Living Lucky® Podcast with Jason and Jana Banana

The Helper's High

• Jana and Jason Shelfer • Season 8 • Episode 48

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Unlock Unexpected Abundance: The Transformative Power of Giving (Living Lucky® Podcast)

Ever feel that awkward moment when asked to donate? Join Jason and Jana Banana as they dive into the surprising power of generosity and how giving freely – without expecting anything in return – can unlock a powerful "success cycle". This isn't just theory; it's a principle they've witnessed firsthand.

Discover that giving isn't just about money. Learn unconventional yet impactful ways to contribute, from truly listening to someone to sharing your unique skills or even allowing others to help you. Jason shares a deeply fulfilling experience of serving others, highlighting how the act of giving itself can be the ultimate reward.

Explore the profound insight that "we survive on what we receive, but we live on what we give." Understand how generosity creates purpose, builds connection, and sets in motion a flow with the universe that often returns in unexpected and wonderful ways. 

Here’s what you’ll discover:

  • The Unexpected Return: How Giving Freely Creates Abundance: Understand the "success cycle" of generosity.
  • Beyond the Dollar: Unconventional Ways to Give Value: Learn to contribute through listening, skills, and presence.
  • The Gift of Receiving: How Letting Others Help Benefits Everyone: Discover the power of allowing others to give.
  • Purpose Through Generosity: Finding Fulfillment in Serving Others: Understand how giving connects you to something larger.
  • The Universal Flow: How Giving Sets Abundance in Motion: Learn how generosity creates reciprocity.
  • Rich vs. Wealthy: The Mindset of True Generosity: Understand the difference in how they approach giving.
  • The "Helper's High": Experiencing Joy and Fulfillment Through Giving: Discover the intrinsic rewards of generosity.


  • Allowing others to help is a powerful form of giving.
  • The universe often reciprocates acts of generosity.
  • True wealth involves giving without expectation of recognition.
  • The act of giving can be deeply fulfilling.
  • How does giving back improve your life?
  • What are unconventional ways to be generous?
  • How does helping others create abundance?
  • Why is it important to give without expecting anything in return?
  • How can generosity improve your mindset?
  • What is the "helper's hi

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*Previously Recorded

Jana Shelfer:

Are you ready to create a life you crave? Let's spin that doom loop of negativity into an upward success cycle and start Living Lucky®. Good morning. I'm Jana, I'm Jason and we are Living Lucky®.

Jana Shelfer:

You are, too, I got hit up again to donate to a charity. No, it's I mean it's all year long. Jason smiles because Jason is a giver and Jason gets that helper's high. Is that what you call?

Jason Shelfer:

it, yeah, it's, it's. Uh, it's that feeling of I would love to give and I will overgive.

Jana Shelfer:

And I agree there is power in giving. However, I'm more of a realist and I'm that person that sometimes goes to the back door of the grocery store to avoid the Boy Scout and the Girl Scout, because I don't want to have to hurt their feelings and say, no, I don't want to donate.

Jason Shelfer:

And my husband already has 12 boxes of cookies. What am I supposed to do with more donate and my husband already has 12 boxes of cookies.

Jana Shelfer:

What am I supposed to do with more? Also, I am on a foundation board for a really great foundation that I absolutely love, and the one part that I absolutely hate is the fundraising. I hate asking people to donate to a cause. I feel like times are tough right now. It's hard enough to pay for our eggs, am I right?

Jason Shelfer:

Yeah, yeah, there's a, that's a, and I have a problem asking people to donate as well.

Jana Shelfer:

I mean let me just. Let me just say this there were. You came in contact with someone just in this past week that wanted your services, wanted some life coaching, and yet could not afford your prices. Right, am I right? 100%? And you wanted to give. Yes To give yes, and so the power of giving when we do give freely.

Jason Shelfer:

It does come back to us in so many different ways.

Jana Shelfer:

We have found this over and over and over in so many ways in our business. If we do it for money, it feels like it just becomes a transaction. It for money, it feels like it just becomes a transaction. However, if we say you know what? We're here for the long game and we really just want to help people, we just want to help people pursue their best self, pursue their dreams, pursue their potential.

Jason Shelfer:

Pursue that feeling like they're living life luckily.

Jana Shelfer:

To the fullest.

