The Hidden Reason High Achievers Never Find Peace | Scott Donnell

If you’re a high achiever who loves Jesus, but still feels restless, anxious, and never at peace, this conversation will hit hard.

Scott Donnell breaks down what’s actually driving anxiety, performance, control, and burnout in entrepreneurs and Christian men — and why the pursuit of success can become a spiritual stronghold. We unpack the 3 core wounds (abandonment, betrayal, contempt), how they shape your identity, and why identity can’t be achieved — it can only be received.

We also talk about cultural Christianity, lukewarm faith, sanctification, eternal rewards, taking faith risks, biblical stewardship, generosity that costs something, and the legacy you leave your kids — because what you don’t heal, you pass down.

If you’re trying to build a life of purpose, lead your family well, and follow Jesus without white-knuckling everything, this episode is for you.

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Unknown A part of our identity. They're not part of who we are. Okay. That's a critical piece. That's how you break a stronghold. And have you done a lot of research into core wounds? Because I love I think a lot of people need to understand, like, Dan Allander is a brilliant. Like, seven primal questions. Have you ever read that book? 00;00;17;01 - 00;00;35;04 Unknown There's a lot, there's a lot. There's a lot of work around it. So I can I have a lot of terminology for wound necessarily, but we do a ton of deep work around like primal wounds, like original wounds, like some of these key things that, lead to a feeling of unworthiness or not being valued or fear or, safety issues, like all kinds of stuff. 00;00;35;04 - 00;00;51;11 Unknown Yeah. Yeah. I can help with, like, I think for me. So in my life, my job is to try to explain everything to adults like I would to a 5 or 10 year old. Yeah. Like, because that's my whole group. I think that's my oh that's great. I think in the complex and make it simple. Yeah. If you can't explain something to a five year old, you don't know what you're talking about. 00;00;51;11 - 00;01;17;14 Unknown Yeah. And so for me, I think it boils down Dan Allander says this in his book redeeming, Heartache. There's three core wounds, and he says it's, abandonment, betrayal, contempt. Like, it's so simple. But if you understand those three, you can understand what all these other issues come from. Abandonment, betrayal, content. So abandonment is the loss of presence. 00;01;17;17 - 00;01;42;00 Unknown Somebody should have been there for you in your childhood, your teenage years, in a certain really intense moment, your life. And they weren't you were abandoned. And this is what makes people say, like, no one's come in, you're alone, right? Like you're not safe. This is where people pleasing comes. This is where, like this attachment. Like you just don't leave me. 00;01;42;00 - 00;02;04;11 Unknown Don't leave me, don't leave me kind of feeling. That's because the devil's always whispering to you. Like you're. You're alone, like they're going to leave. That's what happens with that. So that's that's abandonment. Betrayal is the loss of trust. Okay? So no one is safe. No one can be trusted. And this is where you should have been, cherished. 00;02;04;13 - 00;02;23;00 Unknown Okay. Or this is where you should have been. Like, someone should have come for you. And they were. They were like, they they left you. Okay? That's that's betrayal. This happens. And everyone thinks betrayal is from, like, an adultery issue. A betrayal can happen in any sibling relationship. It can happen with friends. Like it's the loss of trust. 00;02;23;00 - 00;02;48;11 Unknown Nobody can be trusted. Right? And so you put up walls everywhere and it just creates broken relationship after broken relationship. And then the third one, contempt. Now this one is, the loss of worth. This is where the devil's chirping at you. You're not valuable. You're not enough. You'll never be enough. You should have been held. You should have been cherished in someone compared or criticized you instead. 00;02;48;14 - 00;03;08;11 Unknown And this this can happen a lot in childhood. But man, how many entrepreneurs fail this one? They're never enough. So they're always earning. They're always trying to get to the next level. They're always trying to chase. Right? They yeah, this is this. This is where a lot of anger comes because you're not enough and you just flail. 00;03;08;14 - 00;03;25;05 Unknown See this? So when you just look at these three, many of these core strongholds that the devil just gets in there comes from those three. And it's. And it's all about just like, calling it out. Repenting of it, reframing it and not and not making it your identity. It's part of your story, but not your identity and your identity in Christ. 00;03;25;05 - 00;03;51;23 Unknown And you replace it, with who Christ is and the truth of the gospel. So we do a ton of that with this, with families, with entrepreneurs, great dads. Like love it. Yeah, that's a lot of the other issues. A lot of the work we do. Yeah, we do some similar work with that. And and yeah, you've you're reaching a lot of people which what we found is that people's when someone's identity is not in Christ man, it is so devastating to a, to a human being. 00;03;51;23 - 00;04;07;25 Unknown It's one of the core things that and and the challenges that we hear all the time. How your identity should be in Christ. Yeah. It's like, well, what does that even mean? How do I get there? You know, it's like it's it's just this vague, Christian is almost like, hey. Yeah, well, yeah. You're right. Yeah. We should you should be getting your identity from Christ. 00;04;07;28 - 00;04;25;13 Unknown It's a freaking process. It it is a legit process to be able to truly trust that what the Bible says about you is, is completely true. Yeah. Like with within. Within your inner being. Yeah. It is totally true. See, here's here's the problem I see with identity because I wrote about this. I'm I'm writing a book. It's not out. 00;04;25;17 - 00;04;50;25 Unknown It's coming out soon. It's called Kingdom Kingdom habits. You'll see it. There's a there's a chapter on there called Kingdom Identity. And the number one thing I realized in writing that chapter was identity cannot be achieved. It can only be received. See, everything that you try to achieve is a light entity. Everybody tries to make their identity in what they do, what they accomplish, who they're around. 00;04;50;25 - 00;05;11;00 Unknown There's their security and awards, their performance, all that stuff. They try to make that their identity, what they've done, their degrees, how much money's in their bank account, like how perfect their family is, their six pack like the list goes on and on and on. These are light entities, man, because you can't earn it. You can't achieve it. 00;05;11;00 - 00;05;43;14 Unknown You can't buy it. You can only receive an identity. And that's Imago day. That's God's identity for you. You are loved. You are chosen. You're a king or queen. You're royalty. Right? This is what your identity is. You are worth more than God's life to him. That's an identity, and that's identity is bestowed onto us. And I think so much of our just cycles of sin and pain and frustration in life comes from not surrendering to that identity. 