Miesha Tate Gets Brutally Honest About UFC, Motherhood & Hormones

Your training plan might be solid, your work ethic might be elite, and you still might be playing the wrong game for your body. Former UFC champion, entrepreneur, and mom Miesha Tate joins us on Vegas Circle Podcast and takes us from cage-level mindset to day-to-day life, starting with parenting in the real world: sports drop-offs, busy schedules, and the belief that our job is to challenge our kids and guide them through pressure, not remove it. 

From there, we get into what combat sports actually teach: problem-solving under stress, self-defence confidence, and the kind of calm posture and situational awareness that makes you a harder target in any environment. Miesha breaks down how she prepares mentally before a fight using visualisation, naming intrusive thoughts, and reframing fear toward what she can control. That same mental toughness shows up again when she talks about transitions, entrepreneurship, and why “safe is not where you grow.” 

Then the conversation goes deep on women’s health, female athlete training, and hormone cycles. We talk progesterone, the luteal phase, why weight cutting can hit women differently, and how training like a “male model” can lead to burnout, injury, and even amenorrhea. Miesha also shares how better communication at home changes everything and closes with hard-earned honesty about strength, vulnerability, and leaving toxic relationships when endurance turns into self-erasure. 

If you care about mindset, resilience, women’s hormone health, self-defence, and building a personal brand with integrity, you will get a lot from this one. Subscribe, share this with someone who trains hard, and leave a review with the biggest takeaway you are applying this week.

Transcript

Welcome And Meet Miesha Tate

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Welcome to Vegas Circle Podcast with your hosts, Pocky and Chris. We are people who are passionate about business, success, and culture. And this is our platform to showcase people in our city who are making it happen. And on today's podcast, we got just that, man. We've got a special guest uh joining us, former UFC uh champion, entrepreneur, mom, and host of Built for Girl Podcasts. Welcome into the circle, Misha Tate.

SPEAKER_04 0:23

So well, thank you guys. Thank you. Yeah, it was fun to run into you here at Oregon. We won some awards for our podcast, doing cool things here in the valley.

SPEAKER_02 0:30

Absolutely. How you been doing? How is life for you?

SPEAKER_04 0:34

You know, life is busy, shaking and moving. Especially this month is a busy one. It's a little bit ebb and flow, but but it's good. You know, I like being busy. I always say busy is better than bored, right? If you got too much time on your hand, I think that's a problem. So you got to get to it.

SPEAKER_00 0:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 0:47

You know, before I had kids, I th I think back to that and I was like, I had so much time. I didn't know I had so much time.

SPEAKER_02 0:54

I mean, you know, there's no time when you have kids.

SPEAKER_04 0:56

Like, I've I've where'd all the time go? Can we like I wish we could kind of shake it up and like mix it up, give me a little bit more of that, what I had back then. But you know, what do they say? Another one, youth is wasted on the young.

SPEAKER_03 1:06

That is very true. I was an avid gamer when I was younger, and I don't think I played games in like five years since I had kids. It's been like a nightmare. It changes up.

SPEAKER_02 1:13

We we laugh all the time. I think I have I'm an Uber driver now, is all I do. Take them to wherever they need to go to. So it's it's unreal. How how old are your children? You have a a daughter and a son, correct?

SPEAKER_04 1:22

Yes, a seven-year-old daughter and a five-year-old son. Oh, so you just yeah, they're turning eight and six soon. Yeah. For this, I was just dropping them off at the house after sport, you know. So yes, it's starting.

SPEAKER_02 1:32

Yeah. What are they what are they playing?

SPEAKER_04 1:34

Right now, they're doing jujitsu and kickboxing.

unknown 1:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:36

So they follow in your footsteps.

Busy Life And Parenting Reality

SPEAKER_04 1:38

Yeah, a little bit. My daughter doesn't like jujitsu that much. She's still more of a lover. She didn't like to be aggressive. She likes the kickboxing because you don't have to get, you know, rough and in people's faces as much, you know? But my son's playing baseball right now, and my daughter's doing dance too.

SPEAKER_03 1:52

I would assume that you probably did sports growing up. Obviously, I don't know how many you're bringing, but how important is it for you as a parent now to instill that sports like in the kids as they're kind of going through that same experience?

SPEAKER_04 2:01

I think it's important because it just gives the the kids an opportunity to learn. I mean, in so many different ways, not even just the physical aspect, because I think we stay pretty physical as a family, and even in the school that they go to, they do like an hour workout every day, which I think is fantastic.

unknown 2:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:15

Um, and they spend a ton of time outside. So they're very active, but it's that learning to, especially in a sport like jujitsu or even kickboxing, you know, you're learning to play a physical game of chess with another human being. So there's the problem-solving aspect, there's the, you know, social aspect. It's, you know, can be good or bad. I mean, sometimes these kids get pissed at each other, you know, everyone's head off, like how you deal with that kind of pressure. So I like putting my kids in high pressure situations in a sense where I can still kind of be there to guide them because I think that's my job as a parent. I think a lot of parents get it wrong. We think parents sometimes think that their job is to make their kids happy and have a good, you know, eat like easy life, like, you know, provide all the things. I think that our job is exactly almost the opposite. Yes, we want safety, we want food, you know, food and a roof. But I think our job primarily is to put our children with as much challenges as they can handle and guide them through it.

SPEAKER_03 3:11

That's a great perspective. Uh yeah, I'd be taking that home.

SPEAKER_04 3:13

This is a different way. When you're on your own, you get screwed. You gotta know how to do it. You gotta navigate. Yeah. So I'm like, that's what I want to do is I want to know that when I leave the this world or when you leave the nest that you've already been through for sure. And I've been there for you as your rock to support you, and that now you have all the skills that you need. You know you can do hard things. You know that you can get you can get off the mat when it's when it's been a tough day. You could pill yourself back up and go another round when you think you had it in you, or you know, you can problem solve, or you can fix things. Like, I just think that is that's our job.

SPEAKER_03 3:46

What's like the difference, you know, because like your the solo sports are very different than team sports in that dynamic, whereas more cohesive, less high stress on me personally. I can like deflect a lot of that. You know, do you think that's more important to like I know not more important, but there's a different value in kind of navigating these different types of sports, like in that from that perspective and the challenge that you're just facing?

Sports That Teach Pressure Skills

SPEAKER_04 4:06

Yeah, for sure. I've always said, you know, I'm gonna let my children choose what they want to do. That's kind of a little bit of a lie because they will get some choice, like you know, baseball and dance, but I also want them to absolutely do sports that I know will help them protect themselves moving forward. So whether it's wrestling or jujitsu or kickboxing, there will be some kind of contact sport that's individual, that's high pressure, that's going to simulate if somebody wanted to kick your ass. Yeah. Can you handle yourself? Yeah, because I want you in a safe environment where most of the people on the mat are that's not the case. It's very rare if people are losing their tempers or, you know, but it does happen. But I want you to basically know that you've been there and you can handle yourself. Right. I think, especially as a girl, that's so important to know. I think that I walk to my car with a different confidence. People always ask me, you know, have you ever like been in a situation? I was like, I just okay, I might be a little biased in the way that I look at myself, maybe say a little arrogant here. I hope that I don't come across that way, but but no, because I I truly think that if somebody were looking for a female victim, I don't think they'd pick me out of the crowd and be like, that's the one I want to fight.

