Most Men Let Fear Win — Rob Riggle Didn’t (And It Changed Everything)

Most men let fear control their lives. Popular actor and former Marine Rob Riggle didn’t — and it changed everything. From the Marines to "Step Brothers" to Saturday Night Live to a powerful acting career, Rob shares how breaking past fear reshaped his life. This Rise Up Kings episode is a masterclass in mental toughness, identity, faith, and what it really means to become a man in today’s world.

Whether you’re stuck, soft, or seeking purpose, this episode will wake you up.

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00:00 - Rob Riggle’s Life-Changing Moment
01:12 - From Comedy to Combat: His Unlikely Path
03:20 - The Power of Perceived Limits
05:18 - How the Marines Destroy Fear
07:45 - Becoming a Man: Real Masculine Breakthroughs
10:10 - Why Most Men Stay Stuck
12:02 - Rob’s First Time on Stage: Brutal Truth
14:33 - How to Punch Through Fear
17:20 - The Drift: Why Men Quit Too Soon
19:10 - Skylar’s Rise Up Method Revealed
22:45 - Faith That Creates Peace
25:00 - Men Without Peace Are Dangerous
28:18 - Rob’s Routine for Mental Strength
30:40 - Laughing Through the Pain (Step Brothers)
34:12 - Final Words to Men Who Feel Lost


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Transcript

00:00:00:00 - 00:00:15:09
Unknown
I had the most fun, probably all stepbrothers, just because we got to improvise. And that's how I came up. You did want to ruin a take by laughing. The forbidden laugh is often the best laugh. The church laugh, as I like to call it. My limits were here. That was my perceived limits. This is the most I can do.

00:00:15:16 - 00:00:30:20
Unknown
This is me maxed out. And then I went to the Marines and they said, oh, no, no, no. This is what you can do. I said, that's impossible. That's no way. That's what I can do, that eventually you're going to break through, but you got to keep doing it. And then when you break through all those dreams that you had, all those opportunities you've desired, they'll come true.

00:00:30:21 - 00:00:47:13
Unknown
What are some ways that you pull out of a funnel? Journaling is interesting to me. I'm lazy, so I don't journal. If you write. If you say, if you use all your senses, you see, you write, you touch, you put the words down, you'll retain it. It goes up like ten on your attainment of the stuff if you'll journal.

00:00:47:14 - 00:01:06:12
Unknown
There's a ton of cliches, but they're great cliches. They're cliches for a reason because they've been proven true. If you listen to these coaches and you'll execute on those things, or sayings or mottos or creeds or whatever you want to call them, but they're true. But what are some of them? All your dreams are on the other side of your sphere.

00:01:06:15 - 00:01:32:11
Unknown
Rob, welcome to the show. Thank you. Thanks for having me. Yeah, this is exciting, man. You are a very dynamic man. Just 23 years in the military, right? Yeah. And then moving into comedy and acting into some directing, into being a TV show host. All kinds of stuff. I'm curious. I have so many questions. But first off, how did you go from the military to comedy and acting?

00:01:32:15 - 00:01:54:01
Unknown
It's that's pretty hard up shift. Yeah. They they they don't seem like they mutually support each other. I, I, I had more than one dream. I guess it's the best way to say it. Yeah. Did you have that before you went into the military? Yeah, I did, active or comedy? Both. I was a theater film major at the University of Kansas.

00:01:54:01 - 00:02:22:17
Unknown
Got it. And even in high school, you know, I was a child of the 80s. So I grew up watching these amazing comedies that I loved. Caddyshack. Ghostbusters. Meatballs. Three amigos. You know, all these just great comedies. Stripes. And, so I was just a fan of comedy and fan of, acting.

00:02:22:17 - 00:02:40:03
Unknown
It was something I just I loved on. I thought it was awesome. And I, I would I thought I would love to do it one day. I thought that would be fantastic. It would be really cool to do. But I also didn't have the stones, so to speak, to do it. Yeah. Yeah. Because again, I was a child of the 80s and I thought, well, if I go to college, I got to have a job.

00:02:40:03 - 00:02:53:01
Unknown
And, you know, I got to be realistic. You got to be realistic, you know, which is very limiting belief. But at the same time, I was like, I got to be realistic. I'm not going to be a, you know, I'm not I live in Kansas. I don't know any of this before cell phones and the internet, by the way.

00:02:53:03 - 00:03:09:10
Unknown
So I didn't think, you know, I just didn't think I would be able to get out there and get any traction and do anything. So I just was like, all right. So I was like, what's my other dream? And I was like, oh, I want to serve. I want to serve. I was wanted to serve. My grandfather served in World War Two.

00:03:09:12 - 00:03:29:00
Unknown
And, I had uncles that served and I just thought, you know, I was very patriotic guy. So that was, you think, ingrained in you with your from your family that that was a little bit for my family and just a lot of, I think also growing again going back to the 80s. Growing up in the 80s, I was just a very patriotic guy.

00:03:29:07 - 00:03:55:17
Unknown
Yeah. I really I, I saw right away sometimes you just click early and for me, this country clicked early for me. Maybe it was, you know, the big scary, you know, Soviet Union menace or whatever, but like, I remember watching the 80 Olympic hockey team, you know, win the gold medal, right? Or they beat the Russians or whatever.

00:03:55:17 - 00:04:21:16
Unknown
And, and, I just I was always filled with patriot. I just thought we had a great country. Even as a young, young person, I could see, you know, freedom, being freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of, just freedom, you know, liberty. That's a huge, huge thing. And I thought it was better, than than other systems that were out there.

00:04:22:22 - 00:04:42:15
Unknown
I know it sounds like crazy for a young kid to think that way, but I just thought it was a. We had a really good thing now. I don't think were perfect, but nothing is. Yeah. Nothing is. You know, the critics of this country love to throw rocks. Fine. Go ahead. But go find better. Oh, wait. You know, and,

00:04:42:18 - 00:05:01:27
Unknown
So anyway, I was very patriotic, young man. And, I thought the best way I could give back was serving. So that's what I did out of college. Well, and you were. So you were in for 23 years. Yeah. Okay, I we did nine years on active duty. Okay. 14 in the reserves. Okay. That's how I was able because people always like the math doesn't add up.

00:05:01:28 - 00:05:19:14
Unknown
Yeah. Well, it's because I did nine active and then the 14 that I was in the reserves, I was also pursuing comedy and acting. Okay. So, you know, while I was on Saturday Night Live, while I was on The Daily Show, while I was doing these things, I was going to drill, you know, I was I was still going to drill.

00:05:19:14 - 00:05:46:22
Unknown
I was still, putting in my time. I when I was on the Daily Show in New York, I was in command of Staff College out in Miramar, California. So I would have to fly back once a month for an entire weekend and go to school. Down to Miramar, command of staff. And then I would take the redeye back to New York, land on a Monday morning and go straight back to work, you know, and that was I had to do that for two years while I was on The Daily Show.

00:05:46:24 - 00:06:12:20
Unknown
How many other guys did you know that were doing that? That were in it? You know, in the reserves, there were several. Yeah, that were active, were in my class acting and. Oh, not acting. Not acting. Yeah. That's I had other career. Interesting. Yeah. So acting and in the reserves. Yeah. You know, the, the military used to, you know, obviously back in the days when, when service was more, what am I looking for?

00:06:12:20 - 00:06:38:24
Unknown
Compulsory, I guess, you know, when it was more, demanded, I guess, or it was required. You had a lot of, veterans and military folks in the entertainment field that this doesn't, because now we have a since 1975, we have an all volunteer force. Yeah. So you just don't see it that much there, there. And I've met a lot of great veterans that are in the, acting and entertainment world.

00:06:39:18 - 00:06:59:14
Unknown
But they're not as prevalent as they used to be. You know, you, you know, a lot of actors, from the old days, you know, all served in World War two or Korea or something, right? Did you did you get a new, comedy first or or acting, acting first? But comedy was, I wanted to be a comedic actor.

