Meek Doesn’t Mean Weak—God Made You for MORE! | Ryan Miller

Are Christian men weak? The Bible says meekness isn’t weakness—it’s strength under control. In this powerful episode, Ryan Miller joins Skylar Lewis to reveal how men of God are called to lead with confidence, courage, and faith.

🔥 Topics Covered:

The true meaning of meekness (it's not what you think!)
How to be a bold Christian man in today’s world
The crisis of masculinity and why men feel lost
How social media is shaping young men (and what we must do)
Overcoming fear and speaking about Jesus with confidence
Why God made you for more and how to step into your calling

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Transcript

00:00:00:00 - 00:00:21:08
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And so when Jesus is saying the meek will inherit the earth, he's not saying meek is a mouse, he's saying meek is excited to have Ryan Miller on the podcast. This man is a powerful human being. He loves Jesus with all of his heart. He is a highly influential social media influencer with over a million followers, but he's making a huge impact through the wisdom that he shares across all of his platforms.

00:00:21:09 - 00:00:44:20
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On this episode, we talk about the power of our words. We talk about how to choose friends wisely. We dive into some deliverance. This episode will leave you feeling wiser and encouraged to be the man or woman that God's called you to become. Number one praying and asking the Holy Spirit for opportunities. You will be shocked at what happens to the Lord to give you opportunities to proclaim His Word in His Gospel and his truth.

00:00:44:22 - 00:01:07:21
Unknown
Buckle up bro, like it will happen that he says ask anything in my name. What does that mean? In my innermost causes, in my heart beat, in my will. And it will be done to promise. That's the call, Christian man. And right now we're missing it because men, they have two models of masculinity. I think in popular culture you have the Andrew Tate model and you have the passive namby pamby model, and both are unattractive and missing something.

00:01:07:22 - 00:01:25:16
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I started doing things to try to prove my masculinity, that I was noteworthy, that I was impressive. It all came crashing down in a series of massive failures. I'm just like looking at my life, and I went from being the guy that my college buddies would be like, are you hearing what Ryan's doing right now? Like, wow. Like, impressive.

00:01:25:18 - 00:01:49:29
Unknown
To being like, oh, did you hear what happened to Ryan? It's a prison, dude. The problem is, you don't see that in the church right now. You don't see that in Christendom. And I just started crying out for Lord. And I'm like, Lord, what are you doing? And I kept hearing him say one word, kept saying meekness. My name is Skyler Lewis and I have helped thousands of men and their families step into their God given potential.

00:01:50:06 - 00:02:17:21
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00:02:17:23 - 00:02:42:02
Unknown
Ryan, welcome to the show. Thank you. Man, I appreciate being here. Yeah, excited to have you. It's nice that you are, fairly close and excited, to have this conversation. You, you've blown up recently over the last year, year and a half on social media. Like, God's favor is on you, and you are impacting a ton of people bringing, encouragement and love, and really expanding the kingdom.

00:02:42:04 - 00:03:02:26
Unknown
So I'd love to start out where, would this all come from? Like, where does where does your heart for evangelism come from? Right? Because there are so many Christians out there that love Jesus but are not committed at the level that you are to really expand the kingdom and evangelize. So, yeah, where that where that come from?

00:03:02:29 - 00:03:30:14
Unknown
I think it came from my family, to be honest. I, I grew up in an interesting household where my parents were strong believers. But I have two brothers that are geniuses like Mensa level neuroscientists, professors, you know, Stanford, Dartmouth, like the whole like, just crazy, crazy, intellect in my family. And so I encountered the Lord at a really young age, and I just always wanted to reach my brothers with the gospel.

00:03:30:20 - 00:03:51:16
Unknown
And so I'd have these debates with them and I think from, you know, ten years old, I'm just like thinking, how do I get through? Like, how do I break through to to my brothers? And then honestly, just being part of ministry, just going out and just doing street evangelism at a young age and, sharing the gospel with my friends.

00:03:51:18 - 00:04:07:20
Unknown
I think the Lord gave me. You know, it's so interesting, you know, like, I'm sure we're going to talk about, like, fitness and stuff like that. Like, I think a lot of people just haven't tried to do it. Like they haven't tried to push their bodies to the level that like, they actually see the results and they actually see the fruit of it.

00:04:07:20 - 00:04:28:07
Unknown
Because fruit comes from hard work, fruit comes from pruning. And I think early on the Lord was really kind to allow me to experience the fruit of sharing my faith. And so on that note, what was what was what was some of that fruit that's interesting. So you, you were able to experience some fruit. Yeah.

00:04:28:09 - 00:04:58:03
Unknown
Does that look like man it looks like friends getting saved. Yeah. At ten years old. Oh, it looks like having conversations with people in airports and on planes and and having them, like, come to faith and and seeing that at a really young age. And so I think as I started surveying the landscape, you know, as a businessman, like when you get into something, you start seeing it in a way that it's like a native and you have there's certain things that are just intuitive for you.

00:04:58:03 - 00:05:20:18
Unknown
So you can see beyond what someone that maybe hasn't done it for a while can see. And what I started seeing was the landscape of communication and how things are communicated. And I started seeing that oh my gosh, everyone is moving to these devices. Everyone's moving on these phones. And so in college or just like just post-college, I'm like, how am I gonna do this?

00:05:20:21 - 00:05:40:17
Unknown
And I started to like, thinking through this strategy like this, like think tank of, like, I want to assemble all the smartest people, and we're going to figure out how to share the gospel with the whole world through these phones, because everyone's on these phones, everyone's on social media never thinking that maybe I would become like a communicator of that, you know, of the gospel on social media.

00:05:40:19 - 00:06:03:28
Unknown
So I think, I think it just came from doing it. I think when you start doing stuff, you start seeing it, in a different way and you start you become a native. And I think, like I said, the Lord was really kind to me to allow me to to have, the chance to share my faith at a young age and to see the fruit of it and to want more.

00:06:04:00 - 00:06:25:09
Unknown
And, you know, like I even look back at, you know, middle school, Ryan, you know, with like, a Jew fro and chubby and weird. It was weird. I would stick pencils in there and get like, 20 pencils in there. And just like, it wasn't the good luck. But I didn't care. Like, I did not care what you thought of me.

