The Dream World

EP21: Lucid Dreaming for Self-Mastery & Entrepreneurship (Feat. Lana Sakwild)

May 11, 2022 Amina Season 1 Episode 19
The Dream World
EP21: Lucid Dreaming for Self-Mastery & Entrepreneurship (Feat. Lana Sakwild)
Show Notes Transcript

In this episode, I talk to Lana Sakwild, an expert lucid dreaming coach, about how to incorporate lucid dreaming into your daily routine, and how to use your lucid space for personal development. We talk about how our dreams, both lucid & non-lucid, have given us ideas and information that have completely changed our path in life.  If you’re an artist, get lucid in your dreams and try to work on some creative blockages; paint with Salvador Dali, learn new techniques and tools with no limits, and ask your dream to show you what your best selling artwork looks like!

https://www.lanasackwild.com

Lana is a lucid dream coach & scientific researcher. Her work blossomed from a thirst for exploration, knowledge, & adventure. As an inquisitive child, she first ventured into the world of lucid dreaming by playing with my nightmares, morphing the characters into cartoons & experimenting with the laws of physics. After 20+ years of experimentation with lucid dreaming & graduating with a MSc in consciousness, spirituality, and transpersonal psychology, Lana is now a successful transpersonal lucid dreaming and lucid living coach. She has dedicated her life to helping people redefine and reconnect to their purpose and awaken their unlimited potential. 

The Lucid Entrepreneur Lab utilizes scientific and transpersonal lucid dreaming and lucid living coaching that delivers results for ALL areas of your life. The Lucid Entrepreneur Lab is built on 25 years of Lucid Dreaming experience and a career path that includes working with hundreds of participants from all walks of life - musicians, artists, and WFH moms, to established business owners and lawyers - allowing them to break through even their most challenging psychological setbacks.

Questions Lana answers in this interview:

What is lucid living & why is it important to integrate it into our lucid living practice?

How can I get involved in dream work if I have never had a lucid dream? What about people who have not had any dreams at all in years?

What can we do while lucid to carry out specific dream tasks that can benefit our business, creative projects, or mental healing?
 
What is Lana's Lucid Entrepreneur Lab all about?

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Lucid dreaming has considerable potential for promoting personal growth. Self-development enhancing confidence, improving mental and physical health, facilitating creative problem-solving and helping you progress to the path to self-mastery Stephen limber. In today's episode, I talked a lot of SAC world.

She's a beautiful soul who I actually met on clubhouse during both of our lucid dreaming journeys. Londa is an expert in lucid dreaming and helping people use lucid dreaming to tap into all the infinite possibilities in terms of your career. The project or just your overall life path. Lana is a really good coach, not only for lucid dreaming, but also for itself, help and guidance.

Overall today, we have a great conversation about how she teaches people to tap into their lucid dreams. So welcome Lana Sacra, that she tells us a little bit about how she started her journey and how she started the lucid entrepreneur lab. I'm Londa stockpiled. I've been lucid dreaming since I was about four years old.

I had my first. Lisa dream. In early childhood, it came through nightmares or night terrors that I was having at that time. And then later in my adult life, I guess foster was kind of mid twenties. I'd been living in Tokyo, Japan for about five years and I was working an office job that I wasn't super passionate about.

And I really wanted to like, figure it out. What do I want to do in my life? What's been like a consistent thing in my life that I've always felt really passionate about. And for me, that was lucid dreaming had been there, you know, for through childhood, through tough times as a teenager, through dark times of depression in my life.

And then just through other things like skill enhancement. And it always came up when I was helping friends and that kind of thing. I had decided then that I really would like to investigate it more, really learn more about the potential of working with dreams. And so I, I enrolled in a master's program where I could actually research lucid dreaming for treating depression.

Trading clinical depression and worked with participants like hundreds of participants all over the world. And whilst I was doing that, people began asking me more about, you know, oh, do you, do you coach in this? Do you do this professionally? Can you help me out with my practice? And so that's what really led me to starting my own business, um, which is to get lucid with Londa.

LLC at the moment, they main course that I run is the lucid entrepreneur lab, which is a six months now coaching program on lucid dreaming and lucid living practices for entrepreneurship. I see entrepreneurship as not just career based, but kind of lucid entrepreneurship in terms of anyone who wants to bring a dream to life, whether it is.

