THE DISAPPEARANCE OF LIAM TOMAN

In the early hours of February 2, 2025, 22-year-old Liam Toman went missing during a ski weekend at Mont Tremblant. Shortly after 3 a.m., he left a nearby bar and began the brief walk back to his hotel.

CCTV footage shows him moving through the resort village, appearing to head toward his hotel. Yet despite multiple cameras along the route, there is no record of him ever entering the building.  One final moment—taking place just steps from where he was staying—is where the timeline stops. 

His phone stayed active for around 15 hours, connecting to a nearby cell tower in the resort area, but it was never recovered. Seven weeks later, his wallet was discovered near a parking lot close to his last known location.

Extensive searches yielded nothing further—no belongings, no trail, and no explanation for what happened in those final moments.

In this episode, we explore the verified timeline, the eerie CCTV footage of his last movements, the people who may have been the last to see him, and the possible scenarios for how Liam Toman disappeared without a trace.

Anyone with information on this case is asked to contact the Sûreté du Québec at 1-800-659-4264 and anyone who was in Mont-Tremblant from January 31-February 3, 2025 is asked to check their photos, videos, dashcams, home security, and conversations for anything that could help. 

Please share his story and use the hashtags #BringLiamHome, #FindLiamToman, and #Together.

RESOURCES:

Liam Toman Website

Help Find Liam Gabriel Toman (GoFundMe)

"He Vanished from a ski resort. His wallet is one of few clues" (The Fifth Estate, Full Episode, YouTube)

Disparition de Liam Toman: Un an plus tard (NousTV, YouTube)

'We are just at a loss': Family searches for answers a year after son's disappearance at Quebec ski resort (CBC News)

Ski Resort Visitor Disappears During 565-Foot Walk From Bar to Hotel on −22° Night | Toman Analysis (Dr. Todd Grande, YouTube)

