EP114: A Field Guide to the DMT Realm

In this episode of The Dream World Podcast, I’m joined by author and researcher David J. Brown and artist and futurist Sara Phinn Huntley to explore the fascinating world of DMT entities.

We dive into their collaborative book, The Illustrated Field Guide to DMT Entities, and discuss the recurring beings reported across psychedelic journeys, lucid dreams, meditation, and other altered states of consciousness. From machine elves and mantis beings to mythological archetypes, this conversation explores the overlap between science, spirituality, and subjective experience.

Together, we discuss:

• What DMT is and why it's called “the spirit molecule”
• Common entities reported across DMT experiences
• The famous “machine elves” and mantis beings
• Parallels between DMT, lucid dreaming, and meditation
• Whether these entities exist independently of the mind
• Harm reduction and responsible exploration
• Using dreams as a natural gateway to altered states
• The intersection of art, technology, and psychedelic research

David and Sara also share how they cataloged hundreds of reports from research, folklore, and personal experiences to create a visual “field guide” to non-human intelligences encountered in altered states. 

This episode explores one of the biggest questions in consciousness research:
Are these beings psychological archetypes — or something more?

📘 Get their book:
The Illustrated Field Guide to DMT Entities
https://www.amazon.com/Illustrated-Field-Guide-Entities-Interdimensional/dp/1644119196

Transcript

Sara:I've had so many trips over the years that I've sort of been blessed to encounter a lot of the different archetypes that are a part of the book. But I would say probably the one that made the most impact is kind of just the most classic and is the self transforming rationales. I think in a way it's because they sort of embody something that is sort of straddling multiple different archetypes.

You know, they're not quite cyborgs or robots, but they do have mechanical properties, and they do kind of remind us of mischievous elves and things from folklore, but they kind of have this, like, new, interpretive quality. So I think probably because the machine elves sort of embody this sort of like archaic but futuristic description that Terence was really able to nail.

Amina: I'm excited to have you both back on my podcast. I've talked to you individually, separately. So it's cool to have more like group dynamics. So welcome back to the Dreamworld podcast. I have here today Sara Huntley. She is, an artist and author. She explores psychedelics and tech and VR. Really cool things. And then David J.

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Unknown
Brown, who is also an author and researcher, and they just explore these other worlds and together they wrote a book called The Illustrated Field Guide to DMT entities, which is really awesome. Can't really see it, but I have it right here. And I love it. I'm really excited to get into this and, yeah, really kind of curious what inspired you to coming together to, like, make this creative, informative, educational, like creation you made?

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Unknown
Well, first of all, thank you for that, for that great introduction. And it's great to see you again. And I'm great to see you, Sarah, as well. Sarah and Sarah and I have been, have been really good friends for, for, for decades, for almost 20 years. And we've, we spent a lot of time exploring consciousness.

00;02;14;19 - 00;02;39;09
Unknown
Together. And, and that was what, what, what inspired our latest creation, the illustrated, your guide to the entity entities. It was, it was something that came out of, a psychedelic experience that we shared maybe around, 12 years ago when we were, tripping together one day in the Santa Cruz Mountains and, we thought, you know, we were talking about just how interesting was that?

00;02;39;13 - 00;03;15;24
Unknown
So many people have reported, such similar, consistent, reports of the different types of, entities that people that people encounter during their, during their DMT or shamanic, experiences or during alien abductions or during, other types of altered state experiences. And, we thought, wouldn't it be fun to, to put together a, you know, something like the, the, the Golden Guide, field guides that I used to love as a child, where you could look at all the different animal species or plant species and try to identify them in the wild.

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Unknown
I used to collect all the different reptiles and amphibians and non flowering plants and different things. And we thought, wouldn't it be just wonderful to to do this with, with the non-human entities that are so commonly encountered on our ayahuasca experiences and DMT journeys and, you know, the, the praying mantis entities, the reptilians, the, the great aliens, the self transforming machine elves, etc. and we thought we can put it together in the same style as, as the field guides.

00;03;46;25 - 00;04;12;07
Unknown
And that was the original inspiration around 12 years ago. And Sarah and I discussed doing this, for years. And, during that time, DMT became a very, a very much more well known when when we were discussing it, it was it was still a pretty obscure psychedelic, and even though it's, it's naturally found in the human body and it's, it's ubiquitous, throughout nature.