00;05;43;16 - 00;06;03;23 Unknown We don't receive it. We reject it. People are just very blind. It's a gigantic blind spot for Christians. We do an exercise in one of our events to expose, to expose those things and to get feedback around that. Yeah, it was interesting for, I mean, I grew I grew up in the faith as a Christian. And man, my identity was way off. 00;06;03;23 - 00;06;23;21 Unknown So I had a lot of insecurities. I was bullied, messed with as a kid. Not a ton, but at different points in my life. And then I just had this gap where I felt like I wasn't enough. Just really felt like I wasn't enough. There wasn't any, abandonment, necessarily, but there was, there was a level of, what would you say the third one was? 00;06;23;21 - 00;06;50;22 Unknown Contempt, contempt, contempt, contempt. Yeah. There was a level of that. There was a level of that that showed up. And so I went searching out like, hey, I'm going to find my identity and success. And so I did that. I got very good at creating a facade and a mask of success. And even though I love Jesus, like, I mean, legit, I love Jesus, I loved people, yet I had I had this wall of protection of success around me. 00;06;50;27 - 00;07;16;27 Unknown That was all my aim, though. And I think what's most important is realizing our aims. My aim was off. My aim in the success was to prove that I was worthy, was to prove that I was good. And so it led. And there's a Bible verse, James. 316 for where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you will find disorder, and every evil practice, and man there was disorder, and there was some evil. 00;07;16;27 - 00;07;37;01 Unknown There was me walking in the gray in this business. And it didn't, it didn't. It never fulfilled my, my need for worthiness. At times I'd feel great about myself. But there was always just this gap. Yeah. And and I became pretty knowledgeable in my faith. Yet I still I still use these things to fill that void. 00;07;37;03 - 00;07;55;24 Unknown And, and the challenges, the more strategic and effective somebody is, the better they get at building this, like lifestyle that fills there. So I got good I got really good at like covering that up. Yeah. And there was a lot of disassembling that had to happen a lot of disassembling, redoing my foundation to where I had to. 00;07;55;27 - 00;08;18;17 Unknown Yeah. Come to terms that like, man, none of this stuff makes me worthy at all. Not my house, the cars, any of that stuff. And I got to a place where I released all of it, and then was okay. Not if God took it all the way and all of my success and all those great things, then I truly feel that I am like I'm completely surrendered to that. 00;08;18;22 - 00;08;37;04 Unknown Completely like, so I don't have anxiety. I don't have stress. Very rarely will you ever see me with anxiousness. Yeah. So I get to operate in the fruits of the spirit like moment by moment, almost every single day. There was a moment today that was I got a little stressed out as some of our marketing wasn't working the way it should have been, and that kind of triggered. 00;08;37;06 - 00;08;56;18 Unknown Good. You're human. Totally. It totally triggered me. I'm like, whoa, I'm feeling some anxiousness. I don't typically feel a lot of that, but man, it's when we surrender and fully trust that God's like God's got us. But also that even if I lost everything, I'm good. It's not ours in the first place. 100% surrender. See, I'll tell you, absolute surrender has been the answer. 00;08;56;20 - 00;09;12;29 Unknown Yeah. So this is where we could probably get into God versus mammon. Great stuff. Let's talk about that more. So you cannot serve both God and man. And so what is mammon? Why does the Bible talk about this? Yeah, I don't most of your listeners are probably thinking we're crazy right now, that nobody knows what Mammon is. 00;09;12;29 - 00;09;35;22 Unknown I think everyone needs to know. Yeah, it's what's led 300 people in my life to Christ over the last four months. Okay, this is a, I think one of the greatest unlocks for ministry and discipleship is if people can really understand, like the pervasiveness of mammon, the evil of Mammon, and he is the rival master to God himself. 00;09;35;22 - 00;09;57;21 Unknown And so this is what Mammon is. Okay, in Luke 16, in Matthew six, Jesus is is talking about two masters. He says, you cannot have two masters. You will be loyal to one and you will despise the other. You will love one, you will hate the other. You cannot serve both God and mammon. Now everyone thinks that money. 00;09;57;24 - 00;10;19;14 Unknown Okay, like if you look at the NIV, it's translated to money. It's not money. If Jesus wanted to say money, he would have said the Greek. The Koine Greek words crema or plutus, which are about riches and wealth or money and possessions. Okay, he did not even use a Greek word. There. He used an Aramaic word, McManus. He didn't even use Greek. 00;10;19;17 - 00;10;41;01 Unknown It's one of the rare times in all of Scripture, all of the gospels, where Jesus doesn't even use a Greek word. There. And it was so profound that they they didn't. They transliterated. They transliterated it to exactly that word he. And it's a capital letter pronoun, dude. He was naming something he named Mammon. It is capital. It's a pronoun. 00;10;41;02 - 00;11;10;17 Unknown Yeah, yeah, yeah. Interesting. So, yeah. People think it's money. No, no. Yeah, yeah. So it's what he was naming was the Prince of Hell himself. The interesting. Yeah. The there's only one rival master of God on this, on this earth. And it's the enemy himself. And Jesus calls him mammon. And so if you look at what mammon is, okay, it's the Aramaic term for power, wealth and the insatiable hunger for more. 00;11;10;20 - 00;11;30;24 Unknown Now, this is a big deal. It's this lust for more. How much is enough? Just a little more. If something's going wrong in your business or your life. And your first thought is how much is in the bank account? How many months can I go off of? How much? How many years do I have of security as your security? 00;11;30;27 - 00;12;06;15 Unknown You're serving mammon. Mammon is an idle factory. Okay. It it literally. It's avarice. It's greed on steroids. It's never enough. So this is what creates idols of, power, money stuff. Achievement, success. Comfort, security, a padded bank account, the perfect family, the perfect. Like, all these things are like Mammon is an idol factory, okay? It is a big deal when you realize what it actually is. 00;12;06;20 - 00;12;28;28 Unknown Okay? People think money is. Money is not good or bad. Okay? God gave Solomon like infinite riches as a blessing. Okay? Money is a dead object, but it can get a spirit on it the moment we touch it, right? It can either have the Spirit of God on it, which is generosity, and using it as like soldiers for the Kingdom of God. 00;12;28;28 - 00;12;58;22 Unknown As a steward. It's a blessing. Money can also get the spirit of mammon on it, where it becomes extraction minded. Everything is, you know, competition. You see people as things you like slavery mindset, right? Like I would go even deeper and say, I think, you know, Mammon wasn't an evil like pagan god of the Old Testament. I think they all served him because the devil wanted to keep that one under wraps, which is why Jesus named it Mammon. 00;12;58;29 - 00;13;23;14 Unknown He called it out right there. They all served it. Okay, so we have to be very clear about this rival master of God, which is this lust for more, to fill these holes in our lives. And we chase them, and we chase them and we chase them, because Mammon does give you rewards. He does give you carrots, like on the rat wheel. 00;13;23;17 - 00;13;47;29 Unknown You will get money. You will get more power, you will achieve. You will have more fake comfort and security. So what Mammon does is he drives what's called performance. He drives you to perform as a way of life, to just chase a little bit more. And it all it does. Ultimately, if you just keep going down, that it's never enough. 