EP106: Ancient Dreamers on Astral Journeys

In this episode of The Dream World Podcast, I sit down with Jenniffer Claroscura — shadow worker, filmmaker, aspiring author, and self-described “ancient dreamer.” We explore her lifelong path through astral projection, lucid dreaming, and dreamwork, and how these practices evolved into a deep exploration of shadow and light.

Jenniffer shares stories of dream guides who pushed her into growth, powerful initiations during motherhood, and the creative inspiration she draws from dreams for her art and upcoming book. We talk about dream journaling, navigating chaos as a spiritual tool, connecting with guides, and even her experiments with multiple dreams running side-by-side.

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Connect with Jenniffer on TikTok & Instagram at @ancientdreamers

Transcript

Jenni:
During an astral projection, you can be seen if the person is or just waking up. So if they're still in this liminal stage, you can be seen in a dream. It's not if you're in your own like sort of world bubble. I don't know how else to explain it. I have seen people dreaming in astral projection, so I've seen people.

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Unknown
So if I'm out of body, I don't like to call it out of body because it's really an inner projection. But whatever. If I'm out of my body and I see a bubble, a person inside this dream bubble, and I know they're dreaming and I would. I used to mess with them when I was a, I would just be like, popping into their bubble and being like, hey.

00;00;44;16 - 00;01;00;13
Unknown
And then they would come to me the next day and be like, I had a dream about you. And I would be like, oh, I'm good.

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Unknown
Jennifer, welcome to the Dreamworld podcast. I'm excited to chat with you today about dreams, spirituality, science, just so people know, Jennifer and I met on clubhouse a couple of years ago. Like kind of around the time I started my podcast and started getting really into talking about dreams. I always remember you were like one of the really awesome voices that would always come bring good energy.

00;01;21;04 - 00;01;56;20
Unknown
So take it away. Tell me, like, how did you get started with your journey? With dreams? Thank you. No, I definitely remember those good old days of clubhouse before it changed. Right now, people are doing something similar on TikTok, which is something I'm looking have participated in some lives. But yeah, my journey and dreams actually started with astral projections, so it was like lucid dreaming was the default of what happened because I astral projected and would do astral projection exercises, which proves that even if you study astral projection, the side effect is lucid dreams.

00;01;56;20 - 00;02;28;12
Unknown
So that's a good thing. It was actually. But dream work was it was way later than lucid dream. So it was like astral projection. Then I had, of course, crazy, wild lucid dreams without any training. So it was just me doing whatever I wanted and being completely selfish. Can just like egotistical in my lucid dreams. And once I went into the dream work practices, the lucid dreams changed because, as you know, dream work is way more introspective and it really is a psychological slash spiritual grounding practice.

00;02;28;12 - 00;02;51;09
Unknown
So that's when everything actually started. And my lucid dreams and astral projections took a more, deeper turn. That's really interesting. So I'm curious because I get, you know, people talking about this a lot. What do you think is the difference between astral projection, lucid dreaming, out-of-body experiences? Do you think there's any overlap, or is there like a clear difference from your experience?

00;02;51;11 - 00;03;17;28
Unknown
Well, I've always been in team overlap because I say team because it's such a discussion out there. I believe we're all in some kind of like a spectrum of experiences. But thanks to lucid dreams, I've been able to enter some astral experiences. I think that everybody is going to have a different experience of what that overlap is, and that's where the nuances begin, because people think it's something they can just put like a textbook like.

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Unknown
And this is the line that is not how it goes. Actually, that line, depends on you and it's individual. So we all have to find our own spectrum of consciousness within all those realms. Yeah. That's true. I always think it's such a personal journey. You know, we can't make it so rigid because, you know, we have to allow for people to have their subjective experiences.

00;03;41;14 - 00;04;02;07
Unknown
So where do you draw the line? Like, can you give me maybe like a story of, like a cool, lucid dream you had and then maybe an astral projection and how they were different for you? Okay, so let's say I'm in a lucid dream and I want to astral projection. So I understand that it's going to take a shift, but I don't know how to.

00;04;02;08 - 00;04;22;17
Unknown
In my early days I didn't know how to do that. I think as you get older and wiser, you're able to more shift into it and a little bit of a more flowing, different way. But back when I was drawing more lines, so to speak, or discovering or coming to an edge, so to speak, and being like, whoa, this is something that can turn into something else.

00;04;22;21 - 00;04;49;07
Unknown
I would I would create scenarios that would allow me to do so. For example, I would jump into water and I knew that in astral projection, there's a water element to it, like there's a sensory thing that would get activated. So if I jumped into water in a lucid dream, it was like a portal for me, and immediately I could feel that I was in back in my body, getting out of my body during that time.

00;04;49;07 - 00;05;07;20
Unknown
So then the experience would shift or I would jump through glass. I mean, I know these are very extreme, but I'm in a lucid dream and it doesn't matter. But I needed to activate my energy body and somehow I was very sensorial about it. So like I said, everyone is going to find their way where they cross that border, so to speak.

00;05;07;24 - 00;05;32;08
Unknown
But now it's not so like that. I feel like I did that enough for enough years that it evolved into a strong intent, and I can shift just my awareness is became more fluid. Yeah, that makes sense. So what is your practice like nowadays in terms of recording dreams or how often do you get lucid? Do you have any specific things that you do for recording dreams?

00;05;32;08 - 00;05;54;28
Unknown
I, I, I'm very chaotic about it. So basically I have like ten journals and I write and all of them simultaneously since many years ago. So it's a puzzle. Like I like it that I get to find things that I forgot about. I kind of love leaving myself clues and forgetting about things that I have. I think that when you introduce chaos, you're allowing the universe to surprise you.

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Unknown
You're saying you're allowing like you're playing with things that are not set in stone. Because my whole practice is to dissolve these static, waking reality, static moments and going more into the abstract world. So I live my life rather abstractly within my structure, which is my children, my job, and my husband. Everything else is completely chaotic and abstract in my life.