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:51

Hi everyone, welcome to Crime Family. I'm your co-host AJ, and I'm here with my two sisters and fellow co-hosts Katie and Lisa. And in today's episode, we are going to be looking at a recent missing persons case that took place or began just over a year ago in February of 2025. And it happened in Mont Tremblanc, Quebec, in Canada. And it's the case of Liam Thoman. So what started as a winter ski trip between friends quickly turned into an ongoing search for answers. And the majority of the information on this case comes from the Canadian investigative journalism series, The Fifth Estate. And they did an episode on it that aired in January of 2026. And then additional information comes from the Liam Tomen website that was created and also various online articles about the case. But like I said, the majority is from that fifth estate episode. We'll put the link to that in the show notes. And I recommend you watch it because it is very informative and very in-depth. So Liam Tomen was a 22-year-old from Whitby, Ontario, Canada. And in early February 2025, he and two of his friends, Kyle and Colin, made the five and a half hour drive to Mont Tremblanc. And this was for a ski weekend. For those of you who don't know, Montreblanc is like a popular ski village and resort in the province of Quebec, Canada. Very popular for locals and for tourists. When Liam and his two friends arrived, they checked into their hotel, La Tour de Voyageur. So they were looking forward to a few days on the mountain. So Liam had even bought a brand new pair of skis and was excited to finally get to use them. So not long before the trip, Liam had graduated from Niagara College with an electronics technician diploma. Friends and family described him as someone who could fix almost any electronic device. He was like a tech wizard. Outside of that, he enjoyed skiing, golfing, playing video games, and spending time with friends and family. And he was known for having a big sense of humor and was often laughing. By all accounts, he was a positive, upbeat guy in his early 20s. So nothing, you know, just your normal guy in his early 20s. So on Saturday, February 1st, the three friends spent the day skiing on the mountain. And then that evening, they grabbed dinner at a pizzeria. And it was like a late dinner, so it was probably around eight or nine or so. So then after they had dinner, they headed out to uh into the resort village for drinks. So their first stop was at a bar called Lucille's, and they stayed there until around 11:30 p.m. And then after that, Colin uh decided to head back to the hotel to get some sleep. He was tired from the day of skiing. So Liam and Kyle stayed out a little bit longer, and then they eventually made their way to a bar called Central. And then eventually after that, they went to another nearby bar, uh Petite Caribou. And this is a well-known and popular spot in the village for both visitors and for locals. So they arrived at this last bar around midnight and they continued drinking inside. And then at some point during the night, Liam and Kyle ended up separating inside. And then around 2 a.m., as the bar began to clear out a little bit, Kyle realized that he couldn't find Liam. So he looked around a little bit for him, but couldn't find him. So he ends up sending Liam a text at 2:19 a.m. saying that he was heading back to the hotel. Liam never responded to that text. So Kyle, shortly thereafter, leaves the bar and heads back to the hotel. And the hotel that they were staying at was just like a quick four or five-minute walk from the bar. So it was all within this small village, so very close and walking distance. So it wasn't like you're going to be walking super far or anything like that. So, like I said, Kyle leaves the bar and goes back to the hotel. And so the next morning around 8 a.m., Kyle wakes up and notices that Liam still hadn't returned back to the room. And he tried calling and texting him, but didn't get any response. Kyle did notice that he had a missed call from Liam around 3:16 a.m. And this would be significant later. So at first in the morning, like neither Kyle nor Colin were overly concerned. They assumed that Liam may have met someone during the night. Maybe they he went to another hotel, like went to an after party somewhere or whatever, just ended up at some party, decided to stay there. So they weren't really that concerned. So under that assumption, they the two friends went ahead with their plans and they just spent the day skiing. So throughout the morning and the early afternoon, Kyle did continue trying to reach Liam. At first, he tried calling about once every hour, but as more time passed with no response, the calls became more frequent. So he started calling him every, like two times every hour. And then it became three times every hour. And then by the evening, around 6 p.m., Liam hadn't still hadn't answered any messages or calls. And so the situation started to feel much more serious. So that's when Kyle and Colin decided to call Liam's stepbrother, Ryan, to let him know that Liam had not been seen since the night before. So Ryan then contacts Liam's parents. And Liam's father, Chris, and his wife Lara immediately became concerned and contacted Liam's mother, Kathleen. The three of them quickly make plans to drive to Montchron Blanc together. And while that's happening, back at the resort, Colin goes to the front desk of the hotel and begins the process of reporting Liam missing. So the same night, shortly after this missing person's report was made, and as his parents are on their way, on their way to Montchron Blanc, there is a major snowstorm that kind of moves through the area. And so this kind of concerned Liam's family and friends and only increased their concern because if there was, you know, if Liam had been outside and in the elements or something got lost or whatever it was, you know, this snowstorm isn't going to help the situation and could easily become dangerous. So that's kind of what they were thinking about as they were heading there through these wintery conditions. They get to Montchomb kind of in the middle of the night, the three of them, and immediately they just start, you know, they go to the hotel, they start asking around, they really start to talk to the police and all this stuff and to really get the investigation rolling. And so the police get involved pretty quickly, and investigators begin, you know, doing the preliminary steps of an investigation, talking to the family and the friends, and they pretty quickly begin reviewing surveillance footage from around the resort village. And from the surveillance footage at the different businesses in the village, they're able to piece together Liam's movements after he left the bar. And so I'm going to show some of the footage in a little bit. According to the footage, Liam remained at the petite caribou bar until around 3 a.m. And he was asked to leave by staff around that time. And in an interview, Liam's father, Chris Tomen, does say that uh he actually spoke to a security guard who was a supervisor at the bar that night. And the guard says that he remembers that one of his guards spoke to Liam and said that he didn't seem like overly intoxicated. He had a conversation with him, asked if Liam knew where he was going. Liam said he did. So it wasn't like he was stumbling around drunk and like disorderly or anything like that. But he was kicked out of the bar. And I did watch uh or listen to another podcast that said that he had like taken an empty glass off the bar. I don't really know, but then then the the like kind of bouncers escorted him out from that. So I don't really know like the situation around that. But based on this conversation that Liam's father had with the security guard from that night, he didn't say that he was like overly drunk or anything like that. But anyway, he was kicked out around three o'clock. So the night that this happened, uh, it was extremely cold outside. So it was around minus 25 degrees Celsius, but the skies were clear. So it wasn't like it was, you know, white out conditions or snowing or anything like that. It was pretty clear sky. And Liam was dressed appropriately for the weather. So when he was last seen, he was wearing a black Vulcan coat with brown spots, black snow pants, a green t-shirt, and a plaid shirt, a white hat with dark stripes, and brown work boots with black toes. Um, so that also wasn't something that they were super concerned about initially either, that he was like underdressed. He was wearing warm clothing at least. Several cameras, like I said, captured him from the time he left the bar to his last movements. This first clip shows him leaving petite caribou. So that bar is just like behind him in the in that footage. And he is heading in the direction towards his hotel, La Tour de Voyager. And so that's what you'll see. You'll just see him walking that way. The second clip is the same moment, but from a different angle. And in both of these clips, Liam can be seen holding his phone up to his ear, which aligns with the time that he attempted to call Kyle. Like I said, Kyle did notice he had a missed call around 316, 317. And you'll see on the on the surveillance footage here that that aligns with that timeline. So investigators later confirmed that the last activity on Liam's phone was between 3.15 and 3.17 a.m. when he tried to call Kyle. So by this point, Kyle's already back in the hotel room and he's asleep, and this phone is on silence. So he missed the call. But around the same time as well, Liam's father did get a text from Liam's phone that said something along the lines of, yo, meet me outside. But it wasn't, I think there was like spelling errors or something. So they didn't know exactly, but they assume that's what he meant to put. Um and the family believes that the message was sent by mistake and that he likely intended to text Kyle, but accidentally sent it to his dad. And so that also happened around between that 315 and 317 a.m. window as well. So because of this, Liam's friends and family have won have wondered whether he may have been planning to meet someone or go somewhere else and wanted Kyle to join him. But there is no way to confirm, obviously, what his plans were. So after those final phone interactions between 315 and 317 a.m., Liam never used his phone again. And the reason there's like kind of that window there, because I was kind of confused, because in the Fifth Estate episode, they mentioned 316 as the last time. That's the time that Kyle got his call in the time that they say that he last used his phone. And also other other sources say that too. But if you look at the CCTV footage that shows him with his phone to his ear, it has a timestamp of 317 a.m. So when I saw the time stamp, I was like, I thought it was 316. And here it's saying it's 317. So I don't really know. It doesn't really matter exactly, but what's most important to know is that it happens before one of these other clips that is the last confirmed sighting, which is around 320. So what we do know that he never uses his phone after this 315 to 317 window. So surveillance cameras continue to capture Liam walking along the route toward his hotel. And so if you go to clip number three, one camera shows him walking between two buildings. And, you know, nothing out of the ordinary. He's just he's still walking. Um, but you'll notice, and his family makes note of this too. He seems to be walking, not like someone who's particularly drunk or stumbling. He's walking seemingly with purpose, like he knows where he's going. He doesn't seem unsure. He's just walking along this route. And remember, like I said, it's only like a three, four-minute walk from the bar, so it is very close. And then if you go to clip number four, this is just another um, another surveillance footage along the route continues him walking along the same path down that road towards his hotel. So those first four clips aren't anything to look into that much, but it shows that he's walking in the right direction that he should be. But it's really the fifth uh clip that is the most important to the investigation. And that clip is timestamped around 3:19 a.m. So if you go to the fifth clip there, this is a final camera angle, and it shows him near the edge of the frame speaking to people who are just out of view. So you'll see, and the the video will zoom in at some point to show or highlight him. Um, he's just behind where the timestamp is, so it's a little hard to see him, but he's right behind that. And you'll see him talking to people that are just out of view. And during this interaction, Liam can be seen kind of pointing in the opposite direction from the people that he's speaking to, almost as if he's asking if he's going the right way or something like that. Then he'll he kind of he starts walking, then he goes off on this like little path you'll see. And this route would lead towards the back of his hotel. So something that's a little hard to see from that footage, but I will describe it. In in I don't think it's in the fifth estate episode, but there's another French documentary that they do. And uh, Liam's mother is actually there with the reporter showing so where he's standing in that final footage where he's talking to those people. So right behind him, like in the direction where he ends up walking, like you'll see the road. And he would have been able to see the front of his hotel from where he was standing. And the kind of way he ventures off on that little, like it's like a little trail or something, would have been leading him to the back of the hotel. So it's weird that if he was looking for his hotel, he wouldn't have just walked directly to yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:33

Like well, I know on the fifth estate, like she she the mom leads the reporter to the back of this weird trail. It's pitch black and but he's pointing to his he's pointing to his hotel, right? To these people.

SPEAKER_00 14:48

So we don't know.

SPEAKER_02 14:50

Oh, I thought that's what oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:52

Well, no, like he's pointing in the direction of his hotel, but his mom explains. I don't think it's in the fifth estate one, but she one of her biggest questions she has is like, why would he be asking these people where his hotel is and pointing there? He could have seen it. It was like like 50 feet from where he was standing. Like, why would he have asked if that was where his hotel was?

SPEAKER_02 15:10

He's going to the back of the hotel, but the front is that way? You know what I mean? Like, I don't I don't understand.