Career business relationships, soft development, happiness, whatever it is, anything that you want to change in your life. And we use lucid dreaming and lucid living practices to help do that, um, to help manifest your bigger dreams. So I work with students inside the lab, doing that. And then I also run, you know, different masterclasses or free live trainings.

I like to have a little bit of all different things so that I can access as many people as possible and have as many people benefit from this practice as possible, whether they are really ready to, you know, deeply invest in the practice themselves, or whether they're just looking for free resources that they can try out on their own.

And, you know, I think we're on very similar missions of really seeing the potential of how this can help so many people in so many areas of their life. So I'm glad that this podcast exists and you're getting it out there and having a lot of success with it. Yeah. I appreciate that first. Let me ask you this, when you say lucid living, could you talk a little bit about like, what that means to you and like, why that's so important in what you do and how that relates to lucid dreaming?

Yes. So. There's lots of parts of it, but I guess in the most simple terms, it's really, for me, it's really about being able to integrate that gold, that wisdom, that knowledge, that conscious experience that we have in our lucid dreams back into the waking state. So, you know, it's all well and good to have lucid dreams have all these creative breakthroughs, you know, where in skill enhancement.

Self-development stuff, have all these business ideas, try out different things and have all these amazing experiences whilst you're dreaming. But then, you know, if you're waking up from that and just living a totally different life, if your lucid dreaming, avatar, It's a totally different person almost to who you are in the everyday waking state.

I think there's, you know, then your lucid dreams do remain as just lucid dreams. Whereas, um, you know, a lot of the practices that I teach inside the lab are how to take from your lucid dreaming space and really. Integrate and take action with those downloads and those insights and everything that you're doing in that consciousness of dreaming space in the waking state.

So that you're not just dreaming lucidly, but you're living lucidly as well. You're actually taking lucid action whilst you're awake. And it goes both ways as well. Right. So I think a lot of people, when they start up a lucid dreaming practice, they're all focused on. How can I get lucid whilst I'm asleep, but if you're not practicing lucidity and harnessing your awareness throughout the day, whilst you're awake, you know, it's really hard to have a lucid dream naturally or learn how to actually induce lucid dreams.

So lucid living is also about integrating daily practices whilst you're awake that are in connection to, what's going to trigger lucidity for you. Whilst you sleep. Yeah. That makes total sense. It's really all connected. Um, and having them balance is like super important, but what about the people that come to you and maybe they want to get involved in the lab, but let's say they've never had a lucid dream before.

Like, you know, those people that are just like, oh, I don't know. Like, it seems so farfetched they'd have never experienced it, but they're interested. Like how do you teach them from zero? Yeah. So that's a great question. And it's really interesting to me because. You know, when I created the lab, I thought that it would be full as lucid dreamers and that they would be the main demographic, I guess, of pupils signing up.

And I was very surprised to find a lot of people signing up a lot of entrepreneurs, a lot of people who are just creative, expansive into spirituality or other consciousness practices that just wanted to try something. For themselves, either for their own self development or entrepreneurial endeavors.

Like a lot of people who joined the lab have never had a lucid dream ever before. So I work on practice right from ground zero, so to speak. So if we're. Students who come into the lab that are people who will tell me, you know, I've just seen black for the last 10 years. Like I don't even remember the last time that I ever, we called a dream and we'll work on their improving their dream recall practices.

Um, a lot of my work is about deep personalization. So, you know, dream recall is not just wake up and hopefully write down a dream in your journal. You know, you're a dreamer, you call practices going to be really different if you're a woman in your forties and you have three kids that run into your bedroom every morning to wake you up, uh, in comparison to let's say a boy in his mid twenties who can sleep in until 1:00 PM every afternoon.

Right? So it's about collecting. What each individual is going through and the practices that are going to benefit them the most. But there's many people who joined the lab that don't have dream recall. They then join us. They got their dream recall up to, you know, six to nine dreams a night. Um, and then they can start transitioning some of those dreams into lucid dreams, Lyssa, Dreamworks.

I think a lot of it is to do with your mindset and your conscious awareness. So there are people who have signed up for the lab that have never experienced Alyssa dream before. And literally the day that they sign up, they'll have a lucid dream that night. I'm sure that you've had that experience with people who just tuned into this podcast and desperate because they're listening to us, talking about lucid dreams will then have a lucid dream experience that night.