00;06;22;14 - 00;06;41;27
Unknown
So I write in my journal, I write in my phone, I write in my computer. But I do write. Oh well. Last month I had a very low because I've been writing writing my book. So I'm having a slow journaling time because whenever I do have time to write, it has to be the edits, because I'm at the end, almost at the end of it.

00;06;41;27 - 00;07;02;02
Unknown
And I need, I really need to push myself because I'm also a procrastinator. So if I start procrastinating because, oh, I need to write down my dream today, I won't do the other thing. So I just know myself. I look for any excuse to just be a veg, so I need to push myself. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah, with dream work it's always adapting to what's going on in your life.

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Unknown
So totally makes sense. And that's exciting that you're writing a book. Are you allowed to share what it's about or is it still secret? A little bit, but before I talked about that, probably me and you and everybody else that we know find little circles of for dream circling. So besides doing journaling, I also participate in Dream Circle.

00;07;21;26 - 00;07;39;14
Unknown
So that's my other way. Yeah. The book I've been writing for two years and a half. It's been very tricky to write it, because it's the first thing in my life that I've ever actually finished. I don't want to say finished, because it's still in the second edit of the whole thing, but it's, you know, it's a finished book just being edited.

00;07;39;21 - 00;08;07;22
Unknown
So I'm excited about that. I almost feel like I'm breaking through. I'm generational curses of unfinished business, so it is not a dream dream book like people would probably expect. I am more of a shadow worker, so it's not either a shadow work book. As people would expect in this book, I think I've explored and experimented a different side of shadow that I've always wanted to indulge in, which is past.

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Unknown
Not to say traumas are not a good or bad thing, but it's moving beyond that. But includes that in a sense. But it's it's more than that. It's a little bit more in the metaphysical consciousness exploration aspect of shadow as an evolutionary tool. So yeah, I haven't really talked about the book too much because my guides, you know, to to certain people, I'm just like, I'm not going to say guides, but oh yeah, no judgment here.

00;08;37;02 - 00;08;55;08
Unknown
My dream guides and astral guides have told me not to talk about it, so I have been like having a very hard time not doing that, because I'm a content creator and I usually blab about everything that's happening to me as soon as I wake up or, you know, and I haven't been able to do that. I've had to be like, oh, this happened.

00;08;55;08 - 00;09;20;20
Unknown
Let me go write it, because I haven't been able to to share too much. And I like that because if I shared, I might not do it. It's so I'm kind of playing, making sure that my self saboteurs are working with me. So doing shadow work while writing something about the shadow has been interesting. Yeah. That's awesome. Well, I'll definitely stay tuned and keep up with when it comes out, so that's really cool.

00;09;20;20 - 00;09;39;18
Unknown
I love that you're into shadow work as well. I've seen a lot of your content and your YouTube videos, which I'll link. I think it's important content that you're making as well. Let's talk a little bit about that. Like, why is shadow work such an important thing for people to dive deep into themselves? And I know it relates to dreams, but there's a lot of shadow work as well that's not dream related.

00;09;39;18 - 00;10;08;17
Unknown
So I think it's all important and deserves to be talked about. Yes, shadow and dreams definitely share a space and probably dreams led me to shadow work, so I'm very grateful for that. I didn't know, but my subconscious knew because ever since I was in college, just fresh out of high school, I studied photography and my style as a photographer, even as a student was chiaroscuro, which is flower, Sekiro, which is light and shadow.

00;10;08;17 - 00;10;37;09
Unknown
So I was already there. I just didn't know it, and I didn't know how to put it into words, because I was young and I was distracted by learning about myself and everything. So as my life progressed, that continued. And eventually I think the moment when it really like, clicked. I was living in California at the time, I was probably 35, maybe younger in my early 30s, and I realized that I was working for Light and Shadow.

00;10;37;09 - 00;10;57;27
Unknown
I was working for a lady called with the last name light, and lady was the last name shadow. They were both my bosses in different jobs. So yeah. And, you know, it's like the I think life prepares you and I've been very well prepared and I don't even know, maybe pushed. I've been monitored, pushed, tricked, you name it by a team of guides.

00;10;58;01 - 00;11;22;03
Unknown
Maybe I remember them because I'm so obsessed with consciousness. But everybody probably has a team of guides. I just remember them. And that's just the difference between people who say, oh, how come you have guides? I'm like, I just remember them. I'm a, consciousness diver, like a hardcore one. So I think you need to be, like, extremely curious to be like trying to look for that moment.

00;11;22;03 - 00;11;41;11
Unknown
You know? Yeah, I love that. I can totally relate. You know, I've intentionally, more times than I can count, gone into my lucid dreams looking for spirit guides or angels or my team that supports me. I want to know who they are. You always invite them into my dreams. And yeah, I love how you said they push and support you and help you along.

00;11;41;11 - 00;12;02;16
Unknown
That's really cool. And so what are some ways that you connect with your guides and like ask them to show you the way. I'm sure it's been a long time coming doing this for you. Well, I was never a good student because I didn't want any anything to do with it. So we grew into a relationship, but it was not easy because I was very stubborn.

00;12;02;16 - 00;12;22;09
Unknown
I had a Catholic chip, I wasn't Catholic, but the chip is there whether you're Catholic or not. Like there's something about, oh, heaven and hell, you know? So there was a lot of deprogramming that they had to endure with me, I think, because of fear and other things. But when I didn't want to, I was forced to. So they were not like, oh, okay, she's scared.

00;12;22;09 - 00;12;46;26
Unknown
Let's leave her alone. It was more like, oh, you don't want to come out of your body today and have a lesson. Well, you're not going to be able to sleep. So if I'm laying down, they would shift my perception so that I would feel like I was standing up with a pillow behind me. And then if I didn't do, if I pretended that I didn't want anything to do with them there, they would shift my perception again and again until I was like, fine, what do you want me to do?