00:06:59:23 - 00:07:19:24
Unknown
Well, that's what I wanted to do. Nowadays, though, I were actually doing more drama. So, it's one of those things, I think anything you do, a lot of you want to do, the next thing you want to, you know, you want to grow. You want to always grow. I think, you know, if you're not growing, you're dying.

00:07:19:24 - 00:07:41:01
Unknown
You've heard all these things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And and I think there's some truth to that. I think you need to refresh and try different things. So, yeah, actors all want to be, musicians. Musicians all want to be comedians. You know, it's, because you you kind of master your space or you get really good at your space, and then you're like, oh, what I'd love to do, I want to do that, or I admire what they're doing.

00:07:41:03 - 00:08:01:06
Unknown
Can I do it? And then you want to try it? But, yeah. So I started, kind of simultaneously. But I would say acting first. I feel like directing is one of the natural progressions, right? For actors and just to move into. And it makes sense too, because, you know, when you're in front of the camera, you learn all the tricks of the trade in front of the camera.

00:08:01:08 - 00:08:19:15
Unknown
Yeah. And there's a lot of considerations that actors are dealing with and thinking about and trying to to, bring to their performance so that when they do get in front of the camera. Because what do you do in front of the camera? Lives forever, right? You know, you don't get to redo it later on or tweak it later on.

00:08:19:17 - 00:08:39:27
Unknown
So, you know, they're trying very hard to to be in the present, in the moment and, and be true to that character and, and flush out all the detail they can get, you know, so they can give a hopefully a good performance, even a comedic performance, you know, you need to flesh out things, you need to rethink, and you need to work out what what would be the most obnoxious thing I could do right now?

00:08:40:01 - 00:09:09:01
Unknown
What's the worst thing I could say at this moment? What's the you know, you're thinking in these terms? So when you get behind the camera, you can really help the actors. And then you can also you if you do it long enough, you see, you start to see how the, the cake is made and you're like, oh yeah, well, if I was behind the camera, I would get this shot and I would do this and I would edit here and I'd smash cut to that and, you know, and then you start piecing together and becomes very, very fun.

00:09:09:01 - 00:09:24:02
Unknown
So yeah, it is a natural progression to go from in front to behind before I have some questions on some of the, the film that you've done, one of them obviously stepbrothers. We got to talk about that for a moment. I just curious on oh, no, I got so I have so many. Yeah, funny points on that one.

00:09:24:08 - 00:09:42:20
Unknown
But so what's interesting, though, is the military. I heard on one of your interviews that you did, you were on at at my let's show. Yeah. Right. And so, it was on the you talked about how the military was really pivotal for you stepping into either. Did you mention manhood or just really, like, maturing? Yeah, in a big way.

00:09:42:20 - 00:10:10:24
Unknown
It was I think I called it because I've, I've said it in the past, but I, I call it my bridge from boyhood. The man, the Marines. Yeah. Yeah. Because I was 19 when I joined and you know, I was 19, you know, I was a knucklehead. But the Marines have a wonderful way of taking you from knucklehead to man, and, it's a, it's a process, you know, it's a crucible, in a great way.

00:10:11:11 - 00:10:28:12
Unknown
And you realize you're capable of so much more than you thought you were capable of, which is, That's a great lesson. And it's a great lesson to learn early. You know, and that's why I give Marines credit. The Marines, I was my my limits were here. That was my perceived limits. This is the most I can do.

00:10:28:15 - 00:10:46:07
Unknown
This is me maxed out. And then I went to the Marines and they said, oh, no, no, no, this is what you can do. I say, that's impossible. That's no way. That's what I can do. That and I but I would not have done that had I not been in the Marines, because I wouldn't have pushed myself beyond my perceived limits.

00:10:46:09 - 00:11:01:10
Unknown
So I give the Marines a lot of credit. But then when I did push myself beyond my perceived limits and I realized, oh my gosh, I can do this. Well, then I started to realize, oh, sorry to ask questions. I was like, well, if I can do that, maybe I could do this. And if I can do that, maybe I can do this.

00:11:01:13 - 00:11:20:29
Unknown
So then I started thinking, well, I can pretty much accomplish whatever I set my mind to if I work hard enough and dedicate myself to it and put in the blood, sweat and tears. Or maybe I could be an actor. Maybe I could be a comedian. I mean, if not me. Who? Somebody's going to do it. Why not me?

00:11:21:01 - 00:11:39:02
Unknown
You know, you start asking these questions, then you start going, you know what I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. So I give the Marines a lot of credit. The Marines never, ever gave me anything tangible that they don't teach acting or. Yeah, I'm in the Marines. Yeah, but what they gave me was intangible, which was just that it opened up possibility, the mindset.

00:11:39:02 - 00:11:59:04
Unknown
Right. So it shifted. So you were able to, you were able to step into a new realm of possibility. And from that new that new realm, you were able to see the world differently. Yeah. Well, through possibility, because possibility is a game changer. And what's so powerful, it's that's a great it's a great lesson that the Marines kind of catapulted you into part into into what's possible.

00:11:59:04 - 00:12:16:16
Unknown
Like, I have more potential available. And I think like we're people are searching for that and they don't if they don't go to the Marines, right. Where do they get to step into this new and I call it breaking through a threshold. Right. So we all have a certain amount of capacity that we have available to us.

00:12:16:16 - 00:12:34:10
Unknown
So imagine like a circle and we're in the center of that. And what happens is as we as we run into the line of our capacity, we call it the threshold. As we hit that threshold, we do 1 or 2 things. If it's by ourselves, with nobody around, we're usually just revert back. We come back into our circle and we're like, oh, that was safe.

00:12:34:10 - 00:12:52:22
Unknown
It's comfortable. Yeah, I know it. I hit my limit, right? I hit my limit. I can't go further. Yeah. And then what? But what how you expand capacity is you push, you push through. Right. So you just keep going. You push through and that's and that's where that's where the breakthroughs happen. That's where. And there's, there's a ton of cliches, but they're great cliches.

00:12:52:22 - 00:13:11:16
Unknown
They're cliches for a reason because they've been proven true. And if you're if you'll do it, you know, if you'll listen to these cliches and you'll execute on those things and I call them cliches or sayings or mottos or creeds or whatever you want to call them, but they're true. What are some what are some of them? All your dreams are on the other side of your fear.

00:13:12:27 - 00:13:29:21
Unknown
Yeah. Yep. That's what, that's what it and it is. And if you, if you'll punch through that fear, if you'll stand up and face that fear, if you'll look it in the eye and address it and get knocked down by it like you know your fear will come true, maybe you might get knocked down. You might get your, your butt kicked.

00:13:29:21 - 00:13:48:00
Unknown
You know, but get back up and do it again. Get back up and do it again. And but I don't want to get punched in the nose again. I hated it. It's hurt. It was embarrassing. Everybody laughed I it got knocked down. I feel like a I just want to go home. No it back up. Do it again.

00:13:48:02 - 00:14:05:19
Unknown
It hurts. I get punched in the nose. Do it again. Eventually you're going to learn how to block that painful and you're going to learn how to punch back. Eventually you're going to break through, but you got to keep doing it. And then when you break through all those dreams that you had, all those opportunities you desired, all they'll come true.

00:14:05:21 - 00:14:36:05
Unknown
They'll happen, they will you. But nobody likes to get punched in the nose and knocked down. So they go back home, they pack up and they take their ball and they go home. And then they they justify it by, oh, I'm better. Actually, I'm happier here. I'm glad I'm, you know, and they, they rationalize all of that. So I remember when I got to New York, I got up, I took a stand up class, I hated it, I thought I made a huge mistake, you know, because I had quit flight school and all this stuff, and I was like, I'm going to be this comedian.

00:14:36:05 - 00:14:54:18
Unknown
And I thought, what was I thinking? I, I'm terrible at this, I hate it. And I got up on stage and I did five minutes of standup and it's it was fine, but I hated it. I hated it, I really hated it. I can't describe how much I hate interesting. Yeah. Oh, because I was so scared, I, my heart was racing.

