The Dream World

EP52: Only The Dreamer Knows

December 19, 2023 Amina Feat. Dreamwalker (Tenesha) Season 2 Episode 19
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EP52: Only The Dreamer Knows
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LDE Magazine Amina's Dream Speak Interview

In this episode, I am chatting with Dreamwalker (Tenesha) about dreams. We delve into the fascinating realm of dreams and unlock the hidden meanings that lie within them. She tells me about some of her prophetic dreams and recurring dream themes that have guided her in life.  Her channel is a platform for genuine and meaningful dialogues. At the heart of it all, authenticity is paramount. Genuine connections and real, unfiltered conversations can be both enlightening and entertaining.

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00:00:00:16 - 00:00:17:10
Dreamwalker
All right. If you want to start, please, by giving yourself a selfie, introducing yourself, I guess I would say self introduction and just tell me a little bit about what you do, why you're interested in dreams, the path that led you there, etc., etc..

00:00:17:12 - 00:00:40:06
Amina
Yeah, for sure. Well, my name is Amina and I've been always interested in dreams, like since I was a child. Really. I've always had really vivid dreams. I always thought they were cool and I was a lucid dreamer when I was really young too. But I didn't really know, like, how deep it really was. I just thought like, Oh, I would realize that I'm dreaming, and then I would just wake up.

00:00:40:08 - 00:01:05:08
Amina
But then like, I started studying like psychology, and I got really into like the mind and consciousness and that kind of stuff. And then during COVID, I started a podcast called The Dream World Podcast because I started to get really interested in like researching dreams and talking about it and like inducing my own lucid dreams and like building my own practice.

00:01:05:10 - 00:01:15:05
Amina
And I found like a community of people that are also into dream work. So I just kind of like really got into it there. And now I just love talking about dreams all over the internet, so.

00:01:15:07 - 00:01:42:13
Dreamwalker
Oh, and I saw all your videos too. I love the fact that you still keep it cohesively about dreams. It's so hard for me to do, you know, just one subject. Because when you think about dream work or just dreams in general, it kind of like leads you to different facets of spirituality. You know, when you start talking about premonition dreams, next thing you know, you're talking about all the different Claire's and psychic abilities, and then that's leading you to somewhere else.

00:01:42:15 - 00:02:03:23
Dreamwalker
So I love the fact that you're providing that information because that's actually how I found your page was, you know, looking into dream work and stuff like that. So. So tell me about a personal experience of yours that really kind of and this is with dreams, obviously, that really kind of like sparked something in you. Tell me about one of the dreams that you've had that was just like, Holy crap, I need to look into this.

00:02:04:00 - 00:02:32:04
Amina
Yeah, I've had so many, like really awesome ones. Like some of my favorite ones were like, some really vivid, lucid dreams that I had. Those are like some of my favorite where I'm just like going around talking to dream characters and it feels like I know them from like other lifetimes or something. Because even though I don't like, recognize them, I like feel like they're my friends and they're telling me things and they were just telling me about like my life and about, like the purpose of life on Earth and all these, like, cool things.

00:02:32:04 - 00:02:48:17
Amina
And they got into all this like other like spiritual stuff, of course, But like, it just gave me so much, like, cool information. Like, it felt like they were just giving me all the, like, secrets of the universe. Like, I couldn't even remember everything that they were telling me. And they were like, explaining to me how dreams work and like, just giving me all this, like, cool information.

00:02:48:19 - 00:03:05:11
Amina
And so it just was really cool. And they even showed me like some of my future podcast episodes and they gave me like some motivation. So it just like kind of kickstarted a lot of things for me. Like, Wow, there's so much I can do here in this dream space. And like, it was just like a really good, like, really, like touching dream for me.

00:03:05:13 - 00:03:08:23
Dreamwalker
Absolutely. Yeah. How old were you about how old were you when that happened?

00:03:09:00 - 00:03:12:02
Amina
It was only a couple of years ago. That was years ago. Yeah.

00:03:12:08 - 00:03:15:17
Dreamwalker
Interesting. Okay. Do you mind if I ask how old you are now, by the way?

00:03:15:20 - 00:03:16:17
Amina
I'm 28.

00:03:16:23 - 00:03:21:15
Dreamwalker
28. Okay. You look so young. That's awesome. I know you get that a lot.

00:03:21:15 - 00:03:22:24
Amina
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:03:23:01 - 00:03:56:11
Dreamwalker
Okay. So how? You know, one of the things I love about lucid dreaming is because it kind of makes you feel like you're in this open world. Like a video game where you. You go in there and it's like literally, you could do anything you want. It's unless you have endless capabilities. So what I kind of like I'm annoyed with myself when I'm working on this because whenever I lose a dream, I still keep myself in this box and I forget that, hey, if I don't want to get on this boat with this torrential downpour and like crazy waters and stuff, you know, I don't have to.

00:03:56:13 - 00:04:26:01
Dreamwalker
But then I still find myself doing sort of sticking with this sort of already created pattern that I have. And the dream. So speaking of patterns and dreams, do you believe that sometimes our subconscious or maybe spirit guides, whatever you want to call it, will be leading us toward a direction? And even though we have control over our dreams, ultimately they're trying to kind of provide us with this message that if we were awake, we were normally we would normally ignore.

00:04:26:02 - 00:04:44:04
Amina
Yeah, I definitely believe that, honestly. And I think for that reason, like we can't always control the dream. Like you were saying, even if you're lucid, that doesn't mean that you can control it. It just means that you know that it's a dream. And sometimes I just kind of go along with the dream and you get a lot more messages when you just take the dream for what it is.

00:04:44:04 - 00:04:48:16
Amina
Rather than trying to take your own dream narrative.