00;12;46;26 - 00;13;11;09
Unknown
And the beginning of my training was usually just how to clear space, clear how so? This sounds very good. I don't think I've talked about this before. Maybe I have, but it was basically, if there's an energy somewhere that I need to make sure is either crossed over or something, they taught me how to do that. And I just kind of did it like a teenager would do a chore.

00;13;11;14 - 00;13;32;26
Unknown
Yeah. So that's what I mean by they didn't give me a choice. It was not a romantic thing. That's it was like, all right, like basically like by my ear. Oh, they've done that before. Like, you need to do this. And that's why I can relate to the Carlos Castaneda books, because those don't want teachers like, they're mean and rude.

00;13;32;26 - 00;13;53;25
Unknown
And I was like, yeah, that's how my guides were. Not like they were mean or rude, but they were like, we're we mean business and, you know, better. Yeah, but now it's a different situation, of course. And I apologize all the time to my guides, because I know that they're also an aspect of myself. I don't give my power away in that way.

00;13;53;28 - 00;14;16;20
Unknown
However, whether as an exercise, a tool or a belief, it's a communion. It's a group effort. And I know that I am in all the perspectives. So it's a different situation now. But it's been a rocky start with the guide situation for me. That's funny. Yeah, I love that. I love how you see them as parts of you that guide yourself along, and it is really kind of a communal thing.

00;14;16;22 - 00;14;39;24
Unknown
And it's great to see that relationship evolve. I think that's really cool and inspiring. Also, another thing I wanted to ask you, which I love asking people this, especially when they tell me they're a parent and they've gone through the motherhood journey. I'm really curious, how has that, affected your spiritual journey and in particular, dreams? I love hearing about people's cool pregnancy dreams or or whatever you have to share in that journey.

00;14;39;26 - 00;15;07;06
Unknown
Well, this probably crosses over to his soul journeys, but my kids, both of them, were a journey and in and of itself. So around. I don't know if three months, four months around that time I just like I usually go through lessons and schools in dream and astral motherhood was one of them. So I had a say in bringing the being into my body.

00;15;07;09 - 00;15;37;08
Unknown
That was the journey in of itself. It was almost like, the thesis or the final, like finals, because we're talking about bringing a being into my life. So it was not like a normal lesson. It was it was very tricky. It was very risky. My second son, Iggy, was the hardest because to get him, I had to go into the training for months on how to connect with almost like extraterrestrial beings in the dream and in astral.

00;15;37;11 - 00;15;58;06
Unknown
So during the whole pregnancy is the whole journey with that soul. My first son, Wolfie, would take me out of my body and show me things, and he was like a grown ass soul. So it wasn't. It was weird to think that there was a baby inside of me. It was like, no, there's this like ancient warrior that is trying to show me something before he forgets.

00;15;58;08 - 00;16;18;05
Unknown
I had a lot of experiences with them, and by the time they were born, it's almost like there was a little myth about each child. It was something that I think I will forever remember, and my husband made me write them down so that we can show them, because he remembers me waking up every night like my first child took me to Dimitri's name of origin.

00;16;18;05 - 00;16;39;02
Unknown
So he showed me like a tree, looked like the tree of life. And he showed me how he found my husband. And it was through the name of origin. And from there he could map out all of his lives and till he tracked him in this one, it was like every night was like a new movie about how I'm developing a relationship with them.

00;16;39;04 - 00;17;02;18
Unknown
Well that's incredible. Super powerful. I mean, I fully believe that when children come into this world, especially these newer generations of kids, they're they're so smart spiritually and consciously and they're bringing on things to help us in our journey. So I think that's so cool. I mean, I personally don't have kids yet, but I do want kids, so I know that I will have that feeling of like initiation when it comes my time.

00;17;02;20 - 00;17;21;24
Unknown
That was the word. Yeah, initiation. And it's just like, I get goosebumps hearing you talk about it because I know it's such a powerful like moment. So I think, yeah, big respect to you for going through that. What was it like watching your kids grow up? Do you think they embody some of those characteristics that you kind of got to know in while they were in the womb?

00;17;21;26 - 00;17;52;04
Unknown
My firstborn, he always gave me that ancient warrior vibe every time we astral projected. It was always intense electrical and serious business like. And he is like that. He is, no joke. Mind on the task and obsessed with whatever he likes. When he was a baby, he hated being a baby. I don't know if I've ever been able to say that, but he did not like being a baby because he was stuck in this little body that couldn't move.

00;17;52;04 - 00;18;11;24
Unknown
So if you would see my son when he was a baby, he's looking at his limbs like, oh, he would fall over and he would be growling like, oh yeah, he's been here before. Like he hated being a baby that couldn't do anything. And even now, he hates being a boy that can't make decisions and stuff like that.

00;18;11;24 - 00;18;31;08
Unknown
So he always pushes us like for his freedom. It's been difficult. But I understand where that comes from. And today we're opening he's he's 11. He wants a bank account. He's just like he's just way ahead because of him. We have a house because of him. We bought a car because he pushes us. He's always like, why don't we have these things?

00;18;31;08 - 00;18;53;15
Unknown
Why? You know, so he's been a little fire under our asses. The little the little one was always, healing and sweet. He's always been that vibe since he was, like, in that, like, I called it extraterrestrial, but I don't even know what it is. Interdimensional. Whatever he was, it was this healing golden light. And that's who he is.

00;18;53;15 - 00;19;21;19
Unknown
He's just the sweetest boy. So. But, motherhood in itself, it's kind of like my journey and spirituality started horribly because I kicked and screamed the whole way into the first seven years, I couldn't adapt. I was like, what the hell is this? Like, I have no energy. I don't sleep, but thanks to a very patient partner, he gave me the space to not let go of my art and dream practices and things like that.

00;19;21;19 - 00;19;42;06
Unknown
So. So I do not like completely fall into the mundane life of motherhood, which I feel like I'm was one of the biggest lessons of my life. Yeah, that's also a major respect and I'm glad that you have that support. It's definitely a journey, but they are lucky to have you. So happy Mother's Day, by the way, which is every day, every day, but specifically yesterday.

