In this episode, Paul Fraser takes some time to do a "State of the Union" podcast for the 50th episode. In the podcast, Paul takes time to encourage all leaders, planters and multipliers to engage 5 areas moving forward in our ministries. He talks about:
1) Spiritual Dependency
2) Disciple-making Culture
3) Future Church
4) Bridge Building
5) Healthy Leadership
*warning: both the beginning and the end of the podcast have a higher "cheesiness" factor than normal. We are aware and in no way think we are being clever or witty.
In this episode, Paul Fraser takes some time to do a "State of the Union" podcast for the 50th episode. In the podcast, Paul takes time to encourage all leaders, planters and multipliers to engage 5 areas moving forward in our ministries. He talks about:
1) Spiritual Dependency
2) Disciple-making Culture
3) Future Church
4) Bridge Building
5) Healthy Leadership
*warning: both the beginning and the end of the podcast have a higher "cheesiness" factor than normal. We are aware and in no way think we are being clever or witty.
Welcome to the Multiply Network Podcast, a podcast created to champion church multiplication, provide learning and inspiring new....(static radio noises)....(news report music building) We interrupt this regularly scheduled programing to bring you some breaking news. The Multiply Network podcast has hit their fiftieth episode. Insiders are calling this not really newsworthy, but on a slow news cycle day, this is good enough. We go now to the Multiply Network host, Paul Fraser, for what we can expect in the fiftieth episode.(crowd chatter in background) Thanks so much. We are just minutes away from hearing the first ever State of the Union podcast from the Multiple Network. To say that there is a buzz in the air would be an overstatement. But there's definitely some curiosity to what a Multiply Network State of the Union podcast could be like. Some people we've talked to today are wondering, is this just a repeat of episode number 43 with General Superintendent Reverend David Wells? But we've seen some leaked transcripts from the Multiple Network media team and have revealed basically the five big areas they're going to be talking about
today:spiritual dependency, disciple making culture, future church, bridge building and healthy leadership. We don't have any more details other than that. We're going to sit and listen with the rest of you. And I think we're just about ready to go. And so we're going to hand it over to the Multiple Network team.(big band marching music, followed by applause)(jazzy piano music playing in background) Well, thanks for sticking with this. I know it's a bit cheesy but I hope you got a few giggles out of it (laughter soundtrack) Just reflecting on the fiftieth episode and all the amazing guests and conversations and interviews we've had. And, of course, there is some biblical significance to 50. I'll leave that for you to wrestle with if there is any for podcasting. But fifty's good. You know, 50 push ups. If you could do 50 push ups that would be good. 50 sit ups. If you could run for 50 minutes, if you could even curl 50 pounds, that'd be pretty solid. And if you had a fifty dollar gift card at Tim Hortons, that could go a long way. So we're doing the Multiply Network State of the Union. You may wonder, like, why are you doing that? Paul, it doesn't make any sense. This was something I did when I was a district youth director back in the day in Alberta Northwest Territories district, and often during our yearly time out, I would take some time to share vision, some things that I'm noticing, maybe some common struggles, because I had the privilege of connecting with people all over the province and, you know, kind of having that 10000 foot perspective. So I wanted to encourage them but also speak to change. And so I thought, well, since I'm at a national level, you know, I'm noticing some things and I want to encourage you and speak to some change. And so the next however many minutes, these are some of the thoughts that I've gathered from other leaders. Some of them, obviously, I have of my own. And it's going to be more of a, you know, a buffet of ideas. So hopefully one or two will stick with you. I think the hope is for this podcast is you walk away with a couple of things to think about, a couple of things to talk about, pray about, because I think we would all agree that we need to see some change in Canada. And I believe if Canada wins, the world is going to win. And so we've got a role to play here as the church in Canada. So I hope you enjoy some of these thoughts as we talk through five areas. And yeah, just like I said, I hope you enjoy it. So here we go.