00;04;12;09 - 00;04;37;15
Unknown
It's, it's still pretty mysterious, but, more and more people sort of discovered it, and there's been a lot more scientific research into it. And, in the last couple of years, Sarah and I figured it's really time to start doing this. So that was, that was how we got started. And then we worked for a couple of years on the project, and I wrote the descriptions, and Sarah did the, the wonderful illustrations and artwork that accompany the book.

00;04;37;15 - 00;05;18;15
Unknown
And, and we also invited, a number of other artists to contribute as well. So that was how it happened, I love that, yeah, the visuals are just beautiful. I love what you guys did there, Sarah. What was that like for you? Like, kind of coordinating the art and the visuals. It was a crazy adventure. Nothing quite like it had been attempted before in terms of, you know, taking such a big catalog of people's trip reports, both from clinical research as well as anecdotal experiences that have been shared online for a number of years, decades, even through, like your weird and shimmery in different forms, as well as, like I mentioned before,

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Unknown
the clinical research, for many years it just seemed like the impossible dream because it's so many images to try to collect into a single publication with, like a publishing deadline that made it like the impossible mountain to climb, to get quality images that would do justice to those states, done in a time frame that would work for publication.

00;05;45;13 - 00;06;13;00
Unknown
And it was when, Midjourney, the large language model image generation software, became available to the public that I realized we could leverage that and take all of these beautiful trip reports and sort of create, you know, these aggregates for the different entities and use it as sort of like a paintbrush to the collective consciousness. And that seemed to make it possible.

00;06;13;00 - 00;06;44;10
Unknown
But even then, the beginning of embarking on that journey, I realized how much work it was going to be anyway. It's definitely not a 1 to 1 process. And so throughout the production, we created about 3000 different images for these 25 different entities. And so it was very much kind of like generating little wanted posters, you know, for these different entities and kind of doing a B testing and figuring out, you know, which one is closer to the mark.

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Unknown
And and then it's just it's just a complex process in the workflow of compositing them and doing a lot of overpainting. And so it was it was a journey, but it was also so exciting because like I mentioned before, nothing really had been attempted on that level. And so I felt like you know, an explorer in a, in a new dynamic, not just from a psychoanalytic perspective, but, you know, using this new technology and watching it evolve in real time right in front of me.

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Unknown
And remember, at one point there was a major software update with Midjourney, and I pretty much had to throw out two and a half, three months of R&D because this new, you know, model that had been dropped was so much more sophisticated. And the material that was being generated as like the raw content that we would, you know, be using for the images just was of such a, a higher degree of quality.

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Unknown
And so, it was really like learning to, you know, interface with this new dynamic with language as well as software, and then also just soaking my brain and all these beautiful trip reports and descriptions of people's experiences for the better part of two years and a really in-depth process. I had been sort of like a armchair connoisseur of people's trip reports to begin with, but it's a whole nother level when you're trying to do justice to, you know, these collective visions and sort of create something that multiple people will be able to look at and have that feeling, that uncanny feeling of like, oh, that's what I saw.

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Unknown
So it was a real honor and a privilege. It was also a lot of fun. But I also just had like a really high caliber of, quality control that I wanted to apply to the process. So it was a lot of work, but it was totally worth it. And like I said, it was a total treat and honor to be like at that frontier of technology.

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Unknown
Yeah. That's awesome. And I mean, you guys did a great job because it's something that really bridges art, technology and science really well, which I think is so important. And a new layer of that is like valuing that subjective experience and like, you know, what people say that they saw during their experience. You know, even though maybe it doesn't fit into materialist view.

00;09;01;26 - 00;09;28;27
Unknown
So that's really cool. How do you think that this book and, you know, your other works is in general helps to like, bridge that gap between, like science, you know, the study of, like psychedelics and, and like subjective reports. But in my life mission, I really feel like, you ever since I, I've been a teenager, I've been trying to work to bridge exactly that science and spirituality and and and art and, and psychedelics.

00;09;28;27 - 00;09;51;18
Unknown
I think that's really been the four factors that I felt is my, my mission and that every one of my books has sort of addressed that and, in a different way. This was, this was certainly one of the most, one of the most fun, and most ambitious, I think attempts to to really to catalog so many people's, types of experiences.

00;09;51;18 - 00;10;13;28
Unknown
But it was, it was, like you say, it was really interdisciplinary. You know, we really tried to draw from many different fields when we were doing the book. We, we, we drew from the, you know, from the scientific research that was, that was being done by and by Rick Strassmann and, and the extended state, studies that were being done at Imperial College in London and elsewhere.