00;19;42;08 - 00;20;01;12
Unknown
Cool. So do you, like, tell your kids about dreams or like, I've always wonder, like, what's the breakfast table like? I'm sure that you talking about dreams is normal in your family. I'm sure it is my. Both my husband and I dream a lot, so we always. Of course, they try to interrupt. They also dream the younger one has a lot of nightmares and they're very weird.

00;20;01;12 - 00;20;26;16
Unknown
Like he dreamt that I have eyes all over my body. You know? He's always dreaming like psychedelic shit and lots of nightmares. But I'm trying to give him tools. But he's an Aries. So whereas when he was younger, he was more open minded. Now he's being his real Aries self, which is a very square point of view. So he doesn't like it when I talk about the thing, he's like, mom, he's like, that does not happen, mom, that is not true, you know?

00;20;26;22 - 00;20;49;22
Unknown
And I'm like, yes, it is, and you will see. And so now he's kicked into that and I was like, you don't remember? You used to see ghosts. You, you see, you know, and he's like, no. So he thinks it's funny. And we have this dynamic where he's like, okay, fine, I'm not going to be a square. But the oldest one, he has dreams and he's more of a psychic, sensorial type of person.

00;20;49;22 - 00;21;11;03
Unknown
So whatever energies in the room, he embodies it. And it scares me sometimes because that could mean he's easily influenced, by energies which, unless he masters that, I can see how it can take over him. Not in a good way. So he has a long journey of the shadow that he will have to go through at some point.

00;21;11;03 - 00;21;32;18
Unknown
And I'm watching him every step of the way, because I don't want to be like my parents who just, you know, I'm a Gen X, so our parents didn't care about guiding us in a certain way. And it was just like, you're on your own. They throw you to the wolves and you raised yourself. So, I want to make sure that they have more guidance than I ever did.

00;21;32;21 - 00;21;51;11
Unknown
I had love, I mean, they gave me love and they gave me food, but they didn't give me guidance. So, yeah, I can relate to that as well. Yeah. It's cool that they have a mother like you that is well-versed in traveling dimensions and integrating that with waking life, because it's not easy, especially for kids, you know, that are more sensitive and understanding themselves.

00;21;51;13 - 00;22;12;08
Unknown
It's good that they have you. I also kind of had to learn about dreamy, psychedelic stuff on my own, even though I was having these types of experiences at a very young age. I didn't have like a parent figure that could relate necessarily. So I do think that's very important in these days. Super cool. Oh yeah. Yeah. You said earlier that you make art and I've seen some of your art online.

00;22;12;08 - 00;22;30;27
Unknown
I would love for you to tell me about it. Like what's your process? Like what kind of art do you make? What's your creative journey like? Well, I right now my art is film. I right now working on a music video, and it's always been black and white, or at least at least dark, if not black and white.

00;22;31;00 - 00;22;53;00
Unknown
Dark. Very dark with like, minimal light. But I haven't shared too much of what I've been doing in film because it's such a slow process of in the editing. And I've been giving writing my priority. But I do always work on film. I do play around with content, but that's not what my actual art form looks like.

00;22;53;00 - 00;23;18;20
Unknown
But it's just fun to do on TikTok or whatever. But I'm always playing around with film. I actually, back in the day, I was the one that had the VCR, VHS cameras and then the Betamax and then the digital. So I went through I've always had video tapes, I have bag of videotapes I've always filmed, and I didn't even realize it until I had a burnout from photography.

00;23;18;27 - 00;23;41;08
Unknown
And I turned to my tapes. But in photography, I like the black and white lab, and I would try to make a photos that depicted astral projections. So I had a series where it looks like I'm flying in a room and things like that, and it's just very minimalistic. It was just like a very a light, like somebody with a flashlight drawing my body.

00;23;41;08 - 00;23;59;06
Unknown
And it was like a long exposure. So all you see is like a ghostly figure with my face on it and things like that. But I also do things like collaging, drawing. That's awesome. Yeah, cool. I love that you're just a multi-dimensional, creative person. I think that's really cool, and I think it fits right in with you being a vivid dreamer.

00;23;59;07 - 00;24;24;17
Unknown
I feel like people that are more tapped into their dreams, they are able to get more creative inspiration and more open minded solutions to apply to their waking life. I've noticed that correlation, so I think that's really I'm also curious, like how have your dreams evolved like throughout your life? Because I've noticed, even for myself, like from teenager to like my 20s, and now I'm almost 30 and there's been like patterns to like how my dreams shift over time.

00;24;24;17 - 00;24;47;14
Unknown
And I'm curious if you've noticed any of that for yourself. Yeah, dreams definitely shift over time and you will find that ten years from now, whatever you've been dreaming from like 25 to 35 will make sense. And that can only come with time. I understand now things that I thought were like, oh, what a weird dream that I would share on like Instagram or something.

00;24;47;16 - 00;25;06;21
Unknown
And then like now I know, damn, that was like a huge piece of this, like bigger picture that I don't know if I should have even share because I didn't even know what it was. But now I know what it is and I just laugh when I see like, Facebook memories. And I'm like, did I? I was like, how could I have put that there?

00;25;06;21 - 00;25;32;26
Unknown
That's like putting like a really important piece of your holy grail. So it's just funny to me. But, a more holistic view, more than like dreams shifting, which they do like every few years. The way your dreams look like does change. It is the understanding of your dream ship is like it's it's it's a holistic view of, what encompasses your spiritual process.

00;25;32;26 - 00;26;06;04
Unknown
And you, in essence, is a soul. So it's it's a that deepness, that depth is what the layers are coming out for. And those big dreams, those weird dreams, you'll see that there's going to be like it, like all these little initiations are just going to point to this mission of yours that becomes two starts to unfold in a more bold way, as as if you were still as serious because people fall off.