00:06:25:12 - 00:06:49:24
Unknown
And now I do, like is you. You and I were talking over lunch like some envy. I struggle with it on social media, like I struggle with the numbers in in comparison. And before I didn't care. I was a ten year old Jew. Fraud. Weird kid. That just was talking about Jesus to whoever would listen. And so in many ways, I think there's that childlike faith that I'm trying to get back to you as an evangelist.

00:06:49:28 - 00:07:08:22
Unknown
Yeah. Beautiful. What? And I love how you say that, the fruit was something that really kind of kept you going. Yeah. And it takes it takes somebody. It takes a step of faith, of risk to risk yourself, to write, to be an evangelist, to really talk about. Yeah. Open a Jesus. I we meet with a we have a lot of CEOs that come through our events.

00:07:08:24 - 00:07:28:10
Unknown
And what's so interesting is that the common theme with them is they wish they talked about Jesus more. Well, yeah, they wish they had the courage that they'll go take a risk in business. They'll go they'll go spend millions on things. But they but man, talking about Jesus to their employees is a whole nother is a whole nother deal for them.

00:07:28:10 - 00:07:49:09
Unknown
Yeah. So it's just inspiring. So I love I love seeing that. Yeah I want more of it. Yeah I think that's we all kind of have to come to these moments of like repentance. Right. And just kind of take inventory of our soul as men, you know? And I think the common thing I come back to is just how much I care about what people think.

00:07:49:11 - 00:08:10:03
Unknown
And that's a poison. It's a freakin poison. Like the book of Proverbs says, you will trap yourself in the opinions of others. And so I think that's probably what it is, is like. And the other thing I think it is, is the CEOs have built muscle like they've built the muscle for entrepreneurship. They've built the muscle for starting something, for growing it, for scaling it.

00:08:10:03 - 00:08:27:25
Unknown
They know how to do that because they have reps. And I think so many people just like the the gym analogy, if you're out of shape, it's really hard to go to the gym. But if you're a Navy Seal it's not that hard at the gym. Yeah. You life you've built the muscle to do it and I would just encourage you don't listen to this.

00:08:27:25 - 00:08:47:18
Unknown
That's convicted I would say safe small steps like that. What would that look like. It would look like number one praying and asking the Holy Spirit for opportunities. You will be shocked at what happens if you ask the Lord to give you opportunities to proclaim His Word in His Gospel and his truth. Buckle up bro. Like it's like it will happen.

00:08:47:18 - 00:09:02:18
Unknown
But he says, ask anything in my name. What does that mean? In my in my in my in my causes, in my heart beat, in my will. And it will be done to promise. So if you pray in accordance with his will, you can pray with this holy swagger, realizing that it's going to happen. Why? Because he says it's going to happen.

00:09:02:18 - 00:09:19:05
Unknown
And so if you pray and you ask the Holy Spirit like, would you give me opportunities, he's going to start tying him up for you. And then you got to be obedient in the moments, and you're going to have that little split second of doubt of like, oh, that'd be so weird if I said that. Like, oh my gosh.

00:09:19:05 - 00:09:39:12
Unknown
Like what? Like, I don't think I should, you know, that's going to be awkward. That's going to be offensive for him if I say that. And it's like the more you do it and then realize, oh my gosh, I was actually hearing from the Lord. What you gain is you gain the confidence that you hear and that God is speaking, and then you get the fruit of being like, oh, that was fun, dude.

00:09:39:14 - 00:09:59:13
Unknown
Like, that was a blast. Yeah. I was, I think it was Greg Lord with Greg. Lori, you're from a with big Lori, right? Yeah, yeah. You used to go to harvest when I was in California, and he was, he was sharing. He says. He says so many people think Christianity is boring. Yeah, but sharing the gospel is one of the most exciting things a human being can do.

00:09:59:13 - 00:10:26:29
Unknown
Oh, do your heart start. It's exhilarating. Right? It's incredible. So it's like being a Christian can be the most exciting thing, right? If you take the risks and step into that. I was, having a conversation with somebody on an airplane recently, and, man, I slowed down enough because typically I'm knocking some work out. But I decided to not work and just be present with who is next to me and ask them questions cared enough about that person to just check in.

00:10:27:01 - 00:10:46:02
Unknown
And they were going through a divorce. And I got to share the gospel. I got to share the gospel with with her. And, she she was. And one of my favorite questions. And I actually asked my wife, or my, the girl I was dating who eventually became my wife, she was a, quote unquote Christian.

00:10:46:05 - 00:11:01:07
Unknown
And so what I like, I love to ask is, hey, on a scale of 1 to 10, how confident are you that you're going to heaven? Yeah, right. Just to get just to see what what they're checking is. Yeah. And she, she wasn't confident. She wasn't clear that she knew for a fact that she knew she was going to have it.

00:11:01:07 - 00:11:19:24
Unknown
Yeah. And so it's a good check. And just to, to, to solidify their faith in, to lock it in. So I, I was able to have that conversation with somebody on the fly and man, powerful. Like I walked away just on a high. It's a beautiful thing. What type of fruit? So as you've grown, right, you've hit, you're up in the the.

00:11:19:26 - 00:11:40:07
Unknown
I haven't followed your TikTok as much, but your Instagram, right. You're at a a million ish followers. Right below that or right above or whatever it is. But man, like, people are engaging with your content at a very high level. What do you think is causing the virality? Like what? What, what do you what's the what's what's causing the morality?

00:11:40:07 - 00:12:07:07
Unknown
And then what is the fruit that's starting to come from some of this work that you're doing online. Yeah. So so what's causing the virality? I think people are really hungry for simple truths. And I think oftentimes they feel like spiritual truths are outside of what they can grasp. And they're from like a, mental ability and they're outside of them because they're too dirty.

00:12:07:09 - 00:12:29:07
Unknown
And so what I try to do is I try to make the Bible practical. And so I just start with a simple question or a simple hook that's, you know, did you know the Bible says x, y, z? And then I just unpack and I just read the Bible. And so like, it's really not been about my eloquence, or my charisma or what a lot of other creators, they just have that dynamic thing about them.

00:12:29:10 - 00:12:46:18
Unknown
I'm just opened the Bible and read it and tried to be strategic about the way I engage because again, you we want to do things with. Excellent. So I'm trying to hook people in because I want them to watch it, but I just want to go right to the scriptures. And then I want to make it really simple and really practical for people.