00;13;48;01 - 00;14;27;28 Unknown There is never enough. He just keeps you going like a drug, like a hit. Anxiety comes from this. Anger comes from this, toil. Just like you ever toiled. I mean, I've I didn't realize I was serving mammon for years and years and years. Where did it show up the most? You think? Just this chase for, growing businesses, striving for more, more and more bank account, more and more security, more and more achievement, more being in the rooms, having the name, getting the awards, having the the rankings. 00;14;28;00 - 00;15;03;00 Unknown You know what I mean. Any entrepreneur feels exactly what I'm talking about. You chase, you're chasing mammon, and the only thing Mammon will never give you is peace. Peace is the new prophet, Poff. Prophet. And this is why so many people in my life have come to Christ recently. Because they are desperate for peace. Their anxiety, their anger, their broken relationships, their striving, their, you know, this hustle and drive culture. 00;15;03;00 - 00;15;23;22 Unknown We live in chasing mammon. Yeah. All it does is create toil and misery and it will never give them peace. And they're trying to buy it. They're trying to earn it. They're trying to achieve it. Peace is not something you can buy. It is a person, the Prince of Peace. His name is Jesus. It's the only way we get peace. 00;15;23;24 - 00;15;50;07 Unknown And the answer, like we talked about before, is through absolute surrender. So you can perform for Mammon or you can surrender to God. Full surrender like white flag, knee on the ground, full surrender. You're buried at the foot of the cross. Surrender. It's a very challenging thing. I'm working with the client. His. His business was struggling so bad, and he did everything he could to get it fixed. 00;15;50;07 - 00;16;10;12 Unknown And it just was not getting fixed. Yep. And so, I mean, he just toiled and toiled and every. And it was the weirdest thing because he had never had this challenge before. And all of a sudden the spigot is turned off. And then for a year and a half, two years. And so finally he just, I mean, put his hands up. 00;16;10;15 - 00;16;25;17 Unknown Yep. Then it was like, all right, God, I give it to you full, like fight. I mean, he like, half surrendered through the process, right? But at that, at the two year mark, he basically fully surrendered. It was like, all right, if it's meant to be gone, it's going to be gone. I gave it completely to you. That's right. 00;16;25;17 - 00;16;47;21 Unknown Stepped into a whole new level, a piece like in his relationship with Christ fully gave it to him because he had such an attachment to it. His grip was so was so strong. On losing this business. The fear of losing it. Yeah. You can't you can't worship God with white knuckles. Yeah. And performance breeds control. Yeah. You have to have control like that's the problem with performance. 00;16;47;21 - 00;17;03;28 Unknown You have to control your family. You have to control your marriage. You have to control every piece of your health. You have. You had the health scare. Yeah. So now you're chasing it. You have to control every piece of your business. You control other people like that. That's literally white knuckling everything in your life. And the only way out is release. 00;17;03;28 - 00;17;25;17 Unknown Like, the hands open and went. So here's what happens with surrender. This is what you have to understand. Because when I get here, people go, oh, I want that desperately. Because you can say surrender. But that's a weakness in our culture. Let me tell you what surrender really is. The moment you fully surrender, you give up all the idols, you dethrone them, and you put God right back at the center of your heart. 00;17;25;20 - 00;17;51;05 Unknown And when you fully surrender, you immediately get poured over by contentment and peace. Because your whole now, your complete, your loved. You're enough. You're valued. Just this peace just literally pours over you. Like this is how he talks about in Philippians four. Like peace beyond understanding. Yep, that's what it is. I have, by the way, I have had more peace. 00;17;51;07 - 00;18;10;15 Unknown I gave up a $50 million company last year. God told us to put it on the altar. Surrender. Full surrender. It was wild. And our platform, half a million followers and our bestselling book and everything. Just put it on the altar. How much do you trust me? Kind of thing? And my wife and I terrifyingly did it. And I have had miracles happen ever since. 00;18;10;18 - 00;18;32;20 Unknown More peace, more miracles, more people coming to Christ, more rest, more joy in the Lord. In the last year of my life than my whole life combined. 40 years. So this contentment and this peace just pours down like a flood over you. And that's the moment at which God can now work on your behalf. Because he's a jealous God. 00;18;32;20 - 00;18;56;05 Unknown He deserves the glory. He wants the glory. He deserves it. You can't. God can't work on your behalf and get the glory when you're performing as a way of life. He's in the break room. Yeah, he can only work on your behalf to get all the glory when you're fully surrendered to him. Zachariah six eight. The Spirit of the Lord is hovering across the whole world, trying to find those whose hearts are fully surrendered to him. 00;18;56;08 - 00;19;14;22 Unknown So this is the power of surrender. So people go, oh, yeah, surrender is a weakness. That's a loss. That's an L in our culture, no it's not. There's the all the power is in surrender, not performance. And so if God is going to get the glory, God's going to work on your behalf. He's going to send his angels out concerning you. 00;19;14;27 - 00;19;34;03 Unknown It says in Isaiah, he's going to be your rear guard. He's going to go before you and behind you he's going to pave a path you think God could do a thousand times more on your behalf than you could do performing on your own? Absolutely. Oh yeah. And so this is where the power of God starts to happen because we're fully surrendered. 00;19;34;10 - 00;19;56;15 Unknown I don't care if the business ever becomes this huge thing. I don't care about prestige. I don't care about platform. I don't care about status. I don't care about anything. It's all for you. God will work through you. Things don't happen to you. They work through you. So if you're going to be surrendered, God starts pouring out through you. 00;19;56;17 - 00;20;20;21 Unknown And. And that is where he gets all the glory. And that's the miracles I've seen in my life, like radical provision, which, by the way, I got to be careful here. It's not a prosperity thing. Yeah. Prosperity people, the prosperity gospel. Because that's more mammon. They're serving Mammon. They give to get. They see God as a slot machine. 00;20;20;24 - 00;20;41;14 Unknown I put my quarters in, ring the toll and get my dollars back. I have a need. I sow a seed. God owes me something. Yeah. So just be very careful how generosity is used as a weapon. Yeah. For Christians. Do you ever see, Kanye interview around that? Because, you know, Kanye went all out. He went all out, right, with his gospel album. 00;20;41;15 - 00;21;01;20 Unknown Yeah. And then went all out, man. And then he there's a certain interview that's. It's not super public. But then he basically shared in the interview, he's like, hey, I gave all of myself to God. And it's still didn't work out. So he's like, still trying to get his own thing. Yeah. So he was. Yeah. So he basically he's like, hey, I, I tried it, I put a Christian album out there. 00;21;01;20 - 00;21;19;11 Unknown I did the Christian thing and you did and Blessed God. Yeah. And so he's like, I'm out for you. Yeah. And so he literally was like, okay, I'm done. So basically because the slot machine didn't work out the way he wanted, it completely went satanic the opposite direction. So I think that's the that's he was still serving Mammon. 