00;26;06;06 - 00;26;27;16
Unknown
I've been in this dream thing for long enough to see people like, go hard for five years and then flip, and I'm like, I wish I had that luxury of being like, I'm done with is going to go do something else, but it's just something that I can't it's it's tied into my mission. So like, I can't just be like, I can't, maybe I'll take a day off, you know?

00;26;27;16 - 00;26;50;12
Unknown
But if I don't pay attention to it, something's going to, I'm not going to, Remember? Yeah. That's cool. I'm right there with you. I don't plan on stopping making content or some sort of work with dreams anytime soon. And so I'm ready for that wisdom of my 30s decades to come in. But I got some time, so.

00;26;50;14 - 00;27;11;27
Unknown
Yeah, that's why I love recording my dreams. I've been solidly recording my dreams for like, six ish years now. Oh, God. Yeah. But I've had vivid dreams since I was a kid, so I went. I've been recording for longer, but I think I would do database. Yeah, to look back on, so. Me too. I wish I burned my journals when I was 18.

00;27;12;00 - 00;27;31;20
Unknown
I just do myself every day because of it. And it was, I was writing. I remember really cool stuff. Like I was writing about multi dimensionality. I was like, If I'm me, I was like, who is the I? I remember all those entries and then like, I burned it. No into the universe. I was just I was like chaotic rebel always.

00;27;31;20 - 00;27;57;15
Unknown
So that was just like me trying to start over. And it was symbolic, but I regret it as well. Do you remember your first lucid dream? Was it like as a child or did it come later on? Well, as a child I was astral projecting. When I started lucid dreaming, I was a teenager, like late teens, like, no, I was a teenager, like 16, 15.

00;27;57;17 - 00;28;22;29
Unknown
And it was, me mainly flying. It was me picking people up and flying or, you know, lucid sex or whatever, whatever people do when they first lucid dream, that was me. And, then I got bored of all that, and I would just freeze worlds and I'd be like, oh, what do I do here?

00;28;23;02 - 00;28;53;01
Unknown
And yeah, and I would just, then I started destroying stuff like, like, I don't want anything here. And, and just vanishing things. And then I got tired of that, and, I couldn't I couldn't vanish the ocean. I couldn't it was like I remember thinking, why, if I can make everything else disappear, can't this sea disappear?

00;28;53;03 - 00;29;22;08
Unknown
So I just sat there like I surrendered. I was like, I'm just going to enjoy the view. And since it's here. And then that's when everything shifted because these two giant, dolphins came out, and I at first it started like little ripples. And then eventually they came out and their mouths opened and they like, I don't know what they were doing, but whatever they did, like, activated some deep, deep, like, divine energy.

00;29;22;08 - 00;29;50;28
Unknown
And I remember going down on my knees and just in complete gratitude. And that's where everything changed in lucid dream. So, so from then on, which I was like in my late teens, by the time I realized these things, I had an on and off practice of lucid dreaming through my 20s, mostly astral projection still, but that depth of there's something more here started around that age, so I it cultivated through.

00;29;50;28 - 00;30;15;29
Unknown
By the time I reached my 30s, I was deep, deep in in in more of like what? So this little pebble, you know, rippled out into, like, a huge practice of lucid dreaming is not just, you know, lucid sacks or lucid, you know, flying. It's there's a whole it's just a beginning of a mechanism that that can, take you somewhere.

00;30;16;04 - 00;30;32;28
Unknown
Yeah. I think that's a very common, you know, phase people go through of like, things to do in a lucid dream, you know, and yeah, you know, you realize that there's so much you can do, it's okay to do the fun stuff and, you know, give into your body desires. But yeah, there's so much you can do.

00;30;33;00 - 00;30;58;06
Unknown
And I went through the same kind of, so I love talking to dreamers about, like, all the millions and infinite possibilities of things you can use lucid dreaming for. So I, I wanted to ask you really quick before I ask you about lucid dreaming. When you astral project, you know, throughout your life, is that through, like, you know, like a meditation or is it, is it more of like going to sleep or how do you reach that state?

00;30;58;08 - 00;31;28;17
Unknown
So, when I was around six years old, I was taken out of my body. So something went through a portal. I was awake, so it wasn't even like I was asleep. And I felt like something took. I didn't know what it was, but something took me out of my body. The only reason I know now that that was an out-of-body experience was because, I could see, like, my arm, my my hand hanging, and I could see the energy hand coming out.

00;31;28;23 - 00;31;51;01
Unknown
So that was I was confused as little. I was like, why did I have two right hands, you know? But now I know one was the energy body leaving the body. After that, the it was just like my body just naturally would astral project during the night. But then I put a block mental block on it.

00;31;51;04 - 00;32;17;05
Unknown
During my teenage years, early teenage years. And an incident happened at school when I was like, in ninth grade, where I became the shadow. I mean, the, the kids at school, blamed me for something that I didn't do, and everybody, like, gave me, like, the cold shoulder. And it was almost like I became the shell.

00;32;17;06 - 00;32;43;28
Unknown
Like I became this, like, unknown person to to Sean or I guess now it's cancel culture, right? Yeah. So I got I got canceled. No. That's dramatic. Yeah. Think, and it made me remember it was like I went, I remember I went home, I cried with my mom, and then after that, I was just like this thing just, like, unlocked.

00;32;44;04 - 00;33;10;12
Unknown
And I was like, where was this memory? Like, why did this memory leave me? And I remember exactly when. And so this happened and it triggered my memory. And after that, the astral projections began again, but very aggressively. I gotta say, it was very painful physically because it felt like energy was like like coming out like an alien about to like, you know, explode.

00;33;10;14 - 00;33;25;26
Unknown
And I would be thrust into the ethers and, screaming. It was this nightmarish. Now it's not like that, but it used to be. And so, yeah, what was the question?