So it really can be. Simple of a practice, but of course in the lab week or right back to foundations of building dream recall, and then looking at really understanding what's showing up in your dream space, what's naturally pulling you towards listed a T and then really personalized. It's to create unique lucid dreaming triggers.

Awesome. That's a perfect explanation. And I love how you like personalize every student's experience that you have. It really shows like how much passion you have for it and like helping people really harness disability. That's super cool. Yeah. I mean, Everyone's dreams are so vastly different, right?

Like there's, there's also that interesting thing with dreams where there's a lot of similarities, um, and common, you know, scenarios that show up like being in your high school classroom or your teeth falling out, or those kinds of common dream themes that come up for, it seems like everyone. But then there's also a particular things that show up for.

Uniquely just in certain seasons of our lives. So I think it's really important to personalize the practice and really pay attention to what's showing up for us. Whereas a lot of the generalized practice that you see online that are like, okay, Pinch your nose or push your finger through the Palm of your hand.

That kind of thing. You know, you can do that 200 times a day if you want. But if you're someone who in your dreams, you're never looking at your hand or you're never conscious of your dream body, it's going to take a really, really long time for that to ever show up for you and get you listed. Yeah, definitely.

I tell people all the time, like, we're all different, you know, you have to like really tune in and find what works for you and in our dreams and in our life too, we're all different. Like we all have different paths and careers. So once they get to that point where they're lucid, what kind of things do you help people do?

Like what types of tasks and what does the lucid dream space look like when you're helping them make certain advances in that with their career and stuff? Yeah. I mean, it varies for each person depending on what they're really trying to achieve in their career. I guess some of the easiest ones to understand that people inside the lab have had the most amazing results with, well, I guess a couple of examples would be things like people who are trying to write something, whether it's a blog post or whether it's their first best-selling book, you know, you can do something as simple as.

Triggering lucid lucidity T and holding a book in your hands and saying, show me the next chapter of my book, or show me the title of my best-selling book. Show me what to write about in this next paragraph of my book and open the book up and literally see the answers on the page in front of you. Um, this works for a lot of different things.

Like if you're an artist and you want to, um, Make an incredible painting to solve for your art exhibition. You could do something as simple as getting listed and walking into the building that your art exhibition is going to be held in and looking at all the paintings on the wall, then there, and taking inspiration from that.

Or similarly holding a canvas in your hands and your lucid dream and saying, show me. My best-selling art piece and then waking up and the Chile recreating that in the waking state. So honestly, the possibilities with what you can do career wise are just endless. They're going to look different for each person, but I guess for myself, one of the best examples.

The lab itself, you know, I had a really potent lucid dream about the lab before it was even in existence where I sat down, I was at a table full of some of my current and past students. Some people that I didn't even recognize who were telling me about how, um, particular modules really helped them or the success that they were having in their own businesses and their own career past, due to.

The lab and that triggered Lucetta too for me, because one of the students I was talking to, I knew that the thing she was saying, she got a result with was something we were still working on currently in the waking state. So for me, my list of dreams have not only helped me with my own business, but they also oftentimes give me ideas of how to help my own students.

But in that dream, I then went outside. There was standing on the beach. I could feel the wind and my hair could smell the ocean. And I was focused on what was the lab like? What did it include? What were the modules that were getting people, all these results. And I just began seeing it like downloading it.

It was almost like flashes my feet. Imagine like files downloading on to like a USB drive or something. I just started seeing it in fullness and I woke up the next day. And just started writing it all out. I turned my, my, uh, dining room at that time. And to just what looked like a crime scene with all these notes of everything that I needed to include inside the lucid entrepreneur lab, I wrote everything down and then I just started building it.

And now it exists, right? Like now there's people inside it using those same modules that came from that lucid dream to. Create their own dreams to bring their own dreams to reality. So, and it's now, you know, a six turning seven figure business for myself. And it came from a single lucid dream that I had.

Well, that's super, super cool, super inspiring. And it's really like a life hack. Like you took it and put the work in. So I feel like that's the important part. Like you immediately started writing it out. Okay. Pitt giving attention to that. Yeah. That's a huge part of it as well, because, and I'm sure you've had this experience, I mean, or where, like you don't wake up from a powerful lucid dream where you're having these breakthrough ideas and wake up being like, oh, maybe I'll think about that some other time.