SPEAKER_02 5:11

You know, like when I'm saying that you could tell. Yeah. There's also a certain energy, too.

SPEAKER_04 5:17

Energy, yeah. Like I'm not putting out a victim energy. And that that's not saying that I'm not saying that I would ever want to like, you know, go hand to hand with males. I've trained with men, I know there's a difference. I have no, no, like, I don't have no problem with that. Yeah. Very humble in that. But, you know, or too, like a lot of times when you you, you know, they're looking to attack you, it's more than one man, you know. So it's like even even a man your size, you know, you get two big strong men, it's still gonna be a struggle, right? So, like, I don't want to mess with that either. So I'm aware about my sound surroundings. I try to, you know, do all the things to basically say, look, I'm not an easy target. Yeah, I'm not the one that you want to pick off because I'm I'm gonna carry myself with the confidence, I'm gonna be aware of the surroundings. I'm gonna do all the things, you know. I got my jujitsu, my jujitsu swag walk.

SPEAKER_02 6:01

Yeah, yeah, great. Because I done the world is crazy as a thing.

How She Started Fighting

SPEAKER_04 6:04

Yeah, that's everything. And when did you start fighting?

SPEAKER_02 6:06

Like what age did you actually start training and doing all of that?

SPEAKER_04 6:09

So fighting, I started at 19 years old.

SPEAKER_02 6:11

Oh, it's pretty late. Yeah, pretty late.

SPEAKER_04 6:14

But at that time it was early. Gotcha. For especially for women. For women, yeah, yeah. So so much has changed, which is beautiful. Like getting to see my daughter on the mat and seeing all the little girls that are on the mat. Yeah, that was not something we saw back then. There was no women's wrestling teams. That wasn't a thing.

SPEAKER_00 6:28

That's true.

SPEAKER_04 6:28

And now the women's wrestling is one of the fastest growing sports, the at least nationwide, if not worldwide. And so to see these young girls starting younger and younger and having that opportunity. My son will never grow up and think that it's weird that a female's on the map.

SPEAKER_02 6:45

Yeah, that's awesome.

SPEAKER_04 6:45

You just train them with girls all the time. It's just normal.

SPEAKER_02 6:48

And they know who you are, though. That's the other, that's the other deal.

SPEAKER_04 6:51

Some of them, you know, some of their dads peel them off, like, can we get a picture with you? This is like, yes, but it's cool, you know, it's it's great to see, and it's just a different time. Uh, but I started wrestling at 15.

SPEAKER_02 7:01

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_04 7:01

So I started wrestling that was kind of the precursor, had no intention of fighting, I was not like a violent person. I didn't have like, you know, some fighters have like all these issues that they need to sort out. That wasn't me. I don't have a trauma-free childhood, but it I was I was raised with a loving family, and I just started fighting because it looked like a hell of a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_02 7:20

Yeah. That's what I used to, yeah. Now what would y'all do? That's that's how serious. I mean, that's not that's no play. It's not a play sport at all.

SPEAKER_04 7:29

No, I mean, we have four ounce gloves on and we're locked in a in a cage, and it is all on except for biting, hair pulling, eye gouging, you know, no groin shots. But other than that, it's a full contact sport. So yeah, it's it's not a joke. We're trying to absolutely knock each other out. I've been knocked out. I had to pick myself off the mat and be like, so do we want to do it better or do we want to submit? And it's like, no, we're gonna do it better. And that's just been kind of the whole career, if I'll be honest.

SPEAKER_03 7:55

I had a friend of mine when I was growing up, he's like, I'm gonna go be a UFC fighter. And I'm like, oh, great, he's training for months and months and months. I think maybe a year or two years. He's training. He goes into his first fight, gets knocked out, never did it again. He's like, I'm done over that. I was like, it's such a hard experience to navigate. Like, where do you get that fortitude to that first fight where it's legitimate and you're having a hard time? You're getting you know taken up pretty bad, and you know, because Rebbe I'm sure goes through that at some point. Like, how what is that motivating factor to continue to keep pushing after that?

SPEAKER_04 8:20

Well, some people are just stupid, stubborn. I'm one of them.

SPEAKER_02 8:23

So I helped still when stubborn on certain things. It does help.

SPEAKER_04 8:27

I don't know if the stupid part helps, but in in my case, it worked out. But no, joking aside, I think that when I went out for the wrestling team, I didn't know what it was going to teach me. But what it taught me was that I can do harder things than I thought. Way beyond my wildest dreams and imagination could I have ever thought. It was like I was placed in hot water and and and then I really found out how strong I was, like a good cup of coffee, right? So really, I think that's what it was. And I was wrestling primarily, guys. I mean, I had my best friend Sharon with me. She was the only other girl on the team. She didn't come out for the junior year, though. So I was all by myself in that year. And that's when I really it was like very sink or swim. And I I remember that first day, I got my ass handed to me. I it was it was rough. I had mat burns, I was sore, I was like, my joints hurt. They weren't playing games, they weren't there to be cute or entertained, girls being on the team. They're like, this is not a place for girls, they didn't get the memo. We need to get them out of here. There are other times and places for girls, but not on the wrestling net. Okay. So they wanted us out of there and they just they they went hard. Yeah. And I I loved it. I was like, this is the this is the hardest thing I've ever done. And I'm not very good at it. I'm not good at it at all, but I really want to get better. And I don't know what it is about me that made me think that way, but that was my mindset, and I kept doing it all four years. And by the end of my fourth year, I end up winning the coaches award. Which is I gave it out to one athlete that kind of embodies what it means to be, you know, of that sport, which was wrestling for me. And that was a huge life lesson too, that I could change the perspective. You know, you guys aren't that yeah, you guys aren't that bad. You just you take a little time to come around sometimes.

SPEAKER_02 10:12

I'm curious like what like what do your parents say like when you want to be able to be a professional fighter, like and you tell them, hey, I want to be a professional fighter, what did it do? Were they shocked? Yeah, or was this like kind of expected?