Jason Shelfer:

Yes.

Jana Shelfer:

Then all of a sudden, opportunities start coming to us in other ways. It almost feels like this karma effect.

Jason Shelfer:

Yeah, it's the success cycle, that upwind, of lifting everything up. So in doing good anywhere, it does good everywhere. It comes back in either a ripple or a tsunami.

Jana Shelfer:

In so many ways. We found this with our podcast.

Jason Shelfer:

Yes, we found this with. That was the first thing that came to my mind. It was just a tangible thing. It's like okay, we're giving this podcast. I mean we don't have to do a podcast, but A we enjoy it, we like to do it. B people are getting value from it and we enjoy it, we like to do it. B people are getting value from it. And it has brought clients. It's brought speaking engagement, it's brought trips. It's brought all these wonderful things into our lives.

Jana Shelfer:

So I guess what I want to say is there is power in giving, Because the universe tends to recognize what you're doing and say you know what? Because you've given freely, then it wants to almost reward you.

Jason Shelfer:

It wants to be in flow with you. Yes, the universe says when I give you something, you forward it out. I will keep giving you.

Jana Shelfer:

It really does.

Jason Shelfer:

It's incredible Okay.

Jana Shelfer:

So here's the thing. I know that right now in the economy sometimes people are a little tight with their wallet. So, I want to say you don't have to always give monetarily. There are so many other ways to give.

Jason Shelfer:

So true, like, how might I add value? And we just had a podcast, last week I believe, about the uncertainty of finance right now, with just the economy and everything it is. So it's getting outside of the box and saying what if I give in a different way?

Jana Shelfer:

Which I feel. I don't know why, but I always feel like I do this. I've been doing this naturally my whole life. I feel like I find ways to give where people don't even realize I'm giving, if that makes sense, 100%. I know that. You know like sometimes I'll be on a team and if I'm not on the court, I'm giving. Yes, You're cheering.

Jason Shelfer:

And if I'm not on the court I'm giving yes or I'm like somehow the locker room MVP yes.

Jana Shelfer:

I become the glue.

Jason Shelfer:

Yeah, you kind of you hook the piece, like if you're not on the court, you hook the pieces of the team together so that there's such a cohesive unit that they can overcome anything and do anything. And you've been on winning team after winning team after winning team.

Jana Shelfer:

So, jason, give me some ideas of how people can give in unconventional ways.

Jason Shelfer:

The first one that comes to mind is just giving like, like just being present with someone and listening, like we don't have to fix them. We don't have to. It goes back to that Do you want to be helped, held or heard? Just be there for someone to to talk.

Jana Shelfer:

Yeah, encouragement.

Jason Shelfer:

Yeah. Or just to be an ear and say I see you, I hear you, you know I don't, I don't. I may not understand it all, but I'm here with you. If there's anything I can do, let me know. And that opens up a new way to give, Like you've just kind of created this chain of how I might be able to give to someone or give to a group, and that's. That's just powerful.

Jana Shelfer:

Okay, give us another one.

Jason Shelfer:

Skill sharing and mentorship and we all have skills. Like Randy comes over here and he builds things for us. He does housework. Is it Randy?

Jana Shelfer:

Eric.

Jason Shelfer:

Oh sorry, eric.

Jana Shelfer:

Who's Randy? Who's Randy?

Jason Shelfer:

The only Randy I could think of was Well, so I go to see Randy every Tuesday for a men's group, but Eric comes over and he'll build things. He'll fix things. I'm not a technical person but he'll show me things of how to do it and there's not like an extra part of the bill at the end, that's like mentorship or technical skills part of the invoice. He loves giving that to me because he knows like I'm kind of just soaking it up and recognizing it and it kind of makes him feel important too, and the truth is it's not taking away from anything we're going to hire him to do.

Jason Shelfer:

You know what makes sense. Like he's teaching me something that some people would think this is going to put me out of work. Absolutely not with me, right? Like there's other things that I want to be doing with that time, right? So I'm able to receive that and I'm so appreciative and he loves it.

Jana Shelfer:

Okay, give me another, because those two are great so acts of service, or we talk about radical gratitude.

Jason Shelfer:

How about radical helpfulness?