SPEAKER_00 15:15

Like it's hard to ex it's hard to explain it, like just from looking at that video. But um so he's standing, so where he's standing, like he's facing the people that he's talking to. And then directly behind him, like if he just turned around and just walked down the road, like his the the main entrance to his hotel was right there, like maybe like what 100 feet, 50 feet from where he was standing. So the way he you'll see he turns and starts walking, but he kind of turns a little bit and goes to this like other path, that's where like that direction would have been around the back of the hotel. Like if there was like a back entrance. But it seems very weird that he wouldn't have just gone to the main entrance that was right there next to him, basically. So why was he going to like in the direction of the back of the hotel? Seems very weird. And also that's why his mom is questioning like was he asking where his hotel was? Like, he would have been able to see it. It's very clear that that's his hotel.

SPEAKER_02 16:13

Yeah, I I I don't I don't think he was asking for directions at all. But that's just me.

SPEAKER_00 16:18

Yeah, well, I mean, they think he may have been asking directions, but not to his hotel.

SPEAKER_01 16:22

Right, yeah, yeah. Possibly somewhere else. Don't they talk to the people that he's talking to? What do they say?

SPEAKER_00 16:27

So he they eventually they do find these two people that he was talking to. But I guess I just kind of wanted to explain it. It's a little hard when you don't see the actual documentary that I'm talking about because they're standing right there.

SPEAKER_01 16:40

Where's the par where's the parking lot? Did he have a car there? Could he be like trying to get to the parking lot to get something out of his car or something? Or like maybe he knew the hotel was there, but he's like trying to get to yeah, like his car or his friend's car or something.

SPEAKER_00 16:53

Yeah, they drove there, so they do have a car. I mean, I never even thought of that. That's a good point.

SPEAKER_01 16:56

Yeah. Um maybe he was like texting Kyle because he needed the keys to the car, so he's like, meet me out front, like I need to get in the car. But that's kind of what I'm thinking. Yeah.

unknown 17:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:09

Yeah, me neither. Maybe. Maybe. But it's just um they're thinking, yeah, like he wasn't heading directly into the hotel that they know they know that because he didn't go in that direction, like he went to the back of it, which is odd. And there is no also, that's the last surveillance footage that exists of him. So he kind of walks, like he's talking to the people, he turns around, walks in that direction that he pointed, and then just kind of goes out of frame. And that's the last place that he's ever seen. And he's never picked up on any other security camera anywhere else on the resort. And like the hotel, there's no footage of him entering through the front entrance or through any entrance of the hotel, if that was his hotel or where it was. He was standing just really close to it. Instead of walking down the road into the front entrance, he veers off on like that smaller path towards the back of the hotel. The pointing that he makes in that in that footage, along with the text that says, Yo, meet me outside and calling Kyle, kind of all lines up in the family's eyes as being evidence that he was planning to go somewhere other than his hotel that night. But where? So, like the thought is maybe he was spoke with someone at the bar. Maybe he had met people and they invited him to some after party or something, and he was gonna invite Kyle or wanted Kyle to go with him there. That's why he asked Kyle to meet him outside. I never thought of the whole needing to get into the car. That's a good thing. Maybe, maybe that was the case. But um, his family is saying that, like, based on his text to Kyle and pointing, and the area that he points in is also kind of significant, which I'll get into a little bit as well. But investigators later do identify the two men that Liam had briefly spoken with. And their names are Guillaume and Hugo. And it's actually Liam's mother, Kathleen, that initially located them because she spoke with the manager, like when she got to Montchron Blanc, like right away, she starts talking to people. And eventually she's able to talk to the manager um at the Marriott Hotel. And then also later journalists from the Fifth Estate are also able to find these guys and meet them. And the episode, I think, is filmed in the summer of 2025, um, or this part of it is anyway. So they actually meet last summer. The two guys come back to Montreal Blanc and like kind of show them where they were standing and all of this stuff, and they talk about what they spoke with Liam about. The two men, they explained that they had been at the petite caribou bar that night as well. Um, according to Hugo, his jacket had been stolen inside the bar. And so the two guys kind of are rushing from the bar back down to the parking garage where their car was, and like in a rush so that because he didn't have a coat. So it was like trying to, and it was minus 25. So it was trying to like get warm. Um, so they were kind of like standing by this this like door to the parking garage so they could get warm. And that's when Liam calls out to them from behind, and they say that they don't actually remember what Liam asked or what he said. Uh, they said that he didn't appear distressed or scared or worried at all. And Hugo says that if there had been any kind of emergency, that obviously they would have stepped in to help him, but he didn't, you know, he didn't seem distressed or anything. He didn't seem lost, he didn't seem, you know, worried at all, really. And so because the interaction seemed ordinary at the time, they actually don't recall many details. They couldn't remember what direction Liam was pointing to or where he may have been heading afterward. And ultimately they were unable to provide police with any meaningful clues. So basically all they could remember, like one of the guys says, I don't even remember talking to Liam at all that night. Like the other and it's the other guy, Hugo, that remembers a little bit more. He like remembers actually talking to him but doesn't remember at all what was said.

SPEAKER_02 20:43

Like they didn't give they didn't really say a lot, but the fact that they were able to say like he didn't seem distressed or like confused, I think that's very telling.

unknown 20:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:51

So that was like that's a big piece that at least they could tell police, you know.

SPEAKER_00 20:56

Yeah. Yeah. So because yeah, obviously if they had said like, oh, he seemed like worried, he was like someone was after him or something, like that would have added a value.

SPEAKER_01 21:06

And I think the fact that they don't even remember what they talked about makes it like it was just so insignificant. It was just like a a thing that could have happened to conversation that could have gone down with anybody that it just like not memorable at all. So it was like nothing crazy going on.

SPEAKER_00 21:21

Yeah. Yeah. And I think you always get people on both sides of that, right? People like, oh, suspicious, they don't remember. But then it's like, no, if it was super insignificant, you're not gonna remember. And also you they had been at the bar, they're probably drinking, right? They're not like a hundred percent sober, too. So it's like I think it's totally normal that they wouldn't remember. I think it would be very fishy if they remembered every single thing. Like that would have been more weird to me. And also by the time the police find them, it's like a couple months later, like, you know. So the fact that one guy was like, I don't even remember this at all. And it was his friend that was.

SPEAKER_01 21:52

Before the police had asked them, did they know that this guy had gone missing that they had talked to? Or did was like the police were like, this guy's been And you talk to him that night. Because I feel like if they maybe if they knew, they might I don't know, they could have like thought about it beforehand. You know what I mean? Like you know what I mean? Like they Yeah, they would have known before the police came to them.