00:12:46:24 - 00:13:12:12
Unknown
Yeah. And I think that's what people resonate with is, they don't they don't need, long lectures. Yeah. So they just, they just need God's word that doesn't return void. That's sharper than two edged sword that pierces and divides soul and spirit. You know, they just they just need a moment in their day to be inspired that God loves them and he's got better for them, and he's got plans for them, and he's got a path forward for them.

00:13:12:12 - 00:13:34:29
Unknown
And so a lot of my content is centered around mental and emotional health, but it's from the it's from the scriptures. And so giving people the encouragement that when you're anxious start to multiply his consolations cheer your soul. And you can run to a God who says, throw your anxieties on my back. And that's that's all people need to hear is when you feel anxious, don't think your fears.

00:13:34:29 - 00:14:06:21
Unknown
Pray your fears like little things like that, I think have at least just objective looking at the views per video. It's just when it's real practical and when it's just simple. That's what I think people resonate with. Yeah. And there's, you know, there's so much simplicity on the far side of complexity that like, a lot of this has to come with the deep, struggle of life to where, like I have, I have to communicate from a place that's authentic.

00:14:06:23 - 00:14:29:28
Unknown
Like, I can't talk about certain things because I haven't lived them. So I have to go right to the scriptures. I, you know, I, I have to talk about anxiety tapping into my moments on my face, having panic attacks. I have to talk about marriage, wrestling in my own marriage to honor my wife. You know, to be a man of God.

00:14:29:28 - 00:14:58:22
Unknown
Like those things. I think they have to come from a deep well, and they have to come from an anointing that's come from burning yourself under a mountain and coming out refined. And so that's that's been what I think has been the source of my content has been you might see me giving wise words from the scriptures, but what you didn't see is you didn't see the years of humiliation and pruning in meekness that took place to get there.

00:14:58:24 - 00:15:21:03
Unknown
And I think the Lord in his kindness, because if I'm honest, like I was actually telling you this earlier, like, like money's never been the thing that grabbed my heart. It's been the same like, and I have to be very conscious of that. I'm playing with fire because social media is dangerous, and you can easily pimp yourself out to the algorithm, and you can easily get caught up in the views, in the comments and likes and and all of that.

00:15:21:05 - 00:15:53:21
Unknown
And I have to keep my content pure. And the way I do that is by communing before I communicate. So I have to go to the secret place. I have to spend time with the Lord. And what I've learned, what's actually been the blessing of that? Because I know the wickedness of my heart, and then how quickly I can turn to idolizing all the acclaim and the stuff that comes with it, and all the people stopping you in stores and in the gym and saying, oh my gosh, you the guy like all of that had to be preceded by wilderness, like to the point where I got, like, Moses and I didn't even want to

00:15:53:21 - 00:16:06:27
Unknown
enter the Promised Land unless his presence went with me. He's like, Lord, I don't even freaking want it. Like the gift was in the wilderness with you. And so just don't take the gift for me. You can give me the promised landlord, but just keep your presence with me. And that's. That was the whole goal of the wilderness.

00:16:06:27 - 00:16:20:14
Unknown
And that's what the Lord did in me, is the goal of the wilderness was not to get the Israelites out of Egypt. It was to get Egypt out of the Israelites. They were in a slave mindset. Well, they were they were so dependent on, you know, just like, how are we going to make it? How are we going to make it?

00:16:20:14 - 00:16:32:01
Unknown
How are we gonna make it? And God goes, guess what we're going to do? We're going to meander for 40 years for a trip that should have taken two weeks. And I'm going to give you a cloud by day because it's hot. I can give you fire by night because it's cold at night. I'm just going to give you my presence.

00:16:32:01 - 00:16:50:06
Unknown
I'm going to give you what you're needing in the moments. And I'm going to teach you day by day manna by manna, quail by quail, to rely on me and to stay near to me and to trust in me, to not trust in the idols and not trust in taking more than your fill for the day. And so that's a long winded way of just saying.

00:16:50:08 - 00:17:13:00
Unknown
I've been in the wilderness and I've I've learned to to want his presence more than anything. Like, that's more than anything. I just want Jesus. And I, I'll sell it all in a heartbeat, you know? And there's this this scripture, where it says it's better to go to the house of mourning in the house of rejoicing.

00:17:13:03 - 00:17:38:12
Unknown
And I didn't know what that meant until I started having people in my life die. And it was like, I get it. Like when you're low, his presence comes really near. And it's just all about his presence. It's all about all about Jesus. And so well that's it's the and the short answer, it's, it's been the wilderness I think that's created the anointing to be able to communicate in an authentic way.

00:17:38:14 - 00:18:07:19
Unknown
Man. Incredibly powerful. If we could just wrap that last couple minutes up into a, to an episode all by itself, there was some serious fire. There was so much wisdom in what you just shared, and I. I can see your passion in your heart. You, even your eyes tearing up as you were communicating your, from your soul, like, experience to at that, at that level, that my.

00:18:07:22 - 00:18:26:24
Unknown
The closest that I've been to God has been in my the darkest of times. Yeah. You know, and where I've communed with him during those times and I've walked with him during those times. And I was on my hands and knees just in tears, like crying out. And I believe that it's in those moments that has created the depth in me, right?

00:18:26:24 - 00:18:49:27
Unknown
Versus just me being a surface human being like, I, I've it's created so much depth. Yeah. There is a, there's a saying your mess becomes your message. Right. So from my darkness and the things that I've gone through like that mess has become my message. I went through one experience of such intense anxiety, during a period in my life where it almost broke me.

00:18:49:29 - 00:19:11:05
Unknown
I almost went legit crazy. And from this experience. But then from that moment, I fully surrendered to God. And then I got the one of the biggest blessings was being able to connect with my sister, who dealt with tremendous anxiety because of drugs. And I was able to finally understand what she went through. Yes. Like I had.

00:19:11:05 - 00:19:27:29
Unknown
No, I thought I knew she was like, oh yeah, I deal with anxiety. I'm like, oh yeah, you know, that must be hard. I had no freaking clue until I experienced the anxiety. And I'm like, oh, shoot, this sucks. Yeah, like, this is brutal. This is very a, it was, it was, it was extremely difficult for me to go through.

00:19:27:29 - 00:19:52:09
Unknown
And so I was able to create a new level of, empathetic connection with my with my sister and with people around me now because of that pain. Yeah, we have, we have shirts to say pain is the path. Yeah. And so we truly believe that through the difficult times, it's what that's like. That is the path is not leaning into comfort, not leaning into pleasure and just having all nice things and living a life of, of comfort.