00;33;25;29 - 00;33;47;17
Unknown
Yeah. No, that answered my question. I mean, I was trying to get a picture of like, you know, how some astral projections are not necessarily while you're asleep. You know, you could be awake and it seems like you're trying you were just against your will, just astral projecting. So I think that's interesting. And it adds to the whole conversation like we were saying, the discussion of our lucid dreams and astral projection the same.

00;33;47;17 - 00;34;14;00
Unknown
And I agree with you. I think that they can be different and they have some overlap. But, you don't have to be asleep to astral project people do it all sorts of different ways. So yeah, there are there are differences for me, at least when I'm way into the dream. And that is, during an astral projection, you can be seen if the person is or just waking up.

00;34;14;02 - 00;34;35;05
Unknown
So if they're still in this liminal stage, you can be seen in a dream. It's not you're in your own like sort of world bubble. I don't know how to explain it. I have seen people dreaming in astral projection, so I've seen people. So if I'm out of body, I don't like to call it out of body because it's really an inner projection.

00;34;35;05 - 00;34;54;10
Unknown
But whatever. If I'm out of my body and I see a bubble, a person inside this dream bubble, and I know they're dreaming and I would. I used to mess with them when I was a, I would just be like, popping into their bubble and being like, hey. And then they would come to me the next day and be like, I had a dream about you.

00;34;54;10 - 00;35;27;25
Unknown
And I would be like, oh my God, you know, I didn't say anything, but, I understood that some people are just. And I don't know if you know, Allison, wake Dreamland. Doesn't sound familiar. She's a blond content creator from Germany. Maybe she doesn't make content, but she does. But in German now. But she used to be, in the dream community, and she, she and I talked about how some people looked like they were just floating drunk and unaware that they are in an astral projection.

00;35;27;25 - 00;35;48;18
Unknown
So I always say people astral project more than they think. They think they're dreaming, which is funny. That's funny. Okay, so it kind of aligns with some theories that I've just had from my personal experience. You know that bubble description that you talk about, like, I feel like we all have our own dream bubble that we can just do our own processing in, you know, storing memories, training for whatever.

00;35;48;18 - 00;36;08;03
Unknown
And then there's outside of our bubble, the ether beyond other dimensions, like things that I don't even know how to explain because I'm just a mere human. But, you know, and sometimes our bubbles might overlap, or we can share dreams with each other, or we can access the collective bubble, and then whatever's beyond that, who knows?

00;36;08;03 - 00;36;25;15
Unknown
But I do think that that kind of. That's why there's confusion of different types of dreams or different level dreams. Like maybe some lucid dreams. You're in your bubble, but some dreams. I travel very far away and I know that, and I feel it. And I come back with lessons or energy or something that I have to kind of recover from.

00;36;25;15 - 00;36;51;22
Unknown
So yeah, some dreams, we really do go places. Yeah. And that integration process after dreams is, is it is a it is a process. And you're right. Dream sharing is a very fascinating topic and I love it. I used to dream share a lot more than I do now because I it's been a while since I have a buddy, dream body in the dream scapes.

00;36;51;24 - 00;37;19;10
Unknown
I've been on a solo because of the book and because of my life. I've been on a solo, learning sphere. Solo. Humanly solo. But but I am out with, you know, in the digital collective connecting about dreams. But, yeah, it's been a long time since I've had, like, somebody as crazy as me, and we're like, see you tonight.

00;37;19;10 - 00;37;41;17
Unknown
You know? See you later. That's funny. Yeah, I used to do that a lot with some lucid dreamer friends. So if I ever get lucid, I'll see if I can find you. And maybe we can. Yeah, yeah. For lunch in the dream world. You know, I once made a dream world edible. Really? How? What was in it? Everything was edible.

00;37;41;19 - 00;38;04;28
Unknown
The. I was in a doc, and I was just ripping pieces of concrete or house and just eating it. It tastes good. Or did it tastes like concrete? No, it didn't taste like concrete. Tasted like, sweet, crackers, I don't know. Let's see. This was going to be another thing I wanted to ask you is, like, all the infinite possibilities of things you can do in a lucid dream.

00;38;04;28 - 00;38;28;22
Unknown
Like the random fun, therapeutic, or just crazy weird things like, what are some of your favorites? Like weird things you've tried in a dream or fun or whatever? Adjective. Well, eating the whole dream world was a good one. But I've also done something that I think is fun. I don't know if people think this is fun, but I have, initiated two dreams at the same time.

00;38;28;24 - 00;38;49;12
Unknown
Oh. Sounds hard. So you make one color and you make one black and white, but this is like, just for fun, I decided to think maybe I can be in two dreams at the same time. And it happened. And I was like, wow, that was awesome. You know, there are so many. But oh, there was one where I was like, I would give riddles to the dream world.

00;38;49;12 - 00;39;13;18
Unknown
I'd be like, okay, I want to be able to touch the sky. I want to be able to fly, but without leaving the ground. And I was like, do your thing, dream, you know? And the dream made me into a giant. It was like, move. Like I feel like Alice in Wonderland. Yeah. And I felt like I could see everything and it felt like flying.

00;39;13;20 - 00;39;36;08
Unknown
So things like that, I would, I loved, I loved interacting with the dream. I feel like the dream has a very good sense of humor and like a highly intelligent intelligence that knows you more than anybody, you know? Yeah, definitely. That greater intelligence behind the dream is something that a lot of people talk about. You know, authors and dreamers and creators in the field.

00;39;36;10 - 00;39;52;20
Unknown
For me, it's almost like like, yes, it's my dream and I have a part in creating it. But there is a part that's helping me co-created that is bigger than me. I don't know if it's my higher self, the universe, the collective, whatever you call it. But there is definitely like this bigger intelligence behind it. And I think that's cool.

00;39;52;20 - 00;40;11;27
Unknown
I'm those are giving me ideas of things to add to my lucid dream list. I have this long list of like, ultimate list of things to do and the dream that I always add to it. But I also love talking to dream characters. You know, finding out what you know, wisdom they have for me. I haven't tried the two dreams things, but I'm going to try it.

