. So Julia also gave to charity. So if you were too poor, um, but had a husband who battered you, she gave you the F for free.

Speaker 3 39:06

That's kind of cool in a way. Yeah. In a way

Speaker 2 39:11

She was just out for helping with equal opportunity

Speaker 3 39:14

Murder. Murder. Yes. Yeah, exactly. So murder for everyone.

Speaker 2 39:19

So there you go. That's my story. And that's how it links back to motor completely super loose. But I thought Juliet

Speaker 3 39:24

So interesting. Big apparent. She'd get a bit of a shout out because that was that's very interesting. Um, yeah, but I also like the conspiracy theory. I like, cause you know, maybe it was for the magic food because it's all about the masons, isn't it?

Speaker 2 39:38

Yes. So you think of Mason murders.

Speaker 3 39:40

Wow. Well, let's say it here. Let's spread that Mark. And now we know.

Speaker 2 39:45

So native, do you know about the masons? So Mozart was a Mason, right. And when he wrote the magic flute, he wrote a load of Mason, Masonic, like secrets and symbols into the score and the masons went mental. He also originally wrote the queen of the night to be, um, the goodie and the man to be the body. And that also didn't go down that went so down here to reach rewrite that. But um, yeah. So, uh, even the opening there, three knocks in the orchestra at the beginning of, um, BombBomb. And that was the Masonic knock to get into

Speaker 3 40:23

Like a whole episode on that as well. Yes.

Speaker 2 40:26

Super, super cool. But fundamentally

Speaker 3 40:28

Though, the conspiracy theory is that Mozart

Speaker 2 40:32

That the masons killed Mozart and they used, um, no that they like, so nobody knows who commissioned the Requiem. So Mozart died riding the Requiem, nobody to this day knows who the secret, um, commissioner was.

Speaker 3 40:47

Oh my God. And did Mozart know he was writing his own? Yeah.

Speaker 2 40:51

He kept saying he was writing his own desk. Yeah. Yeah. I think he knew something

Speaker 3 40:56

And then they were like, okay, you've written the intro. That's

Speaker 2 40:58

Enough.[inaudible] no, he wrote way more than that. But um,

Speaker 3 41:11

But yeah, but yeah,

Speaker 2 41:12

Basically. Yeah. You're right. You would think,

Speaker 3 41:16

Wait, if they were murdering him, you think they'd wait until he finished it, murdering him and commissioning a piece. Then they're just like, Kara, this is taking too long. Let's do it.

Speaker 2 41:25

Yeah. If you, but technically you could say if our conspiracy theory is right, the Julia Devana

Speaker 3 41:34

Yeah. Gosh, by association. Wow.

Speaker 2 41:41

There you go. And actually, but Julia, I feel motor it wasn't a wife beater. There's absolutely nothing to say. In fact, P probably wasn't well, pony wasn't very good looking, but he was very pro woman though. All of his, he was quite,

Speaker 3 41:56

He was that's quite cool. I didn't realize that.

Speaker 2 41:59

Oh yeah. So Mozart to dude. So actually Julia is really unlikely to have wanted Mozart taken out. He was a bit of it, but no, I mean Judea like Julian, because he was a nice guy. He was funny and he liked women. He did really like women thought they were a great company. Like he probably wasn't on the chopping board, even though he was 150 years later, but he don't think he would have been on the chopping board, but yeah. Someone should have been on the chopping board.

Speaker 3 42:32

Hmm. I feel like that. It's awesome. Now even just for the audio.

Speaker 2 42:36

Well done. Very good. Very good story. All right. Well, I'm going to go. Um, and that's my story. I have another story probably for next week. Cause over the halfway through one story when I discovered this one and then was like, right. Screw the other story. Okay. Fine. All right then bye. Sorry.

Speaker 3 43:01

Oh, I thought I Googled is Mozart Requiem in the lion King. And what does it say me? Was it we're all waiting, reading, reading under pressure really quickly. It seems like the guy who wrote the music for the lion King really liked moats. Oh God. Okay. You know what? Nevermind. I've got all this.

Speaker 2 43:31

I mean, I'm sure Elton John does like Mozart, the guy who wrote and you meant Elton John. I know that you are right. Isn't it Howard show or no? Who, who wrote

Speaker 3 43:46

Alan Menken? Did um, does it mean, can he did the little mermaid he did

Speaker 2 43:52

And mermaid and those do have like,

Speaker 3 43:55

Definitely have, um, like copies from classical music. What did they copy this really, um, obvious bit and little mermaid. That's like checkoff skills. Something. Yeah. For, for my quick like scan, it seems like, uh don't you means, it seems like there might've been some copying going on. I'm going to look that up. I, I seem to not be able to read while under pressure. Um, so I just keep seeing, so can we like cut this part out and let's just like pretend to none of that ever happened and, and you can come back to us with

Speaker 2 44:32

Where Mozart's Requiem features. That can be your sermon. Okay. That's a great story.

Speaker 3 44:42

Okay guys, you should do. You're signing up

Speaker 2 44:43

Then. Okay. Well, Oh yeah. We'd never do that. All right. Well, uh, thank you. Oh, it's so hard. All right. Thank you. All right. Hi. it. I don't care. I do. Do I care? No, I can't say that. Hi. No, it's brilliant. I think I'm watching you have a breakdown, but I can't do it. I've just honestly, I'm going to have to, I feel really like I've failed my levels there. Hey, this is just as gold. Don't worry about it. So thank you so much for listening to opera Bluffs.

Speaker 3 45:19

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Speaker 2 45:23

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Speaker 3 46:04

Two or three different origin stories. Yes, exactly. From different countries.

Speaker 2 46:09

Guys, you made me feel really inadequate earlier when you were like, Oh, I can't, you know, Santa isn't real. It is just a myth

Speaker 3 46:20

Of, I have lots of different things pulled from different cultures. So it does come from St. Nicholas. And it also comes from Sweden or something.

Speaker 2 46:31

You just said St. Nicholas was some sort of like guy. I didn't think that. I thought I thought he was one of the crusaders I bring up. Oh, maybe that's okay. Well that's for the next time, find out if Santa was much bake-off femur. I do need to check. Yeah. It's true. Right? So many to look up for next week. If Santa was

Speaker 3 46:57

Yes. Although the crusaders generally favored warrior saints, which sent Nicholas was not. Oh yeah. That wouldn't make any sense. Would it? Cause he wasn't.

Speaker 2 47:05

No, no, no. You're fine. Go ahead.

Speaker 3 47:11

I know nothing. Every week I get proven to me how little I know about anything.

Speaker 2 47:17

Well, you know, lots about handle areas. Okay. I can hear the disdain in your voice, the important things, Kathy, the important bits. All right. Anyway, good night. This has

Speaker 1 47:30

Been a blast. Thank you.[inaudible][inaudible][inaudible].