(music fades) So I started this role in October of 2017, not really totally knowing what I was doing and, grateful for this invitation I got to this event where it was kind of like, you know, how to be a national church multiplication leader. And it was just kind of a one day boot camp. And so Ed Stetzer and some other leaders were there, and just kind of walked us through what what a national leader does and what you shouldn't be doing. And it was very, very helpful. One session, Gary Rohrmayer from Converge MidAmerica was talking about the eight systems that any church organization needs to have functioning in a healthy way if they're going to become a multiplication movement - So a fellowship, denomination, network - these eight systems. And, you know, stuff like coaching, training, assessment, recruitment, funding, mutual accountability. But, you know, the number one thing was? Spiritual dependency. I don't think any of us are surprised by that. Certainly as being Pentecostals, we really do - or we should or it's in our history - of that spiritual dependance, realizing that God grows his church. We're just stewards of it. We need the Holy Spirit. We believe in empowered living and empowered speech. And I think maybe at times we put too much focus on strategy. I know if I can confess to you, I have. In, you know, starting the Multiply Network in our fellowship as an internal engine to drive multiplication in our movement, I focused a lot on strategy and structure thinking. Like Kevin Costner in Field of Dreams. If if I build it, they will come. Well, the reality is,
Jesus said in Luke 10:2, If you pray and ask God, he will bring the harvesters. It's not -- I mean, I believe in structures. I believe in strategy. It's really important. But we have to be praying. We've got to be, you know, that spiritual dependance, relying on the Holy Spirit to lead and guide us. Because -- I like what Allen Scott said in Scattered Servants, the book Scattered Servants -- that strategy by itself, it's powerless to restore and heal broken cities. We need the power of God. Our nation, our government, the next gen need God so desperately. This pandemic has set off a chain reaction of so many other crises that we're seeing. And so we want to come alongside with what God is doing. Like Alan Scott said later in the book, we don't advance the kingdom. It's already advancing. We announced the kingdom drawing attention to what God is already doing. So what is he doing? What is he doing? We see this disruption in our society. We see the difficulty. We need God. And there's so much instability with it. One of my favorite preachers, Heath Adamson from the US, he works for a Convoy of Hope, talking about Isaiah, and King Uziah was his relative. We're not sure if it was a cousin or uncle, but there is a connection to royalty for Isaiah. And, you know, in Isaiah Chapter 6 in the year King Uziah died, I saw the Lord. And, you know, he had had so much loss. And we think about the loss that's happening in our culture and so much grieving is going to be happening. I think Rick Warren calls it a tsunami of grief that's about to hit our world. And I like how Heath Adamson said this, that instability can serve as an invitation to see God. And I think we get back to that in our instability, in the disappointment in the discouragement, in all those things. We have to get back to see God.
Like Proverbs 3:5-6 says:Trust in the Lord with all your heart. Lean not on your own understanding, but acknowledge him. But that word acknowledge could also mean see. See God in everything and he will direct your path. We as a movement have to get back to seeing what God is doing and coming alongside it. We have to have that spiritual dependency. This is a call today. Back to prayer, back to fasting. This is a call today praying for a burden for those far from God. That we would be people that love the things that Jesus loves and that we do the things that Jesus does. But we don't do it on our own strength. That we actually have a true dependency on God, saying, God, if you don't show up, if you don't do this, nothing is going to happen. Can we as a movement -- like how we started back in 1919. Our founding fathers and mothers were just so full of the Spirit and so full of life and vitality, and they just want to go and reach the world because they felt empowered to do it. They felt the burden and the passion of God. Can we recapture that again in our movement and see new disciple making community start all over Canada because every Canadian deserves an access point to the gospel. I know you believe that. I believe it. Let's work together. But we have to rely on the Spirit to guide us and empower us to do it. The second thing I want to talk to you about today is disciple making culture. Are we making disciples? Obviously, that's great commission. We would all say yes, that's the goal. But but how do we measure that? Do we have the right metrics? Do our people know how to be the church? I read a question recently. If we lost the Internet tomorrow, would our people know how to be the church? I think we could probably answer that by looking back to maybe last March, 2020, or April, when we weren't allowed to meet in person anymore. Did your people know how to be the church without meeting in person? We have to get back to this disciple making culture. And not just like saying, well, yeah, it's a priority. No, it needs to be THE priority. We can't just say it's one of many because if everything's a priority, nothing's a priority. Simon Sinek, who wrote Start with Why, he said all organizations start with why, but only the great ones keep their Why clear tear after year. Our Why is pretty clear.