SPEAKER_00 22:14

Yeah, I don't think they really knew much at all because it's in the fifth estate episode where they show, I think it's like over Zoom where the reporter's talking to the mom, and she was telling her, Oh, I found the names I talked to the hotel, and they gave me the names of these two people who said they might have seen Liam or or who he might have been talking to. I don't really know how they like narrowed it down to those exact people. They don't really get into that. They just them it's his mother that says, Oh, these are their names. And oh, one of them's moved to the Yukon. He like lives in the Yukon now. I don't I only know his like first name. And so it's actually like the fifth estate that she takes down their names and like she also tracks them down. But the police also, I'm assuming, have interviewed them too. So like I don't really know exactly, I don't think they would knew he was missing because by the time the word got really got out, they had probably gone. And it wasn't like big, big news, really. Like it's not a mainstream kind of case, really, especially that early on. So I don't think they knew. So the fact that the other guy even remembered at all, this like five-second interaction or 10-second interaction is impressive in and of itself, but but yeah. So yeah, like I said, they weren't really able to offer anything significant to please, other than the fact, like you said, Lisa, that they said he wasn't in distress or didn't seem to be in distress. And they also didn't say anything about, oh, he seemed really drunk, or he seemed like we needed to help him step in because he clearly was way too drunk or something like that. Um, I guess, and you guys saw the the CCTV footage, like he's walking very like his his father says like he's walking with a purpose. Like he seems like he knows where he's going.

SPEAKER_02 23:52

He doesn't walk. Any of the he doesn't like it's not walking drunk, I don't think.

SPEAKER_01 23:57

Yeah, he's not like stumbling or like yeah, or like looking around to figure out where he's going. It looks like he's like yeah, he being a little bit more. He knows exactly where he's going. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:06

And like I said, it was only like a three or four minute walk from the bar. So it's not like it's really far. And he was clearly walking. Like you don't see him like stopping to look around, like, oh, am I going the right way? Like he knew very clearly where he was. Which is why it's weird that he would get that far and then ask, Oh, is that my hotel to those people? Like he got all the way there and then he can see it and asks. So I don't think he was asking for the hotel. He must have been asking, he's pointing in some direction, but maybe they probably asked him, like, where where are you staying?

SPEAKER_02 24:33

Like, where are you staying at? Or like, are you staying? Oh, he's like, I'm I'm I'm like there or something, you know?

SPEAKER_00 24:38

Yeah, maybe, yeah. But they never said that, but they don't remember, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 24:41

Yeah, I that's what I took from it. They're probably like, Oh, I'm staying at this hotel, where are you staying? Or like just two tourists talking, you know.

SPEAKER_00 24:47

Like he called out to them, though. It was just weird. Like they were facing like they were away from him, and then he called out to them from behind, and then they turned around. So like he tried to get their attention for something. So that's weird. So that's why it was seemed like he was called out to them so they he could get directions. In the Fifth Estate episode, they actually mentioned, so his mother says there's actually there's also one additional camera that does capture the movement of a shadow around the same time that could match Liam's movements, but investigators are not able to confirm whether that shadow is actually him or not. So that's why they consider that last clip I showed you of him by the hotel. That's the last official sighting of him. They don't know if the shadow was him, but it could seem consistent with the way he was walking. The camera that was located a few minutes' walk away from the last confirmed footage and showed movement heading away from the hotel towards an area with chalet-style condos. So that was something that the family thought was interesting. And that area actually, like the road leading up to the chalet condos, that area was searched extensively. So they did door-to-door inquiries, they sent emails to the people who stayed in them. Um, and they even set up like roadblocks to hand out flyers, but nothing significant came from that effort. Nobody said anything, just nothing really came at all from that. And behind Liam's hotel, there is also a narrow path that runs past like this loading dock. Like his mom takes the journalist there. And so, like, if he was going towards the back of the hotel, he could have like went it's like this like back, like lane way basically, that goes past this loading dock. But she says this is would have been a really weird way to go in the deep snow. Like, why would you go there? So it's like not like impossible, but it's just very strange that you would like go through this like super deep snow past this area. But maybe, who knows? So, what we do know, like I said before, is there is no surveillance footage that shows him entering his hotel after that final clip. So, somewhere in that short stretch between the last camera that caught him and the entrance to the hotel, he just appears to have veered off course and just never was captured on any surveillance again. And from that point on, Liam Thoman seemingly vanished, which I find just crazy. It's like literally what, a one-minute period of time. And he never was captured on any other like there was that many surveillance cameras around that caught him up to that point. But then after he goes off frame there, there's nothing else at all in this one minute, very short time frame that it would have taken him to walk to the front of his hotel. So very, very weird. So I guess did you guys, before I get into this next part, do you guys have any thoughts or I thought he so it's I I thought he like that weird path that his mother had took the adjournalist on.

SPEAKER_02 27:30

I thought that's the path he had taken. But they're just saying this is a path he could have. I thought that was the path he did take for sure. But I guess he didn't.

SPEAKER_00 27:40

No. No, because they're they're kind of saying, like, um, this would have been a very weird path to take. As she's taking her through. Um and they don't have any surveillance, they have nothing. But it's like based on like where he kind of walks off in that last camera footage, it's like if he had walked a little bit further, it would have led him now in that way. So I think it's like kind of a possibility of he could have gone through here. And I think they're matching it up to where that shadow was later because he could have got f there from that from that other place through that laneway.

SPEAKER_02 28:14

But oh right. It's I think it yeah, it's I think it's that shadow that made them go to that weird lane.

SPEAKER_03 28:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:22

Okay. So is there surveillance footage at in the parking lot at all? Probably not.

SPEAKER_00 28:28

No. Or I mean not any it uh it didn't say that there wasn't, but he was never seen on anything. So if there was, he wasn't captured on it.

SPEAKER_01 28:37

It's so weird that he just like disappeared out of camera view forever. Like, what the hell?

SPEAKER_00 28:42

So weird, yeah. So I'm I'm tending to think, like, I don't know that it didn't have surveillance footage at the parking lot, which seems weird that you wouldn't, but like if you did, or unless he just didn't make it to the parking lot, but it's a very small window of between there and there. Like, how do you vanish without being seen on any camera? Like that's what makes me think there wasn't, because if there was cameras all over the parking lot, which is gonna be relevant later based on where they find some something in this case, it's just weird. I don't know. So very small window of opportunity where he could have went missing and just got super unlucky that there was no cameras that covered that small little area. So, yeah, that's kind of where the investigation sat for a little while. After his parents got there, they talked to a bunch of people, you know, were trying to hand out flyers, get any information that they could. Um, but for a month and a half, there was really no leads. They had nothing to really go on. But on March 22nd, which was a month and a half after Liam vanished, a resort employee finds Liam's wallet lying in melting snow near a parking lot. And this is near where he had last been seen on that surveillance footage. So inside his wallet were his hotel access card and his driver's license, his ID. But the cash that he was known to have carrying was missing. So it's unclear whether he had dropped it somewhere else or if it had been taken, or maybe he who knows, maybe he spent it all at the bar. Who knows? We don't know, but his uh his dad said that he had cash in his wallet. This map will show you. So it shows where the his hotel was located, and then the shadow that they saw on that camera is located there, and then the point here at the bottom with the yellow highlighter is where the wallet was found. So that shadow is consistent potentially with where Liam would have walked to because his wallet was found in that same area.