00;40;11;27 - 00;40;30;13
Unknown
I'm curious with the two dreams at the same time, how does that visualize in your, like, mind's eye? Is it like side to side or is it just, like, over each other and you're just somehow doing both? They were not over each other. They felt like it felt like they were side by side, but it just felt like that.

00;40;30;13 - 00;40;59;08
Unknown
But it wasn't like that. It was, literally like you're this is how you practice. This was like the ultimate multidimensional awareness practice for me. Because after that I was able to to apply that into different things, like tapping into different me's. But this was my beginning stage of practicing how to be, you know, in several places at the same time.

00;40;59;11 - 00;41;28;20
Unknown
But yeah, I mean, maybe your yours will. So everybody has their own, style that's going to come through, for example, the things that you like, how you tune into your I'm very visual person. So for me, everything is visual. But some people are more like sensory. Some people are more about hearing sounds or so it depends on your mix of things, how you would make that second dream.

00;41;28;20 - 00;41;49;19
Unknown
So you, you're bridge into the second dream depends on how you process things. That's cool. So making my making mine black and white was made sense to me because that is for me, something that I, I can focus on and make happen. Yeah. I'm a very visual artist kind of person too, so I think that will help me.

00;41;49;24 - 00;42;06;09
Unknown
I'll try it and I'll let you know how it goes. Sometimes it takes me a couple of dreams to to practice something. Yeah. It's not as easy as you know. Yeah, yeah, it's. That's cool. Okay. I know you have your thing in ten minutes, so we'll kind of wrap up soon, but one, maybe 1 or 2 more questions.

00;42;06;09 - 00;42;29;09
Unknown
So just now, you said that you use it sometimes to tap into different you or different versions of you. Can you elaborate on that? That sounds really cool. Do you mean like like alternate timeline versions or what do you mean by that? So this this, I didn't know what it was in the beginning. I would go into a dream that was already there.

00;42;29;11 - 00;42;52;07
Unknown
So it wasn't like a dream started, or it was like there was already a me in the dream. The dream doing something. And I was in her body, but I didn't know what the hell was going on. So that's how it began. Eventually. And she didn't care to explain. So I was clueless for a long time until.

00;42;52;07 - 00;43;03;19
Unknown
And I even made a video a long time ago about it in my YouTube. See, I made these videos and now I'm like, girl, like, why are you saying that? Out in the public?

00;43;03;22 - 00;43;36;16
Unknown
But, now I understand what it was. But it's so basically I as time went by, I could, I could embody her, but I could also be me. But then I could also understand she has a whole different mission with a whole different, thing. And my soul journeys evolved to meeting, parallel counterparts of my husband, of myself, of my higher self.

00;43;36;18 - 00;44;02;03
Unknown
And it was more than just a different higher self. It was like me, like me, me, me looking like me. Lots of me's, and yeah, so I became comfortable because that was my, my fear was to be multi-dimensional. Isn't it funny? It's like the one thing my fear was to be multi-dimensional, because I didn't like the idea that I don't know what they're doing.

00;44;02;05 - 00;44;31;26
Unknown
It's it's scary. It's I have control. Yeah. That's what I thought of, too. I was like, that sounds but cool at the same time. You know, I trust them. They're doing what they need to do. Yes, but that took me time to be like, I trust that I am me no matter where I am. But yeah, it was it was interesting to to be in like when I was in the same place with my husband and his parallel self.

00;44;31;28 - 00;45;08;04
Unknown
The parallel husband was not married, so he hadn't met me in his life. So. But as soon as we are in a shared space, he is my husband. So he understood. We understood the assignment like as like in the shared bubble. He knows that I am married to him, his counterpart. So he treats me as his wife, even though not like kissing me or anything, but respecting me, honoring that part that he doesn't have in his world.

00;45;08;06 - 00;45;37;18
Unknown
And he showed us his world and later, later, later on, years later, my guides showed me, told me that he found me. Oh, I had forgotten about these experiences. And my guys just came and said, Dimitri, Dimitri from that life found already found Jennifer from that life. And I was like, and they said, you guys are pretty much paired up in a lot of lives already.

00;45;37;21 - 00;46;04;27
Unknown
And they showed me, like, it looked like a gazillion us, because they were showing me this because we had, like, our after seven years, we've been together for like 27 years. We had like, our shadow work relationship moment where we didn't know how how to make it work. He was with his shadow work. I was with my shadow and it was just like a horrible shit show, where we didn't understand what we were supposed to be doing.

00;46;04;29 - 00;46;25;27
Unknown
We were having, like, growing pains within the relationship, and they showed me this, this image. They were like, but you're the missing piece of this, like, beautiful tapestry. Tapestry of you guys being together in a lot of lives, and you're ruining it by not communicating or whatever. So we were we worked through it and through through a lot of depth.

00;46;25;27 - 00;46;42;24
Unknown
We actually, like, evolved really well into a harmonious relationship. But it's no, there's ups and downs. So. Yeah. Oh, that's so touching. That gives me goosebumps. That's like when you wake up from a dream and you're like, oh my God, I saw the person in my dreams. And then you meet them in real life and it's like, I know you already.

00;46;42;24 - 00;47;03;22
Unknown
I've seen you in a dream. But then it's like, do I know you? It's just a weird feeling. And then it's like, yeah, things are connected beyond what we consciously know. So that's super cool. You guys are a, a testimony of that. Yeah. We have a lot of stories, that there's no denying that we are meant to share.

00;47;03;24 - 00;47;41;01
Unknown
I think I think we facilitate each other's mission as individuals. So I think that's what makes it work. Like, if we didn't have this grounding container, that is a relationship, we wouldn't have the courage and strength to pursue our own projects in the speed that we do. Because, as you know, when you're have when you have a tumultuous relationship or when you are not in one because you know, you're going through your own healing or whatever the reason that was my my reason for not being in a relationship.