The great commission:go and make disciples. And I think if we do that and we really do kind of a full court press on this, I think we'll start to see, you know, in the near future, more leaders, we won't be asking for leaders to fill churches and pulpits and ministries and go overseas. I think we will see a movement again, like we want to be planting churches because we know that's, you know, right now the most effective way to reach people far from God is church multiplication. And we want to be doing that, but we don't have leaders. Like the Boomers, those that are a bit older than the Gen Xers, they're going to be retiring in the next five to 10 years. Then the Gen Xers are going to fill those spots. And millennials after that, if we're not focusing on the next generations and we're not focusing on discipleship, we're not going to have enough leaders to fill our existing places of ministry, never mind planting double or triple what we need to do in order for all of us as the church in Canada to see Canada become a Christian nation. And so we've got to get back to this disciple making culture and not -- again, just nodding or tipping our hats to and say, yeah, it's important, but then just doing it. Discipleship comes at a cost. Like Jesus said, if anyone wants to be my follower, they must deny themselves, take up their cross and follow me. There is a cost to it. And that goes against our consumer thinking, our consumer culture. I think we need to look to laity. What I like about this idea of -- and this priority of becoming a disciple making movement again, is that we're going to see empowered laity. We're going to see them figure out their gifts and see their callings more clearly. And I think we're going to see opportunities pop up for them. I think one of our big opportunities in Canada is this idea of bi-vocational or co-vocational church planting, where someone works, you know, full time or part time or half time at another job and then does the ministry the rest. I think there's a lot of laypeople, entrepreneurs, pioneers that could go into communities and smaller cities and smaller towns and find their way forward by creating a disciple making culture and not maybe having to do all the things that maybe, you know, traditional church would have set before them. I think a lot of laity probably can't see themselves ever being church planters because maybe they're not great preachers, or they're not great worship leaders, or they're not great at gathering lots of people, but maybe they're great at making disciples. And I think if we can make disciples who make disciples and make disciples, we're going to see so many more disciple making communities. And we're going to see them grow and multiply. I don't think we're going to become a movement until we get this right. I don't think -- I don't think-- We could sit and do all the things we have done for years and be excited and high five ourselves, but until this becomes the priority, we are not going to see a movement. And to me that just -- that -- Oh, that gets me right in the heart. For us to be more consumed with some of the things that we're excited about and not seeing this world around us in hurt, in brokenness and in division and us have an opportunity to be a part of change, to bring Jesus. Jesus is the only answer. Ah man, for us to just come back to that. It's going to take a tremendous amount of courageous leadership to begin to say no to things. And say yes to other things. And again, I just talked about that consumer idea, that culture that maybe is in some of our churches. To push past that and for, you know, the local church to not actually be, you know, primarily for church people, but to be there for the community. I'm really encouraged and have seen some churches really transitioned well in this. And I think we need to just keep at it, tell those stories. But this is going to require some courage, friends. But guess what? God has placed you in this time in this season to be a leader in the church. He could have picked any time in church history. But he picked this time, this time for you to be a leader, for you to be a change maker. And it's going to require courage and it's going to require some grit, some tenacity. But you can do it. You need to do it. I feel like God's calling us all to it. For us to be courageous, to step beyond the fear, to step beyond those things, that maybe we would want to keep us comfortable and in our comfort zones. But to step past that and say, no, no, no, no, no, there are people's lives -- their spiritual lives are at stake -- on the other side of this courage, on the other side of this fear we need to face. It's too important not to do it. And so I'm praying for you today. I'm thinking about you, leader, today. And again, I'm going to talk about this at the end about healthy leadership. But this is a season where we need to step forward in more courage. I know you've been so courageous in this pandemic and there's been so much coming at you as leaders. But I believe that God's going to refresh you. God's going to give you a grace for this next season. And we're going to see the Kingdom of God advance with you, with you, because you're going to begin to function in that perspective of faith and seeing the opportunity and not just the obstacles. The third area I'd like to talk about is Future Church. And by the way, if you haven't listened to episode number 40 with Pastor Bill Markham, he talks about the future church. And so some fantastic things there. So make sure you listen to that one. But I just want to identify a few things as we think through the future church. And again, we could be here all day talking about this, because this is just -- So many people are writing books on this. So much conversation is about this. But let me give you a few thoughts as it relates to future church, just from my own heart and mind. The mission of God should inform our models, not our models inform the mission. The mission is really clear. We're supposed to be about making disciples, which means if our models are making disciples - the model of church or ministry that you're doing right now and it's making disciples - keep doing that. Make that better. But as we've looked and seen stats saying that 70 to 80 percent of churches in North America are plateaued or declining, I would say, and offer, and submit to you, that