00:04:48:18 - 00:05:15:13
Dreamwalker
Exactly. Take it for what it is. I love that that's the truth, really, because it is just messages you know, And I wouldn't say just messages because it's kind of minimized minimizing it, but it's just so much more than that. It's basically our subconscious. And this is my personal opinion, by the way. And so it's our subconscious providing us with messages that we would normally ignore, you know, because you're asleep and we're no longer focused on our, I would say, biological body.

00:05:15:15 - 00:05:45:10
Dreamwalker
We're now on our astral form. So we're kind of open more for that or open to get the message. So I'm actually really interesting. I'm reading this book called The End of Trauma by George Bonanno, and we're kind of like shifting toward a different, different thing here. So in this book, he mentions that a lot of nightmare People have a lot of nightmares when they're in a coma induced dream or when they're suffering from sleep paralysis before and after they have these nightmares.

00:05:45:12 - 00:05:50:05
Dreamwalker
And your opinion, what how would you define a nightmare? What does that to you?

00:05:50:07 - 00:06:07:09
Amina
A nightmare is like a dream that is usually like emotionally charged, usually in like a negative way, like they're stressful emotions. And a lot of times people don't realize that they kind of come from your own inner like mental state. Sorry if you can hear my dog barking in the back.

00:06:07:10 - 00:06:08:11
Dreamwalker
I can't hear anything.

00:06:08:13 - 00:06:35:19
Amina
Okay? It was like stressing me out. I know how you feel. Okay. So, yeah, a lot of people don't realize that, you know, your mental state. Like, if you're usually stressed and anxious and depressed, you're more likely to have those types of dreams with that type of vibe. And even if you're in a dream and you're scared and you're giving off, that those types of thoughts, your dream can reflect that because dreams tend to be like thought, responsive.

00:06:35:21 - 00:06:44:15
Amina
So you know, it's bound to happen. Everybody has nightmares now and then, but if they're like, disturbing your life, then that's definitely something that you can like, work on and like, Oh, for sure.

00:06:44:17 - 00:07:09:01
Dreamwalker
Absolutely. I think pop culture or no, I'm sorry, like the entertainment business has made nightmares a little bit more important than they really are. I think it's just the same as a dream. It shouldn't be considered something different. And it's going back to what we just said about messages coming through from our subconscious or our guides or source, whatever you want to call it, that maybe we ignore.

00:07:09:01 - 00:07:32:17
Dreamwalker
And I think nightmares, in my opinion, are just like be the most serious messages that are coming through that need to come through, you know? So speaking of nightmares and, you know, messages coming through, obviously the goal is to heal, right? We're all on this spiritual journey. We're all working on ourselves and growing. Do you feel like dreams can also help us heal?

00:07:32:19 - 00:07:51:19
Amina
Yeah, for sure. I mean, like you said, our dreams are telling us things that maybe we don't pay attention to or that our subconscious, like, suppressed. So when we like work with those things consciously, we can like, you know, it's like doing shadow work or find out the parts of yourself that you know you have an address and how you can apply that to your waking life.

00:07:51:19 - 00:07:58:08
Amina
So definitely in so many ways, even physically, like I believe that your dreams can help you, like, heal physical things too.

00:07:58:12 - 00:08:03:11
Dreamwalker
Absolutely. So that goes into dream interpretation. So tell me your experience with that.

00:08:03:13 - 00:08:23:11
Amina
Yeah, I've noticed it's a very personal thing and I like to help people like, you know, talk about their dreams and share dreams and stuff like that. But I never tell people like, Oh, I think your dream means this or look it up in a dictionary because it's a very personal thing, You know, like my experience with the dream symbol might be totally different than somebody else's, you know?

00:08:23:13 - 00:08:41:19
Amina
So it's really about like, you know, dream journaling is a really good way to help understand your dreams, because you can look at patterns and analyze them over time. And then I really like to take note of my dream symbols. So like people, objects and places and emotions and like overall themes, that kind of helps me break it down.

00:08:41:19 - 00:08:47:20
Amina
And then I look at it each symbol individually and kind of compare it to my life. That's kind of like my process.

00:08:48:00 - 00:09:05:00
Dreamwalker
That's awesome. I started doing that for a while and then I started getting lazy with it and kind of just enjoyed everything together in one big paragraph. And then I also had my end paragraph in my notes. I would put how I felt before I went to sleep, which is a big one for me or what I did during the day.

00:09:05:00 - 00:09:22:00
Dreamwalker
That held a lot of high emotions for me. Elevated emotions. So what is one of the things you mentioned? So symbols and interpretation and things like that, That brings me to Khalil Yum is I'm assuming you follow Khayyam. So she's an assumption here.

00:09:22:02 - 00:09:22:21
Amina
Yeah. Yeah.

00:09:22:23 - 00:09:36:06
Dreamwalker
Okay. Okay. Yeah. Most, most people who are into dream interpretation do. And I love that because he really goes into it. And I think that's where you got the structure of your dream notes from, right? The scenes, the symbols.

00:09:36:08 - 00:09:43:21
Amina
Things like, yeah, it's definitely young and based. I've kind of got a lot of different dream perspectives and like, build my own practice with that.

00:09:43:23 - 00:09:52:15
Dreamwalker
Awesome. So tell me about your experience when you started research at Khalil Young before and after, you know how that changed your experience with this?

00:09:52:17 - 00:10:18:11
Amina
Yeah, it's been really interesting. I mean, I've read some of his books and a lot of his like papers online. What really inspires me was that he was really like looking at like psychology and like the mind when like it was not that normal. So, you know, given the context of the time, even though we know a lot more now in general, but he talked a lot about dreams and a lot about symbols, and he brought like a clinical approach.