00;47;41;04 - 00;48;05;26
Unknown
It's hard to focus on a project. Oh, yeah. You know, it's like you're just trying to survive. So, I think being in a, grounded relationship in the last, like, you know, the second half of our of our marriage has allowed me to to actually enjoy my creative process and not worry about stupid shit. Yeah, I love that.

00;48;05;26 - 00;48;22;07
Unknown
What a good journey. You've had a long, tough one, I'm sure, but I'm proud of how far you've come and all the work you've done in, you know, bringing conscious souls into this world, putting good content out there, putting out a book. I really love that. We'll stay in tune for sure. So where can people find you?

00;48;22;07 - 00;48;50;29
Unknown
Like, if they want to see your content, learn more about you. Stay in touch. Well, I'm on, YouTube, under Jennifer Clara Guerra and Ancient Dreamers. Ancient dreamers. YouTube is, my guided meditations and and Jennifer Clara Guerra. It is more of the, dream stuff. Dream talks and things. But I'm also on Instagram as ancient dreamers and TikTok ancient dreamers.

00;48;50;29 - 00;49;18;04
Unknown
I'm mainly on TikTok, to be honest. I feel like there's a flow in life, like my life in the digital. Let's say the digital sphere has a flow and it's not in in Facebook and Instagram. For me, the only reason I post on Instagram is because I have you guys. You know that there's the dream community has been there for a while and it's like posting for my friends.

00;49;18;04 - 00;49;41;21
Unknown
But TikTok, I feel like is where the flow of people are. Yeah, and I'm more interested in that. And like, it's just something I sense. I don't know if that's going to change or not, but, it's where it's at for me right now. People think that TikTok is just people dancing around, but you can basically train your algorithm to not do that.

00;49;41;23 - 00;49;59;00
Unknown
Yeah, TikTok has a lot of new people. I get most of my views from there as well. And oh yeah, yeah, I think I mean, that's where I have the most following. I follow you there. That's where I see most of your content. Yeah, I think, I think I post the most there and then I just take those videos and just dump them on other platforms.

00;49;59;00 - 00;50;16;00
Unknown
But I, I've been trying to get more active. You know, I go through this love hate relationship with social media and then me too. It's it's sucks sometimes. It's very discouraging sometimes. But I've been trying to use the features go live more because I know people appreciate the content I make. So I'm going to keep doing it, you know?

00;50;16;02 - 00;50;53;01
Unknown
But I don't. For me, it's like TikTok open something intuitive in the algorithm. For me. So I almost feel like it's and I maybe that's different for each person. I don't know. That's cool. Well, I'm glad you're on TikTok, so keep doing what you're doing and I will continue to support. Thank you. Yeah, likewise. I always like hearing and you're you're always full of life and energy, and you seem genuinely interested in the topic versus just regurgitating, you know, facts or something like, I feel your passion and that always.

00;50;53;01 - 00;51;13;26
Unknown
That's why I watch them. So thanks. Yeah. You know, I try to always come with facts and science, but I think what people I've noticed, what's more valuable is like my agreements. Oh you're good. What's more valuable I've noticed is like my personal experience is like, oh, I had this dream and this happened, and people gravitate more towards that than like some fact from Google.

00;51;13;26 - 00;51;38;04
Unknown
So. Well, you have excitement. You know, it's like you have, you're, you're breathing life to the topics with your energy and with your excitement. Oh thank you. I like I like a sense of humor too. Like I am goofier than people think. I'm just a gigantic goofball. So I do say things with a straight face, which is my my husband sometimes.

00;51;38;04 - 00;52;00;28
Unknown
Like, I don't think people knew you were joking. I'm like, what I do. And that's what I find hilarious because I say things with a serious face a lot. Like, I recently did a funny matrix video, which I call it funny. I still believe in what I said, but I did it in a funny way. About the matrix being related to the mother in the womb.

00;52;01;01 - 00;52;22;08
Unknown
But, because of Mother's Day. But yeah, I like I like people who make me laugh too, as well as have fun with their content. You know, I'm always, I always get sad when somebody loses, interest in, like, when you saw them so excited for a few years and then, you know, they lost interest.

00;52;22;09 - 00;52;44;15
Unknown
I was like, I'm over here. I have, like, a graveyard of creators that I don't. Same, I think I still mourn. Yeah, there's a link to the page to something else, and it's not a dream page anymore. Now it's like somewhat. Yeah, I've seen some of those. Yeah. I will say I've started making more diversified content just about travel and stuff, but I'm never going to stop talking about dreams like, yeah.

00;52;44;15 - 00;53;09;02
Unknown
Because you, you're still you're still talking about your life, you know? Exactly. Yeah. It's part of my life. And it will always be, you know, even though there's many other things in my life which I'm going to start integrating into my TikTok. But dreams is top for me. Pleasant dreams is about symbolic, language. And I feel like, you can live in a symbolic way and like, you can show dream work in.

00;53;09;02 - 00;53;30;17
Unknown
Yes, good practices, you know? So I feel like, even content showing pieces of a person's life is valuable. Like, I love it when I see something different in a content creators page that shows a little bit more a look into their authentic life, you know what I mean? Yeah. So yeah, it's good that you're integrating that. Thanks.

00;53;30;17 - 00;53;47;15
Unknown
Yeah, exactly. Because dream work goes into every part of my life. So I'm just going to start showing that, you know, so yeah, it's it's awesome. I love doing it. I love what we do. And I know it's just a small part, but somehow connected to everything else that we're involved in. So keep doing what you're doing.

00;53;47;15 - 00;54;07;07
Unknown
Yeah. And I really appreciate you coming on here and just sharing some of your stories and good energy with me. It's it's been great to catch up. Oh, yeah. Thank you. Thank you for inviting me. I'm always down to speak about dreams or anything. Consciousness really. But, so yeah, we'll do a part two sometime in the future.

00;54;07;10 - 00;54;25;14
Unknown
Yeah.