00:14:54:18 - 00:15:17:09
Unknown
Yeah. I felt like I was in a car accident. That's. I mean, it was one of those things where I couldn't like when it was over, I was like, what happened? I mean, really, that's how much adrenaline was pumping through my body. Yeah, I was over whelmed with adrenaline. And, I just remember thinking. I just remember thinking I made the biggest mistake of my life doing this, pursuing this.

00:15:17:12 - 00:15:37:12
Unknown
And I hated the whole experience. And then I calmed down and I said, well, you're here. You're not going back. You can and you can't un ring the bell. So the only way I'm the only way forward is forward. So we got to go. So get back up on that stage and do it again. I did and it sucked.

00:15:37:12 - 00:15:58:11
Unknown
But it didn't suck as much as the first time. And I did it again. And it got a little better. And I got. And you just keep going. And sure enough, I got to a place where seven years later, I got on Saturday Live and my dream come true, right? Or at least the dream of being able to entertain and do this thing.

00:15:58:14 - 00:16:25:23
Unknown
But I could very easily quit very easily. I think most people do. Yeah, I think and I think that's that's probably where, you know, the that's why I, that's why I give the Marines, credit. Okay. Because I remember being exhausted. Exhausted. And, we, we, platoon sergeant came in or whatever. So we're doing a night march, and I'm like, we've been up all day.

00:16:25:23 - 00:16:42:11
Unknown
You know, we've been we've been going at it for 14 hours, whereas now we're good. It's like showing up at the beginning of a marathon, running a marathon, and then you get to the finish line. This is great. This is actually the starting line. We're getting ready to run a marathon, right? What? Because we literally we went on a night march all night until dawn 26 miler.

00:16:42:13 - 00:16:59:20
Unknown
Right. And I was like, that's this will never happen. My body won't do it. I don't have I don't have it. It ain't going to happen. Well next morning guess what? We all finished together. It happened. Right? And then you start going, wow, that's what I'm talking about. Perceived limits. First your real limits. Yeah. And that's why I give them race credit.

00:16:59:20 - 00:17:18:01
Unknown
Because they kick my butt to get I would have I would never push myself like that. Yeah. But then you realize, you know, you don't have to have a drill sergeant kicking your butt all the time. You can do this, right? You can do it, but you have to see it. Maybe taste it first to realize, oh, I need to.

00:17:18:03 - 00:17:35:01
Unknown
I need to remember I can punch through these things. Yeah. It's interesting. That's a big part of what we do at the Rock events. Yeah, well that's what that's what we got 54 guys right now. What time is it? It's, nine, 9:00, basically. Yeah. So we got 54 guys that are going diving straight. Then we got, we got our drill instructors.

00:17:35:01 - 00:17:58:18
Unknown
Right? That's that's the thing I gotta say, Skyler, when when I saw your your thing on Instagram and I thought, that looks like the Crucible at the Marine Corps. That looks like, you're you're doing what I'm describing in a way. Yep. And you're doing expanding capacity. Yeah. We show them what their kid. We help these men get to a place where first they get they get exhausted mentally, spiritually, emotionally.

00:17:58:18 - 00:18:11:24
Unknown
They're just kind of, like, drained. And then we, you you break down their defenses so that you can actually get some, some real going on. Get some real. Yeah. Because the guys, when guys initially show up to events, it's all ego. But they kind of got their, you know, they got their chest up like they're checking everybody out.

00:18:11:24 - 00:18:27:16
Unknown
But once you're in the mud, your face is in the mud. You're not you're not trying that. You're not trying to look the gorilla or I remember the marine where we all we all showed up and you're looking around and you're like, these guys are huge. And everybody's yeah, you know, tough. And you're like, wow. Yeah. Cut to everybody's got a shed shaved head.

00:18:27:16 - 00:18:49:28
Unknown
We're shivering. Yeah. You know mean it doesn't matter man or something fades away. It's just the same. And so through and through the event we actually we actually push yeah. We push them to the limits and then past. Past their limits. That's it's just a such a beautiful thing. And then that opens up possibility and they go, wow, I can't believe I just did something so hard and so difficult and like what?

00:18:50:03 - 00:19:11:27
Unknown
But but and then yet I don't I'm not I'm not willing to play with my son on the floor. Legos. You know, after after 5 p.m.. Because I'm tired of a long day of work. Right. But I just spent three days going through something really so intense yet, you know, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta have a beer on the couch and kind of stay for the entire night because I need my space.

00:19:11:27 - 00:19:30:23
Unknown
Like, no, you have more time available for your family. We really do. But but when we're when. So we're just so used to living a life of comfort, though, that we just. We think. We think we're our limits. Just you talked about about your false your what would you call it? Your perceived perceived limit. Yeah. It's your perceived limits, not your actual limit.

00:19:30:23 - 00:19:49:00
Unknown
It's your perceived limit. Yeah. We have more gas in the tank. So I think the military trains guys. You have any maybe intentional. You have to be intentional. Yeah. You know that's a big part of it I think if you if you're not intentional and if you don't have a plan for yourself, someone else will, you know, and believe me, I'm.

00:19:49:00 - 00:20:07:03
Unknown
I'm the king of. I need time to chill out, you know? And there's some we all. We all do. And there's value in that. I don't want to degrade that. Because if you empty out your, you know, yourself, you don't, you know, and and you're giving it away all the time and you don't recharge. You got nothing. Eventually you not going to have anything to give.

00:20:07:04 - 00:20:24:06
Unknown
Yeah. You're just going to be sitting there staring at the wall, or you're going to be kind of an empty shell. You're not going to be hearing people. You're not going to be present. So you do have to recharge yourself, but you need to be intentional about scheduling that. Like, for me, the Marines also taught me if you don't get your P10 in the morning, you ain't getting it in.

00:20:24:25 - 00:20:44:12
Unknown
Because there are too many excuses like, oh too many excuses. So I had a master sergeant who, Cherry Point who taught me that top Marriott, he's out there. He was great. He was, he was just, old school marine hardcore, you know, the kind of smoke a cigaret, flick it and then go for a ten mile run, you know?

00:20:44:18 - 00:21:04:29
Unknown
Yeah. How do you do that? But he was always like, no excuses. You get out of bed, your feet touch the ground, you put on your running shoes, you get your workout done first. You pay that, do first. That's done. You know you're done at 6 a.m.. Now take a shower and the rest of the day do whatever you got, all the tasks you got to do for the day.

00:21:04:29 - 00:21:20:06
Unknown
But if you don't get your exercise, it like if I told myself, I'll run at lunch, you know what's going to happen? It ain't going to happen. So he and so he was very intentional about his days that he pass that on to us. You know. And I remember thinking okay that's a, that's a good one to remember.

00:21:20:13 - 00:21:36:03
Unknown
There's a lot less there's a lot of great lessons out there if you'll if you're open. We is that when you do your, do you, do you work out in the morning. Right. I try I've been terrible lately because I've been on the road and I've got all kinds of excuses. I'm a excuse, master. Yeah. Yeah.

00:21:37:04 - 00:21:53:27
Unknown
But, yeah, I schedules. I mean, when you have a schedule where you do travel, that does make me. When I was when I saw what you were when I was a little younger, I was a little more like, oh, go, go, go. Let's go get my running to do this. You know, I'm, I'm slowing down a little more casual a bit.

00:21:54:03 - 00:22:13:09
Unknown
Yeah. What? So going to, going to Step Brothers. What? One of my favorite, one of my favorite, movies of all time, actually, not really kid appropriate. I put it on for my nine year old and my 12 year old boys. I'm like, you know what? Let's watch stepbrothers. And we're like, probably like ten minutes.

00:22:13:09 - 00:22:28:20
Unknown
And I'm like, oh, crap, this is not about me. Senior year is really not appropriate for my nine year old boy. That's a my boy was the same way. Like, I didn't let him see some of these things. And then he'd come back and he would see it at his friends. Yeah. So, like, how is he going to do.