00:10:18:11 - 00:10:40:18
Amina
I really like that he like incorporated into like clinical therapy and stuff like that. And he was big on like this model of the psyche. You know, one concept of like young that I really like is like the collective consciousness, which is like the idea that, you know, we all are a part of this collective, you know, the same way we share experiences on Earth and we have like this collective, you know, just throughout history.

00:10:40:20 - 00:10:58:17
Amina
We share things with the people around us and experiences and memories. The dreams reflect that, you know? So like if we're all going through something like COVID, you know, we might share certain types of dreams related to that or like world events. A lot of people share dreams when it comes to world events. So you talked a lot about that, about how the collective impacts our dream life.

00:10:58:17 - 00:11:19:08
Amina
And part of his like archetype models came from that, which is like just different, like kind of like themes that dreams could fit into. And I don't necessarily like to categorize dreams and apply them to everybody, but they can definitely be a good guide. Like if you see certain dreams that fit one of his archetypes, it might help you understand the dream.

00:11:19:10 - 00:11:26:22
Amina
But even that, like it's an individual thing. So I wouldn't say that that's like the main thing to go off of when interpreting dreams.

00:11:26:22 - 00:11:49:00
Dreamwalker
Yeah, I think a lot of people, including myself, can get caught up in the archetypes and, you know, start feeling like you have to kind of put yourself in that box. But I do love the archetypes because it also explains so perfectly the different stages that we are in our lives ultimately, right? So if you don't mind, this is kind of a personal question, but can you tell me which archetype that you see the most of in your dream?

00:11:49:00 - 00:11:53:01
Dreamwalker
And can you explain how that has helped you learn more about yourself?

00:11:53:07 - 00:12:13:24
Amina
Yeah, that's a good question. Definitely. Like, depends on like the point of my life, but I would say definitely kind of like the creator archetype, like the artistic kind of archetype and then the mother archetype. Like I have a lot of like games with my parents or even just like children in general that I kind of fit into that category.

00:12:14:01 - 00:12:30:03
Amina
And I relate to that because I'm like a very nurturing person and I have a lot of, you know, just resilience regarding family and mother and child kind of thing. And so, yeah, you know, I interpret them in a lot of different ways, but those are the main ones that stand out for me personally.

00:12:30:05 - 00:12:44:04
Dreamwalker
So just like you said, like when it comes to dream interpreting, a lot of us try to jump or I think we've all gone through the stage where we just want a quick answer. So we go to Google and we search up our dream and we try to get an answer that way. Or maybe Tik Tok is another one.

00:12:44:06 - 00:13:03:19
Dreamwalker
But just like you said, unfortunately, you know, we all have our own individualized meetings where our dreams and things like that. So that being said, for someone who has been having it doesn't need to be a repetitive dream, just dreams in general. And they're very vivid. They're remembering their dreams. What's the first thing they should do to start interpreting them?

00:13:03:21 - 00:13:24:13
Amina
Definitely write them down. Like write them down every time they happen and try to notice a pattern every time. If if you have any common themes or common objects or symbols within them, start to like, map it out kind of. And next thing I would also say is like, try to notice triggers in those dreams that can help you become lucid.

00:13:24:13 - 00:13:34:09
Amina
So next time you have it, you'll realize it's a dream and then maybe you can, you know, change it up or find an answer or like inquire further.

00:13:34:11 - 00:13:53:18
Dreamwalker
Awesome. That's a good idea. We touched on so many things already, and I love I love talking my girl young. And I will be honest with you, I haven't read his books yet. I still am on the surface level and I feel like I've learned so much and I'm kind of afraid to read his books because it's going to change my point of view of what I've read so far, what I've learned so far.

00:13:53:18 - 00:14:15:04
Dreamwalker
I think another thing too, there was there was something that you mentioned that I think is really interesting about dreams, prophetic dreams. So we talked a little bit about how some people in history have, you know, had dreams where they were able to prophesies what would happen the next day or sometime in the future. Right. Of course, they didn't know at the time it had to happen afterwards.

00:14:15:06 - 00:14:35:23
Dreamwalker
But a perfect example is Abraham Lincoln. You've heard about that. I don't remember her name, but it was Julius Caesar's wife who predicted his death. And she knew she knew her and her intuition told her to tell him not to go where he was going, and he ended up getting killed by his Senate. So things like that happens.

00:14:35:23 - 00:14:55:13
Dreamwalker
Right. Do you feel like going back to kind of what Carl Jung said about the collective unconscious and things like that, world events? Do you feel like our astral selves or a higher selves or, I don't know, source energy? I don't know what you want to call it is trying to provide us with mixed messages so that we can help the collective.

00:14:55:15 - 00:15:15:04
Amina
Yeah, I mean, all of the above. I think a lot of things could be happening. I think part of it is that like our higher selves and our guides kind of giving us hints about what could happen and what's going to happen because, you know, in the dream space or the astral realm, you know, the nonphysical world, it doesn't really operate off of linear time.

00:15:15:04 - 00:15:31:18
Amina
So it's not like we have past, present and future in that order. So, you know, it's kind of easy to see the future in the past and kind of work all at the same time so we can access kind of some of that information. So yeah, I definitely think that we have like a support team that's kind of helping us out when necessary.

00:15:31:20 - 00:15:42:09
Amina
Yeah, I but I think, you know, that doesn't mean we're supposed to necessarily do something. I mean, sometimes we can, but sometimes it's just to prepare or to show you the possibilities of what could happen.