SPEAKER_04 10:25

Well, I think it was a it was sort of a slow lead on. Like they could have maybe seen it coming. So I think going out for wrestling was a big shock. Oh, yeah, exactly. Right? Okay, seniors. Oh yeah, yeah. So so I'm going out for wrestling. I'm a freshman. Freshman, freshman. I was an old freshman, so my birthday's in August. And so I was like just turning before. But so I was by the time wrestling season rolled around in the middle of the year, I was 15. And I told my mom I want to go out for wrestling. And my mom's one of those people that's kind of like, I'm not gonna tell my daughter she can't do something because she's a girl. Yeah, thank God. Because really, no, literally, thank the Lord, because there were a lot of parents that did tell their daughters, you can't do that. You're you're a girl. I'm not gonna let you do that. Because I tried to get more girls to come out. I didn't want to be the lone soldier. I wanted more women out there. Yeah, but they were like, nah, my parents won't let me. I would like to, though. And I was like, man, I'm glad my mom didn't say no to me. But my dad didn't know for a little while into the season, probably, until my mom actually was sure I wasn't gonna quit. She didn't think I was gonna like it. And I loved it. And then we told my dad, and he didn't like that very much at all. And then I went into college. My mom put her foot down though. She was like, You're not gonna tell her she can't do it. Yep. So I was like, fine, whatever, but I don't really want to hear about it that much. Like he didn't want to go, he didn't want to see it, he didn't really support very much because he just, you know, it's his little girl out there. I think that's hard. I understand more so now. I went into college and I stumbled across a mixed martial arts program there and a fruit.

SPEAKER_02 11:57

Fruit college at Central Washington University.

SPEAKER_04 12:00

Okay, and my friend Rosalie was like, You gotta come out for this this MMA program, whatever. And I was like, I don't think so. It doesn't sound right for me. I don't know, fighting, what, you know, and she was wearing a karate suit, and I was like, oh hell no. You know? I was like, I'm not wearing that, whatever that is. Not that a single better. I don't know why I had such a you know aversion to the ghee, but I was like, no, I don't think that's for me. And and she kept pestering me about it. And I was like, all right, fine, I'll go to humor you. And she's like, you know, they're they're former wrestlers. The wrestling program at that school had gotten cut just a year before.

SPEAKER_00 12:34

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_04 12:35

So a lot of them that weren't able to transfer out to other schools exactly started this club sport.

SPEAKER_02 12:40

So I was like, oh okay, well basically the same same people that you're gonna you were gonna be with anyway. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 12:47

And then I went on my very first day and I learned how to choke people.

SPEAKER_03 12:50

That's crazy. It was different than uh wrestling, right?

SPEAKER_04 12:53

Like immediately this I think I could add to my wrestling. What is this jujitsu? And I started learning submissions and they're like, Do you want to learn the striking? I was like, nope, I don't care about that at all. I just want to learn the jujitsu thing. Yeah, then I went to my first fight, uh, it was a local fight in Yakima, Washington, and I watched all these amateurs just I mean, they beat the piss out of each other. They fought with their heart and souls, it was incredible. And I had such a reaction to that. I just remember sitting there taking it all in, and uh it just undid all my preconceived notions of what I thought fighting was.

Mental Reps Before The Cage

SPEAKER_02 13:29

Yeah, but you mentioned something about like the strategy, this the the the it's literally chess on an extremely high level. Yeah. What does go on in your mind, like just mentally before you're going into the cage? I mean, you have to have all these crazy things, fears, things along those lines. Like, how do you control all of that? And then what is that chess game that you're kind of playing in your head? With the eye of the tiger.

SPEAKER_04 13:50

Well, you don't want to wait until that moment to try to control everything you're thinking about because you just don't know. Like, there's tons of invasive thoughts in that moment. There's a lot of what-ifs, there's a lot of opportunity to doubt yourself and get that toxic mindset spinning you kind of and I do think that the body follows the mind. So I believe that you have to go there in your mind multiple times, hundreds of times, I would recommend. First. Before you ever actually step out there, like purposely doubting yourself, like in your mind, or like doubting-you're just giving yourself space to process what that's gonna feel like, like really just visualizing it and then dealing with those intrusive thoughts in a way that you reframe them. So a reframe for me would be like if I would have an intrusive thought, like, oh man, I I had a really bad day at practice today. Like, what if I lose this fight? What if everybody that comes is disappointed? What if, and I say, okay, that was an intrusive thought. First I label it. I'm like, I didn't welcome that. That's not what I that's not where I want to go. Okay, so I maybe I get curious about it and I say, well, what if I lose the fight? Am I still Misha Tate at the end of the day? Like, did I do I'm still a mom? Am I still do I still loved by all these people? Okay, well, that eases that a little bit. And also I'm also gonna think about, well, you know, have I done everything I can? Yeah. Am I training hard? Okay, then why am I gonna have why am I gonna entertain that? I'm not even gonna entertain that. First of all, I know it's okay if I do lose. It's a part of the job and I will lose at times. So I need to accept that. But that's not where I'm gonna go with this. I'm gonna reframe that. I'm gonna say I've done everything I can to prepare. So let's not let these toxic thoughts have that much space in my my mind. They're gonna come and I'm gonna, I'm gonna address them and I'm gonna throw them out and just say, Well, I've done every single thing that I can to prepare. So when I do that, odds are in my favor. Yeah. And the less that I entertain the toxic thoughts, the better off I tend to do in the fights.

SPEAKER_03 15:39

I think that's like super powerful to see how that mindset to navigate such those high-pressure experiences and you know, just kind of like shifting a little bit. So we reach the pinnacle of a sport, right? And you put all this effort and time and all of this, you know, things, and you've had great success in what you did, and then you know, slowly you have to fade transition into a different environment. And you know, and I'm sure those same thoughts come in your head. Absolutely. You know, as you're navigating that and you're making the decisions, you know, on next steps, you know, to me, I would feel like that would be a very nervous feeling and moving into that next step. Like, how do you navigate that transition away from that pinnacle to maybe starting fresh again and trying to navigate a whole different experience?

SPEAKER_04 16:15

You know, I liken it again back to knowing I can do hard things. Anytime I'm transitioning, it's uncomfortable. And I begun to relish in that feeling of being uncomfortable because then I know I'm on the tip of doing something new and great and exciting, even if it's failure.

SPEAKER_00 16:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 16:34

Failure can still be great in its own way and it can still be exciting in its own way, even when it sucks, because there's a ton you can take away from it. And so I think when I look at every opportunity to transition or jump to a branch or make a change in my life, instead of saying, like, oh no, that's uncomfortable. I don't know if I should do that. I'm like, oh, that's that feeling I always get before something great happens.

SPEAKER_02 16:58

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_04 16:59

Even when it's a failure.

SPEAKER_02 17:01

Because everybody wants to be safe. Yeah. Everybody wants to be safe. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 17:04

And I I just toss that out the window. I don't think I ever would have taken my first fight if I wanted to be safe. Safe is not where you grow. It's where, you know, when you're when you're complacent, that's just where your dreams go to die.

SPEAKER_03 17:16

How do you like navigate those learning moments? Like as you're going away from that to going into entrepreneurship as an example is something that I'm sure, you know, it's all brand new, right? Because most of your time, it's how do I develop me? How do I focus internally? How do I do this? But now I'm doing things more externally, more structured, more linear pathways. And that's a different definition of how success is measured in certain instances. So, how do you like, you know, those things help you perform in that environment when it's brand new? Like, and how are you learning how to navigate that being brand new?