00:22:28:21 - 00:22:49:16
Unknown
Totally. Yeah. It was it was pretty freaking hilarious. But, how was it working with, how is it working with Will Ferrell and how have you worked with him again? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Will is a, amazing, person. He's very kind, very gentle. He's a gentle giant. His characters are as big and robust and hilarious.

00:22:49:22 - 00:23:08:06
Unknown
But if you if you talk to him, he's he's very, you know, just kind of quiet, almost in hushed tones. He likes to talk. And he, he's, you know, most people think, oh, he must be hilarious all the time. No. That's impossible. It's an impossible standard to be on all the time. It's just too exhausting. He likes to talk about Trojan football.

00:23:08:06 - 00:23:26:00
Unknown
He likes to talk about, you know, what's going on in the world. He's, But he's always got that big smile and just gentle tone, you know? Yeah. So, I find would be awesome every time I see him. And I just saw him at the SNL 50th. Okay. And he was awesome. And we talked for a while.

00:23:26:07 - 00:23:44:13
Unknown
We did it. We did the other guys together. We did? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Step brothers, I had a small part in Talladega. It got cut way down. So we have circle each other for years and known each other and worked together. And then we just did a movie called strays, which was about dogs.

00:23:44:25 - 00:24:07:22
Unknown
And it was voiceover work for all of us. It was all dogs, live action dogs, and our animated. And, it came out during the writers strike. So there was no premiere, there was no hype, there was no advertising. Funny movie. Are hard-r. Really? Yeah. It's called strays. Interesting. But not for the kids. Not for the kids, not for the kids.

00:24:07:22 - 00:24:26:20
Unknown
Definitely not for the kids. But it was fun. It was like Jamie Fox, and Will Ferrell, Will Forte was the only only live action human in it. Okay. And then I played one of the dogs, and there's a group of a dog you play, military police dog. Police dog, a police dog. Okay. Go to Shepherd.

00:24:26:21 - 00:24:50:13
Unknown
Yep. Yeah. Okay. Okay. And it was, it was, but that was fun. So we actually hung out because we had a little private screening of that, and then, he and I did a table reading just a month ago. There's this program where, inmates write scripts and, and then, they, we, we do table readings for their material.

00:24:50:13 - 00:25:12:00
Unknown
And so it's a rehabilitation program for people that are, incarcerated that are trying to turn their lives around. So I ran into him there. Well, and, yeah, he's he's the best. What, what would you say is one of your, favorite movies that you've done? I had the most fun. Probably all stepbrothers. Yes.

00:25:12:00 - 00:25:34:12
Unknown
When you just mentioned. Yeah. Just because we got to improvise. And that's how I came up. Okay. Doing improv. At the Upright Citizens Brigade Theater in New York. And, Will has a, improv background and, director of the movie, Adam McKay, he came up doing improv in Chicago. And so we all had this improv back.

00:25:34:12 - 00:25:58:26
Unknown
And so we love to just, you know, the way it works generally when you have a, fun director like Adam McKay or a comedy director, you do it once as scripted because the studio paid a lot of money for that script. And so they want that. They want those words spoken on camera. So you do one take as scripted, then you get notes and you do it again.

00:25:58:28 - 00:26:12:18
Unknown
So that's two good takes, right? And when you have two really good takes in the can, then Adam was like, what do you guys want to do. You know, like you got any thoughts on. And we'd be like, yeah, can I try something? I want to try this one. And some of the stuff works great. Some of it does it.

00:26:12:18 - 00:26:38:27
Unknown
Yeah, some of it is really funny, but you can't use it because it's way off track. Yeah, yeah. And it but it's killer stuff, right. So you could probably make an entire another movie of, of stepbrothers with the stuff you left on the cutting room floor. Yeah. Because, you know, we would do the 2 or 3 takes, 2 or 3, or the studio, and then we do another six takes, you know, for, for the director.

00:26:39:00 - 00:26:56:11
Unknown
So he could get, you know, when he got into the editing bay, he could figure it all out and piece it together and use a little chunk here, a little chunk there. But, you know, it was just it was so hard to keep a straight face, and we just had so much fun. And you did want to ruin a take by laughing.

00:26:56:11 - 00:27:12:09
Unknown
So you really had, Yeah. You know, and the the the forbidden laugh is often the best laugh, you know, the the one you can't the church laugh, as I like to call it. Right. You know, you know, when your brother does something to you in church, you know, and you're like, oh, I don't know. How do you.

00:27:12:09 - 00:27:28:11
Unknown
I can't laugh right now. You know, it's it's, it's, we're all in prayers that the other you can't laugh right now. Those laughs are the ones that you try to hold back. Those are the ones the birds just come out first out. And so, And those are why I think they're the I call them church Laughs but they're the best laughs the best laugh.

00:27:28:14 - 00:27:45:27
Unknown
How often do you do you still get pals when you're walking by somewhere? I get a lot of pals. I do get a lot of pals, pal. Now, you know, I that I'll give them one of these, you know, they're they're, I get a lot of that. I get a lot of, in the face from hangover.

00:27:45:28 - 00:28:14:05
Unknown
Oh, yeah, a lot of. Not all my from the hangover. Oh, good. So good. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Well, the the what? What are you working on now? What projects? Well, I'm, sorry, you got a few different things. Kind of in the flyways. Yeah. Always got something working. Last year, I shot three movies. One was a dark comedy, with Sean William Scott called Bad Man.

00:28:14:06 - 00:28:28:27
Unknown
I think it's. I never know how these films are coming out anymore. I don't know if they're going straight to the digital platform or if they're going to have a theatrical release. Yeah, I kind of lose track of them because the post-production is way longer than the production always. You know, it takes two, two months to shoot a movie.

00:28:28:27 - 00:28:46:00
Unknown
It takes 12 months to edit it and get it ready and, you know, do all the finishing stuff. Yeah. You know, I say 12. It could take six months, whatever it takes. But it's longer to do post-production than it is on average. How long does it take to so? About two, three months to shoot a movie. To shoot a movie to shoot?

00:28:46:02 - 00:29:08:07
Unknown
Yeah. Generally speaking, it's and it depends on the budget. If it's a studio film or an indie film, you know, it's budgets, everything. Yeah. So if you're a, you know, if you're shooting Mission Impossible, it could be 120 days, you know, maybe 90 days. It depends on the schedule. Plus they have all these massive stunts and they're in different sitting there in Paris and they're in London.

00:29:08:07 - 00:29:28:14
Unknown
So that's a massive scale one, right? Yeah. An indie film. You may get 10 to 15 days of actual film, you know, shooting time. So you got to knock that sucker out, in 20 days. Yeah. So it just depends on budget. Really. Got it, got it, but I wouldn't. Yeah, it's probably not longer than 90 days.

00:29:28:14 - 00:29:48:19
Unknown
Or if you're talking like a big budget film and on a big scale, 90 to 120 days, to do that and even 100. Right. That's how long? Probably 90, to be honest with you, 90 days would be the upper end. Yeah. So you, so I love the,

00:29:48:21 - 00:30:05:09
Unknown
I love the dynamic ness. Right. And I watched, I watched some more. Your TV show hosts, the golf. What was it? What was a. Oh, Holy moly. Holy moly. Yes. The tour. Yeah, that was funny. With little, Kermit the Frog feel that way? That was a fun show. We had a good time with that.

00:30:05:09 - 00:30:23:13
Unknown
Yeah, we did four seasons of that, and I get a lot of that. People ask, you know, when's holy moly coming back? When I'm, I don't make that decision. Yeah. You get to talk to ABC. Yeah. I think the writers strike derailed a lot of projects, and Covid derailed a lot of projects. I think that was a it was a hard time.

00:30:23:13 - 00:30:52:07
Unknown
And then the strike, anytime there's a strike, it it really does mess up the ecosystem of entertainment. And right now, even those strikes been over for, you know, a year. It's between a year and 18 months for things to get right again before things start picking back up, before people start investing in projects again, before network start deciding what they're going to put on their air.