SPEAKER_01 30:36

So it seems really far away when you look at that map, though. Like it looks pretty far.

SPEAKER_02 30:42

I don't even like from that map, it it looks, yeah, way far away. Like than I don't think it's that far.

SPEAKER_00 30:50

I mean, I think the bar also looks a little bit far when you see the bar to the hotel, but it's really only five minutes. So this like maybe is what five minutes away? Maybe a little bit more. But it's a relatively small area. But there is the parking I'm that looks like a big parking lot there. So I don't and that's yeah, and like I said, his wallet was found near the parking lot.

SPEAKER_01 31:16

Um in those surveillance videos, he was like coming up from the back, like kind of at the top of the map there is where he'd have been coming through.

SPEAKER_00 31:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 31:30

Yeah, like it I think where that yellow or that red circle is where it's pointing to, is where he was like you'll see that's the hotel there, that building. And so, like, over to the left there would have been like the front entrance.

SPEAKER_01 31:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 31:45

But he kind of walked like behind it. So he would have had to walk behind it, down there, and then on this other road that connects to it, and then on that path. So, yeah, I think that's the reason why the shadow might be significant, because it was close to where the wallet was found. So they're thinking like that could have been Liam that they saw walking in that that shadow. So, you know, assuming it was Liam, why? Where was he walking to, first of all? Like he would, like I said before, he would have known where his hotel, he was right there. Why would he have walked around the hotel to the back down this road? Was he going to the parking lot, like Katie mentioned? Maybe. So if that's the parking lot you had to park in. It looks like it might be. It's still the biggest parking lot there. Like there's not another. So I don't know. But anyway, that's where the wallet was found. And the wallet was the only personal item of Liam's that was ever recovered. So when he went missing, the um the local police, like the Surete du Quebec, they the SQ is what they're called. So they actually did a 12-day search right off the bat, right away. Um, but by the time the wallet was found, a month and a half later, the search had obviously stopped. But the wallet finding was significant enough. So they actually started the search again after that, and they started to search the area uh directly around where that wallet was found. Although Liam's phone has never been recovered, which is weird, investigators were able to track its activity right after his disappearance. So, like I said, that he made that final call and texted his dad by mistake between 3.15 to 317 a.m. And the phone was never used again. So after he goes out of frame in that final surveillance footage, he never uses his phone again after that. Um, but although it was never used, it did continue to ping off the same nearby cell tower. And later in the investigation, like maybe a week or so or less, Liam's sister is actually able to access his iPad. And she gets in, she likes knows his password, she gets in. And so she can actually track his phone location from there. It shows that the phone's last known location was alongside the hotel near where he had been last seen. So right around that spot where he was seen on the on the camera, his phone was last pinged there. And the phone continued to ping on that same tower until 6.24 p.m. on February 2nd. So that was 15 hours after he had disappeared. That phone was sitting there pinging off that tower.

SPEAKER_01 34:09

Well, it's weird that were the were they looking for him at this point? Like they were they didn't find the phone ever if it was sitting there for that long. Like someone obviously found it and threw it out or something.

SPEAKER_00 34:20

I know. That's what's weird. Like, how did they not find the phone if it was that close to the hotel, like right around like the side of the hotel?

SPEAKER_01 34:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:29

Like nobody saw it, nobody, I don't know. It's it's very weird, but um yeah, for so for 15 hours it was pinging off that same tower, and then it's after 6.24 p.m. it just stopped pinging. So the police believe that it just the battery died or something after that. Um, that's why it stopped pinging. So, and despite extensive searches of the area, the phone has never been found, and there's been no activity on Liam's bank accounts or social media since he disappeared. So, yeah, I find it really weird that they still have never ever found the phone. Like, even by now, when they do the 12-day search, they're searching around the hotel, they never find it in those 12 days. Like, that's to me very weird. So there is a map there that shows it. You'll see where the phone actually was. So you'll see that it was pretty much near the hotel, like next to it, basically. This would have been r the route that he could have that would have likely taken.

SPEAKER_01 35:30

Crazy.

SPEAKER_00 35:31

So for something to be that close to the hotel and for that extensive of a search to be done to have never found it. Like I get that they wouldn't have maybe not have found it in the first 15 hours, but like they did a 12-day search after that, and they never found it.

SPEAKER_01 35:44

I find that I'm thinking like maybe he dropped it in like the snow or something, and then was it it was snowy, right? And then maybe someone like shoveled or they plowed and like just got caught up in a snowbank and then Well, remember I said there was a snowstorm that next night? Yeah. Um That's what I'm thinking.

SPEAKER_00 36:02

So I think that, yeah, that's actually a good point. Like it just the snow plow took it or something.

SPEAKER_02 36:07

The snow plow didn't take it. Snowplow didn't take his wallet.

SPEAKER_00 36:11

No, yeah, I know.

unknown 36:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:13

It could have though, it could have moved it and then like somehow like it could have moved the wallet down there, and then once the snow melted, but then it took the phone with him. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 36:22

Yeah, it could happen, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:24

Yeah. So maybe he dropped his wallet and his phone in the same spot, but the wallet just got moved somehow.

SPEAKER_01 36:32

Yeah. Maybe.

SPEAKER_00 36:34

And the snow plow? I don't know. I don't know, maybe.

SPEAKER_02 36:36

But makes sense, like the money would fall out, you know, if it's like getting plowed found.

SPEAKER_00 36:43

Yeah. But nothing else fell out.

SPEAKER_01 36:44

Like his all of his where the wallet is, it kind of looks like it was like someone threw it out the window as they were driving or something. Because it's right along that road, right? Right along the like the the route there. That's what that's what my first thought was. It's like someone they found the wallet, take they stole the cash and then chucked the wallet out the window as they were driving away.

SPEAKER_03 37:03

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:05

Yeah. That's what I thought. I think being near a parking lot is significant, I think. Like some somebody from that parking lot. Like maybe he, maybe Liam was walking to the parking lot.

SPEAKER_02 37:14

It just seems like a a s a tourist, like a ski resort wouldn't wouldn't have um security cameras in the parking lot, you know, when it's a vacation spot. I find that weird.