00:19:52:11 - 00:20:10:13
Unknown
It's through doing that. Like Jesus wasn't searching out comfort. Yeah, like that wasn't his aim in life. He was looking for the most comfortable path. Like he leaned into the pain on a regular basis. And that was the path. Yeah, right. And so in this world, you'll have trouble. He's like spelling it out for us now. It doesn't mean we're, you know, we go searching for pain.

00:20:10:13 - 00:20:33:01
Unknown
For pain itself. Yeah, yeah. And if we can get more, if we can build the muscle of leaning in the pain, then we'll go do the hard things. We'll have the hard conversation. We'll go, we'll go minister to people that need it, like we'll do those difficult things. So on that note, what would you say is one of your most difficult things that you've gone through?

00:20:33:03 - 00:21:01:10
Unknown
Oh, man. I think the thing that comes to mind is the death of my idol. And, I, I grew up, like I said, in a very successful family, and the only person in my generation that does not have a PhD out of, like, 18 brothers and cousins talking like mayo, top brain surgeon, you know, just like that.

00:21:01:13 - 00:21:19:14
Unknown
This dude, my brother just got named top 40 scientists under 40 in the world. Like, as a neuroscientist, published in the major journals and all that. And so I grew up just kind of with this expectation that I was going to be successful. I met the Lord early, and I graduated with a 2.7 GPA because I did not care.

00:21:19:14 - 00:21:38:12
Unknown
I watched my brother striving and I said, I'm rejecting that. And so I just went out and was, you know, playing baseball and doing ministry and like, just just did not care about the acclaim or what people thought. Like I said, there was this fearlessness. Then I got to college and I started getting good at stuff. All of a sudden I got really good at baseball.

00:21:38:14 - 00:22:04:05
Unknown
All of a sudden I grew eight inches and girl started finding me attractive. All of a sudden I got good at school and a lot of the thorny soil that Jesus talks about the cares of the world came in and started choking the seed of the Word of God. And then I, I adopted it in a coping mechanism, the performative mindset that is, that has plagued so many in my family.

00:22:04:05 - 00:22:35:11
Unknown
And I think just in manhood in general. We're also performative and so scared. And so I started doing things to try to prove my masculinity and trying to prove that I was, noteworthy and that I was impressive and, it all came crashing down in a series of massive failures, in a series of, ministries that just, you know, I raised a bunch of money and it all failed.

00:22:35:13 - 00:22:58:20
Unknown
I created film projects, and they failed, back to back to back to back. And I, found myself almost in a lawsuit, from this one film project. And I'm just, like, looking at my life. And I went from being the guy that in college or, like, my college buddies would be like, are you hearing what Ryan's doing right now?

00:22:58:20 - 00:23:18:18
Unknown
Like, wow. Like, impressive. You know, which was which was what I wanted, to being like, oh, did you hear what happened to Ryan? You're like. Like I became that story. The story of of, like, failure and humiliation. And I started having these panic attacks and just being on my face and I just, like, started praying. I'm like.

00:23:18:20 - 00:23:37:16
Unknown
And the project that failed and the Lord's actually started to redeem it all now. But it was we took four boys out of gangs, prison, foster care and paired them with wild mustangs to tame over two months. And we filmed it and it was a beautiful project, and we got a lot of interest in Hollywood and offers and and then it all blew up.

00:23:37:16 - 00:24:01:03
Unknown
And so that's, long story short, got into a lot of donors, investors, even family that like, yeah, it got really, really nasty really fast. And so I, I just was crying out to Lord, like just struggling just like a puddle and not being able to control my muscles, like, so, like my chest getting tight, my muscles getting tight.

00:24:01:04 - 00:24:20:15
Unknown
And it's a prison, dude. It's just it's like you said, it's just awful. That level of anxiety. And I just started crying out to the Lord and I'm like, Lord, what are you doing? And I kept hearing him say one word. He kept saying meekness. And, at first I was praying, what are you doing in the sense of this book project?

00:24:20:18 - 00:24:34:27
Unknown
That was the last hope I had had, this book project. I had this book agent that, you know, thought I was going to be the next best thing. And, you know, I was like, well, that's that's the thing I can cling to now. And so at first I'm praying like, Lord, what do you want? Do this. And he kept saying meekness.

00:24:34:27 - 00:24:50:11
Unknown
But then I would pray about my life. You say meekness. So he just kept saying meekness. Every time I pray, I just hear that still some small voice in my head. And I had already had a chapter in a book. The book was called Taming Mustangs. I had a chapter called The Meekness Paradox. We're talking about meekness isn't weakness, it's strength and humility.

00:24:50:11 - 00:25:10:29
Unknown
In tandem, which is not a bad definition. But, the Lord started showing me how incomplete it was. So I just kept here in meekness. So I just like, looked up every Bible verse on meekness because I'm like, okay, this is getting crazy. I'm just hearing this every time I pray, looked up every Bible verse, started studying, and then I just said, okay, I'm going to see what what this means in the original language.

00:25:11:02 - 00:25:26:29
Unknown
So I looked it up in the Greek, the, you know, the original language, the Bible was written and, and the word is Prowse and about fell off the couch because the definition is to tame a wild mustang. And here I had just gone through this whole project that was now failing, causing me all this anxiety on taming wild mustangs.

00:25:27:06 - 00:25:48:08
Unknown
I know what it takes to tame a wild mustang. At this point. I'm writing a book called Taming Mustangs 90,000 words already written with a chapter called The Meekness Paradox. And the Lord then reveals to me on a silver platter that everything I'd been striving after, not just in these projects to do with these Mustangs, but in my life, was a lack of meekness.

00:25:48:15 - 00:26:10:14
Unknown
And he was about to teach me meekness, and he sent me on this journey where I just started studying AG geeked out and the context is the Greeks would go into the mountains and they would find these wild mustangs, and they would tame them into war horses. And so when Jesus is saying the meek will inherit the earth, he's not saying meek is a mouse, he's saying meek is a mustang.

00:26:10:16 - 00:26:28:17
Unknown
And he would take these horses and he would get them into these, into these pens, and they wouldn't break the horse. They like a lot of Mustang tamers. They'll sit on the horse's head, they'll put it in, you know, like a grain, container and fill it with grain. So it just gets stuck. But Jesus chose to tame through relationship.