00;10;13;28 - 00;10;43;22
Unknown
And there's now, quite a bit of scientific research going on into DMT. And of course, you know, a huge percentage of people, report contact with these types of entities. Then we also, drew from the, alien abduction, phenomenon reports, where there is an incredible amount of overlap as well as from, you know, centuries or a fairy sightings and, people that talk about being abducted by fairies and, and other types of non-human beings.

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Unknown
And, we also drew from the, the scientific surveys that have been done and, the many, reports that we, come through on, on the internet and, there are literally, you know, hundreds if not thousands, and I even I interviewed, you know, many people for the book as well, different scientists and other people who have had experiences themselves.

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Unknown
So we really did try to, try to try to bridge these different disciplines and draw from different areas and, and integrate them and, and the best way that we could. Yeah. Awesome. And for maybe I know you touched on like a lot of different psychedelics and different ways to achieve these journeys, but, I want to really kind of highlight DMT here for a second.

00;11;27;03 - 00;11;51;17
Unknown
Can you give me like an intro on like what it is and like, why has it been called the spirit molecule? What makes it so special? You know, DMT is is just, this incredible mystery. It stands for Dimethyltryptamine. It's a very simple molecule. It's, derived from tryptophan, an essential amino acid. It, it, you know, this, tryptophan becomes, serotonin and melatonin in the brain.

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Unknown
It's only a couple of steps away from serotonin. And it's ubiquitously, found throughout nature. It's almost everywhere. And there's, like, there's hardly a plant or an animal that, that doesn't have it, somewhere, at least in trace amounts. In fact, every every glass of orange juice that you drink has trace amounts of DMT. It's it's floating around in both of our bodies and all of our bodies, all three of our bodies right now.

00;12;15;27 - 00;12;55;07
Unknown
It's just it's sort of everywhere. And as Dennis McKenna, the ethnobotanist, says, it's nature is just drenched in DMT. And, you know, it's so mysterious because no biochemist has has even the faintest idea of what function it serves. There's all these theories about it being a neurotransmitter in the brain, a hormone throughout the body, that it in some people like Rick Strassman, who did some of the initial DMT research at the University of New Mexico, believe that it's, you know, possibly instrumental in the the near-death experience, which is which is why, there's a lot of similarities in why you asked why it was, called the Spirit Molecule because there

00;12;55;07 - 00;13;14;20
Unknown
were so many similarities with the near-death experience. Some people have speculated that it could be related to dreaming, and, you know, that, perhaps our DMT levels escalate at night when we're, when we're asleep. There were some reports of them being, being higher at around 3:00 Am and other times, other times of the day.

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Unknown
But I think some of those studies have been debunked, so I'm not even sure if that's true. But, and there is a, you know, Andrew Gallimore is always trying to distinguish the differences between, between DMT and dreaming, but, but, you know, but what's so fascinating is that when you, when you escalate, your, your natural, endogenous, levels of DMT artificially by, by ingesting it as a drug, then, wildly and wonderfully and mysteriously, you're transported to another dimension that's, that's that's, fully coherent, that's fully stable, that's, as, as, you know, you can look around, you're immersed in another world.

00;13;54;16 - 00;14;13;06
Unknown
And what's most, what's most amazing is that that it's a populated world. There are there are beings, there are entities. They are highly intelligent, super intelligent entities that seem to know it's better than we know ourselves and, that you can interact with and that are eager to communicate with us and show us things and teach us things.

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Unknown
And it's just, it's one of the most profound things, I think, that a human being can experience. And, and, you know, and and there it is everywhere. DMT is everywhere. So it's this, you know, it's this very, very profound mystery. And, and, and that's, that's largely what inspired us to look into it so deeply.

00;14;34;00 - 00;14;59;02
Unknown
Yeah. And during each of your journeys, would you say that you had practices to contact, you know, or seek out, you know, advice from these beings, or was it more of a spontaneous visit type of experience? For me personally, I really approach a lot of my, DMT experiences in particular, trying not to have any, agendas or preconceived notions.

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Unknown
I personally don't really go out there hoping for anything like, you know, personal or healing. I know that probably sounds odd, but I very much have always wanted to approach it more as just somebody curious and learning about what they are on their terms, and then trying to remove as much as possible my own personal assumptions or interpretations of the information that comes at me.