SPEAKER_00 37:26

Yeah. And they never said, like, nowhere did it say they didn't have any security cameras. It just said he was never seen on it. So either they did have cameras, but they would have you think they would have said there's cameras and he didn't show up. But well, they just said he was never seen on any security cameras after that. So maybe that meant they did have cameras at the in the parking lot if they just didn't see him. So that means if if that's the case and his wallet was found that close, like it wouldn't have been he wouldn't have been there when it dropped. Like maybe it was, like Katie said, thrown out the window. So yeah, very, very weird. Also, there's another piece to this puzzle as well, or like other information from that night. So police also review the surveillance footage from earlier in the night inside that bar, petite caribou. And in one clip, Liam is actually seen speaking with a man at 2.31 a.m. So that is the surveillance footage. And it's timestamped 2.31 a.m. So this would have been about 12 minutes after Kyle texted him asking where he was, like because Kyle said he wanted to go home and he couldn't find him. So we know that as of 2.31, like at the time Kyle texted him, and for at least 12 minutes after that, he was still in the bar. Um, so we see him talking to this guy. So the police are able to find out who that guy is. And as it turns out, they speak with this man, and he actually was a manager at one of the neighboring bars, and he was just there at the bar. And he says that he had seen Liam talking to like this group of girls at the bar, goes up to him and says, you know, all the girls, all the girls in this bar, they're already partnered up. So like if you're looking to hook up or something, uh, it's probably not gonna happen here. But he said it was a very brief conversation, it was very friendly. Um, he said that Liam was like relaxed and easygoing about it. They actually got into like small, like small talk about skiing and they fist bumped at the end. So it was like nothing that was any confrontation or anything like that. It was very cordial. Shortly after that, he left the bar with his friends, but Liam was still inside the bar at the time that he left. This matches a surveillance that showed Liam there until at least 3 a.m. So they thought maybe this was a lead. Turns out he couldn't really provide any more information. But it did kind of make it seem like, well, maybe there was someone else that talked to him. They don't say that that there was anything on surveillance, but like this guy went up to him and said, you know, like, don't hit on these girls that are already partnered. Like, so maybe there was someone else that he like hit on the wrong person or something. Like, we don't know. But there's never the surveillance footage that follows him from the bar, never, there's no one following him or anything like that. So I find that a little bit hard to believe. But so ultimately that lead kind of went nowhere as well. So, like I said, since Liam disappeared, extensive searches of the surrounding area have taken place. And the SQ conducted, like I said, a tw intensive 12-day search that involved foot patrols, ATV routes, helicopter sweeps, canine tracking, and horseback searches. And large sections of the mountain and the surrounding terrain were covered, yet nothing belonging to Liam was ever found beyond his wallet. There is a map, so that shows you um where the areas were that searched. So the foot patrols are the things in red, so that's where they all they walked on foot. Um, in in blue is the canine tracking. The horseback searches are the pink, purple shows where the ATVs went, and then the yellow outlines the helicopter path. So as you can see, they did a pretty intensive search in the whole surrounding area, and nothing was ever found. So his phone in that all those searches that were done of that area were never found. Never his phone was never found, which I find very weird. They also never found because obviously the main theory was that he got lost and succumbed to the elements, and his body's just somewhere out there, but it's not anywhere in that area at all. And you'd think they would have found it if that was the case. So that's very weird. As part of the investigation, police also spoke with Liam's friends and family to learn more about him and also determine whether there were any factors that might have made him more vulnerable. So one of Liam's close friends, uh Shireen Kamisa, she said that investigators were asking detailed questions about their lives, including school, hobbies, possible drug use, financial stress, or any secrets that Liam might have been keeping. But she told him there was nothing like that. And other friends kind of said the same thing. Liam didn't appear to have a secret life or anything that caused major stress. So either he did and just was very secretive about it and didn't tell anyone, or it wasn't the case. In June of 2025, so this would have been about like what, four months after he had disappeared, Liam's mother Kathleen confirmed after meeting with the SQ that investigators were also looking into one additional possible lead. And surveillance footage actually showed a white vehicle driving around the resort area around the same time that Liam disappeared. It's unclear whether the vehicle is connected to the case, but investigators were working at that time to enhance the footage. So obviously, classic case of like, can't really make out much about the vehicle other than it's white, too blurry, can't tell. And they don't really go into detail of like what the car was doing or anything, just that there was a white car in the area driving around around the same time that Liam's on this surveillance footage and like in that area too. Nothing really came of that, or at least not yet, but it is possibly something to look into. So another point of concern for Liam's friends and family has been the response from Montchron Blanc itself, like the resort. People involved in the search believe that the resort was hesitant to draw attention to the disappearance. And Liam's friend Shereen says that the resort just wants to maintain its image as a popular ski destination and wants to avoid all negative publicity, as any business, I'm sure, does. So four days after Liam went missing, Shireen contacted the resort asking if they would post information about the disappearance on their social media accounts, but they declined to do so. And then on February 9th, she sent them a missing poster that she had created and asked if they would share it, but they refused to do that as well. In the Fifth of Estate episode, they actually interviewed someone named um Nalia Dubay. I don't know if I'm saying that right, but uh she worked at one of the steakhouses on the resort at the time of the disappearance. And she says that local businesses received an email from the Tromblant Resort Association, which manages the resort, shortly after Liam disappeared. The email included Liam's photo and details about his disappearance, but at the bottom, there was also a notice that instructed employees not to quote, initiate any proactive communication on the subject, end quote, with customers. So she's saying they were just really trying to sweep it under the rug. They didn't want anyone talking about it. They didn't want anyone asking questions, looking into it. So that was a huge thing for the friends and family, too. It's like, why are you so adamant? Like, not only are you not helping, you're like trying to stop progress from happening, which is really annoying.

SPEAKER_02 44:19

Them not paying attention to it. It's like they're almost kind of like make making it like it could be easier to happen again. Like the people need to be more like there could be someone in the area that's hurting the tourists. Like they need to be vigilant when they come. It's almost like you're like doing a disservance to the people.com there.

unknown 44:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:35

Yeah, because they don't care. They're just hoping no one knows about it. And they don't want people thinking twice about going there. But it's really annoying. And then some people in the community interpreted this as an attempt to avoid drawing attention to the situation, of course. Um, a local Trombellant resident that they also interview in the Fifth Estate, she says that she tried organizing, like around the time of Liam's birthday, which would have been in July, she tried to organize a group photo of like volunteers and some of the staff beside this rock that was at the resort that said, Liam, Liam Thoman, where are you? And they were going to take a picture of like all of the volunteers and some of the staff and send to his parents for his birthday, kind of like this thing to show that they were still helping and still looking for him. Um, but she said that no one showed up. And she believed that some staff may have been afraid out of concern for their job. So she thinks that like people just didn't want to go because if they were, they wouldn't have been fired.

SPEAKER_02 45:30

It actually puts actually works against them. They both make more puts more spotlight on them for saying no. Like, like, what do you do?

SPEAKER_00 45:37

I know. I know. I know. Yeah, it makes it seem like they have something they're covering up.

SPEAKER_01 45:43

Yeah. I I I mean, I understand why they think it would be bad for business, but I mean, why is that more important than like finding a missing person? Like it wasn't like it's not like I was gonna say it's not like it wasn't the resort that did it, it's not their fault. Yeah. People will still go there, I feel.