00:30:52:09 - 00:31:12:02
Unknown
You know, it's just a lot of so it's been it's been hard since the strike. The strike really going there. Yeah. So that's really interesting. So the writers went on strike for how long. How long were they on strike again? Oh gosh, I don't remember. It was probably somewhere between six months in a year. So in they call it a writer's strike.

00:31:12:02 - 00:31:30:22
Unknown
Is it just the writers know the the actors join. It's the actors that join. Well, we joined, I think the writers started it, then the actors joined. It was a residual fight. Okay. And it's a strike against it was really against the digital platforms when the digital platforms came in, and I'm no expert. So let me just say this.

00:31:30:22 - 00:31:57:20
Unknown
Yeah. Right now, if I say something that's inaccurate, I apologize. This was my understanding. Okay. So, the digital platforms really changed the landscape. The Netflix, the Hulu's they changed the landscape and and when it comes to negotiation and when it comes to figuring out who gets paid and how much and what's what's fair, what's right, what's what's the ballpark, there was a paradigm.

00:31:57:22 - 00:32:16:17
Unknown
There was a for years, there was a model. And and when the digital thing came onto the scene and so it blew up that that model, some say great. It was an old dinosaur. It needed to be changed. There was, you know, power was getting consolidated. It, you know, so it was a good thing that this happened because it opened up, opened up everything.

00:32:16:17 - 00:32:39:12
Unknown
That's true. But there's also some there's always downsides to any, you know, any upsides. So I think in the digital platform you, you couldn't get information. So you make a movie or you make a TV show for CBS, right. Well, they have Nielsen ratings and everybody gets access to them. So you can tell if your show is a hit or not a hit.

00:32:39:15 - 00:33:00:00
Unknown
You can tell how many people are watching or not watching. So it gives you leverage or at least bargaining power or and it gives the studio party bargaining power to know the show's a hit or not. Right. So if you know, they said, we're going to give you one season at 22 episodes, great. You got the season at the end of that season.

00:33:00:00 - 00:33:16:29
Unknown
If the show is like got great numbers and it's it's claiming it's doing well. But then the studio said, hey, we're going to be another season. You know, we're going to give you an that's a great, that's great. Are you going to pay us more because we're we're bringing in a lot of money for your network. Yes. We're going to bump your pay or actually your show's kind of a bubble show.

00:33:16:29 - 00:33:33:00
Unknown
So we're going to keep the pay the same or your show sucks, you know, no one's watching it, so you're gone. You're cut. We're going to get a new show and pilot season. Right. Well, the the digital you may show for the digital, they didn't share any of that. They didn't have to share any of their numbers. So you never knew what was going on.

00:33:33:00 - 00:33:46:21
Unknown
You would sit there and say, well, we everybody's talking about our show. It's a big hit in England. Not really. Not according to our numbers. So we're going to keep the pay the same and we'll give you another season. Well, for actors that, you know, eat what they kill, they're like, I'll take it. Just give me another say.

00:33:46:21 - 00:34:07:15
Unknown
I just want to work, you know? So, everybody was, you know, when you when one person can hold all the information, it gets a little weird. So obviously the writers and the actors are like, no, no, no, we need transparency here. So we all can negotiate properly and we know what's going on. And and of course, they don't want to give away that, that the leverage in that power.

00:34:07:15 - 00:34:30:17
Unknown
And so you have a strike. Yep. And and then I came into the discussion. Right. And I scares everybody because it can threaten the job of, writers, producers, actors, you know, everybody is is in jeopardy because we don't know what AI is. We don't know what it is at this point. It's in its infancy. And what does it mean?

00:34:30:20 - 00:34:53:26
Unknown
Does it mean like especially for the writers, you know, studio, let's say a studio used to pay. We're going to give this this writer who's an established screenwriter, outstanding writer. We're going to give you $1 million to write our studio, Paramount or Sony or one of the biggest two. We're going to give you $1 million to write us a, a Western right?

00:34:53:29 - 00:35:13:14
Unknown
Great. He goes off, she goes off, writes you an awesome Western. You get the script, you got the script. This is the Oscar winner, right? We got the script. Now let's go cast it. Let's put the right director in it and boom! You know, you got a flagship movie going out for the. Well, I is really scary for a lot of people.

00:35:13:19 - 00:35:34:10
Unknown
A lot of writers, a lot of actors, because now a producer can sit there and go, write me a script about so-and-so, you know, a Western where the sheriff, you know, has one arm, but he's still the fastest gun in the West, and he had to train himself how to shoot with the whatever, the set, whatever. Right.

00:35:34:13 - 00:35:53:22
Unknown
Boom. Yeah. He goes off and writes you a script. Now, it might be garbage, but you have your 120 page script that has been written. Now you can go back and say, hey, I'll give you, I'll give you $50,000 to, to, punch this up, punch the script up. It's a punch up. It's a rewrite. It's, it's not a original.

00:35:55:13 - 00:36:15:19
Unknown
They're going to take the job for $100,000 or $50,000 to rewrite the script, because everybody's got a mortgage or a kid in college, or a car payment or life. So they're going to take the gig. So now they're getting a 10th of what they get paid, right? Yeah, yeah. The studio gets their script punched up, and now it's actually pretty good script, you know?

00:36:15:21 - 00:36:32:14
Unknown
And now they go make a movie and somebody's been cut out of that whole process. Yeah, right. So it's very threatening. So and we don't even know what it is yet. That's the thing we know nobody knows what it is. So how do you negotiate for something that you don't know what it is yet, but you know, there's a storm coming.

00:36:32:14 - 00:36:54:18
Unknown
You can see the clouds on the horizon. So that's that's what that strike was about. And it's still not resolved in my opinion. It's just everybody kind of declared truce so that people can get back to work. Yeah. Because like I said, mortgages and and then of course California keeps getting punched in the nose with mudslides and wildfires and, and taxes and some self-inflicted pain.

00:36:54:20 - 00:37:09:28
Unknown
So. Right. It's it's really hard time. And yeah, it's a hard time in the industry right now. Yeah. So. Oh really it is it is difficult in the industry and out in LA and Hollywood and. Yeah, because anytime you have a strike, there's always a lag. Yeah. Before things get back to normal and whatever. Normal. And no one knows.

00:37:09:28 - 00:37:30:02
Unknown
No what normal is anymore. What. And again I say all this and there's way more other aspects. There's other aspects to the strike. There's other specifics. There's. Yeah. So I'm not I'm not the drill down expert on this. So I want to let folks know that that that this is some of the things, some of the things that I understood that people were scared about.

00:37:30:02 - 00:37:57:25
Unknown
And that's one of the reasons, you know, some of the reasons we had the strike. We did. You're out in LA. Yeah. Yeah. And what, How was Hollywood taking? The new, political party. Oh, you know, there's, there's passionate people on both sides, you know? So is there on both sides? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I see it on both sides.

00:37:57:25 - 00:38:20:03
Unknown
You know, there's there's passionate people on both sides. And, you know, Hollywood, I can't speak for all Hollywood, but I've seen, I've seen, I've seen both reactions. I've seen people who are happy, but I've seen people who are are really, really, upset about it. You know. Yeah. And. Yeah. Yeah. It is what it is.

00:38:20:03 - 00:38:44:24
Unknown
I, you know, I've seen lots of presidents come and go. Yeah. And the beautiful thing about this country is resilient. We have checks and balances. We have these wonderful checks and balances that if, if the pendulum swings either either way too far America has this great self-correction that they do. You know if it the pendulum goes way out here and it and it's starting to not feel right, people swing it back.

00:38:44:26 - 00:39:01:09
Unknown
Yeah. And they do it with their votes and they do it. And we have a Congress to check the president. We have a, Supreme Court to check the Congress. And we have, you know, like we have all these built ins that that kind of keep us in the center. Now it feels like we're way out here, and then it feels we're way out here.

00:39:01:15 - 00:39:25:18
Unknown
But it's always centered, right here, you know, and we're we're never that far off where we don't. Correct. Eventually. So it is what it is. We're not it's not the end of the world. We're you know whatever political whatever political parties in there generally speaking you know we'll we always figure it out. What, what what would you say is one of the because.