00;15;28;18 - 00;15;59;00
Unknown
Of course, on some level that's always going to be impossible. Like we're always seeing the world and our experience filtered through some kind of lens of the personal and the subjective. But yeah, I've always sort of just tried to go into the experience with as much, calm energy as possible. I've always tried to eliminate as much anxiety as possible going into it.

00;15;59;03 - 00;16;30;10
Unknown
Which is kind of silly because it is very much like a roller coaster ride, you know, it's a very intense experience. But, for the sake of trying to keep those personal emotions from getting in the way of how the experience unfolds, that's been a really big part of essentially what you could call a practice. But for me, that doesn't really look like anything more ritualistic than just centering myself and maybe some deep breathing and making sure that I'm well hydrated.

00;16;30;10 - 00;16;57;09
Unknown
And all of the self-care stuff is taking care of, you know, prior to my journey and taking into consideration classic, settings setting protocol, but yeah, I think that it's done a pretty good job of keeping the experiences that I've had. Very keyed in to just the basics of like, what is the nature of this experience?

00;16;57;09 - 00;17;21;07
Unknown
What is the nature of the contact that people experience when they describe something as like the other? What does that mean? And, I find that it's been really helpful for me, other catalysts in my life I might go into with a little bit more of like an interpersonal, goal or, for lack of a better word, like agenda.

00;17;21;07 - 00;17;49;15
Unknown
Right? You know, just like a laundry list of things, like whether it's, it's, psilocybin or LSD or, or other, you know, psychedelic medicines. I tend to reserve those for more interpersonal work, but for DMT, I really do like to just go at it as an astronaut and have that kind of singular purpose of just letting it be what it wants to be and show me what it wants to show me.

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Unknown
But I know that everybody has their own personal relationship with the medicine, and that just happens to be like what I was kind of called to do in regards to it. But, yeah, I'm very grateful for, you know, the, the number of journeys that I've had because after a while, even though you're always excited and always nervous, once you've had a number of experiences, it does get for some people, at least in my case, it does get a little easier.

00;18;17;29 - 00;18;48;25
Unknown
I don't know if it's akin to something like, you know, being a skydiver or being a roller coaster enthusiast. It's like, you know, that there's a baked in part of it that's still going to be wild and radical, but you kind of know what you're getting into at a certain point. And so it's a little bit easier. There's always going to be excitement, but learning how to transform that feeling of excitement into enthusiasm instead of letting it make you nervous, but that's sort of just been my personal practice with it is really approaching it like an astronaut.

00;18;48;28 - 00;19;15;20
Unknown
Yeah, I love that. That's great. And I love how you guys, you know, are showing all these different archetypes and characters that you, you know, brought together to like, represent which ones like which chapter or entity kind of stood out to you the most or like was a big part of like your experiences? I've had so many trips over the years that I've sort of been blessed to encounter a lot of the different archetypes that are part of the book.

00;19;15;22 - 00;19;49;28
Unknown
But I would say probably the one that made the most impact is kind of just the most classic and is the self transforming machine house. I think in a way it's because they sort of embody something that is sort of straddling multiple different archetypes. You know, they're not quite cyborgs or robots, but they do have mechanical properties, and they do kind of remind us of mischievous elves and things from folklore, but they kind of have this, like, new, interpretive quality.

00;19;50;06 - 00;20;24;23
Unknown
So I think probably because the machine elves sort of embody this sort of like archaic but futuristic description that Terrence was really able to nail in his own personal experiences and articulate it so well and share it with the greater psychoanalytic culture. I think that's probably my my most favorite personally. Because in a way, a lot of my experiences initially looks like they might be like jesters or clowns, but they were sort of stripped of, you know, normal, qualities that would identify them as clown like.

00;20;24;23 - 00;20;50;26
Unknown
And they really just seemed like fractal in Harlequin patchwork, kind of stained glass looking entities. But their jovial ness, their mischievousness and playfulness, how does that kind of dovetail or overlap with the machine? So I feel like in a way, they're one of the few archetypes that has this quality where they can kind of leak into our perception of other archetypes.

00;20;50;26 - 00;21;11;03
Unknown
And that was something that I noticed with a lot of the different categories. As I was working with Midjourney in general and putting in the raw data from people's trip reports, is that some of the the more exotic fairies that I was generating did look like machine elves. And some of you know, the goblins would look a little bit like elves.