maybe there are some things that are not working and we need to see what may be new models are out there. But one of the things that I like what Brian Sanders from the Underground Church in Tampa, it's a network of micro churches and they've started that there, and now it's just kind of taken off and gone to other countries as well. He said that every organization- and I agree with him - has an immune system. So sometimes new things are seen as a threat. And I know that-- I'm praying -- that we as a group are open to the new things maybe that God wants to do that aren't what we used to do, that we are OK with letting some things go to embrace some new things. And not everything that's new is great, but also not everything new is bad. That we are able to see what God is saying and what he is doing and come alongside that. So micro churches are one thing. They're going to be disruptive as we think through these new disciple making communities -- Because that's what they are. They're smaller, potent expressions of disciple making community -- We're going to see young leaders grow and maybe start some of these things. But even thinking of digital church, like the proliferation of digital church and being online, that has really affected even our definition of local church. Like what is local now? Because there's some people living thousands of miles away watching the services online, feeling a part of it and even giving to it. So I want you to know that -- and you this -- that everything is changing and we've got to be open, we've got to be willing to explore and potentially embrace the new, especially if they're making disciples, especially if we're seeing fruit. And again, so we want to make sure that the mission is front and center. I don't want to talk about -- we've talked about the disciple making culture and how important that is -- But the mission is most important and we adapt our models to the mission. We don't adapt the mission to our models, if that makes sense. The second thing as we think through future church is I think our local churches and pastors need to think and function more like apostolic hubs and apostolic leaders. I like what Rick Warren said so many years ago, I think at an Exponential Conference I was at. He said that they're, at Saddleback Community Church, they're more concerned with sending capacity versus seating capacity. The things that they measure and the things that they champion and the things that they cheer about is the fact that they're sending people. They send their own global workers. They send people out to start new ministries. They're a sending church with this apostolic mindset. And I think we need to have our local church pastors and leaders, senior pastors of mid-sized -- well, I won't even say that -- of all size churches need to be thinking about where can we send people? What has God placed in our hearts, in our minds - because we know the kingdom of God does advance. And so we want to come alongside with what God is already doing. And so we need to be thinking, what about that town that's 20 minutes down the road that doesn't have a church or it doesn't have a disciple making community? Could we send someone to start an alpha there? Or the community, you know, that is a new subdivision in our city that doesn't have any church. Like, for us to be thinking not just about our own little areas, but for us to be thinking broader, thinking, God, how can we expand your kingdom? How can we increase our risk capacity? Because in order for us to do that, you're going to have to increase the risk. So God increase our risk capacity, give us a vision to see what you are doing in our towns, in our cities and our communities, and for us to say we will find people, we will disable people, and we will send people to go out and do those things that you're calling us to do. As uncomfortable as it may be, as you know, as risky as it may be, we're going to do that because we feel like you're calling us to do that. We need to create churches that plant churches, that plant churches. We need disciple making communities that make disciples making communities that make disciple making communities. We need churches that make multisites and those multisites that multiply and on and on. It's an all-in vision. We can't just have renters of the vision. This can't be a national office vision or a district office vision. It has to be an ownership vision right across Canada. Every leader, every congregant, every attender, every everybody needs to be on board. We can't be renters. We must be owners. And you know the difference, right? An owner is going to be willing to sacrifice. An owner's going to be willing to do things that maybe a renter won't do when it comes to maybe that thing that they're owning. And so they're going to care for more. They're going to make it a priority. That's what we need. We need owners. And we need to-- maybe the third thing is -- we need to see what we're building as something that's going to outlast us. We could give lots of examples of businesses that lost a vision for the future, they lost the vision for the next generation. You think of Kodak, you think of Blockbuster, you think of Sears, you think of lots of like powerhouse businesses 20, 30 years ago that would have led the way in innovation and invention and creativity. I mean, you think of the Sears catalog, maybe some if you aren't even old enough to remember the Sears catalog, but how innovative that was. You're like, what? I could order something and have it delivered to the Greyhound bus station and I don't even have to go to a store. It's crazy. I mean, obviously now we laugh about it because, at least at our house, there's probably Amazon drivers that drop off packages almost every day with six of us living in our house. So we need to be building something for the future. Simon Sinek, I just finished his book, The Infinite Game. Boy, that is a very interesting read. If you're interested in thinking about the future and what role church has to play, you need to be thinking about the infinite game. And he talks about how, like businesses like Kodak and again, Blockbuster, they were just playing a finite game. They're just kind of playing to start and finish. But the infinite game recognizes that there isn't necessarily a start or isn't necessarily a finish, that we're just here in this game, building for the future, staying in the game and building the future. And of course, we don't want to think of church as a game, you know, but just think about this