That's not possible. You know, you wake up with a breakthrough idea and you're so energized and you can't wait to, to bring it to life. Like once you've tasted it and really consciously experienced inside your lucid dream, how life-changing it can be, especially if it's not just for yourself, especially if it's something that can help other people as well.

Like you, you can't just sit on it. You can't just experience your. Art exhibition in fullness and everyone loving it and being amazing and think like, oh, well maybe I'll just wait until another time. You know, you're, you're going to be like racing to, to bring it to life and feel super motivated. You have that clarity, you have that lucid a T in the vision.

So I think it is kind of like a life hack, right? Like. My students say that they get these ideas for their career or for breakthroughs in their own self development. And they're like, isn't this cheating? Isn't it like it, you know? Cause it almost feels like it is, but it's not. It's your own ideas, which is awesome.

Yeah. That's true. It's like you're helping yourself really by tapping into this dream world, which is like, Really our birthright. Like we have it for a reason were like asleep for like a third of our lives. So I feel like part of what we're supposed to do here is I pay attention to that whole other side of us.

Yeah. And it's amazing how you can kind of tune into, I think the collective consciousness and that space. And I have sometimes even had lucid dreams where, or non lucid dreams, even where someone else has had this really amazing idea. And I'm like, oh wow. That's so cool. Like I wish I thought of that. And then you wake up and you're like, oh, awesome.

Like I did think of that. That was my dream and not that's now my idea. Yeah. So I think it's great in that way as well. Yeah. I love that too, because really anything that comes from our dreams is like ours to use. And I think it's cool. I actually had a similar dream two years with my podcast. I started it.

Wow. It's been two years now. I think almost two. But I started in November, 2020, and my friend Martin, who I met, he was my first ever podcast guest and we're friends. He does clubhouse with me now, but he had told me when I first started, I was like, Hey guys, I'm thinking I'm doing a podcast. Like, do you want to help?

He had a dream of the podcast having all these episodes and stuff. And he was like, Hey, I had a premonition and he's super in tune with his premonitions. And he was like, no many episodes, like, keep it up. And then recently. A similar dream. Like now that I have like a year of episodes worth and I had a super lucid dream where like I was going around doing all this cool, inspiring stuff in the dream, I was like asking these dream characters.

I think they were like, my spirit guides, you know, how's my podcasts. Like, am I doing it right? Am I on the right track or whatever? And they were playing me like future episodes of mind. I don't know how long from now, because I had a whole different intro and a new music and all this stuff. It was different, but it was me hearing myself, having these conversations with people and they had like so many views and stuff.

So I was like, wow, cool. And then his email was like, I don't want to hear myself talk that's enough. I love that. Yeah. I think it's, you know, it's super inspiring for ourselves. Um, that, it's exactly why I'm saying you, you don't wake up from a dream like that and just be like, oh, Yeah. You know, you're going to wake up and be like, awesome.

I am, I can't wait to see my podcast grow like that in waking life. And it just gives you that extra boost of motivation and really seeing the potential. I think lucid dreams are really great for kind of what people call quantum leaping, where if you're in a place in your life where for whatever reason you feel like a goal of yours is really far away, it's a really amazing thing to be able to kind of.

Taste it a little bit in the lucid dream and keep that drive and that motivation for yourself to get to that point and see it manifest. Yeah, definitely so much power in that. Whether you're trying to like resolve your life or start something new, like whatever the hurdle is, I feel like there's something within the lucid dream space for that.

So for you and what you're doing. What is next. Like, I know you're doing some retreats and some stuff, but like what other dreams do you have for like, where you want to take this? So the lab at the moment is a six month program and the way that I have it, as you go through a cycle and then. Welcome to do it, you know, as many times as you want.

And that's been amazing because we have been able to create this community kind of like a family of lucid entrepreneurs who can keep using this work in all seasons of their life. Because, you know, as you're sharing, even in this question, like, Goals, but we don't then hit those goals and be like, okay, cool.