00;21;11;03 - 00;21;37;27
Unknown
And so there's this kind of spectrum that I felt was sort of making itself more phenomenologically apparent with it. But they do sort of seem to be these linguistic markers that people sort of tag that like a meta tag or a hashtag when they have more of a visual affinity for what they're seeing or the vibe, you know, maybe just like the unspoken energy of the experience.

00;21;38;00 - 00;22;04;13
Unknown
But I personally really enjoyed the self transforming machine elves. I really enjoyed, the mythological beings as well, because I grew up with like a deep fascination with mythology. So that was really fun to approach that, whether it's, you know, Germanic kobolds or, you know, the jinn of the Middle East. And, yeah, it was just super fascinating on a bunch of different levels.

00;22;04;13 - 00;22;36;00
Unknown
But I think it was like the conversation between them that I found the most intriguing. Yeah, I love that. Yeah. You know, that's that's an interesting do I mean, in terms of which are the entities in the book, if I had the most personal contact unexperienced with my oh, my, my very first DMT experience, I encountered a mantis being like a giant praying mantis that was doing all kinds of experiments on my brain and, and, manipulating my states of consciousness and fine tuning some aspect of my mind.

00;22;36;00 - 00;23;01;15
Unknown
And, so that was what really got me interested in the entities to begin with. So that so the chapter on mantis entities was, was it was especially, intriguing and and really stood out, from my personal experience, the, the octopus entities, octopus entities, beings with, with tentacles and, and, multiple brains.

00;23;01;18 - 00;23;46;14
Unknown
They I've also had experience encountering those and, and they, they sort of they really stood out, the, the self transforming machine elves, partially because I think they're sort of, it's it's sort of becoming a ubiquitous term in the psychedelic culture for, for, for almost any DMT entities. And it seems like there's a lot of, almost transformation or a lot of, similarity, between the way that the DMT entities can almost transform into fairy like entities or can transform into, into other elf like beings or into gray aliens or so there's, transformative quality to them that I think, really, really,

00;23;46;16 - 00;24;09;04
Unknown
comes close to my own personal experience in that it was sometimes hard to, to, to completely categorize them. But, in any case, those are some of the, the encounters that I had or some of the experiences that really stood out that were, described in the book. That's awesome. Yeah. I love, love the visuals. It really captures like, the essence and like the energy of each one.

00;24;09;06 - 00;24;32;04
Unknown
And I really feel connected to a lot of them as well. So I'll put some of the visuals up on, on the recording. But, another thing I wanted to ask you guys was, how do you like address? Like you know, reducing harm, responsible exploration, like, without romanticizing it, you know, how do you guys approach that in, like, a safe way to people that are like encountering your work?

00;24;32;06 - 00;24;59;09
Unknown
Well, the book isn't in any way, encouraging people to, to, to, to do these things. This is sort of just work. We're just trying to map the territory and, and draw from people's experiences. It's not a guidebook for, for doing DMT and in any way. And that's not something that we even remotely try to encourage. We're just trying to draw from the reports and the scientific research, that has been done in trying to help map the terrain.

00;24;59;11 - 00;25;30;20
Unknown
So we're not really trying to set up, guidelines for, for, for doing this. That's not what the book is about. But but if, if, you know, if people are drawn to doing these things, I mean, I certainly don't I don't encourage to do anything illegal. Certainly they should educate themselves tremendously. And, and if they were to do a powerful psychedelic like DMT in, in DMT is probably by far and away the most powerful psychedelic there is certainly not something to start with.

00;25;30;22 - 00;26;00;27
Unknown
Then, it should certainly should be done with, you know, a responsible, you know, psychotherapist who understand is or shaman or someone who has a great deal of personal experience with this and, and could, could help with, most important thing, of course, is set, you know, set in setting the, the, you know, the state of your mind that you go into the experience with and the, and the, you know, environment, the people that you're with when you do it, that it's a safe and secure environment.

00;26;01;00 - 00;26;20;01
Unknown
So, so those are, you know, just very rough sort of, safety guidelines for people that, that do experiment with these things. But that's, you know, I'm only saying this in a way that, you know, as a harm reduction type thing. It's we're certainly not encouraging people to go out there and, and do DMT. That's not what it's about.