SPEAKER_04 17:46

Well, I feel like every time you build a house, it could it's brand new. Yeah. But you're still building a house. Right. So the first house you might build might be out of popsicle stick from your little kid. You're like, oh yeah, I don't think I want, you know. Right. And then you might build another one and it might be out in the woods, and you might build it, you know, might build a teepee or a tent or you know, whatever. And you know, metaphorically speaking, each time that you do this, you get better and better at building your house. And maybe the first house you move out of the nest and you and you you live in, you're like, Well, this is the changes I will make someday when I want to have my dream house. And so every time that that metaphorical home burns to the ground, it's just an opportunity to improve. Yeah. Because you you don't have to fear it if you know that you have the skill set to build the house again.

SPEAKER_03 18:32

Sounds just saying that's a good analogy. That's first of all, I heard I explain it like that. Yes, that's awesome. Yeah, because if you live in that to popsicle house for a long time, you end up doing a whole lot.

SPEAKER_04 18:39

Yeah, it's like who wants to live in a popsicle house the whole time? Here comes the big bad wolf.

SPEAKER_02 18:43

Yeah, right. And you're still active too, right? So you're you're not retired.

SPEAKER_04 18:47

I'm not officially retired.

SPEAKER_02 18:49

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 18:49

Correct. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:50

So we f are we are you gonna fight again in 2026 then?

SPEAKER_04 18:53

Is that I don't know. You know, I think it'd have to be a really special opportunity, probably, for me to fight, but you know, there are special opportunities all the time. So we'll see. But I've been slowing down for sure, and that's by design.

SPEAKER_00 19:05

Okay.

Choosing Kids Over Constant Camps

Female Hormones And Training Smarter

SPEAKER_04 19:06

I love being with my kids, I love being a mom, and I will never put my career in front of my children again, which I I did in pieces. I think I had balance between it all. But when I'm in a training camp, it's really difficult to do both. You know, people talk about that all the time. I want to do both. Or you hear women like, I can do it all. I'm like, well, sure, we can, but we pay a price. Let's be real about this. This is not a fantasy world. We want to pretend and we want to, you know, you know, uplift women and be like, this is so, you know, she can do it all. I'm like, I don't want to do it all. No, I want to do the things I want to do really well, and I want to love that. Yeah, I don't want to do it all because there's a reason I think that 80% of all autoimmune diseases exist in women. You know that 80%. Because women go against our biology all the time and we're hormonally very different than men. You guys are on a 24-hour hormone cycle and you get testosterone every 15 minutes. Granted, you're otherwise health.

SPEAKER_02 20:09

Kelly might have mentioned it. We had Kelly Fatito on and Bob Homero. I think she actually might have mentioned that.

SPEAKER_04 20:13

Women are on a 28-day cycle, and so we just have all these different phases. We have massive fluctuations in our hormones. I'm sure you all have probably experienced that if you've been around women, right? But if we're not heard, seen, or validated during those difficult times or understood, it can get so much more complicated because we're not actually solving, we're not addressing the root need, which sometimes is less. Women in that second half of the cycle, the luteal phase. I'm telling you, molehills just feel like mountains. It's very easy to become overwhelmed. It's very easy. That's not the time you want to go to your girlfriend or wife and be like, hey, there's this really big issue that I want to come and talk to you about, or you know, in our relationship. Like, that's not the time. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 20:52

I needed a clock to know this time. Yeah, you must have talked about why before this, but she must have told you to say that.

SPEAKER_04 21:00

There's a review out of that. No, that's real. That's no, but that's real information. And when guys know that, it and when women know that, which is this is what's so surprising, is most women don't know this. And me prof as a professional athlete, my body has been my business my entire life. Very good point. I haven't learned this until the last few years. This has not been talked about. This has never been discussed. My hormones, I've trained according to male model my entire life. And I hurt myself. I hurt myself real bad, cutting weight, and I messed my hormones up. I just did a real number on myself. And I know a lot of other female athletes that have really hurt themselves and messed up their hormones. And we just don't recover like you guys do. We don't do that because every day you guys have an opportunity to run through that cycle again. For us, if we mess our hormones up, we're we're we're messing with multiple hormones, first of all. So ask any hormone doctor and he's gonna say, Oh, guys, I'll have you right in a week. Women, it's gonna take months. We're gonna have to, we're gonna have to do a lot of figuring out. Because we are constantly changing, and that is expensive for us, metabolically expensive, but we are preparing to create life at any moment.

SPEAKER_02 22:08

That's ill. Not think about this. We're very deep with that.

SPEAKER_04 22:12

That's our like our God given gift, and it is a gift, and it's beautiful, but when it's not understood, it's hard to deal with.

SPEAKER_03 22:19

So it's like overwhelming like your life through experience and then your compounds.

SPEAKER_02 22:22

I have a way different respect for you now as a fighter to be able to go through all this shit and then be able to still perform.

SPEAKER_04 22:30

Right.

SPEAKER_02 22:30

Because that's very, very hard what you just said. Yeah. Extremely hard. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:34

You know, women get a lot of heat for missing weight. And I do understand I have a high standard as well, as far as like, you know, you you've got to be professional. But at the end of the day, the truth is we have hormones that absolutely do not want us to shed water weight. Progesterone. It's not even to do with the period part. Like everybody's like, oh, you know, the bleed. It's not that. It's the hormones that happen before it. So you think you're good because you're like, oh yeah, you know, my cycle's in a week. Like, this is great. No. And you can't, you just don't lose the weight because your body's preparing to carry a child. Every single month we prepare to carry your child. Every month.

SPEAKER_03 23:11

That's wild. And so they don't factor this in that per my ignorance. They don't factor in as you're kind of going into the process.

SPEAKER_04 23:18

Not until very recently have I seen this information start to come out. Now, here's the really interesting part. I know we didn't plan on going this way, but most studies most studies are done on either males or if they're doing like a mice trial study. So I had this verified or actually told to me, not even verified. I had no idea about this. But when these scientists get grants to do studies on mice, okay, they are told by the government who's giving them this money, that you have to study female mice too. And they say, well, female mice are different than male mice. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 23:57

Is that the whole purpose?

SPEAKER_04 23:58

Women, that's the whole thing. Women are not small men, okay? Female mice are not small male mice. We are in a totally different cycle. So they will sterilize the female mice in order to get more accurate data. Because if the depending on where the map the female mouse is in her estrocycle, it will totally mess up the data for everyone. Male and female mouse.

SPEAKER_03 24:19

They should run two different tests, no? Thank you.

SPEAKER_04 24:21

It costs twice the money.

SPEAKER_03 24:22

Uh they won't give them twice the money. Because government is in control of all this, right?

SPEAKER_04 24:26

Well, money. I mean, like wherever the grants are coming from quote me on that, I'm pretty sure it's government fund funding, but they won't give them twice the money. So they do the best that they can, but it's not fair, accurate to say that the studies that are coming out that include, you know, female mice or you know, our okay. When progesterone is high for us, even our all of our like digestion slows down. Same thing you're preparing for the hypothetically, an ibuprofen that's studied for you and and a male body doesn't take progesterone into consideration at all, which is our biggest flexing hormone, more than estrogen. You don't hear progesterone talked about for women here, but estrogen, I don't really hear progesterone.