for a second:Church, your church, started well before you. You know, the church in Canada started well before any of us. And it's going to go on long after us. And so our job while we're stewarding leadership -- You know, we talk about ownership in the sense like we need that perspective and we care about it, but really this -- Jesus is still the senior pastor of his church. And so this idea of building something for the future. I like what Simon Sinek said, he goes, 'yes, you can get more fruit from cutting the tree down, but it's only a one year harvest. We've got to be looking at not just the short term gains, but much more on the long term gains' -- Which is why I'm talking about disciple making culture; I'm talking about spiritual dependency. This idea of thinking about the future, we need to build something that outlasts us. I love that in our movement, in the Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada, we're talking about reaching, developing and discipling millennials and younger. That's the focus moving, you know, 2020 moving forward. That's infinite game thinking. Thinking about how can we build this beyond us and outlast us, and it's really about legacy, but but it's about building for the future, doing things that aren't just going to benefit us now, but it's actually going to benefit leaders later on. That we may even have to pay the price now as leaders so that it can be easier, so that they can, as Andy Stanley would say, they can move further, faster, that the generations after us will be able to see the fruit that we had been-- the seeds that we had planted for so many years, the next generation see the harvest of it. And again, spiritual dependency, disciple making culture are those two things. So as we think through the future church, let's think through our missiology must inform our ecclesiology. Local churches need to be thinking more apostolicly. And we've got to be building something that outlasts us. And if I could add one more thing. I was listening to Leonard Sweet in a conversation, talk about how the church needs a new mindset in this day. Our current mindset is the carpe diem, seize the day mindset. But he suggests, and I agree with him, we may need a carpe manana mindset, which means seize tomorrow. You see, we talk about the priesthood of all believers, but do we talk about the prophethood of all believers? See, we have access to the Holy Spirit and he can speak to us and prepare us for the future. But my concern has been that some churches in this pandemic are carpe histerno, which means they just want to seize yesterday. They want to go back to what they used to have. And folks, we know there's no returning to normal. Everything has changed. Going to talk about number four bridge building. Was at that same online conference with Leonard Sweet. And he talked about how right now we're losing the middle. We've gone from this bell shaped world, where there was like this huge, you know, even economically this middle class and there's thinking that was more centralized. And now we've gone from that bell shaped world to a well shaped world where now those who want to be in the middle and see the benefits maybe of both sides, but now are being forced to choose. No, no, you have to be on the left or you have to be on the right. You have to be on this side or that side of an issue or a thought or an idea. And then what happens is there's this massive gap in a well shaped world because the masses now are not in the middle, the masses are on the edges. And so in order for you to be heard, you have to yell across the gap. And how many people know that when you're yelling, you're not actually being heard? And so anyways, he talked about essentially being a bridge, creating a sense that we're all in this together, so if you're on the left or right or far left or far, far right, we're all in this together. We are not each other's enemies. And what are the things that we can work together on? We may not even totally agree on how to work together, but maybe we can agree to work on ending poverty, ending hunger, ending homelessness, human trafficking. What happens if the church could be a bridge? Instead of focusing on what separates us, focus on what brings us together? He went on, Leonard Sweet went on to talk about how Jesus had, you know, three kind of ministries. You could add leadership as a fourth if you wanted, but he was a preacher. He was a teacher and a healer. What was interesting in that talk, Leonard Sweet, worked at seminary for many years. He'd ask people, hey, you know, what are you here for? I want to be a better teacher. I want to be a better preacher. But no one ever said I want to be a better healer. I think we need to rethink ministry in terms of that, in terms of what could we do to be healers? Jesus used healing to help people. He would ask, you know, what can I do for you? How can I help? And of course, there's this healing power of Jesus. We know the story of Jesus. We know that that, you know, we just celebrated Easter, the death and resurrection. There was a healing to the brokenness. There was a healing to the separation. There was a bridge building. That we were separated. Our sin had made separation between us and God. And Jesus took all of that away. And so we think of the tremendous polarization that is happening. We think as it relates to, you know, the economy or covid-19 or racial tensions - there's so much polarization and people are being forced to the edges and just yelling at one another. And I think there needs to be maybe this ministry that Jesus modeled for us of healing. Bringing people together, allowing healing to be felt in communities, in relationships, in emotional, spiritual, physical, all of it. We believe in that. And I think we need to see - if we're going to be bridge builders, we have to see us as healers. What can we do? We're not here as the church to create more division. We're here to bring healing and restoration. Jesus -- or I think it was Paul the Apostle said that we've been given the Ministry of Reconciliation. And so we have this opportunity in the season of tremendous polarization for us to address some of these tough issues and for us to be healers and bridge builders.