00:26:28:19 - 00:26:50:20
Unknown
And so I'm learning all this stuff. And that's how the best horse trainers, if you want to take a horse to war, you build a relationship with that horse. So this horse that goes from being hazardous, that can kill you, literally becomes the most loyal horse you can have in right now. In the ten western states, there's 60 70,000 wild mustangs sitting behind bars and holding facilities because they're federally protected.

00:26:50:22 - 00:27:07:09
Unknown
So you can't kill them, but they're doubling in population. They're eating all the grazing land. So what do you do with something that's a little too wild that you can't control? You cage it. That's what we're seeing with young men. And the answer, I think, for the Christian man is meekness. It's this ability to realize that you're not the master, you're the Mustang.

00:27:07:12 - 00:27:29:09
Unknown
And he slowly, gently shows you how to walk like him, how to talk like him, how to move like him in the round pen over months and months and months and you go from being this hard into autonomous, just trying to hustle, to get food on your own horse in the wild, to realizing that you could have a partnership with the Lord and trust him enough to give him the reins and put the saddle on your back and put the bit in your mouth.

00:27:29:12 - 00:27:51:11
Unknown
And that's now what the Lord has taught me is the calling on my life is meekness. It's a full hearted surrender to him. It's a full loss of ownership of my life. It's saying everything I have is not mine, it's all yours. And when you get to that place where you lay everything on the altar, where you crush all your idols, you become fearless.

00:27:51:13 - 00:28:09:15
Unknown
Because what can man do to me? If God is for me, who can be against me? I'll be even more undignified than this, said David. So, like he's like, oh, you think I'm embarrassed now? Like, watch me. I don't care what you think of me. And that's that is the goal of my life, is to get to that place of fearlessness that's found in surrender to a God who loves me.

00:28:09:18 - 00:28:34:01
Unknown
I've met some epicness in that conversation. Also, I'm I absolutely love the correlation, and I've actually never heard that before. Ever. Not a lot of people have. That's what's wild to me, is no. This is a word that I feel like the enemy is hidden. Yeah, yeah. And and meekness. So like, I went on this, like I said, I just, I was like a dog with a bone.

00:28:34:01 - 00:28:49:21
Unknown
I'm like, I'm gonna learn everything there is to know about this concept. It's a word, but it's also a concept in the scriptures. And so you have to kind of understand it. It's both. And I, I reached out to somebody of mine who were very well connected, and I just said, this is what's going on. I want to talk to the weakest men on the planet.

00:28:49:24 - 00:29:09:18
Unknown
I'm like, can you just connect me with the weakest dudes, you know? And so I started getting on these zoom calls with, like, four star generals who were like, undercover, like rad believers and CIA agents, like, doing crazy stuff where they, like, literally have to ask the Lord permission. Lord, can I go into this bathroom? Is there a bomb?

00:29:09:20 - 00:29:32:17
Unknown
Can I eat that falafel like that? Like they have to be in tune with him at that level because it's like, you know, like Special Forces is is like, you're you're hard, dude. But CIA, like, they drop you in a country if you die, they're like, we don't know you. You know, it's a just a different level. And, this one, dude, obviously I won't use his name, but he was a very seasoned guy, had done a lot of stuff.

00:29:32:20 - 00:29:49:20
Unknown
And I'm talking to him, and he, like, stops me in the middle of this conversation as I'm like, kind of sharing him my journey with, with meekness. And he stops me and he goes, Ryan, you keep using the word surrender when you talk about meekness. He's like, I think there's a better word. Let me tell you story. We were in Afghanistan training the Taliban in the early 90s.

00:29:49:20 - 00:30:11:09
Unknown
This is when we were like trying to help them, right? To fight the Russians. And he's like, there would be these helicopters, these Russian helicopters that would come buzzing our location, and these freaking dudes would run out into an open field and just start popping off shots at this helicopter as it's raining on down, all hell on them, like.

00:30:11:16 - 00:30:31:01
Unknown
And they did not care. They're like, send me to my virgins. You know, like send me like I'm ready to die for my faith as Muslims. And he said it was the wildest thing. He's like, I could not get these guys to just go hide behind a rock. For the life of me, they would just they'd hear it would be like a like, you know, Pavlov's dog.

00:30:31:01 - 00:30:51:27
Unknown
Like the bell would ring. They hear the helicopter, they just run out and it's like they're doing anything to a helicopter. But they are fearless. And he said, the Holy Spirit just tapped him on the shoulder one time and said, these men are misguided, but they have lost their lives. And what you have, have you lost the ownership of your lives the way they have?

00:30:51:29 - 00:31:14:16
Unknown
And so he said, Ryan, you keep using the word surrender. I think a better word is ownership. Have you lost ownership of your life where everything you have, your business, your house, your family, like everything, is not yours and and you were a steward and you are the Mustang, and you put the bit in your mouth and then you wait for the horn to blow you wait on the Lord.

00:31:14:19 - 00:31:40:14
Unknown
And when the when the horn blows, you go to war and you run fearlessly, 30 miles an hour into battle, not fazed by the flaming arrows. Because you're masters in control. And that's the call to the Christian man. And right now we're missing it because men have this. They have two models of masculinity. I think in popular culture, you have the Andrew Tate model and you have the passive namby pamby model, and both are unattractive and missing something.

00:31:40:18 - 00:31:59:13
Unknown
But why is everyone so attracted to the Andrew Tate model? Because you don't see it. Yeah. You don't see men that are operating with that level of conviction. But what if the conviction wasn't found in you? What if the conviction was found in him? That's what meekness is. So it's it's not meekness is not a disposition or a personality type.

00:31:59:15 - 00:32:24:12
Unknown
It is a posture. It's it's a it's saying I've lost everything willingly. I've sold it all. I've, I've, I've found the hidden treasure in the field. So I sold everything. Yeah. It's interesting. Right. The, the picture that came to mind was a mustang resisting the owner, resisting the bit, like pushing back the rebellious spirit. Yeah, right. Because at the core of a mustang is a rebellious spirit.