00:15:42:11 - 00:16:11:10
Dreamwalker
Absolutely. Yeah. And speaking of possibilities, so I feel like our dream space is also kind of like a prequel to showing us our psychic abilities, you know? And I think sometimes it can be like in your dreams, you might notice that you have you start seeing your ancestors and you only know them to be your ancestors because of what they're wearing, and you don't recognize them, but you do recognize their garb and things like that.

00:16:11:12 - 00:16:38:24
Dreamwalker
And let's say your ancestor says, Hey, you know, you can actually do this, this and that. And you're like, Whoa, you're right. I can do that. But I didn't look at it like that because I thought everyone could. So I'm going to give you an example because that was super vague. So an example is for me when I was younger, whenever people would speak to me, I would start picturing a movie behind my eyes, you know, and not behind my eyes per se, but more like in my third eye or in my my mind's eye.

00:16:39:01 - 00:16:56:23
Dreamwalker
So I would picture this movie going and I'm like, Oh yeah, I'm like, in this this time frame that they're telling me I'm there with them in this story. And afterwards I'm like, I was, Yeah, I totally understand what you mean. You know, I could relate. And I didn't think to ask afterwards, Hey, you know, were you wearing this where you went?

00:16:56:23 - 00:17:14:19
Dreamwalker
It was this sky blue was etc., etc.. Like details of the story that they were telling me until my adult years. And I think it was a conversation I had with someone and they were just like, yeah, you see a movie behind your eyes in a way. And I'm like, Holy crap. So wait, I'm clairvoyant. And then it just kind of snowballs from there.

00:17:14:19 - 00:17:35:04
Dreamwalker
You know, you go down the rabbit hole and I think in our dreams, sometimes it's kind of like, I guess it's basically me talking about messages again. And I think that's a big one for me, you know, as basically the most exciting thing about my dreams is getting those messages from my guides. And that's why I keep coming up, isn't it?

00:17:35:06 - 00:17:44:08
Dreamwalker
So I'm trying to think, what's another thing, in your opinion, what have you found out about your clients? Are you or do you consider yourself psychic?

00:17:44:10 - 00:18:06:10
Amina
You know, it's kind of weird because I don't I have a hard time understanding, you know, which labels to go with. But I have weird experiences all the time that I can't explain, you know, like, usually related to my dream. So I don't know. I guess I consider myself like, a good dreamer and like, I'm really in tune with my dreams, but sometimes, like, weird things that just happen to me that sometimes I brush them off as like, Oh, glitches in the matrix.

00:18:06:10 - 00:18:27:11
Amina
Like, I'll even just like, know things or like, I'll see things and then they'll happen. Or especially like when I'm kind of in half awake states, when I'm like falling asleep, I'll get like messages and things there. So these things that happened to me throughout my life and I think I'm starting to like really understand them more and kind of like hone in on whatever abilities know.

00:18:27:12 - 00:18:43:17
Dreamwalker
It's really interesting. Why do you think with dreams being so prevalent in our history in all these different walks of life and people in history, it's been so important and then all of a sudden there's this drop off where people just don't care. Where do you think that's from?

00:18:43:19 - 00:19:04:11
Amina
I think partially, you know, dreams is a very personal and kind of like metaphysical thing. And it's not very easy to measure and like get consistent scientific data on. So I think over the years it's like lost validity, like in modern day culture because this is something that like, you know, you know, years ago they used to value a lot.

00:19:04:11 - 00:19:19:04
Amina
It was like a big part of cultures and like spiritual practices. And it's kind of like not as much the case anymore. I mean, it still is in some places, but I think that's going to change. You know, I think that people are starting to realize the value in it. Again. So excited for that.

00:19:19:06 - 00:19:33:13
Dreamwalker
Too. Absolutely. And I forgot about that part. You know, I forget that there's literally whole departments and and companies out there, organizations that are studying this. You know, and I saw in your TED talk that you were just at a conference. Can you tell me a little bit about that?

00:19:33:15 - 00:19:58:12
Amina
Yes, it was awesome. So, yeah, it's the international Association for the Study of Dreams. They get together with a lot of like researchers, scientists, even like artists and just different creators that all do dream related things. And we all like they show the latest studies and they had an art gallery and they what I really liked about it was that it combined like the art, the science and the spiritual ality.

00:19:58:14 - 00:20:03:19
Amina
And yeah, it was really fun. They, they do it every year, so hopefully I can keep going.

00:20:03:21 - 00:20:05:18
Dreamwalker
Yeah. What was it, by the way?

00:20:05:20 - 00:20:17:16
Amina
That one was in Oregon next year it's in Europe every couple of years. They do one in Europe because they have like a team in the Netherlands. Yeah, Yeah, I saw that. Okay. Again? Yeah, Yeah.

00:20:17:17 - 00:20:23:21
Dreamwalker
Okay, I saw that. I think it was like two days ago I ran into it and I'm like, the Netherlands. That's like, really fiber makes.

00:20:23:23 - 00:20:27:23
Amina
I wish I could go. But one day back in the States, I'll be able to go again.

00:20:28:02 - 00:20:58:02
Dreamwalker
Exactly. Exactly. So I want to bring out your TikTok videos. So you, like, hit every point of dreams, every question that people have. Have you like you got a video for and it's like a dream encyclopedia. I love it. So I would say the most interesting so far that I can remember right now is the one where people kind of, you know, they basically assume that it's something negative when they're lucid dreaming and they meet someone who is aware that they're there.

00:20:58:04 - 00:21:05:10
Dreamwalker
So tell me about, in your opinion, is it a bad thing that someone recognizes you in your dream?