00;21;19;14 - 00;21;40;25 Unknown Yeah. So this is where you got to be careful, because prosperity gospel literally uses generosity as weaponizes generosity against God. Yeah. So you're not supposed to let your left hand know what your right hand is doing when you give you when we give, we give not to receive anything, okay? Our treasures are in heaven, bro. Like, it's not about material. 00;21;40;25 - 00;22;09;01 Unknown Well, you think the disciples of Jesus, who died 11 of the 12 died. Horrible deaths for their savior and friend. Jesus. Do you think they got a raw deal out of this? Do you think they were like, wait, wait a minute, where's my millions of dollars, millions of whatever gold talents, whatever those are called on earth? Like no, they were absurdly happy, wildly courageous and fearless and in constant trouble. 00;22;09;03 - 00;22;27;17 Unknown See, they were laying up treasures in heaven. Crowns in heaven that we lay before Jesus feet. Right. Like we have this. If you're just thinking, I'm going to be the Christian, do the good things so that God rewards me here so I can have more money, more stuff, more power, bigger houses, more a jet, a car, a Rolex. 00;22;27;20 - 00;22;53;13 Unknown You are completely missing the mark. A surrendered heart is 100% dependent in the Lord. Not waiting on the Lord. You wait in the Lord, right? This is what surrendered life is. So I gave up. I any listing of like fortune, any things I gave up, whatever. I don't care about net worth anymore. I don't care about any of those things. 00;22;53;13 - 00;23;12;17 Unknown I don't care if I make another dime. In fact, my wife and I are giving more. Like we're just like, wait a minute, it's all about the kingdom. Jesus is coming back soon. We we what are we doing with his resources? How are we stewarding our lives, our time, our talents, our treasure for the kingdom? This is a radical surrender. 00;23;12;17 - 00;23;36;04 Unknown It's all out, man like if you like, people play hokey pokey with the kingdom. With Jesus. They got one foot in the kingdom and one foot on earth and they're dancing back and forth at all times. What about retirement? What about my kids? What about their inheritance? What about, you know, blah blah blah? What about that trip to Cabo or Bora Bora for the 20 year? 00;23;36;04 - 00;24;02;05 Unknown Like, what are you doing? We're here for one reason, and it's to make heaven crowded. That's it. So you want to talk about surrender? Absolute surrender is the only way to surrender. Surrender is not. We went to church. We gave. We did a good thing. I checked the box for reading my Bible and praying this morning for four minutes. 00;24;02;05 - 00;24;25;24 Unknown And then I went and live my own life and built my own kingdom and did my own thing the rest of the day. That's not discipleship, that's hokey pokey Christianity. Sorry to go. Stop. It's a fire man. I see it everywhere. Yeah, yeah, a for a for sure. It is a, there's a big gap. There's a yeah there's a, there's I just lost half your viewers by the. 00;24;25;26 - 00;24;51;28 Unknown Yeah. Trust me, my whole YouTube just got canceled. Oh, there you go, man. I, I appreciate the passion and the tenacity, of following Christ. Right. And I think I think, there's a lot there. There's a lot there that I want to, Yeah. Let me say one more thing. Yeah. Go for it. Surrender is unconditional. 00;24;52;00 - 00;25;14;21 Unknown People think that. Okay, I gave up. I'm doing my Christians checklists. I'm good. There's no cap on surrender. People think it's conditional. Like I'm. This is the lie. I do enough good deeds, right? Be enough of a good, good human. And I get into heaven. All that's backwards. There is no such thing as doing enough good to get into heaven. 00;25;14;23 - 00;25;41;21 Unknown No faith alone. Yeah. Equals salvation. Everyone thinks it's. Some people think it's faith plus works equals salvation. That's a lie to it's. Faith equals salvation. And then works are the fruit. No. See, sanctification and good works are a product of faith. They come out of faith. They don't earn salvation in the kingdom, right? They're they're an outflow of a joy filled heart. 00;25;41;23 - 00;26;02;20 Unknown The fruits of the spirit. Okay. A good way to check in on that is asking somebody on a scale of 1 to 10, how confident are you. You're going to heaven right. And you'll see a lot. There's a lot of Christians that will throw in it. Well actually if you're listening on a scale of 1 to 10, how confident are you that you will make it to heaven? 00;26;02;23 - 00;26;20;25 Unknown And so anything less than a ten shows that your theology may be off or something may be off. Because if you believe in Christ that work is done. You quote unquote have your ticket, you have your you are going to have a no matter what. And so you're, you're you're. Yeah. And so there's nothing that you can do to earn it. 00;26;20;26 - 00;26;45;02 Unknown There's nothing that you can do to 48% of Americans think that they're doing enough good works in their life to go to heaven. Yeah, and it's all a lie. Yeah. See, I just wrote this to all roads do lead to God. Just not heaven. Every knee will bow. Everyone. Every tongue will confess. There will come a day where we all are face to face with God. 00;26;45;05 - 00;27;09;11 Unknown And you either meet him now as a loving Savior and you and you die to your sin, and you repent, and you give your life to him in faith, or you're going to meet him one day as wrathful judge. C.D.C. Heaven's another matter. We're all coming face to face with God. So all roads do lead to him. Just not have him. 00;27;09;13 - 00;27;35;03 Unknown This is a reality that people need to wake up to. Yeah. And they think, oh, if I don't believe it. Well, it's it's a, it's just imaginary. Oh, I don't believe gravity. So I'm going to go jump off the roof. That's ridiculous. Thinking. That's a logical fallacy. Just because you think it's imaginary or a fairy tale does not mean that you are applicable to the consequences of the reality of it. 00;27;35;06 - 00;28;24;23 Unknown We need to be real careful as Americans thinking that, oh, I'm good enough. It's about moralism. It's about reaching some sort of enlightenment. Oh, I'm. I'm too intelligent, educated. I'm good. Well, I would strongly urge you to open up your Bible and read that all have fallen short of the glory of God. All have sinned and fallen short of God's glory, and the only thing that pays for that is the blood of a perfect Savior, Jesus, who is God Himself, who did everything for us, every other religion in the world, every single other religion is about us ascending to God, being good enough, reaching whatever nirvana, enlightenment, release samsara, enough life cycles to do 00;28;24;23 - 00;28;47;14 Unknown X and Y and whatever. Enough. Breathe breathwork and ayahuasca does all this crap. That's all. That's all the lies of religion. Christianity's not a religion. It's a relationship. Jesus is our Savior. Jesus is the one who said, you're never going to be good enough. You're never going to do enough. You're never going to feel a certain way enough. 00;28;47;16 - 00;29;17;02 Unknown I'm going to do it all for you. He came down. He paid the price to reconnect us back to our father. That's what faith is. It's God coming down to man, not man ascending to God. That's why it's a relationship with Jesus, not a religion of works and deeds. So good. Great nuggets there. So let's talk. Let's talk for a moment. 