00:32:24:12 - 00:32:43:29
Unknown
Yes. Right. It's a rebellious spirit. And so it's desire is to do things the way it wants to do things. Yeah, but God would rather tame a mustang than inspire a mule. Yeah. The message big time is he doesn't want the Pharisees. Yeah, he. There's a reason he picked a group of ragtag fishermen, a terrorist and tax collector, and said, let's go change the world because they were just wild enough to answer the call.

00:32:44:00 - 00:33:02:04
Unknown
Yeah, it's always easier to try to shift somebody that's running 100 miles an hour to get them to shift and do a 180, than it is to get a guy running five miles an hour. Right. I want the guy that's moving fast, because when he shifts, yes, he will be going fast the other direction. Right. So there's so much power in that conversation.

00:33:02:04 - 00:33:22:25
Unknown
So God is looking for. Yeah I agree. And right now there's a rising up of man like there's a calling. There's a stirring in the hearts and the minds of men. I don't know if you're seeing it, but, man, there's a lot of, men's movements popping up right now. Like it is a time where God is doing something special not only in our country, but in our world, where men are being called up.

00:33:22:27 - 00:33:49:11
Unknown
Yeah, like, hey, it's time to take a stand. It's time to step into your rightful, position under me. Yeah. And so what I'm hearing, too, and what I believe is we're so organization, right? Rise up. Kings. We're we're we're heirs to the throne. Yeah, right. He is the king. The king of kings. Yeah, right. And when we have an identity as a king, we act differently, and then we act differently.

00:33:49:11 - 00:34:09:14
Unknown
We're not going to be, you know, in the bathroom, you know, masturbating a pawn. Yeah, right. Like a king is not doing that. Yes, yes, yes. I mean, it's like a king lives differently the way he treats people like a servant king. Yeah, right. The way he serves his people, the way he leads his people. It's so much different than maybe a peasant would be leading you to be guiding.

00:34:09:14 - 00:34:35:01
Unknown
Right. And so, we're called, I believe we're called to operate in that kingship, but in complete meekness. Right. So it's like this beautiful horse that's powerful. Yes. Right. And he's given his entire life and control. One of my affirmations that I read every day, is, is I'm building Rise Up, King Superior Restoration and my other organizations for the sole purpose of glorifying God.

00:34:35:01 - 00:34:53:01
Unknown
So these are and I said, these are his companies that I am stewarding. Yeah. So like, everything that I'm operating within is his. Yeah. Like period is his. Yeah. And I even share people with people about rock. I'm like hey like I'm a lot I'm on this thing for I'm along for the ride. Yeah, right. I'm along for the ride.

00:34:53:01 - 00:35:11:26
Unknown
So as long as God wants me involved in this process, like I'll be involved. But at any point, this is his. Like, if he decides, hey, sorry, Skyler, you're not. You're not cutting it. This is his deal. I've have. I have a loose grip on this bad boy. On on everything actually in my life. So any moment, if God wants to strip away or to shift something.

00:35:11:29 - 00:35:39:08
Unknown
And that's only, I believe, come from the, refining process from myself also. Right. I filed bankruptcy when I was, when I was younger, I learned to release the grip on money on things because I realized how fleeting it actually was and how meaningless it was. So not only did I lose everything at one point, like everything I mean, I met my wife, I was driving around my dad's carpet cleaning van, and, like, she had this condo or a little BMW.

00:35:39:08 - 00:35:58:12
Unknown
I'm like, dead broke renting a room from some college students. Like struggling like to to even eat. Right. And I mean, I meet her. And so I was at the rock bottom place in my life when I met Jessica. And then once we met, like, we built some great success. And I hit a point, so I hit I hit rock bottom, and then I also hit a top of success.

00:35:58:12 - 00:36:26:03
Unknown
Yeah. And then I remember walking into my, my office. Jessica said, hey, Skyler, take a look at this. And so I walk in the office and it was 2020, 2014. And she pulled up QuickBooks, our pal, and she showed us the pal. I think it was maybe 27 ish at the time. And we had the gross, the our revenue was at 4 million, and we had netted right around 1.4, right in that range of net income, like in one year.

00:36:26:04 - 00:36:46:15
Unknown
Yeah. And I thought I'd be so excited. But I felt this instant gut like punch and then went into a full funk, like, like spiraled. Stop going to the office. Like everything shifted for me. And I it was I had finally reached the level where it caught. I had the house, I had the money. We had our first kid.

00:36:46:15 - 00:37:08:23
Unknown
Like everything, I had hit the goal, the Super Bowl moment. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It was a hunter. It was a Super Bowl moment. And I walked away feeling empty. Like what? What now? Yeah. And so that's meaningless, right? There was there was no meaning in the things or in the dollar amount. Right. And so at that point I'm like, all right, well, I could lose everything.

00:37:08:23 - 00:37:26:08
Unknown
I could gain everything, but there's no so cause it created a loose grip, relationship. That's how I visualize life. I have a very loose grip on money, even on what I want to. I want to lean into relationships, but they come and go also. Yeah, they have a loose grip on the things in life. The only thing that I want to have the tight grip on is Christ.

00:37:26:11 - 00:37:46:11
Unknown
Like he's the one thing I'm gripped onto because at any point also God. Yeah, God can remove anything. And if I have a grip on anything but God, he might try to shake up, loosen my hands on that grip. And so I'm like, all right. So I walk around like, Lord, I gotta loose grip. Yeah, you know, you don't have to shake it if you don't want to.

00:37:46:16 - 00:38:07:21
Unknown
I'm willing to give you whatever and hand off hand whatever back to you. But I do have a loose grip on this stuff. And so it's a, I think those those things all correlate, right? The power that we, that God has given us and our wristbands, as they say, a powered by God. Right. So yes, a mustang is a very powerful creature and and God gives us the power.

00:38:07:21 - 00:38:23:09
Unknown
Right. He gives us the power that we operate within. And there's a whole nother level of power available when we step in man. Yeah, yeah. So it's, that I let the Mustang thing fire me up. Thanks. That was one of the one of the coolest, correlations that I've, that I've heard in a while for meekness.

00:38:23:09 - 00:38:43:27
Unknown
Because we always hear power under restraint. Yeah. Yeah. Right. But we don't have that example. Yeah. So that was so, so the one of the most difficult times was having your idol broke, which was your idol with, I guess being famous or getting, having a reputation. Being valued, being approved by. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:38:43:29 - 00:38:59:05
Unknown
If I'm honest, I think I wanted to be, like, Christian famous. Okay. But the the good famous. Yeah. Right. Like it's a good famous. I wanted, I wanted to stage like it's so cringe you to talk about the like I was working at a church for a while and sometimes they'd let me do like communion, you know. Yeah.