00:21:05:12 - 00:21:19:12
Amina
No, I don't think so at all. I mean, I talk to my dream characters all the time and it's so funny. It's one of my favorite things to do when I'm lucid dreaming is to talk to them and be like, Oh, I'm dreaming. Like, look at me. Look what I can do. And, you know, just have fun with my dream characters.

00:21:19:14 - 00:21:36:19
Amina
But I see that a lot online. And like I said earlier, how like, dreams are thought responsive. If you have this expectation, an idea in your head that like, Oh, my dream characters are going to freak out if I do X, Y, and Z, then that's going to play out because that's literally what you're thinking and you're creating the dream as you go.

00:21:36:21 - 00:21:51:24
Amina
And that belief is like impacting the dream. So I try not to like let people spread that type of stuff online because dreams are about experimenting like you're safe. Nothing's going to happen even if your dream gets kind of creepy. Like, that's normal. You know, you can you're still going to wake up.

00:21:52:01 - 00:22:12:12
Dreamwalker
I think the best part of dreaming in general is interpreting it, finding out what what you're supposed to know. I hate the word supposed, but you know what? What's being told to you? You know, a perfect example for me is I've always had this does it these dark water dreams. Sometimes it's a tsunami, sometimes it's just a really black lake.

00:22:12:14 - 00:22:35:20
Dreamwalker
Sometimes it's, you know, dark blue, which is something ominous in my opinion. You know, at least that's the emotions that come up In my dream. I realized I was like, okay, this obviously is a symbol for something. So what would happen if I purposely submerge myself in this water and face my fear? And, you know, there's a couple of reasons why I did it successful sleep, but then I would wake up right after.

00:22:35:20 - 00:22:59:23
Dreamwalker
So I'm just like, you know, I could really use that one. And there's a couple of dreams where I look at the water, I'm like, Hell, no, I'm not jumping in there. I don't know what's in that water. You know? But I was speaking to a friend recently and she was like, you know, it's a symbol for portal normally not a symbol for, you know, you shouldn't look at it as a symbol for fear, but a symbol as a the underworld in a way, the way she was, she explained it was so perfect.

00:23:00:00 - 00:23:17:08
Dreamwalker
She used a couple of things in history that I think the Aztecs are one of them, where they would use water basins. I think it was sinkholes, actually, I'm sorry, sinkholes. And they would say that they would throw their dead in there and things that they loved in there because it was a portal to the underworld or a portal portal to another world.

00:23:17:10 - 00:23:33:16
Dreamwalker
And she was just like, you know, why don't you just submerge yourself and see what's on the other side instead of worrying about, you know, actually coming up from the top. So it was really interesting. And I feel I feel like that's just so that's so cool about games because it makes you think about things differently, you know?

00:23:33:18 - 00:23:43:08
Dreamwalker
And I'll get there one day. I'll get to that point where I feel comfortable enough to submerge myself and actually get to the next level but still work it. So yeah, that's awesome.

00:23:43:08 - 00:23:46:10
Amina
I'm excited to see when you when you make I'm sure it'll happen, you know.

00:23:46:11 - 00:24:06:15
Dreamwalker
Yeah, for sure. And you know it's funny because so my take not to talk name in my Instagram name is Dream Walker right? So I chose that just kind of came up you know like most things whenever you kind of like go with the flow. I realized afterwards I would say maybe three days ago what the actual term dream Walker meant.

00:24:06:17 - 00:24:29:23
Dreamwalker
And I was like, Oh, so me being a lucid dreamer, me having this connection with dreams in general, Now I have this name that I'm connected to that fits me so perfectly right now in my life. So can you tell me, has there been a time in your life where your dreams have acted as a synchronicity to something that you're working on during the day when you're awake?

00:24:30:00 - 00:24:51:21
Amina
Yeah, all the time. Like sometimes it'll be like I'll see something in my dream that gives me an idea for something that I'm working on. And sometimes it won't even make sense in the dream until I see something in waking life. That kind of makes it click. And I'm like, Oh, like, here's an idea. And then they'll also be just like weird moments where, like, I'll be in a situation that I remember that I dreamt about.

00:24:52:02 - 00:25:00:12
Amina
And then that becomes like important to me because I'm like, okay, this person or whatever I'm doing in this moment has something to do with my path that I need to pay attention to.

00:25:00:14 - 00:25:10:18
Dreamwalker
I feel like there's just so much. We talk about prosthetic dreams. We talked about symbolism across all. Yeah. Did you did you ever really have a connection with Sigmund Freud?

00:25:10:20 - 00:25:33:23
Amina
You know, I read about him and stuff. I, I love the fact that he created like a foundation for a lot of what we do today. And of course, like a lot of his theories have been, you know, edited and debunked or whatever. And, you know, a lot of his dream symbols were just very sexual like he was I don't know, either he was very horny or he just thought that we were all very sexually repressed, which is funny.

00:25:34:03 - 00:25:45:00
Amina
But, you know, given the context of the time, I'm thankful that he set a standard or started to open up the doors for us to, like, look at dreams in like a psychological way. So I think it's cool.

00:25:45:02 - 00:25:52:13
Dreamwalker
Absolutely. Yeah. So I'm sure you've talked to someone who said, you know what, it's really cool that you're interested in dreams, but I don't dream.

00:25:52:15 - 00:25:54:00
Amina
Yeah, right.

00:25:54:02 - 00:26:01:14
Dreamwalker
Yeah. Yeah. So I personally, I believe everyone dreams. I just think some people don't remember them for one reason or another, you know? So what's your opinion on that?

00:26:01:16 - 00:26:18:07
Amina
Yeah, I mean, I agree. You know exactly what you just said. Like we all dream. And, like, I'll usually ask people like, Well, have you ever had a dream? Ever? And they'll usually be like, Yeah, you know, ten years ago or a couple of months ago or whatever. So like, usually all kind of like ask them what kind of things have been going on in their life.