SPEAKER_03 25:07

This is the first time I ever heard that term, to be honest.

SPEAKER_04 25:08

So the estrogen, we in a beginning, we get about a 900% increase. To progesterone, it's like a 2400% increase. So it's way more than estrogen. And we have all these physical changes, emotional changes, preparation. Our metabolism goes up. We burn one to 300 more calories in the second two weeks of our cycle. Okay, so imagine being a female athlete and trying to stick to a male model diet. It messed me up. I'm telling you, it crashed my hormones. It, I mean, it really hurt me. I'll talk like more in depth at another time. You guys like how bad, but I'm telling you, it really hurt me. And I I I paid a very heavy price to do that as a female. So I think it is something that we should talk about more often, how how we change.

SPEAKER_02 25:52

A lot of ladies and what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_04 25:53

But like I'm but like medication for you guys, that's basically assumed safe for male and female, but it's not studied when we have hypogesterone. We're totally different in our digestive system. So even the medications could could be entirely different. Dosages might need to be different. Those are things that are not taken into consideration because it's just complicated, but it's it is worth studying because when you have complicated in a marriage, it's not good.

SPEAKER_00 26:18

Yeah, right?

SPEAKER_04 26:18

When you have complicated with your kids or your daughter, you don't understand. Fathers need to know this, right?

SPEAKER_03 26:24

I have three girls. This is making me I'm learning stuff like paying attention, like super crazy.

SPEAKER_04 26:30

Like, I think this is information that's helpful to really be able to help the women around us, not just women helping women, but I think y'all would like to if you knew there's a science to everything.

SPEAKER_03 26:41

But I want to be nice to you, I don't want to make you mad at me all the time.

SPEAKER_04 26:43

Like you're trying, and you're just like, I don't understand why this was okay last week. This week it doesn't work.

SPEAKER_03 26:49

That's my house.

SPEAKER_04 26:50

You know, she's in a different place. And then then when that can be communicated, it's so beautiful. I'll tell you what, I honestly think it's like like just totally turned my relationship around. You know, I love my fiance to death, but there were times when we both didn't understand this and it was way harder. And now we get it, and I'm able to just tell him, like, hey, hypergesterone week. I'm just really feeling like this right now. I think I need just a little more support. Can I delegate? Can I lean on you? And he's like, kind of like, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:19

Is there a way to test this? Like, how do I know? You can save a lot of money. How do you know when this week is?

SPEAKER_04 27:24

And he loves to be there. Oh, well, we communicate it very openly. I'll share an app with him. Yeah, I need to go because it's like I said, it's not, it's not actually the period. Have you guys ever experienced like a fight with your significant other or whatever? I know I'll I'll use myself, but I'll I'm curious if you guys have experienced this. Okay. Before I knew this, before I managed it, before we communicated it, I would feel suffocated. I would feel like I was just just this immense amount of misunderstanding and like nobody was getting me in that moment. And so I would blow up. Okay. Because the things that were again working for him, and he was able to delegate to me and put on my plate. I I was great in ovulation phase. Bring it on. I got it. Like I got the kids, balanced, and then we got a whole huge shift, and all of a sudden, he doesn't know better. I don't know better. Now we're in a really dark place all of a sudden, and I'm pissed, and he's pissed, and we're like, we're getting divorced. You know, it's just like in every month, you know, we're practically getting divorced.

SPEAKER_02 28:23

And then I'd be like, How fucking real the shoots are 22 years. We'll be 22 years in May. I have never heard this before in my life.

SPEAKER_04 28:31

No, this is so real. And then I'll be like, two days later, like we'd be like in the worst place. And two days later, I'd be like, Oh, sorry.

SPEAKER_03 28:37

Like, I'm sorry, I don't know what happened.

SPEAKER_04 28:39

Oh, I'd be like, I started my period. I'm like, sorry, that was that was hormones. And and I and women know that because we know that it happens, but we don't, we I don't think women have understand how to prepare for it or how to prepare our partners for it. This is not talked about. Women are oftentimes taught, like I was as an athlete, we try to operate as men in a man's world, but we're way better off operating as women, you know.

SPEAKER_02 29:04

The way that you're built.

SPEAKER_04 29:05

The way that we're built so that we can we can work with it. And then it can be a superpower. I'll tell you what, my bet the best fight that I ever had in my life, I was actually able to time it intentionally for ovulation.

SPEAKER_02 29:18

Who would you fight?

SPEAKER_04 29:19

Julia Avila, December 2023. And I dominated that fight. I synergistically, there was a lot of things going on. It wasn't just that, but I had testosterone available. What a nice hormone when you're fighting.

SPEAKER_02 29:32

Um you have all the athletes try to figure out what everybody's saying.

SPEAKER_04 29:38

Everybody, you know, I that's ill, man.

SPEAKER_03 29:40

That's super ill. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 29:42

So it's it's helpful.

SPEAKER_03 29:43

That's super interesting. So it's just so wild that you could have like going through that because you do your weight in two weeks before you're gaining all the weight, two weeks afterwards, you're losing it all. So if you like kind of it's weird, but you have to go on their timing, so you don't know how to prepare for it.

SPEAKER_04 29:57

You don't know. And there's been times, as I mentioned, when I was like, I really hurt myself where I I crushed my my basically, I didn't have enough calories to support my hormones. So my endocrine system shut down. And when that happens, you experience amenorrhea, which means you lose your cycle because your body's like, we are so deprived and you're pushing us so hard that we couldn't support life outside of you. We barely can manage you. So you shut that down. That's a disaster when that happens to women. It took me a full year to recover or more, both times.

SPEAKER_03 30:27

And that's crazy because you're such peak performance, like physical shape. Elite, elite performance. And you're basically regularly working out.

SPEAKER_04 30:36

This is elite performance.

SPEAKER_03 30:37

Hold on, this is two, three months. But your body's telling we can't support you, but you're like in here prime.

SPEAKER_04 30:42

Yeah, like you're the gotta go out there and still try to perform, you know, and that's kind of that's what happened. Actually, that's funny. Both fights, when that happened, I lost. And I won't say that that's like I know every woman is doing pushing her body to the limit. So this is not like an excuse. I know all the women are, but yeah, both times when I experienced an amenorrhea, like I was supposed to have my cycle and it didn't happen, and everything just kind of went haywire. I lost both of those fights. And, you know, it's just rough. Being a female has like a whole different aspect, but these are things I just didn't know and I didn't prepare for. And when I went down a weight class when I went to 125, oh, that was a real nightmare. I really hurt myself.