00:38:59:05 - 00:39:27:03
Unknown
And I would milk that thing. I'd be on that. I'd give a little mini sermon and I would, I'd be going for it because I just wanted this. I wanted to claim I wanted people to think I was impressive and noteworthy, and the Lord had to chop it all. Yeah, the it like and it dude, I like you like you were saying like the intimacy with the Lord in the moments of the despair and the anxiety when he strips it all from you.

00:39:27:05 - 00:39:47:13
Unknown
It's beautiful. It's like that. Those are the golden moments of faith, you know, it's like the, the verse in James consider it pure joy when you face testing it, or trials when he comes for the testing of your faith produces perseverance. That we're testing means to scrape off the impurities off of metals after you've melted them down.

00:39:47:15 - 00:40:06:03
Unknown
And so you consider it joy because you know what it's doing. And I think when you when you've gone through it enough times to be like, I've been here before, this feels really familiar. Like everything's been stripped away, but like, okay, here we go. You know, like I'm more Lord and, that comes to mind as iron sharpening iron.

00:40:06:03 - 00:40:32:26
Unknown
So the sharpening of iron is actually there's shards left off, like when that, when you're, when you're being sharpened, you're it's literally part of you being scraped off. Yeah. That's the process. And so I love what you said because we teach on that verse a lot. James one two, three and four. I consider it pure joy. And what, what resonated was the one of the reasons you can consider it pure joy is, you know, what's happening.

00:40:33:00 - 00:40:50:12
Unknown
Yeah. So you're clear on the process the first time it might be agitating and confusing and. Yeah, but then after a while you realize, oh, this is just a part of the process. Yeah. So imagine like a knife being sharpened. If it was freaking out every time it happened. Right? It's like, no, no, no. Oh yeah. Okay. Bring it on.

00:40:50:14 - 00:41:14:03
Unknown
It's painful. It hurts. And I know what it's doing. Yes. Yeah. You've got I mean the model is you cannot bear fruit unless you're pruned. Yeah. You know, what and we talked about masculinity and man. And what you're seeing, like, what are you what age range would you say your audience typically falls within. Depends on the the platform.

00:41:14:03 - 00:41:39:03
Unknown
Yeah. But I think I'm all over the spectrum. Okay. Like I'm, I'm from young people to 70 year olds. Okay. So, yeah the analytics, it's kind of like, you know, 25 to, you know, 45 is probably the majority. And then, yeah, like young 20s, teens and then older folks on Facebook, I'm sure it's old people. Yeah, yeah.

00:41:39:06 - 00:41:58:01
Unknown
Hey, I'm on Facebook. Yeah. But, yeah, I've heard a lot of people are moving back to Facebook. It's just, I like it. I enjoy Facebook still. Yeah. My guys are trying to get me off Facebook. You need to be on Instagram. Yeah. More so back to, so, so related to to to manhood and masculinity.

00:41:58:04 - 00:42:18:18
Unknown
What are you what are you seeing? So you mentioned earlier that you have a heart for men. Yeah, right. You really have a heart for men you're passionate about seeing, man. What what are you seeing in our country right now with men? And what do you see as the path that they can take to step into what God has called them into?

00:42:18:20 - 00:42:49:03
Unknown
Yeah, I think they're. You can look like where media has gone. Is now the influencers that are the most popular figures, especially with young people, Gen Z, Gen Alpha, they're looking to the Logan Paul's. They're not looking at the Brad Pitt's. You know that like that's that's past generation. So fame is accessible in a in a way that it never has been before, where 80% of ten year olds say they want to be influencers now.

00:42:49:04 - 00:43:13:10
Unknown
Like, that's a wild stat. Or out of four out of 510 year olds, if you ask them, what do you want to be when you grow up? They will say influencer. So the world has really shifted for young people, and I don't think a lot of older folks have really caught on to that. What that means, though, is that every young man in America is being discipled by someone that they find online the algorithms, and then showing them more men like that.

00:43:13:13 - 00:43:40:24
Unknown
So there's discipleship happening on screens right now, so you can look at like, who are the popular figures? The popular figures are men who stand for something unapologetically, who don't care what you think, who are funny, who are masculine, who are, witty and and and like, you would want to be friends with these dudes. But the problem is, you don't see that in the church right now.

00:43:40:26 - 00:44:07:18
Unknown
You don't see that in Christendom. You don't see figures like that that are out there like, why can Jordan Peterson build stadiums like he's he's delivering truth and he's a good example, right. Like he's he's legit. But for every Jordan Peterson there's, there's ten that you know for the younger generation that are discipling them and that are daily giving them their version of truth.

00:44:07:21 - 00:44:29:00
Unknown
And these are ten year olds that are emulating them because they want to be like them, at least four out of five of them. And so what I see in the younger generation is I see a hunger for models. They're hungry for men to model what's going on in here. Like who am like, am I a man? What is a man?

00:44:29:03 - 00:44:50:02
Unknown
They don't they wouldn't know how to verbalize it. That's the question they're they're asking, but they're asking it a thousand different ways. What is my worth? What is my value? Am I valuable? And I think that that there's an opportunity. There's a reason why, like you said, there's a lot of Christian ministries popping up. Yeah. But who's reaching the ten year olds?

00:44:50:04 - 00:45:21:06
Unknown
You know what I mean? Like like it's the Bryce Crawfords and the David lightings and the, shoot, Braxton Meacham and like the, the, the young 20, 21 year old content creators that are like Christians that are sharing the gospel like that. Here's the, here's the sad part that have ministries that you wouldn't even fathom, like a guy like Bryce Crawford reached a billion people last year for the gospel, a billion.

00:45:21:09 - 00:45:54:16
Unknown
And guys like, how old is he? He said 2121 David Latin, they're in it during Covid times, had 100 million likes on TikTok. You probably have never heard those names before today. Like, but these are young men that are doing it for good. And, I think that older people need to understand that and champion it. And champion it with their dollars, because there are some of these men that are like, about to go work at Costco because they don't have a path forward, but they're reaching tons of people.