00:39:25:20 - 00:39:50:17
Unknown
Right. Coming from the Marines. Right. You learn some mental toughness which is something that I've, we've, we've found a lot of people are especially the younger generation. They're, they're lacking that. I have a yeah. They're missing. They're lacking some mental toughness. So, so the the things that happen to them tend to be, tend to affect them in a much more negative way than previous generations.

00:39:50:23 - 00:40:15:28
Unknown
I think, you know, it's I always I always wrestle with this one because I find myself being a cliche where I'm, I'm bitching about that younger generation. Right. Well, like, oh, these kids, you know, but okay, so forget it. I'll do it, you know, because I see what I see and what I feel like I see is, a lack of resilience.

00:40:17:22 - 00:40:44:00
Unknown
And, now they have things that we didn't have, they have, I think they're, smarter, generation as far as their tech, their tech knowledge is unbelievable. The, the speed with which they do things is, is impressive. Their awareness to their thoughtfulness. Yes. Yep. But I don't I think they lack resilience. And they lack patience.

00:40:44:09 - 00:40:56:22
Unknown
You know, I last time you talked to a Gen Z. I don't know if you've talked to one lately, but it's you start going, here's what I want to do. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. No no no no I got it I got, I got it yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. You know let me finish my sentence.

00:40:56:22 - 00:41:12:07
Unknown
You know you can't even get through a sentence and they're bored. You know they're bored out of their mind or they think they know where you're going. Yeah I know where he's going with this. I'll just tell em I got it I got it I got it I got it. No, no you need to listen to me because I'm going to give you some detail on why I want something done.

00:41:12:07 - 00:41:26:03
Unknown
The way I want it done. You know, there's a reason behind it. I don't want you to just do it. Because if you just do it, no one's going to understand why you're doing it. You don't even know why you're doing it. So when you get challenged, you'll go, oh, no, you know, and then you'll be useless to me.

00:41:26:06 - 00:41:42:18
Unknown
I need you to listen to the. Why? They don't have the patience to let you get through a sentence. So patience and resilience. Yeah. They could work on that probably a little bit. What would you say. What would you say is one of the more difficult things that you've, you've had to go through. Right. Talking about resilience.

00:41:42:27 - 00:42:13:22
Unknown
Me personally. Yeah. Oh high school football. That was, that was a tough one. Yeah. School, relationships, break ups, the Marine Corps war, deployments, divorce. That's probably the one that that hit me the hardest. No doubt. Which one? The divorce. Divorce? Yeah. Yeah, that was, That was awful. I, that was awful.

00:42:13:24 - 00:42:34:11
Unknown
And that's such a hard thing to to come to terms with on so many levels. But, yeah. Yeah, there's still a lot of things out there when you talk, you know, life trying to make a career in a very difficult career field, having children, trying to raise them, you know, trying to be there, but at the same time trying to provide for them.

00:42:34:14 - 00:43:00:10
Unknown
You know, we all have our struggles. Everybody's got these things, you know, being betrayed, being, lied to, being, hurt, trying to forgive, wanting justice, want, you know, there's there it's a push pull battle that never. Yeah. Feels satisfying. Yep. So it's hard. How was your faith impacted impacted that or supported you through some of these things?

00:43:00:12 - 00:43:23:24
Unknown
You know, for so long? You know, you try to deal with things yourself. You try to solve your own problems, which is good. You should you should be responsible for your life. You should be responsible for taking action steps to to, improve your life or make your life better or solve, solve the issues you're dealing with.

00:43:24:18 - 00:43:58:07
Unknown
But, I think for me, faith means peace. I can't find peace. Really? Anywhere else. It just doesn't exist for me anywhere else. You said peace. Peace. Yeah, yeah. Peace that surpasses all understanding, right? You talked about reading the Bible on a regular basis, and that's the thing where my more my morning routine. That's a it's a critical part of my routine because it I find I, I gain more peace when I'm connected to God 100%.

00:43:58:25 - 00:44:25:29
Unknown
When I started, reading daily passages. Yeah. And, it really did, because I do it in the mornings first thing. Better done. Yep. And it starts my day off, right. And it centers me, and it gives me peace. It reminds me of the things I need to be reminded of. Because when you get as busy as we are, when you get as preoccupied, you can get caught up in your life and your day and your relationships and your people and the things you're trying to.

00:44:26:05 - 00:44:53:21
Unknown
You can get caught up in everything else so fast, but to have that time to remind myself of who I am, what my faith is, what I believe, connect with my, you know, Savior. Those things are wonderful moments. Those are the things that bring me peace and I talk to a lot of men. You coach and educate a lot of men.

00:44:53:21 - 00:45:15:20
Unknown
You bring a lot of men along. And this is for women too. So I we're talking about this, but it's for everybody. But the one thing I've noticed for men specifically is we don't have any peace in our life. And that's the one thing we really crave. We really crave it. I mean, yes, we we want to be healthy.

00:45:15:20 - 00:45:40:05
Unknown
We want to be providers. We want to be heroes. We want to be, all these things, you know? But at the end of the day, we. And respect. Respect is nice, but peace, if we can have some peace in our life, we can put up with almost anything we can tolerate, almost anything we can. We can find a way to to get through the day and get through the day with the right attitude.

00:45:40:07 - 00:45:58:28
Unknown
If we can just have some peace and we and for most men I know, there's no peace in their life. So for me, that's where I, I love start my day with the the reading. Spending time in the word in the mornings. That is one of the most effective things I used to do. I used to have my routine set with a bunch of other things before.

00:45:58:28 - 00:46:14:14
Unknown
Right. I'd, I'd workout before I would do everything before and then and then if I had time I would get the, I would get the word in. And I realized like when I, I just can't I just can't skip it. I just can't skip that. It's just it's such an important it's a non-negotiable. Yeah. Yeah. For me it is too.

00:46:14:14 - 00:46:32:03
Unknown
I, I have, I'm dating a Polish girl. Okay. So I get up in the morning, I do my reading, and then I do my polish. I'm learning the polish. I'm trying to learn the Polish language, and. Yeah. And so, I, I make it a package deal, and I get it done first thing in the morning, and it's great.

00:46:32:03 - 00:46:52:27
Unknown
It's, you know, it's it's fun and it's, it sets me off on the right foot. How do you say you, you are sexy and polish. You got that one down? Yeah. Moya. Kahana. Okay, okay. Something like that is beautiful. And, Pinckney is, beautiful. What is it? Pinckney. Pinckney. Interesting. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Oh, yeah.

00:46:52:29 - 00:47:14:03
Unknown
Yeah. Yes yes yes. Yes or yes? Yes. Yes. Pinckney, you are beautiful. You are beautiful. It's great. How long you've been dating her? Four years. Four years? Oh, okay. Okay. That's why I figured I better learn this. Yeah, it's about the app for sure. Yes, she is she Anele. Is she in LA? Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

00:47:14:04 - 00:47:35:24
Unknown
Yeah. Okay. Great. Yeah. What, What what would you I mean, a lot of our listeners are men that are right. They're either running businesses or they're looking to become better men in general. We have something called the four pillars faith, family, fitness and finances. Those are like our. That's a good foundation to build your life on.

00:47:35:27 - 00:47:59:14
Unknown
Well we have all those and what we teach is it's important to invest in those four pillars on a daily basis. And we actually have an app that we track these four pillars on. So people we have, we have hundreds if not pray over a thousand guys daily tracking investing and reading the Bible daily working out each day and then work and investing in their marriage and then investing or the relationship investing in their their finances.

00:47:59:14 - 00:48:21:09
Unknown
So these four pillars and in specifically in this order. Right. So you're familiar with Jordan Peterson. Yeah. Yeah. So he's he's all about ordering having a proper ordering. Right. So the four pillars we believe are the foundation that men and women, but men, we can usually only focus on a couple things. Really. Well, I used to I always thought girl three yeah, yeah.