SPEAKER_02 31:23

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 31:24

And then that fight that I had the fight with the ovulation time, it was so dominant. I tore two ligaments in my knee. I was so aggressive. And I was on her back, and I like went to rip her down under her stomach, and I tore two ligaments in my own knee. And then I had surgery and I was out for over a year, and I tried to come back and I had more weight to lose. So I just from being off, you know, being basically off the mats for like a year. Yeah. And then so it kind of I kind of did it to myself again, even knowing I knew that time what I was doing, but I didn't think that it was gonna happen. But then it started happening, and I was like, Well, I'm I'm I'm three weeks out. I'm two weeks, like well, what other choice do I have? Like I'm already, I'm too far in it. I gotta go, I gotta show up. But but I knew what was happening, so I really tried to frame my mindset around, you know what, I just gotta go out there and I gotta put my foot on the gas pedal and I gotta try to perform anyways, in spite of. And so I did, and it was a good fight. I think a lot of people were like, they loved the fight. It just didn't quite come out with the win, but at least I was able to navigate it in a more healthy way, given the circumstances were much less than ideal.

SPEAKER_03 32:29

Well, no, I'll think a lot of us are pocky, but I know we appreciate all the women around here doing all this stuff. It's a lucky daff again. Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:36

Thanks, guys.

SPEAKER_02 32:37

I'm gonna be honest, this was a way different interview. Yeah, this is a great thing I'm I'm gonna be straight up though. I learned so much from what you're breaking down. And I and honestly, for you to be so transparent, that's hard for a lot of people to be able to do. And I I applaud you on that. Is this what you talk about on your podcast, Binders? I like to talk about this stuff. This is ill. That's fair because you can really help a lot of people.

SPEAKER_04 32:58

Yeah, and you know, as a female athlete, I was really looking at the best ways that I can give back as someone who's coming to the very, very end of my athletic career. And I thought, it's gotta be this because how did I not know this my whole life? And there are a lot of women out there who are just, you know, they're they may not be elite athletes, but they still deserve to know this. And the men in their lives still deserve to know this.

SPEAKER_03 33:20

Yeah. I think you're in a new environment where you can kind of bridge the gap between both.

SPEAKER_04 33:23

Like, yeah, that's what I'm doing. I'm like transitioning that space to really giving women permission to listen to their body and train according to your body, because when we don't, we get sick. That's why I still believe why 80% of autoimmune diseases belong in women because we hurt ourselves when we don't do these things. When we don't, we don't give ourselves permission. Now, I'm not saying show up and tell let a calendar tell you how you're supposed to feel. That's not what I'm talking about. Talk about allow yourself to listen to your body.

SPEAKER_00 33:51

That's very important.

SPEAKER_04 33:52

Do what you really feel like is okay for you. And every woman's gonna be a little bit different. But generally speaking, it's okay if you feel like that in your ludio phase, perfectly normal. You don't have to show up like you did the first two weeks. You don't have to work out like you did in the first two weeks. You can still show up and give a workout, maybe it's a six out of ten. And last week it was a ten out of ten, and that's okay. That's all right, it's the consistency and it's like the listening to yourself. Like that's what matters.

Rivalries Marketing And UFC Personas

SPEAKER_02 34:18

Yeah. I'm curious. Who was your toughest fight in your whole career?

SPEAKER_04 34:22

Oh, definitely my toughest fight was Rhonda. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:25

I was watching last night. Yeah, I was just seeing it. Yeah. Yeah. That was a tough why?

SPEAKER_04 34:30

I think because it challenged me in every single way. You know, fighting is an intense sport in itself, but when you really are going up against an adversary that you just don't want to lose to for personal reasons, you just this person has tried to cut you down. Like just her.

SPEAKER_02 34:49

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 34:51

And she's just so talented. She's just so she was so far beyond her years being an Olympic uh bronze medal.

SPEAKER_02 34:58

Wrestler, whatever. Yeah. She was a little bit wrestling. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 35:01

She was a bronze medalist. Yep. And no, she was a judoka.

SPEAKER_02 35:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 35:05

Yeah. Which was even a little bit harder for me because I came from a wrestling background, nowhere near a elite, like, you know, an Olympian. I would never take up. But I did fight a silver medalist in the Olympics who who won a silver medal, who's a wrestler, and I beat her. But that style's more familiar to me. So I can kind of know what to do. But like a judoka with the foot sweeps and the tosses is totally unfamiliar. And at that time, for me to try to find somebody who was that type of work, yeah. It was hard. There's like no partners. You fought her twice? I fought her twice.

SPEAKER_02 35:35

I didn't even heard of Judoka. Judoka. Yeah, that's the day Ron is so special.

SPEAKER_04 35:41

And she's at such a high level, and she was the only one of her time doing MMA at that time.

SPEAKER_02 35:45

That was in a she took her in deep waters on like your first yeah.

SPEAKER_04 35:48

No, I tried. It definitely took her further than anyone else had taken her, which I guess is a feather on my cap. I still didn't win. I was like, oh, I still hate losing, but but it's okay because I'm still me at the end of the day.

SPEAKER_03 35:59

It's like a camaraderie amongst like UFC fighters. Like do you have like a little, I don't know what they call them, like a like a Discord channel that you guys all just talk and hang out? Or is that like the oh no.

SPEAKER_04 36:10

No, but most of the athletes are pretty cool and friendly. But there's some characters out there. And I think after Rhonda came through and and Connor kind of around that same time, a lot of the athletes started to think, huh. You mean if I'm a squeaky wheel, I get more oil. If I, you know, I get fed if I make a lot of noise. And so you see a lot more effort being put into creating these characters sometimes. And some come across as very genuinely that way.

SPEAKER_00 36:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 36:37

And others, it's like, okay, you're trying too hard. This is kind of annoying. But it's marketing. It's marketing after that. I mean, either way, I think it's still getting them more bones than they would get if they were just quiet and nice.

SPEAKER_03 36:48

That's where you get to see people in different environments. Have you seen not names specifically? But people you're like talking to, like, this oh, like the nicest person. Next thing you know, you see them on TV and they're just being belligerently crazy.

SPEAKER_04 36:56

Chail Sunnan. He's the nicest human being ever. But you hear him talk, and I'm just like, oh no, like you put a microphone, I was like, Oh, even his pitch and tone. I'm like, Cap it, mark it.

SPEAKER_03 37:07

He's a whole different person, you know. But it's his it's his shtick, you know.

SPEAKER_04 37:12

And but it's cool. I mean, I I respect it because everybody's got to have their way of being unique.

SPEAKER_00 37:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 37:17

For me, it was just different, but I also think just being a feminine female at the time was enough, fortunately, for me. Where these guys, I don't want to say they're a dime a dozen, but they're kind of a dime a dozen. I mean, there's just like so many guys fighting, and they have to find really creative ways to stand out and be unique, not just good, but unique.

SPEAKER_02 37:36

Yeah, I think that's what Connor does so well, man. Yeah, so for who so who's on your mouth rushmore as as fighters?