00;29;17;05 - 00;29;35;17 Unknown Yeah. Drop ins of fire man. This is, this is a ha ha. Yes. There. This wasn't me before a year and a half ago. But yeah. No, I could tell you're very, very we'd be talking about business. We'd be talking about this and that and me trying to convince you to tell all your listeners to join my product and buy my service. 00;29;35;18 - 00;29;58;07 Unknown And, yeah, I could care less. Yeah. You're very convicted. I love, I love, I love being around convicted Christians, people that and and it's so neat because, yeah, there's just a lack the we're our churches are filled with lukewarm Christians and it is, it's significant. Man. I'm on. I'm on fire. I have a lot of convictions. 00;29;58;07 - 00;30;20;06 Unknown Convictions in different arenas, faith wise. And so my conviction is that, yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of men that, specifically that are not living lives, you can call it, where they're either activated or where the Holy Spirit's truly alive and on fire and raging inside of them. And so they are living comfortable lives, especially in America. 00;30;20;06 - 00;30;40;12 Unknown And so we're, we're we're jacked up. There's a lot of comfortable Christians that do not. They have a, I don't know, I say almost a fake version of Christianity, that word cultural. Very. Yeah. Cultural Christianity completely. Yeah. It's like Luke lukewarm is a is a scary thing. Yeah. To me. Yeah. I, I was talking to a friend. 00;30;40;14 - 00;31;04;10 Unknown We both would know. I'm not going to say his name on the pod, but he he said these guys, Scott, I think 94% of all Christians are lukewarm right now. And they do not want to look in the mirror. They, they, they would much rather go through the cultural Christianity, which is like, look, I'm going to church. You know, we're they're off and on and our kids are good. 00;31;04;10 - 00;31;31;07 Unknown And I'm reading my Bible and so I'm given here and there to justify my life. You know, we we're not selfish people. I do enough good things. I pray here and there. And what about that verse, man that says, not all who cry, Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven. Then they told, then they told him. They said, Lord, Lord, we, we were casting out demons in your name. 00;31;31;13 - 00;31;53;17 Unknown We were doing miracles in your name. And he says, depart from me, you wicked servant. I never knew you. Hold on a second. They were doing miracles and casting out demons. And he still said he didn't know. How many Christians today do you know that are casting out demons and seeing miracles happen? Are we not even there yet? 00;31;53;19 - 00;32;22;05 Unknown You see, that's why it's a relationship. Do you know Jesus? Are you friends of Jesus? He's coming back for his friends. Like the power of the Holy Spirit in you. Is Jesus talking to you? He's with his father. He's preparing a place for us, and he's speaking to us through the spirit. And and the Word of God is God's Word to us. 00;32;22;07 - 00;32;52;14 Unknown The Holy Spirit will never tell you anything that the gospel hasn't already said. It will. It will always be congruent. I'll put it that way. Nothing's contradictory. Okay? But I, I really struggle with that verse. Depart from me. I never knew you. What are we doing? Like I want to know is my life lived in such a way where Jesus and I are hand in hand, man like I'm really stepping in his steps. 00;32;52;14 - 00;33;19;04 Unknown We're talking throughout the day. Am I praying without ceasing? Am I submitted to the Holy Spirit? Am I taking these thoughts captive? Yeah. Am I yielding to the Holy Spirit? These are things that help you grow a relationship with Jesus. Not necessarily. The fruit, I mean, from their fruit, you all know them. So it's not necessarily those things are not necessarily needed right to to come saying you have to cast out a demon or do a miracle to come to Christ or. 00;33;19;04 - 00;33;38;07 Unknown Yeah, or yeah, or even or even live that sanctified life to know Jesus. So there's a, because there's a fine line there too, right? Because it's like, hey, this is what it looks like to actually be a true follower of Jesus. Well, now is it is it works equal, this true follower of Jesus, or is it accepting him in your heart and true, like surrendering your life? 00;33;38;09 - 00;33;59;21 Unknown Or is it that and prayer and this and this and this to truly like, have salvation, right? To truly be his friend. And so do we. Yeah. We think believing in God is. Is that the answer? I mean, the devil's know that to the devil's believe in him, okay? That all the demons believe in him. That's not what we're talking about. 00;33;59;21 - 00;34;22;25 Unknown Faith is being sure of what you hope for and certain of what you don't see. That's more than just believing that there's a God. It's it's an actual faith. And and walking with Jesus. That's what faith actually is. And if you believe with your heart and confess with your mouth, Jesus is Lord and you believe in your heart that God raised from the dead, you'll be saved. 00;34;22;25 - 00;34;45;14 Unknown Romans clearly says that. Yep, yep. But we got to ask the question of, okay, what does that mean? How do we live that life of faith? Yeah, you'll know by the fruit. I call it the sniff test, right? You can look at someone's life and the things they're saying and match them up with the word of God to see if it's congruent. 00;34;45;16 - 00;35;03;19 Unknown And then you just check the fruit. And if the fruit smells rotten, you got a problem. Yeah I see this with a lot of times with people who pull out the. You ever had this happen where they pulled the Christian card like oh I'm a Christian too. We should do business together. Oh yeah. Very cocky. Better have a lot like contract for that. 00;35;03;26 - 00;35;24;18 Unknown Yeah. Hundred percent. You can't build cages for snakes. Yeah. You got to be careful. People use this as, like, a calling card. Oh, yeah, they do. Let's say, it's anyway. Yeah. No, it's not issues, but I'm just saying, like, we need to understand, like faith walking with the Lord. Yeah. Is like a it's a it should be sanctification is for the rest of your life. 00;35;24;21 - 00;35;45;23 Unknown Yeah. Salvation comes in the moment that you receive Christ and you repent and you're like, you're the way. Yeah, truth of life. Jesus is the way. I'm 100% in forgiving my sins. Lord, help me. And then the rest of your life is sanctification. The process of becoming like Jesus. Well, how can you come like Jesus if you never talk to him? 00;35;45;25 - 00;36;08;01 Unknown If you never know him? Yeah. See, that's the sanctification part of our lives. Here's a wild thought I, I want your opinion on this. I don't think that any Christian is going to experience heaven the same way. Don't worry dude, I grew up like Reformed Presbyterian. I'm pretty solid in the scripture. Yeah, I'm not wild, but I haven't. 00;36;08;04 - 00;36;32;14 Unknown I haven't processed that. So let me, let me let me unpack this with you. Live. Yeah. Okay. So, everybody thinks that, like, the kingdom of heaven and Christianity is like, am I getting in? And I get now, like you said, what's your do between 1 and 10? What do you think you got to go to heaven? I think that that matter, that matter is settled with 1% of the game, which is, did you put your faith in him and give your life to him? 00;36;32;16 - 00;36;56;03 Unknown Faith is salvation. I think the other 99% of the conversation needs to become all right. What's it going to look like to live this life all out for him? Yeah, and heaven is going to be different for every Christian. Doesn't mean you're getting in or not. We've settled that matter through faith. But what if heaven's going to be experienced differently by all of us based on how we live life? 00;36;56;03 - 00;37;16;09 Unknown Or there's treasures in heaven? Have you read the Book of Eternal Rewards? Yeah. It's a great book that dives deep over, about eternity. Yep, yep. There's different rewards in heaven. Yeah, there's different crowns in heaven. Yep. Crowns of glory. Crowns of righteousness. Crowns of rejoicing in heaven. And we lay them all down at Jesus feet at the end of the day. 00;37;16;12 - 00;37;39;04 Unknown But that there's different levels of recognition and honor. In the parable of the talents, he says, hey, you were faithful with little. Now you'll be faithful with much. Take ten cities to to run. What does that mean? Like he's literally giving a direct parallel to the kingdom of heaven. Okay. That we're going to experience having differently. 