Life complete. You know, you come up with bigger dreams and bigger ambitions. So, uh, alongside retreats and some other master classes and stuff like that, I'm currently building out the lab even more so that it will become a full. Year round course where there's not just six months worth of modules, but taking from the last two years, building it into, um, a full year of modules so that if you really want to give yourself a year to dedicate to this practice, although I think you do that, you know, it becomes a lifetime practice that this will be a place where you can do that and really say, you know, I'm going to give the next year of my life towards lucid dreaming.

Lucid living, being my best off, hitting that next level version of who I desire to become and have something that helps you walk through that in fullness and not just on your own, but within a community as well. Love. And I'm excited to see that growth. I feel like I seen it happen and I just know that you're on the right path, but I'm excited.

So now, and I know that. Lucid dreaming experts. We still have ups and downs and have droughts of dreams or whatever, but how often do you actually have lucid dream? I'm at the point now where I am very intimate with my practice. And so I can induce Elyssa Dre on command. Like I can't go and take a 20 minute nap, have a lucid dream.

Um, I can listen to Jerry Mabry single night sometimes. I guess the most that I get to is around six lucid dreams in a row is usually. Where I got to before I'm like super awake, just like energize to the point where I can't sleep anymore, but I still really value my non lucid dreams as well. I think tapping into that subconscious or even unconscious dream content.

Yeah. Really really important. So usually what I'll do is I'll dedicate some nights of the week to lucid dreaming and have usually three to six lucid dreams on that night. And then other nights of the week, I won't try to induce a lucid dream. Sometimes it will happen spontaneously. Obviously when you get deep into the practice that does happen, but then on those nights, you know, even if I'm.

Spontaneously inducing Alyssa dream. I work on just, you know, deep observation and not really altering the dream narrative, but just being a conscious observer. But yeah, I try and switch it off on different nights. So some of them will be specifically for lucid dreaming and particular tasks that I'm working on.

Um, and some of the nights during my week will be on just being open to. Whatever is supposed to come up for me that night. Yeah, I like that because yeah, like you said, on our regular dreams are just as important and have a lot to teach us. And sometimes when we just take it in, instead of trying to create something, you know, we can receive instead of going to do things and that can be Joseph's.

I wanted to give you a chance to just talk about any thing that is calling to you, maybe like dream advice or, um, anything that you feel like is a message that has been sticking out to you lately. Yeah. Um, so we did a group session this morning and I think a big topic that came up and one that I'm currently working on for my own like mini YouTube series at the moment is about.

Finding focused in lucid dreams and loosening into lucidity. I think a lot of beginners end up kind of grasping or feeling a lot of desperation in the practice. Like, oh my God, I need to do all of these things throughout the day to have a lucid dream. They put a lot of pressure on themselves. Like the conditions have to be perfect.

I've got to stop all these alarms on my phone. I got a reality check. All throughout the day, I got a set up my dream journal. I have to go to sleep undisturbed and then, you know, wake up at like three in the morning. And do you wake back to bed or that kind of thing. And they create this really intense practice for themselves.

That's not only like makes it even more frustrating if they don't have a list of dream after all that. I don't think it brings fun into the practice. And if it's not fun, it's not going to be consistent. So it's something that I really encourage is using a lucid language for yourself and really just sinking into believing that it gets to be easy, that it doesn't have to be super complicated.

That, like I was saying, it can be as simple as being like, I'm going to go take a 20 minute nap right now. And have a really powerful potent lucid dream. And if you really believe you can do that, you'll do it and surprise yourself with it. Like it's absolutely possible justice. Like if you have, you know, a flight to catch really early morning flight to catch or an interview or something like that, and you go to sleep.

Usually the next day, you wake up like five minutes before your alarm, cause it's really conscious in your mind, that kind of thing. So I think my advice for people would be inject fun into the practice. Really enjoy the practice. Don't put so much pressure or. Desperation into it and just believe that this is something readily accessible for you anytime, anywhere when conditions.

Aren't perfect. That's the amazing thing about lucid. Dreamwork is it's a free practice for everyone. Dreams are our birthright, like you were saying Amina and anyone can do it doesn't mean you don't have to be like a lucid dreamer. That's had 10 years of practice have this profound dream. Lucid dream that changes the whole trajectory of your life.

You can literally do that tonight if you want to. So I think that would be my last thing that I would want people to take away.

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