Jana Shelfer:

I also think. I also think I know this is kind of an outside the box one, but sometimes allowing other people to help you. That's a huge gift, that is a way of giving, and I know that sounds so crazy, but sometimes I almost feel like my purpose in this world is to allow others to help, because it makes them feel valuable.

Jason Shelfer:

Yes, Think about Eric. Think about me allowing him to teach me these skills, or tell me about the skills like how it works, why it works, how it's not as hard as I might imagine in my mind Me allowing him to give that Well.

Jana Shelfer:

I know this week you helped a lot of the paraplegics getting on and off the dock.

Jason Shelfer:

Carrying equipment. Carrying equipment, unloading and loading the car, getting on and out of the boat.

Jana Shelfer:

And you said on the way home thank you so much for giving me that opportunity to be the equipment manager to be the helper.

Jason Shelfer:

I literally worked for five days, you did. I worked my ass off and it felt so freaking good which is just crazy Like I was so full. Like every time I was asked, jason, do you want to ski? I was like you know what I'm having such a big time, I feel so full. Every time I was asked, jason, do you want to ski? I was like you know what I'm having such a big time. I feel so full. In this experience I didn't even bring my skis today.

Jana Shelfer:

I know that was nuts.

Jason Shelfer:

And the coach was like what do you mean? You're doing this to get on the water.

Jana Shelfer:

Okay, so let's wrap this up. Here's the power in giving it gives us purpose. Here's the power in giving it gives us purpose the minute we start giving, we start feeling like we have a reason to be on this planet and be in community with each other. It gives us confidence, it gives us purpose.

Jason Shelfer:

And so it. Not only there's not only a karma that goes along with it, 100. It gives us this, this this is like what carl jung says we survive on what we receive, but we live on what we give I like that it's. It's powerful when you just think about it, when you just rest in it for a minute. It's powerful when you just think about it, when you just rest in it for a minute, it's like, wow, I can see that.

Jana Shelfer:

And I know, right before we started this podcast, you said to me you know it's rich people and you didn't mean this in money wise. You said rich people give freely.

Jason Shelfer:

Yes.

Jana Shelfer:

But wealthy people are very generous and there's a distinction there.

Jason Shelfer:

They're generous and they just it doesn't matter if they're recognized. They don't need recognition.

Jana Shelfer:

They don't need anything else. They can do it anonymously.

Jason Shelfer:

Yes.

Jana Shelfer:

And they still get filled within.

Jason Shelfer:

Yeah, they get the helper's high.

Jana Shelfer:

They get the helper's high, which I might need a little help with the helper's high, because sometimes helping sometimes feels it sometimes depletes my energy. Instead of fills fills my cup.

Jason Shelfer:

Well, and part of this is it's recognizing where you're being helped and recognizing that balance of filling your own cup and the flow that we talked about with the universe, because if you don't feel that flow, then that's going to be depleting, right, you're going to start feeling emptier and emptier.

Jason Shelfer:

But when you open up those floodgates and you do feel that flow coming through, that's where we focus on okay, how is this flowing? Where am I receiving from? That's where we focus on okay, how is this flowing, where am I receiving from? Because sometimes we're getting these gifts back or we're receiving in different areas from where we're expecting them, and so these packages are kind of quote metaphorically piling up at the back door, okay, you know. And then it's like, okay, well, how do I get them flowing through and getting them showing up where I expect them? Or how do I expect them from all around me, 360 angles, like a full spectrum, and then we can see how much we are getting back and how we do really live on what we give and we survive on what we receive.

Jana Shelfer:

I'm going to have to think about that one. Jason makes up these these metaphors.

Jason Shelfer:

All these metaphors make perfect sense in my head and sometimes because we do this.

Jana Shelfer:

Packages all around the house. I don't know, I don't know.

Jason Shelfer:

Yeah, they make perfect sense until I go to articulate them, right.

Jana Shelfer:

I don't really understand. Okay, well, we do have a lot to think about.

Jason Shelfer:

Yeah, just take the nuggets that you need from here and receive them. We are giving them and we're getting a helper's high from doing it, and I will try to articulate things better.

Jana Shelfer:

Jason's getting the helper's high.

Jason Shelfer:

That's right.

Jana Shelfer:

Thank you for joining us.

Jason Shelfer:

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Jana Shelfer:

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