I like what Albert Einstein said:Problems cannot be solved at the same level of awareness that created them. We need an increased awareness of this, of all the polarizations that I mentioned before and for us to to see ourselves as bridge builders.
Because here's the thing:Specifically, even as it relates to racial tensions,
we look at Revelations 7:9,10 and John the Apostle saying "after this, I looked up and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count from every nation, tribe, people and language standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. They cried out, salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne and to the Lamb." We have this picture of heaven. We have this wonderful picture of heaven, of every tribe, every nation, every people and every language being there. You see, we're supposed to be healers, folks. We're supposed to be bridge builders. We've been given the Ministry of Reconciliation. This is something that God is calling us to do. John Mark Comer just finished a sermon series called Future Church. And he talked about one of the challenges facing the future church even as it relates to politics and polarization. And so they talked about this idea of how to address that polarization, that individualization. And I really like what they were doing as they were creating a habit or action to address it. And the habit or action to address the polarization was hospitality. Was hospitality. Could we have people around our tables, in our homes -- of course, right now in our homes we can't -- but in the future. Can we be hospitable? Could that be an answer to some of the political and racial and cultural polarizations in our society? Could we be hospitable? Can we sit around and have a conversation and truly, truly listen to one another, be bridge builders? Getting to know each other so important, the struggles, the pain, the confusion, the loneliness, our life experiences, because we as churches and leaders begin to exercise that spiritual gift of hospitality. Number five, and lastly, we need healthy leaders. I've heard in this season leaders talking about running a marathon at a sprinter's pace. We need some recovery time. And hopefully this summer you will be able to find some of that. Michael Todd, pastor in the US at the Global Leadership Summit, said pace affects peace and peace affects prosperity. And so with all the sprinter's pace, the decision fatigue, we've got too much output and not enough input. I know lots of leaders are saying you need lots of things to come out of this. I'm going to join with some that are talking about resilience. And resilience is about bouncing back. We've had a hard season. It's been a long season. And Martin Selinas says if you're going to bounce back, you've got to avoid these three things. They all start with the letter P, and as Pentecostals, we like alliteration. Number one, personalization. We've got to be careful not to own too much in this season and blame ourselves for things. You're not going to bounce back if you're blaming yourself or you're owning too much.
Number two:pervasiveness, and that we assume that any failure, any difficulty is going to find its way into every area of our lives. Where it's like, if I'm bad at work, then I'm a bad husband, I'm a bad dad, I'm bad, I'm bad and bad because I've got this one area that's not going great and I don't feel like I'm super successful. We've got to be careful not to let failure in one place show up is failure in every place. And the last one is this, and I think this is important is permanence. So we cannot see this as permanent, but temporary. So any setback, any failure, any any tough time or difficulty, it's not permanent. And thank God for that. I think we're seeing hope at the end of this tunnel. So don't personalize it. Don't let it be pervasive and don't let it be permanent. And if you're going to do this, you're going to bounce back. So how do we do that? Change your perspective, reframe it. Think about, you know, the positive perspective that you can have as it relates to bouncing back. Think about your own self awareness, your core values. Think about some of your gifts, your talents, abilities. Remind yourself of your calling. Remind yourselves of the things that you're passionate about and that God has put in your heart and mind as you think through the future. And then, of course, physical health, mental health and spiritual health. We have to be focusing on these areas if we're going to see that bounce back and that resilience. We need healthy leaders leading healthy ministries as we see the Kingdom of God move forward.(Jazzy piano music playing in background) Well, friends, that's all the time we have for today. I trust that this was a good use of your time, that you took away some thoughts and had some ideas. Maybe the Lord was speaking to you about something. What I like to do with all my coaching clients is to ask for a couple takeaways. Do you have any takeaways?(canned static sounds) That's so good. Could not have said that better myself, what excellent thoughts to end on today. Hey, if you want to feedback me and talk more about these things, I would love to connect with you. If you totally disagree with some of the thoughts I said and you still want to talk and you give
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