SPEAKER_00 45:59

Yeah, like do you think uh all of a sudden you're gonna get no customers because one person went missing?

SPEAKER_02 46:03

Like, everyone goes to Mexico and that's the most dangerous place to be right now.

SPEAKER_00 46:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:07

Yeah. Like I feel like if they yeah, if they like showed showed that they were actually helping and concerned, it would like make people feel better to be like, okay, if something happens to me there, then like they're at least gonna try and find me and help and not like pretend I didn't exist.

SPEAKER_02 46:22

That's a good point. It's like, you know, it's uh if you know, I feel like you would go there more like this. I don't know, you want to be like ensure that you're taking all the safety precautions and stuff so more people would feel safe. Yeah, like this place actually cares about me. Yeah. Yeah, like you're deterring customers and being like, we don't care, we're gonna hide it, and we don't we're not gonna worry about your safety.

SPEAKER_01 46:39

Yeah, like if you go missing or get hurt, then we're gonna pretend that you were never here.

SPEAKER_02 46:44

It had I think it had the opposite effect of what they were hoping for sure.

SPEAKER_00 46:48

Yeah, like at least if you went there, you'd be like, okay, at least the resort, they're on it. Like if something happens, like you know, trust that they will actually try to care and like try to find out what happened. Yeah, versus like Katie said, pretend when you were never here. Under the rug. Like, yeah. And try to and try to like, you know, anyone that tries to help will like do everything we can to not help them. So it's really annoying. So, like I said, like no one showed up to do to do that group photo. And then not long afterward, the message that was on that rock was painted over. And then there was also another message higher up the mountain, like along like this big cement things that were part of the ski lift. Like somebody had put a message there about Liam as well, like we will find you, and that one was painted over too pretty soon after. So the resort just doesn't care, couldn't care less, or at least that time, at that time they couldn't. It's like it also makes you think it's like, well, is there more so is there more that they know?

SPEAKER_02 47:41

Like not even just about this, but like Oh, like yeah, like what that they want to start uncover.

SPEAKER_00 47:46

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like if they think that this investigation will uncover more things, yeah. Yeah, or something like that. So yeah, it just like you said, it makes it seem more suspicious. So it's like their planet's backfiring on them pretty badly. So for Liam's family and friends, of course, the actions of the resort have only added to the frustration. More than a year later, Liam Tomen's disappearance remains unexplained, and the search for answers continues. But I did see an article that was from January of this year. Um, and it seems that the resort has partially changed their tune a little bit on this because they've since launched an awareness campaign with the help of the family. And that was this according to a CBC article from January. So they came to their senses at least now. Or maybe they're just trying to like yeah. So I mean the result is the same, but like, why didn't they do this a year ago?

SPEAKER_03 48:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:35

Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's just annoying. Like, oh, you have no problem doing it now. Was it because you were getting backlash from not doing it before? Or like uh it's just really annoying. Like you could have done all this last year, this time last year. Maybe it would have helped. So really annoying. So the family has set up a website, uh, liamtoman.com, with updates and information about his disappearance. There's also a GoFundMe page help set up to help fund the family's own searches and their frequent returns to the Trombulan area to continue, continue their own investigation. So anyone with information on the case is asked to contact the SQ 1-800-659-4264. There's also currently a$50,000 reward for information that could lead to Liam's whereabouts or information about what happened. And then this last quote is directly from the Liam Thoman website. It says, quote, if you were in Montrombalan from January 31st to February 3rd, 2025, please check your photos, videos, dash cams, home security, and conversations for anything that could help. Even the smallest detail could make a difference. You can also make anonymous tips. Together we will find Liam. Please share his story and use the hashtags bring Liam home, find Liam Tolman, and together. End quote. And that's where the case stands today. So still unsolved, still very, very weird. So given the information that uh we went over, like what do you guys think happened?

SPEAKER_02 50:05

I think he was going to an after party. Um, like he met some people at the bar that said there's a party at this chalet or something. I think that's where he was heading, and he had called his friend because he wanted his friend to go with him. But then something since it happened to him because I don't think he got lost. His body would be found. I don't think he's there. Like he uh someone took him off the resort for like Unless, yeah, and then some or someone in that like maybe in that white car had said like they stopped him and said like we'll you know, we're going to an after party. I don't know. I don't know. And then he got into the car and then that something happened in the car and the outside of the resort. I don't know, but I think like he definitely was heading to a I think he was heading to a party for sure.

SPEAKER_01 50:49

Uh it seems weird that he would if he like dropped his phone, he would just like leave his phone there and like go to a party, you know? Oh, I like that's what's is weird to me that like the phone stayed there for 15 hours, but he wasn't there.

SPEAKER_00 51:03

Maybe he didn't realize he dropped it.

SPEAKER_01 51:06

Maybe, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 51:08

And then like by the time he like realized he didn't know where he dropped it and couldn't find it. That's what I was thinking.

SPEAKER_01 51:14

Yeah, maybe.

SPEAKER_00 51:16

Because like you would definitely go back for your phone, like if you knew.

SPEAKER_01 51:19

Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's why I thought that was that'd be that weird. Like, oh, I'm going to a party, I'd but I dropped my phone, but I'm just gonna go anyway. Like, I don't know. It it's it just seems weird. And then also his wallets fan, like who dumped the wallet out the window and why, if that's what happened, like he dropped it, didn't notice that either. Like, that's weird. If he was like walking, right?

SPEAKER_02 51:40

I just took it as the the wallet was just under under a bunch of like it was found. I don't I didn't I th took it as like he dropped it, it was just found later. But like when the snow melted, but I don't I didn't like I I don't think maybe I mean it's possible, but I I thought he had dropped it there. And then some then something happened to him after that. Like some.

SPEAKER_00 52:03

I think like maybe maybe they like something happened. Yeah, it could have been at the same time, like he got into the car, they robbed him, threw his wallet out, and then it wasn't found, and then it was found because of the melting snow after. Because like 'cause there was a huge snowstorm after that, so it would have been buried pretty quickly. So I don't know if it but like also if it was because if you think if it was him that just dropped it, like where was he headed to? He was gonna walk.

SPEAKER_01 52:29

Like like Lisa said, I definitely don't think he like got lost and like just died because of the elements. Because yeah, he'd be there somewhere, and I feel like the dogs especially would would have found him really quickly. So I I don't know, it seems weird. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 52:46

And don't we say the only I think we say this in other cases the only reason a dog doesn't find you is because you get into a car. Like the car uh the dog can send to you. Like the dog can follow your scent wherever you go. Until unless you get in a car, right?

SPEAKER_03 53:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:01

And go and drive away.