00:48:21:09 - 00:48:36:13
Unknown
So is the adding one more on top of these. So I used to track like 30 or 40 things a day that I would do. This is a very fairly discipline. So I want to make sure I'm like knocking out and I'm intentional with my time. I realize 40 things is just too much. And so we narrowed it down to four, right.

00:48:36:13 - 00:48:58:02
Unknown
And four in this order faith, family, fitness and finance. And if those are properly ordered and we're investing in those and strengthening those pillars every day, it sets us up for a just a better foundation. I agree long term. It's so, yeah. And so it keeps it simple. There's an old Marine Corps, it's simple stupid. Keep it simple.

00:48:58:02 - 00:49:17:16
Unknown
Yeah. And it's it's true. Like, I tell my son that I'm like, just simplify. You know, when things get overwhelming, simplify. Bring it back to the basics. And I like that you have that before because it's you bring it back to the things that are going to move the needle, the things that make a difference, not the minutia, because the world's full of minutia.

00:49:17:19 - 00:49:35:27
Unknown
It is. And many times we can just get too focused on one area. And especially as men, we can we can go laser focused in one spot on especially acting that that must be challenge must have been challenging. You get so focused right on either even directing right or writing. Yeah, you can get so focused that you could lose.

00:49:35:27 - 00:49:55:01
Unknown
You can lose focus on the family aspect or on your faith, the faith pillar, or even on the fitness pillar. Yeah. So it's like learning that I've had I've had to use a strategy to learn to stay back, to stay balanced. I wouldn't even say balance. I think balance is a little bit of a myth. There's no way we'll ever be perfectly balanced, right?

00:49:55:01 - 00:50:11:29
Unknown
We're not going to spend eight hours a day working eight hours a day in the Bible like. And I think that's the thing, too. I think people get derailed in their pursuit of trying to, you know, order their life or whatever because they're like, well, I've got this, this and this, and I do it and they kick, kick butt for whatever a month or two, three, four.

00:50:12:04 - 00:50:30:11
Unknown
But if they slip off track or they get occupied, you know, something derails them. They, you know, they it all comes off. It's like, no, no, these are just setbacks. Yeah. Everybody, your whole journey is going to be a matter of derailments. Yep. You just have to just shake it off if you need to rest. Rest, but don't quit.

00:50:30:11 - 00:50:47:28
Unknown
You know, you get back on and you start again. And it's always people think it's this perfect mentality that doesn't exist. You know, that's why I like the resilience thing. These you know, people today it feels like the soon as they hit the obstacle they're like, well that's done. I need to find a new path. No, no, you were on the right path.

00:50:48:00 - 00:51:02:03
Unknown
You just got to get back up. Just get back up. Yep. That's yourself off. Take a day. Whatever you need to do, but get through whatever the small term crisis is and then get back to what you were doing because you were doing great. Yeah. So many people get on a drift. So they they hit a speed bump, right?

00:51:02:03 - 00:51:30:07
Unknown
They get triggered. Right? Maybe it's, call from a lawyer or a marriage issue or something triggers them, and then it shifts. It usually catapults them into a drift. Right? Then they'll drift. And what we found is the guys that drift the longest tend to produce the best results. Right? So for me, I would go drifting for like if if I was thrown off or just stressed out from work, I'd stop working out, but then I'd stop working out for six months or a year.

00:51:30:09 - 00:51:51:13
Unknown
Right. And so and that's I'm sorry, but that's the enemy's trick is drift. Yeah. It's it is, it's I read Napoleon Hills Outwitting the devil and and he in that interview with the devil he talks about. Yeah. The drift. That's where he gets you. He does. Yeah. No it's a great great book. Yeah. And so the drift is killer.

00:51:51:13 - 00:52:18:18
Unknown
And so it's like learning to shorten the drift. Right. So it's it's okay to hit a drift. But don't don't let your drift be right. Three months or six months. Like let it be a couple days like you mentioned. Right. Because if you want to be a high performer in life, like if you're drifting for a month off your game for a full month, other guys are going to be dominating you like they're just going to be you're going to be you're going to you're going to get out competed.

00:52:18:18 - 00:52:32:12
Unknown
Right. So it's so learning the short and the drift from, you know, a couple weeks to a week to a couple days to a day and then finding a way to get out of the drift. So like a couple things I do to get out of a drift because I do I get triggered, I get triggered, I get I get into a funk.

00:52:32:14 - 00:52:54:16
Unknown
Yeah. Right. Where some days I'm just off thing and I'm like, I'm, I'm off same. And you're right. It's you don't know what it's going to be that that derails you. But but whatever it is, you're it is a matter of, okay, that happened. Whatever sucks makes me mad. It makes. But the more you practice it, the more you practice leaning into it, the more you practice recognizing it, I think.

00:52:54:17 - 00:53:11:08
Unknown
Yeah, the sooner you get back, you can get back on the path again. It's the awareness is the recognition. Recognition that. Oh, crap. I got triggered and I'm now I'm starting to move into a drift. I don't I don't want this to be. I don't want this to last a week or two weeks. Yeah. And then having a way to get out of the drift.

00:53:11:11 - 00:53:29:24
Unknown
Right. So like, like finding, like, hey, how do I pull out of it? How do I pull out of a drift? For me, it's talking a calling up a buddy and be like, hey, dude, I'm in a funk right now. Yeah. Or it could be going and doing a workout, like a hard workout or reading the Bible or praying, maybe journaling, kind of thinking through what are some ways that you pull out of a funk?

00:53:29:27 - 00:53:54:21
Unknown
Journaling is interesting to me. I, I'm lazy, so I don't journal. Yeah, that's what it comes down to, if I'm being honest. Yeah, right. And I do. I'm the older I get, the more honest my self-assessments are beautiful. So I, I know, I know, journaling makes a lot of sense. I know the pros of journalism and if you right if you say if you use all your senses, you see you write, you touch, you put the words down.

00:53:54:21 - 00:54:10:26
Unknown
You know you'll retain it. The it goes up like ten on your attainment of the stuff you feel journal and you really it's I know the plus I still can't get myself to do it. I can't get myself to write it, to sit there and write out. Now, I have done it in the past, but I always derailed.

00:54:11:00 - 00:54:26:19
Unknown
Yep. And then never went back to it, you know? And I've got like most people, I think I got a stack of journals on my bookshelf that haven't been used or about a week's worth of journaling, you know, and then I'm like, I need a new journal. That's what it is. This was leather. Looks cool. That was cool.

00:54:26:19 - 00:54:41:04
Unknown
And I got a stack of them. Right. And yeah, I just want for whatever reason, I don't know what to do in that situation other than more disciplined, more disciplined, more disciplined. But yeah, also, I think you have to find the things that work for you. Yep. You have to find the things that work for you. Yeah.

00:54:41:04 - 00:55:01:18
Unknown
And then and then execute those things, relentlessly. What would you say works like what's a what's a good way. Like if you feel like you're in a funk. Yeah. Right. And so you're just off your game for that day. Thrown off. What's what's something you do to to pull out or that, you know, works like, if I do this, it'll kind of it'll kind of it'll it'll pull me out.

00:55:01:20 - 00:55:42:09
Unknown
Well, I don't have a silver bullet, but, there's a very variety of things that that tend to help me. Prayer helps. My daily readings, you know, whenever I find the right, verse. Yeah, it it, you know, it can it can save me, you know, it can bring me back. It's wonderful. So, so that combined with get the attention off myself, like, if I'm having a self pity party or if I'm having a, you know, down cycle, whatever, whatever my deal, where I find that service and gratitude will get me out of myself, right?

00:55:42:11 - 00:56:10:15
Unknown
Serving somebody, going and doing something for someone. Exactly. That those things get you out of your. Oh me me me and my problems. My problem. You know, get out of that. Get out of yourself and start doing something. And then you find, a lot of that weight melts away and you refocus all that anxiety and energy that's turning inward, and you turn it outward.

00:56:10:15 - 00:56:36:28
Unknown
I find that those two things help. Again, it depends on the dose. It depends on the amount. It depends on what's needed. Also, you know, physical exercise. Great. You know, a walk when I'm anxious is great. Yeah. Those things are pretty simple, but they are also very effective. And some things work better than others.