00:26:18:07 - 00:26:33:12
Amina
Because sometimes there's a reason we don't dream either. There's something that you're not listening to in your dreams, or you need to go back to your, you know, a time in your life where you were dreaming and see what has happened or what kind of things subconsciously you need to work through. It's kind of like a defense mechanism.

00:26:33:12 - 00:26:52:21
Amina
If we're not working through things, our dreams will kind of give us a break. And then there's people that like smoke weed, which can suppress your dreams. So I always ask people that just to try to rule it out. But yeah, there's a lot of different reasons. But if you start to try to remember your dreams, then once you start to care about it, then chances are you'll start to like wake up your dream life.

00:26:52:23 - 00:27:13:04
Dreamwalker
Absolutely. The unfortunate thing is a lot of people don't care because it's hard to interpret your dream. It takes time and patience to do so. You know, you have to set aside the time. So it's just everyone's day to day. They're just like, you know, I'm not going to pull this out 10 minutes of my morning just to write down my dreams that were so out of the completely out of the ordinary and random.

00:27:13:06 - 00:27:20:24
Dreamwalker
So I just think it does take a certain type of person that cares enough about their their mental well-being. Ultimately, because that's what it connects to.

00:27:21:01 - 00:27:24:14
Amina
Yeah, for sure it's a task, but it's worth it, in my opinion.

00:27:24:14 - 00:27:34:05
Dreamwalker
Absolutely. Absolutely. So tell me about what you're doing right now, because I know you're interested in the dream world. Obviously, you have a podcast. Is it on Spotify?

00:27:34:05 - 00:28:01:03
Amina
And yeah, it's on Spotify, all the platforms, YouTube, Apple, whatever. And then yeah, mostly just doing that. Like I love connecting, like doing things like this, connecting with other people that make dream content and spiritual content online and just kind of grow the community. I'm also doing some in-person dream groups, like some dream share groups in my city and a couple like retreats that I'm planning for the year.

00:28:01:05 - 00:28:09:04
Amina
So just different projects, like with different people that I meet that are into dreams. And I just love getting involved in things, especially dream related things. So yeah.

00:28:09:06 - 00:28:19:20
Dreamwalker
That's awesome. That's really great. So I love the idea of the retreat, especially a dream retreat. I can't even picture what that would be about. I just. I know I already want to be there. I'll be honest with you.

00:28:19:22 - 00:28:36:02
Amina
I would love it. It was awesome. Like we had one already and it was all women, so it's like really cool, intimate, safe. And we all had like a really good time. We, like, talked about Dream. So like every morning we would have like a dream share. We would talk about what we dreamt. We would analyze each person's dream.

00:28:36:02 - 00:28:50:00
Amina
It was only like less than ten people. So we had time to really dive deep into everybody's situation. And, you know, it was like therapy for like a whole weekend. And we had like dream herbs and teas and different meditations and things. So like, it was really fun.

00:28:50:02 - 00:29:11:02
Dreamwalker
Awesome. That sounds amazing. So my dreams are really interesting and the reason why I got I became so fast into this because throughout my life I would have these dreams that I now know were prophetic dreams. But at the time I didn't know. And it would be a perfect example. Most important example to me is when my mom passed away.

00:29:11:04 - 00:29:31:01
Dreamwalker
So in my dream, I'm seeing her falling back into this dark abyss and she is very obviously deceased because this stark abyss basically engulfs her and she's completely disappeared. So when I woke up from that dream, I waited for her to wake up. And then I called her and I was like, Mom, I love you. I had a dream that you died.

00:29:31:01 - 00:29:51:08
Dreamwalker
You were wearing this, you know you were doing this, etc., etc.. And I would say about two months later it happened. She had she went into cardiac arrest and she basically the way that she passed was falling back and clutching her chest. So that's how she passed. And that was a dream. And that was the most recent one.

00:29:51:08 - 00:30:18:09
Dreamwalker
That was a huge turning point in my life. Before that, it was seeing my husband. It was meeting my father. My biological father didn't know that guy existed, but and like little things here and there when I was a kid. So dreams to me have always, in a way, been this sort of credo for me. Like a warning, a warning for me to get ready because my world was about to shift, you know.

00:30:18:09 - 00:30:39:02
Dreamwalker
And I'm happy now that I see that, you know, I'm 33 now and I'm able to kind of say, holy crap, like, pay attention to your dreams, because it's a way for our higher self to say, you know what, Everything's going to work out no matter what, but this shit is about to happen. So it's about the change, you know?

00:30:39:04 - 00:30:41:08
Dreamwalker
So hopefully I can curse on your podcast. Is that okay?

00:30:41:14 - 00:30:44:02
Amina
Yeah. Okay.

00:30:44:04 - 00:31:04:12
Dreamwalker
I don't want to have to go through a start bleep and things out, but no, I just. I absolutely love my dreams. I'm actually excited to go to sleep every night. And sometimes I wake up a little disappointed because I'm like, Dang it, how do I have so many dark water dreams my entire life? And then now that I want to have them, they're not coming.

00:31:04:14 - 00:31:05:21
Amina
Interesting. Yeah.

00:31:05:21 - 00:31:19:15
Dreamwalker
And I feel like that's what our subconscious does sometimes. As soon as you figure out a symbol or an archetype that you know a pattern and then you think you got it, and the next thing you know, it changes your experience that.

00:31:19:17 - 00:31:34:10
Amina
Yeah, for sure, dreams kind of play little tricks on us. They're almost like little riddles. And that's why it's like an ongoing thing and it's kind of like a little challenge, you know? A lot of times if I'm trying to do something in my dream, it takes me a while to really be able to fully figure it out.