SPEAKER_04 37:44

Oh, this is always a tough one for me because I'm like, there's so many things to consider. But I would definitely say Mighty Mouse would be BJ, meet Juk Johnson. Yeah, he was a beast. Yeah, yeah. So good. You guys remember that fly, that arm bar he did. Okay, so he had the guy's back. He like body locked him. I forget who was fighting, but he like lifted him like he was gonna dump him. So he lifted, turned to the side, and then he jumped up in the air and met the guy as he was falling to the mat in an arm bar.

SPEAKER_01 38:15

I was like, That's why mighty mouse for real. Yeah, real. There's like a superhuman move.

SPEAKER_04 38:19

Yeah, unreal. And then I would probably do I probably do Valentina Shevshenko just because she, for if you really look at her skill set, I wouldn't say she's like, you know, the most again, she's so sweet that she doesn't get a lot of the other media coverage of like when you're you know you're sassy or mouthy, she's very respectful, she's a great champion. And I think for me, I value that. When it comes to Mount Rushmore, you also it's there's a lot of she's objective, you know, like what makes somebody great. I think someone who can carry themselves with poise and grace in sportsmanship and also be the baddest woman on the planet for years, yeah, and do all the things and win all the belts that she's done. And not it's not like she's just good in like one area, her discipline, but she's so great at her so she's so sound, so technically sound. So for me, someone technically sound, I I appreciate that. That's why I would move to GSP as another one on my Mount Rushmore.

SPEAKER_02 39:23

GSP was special, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 39:25

Special, just so technically sound. And I he didn't come from a wrestling background. That's another thing that was phenomenal.

SPEAKER_02 39:31

Let's say he's like super down to earth, too, man.

SPEAKER_04 39:33

He's really cool.

SPEAKER_02 39:34

Yeah, that's what I heard. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 39:36

He was really cool.

SPEAKER_02 39:36

Who's your who's your fourth then? If you had GSP.

SPEAKER_04 39:39

Oh, this is where it really is. I would say if I had to pick my fourth maybe Amanda Nunes. She, I mean, there's nothing to take away from that woman. She's phenomenal. Like she's just done so many great things. And I think one of her biggest moments to I mean, okay, not only did she beat me, she was who I tried to defend my belt on, and then she really went on this terror for a while, but she took out Rhonda easily. I mean I know that I know that Rhonda lost her fight before that to Holly, right? And then I beat Holly for the royal tighter, right? But Holly had a you know, it it took her a little while, and that's she beat she beat Rhonda pretty sound too. But Rhonda was fighting a southpaw, and it just looked like she'd never seen a southpaw before in her life. And so I think stylistically it just it was presented challenges and you know, whatever that Rhonda hadn't seen. But Amanda being, you know, the orthodox striker that she was, I was like, you know, she might have some more some more trouble, and Rhonda's gonna be top of her game, motivated, you know, see if she'll come back from a knockout. I expect her to be, you know, the best, but no, it was short work and it was all with the fists. That's what's so crazy, is that Holly was hitting Rhonda, but it was a kick that spirit kicked her, yeah. Amanda, I mean, there are not that many women who who have the power and wingspan that Amanda has. It's it's it's out of this world.

SPEAKER_02 41:12

She's just so I know I would have never been to break it down the way she just broke.

SPEAKER_04 41:17

And then she beat Cyborg, or she beat Cyborg before.

SPEAKER_02 41:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 41:20

I mean, come on.

SPEAKER_02 41:21

That woman is like I'm seeing Cyborg's documentary.

SPEAKER_04 41:24

She like chewing women up at CML. Not even competitive.

SPEAKER_02 41:27

Talk about what she did to her body, the holy thing she did to her body is unreal. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 41:31

Yeah. So she she knocked her out too with her fists. I'm like, that's special. You don't see a lot of that having that kind of power to KO someone with a punch. It's it's coming there, I think. The more that women do this longer, but I mean, physically, that is more challenging to do, and she's got it. Like it was impressive.

SPEAKER_02 41:49

And you getting in the ring with these people. It was just crazy. Yeah, yeah. You know, play dope. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 41:55

I no hesitation in that because I always again want to be able to, if the house burns down, I know I can build it back. Love that.

SPEAKER_00 42:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 42:02

Not I'm no longer I don't fear losses at all anymore. The loss in life, loss in anything, because I know that I can get through it. It's not that I enjoy it, it's not that I find it fun. It's not that I'm like out there, you know, willing on the the the hits in life, but I am not afraid of them, so I don't avoid anything. I if I want to go for something, I will go for it and that's it. Like there will be nothing that will intimidate me out of it. If I'm jumping out of an airplane and, you know, parachute, I'm I'm going. That's that's it. That's final. Like we're gonna do it. And it might be scary and whatever, but I will do it. So I don't have the that avoidance strategy or avoidance mindset. I'm like an all-in mindset, and I'm like, I always believe in jumping before you know the net's there. Always. You gotta jump before you know the net is there because most of the time it's gonna be there if you go for it or you'll find a way through it. You build it on the way down.

SPEAKER_02 42:53

That's happened a lot, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 42:54

Um, and sometimes it won't be, and you will have to pick yourself up.

SPEAKER_02 42:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 42:58

And that's important to know that you can do that.

SPEAKER_02 43:01

Yeah, that's why you that's why you were a champion for sure.

SPEAKER_04 43:04

Well, thank you.

Influence Without Losing Yourself

SPEAKER_02 43:04

Last couple quick questions for you. So, business and life advice, you build influence in sports, media, business while staying really true to yourself. What advice would you give entrepreneurs who want to grow their influence without losing themselves?

SPEAKER_04 43:18

I think that you have to have a good sense of who you are first. So a lot of times people are like, I I don't want to lose myself in this, or that's a question, and I love that question being asked because that should be a preliminary question. But in order to answer that question, you gotta get really curious about who are you then? Because if you don't have boundaries, then that's just it that the the the goal marker is gonna move constantly. And you may end up doing something or agreeing to something that you don't foundationally actually agree with because money presented itself or this opportunity presented itself, you know? And I've definitely made those mistakes along the way too. Like, I don't think I'd really want it. And I was like, oh, that's a really good opportunity. And I guess, you know, and then you start to justify it. And then later you're kind of like, I just kind of wish I didn't do that because it just didn't align with my brand. And I'm not, I'm not happy that I that I did that. And you learn sometimes by doing it wrong. And now it's like there's very clear boundaries for me where I'm like, it doesn't matter the amount of money. I will not sell my soul to the devil. I know what I what I will do and what I will not, because I've really discussed that with myself and with my partners and people around me. So they know I'm like, don't even ask me about that. Like that's not on the table. And if it's something you think is, like, bring it to me and I'll vet it and I'll look it up. And there's been lots of money that I have turned down that could have been totally fine. Like I it could have been, let me see, not wrong, but it wasn't right. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_02 44:53

No, it did. Crawford was just talking about that. So that went back to the cloud.