00;37;39;06 - 00;38;03;11 Unknown And we if Paul tells us to run this race all out with determination and drive as if to win the prize, the crowns of glory and righteousness and rejoicing in heaven, I don't think he's he's not making that an allegory. He's saying that's how it is. He saw the third heaven in one of his visions. Like, why are we not going? 00;38;03;11 - 00;38;25;17 Unknown Oh, I mean, I'm going to go all out. I'm just going to tell you that the rest of my life, after this crazy transformation in my life over the last few years, I'm just going to go all out because I want to live for the line of eternity, not the dot of this life. The dot of this life is what most you'll tell if someone's a lukewarm Christian, if they're just living for the very edge of the dot. 00;38;25;19 - 00;38;52;04 Unknown Retirement comfort, security. I just want to collect my get out of hell free card and collect $200 and I pass go skate by. That's a lukewarm thinking. I want to live for the line, the never ending line of eternity. That is how we got to think about this. That's what living in the kingdom of heaven is. Jesus brought the kingdom of heaven here. 00;38;52;07 - 00;39;13;15 Unknown Yep. Everybody thinks the kingdom of heaven is some other realm, some other place. Jesus brought it. He said, the kingdom of heaven is near. I'm here. Yep, it's in us. And it gets released out to the rest of the world. So live for the lie, not the dot. Yeah. And faith only grows through risk. By the way, if you're not risking. 00;39;13;18 - 00;39;32;22 Unknown Yeah, if you're not stepping out in faith. It's like sitting in the chair testing its weight. You have to have faith in that chair and you got to sit in it. You got to actually test the weight of it. Faith grows through risk. Yep. Those who are unwilling to risk themselves stunt themselves. Yeah. So it's just a part of the game. 00;39;32;29 - 00;40;04;11 Unknown And so 100%. Yep. They they stunt themselves. They get stuck. They get stuck at their level. Yeah. When they're unwilling to risk. And so it's especially hard when Christians are, come, they come up to the choice of risking their business and their financial, well-being. You could put that's that's the scary risk or even relationships. We have some guys that came through this last rock event where they're going to be having some very hard conversations with their wives and opening up about stuff they've never shared. 00;40;04;14 - 00;40;27;06 Unknown And that's what we say. Hey, the the, the the, the man that's unwilling to risk the relationship stunts the relationship. So if he's unwilling to risk the relationship by sharing something that was done that he never wanted to share, he's stunt, he's stunting that relationship. So there's some guys that are going to go back and get real about about living in transparency and living in the light. 00;40;27;09 - 00;40;45;06 Unknown Glitch is super powerful and very scary. And it's a it's a risk. So I love it. I'm always looking for my next risk. Right. Because that I've risked a lot. And it's just it's easy because you can just keep getting back into the comfort zone. Like risking isn't as hard to risk when you risk a lot. So I'm, I'm testing. 00;40;45;06 - 00;41;03;15 Unknown I'm seeing where my next level risks are at. Yeah. And and being open to those. And risk isn't like, well, I'm gonna go jump off a 70ft cliff jump now instead of a. Yeah, I know this is talking about stepping out in faith in you, and the only way that you risk in that way is you do something that the results are unknown, the outcomes are unknown, and it's. 00;41;03;15 - 00;41;21;07 Unknown And it's scary to do, but you're totally testing God's your. He's saying, how much do you trust me when you do it? I have to say I trust you. I'm going. I'm jumping off the plank. I'm going. Evangelism is a great way. Like I once heard, Christian should have a lot of people think Christian lives are boring, all right? 00;41;21;09 - 00;41;40;16 Unknown However, they should be the most exciting lives. Yeah, like when you're when you're talking about Jesus to some strangers, you don't know what's going to happen or go down. Yeah. Like, it should be exciting, you know, like, we should be living the most exciting lives. Amen. I'll tell you what. Last eight months straight, God has totally provided what we need every month. 00;41;40;18 - 00;41;58;05 Unknown Totally risking totally going out, stepping out? Yeah, giving. Like, my wife and I just prayed. We. God's calling us to just give and invest in the kingdom and give and go and just radical provision. In fact, I think I've landed on something different in my theology now. You know, I was a theology major. I was a youth late pastor. 00;41;58;05 - 00;42;20;04 Unknown I, I've studied this and then I went to business for 20 years. But it's not the prosperity gospel that's a lie. It's not the the poverty gospel either. God's like will for you is not to be sick, poor, broken, miserable every day for the rest of your life. Okay? In fact, poverty is a spiritual. Like. I'm not saying being poor is a sin, but I'm saying it's poverty. 00;42;20;06 - 00;42;37;17 Unknown It's a mindset. It's a yeah, it's a stronghold. It is. Yeah, it's a victim mindset. You have to be very, very careful of you have to you have to break these things right and get training. But being poor sick is not an evil thing. It's just don't let the mindset become your identity because that's where the devil is like gets to you. 00;42;37;17 - 00;43;00;08 Unknown And that's what causes a lot depression. These like cycles through generations of poverty and burdens and misery. Like you got to break that to. But the God's the poverty gospel was not it? I think it's the provision gospel. I think God's work done God's way will never cease, will never cease to get God's resources to accomplish your mission. 00;43;00;10 - 00;43;29;29 Unknown He provides abundantly for his children. Right? Psalms says his seeds will never lack bread like he will provide. And provision, by the way, is not month to month paycheck. People think that that's oh, like I barely covered my grocery bills this month. I think provision is provision follows vision. So when we seek God's vision for our lives, what's his assignment? 00;43;30;01 - 00;43;52;00 Unknown We all have the same calling. By the way, our calling is to fulfill the Great Commission. Okay, we're all called to do that. Go. Therefore, make disciples of all nations, teaching them to obey everything I've commanded you. Baptize. Name the father, son, and Holy Spirit. That's our same call for every other purpose. Our assignments are different, but I think if you have you we should be seeking visions so much more as men and women of God. 00;43;52;03 - 00;44;22;14 Unknown God, what's your vision for my life? What's your call? What? Where do you want me to go? What's your assignment? And when we step into that, we follow that in faith. Provision follows vision. And provision to me is similar to like this just abundance. But it's you're out of bad debts and you have enough to take care and accomplish the mission that God has given you with and with plenty left over to help other people fulfill their assignment as well. 00;44;22;17 - 00;44;45;22 Unknown That's how the Kingdom works. Does that make sense? So you're not just covering like the grocery baby? A lot of people, when they hear provision, they think. They think month or month. Most people I would say like, hey, God's going to provide just enough. Yeah, to barely get by. There are could be seasons in your life. Yeah. Where God provides just enough, but there's other seasons in your life where he's he's generous. 