00:31:34:12 - 00:31:38:22
Amina
So yeah, that's interesting. How often do you get lucid in your dreams?

00:31:38:24 - 00:31:52:08
Dreamwalker
Oh, not very often. I would say the last time, probably months and months ago. And I think maybe a told and I can't tell you a total my entire life, but maybe five in the last couple of years. So not.

00:31:52:08 - 00:31:53:20
Amina
Too many.

00:31:53:22 - 00:32:13:17
Dreamwalker
And to be honest with you, what's really interesting about lucid dreaming because I think we our definition is very like black and white when it really is a little gray where we think that lucid dreaming means that we have full control over what we do. But I do think that there's parts because I dream in segments. I have different stories in my dreams as different things happening.

00:32:13:23 - 00:32:33:17
Dreamwalker
I think there's parts of my dream where I am lucid and parts where I'm not lucid and, you know, that goes into me dream walking and being other people. A lot of the times, like the craziest time I would say, is waking up and thinking that I had killed someone because I in my dream, I killed someone, I buried them and everything.

00:32:33:17 - 00:32:53:17
Dreamwalker
And when I tell you that emotion, holy crap, the feeling inside of my chest, of basically pure dread that I had killed someone. And now that my life is going to be. I mean, when I woke up, I literally was getting ready to go to prison. Like, I was like, What do I do?

00:32:53:19 - 00:33:01:03
Amina
Yes, Hello? Yeah. You're going to feel it when you wake up. Oh.

00:33:01:05 - 00:33:09:05
Dreamwalker
It is wild. I so you know what I'm talking about. Like when it just follows you throughout the day because the dream was so real, you know?

00:33:09:07 - 00:33:27:13
Amina
Yeah, for sure. And I love what you said about lucid dreaming, like being more of, like, a spectrum, because a lot of people think it like you said, that it means you can control the dream, but lucid dreaming just means, you know that it's a dream. So you could be semi lucid and then you can become lucid and then you can go back to normal dreaming and it can change all in one dream.

00:33:27:15 - 00:33:31:07
Amina
So yeah, it's definitely a spectrum.

00:33:31:09 - 00:33:38:14
Dreamwalker
It is absolutely so. Okay, so have you heard about the whole thing about that? When people dream, they don't dream in color, they dream of black and white.

00:33:38:16 - 00:33:57:03
Amina
Yeah, I know it's a small percent of population. And also some people just have them randomly. Like I remember speaking to somebody that said that when they're depressed, they have black and white dreams, which I thought was for older people that maybe had, you know, black and white TV or newspapers or something or more likely to dream of black and white.

00:33:57:05 - 00:34:08:00
Amina
And then, yeah, I don't know. I've had like one black and white dream ever. And I think I did it on purpose, just like, see what it was like. But for the most part, I see vivid, vivid colors.

00:34:08:02 - 00:34:27:05
Dreamwalker
Yeah. That's so interesting. I wouldn't mind having a black and white dream. I would start getting a little upset if it stayed that way, though, because I like my vivid colors, you know? That's really cool to me. Oh, let's see. How far do you think we can go in dreams, to be honest with you? Like, what's what's the most you think we can do?

00:34:27:07 - 00:34:44:19
Dreamwalker
Because I'm sure you've heard of astral projection, right? Okay. Yeah. Astral projection basically is allowing your body to and this is just for listeners, allowing your body to stay in one place while your astral form leaves and kind of floats and does whatever it needs to do and things like that. It's very similar to dreaming in a way.

00:34:44:21 - 00:34:51:20
Dreamwalker
Do you feel like there is in to dreaming that we have, you know what I mean? Or Yeah.

00:34:51:22 - 00:35:12:09
Amina
I think the limit is largely based on what we place on ourselves. I definitely believe that like astral projection and dreaming are kind of related because when we're dreaming, especially when we're lucid, we like leaving our physical bodies. We're seeing a dimension from a different vantage point that we're not awake, you know, or we can be in other bodies or other characters, like you said.

00:35:12:09 - 00:35:36:18
Amina
So I think that we can go places for sure. We can visit other dimensions and travel the physical, the astral realm. I mean, and, you know, maybe there's levels to it. I don't know the exact makeup of the astral world, but I'm sure there's levels, too. So the how far we can go and maybe there's places that humans are not allowed to go, which is one of the things in my dream that I told you about earlier, that they told me that there's like certain places humans can't go.

00:35:36:20 - 00:35:45:22
Amina
I think if you're determined and you have willpower, that'll guide you anywhere you want to go. So I think the limits are based like like what we place on ourselves. You know.

00:35:45:24 - 00:36:02:22
Dreamwalker
I like that. That's actually that's really cool. I think it's also like a vibration thing, too. I think that sometimes we. You just aren't ready. Yeah. You know, I don't like that saying you're not ready, things like that. Sometimes we're just not open enough to accept what we're seeing and it might actually do more damage than good.

00:36:02:22 - 00:36:04:12
Amina
So that's true.

00:36:04:16 - 00:36:06:10
Dreamwalker
Yeah, it doesn't make sense.

00:36:06:12 - 00:36:19:09
Amina
So yeah, and there's a lot out there that we don't understand and like, our brains literally cannot compute certain things. And I think, you know, kind of protect us from things like, you know, the secrets of the universe that we can't handle.

00:36:19:11 - 00:36:23:16
Dreamwalker
Mm hmm. I love that neon right behind you, by the way. It keeps coming in and out of focus.