00:56:37:00 - 00:57:03:12
Unknown
You know, some days I don't have the juice to go sweat. I'm just. I'm feeling it physically. I'm feeling it. Whatever. So I'll go for a walk or I'll just read a passage, or I'll go back and I'll watch stripes and I'll die laughing, you know, I'll be like, yeah. You know, I'll find some joy, you know, it doesn't always have to be, you know, religious experience.

00:57:03:18 - 00:57:19:20
Unknown
Sometimes it can just be as simple as I need a laugh. You know, I call my best friend because he cracks me up, and I'll just start. We'll just. I'll just. I'll get him going, you know? Yeah. If I rev him up, he rubs me up. Yeah. And then the next thing you know, I'm dying laughing. And I needed that laugh.

00:57:19:20 - 00:57:38:12
Unknown
Right then I'm off and I'm back in the game. So so good. Yeah. There's a combination. You got to find the what you gotta. And the thing is, as you, as you age, you do get to know yourself better. You do get to know yourself better because you had all these experiences and you you've tried things and you know, you've had days where all that worked great.

00:57:38:12 - 00:57:58:12
Unknown
That's exactly what I needed. Then you do it again a week later. It's like, this is not helping, you know? And so, you just got to find different things. What what would you say is one of the most, either funniest or most embarrassing moments that you've had in either, your acting career or your comedy. The comedy side of things?

00:58:00:24 - 00:58:21:27
Unknown
Well, I don't know if there's been an embarrassing and there's. I mean, I'm sure there's countless embarrassing things. Yeah. I bombed many times. Those are always embarrassing. Yeah, yeah. Especially early on in your career, when you bomb, it's a bad feeling, by the way. It's not like, ha ha, it's ha ha. Now, at the time, it hurts.

00:58:21:27 - 00:58:44:05
Unknown
It hurts really bad. There's nothing worse than metaphorically being naked on stage in front of everybody, going, judge me? Yeah. I go, you suck. You know, that's a bad feeling. It's a really bad feeling. And it takes a lot to overcome that. Have you ever been, been booed on stage? Never booed. Never booed, thank goodness, but, definitely unappreciated.

00:58:44:07 - 00:59:11:13
Unknown
Yeah. Yeah. For sure. So what about fun? What about the is either behind the scenes, or just in, yeah. On the acting side, just a funny, funny moment. I don't know. I remember we were talking, I said, brother, so I'll give you a step brothers. Yeah, a story. We were filming Step Brothers, and, we were at the Catalina Wine Mixer and, no Catalina wine mixer.

00:59:11:21 - 00:59:45:15
Unknown
And again, this is a big improvising cast. We love to improvise. The director loves to improvise. So, it's so interesting. I never knew they did that that way. I love that, I love hearing that. So, basically, Adam McKay, the director, was like, hey, I want you to let's do it. I want you to go up to Will Will's character, Brennan, and I want you to give him, an impossible task and make his life miserable.

00:59:45:18 - 01:00:10:06
Unknown
Just make it hard on him. That was my only instruction. Go make life hard on him. And really, because I was his boss. Technically, his brother was my boss. And then I was his boss in the chain, at the, diamond helicopters or whatever. We were, so, I went up and I said, hey, good job on the wine mixer, you know?

01:00:10:06 - 01:00:28:06
Unknown
Congratulations. And the first day I was like, hey, Brendan, good job. You did a good job here. You know, real quick, how would you get a body off an island? He's like, what do you mean? You know, and he doesn't know at will. Doesn't know what I'm going to say. He's just trying to deal with it in the moment, as real as he can.

01:00:28:06 - 01:00:43:25
Unknown
Like, imagine if your boss came to you and said, I need to get a body off an island, how would you do that? And so will being the genius comedian that is and a wonderful you know, he was playing it straight, which is what he's supposed to do. He was he was like, I don't know, Randy, are you in trouble?

01:00:43:25 - 01:00:58:13
Unknown
Do you need help? I don't what the questions. Just how do you get a body off an island? It's real simple, you know? I'm just making his life hard, right? So that was take one. Next take. How do you get cocaine? How do you get cocaine on an island? You know, is there any place here to score cocaine or whatever?

01:00:58:13 - 01:01:14:11
Unknown
And he's like, I don't think so. You know it, you know, what would you do if your boss did this to you? You know, you'd be like, panicking. You'd be like, God, I don't know. So then the next day I came up and I, I was like, you know, I hate your face, man. I don't know what it is about your face, but if you don't change your face, I'm going to change it for you.

01:01:14:18 - 01:01:33:19
Unknown
And all he can do is go. I'm sorry. I'll. I'll work on it, you know, and an impossible situation that I put him in and will be a genius, you know, played it beautifully where he's like, well, I'll, all I can do is take that in and process it and try to work on it. I was like, I don't know what you're saying anymore because I can't control your face is making me crazy, right?

01:01:33:21 - 01:01:52:07
Unknown
And then I, I walk off. Well, of all the takes, that's the one that made it right? Yeah. I couldn't get through that scene because I was messing with him so hard. Okay, so unfair to him that I literally broke so many times in that scene that we had tears coming down our eyes like we couldn't get through it.

01:01:52:07 - 01:02:09:05
Unknown
If you watch the bloopers, if you go to the blooper, there's a bunch of bloopers and yeah, and there's a whole bunch of takes of us just breaking in that scene because it's so stupid. You know what to do if your boss comes up and says, I hate your face, you know you've got to change it, man. You got to change your face.

01:02:09:08 - 01:02:30:10
Unknown
You're like, you be so bewildered and, mad. It's so funny. So anyway, that was that was that was I love opportunities like that where you get to play, and especially with talented, amazing comedic actors, when you get to play with them, they take it in places you never imagined. They take it, you know, we'll had no idea what I was going to say to them.

01:02:30:12 - 01:02:47:21
Unknown
Yeah. You know, and I was hitting him out of left field with the most bizarre stuff possible. And he was genius in the way he was. Perry left. Perry right. Perry left. You know. Yeah, he was dealing with it the way an honest person would try to deal with their boss, I guess. Right. And that's why it made the movies.

01:02:47:21 - 01:03:05:18
Unknown
Because it was just fun and it was stupid and it was So I always appreciate improv moments like that. Yeah. I appreciate thanks again for coming out. It was neat that this ended up working out really well. Right. You were visiting your daughter. Yeah, right. Being a great dad. Yeah, I was sort of having time because.

01:03:05:18 - 01:03:21:07
Unknown
Yeah, when I found out you were in Dallas, I was like, oh, yeah, I'll be down there. I'll be close to you. So, I'm really glad that we were able to get some time together. Yeah, well, we call, we call it, we call. We have a term of four pillars, man. It's a man that loves God, right?

01:03:21:07 - 01:03:46:07
Unknown
Invests in his family, takes care of his body, and then is like managing his finances well or or investing in becoming financially, independent independently. Yeah, exactly. So that's a four pillar man. So, I think you represent that well, like a guy that's investing in intention all in the in those areas. Hope so. I'm trying though.

01:03:46:08 - 01:04:03:01
Unknown
It's funny, I really wasn't too aware of your pillars. Yeah, but they really match up with what I'm trying to do. So that makes me happy. No. As our conversation is happening, and just again, hearing your time that you spent with your daughter yesterday and just that intentionality, it, Yeah, it just represents. It's it's what's needed.

01:04:03:01 - 01:04:18:13
Unknown
It's what's needed. Sometimes we can get so busy on work, right, that we could, And so you had to fly out here to go to go see it. Right. And so I know, I know, I know some dads that aren't willing to go take time away and go fly out to go see their kids. So it's missing something if they do that.

01:04:18:13 - 01:04:34:10
Unknown
I know, I know, it's a special thing. So yeah, thanks. Thanks again for coming out and hanging out on especially on the short notice. And, man, it was a pleasure. Pleasure having you. It's been a pleasure getting to know you. And I appreciate you letting me come out. Yeah. Thanks. Thank you.