SPEAKER_04 44:56

There's a lot of sponsors, you know, that come across that's like, well, this isn't like a bad thing. And plenty of people do worse in this supplement, but it isn't the best thing. And I really want to do the best thing. And so you sol a line. Yeah. I'm not gonna do, you know, I'm just gonna bite the bullet, but and not and not take take the money, even though it's like a low-hanging fruit. Because it's like if I don't really use it, if I don't really believe in it, then who, what kind of person am I? Like where's the where's the line? If I'm out here selling that, then I'm just I'm the dirty car salesman. And that's not what I want to say to myself at the end of the day.

SPEAKER_03 45:31

That's your bullet, I think that makes sense.

SPEAKER_04 45:33

I want to know that the things that I tell other people that I believe in are the things that I live by exactly. And it's like I will give this to my children, I'll give this to my mom. You will know that this is something that like I'm legit about. Like I would I would let my friends and family take this, and or I or they do, or I recommend that they do.

SPEAKER_02 45:52

Not just sidetracking one reason. It's funny, when we first started this almost eight years ago, we were doing crazy stuff, interviewing people wow, pimps, doing all types of stuff because of the wow factor. Then we realized that that's not longevity. That's not us. But you're just trying to mean you're just trying to get out there and get it going. But we realized that we stay true to ourselves with providing good, like we're not just interviewing everybody. Right. We put out strategically interviewing folks that represent business the right way and building their brand the right way, and then we're highlighting them, right? It's been our template. But I think when you go to wild factor and you're not true to yourself, then you know it's gonna be fake and it's putting it.

SPEAKER_03 46:28

I think what is up happening is that those situations they allow the people that are the ones coming on the show or sponsoring the show, they know that you believe it, they know what you're gonna present. And I think ultimately you end up getting rewarded for that discipline and that you know integrity that you showcase by really believing what you're doing. I think that's really what works long run.

SPEAKER_04 46:45

I mean, I think so. I and I think it all depends on what you really want, you know, and that doesn't mean that you can't do it different ways or have different values. Like if that's what you want and that is true to you, yeah, then you know, then fine. And you will just see what comes from that. And if it's if you're not getting the kind of feedback or fans or loyalty or over the things that matter to you, like what it matters to you at the end of the day, like what matters to you? Do you care about the things? If you don't, then do you. But if you do care, then it's important, I think, to abide by your mirror is an important thing.

SPEAKER_02 47:20

Very important. Last two questions for you. I I love food, so we always ask everybody this question. What's your favorite restaurant in Vegas?

SPEAKER_04 47:28

There's so many.

SPEAKER_02 47:29

It really is.

SPEAKER_04 47:30

Maybe I should have prepared me for it. I'm like, okay, I'm gonna have to go down the list now. Truly, one of my favorite restaurants is catch.

SPEAKER_02 47:38

Catch always good. Yeah, all right, of course. Custom catches are always good.

SPEAKER_04 47:41

It's always good, but that's like premium good. Yeah. Uh tacos good. What's the one right here on Sunset?

SPEAKER_03 47:46

Taco's agordo. Tacos agordo. Yeah, they're very good. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 47:50

Solid. They're always the home run.

SPEAKER_03 47:51

I just rather make like five million dollars a month or something crazy that they made over there. And low overhead too, which is awesome.

SPEAKER_02 47:58

Yeah. So catch and tacos agordo. Perfect. Yeah. What else do you want to leave us out on, man? You you've touched on so many different things that I was not expecting you to talk about, which I'm gonna be honest, it was really cool. Like it really, I think it gives a different layer of of who you are, at least for our audience, as probably your audience knows, but I thought you were gonna talk for hours. For me, yeah, very for me.

Vulnerability And Leaving Toxic Bonds

SPEAKER_04 48:17

I just hope that people can see that I'm inspired to to grow and willing to be vulnerable too. I think that's another skill set and strength is to be transparent and vulnerable. Don't go through things alone. You know, I've I've learned that the hard way. I've done that many times where I was in a really toxic relationship for about nine years, a long time. And I remember I wanted to exit the relationship probably a four or five years into the relationship. And you want to and I stayed on a way longer because I allowed myself to be manipulated. I allowed myself to be isolated, I allowed myself to endure because I have a strong mindset. And so to the women out there, just because we can doesn't mean we should. And that probably applies to men too.

SPEAKER_00 49:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 49:03

But I think that m more women might find themselves in those kinds of abusive relationships or toxic relationships. And I'll be here as someone that women look to and are, you know, whoever, and says, like, oh, she's a pillar of strength. Like, you wouldn't think. And I want people to know that just because you see strength on the outside and you see my fighting and all the things, you I want you to know I was very weak on the inside for a really long time. And that's the truth. And it took a it took a lot for me to get there and hit the rock bottom because I am strong. But if I could tell my younger self something, I would say exactly that. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. And you yeah, you've you've got a you guys need to hear that.

SPEAKER_02 49:49

Yeah, everybody needs to hear that. That's yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 49:51

So save your strength through the things that fill your cup. Not don't spend it on people who are wasting your time, wasting your life, um, not treating you right, abusing you in any way, shape, or form. Because if you are someone who can endure that, that's exactly the kind of person that shouldn't have to. Because you have more to give to this world, you can take that energy and instead of investing into someone else or investing into just trying to survive through that, you can give it back to the world tenfold. And that's gonna be a way better place to be, I think, than staying in a toxic situation.

SPEAKER_02 50:25

Well, you gotta check out her podcast. Shout out to your podcast, it's built built for growth podcasts.

SPEAKER_04 50:31

Built for growth.

SPEAKER_02 50:32

Check her podcast. I wish your social handles people can check you out on, you know.

SPEAKER_04 50:35

Mostly just at Misha Tate. YouTube is at Misha Tate, UFC, Facebook is at Misha Tate, UFC, Instagram are just at Misha Tate, TikTok. I had to restart mine. I don't know what happened to it. It just disappeared. Kip world just ate it. So it's like gone. I was at TikTok. It was Misha Tate 2.0. Now it's the Misha Tate. Um it's it it will look like a fake account because it's trying to build. There's so many I'm trying to rebuild, but it's just gone. I don't know. The other one's not even there. You can't even search it. Like, ate it. That's all so weird. So we're starting over, but that's my new passion is to help women and men, because I think this is valuable too. Both of the guys are like, Why are you gonna talk about women's stuff? That's gonna exclude us. I'm like, no, actually, you should know this too.

SPEAKER_02 51:19

Not if you have a woman in your life, which everybody does. Just the one thing that you said as far as the it was ill. I and I was not thinking that. I think men need to hear that.

SPEAKER_04 51:27

Yeah, because I think you all you want to do better, and all you need is a couple tools to just know some things, and you will, because y'all are pretty cool.

SPEAKER_03 51:36

I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_02 51:36

Just anyhow to be a good rest of therapy. Yeah, that was great. She's gonna straight up therapy, our first therapy session at Vega Circle. But but uh, we appreciate you. Check us out at Vegascircle.com and really appreciate your time, and we definitely gotta have you come back on. That's fantastic, yeah. Thank you very much, Misha. All right, all right, awesome. That was freaking powerful, Misha. You came with a whole thing.