00;44;45;22 - 00;45;06;12 Unknown He's he's pouring it out all over you. Yeah. So you can help other people. That's the goal. Not to store it up, but by the rich fool, he's like, remember that? I'm just good. I've got plenty of grain for years. I'm going to build a bigger storehouse. I'm going to eat, drink and be merry. And God was like, you wicked servant, you this, you wicked fool. 00;45;06;15 - 00;45;21;03 Unknown This is like, take it all the way. Get this God put this guy in jail or whatever they did in the parable. But he's like, this is what happens to those that are rich towards God. And that by being rich towards God, it means you are generous as a mindset and a way of life in little or in much. 00;45;21;03 - 00;45;41;28 Unknown Yeah. And and so what I'm hearing you say. So I have different perspectives on the right, the legalism around a way a Christian should live. Right. Because we can get we can get legalistic with some of that stuff potentially. Right. So it's like, hey, you know, you need to give all of it away, right? Or hey, that house is too big that houses to this, that you shouldn't drive a nice car. 00;45;41;28 - 00;46;01;11 Unknown You should like we can get very legalistic in the way shoes are too nice. Yeah, it's a tricky it's a tricky thing. And I think that's where a discernment comes in. And then be just being thoughtful with Yeah. Like let's say, let's say Tim Tebow loves Jesus and is going all out and is giving millions, but then he's got is right couple of $5 million house. 00;46;01;13 - 00;46;18;16 Unknown Right. So is that too is that too much or is that like, should he be giving more and sacrificing more. And so there's a I'm constantly I think there's a healthy tension. There is where I live in and tell you, Tim is one of the most loving, selfless, surrendered, generous men I've ever met. Totally. Yeah. We were talking about this yesterday, literally on zoom. 00;46;18;18 - 00;46;42;28 Unknown Yeah. Yeah, I agree because. Yeah, because I'm assuming he has some nice things too. Yeah. They I mean, well, yeah, they, they're, they're taken care of. Yeah. And they're taking care of millions of, of vulnerable kids. Totally. So they're doing both. Right. So they're experiencing some abundance in their life while giving abundantly. Right. And I think that's where the I think that's where the and that may not be for every Christian, but that's the where the line is. 00;46;42;28 - 00;47;02;04 Unknown I think it's a holding all things loosely. Yeah, exactly. None of those. I'll tell you, Tim, I talk about all the time. You hold all things loosely. Yeah. God calls it. He calls it. If he's asking us to use it. Use it? We are. We're just stewards of everything he is asking us to steward. Yeah, right. And I think that's really the line. 00;47;02;04 - 00;47;21;11 Unknown But the moment it's too important. The moment you got to have more of it. Yeah. The moment it's a status symbol. Yeah. The moment it's about being liked or cool or approval. Like if you live for man's approval, you'll die by their rejection. Yep. If if you're if you're trying to fill a hole in your heart right now, it's an idol. 00;47;21;14 - 00;47;49;12 Unknown And we need to practice what I call the habit of dethroning. Yeah. All the time. Every single day. Yeah. And the more you practice this habit of dethroning than these material things, that's great. Are used as blessings in the kingdom. Exactly. I'm not saying we should all be walking around in sackcloth and whatever corn, corn meal, hemp robes and yeah, thong sandals, like, with no bank accounts and never using any material things or a credit card. 00;47;49;15 - 00;48;11;06 Unknown That's wild and I'm wild and I'm saying that's that's a wild thing. But I am saying we should hold all things loosely. Right. Yep. My, that's, that's a core fundamental belief in the rise of Kings community is a loose grip. Let me let me call it a loose grip. Yep. Have tools not toys. Alan Barnhart taught us this in our family legacy group. 00;48;11;08 - 00;48;26;29 Unknown He's the one that basically surrendered most of his business at their growing $600 million a year business. He takes a simple salary and the rest is for Kingdom. He's a he's a wild man. That's. I love a man that's next level. I'm not I'm not I'm not there. We give a lot and that's next. Next level. This next level. 00;48;26;29 - 00;48;48;27 Unknown Yeah. But his kids are all grown. You got grandkids there. You know, nearing the end. And he's just like, we don't need much. We've got enough. We're content. And yet he's running $1 billion company which is wild and amazing. And praise God for a heart like that. Yeah. But he, he taught us this simple rule is like, hey, we, in our home, we buy, tools, not toys. 00;48;48;29 - 00;49;15;26 Unknown Our house is now hospitality. Our car, our car keys are open for borrow at any time. Our fridge is open for the rating. We don't buy toys. We buy tools for ministry. That is a powerful way of looking at it. How how are your assets being used for the kingdom? Sure. You can have your name on the pink slip or the paper of it and own it for now. 00;49;15;29 - 00;49;40;26 Unknown But how is it being used for ministry? That is a wonderful way of thinking about assets. Have tools, not toys. And like they asked C.S. Lewis, hey, what do you think? How much is enough to give? You know, everybody argues about this. Do we ty? Do we not? Do we blah blah blah? I mean, Jesus praised the widow's two coins more than all the wealthy people giving from their surplus she gave out of her lack. 00;49;40;29 - 00;49;47;01 Unknown Right? They asks Lewis how much is enough? And he said, I think until it hurts. 00;49;47;03 - 00;50;14;26 Unknown Till you feel it. If you can live for a years and you're given a couple of weeks of your pay, what are you doing? Generosity is it must be costly. Or else it's not generosity, it's justification. And so that's something that's convicted me. My job is to say the things that convict myself by the way I preach to myself because I need to hear these things because it's very hard. 00;50;14;28 - 00;50;34;19 Unknown Yeah. We're going through this right now. The Lord call my wife and I for a nest egg. And we have four kids under ten, and he's calling it up. And so we're surrendering it because he's asking, are you saying giving away your nest egg? Is that what you're saying? Peace at most, yes. Yeah. At this age, like, stuff we've saved and. 00;50;34;23 - 00;50;52;20 Unknown Yeah. And I'm not going to tell you what or how much, but I'm just going to tell you it was, for the future thing. This is God's like, hey, you've done this before and you've seen what happened. How much do you trust me? I'll never forget. David Green was one of my mentors with Hobby Lobby. He told me a story when they started Hobby Lobby. 00;50;52;20 - 00;51;14;04 Unknown He has five siblings. They're all all word ministry, and he was the only one that went to business. And if you don't know, Hobby Lobby is a $15 billion mega thousand store business like Michael. They're a massive. Yep. He told me this story one time. He basically said, hey, so we had our first store. We were we were not even making it by we we're barely making it like a few thousand dollars a month. 