00:45:54:16 - 00:46:15:27
Unknown
So to answer your question, what are they looking for? They're looking for models. They're looking for authenticity, and they're looking for truth, and they're getting it in fabricated forms. They're getting it just a quarter turn off. They're getting the Andrew Tate's. Yeah, that are that are, incredibly misogynistic and disgusting people that are loved by God but are working for the enemy.

00:46:15:29 - 00:46:38:23
Unknown
And, might say some good things, though. And so you, you're getting poisoned, though, with the pool of maybe, like, good. Some good stuff. Yeah. And so I say there's a lot of, Right. There's a lot of truths out there. Right? But they're partial truths. And so a partial truth will steer somebody over a period of time way off.

00:46:38:23 - 00:47:03:21
Unknown
Like an example of, like, personal power. Right. All right Tony Robbins. Right. So it's like yeah he has a lot of there's a lot of good things that he shares. And that one seemingly small thing like personal power, it's like dude no your power comes from God. Yes. Like at a core level. And so that one thing can eventually start to shift you off track where like, I don't I don't know if I need God, I think, I think I got this.

00:47:03:21 - 00:47:24:13
Unknown
Yeah, I think I got it on my own. Yeah. And and here's what I would say. So like the algorithms are discipling not just young men but people like, and they're creating silos. We know this, right? We're creating the Democrat Republican divide. And because because the it's just going to feed you what you watch. So you get fed more stuff that you like.

00:47:24:16 - 00:47:45:21
Unknown
Young men are hungry for models of masculinity. And so they're just getting fed garbage. They're getting fed garbage models and they're going after it. And then, oh, what else are they looking at? They're looking at porn. So and what happens in porn? You dehumanize women, you degrade women. And so you're seeing you're getting fed and they're not even into their brains.

00:47:45:21 - 00:48:13:05
Unknown
Even their prefrontal cortex is mashed potatoes at this point. So they're they don't even know what's happening to them, but they're being discipled into someone in the image of the devil who wants to feed you imagery instead of authentic intimacy. And so what is the how do we combat that? I think we need more men and young men that are understanding the way the world works right now and doing more of this.

00:48:13:11 - 00:48:36:27
Unknown
This is how we combat it. We have conversations about it, and then we do exactly what you're doing. Rise up. Kings know your identity. Like we're going to do hard things together. We're going to we're going to plan out like like what your future looks like with Christ and how you can walk into purity and holiness. And we champion voices that are sharing truth.

00:48:36:29 - 00:49:06:12
Unknown
And, so, yeah, it's it's it's it looks bleak. But there's such a hunger for truth and there's such a pendulum swing. I mean, you start with the election, right? Yeah. Holy cow. Like the culture shifting people, culture shift. Yeah. It's it's huge. Things are things are changing. And even, you know, I talked to some buddies who are in the, you know, medical industry that are online and just all the weirdness that's there.

00:49:06:18 - 00:49:39:21
Unknown
And they're like, we couldn't say some of these things until RFK start saying them. Now we can say them. They just all they needed was a model. They just needed someone to go first and to bash their head against the wall till it broke. And then everyone else came after them. Yeah. And so if you're listening to this and you're in one of two camps, you're in the camp where you're being called up to be that model, to be that man that models what it looks like to follow Christ with all your heart and to not yield and bend to the culture, or you're in the camp that needs to retrain your algorithm, and

00:49:39:21 - 00:50:04:27
Unknown
you just start understanding that you're being discipled towards evils in these micro lies by these influencers and by these these personalities online. So good, so good. What, what's what's next for you, man? So you have, your build, your you got a few different things that you're working on, some amazing things. What, What's next for you over the next five years?

00:50:04:27 - 00:50:39:17
Unknown
Like, where do you see your biggest impact? I think, I mean, the first thing that comes to mind is my family. Like, I think, yeah, I think, like, I want to raise. I've got. I just had another boy, he's he's a month old. Four kids or kids all under six. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want to I want to really be present with them and, and then I want to do a lot of cool stuff out of rest, and, I, I want to communicate the love of Jesus through multiple mediums on social media, through filmmaking.

00:50:39:19 - 00:50:59:03
Unknown
And, I'm writing a book right now, too, that's called Mickey's a mustang. So it's, it's great. Can't wait till a thing comes out bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, we're creating a bunch of online communities through the Jesus people. So the Jesus people, it's my podcast, but it's also going to become a bunch of communities of people that are just going through stuff.

00:50:59:03 - 00:51:18:15
Unknown
A freedom from pornography group, a, anxiety group, you know, everything that you can think of under the sun that people are going through and struggling with creating these communities and these resources for people. So those are that's what I think I'll be doing over the next five years. I think I'll stay focused on that and then just communicate the gospel online, like, that's that's what I love doing.

00:51:18:15 - 00:51:38:26
Unknown
I love spending time with Jesus and then sharing what he tells me. Where can people, find you and what and what resources do you have for people that are that you've built? Yeah. So we actually have one of the largest, video based Christian mental health platforms on the planet. So, we have courses on all the different topics of struggle.

00:51:38:29 - 00:52:02:20
Unknown
We have coaches, we have a, very large coaching team. And I say coaching is probably the best word for it, but really it's the intersection of spiritual formation and psychology, of biblical principles meets prayer, meets therapeutic stuff. So it's, a bunch of men and women who are, you know, either have their certification or their, their, you know, degree in therapy.

00:52:02:22 - 00:52:21:21
Unknown
And, they're praying with you and talking through your stuff. And so, we've had thousands of people that have gone through this and received a lot of help and a lot of hope and healing because, the mental health world is is an interesting one as well. It's it's, it's a lot of peddling peace without the Prince of Peace.

00:52:21:24 - 00:52:39:00
Unknown
And so that's what we're seeking to solve is we're seeking to how do we, in the middle of your struggle, allow you to encounter the Prince of Peace? And so if you're looking for resources like that, you can just go to share the struggle, dawg. And, connect with someone or you'll get a course or, my podcast, it's called The Jesus People.

00:52:39:02 - 00:53:00:10
Unknown
I like interviewing Jesus people. People who commune deeply with Jesus. And then online, it's just Ryan Miller. You can look up Ryan Miller on YouTube. X, TikTok, Instagram, Facebook. So love it. Appreciate you. Thanks for coming on. It was so much, wisdom and fire that you brought. And I look forward to a future conversations.

00:53:00:10 - 00:53:02:29
Unknown
Let's do it, man. Thank you so much. Winona. Yeah.