00;26;20;03 - 00;26;58;24
Unknown
Right? Yeah, of course it makes total sense. You know, that's a good disclaimer. But even, you know, DMT and psychedelics aside, do you think that these different beings and entities like, can we reach them in dream space or in meditation or through other forms of altered states of consciousness? Oh, I think I absolutely that was, that was that was sort of the, part of the inspiration for doing the book is that many of these types of entities seem to, to appear not just in the, you know, the DMT space, but in the alien abduction phenomena and, and lucid dream experiences, and, you know, many different altered states of

00;26;58;24 - 00;27;31;24
Unknown
consciousness and states of deep meditation. So, you know, that was what I think gives a sort of credibility, to this, that they have a possible independent existence, you know, that is, you know, it's not just a drug induced hallucination. In other words, they're they're reported across a wide spectrum of, different types of experiences. And, and for people who, you know, I was just talking to someone the other day about this, you know, you can you can have actually a full blown DMT experience by doing DMT in a lucid dream.

00;27;31;27 - 00;27;50;22
Unknown
I mean, I I've done this, many times actually. And it's, it's, it's really almost no different than, than doing and doing it as a drug and waking reality. I'm not really sure if you need to have had a, you know, waking reality experience with it because I, I didn't try doing it a dream until I had done it in waking reality.

00;27;50;22 - 00;28;13;01
Unknown
And I'm really curious, actually, to know what kind of experiences people have if they try having a DMT experience in a lucid dream for the first time as, as their as their introduction to it. But, but I was just telling this to someone the other day who said that they were, you know, frightened of doing DMT and, and it can be extremely scary, you know, it takes it takes great courage.

00;28;13;01 - 00;28;31;11
Unknown
It's not. That's something that I would say is, is is necessarily fun to do. It's more like something that's, you know, that's a great adventure, but, but doing it inside of a lucid dream is, I think, a way, a great way to, to access the, the same, the same types of entities and experience.

00;28;31;13 - 00;28;50;13
Unknown
Yeah. Awesome. Well, if anybody listening tries it out, let us know. And we can, you know, see how it goes. Take in the anecdotes. That's awesome. So where can people buy the book? And, you know, also find out about your other works that you've done. Like, I know David, you've written so many books and Sarah, you have so much art and awesome things out there that you're working on.

00;28;50;13 - 00;29;19;14
Unknown
So where can we keep up with what you are doing? Well, our book was published by Inner Traditions. Who's published my, my, my last, my last 5 or 6 books, I think. I can't even remember. Maybe my last. I think this is my seventh book that they've published. And, so the Inner Traditions website, which is also going to be publishing the, the Oracle deck that Sarah and I are currently working on, that's based on the DMT entities that we're doing with Doctor Rachel Turetsky.

00;29;19;17 - 00;29;38;04
Unknown
The books are available, of course, on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, all the major booksellers carry those. And all my other books I've written 19 books about, as I said at the beginning, trying to integrate science and spirituality and art and psychedelics. So all of my books, in one way or another, are sort of addressing that, that phenomena.

00;29;38;11 - 00;30;06;12
Unknown
Yeah. You can find me on, primarily, I would say for social on Instagram as well as Twitter. You can find me at Dream Seed, underscore VR on Instagram, and I do a lot of, publishing of my recent Substack articles there, as well as just pieces of art and random insights and different updates. I'm currently rebuilding my website, which will be available in the next few weeks.

00;30;06;12 - 00;30;37;08
Unknown
That's Serafin huntley.com, and I spell fin as you probably see it here in our chat. It's CNN. But yeah, I, I'm really thrilled about, the body of work that I've been creating on Substack for people. And I'm very excited to be relaunching my YouTube channel sometime soon as well. I cover a lot of, topics about psychedelics, but I also cover a lot of futurism, as well as tech and ethics and sort of the the overlap between those different topics.

00;30;37;08 - 00;30;58;07
Unknown
And yeah, you can find, my, my artwork on all those different mediums as well as, my written work. But yeah, it's been really awesome connecting with you again. I always love being on your podcast. Thanks. Yeah, it's been great to chat with you all and catch up about what y'all have been working on. So obviously I'll share all the links and everything.

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But yeah, we'll definitely have to stay in touch and all that. Absolutely. Yes. This has been a great pleasure. I should also mention, I forgot to say I had a team in touch with me. My my website is, it's the David J. Brown.com, and you can find me on Facebook and Instagram, as well. So that's how people can reach me.

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Perfect. Awesome. Sounds good.

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