00:36:23:16 - 00:36:30:05
Amina
Thank you. Yeah, I have background blurred. I should have blurred it because it's kind of cute. Yeah, that's awesome. Thank you.

00:36:30:09 - 00:36:41:01
Dreamwalker
So what's what's the next step in your in your opinion? Like, what do you what are you doing next? I know you're doing the retreats. You have your podcast. You said you are also what am I miss in there?

00:36:41:03 - 00:36:49:18
Amina
And then I'm kind of getting involved in some research that's just now starting. So I'm just trying to, you know, meet people and see where it takes me, you know?

00:36:49:21 - 00:36:54:07
Dreamwalker
Can you tell me a little bit about that or is it kind of like a little bit a secret right now?

00:36:54:09 - 00:37:20:17
Amina
Yeah, no, it's not a secret. It's just very new. So we have, like, officially launched anything we did, like kind of like a pretrial of some preliminary data. It's very basic. Right now, we're just like lucid dream induction, trying to find out what works for people. We're kind of building a model of, like, a program that people can join and, like participate in research while also holding themselves accountable and finding out what works for them and build a dream journal and build their own practice.

00:37:20:19 - 00:37:39:03
Amina
So, yeah, you know, I'll definitely keep you posted when we launch, but it's going to be like an online experiment. So like survey reporting just to gather data about like what helps people get lucid and what dream journaling methods work. So that's going to be really exciting. And then I am also doing an online course that'll kind of go in combination with that.

00:37:39:03 - 00:37:40:17
Amina
So awesome.

00:37:40:19 - 00:38:03:19
Dreamwalker
That's good to hear. And I think without even trying, you're going to be tapping into a world of people who have some major trauma that they want to help heal. When it comes to dreams, are you limiting yourself with that? Because I know it can be like a big liability and it starts going into health care and things like that, especially mental health, or is that something that is what you plan on working into?

00:38:03:21 - 00:38:24:05
Amina
Yeah, definitely plan on working into it. Like you said, there's definitely like a boundary with like giving people advice and medical advice and that kind of stuff. But I think I do want to provide resources for people, like I can provide information and people can do their own research and build their own practice. I'm just giving you tools, you know, and then helping people just kind of guiding them on their journey.

00:38:24:07 - 00:38:50:20
Amina
But part of my online course, like I have, it's mostly about lucid dreaming, but there's a section on dream analysis and how to analyze your dreams and how to use your dreams for shadow work and trauma, healing and things like that. And I provide a lot of like papers and research studies and things like that. Like I don't have all the information, but I've been doing this for a while, so I know a lot of good resources and I just want to share them with people so they can kind of, you know, figure it out for themselves as well.

00:38:50:22 - 00:39:10:15
Dreamwalker
And so that's really good to hear. Now, I really appreciate you holding that space for people because like we talked about earlier, dreams just aren't really talked about enough. And I think it could really help people grow and heal and things like that. So, you know, especially holding space for people to listen to, to share their dreams, I know that.

00:39:10:17 - 00:39:21:22
Dreamwalker
And maybe this is just me, but I feel like a lot of people just don't care about other people's dreams because they can't even interpret their own. So it's just like they're just like, Oh, that's great. Anyways, So.

00:39:21:24 - 00:39:25:20
Amina
Yeah, they don't really understand. I hate it when people tell me their dreams.

00:39:25:21 - 00:39:46:15
Dreamwalker
I it's like, you did what? Okay, so, like, are you okay? Because it's like there's an obvious message there. You know, like I, when I tell people about the dark water, my dreams are just like, Do you feel overwhelmed? Are you depressed? I was just like, I don't think it's that literal, you know? But possibly, you know, maybe, like, I'll figure it out and I'll let you know.

00:39:46:15 - 00:39:58:12
Amina
UPDATE You know, dreams are not always literal. That's usually some metaphorical thing. And like other people can help you give perspectives and stuff. But yeah, only the dreamer really knows.

00:39:58:18 - 00:40:03:06
Dreamwalker
Only the dreamer knows. I like that she's that somewhere on the dreamer knows.

00:40:03:06 - 00:40:06:07
Amina
Yeah, that's a good, cool tagline.

00:40:06:09 - 00:40:08:22
Dreamwalker
It's yours. So.

00:40:08:24 - 00:40:12:11
Amina
You know, I'm sharing everything. I'm trying to, you know, spread the love.

00:40:12:13 - 00:40:26:09
Dreamwalker
That's awesome. And I really do appreciate that. Thank you so much. And I appreciate you for taking time out of your night after work and, you know, speaking with me about both of our I guess, our favorite topic, dreams, you know?

00:40:26:10 - 00:40:32:07
Amina
Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. You, too, is with us. Such great questions. I love getting into these topics.

00:40:32:11 - 00:40:55:07
Dreamwalker
You know, we have to do this again. So I'm actually going to go binge watch your TikTok videos because as I was scrolling, I saw some really interesting things and I'm like, already I need to go back and can comment on a couple of these things. So let's see, you can find me on Tik Tok at Dream Walker and on Instagram at Dream Walker Tunisia.

00:40:55:09 - 00:41:07:24
Dreamwalker
Let's see, I have a Facebook in a dream. Walker Chronicles. You can see the different phases I've gone through there, right? But I also go ahead and send you the links as well. That way you could share it.

00:41:08:01 - 00:41:18:21
Amina
And then you can find me at the Dream World podcast dot com. And that's the same on Instagram, the Dream World podcast, and it should pop up on Tik Tok too. So yeah.

00:41:19:02 - 00:41:21:13
Dreamwalker
Yeah, awesome. Thank you.

00:41:21:15 - 00:41:23:04
Amina
You too. Bye bye.