00;51;14;06 - 00;51;44;12 Unknown He was on a walk and he just he felt the Lord say, how much do you trust me? And he's just like, I trust you. I trust you with everything. And God says, all right, well, you count out, you can now give me. Let's see. So he goes home that night, he goes to a church like meeting. It was like a Bible school meeting thing and a but a couple of missionaries were there, and he felt that the Lord tell him to give them $30,000, and he did not have that in his account at all. 00;51;44;14 - 00;52;11;10 Unknown He wrote four checks for $7,500 to be cashed every month for four months, and he handed it to him right there. And over the next four months, God miraculously covered their bills and grew their business. And it has been that way ever since. To where now Hobby Lobby has surrendered. 99% of that whole business is in a in a stewardship trust for ministries. 00;52;11;13 - 00;52;34;27 Unknown Half of everything they make every year goes into reinvestments, into growing, the other half goes into straight ministries, and they've given billions and billions of dollars into the kingdom of heaven. Hundreds of hundreds of millions of people's souls are credited to what they are doing. They help with the Bible app. They help with all these unbelievable. Getting the Bible translated into all 2500 languages. 00;52;35;03 - 00;52;56;26 Unknown You guys, these guys are models of the faith. Have they done everything perfect? No. People criticize them for whatever this and that, but they are heroes of the faith and 99% of their company is literally owned by this charitable stewardship trust, and all their voting is in 1%. I remember when that went down there instead of giving it to the kids and they yeah, well, I that's my story. 00;52;56;26 - 00;53;19;19 Unknown There was a yeah, it's a I'll tell you this. My I come from four generations of mega entrepreneurs. Yeah. Who built hundreds of millions or billions of dollars. Companies and did not pass it down. What they passed down was heritage. They passed down real legacy. They left so much more in us than to us. My my dad, my grandpa built Inner West Bank. 00;53;19;19 - 00;53;41;01 Unknown It was $1.2 billion bank started from nothing, grew to 90 branches. Sold to Wells Fargo in 2001. They put all but a few million of it in a charitable trust for widows and orphans. We've been giving it together for 20 years. And I could not be more thankful. Yeah. The example that they said, hey, we're going to by the way, we're not just going to, like, leave you hanging. 00;53;41;01 - 00;53;58;29 Unknown We're going to teach you to fish. We're going to teach you to hunt. Right. Well, our family doesn't teach to fish. They teach to hunt. And they built me up. They're like, you're going to blow by us. And we have in so many ways, see, that's that's I think it's about heritage, not inheritance. See, it's a last name that means something. 00;53;58;29 - 00;54;24;00 Unknown It's a spiritual inheritance. It's about rewards in heaven. It's about training your children the way they should go. It's about leaving. And then. Then the stories, the identity, the values of the family that is infinitely more important than whatever you die with to give them. But all we focus on in this world is a bunch of net assets, net worth stuff, so that we can hopefully die with a lot of it and take care of them. 00;54;24;02 - 00;54;43;19 Unknown We gotta train them to to trust God, to take care of them and learn to build and learn to be the power mover of their generation. They I mean, you leave them nothing. That's ridiculous. But there's a difference between and I love you gift and a coasting gift to a coasting gift makes them coast. This is how you ruin generations of family big time. 00;54;43;19 - 00;54;59;23 Unknown You give them so much that they coast right? There's I love you gifts. Hey, you got married, I love you. Hey, we just want to share this abundance with you. Here's tens. It's 2000 bucks or tens of thousands or whatever. Like we love you and we've been blessed by God. We want to, you know, help! You got a kid, you got privates. 00;54;59;24 - 00;55;15;28 Unknown We're going to help you with the schooling. We're going to do this. See, that's love. Here's a stroke of a huge check that makes you think, oh, I can coast. I don't have to take that risk or go to go through that new business or try that thing. I'm just going to not create the value and just set. 00;55;16;01 - 00;55;37;00 Unknown That's the wrong move. So I think it's way more about heritage over inheritance. It's good. So anyway, yeah, I like it. Matt. Well that that was that cruised by. So let's we got to wrap up. We got we have are we go we get on time. Okay. I'm looking at my podcast guy. We talk about families. 00;55;37;05 - 00;55;53;07 Unknown We didn't even get to families. We didn't get to a few other core topics. We'll have to do that another time. Can come to our mentor family program. That's fine. There you go. How can I how can people, How can people find out about you? What you do? Well, I guess you'll find out soon when we launch the the Kingdom Habits discipleship book stuff. 00;55;53;08 - 00;56;13;22 Unknown Yeah, but, my life is helping families and parents and kids. We've been studying the top, strongest families in the world that had kids blow by them in every way. Faith values, mindset, skill sets and relationship intimacy. That's who we study. And we pass on their their best recipes, and we help them break through issues and heal and grow and just get stronger. 00;56;13;22 - 00;56;32;01 Unknown And so, we just have this program called it's fig and eagle.com, like fig tree and an eagle because we teach we teach routes and we teach wings. That's how you train a family up. So fig and eagle.com they can get our free case study. And that's a great resource to it's like the top ten tips from the top families we've ever studied. 00;56;32;04 - 00;56;47;17 Unknown And they can get that for free. And then they want to join us. They can. But that resource is awesome. Great love. You will appreciate the wisdom man. And yeah, great having you for sure. We'll have to. We'll have to continue another conversation. I want to dive deep into that and to what you learn from the families that you have studied. 00;56;47;17 - 00;57;07;06 Unknown So I say one thing. The last thing I'll say is this. Because it has to do with the our conversation today. Yeah. For parents listening to this, what you don't heal from, you pass down, and the demons that you don't face head on are going to raise your kids. And so we have in our program, we call it the C4 framework. 00;57;07;06 - 00;57;24;29 Unknown There's core values, courage, capability and connection. And the number one thing we talk through in our connection series is how do we heal? How do we break through this stuff? How do we do conflict right? How do we do? How do we don't just discipline our kids? How do we raise self-disciplined kids? How do we raise antifragile kids? 00;57;24;29 - 00;57;43;17 Unknown But we're deeply connected to them, right? And I think for for parents listening, it's, it's not about giving your kids all the things you never had. It's about teaching your kids all the things you didn't learn. That's how we can heal. Okay, so I'll just leave people with that because I think that might I feel in my spirit. 00;57;43;17 - 00;57;55;08 Unknown That's a breakthrough for somebody listening to this call right now or this interview. We need to heal or they'll raise our kids. It's good. Appreciate you. Thank you. Glad to be here. Thanks, man.