SPEAKER_02 53:02

So like to me that makes it seem like he did get into a car who's like get into a car somebody didn't know, or maybe someone he had known he had met at the bar was in that car. Uh you just seemed like you would want to look into more who was all at the bar that night. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 53:18

Like, yeah, and what made what makes it weird for me is like they were able to find that surveillance footage of him talking to that other guy in the bar. Well, what where who else did he talk to? Like find the surveillance footage, see other groups that he talks to. Find those people.

SPEAKER_02 53:32

Yeah, yeah. I don't know. Like, I I can't, I mean, maybe got into a car with people he didn't know who they're like all going to a party together, but but why would they target?

SPEAKER_00 53:41

I don't get why they would just target him. They're just awful people. Like, what happened? Like the one thing I could think is like he hit on someone, like someone's girlfriend or something, and they got pissed. But then, but he doesn't leave. No one follows him out of the bar.

SPEAKER_02 53:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:53

Like nobody. So what they just make this plan, okay, we're gonna leave, we're gonna get in our car, meet him. How do they know to meet? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, how do we know to meet him? Like where they're gonna meet him.

SPEAKER_02 54:01

They just I feel like like I think a fight, I feel like a fight would have ensued inside the bar. Like a fist fight of some sort or something if that had happened, you know, like I don't know. Yeah. There was like there was no altercation, even there was no ever shown that he got into an altercation with anybody, or no tense moments ever.

SPEAKER_00 54:19

Yeah. Well, he did get kicked out, but only because he took like a a glass, but a glass from the or something. Yeah. So and yeah, like like I remember I said, 'cause his dad also talked to one of the security guards from that night who said they didn't say, Oh, he was in a big fight. That's why he was kicked out. They just said, like, and then they talked to him and he seemed fine. So and they said, Do you know where you're going? Which it it's really fresh. It's like they said, Do you know where you're going? He said, Yeah. But he didn't say where he was going. That would have been helpful.

SPEAKER_02 54:49

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:50

They would have said, Where are you going? Apparently he just said, Do you know where you're going? He said, Yes.

SPEAKER_02 54:54

And like no one ever said the next day, no other people at the bar ever, any of the people that was any of the guests had said it, never no one ever came forward and said there was a big party this night at the chalet. Like uh there was never any mention of where a huge party could have been, an after party of any sort. Like, like he's the only one that heard about Yeah, and he's the only one that knew about this party. Like, I feel like everyone would know about a certain party that he was heading to. Uh but then one of them mentioned it.

SPEAKER_00 55:18

Like if he found out that there was this after party, other people must have been able to And I feel like he would have like or found out.

SPEAKER_02 55:23

Maybe he would have and like he would have texted, like he would have called his family, he also wouldn't be able to text him saying, like, come meet me. There's a party, meet me outside. Like, you know, I think he would have said something about it in any of the phone calls. I don't know. I find it Yeah. So I I feel like he was he was heading somewhere. Like he had some I don't think he was heading to the hotel he was heading somewhere other than the hotel. But yeah, I guess that yeah, but why I guess is the reason that's is the big question.

SPEAKER_00 55:45

Yeah, and it's it's also because like he wasn't with anyone. Like you'd think yeah if there was other people he was with, you could say, okay, like they they he's going with them wherever they go. Like he's by himself, like he wasn't ready to call it a night.

SPEAKER_02 56:00

Yeah, so where was he going, I guess? Like Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:03

I mean like he did add, he did text his friend to say meet me outside. But then his parents his dad said that and it's not because like he didn't have his key card, because he had his wallet, his key card was in his wallet when they found it. So he had he could have been able to get in by himself. He didn't need someone to meet him.

SPEAKER_01 56:17

Yeah, I just find it weird that he would have dropped his phone and dropped his wallet, or maybe he dropped his phone, didn't realize, and then he got in the car with someone, and then they threw his wallet out. Uh I don't know. And then I'm thinking like maybe he did go, he did make it to the second location, and then he wandered off there and he didn't have his phone. So he could have like, he could have died somewhere out there, but not close to where he was because he was somewhere else. And they just never searched that area because they don't know where he went. But it's like, why is why was the wallet and the phone lost? That's the thing. I find that that's the strange part.

SPEAKER_00 56:51

I don't know where he would have been going when he walked off out of frame there. He wasn't going, like he wasn't going to the hotel, obviously. No, he would have going to the in the front door, which was right there.

SPEAKER_02 56:59

And he's going to a party that no one else heard of.

SPEAKER_00 57:01

Like And going down this back route past this like dark alley. Like I'm sure if he went down the road, you would have been able to get there. Like the only way to the chalet is through this dark alley, like back route. Like, no. It's very weird. It is weird. And we don't know if the sh and we don't know if the shadow was him that shadow the other camera picked up. No. Or not. But it kind of matters. It's near where the wall was found.

SPEAKER_02 57:24

If it had been someone else, the I mean they would be like, you know, there's only one, like it would have been two shadows if something had happened to him. You know what I mean? Like if someone like like there was only one shadow.

SPEAKER_01 57:34

Yeah. So he was by himself, not like someone followed him.

SPEAKER_02 57:37

Yeah, no, yeah. Until like some I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 57:41

Do you think the shadow was him?

SPEAKER_01 57:42

I feel like it was. And I feel like maybe he made it to the parking lot and got in a car with somebody. And then but that I don't know. I find just the wallet and the phone being missing. Is weird. Both of them. Maybe one, yeah, you dropped one, but then you you dropped both in like different locations. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 58:02

I think he could have dropped his phone on his own, like without realizing it. And then by the time he got to the parking lot, he didn't because he would have had to lose his lose his phone pretty much right after he he goes off camera there because he never uses it again. He never texts anyone, he never calls anyone after that.

SPEAKER_02 58:21

And by like the the two witnesses saying he didn't seem drunk or just like you'd think he wouldn't know if he dropped your phone and you're so you would notice you dropped your phone if you're sober and not really that you know what I mean? Like sober, obviously. But like that's weird too. I think maybe like he got to the parking lot and he ranted some people he came out early on the ski hill or something, and they said, Hey, we're going to this party, like let's come with us, and then they did uh uh something happened to him. I don't know, it's weird.

SPEAKER_01 58:49

I just find like the odds of him like lose happening, he happened to lose his phone and then he happens to meet up with people that like steal his wallet and then take him do something to him somewhere. Like that I don't know. It just seems crazy that that those things all happen at once.

SPEAKER_02 59:04

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 59:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 59:06

But like the the it's just like what but then what did happen to him? Because like if it was a party, more people would have known about it, I feel.

SPEAKER_00 59:14

Like it's weird, like because I mean, I guess they don't have to be locals that he could have gone with, like he could or it couldn't have to be tourists, it could have been locals. Probably wasn't.

SPEAKER_02 59:22

Yeah, that he had met like he met earlier or something.

unknown 59:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 59:27

People he had met on the hill, like earlier I don't know. I don't know. Like why him, yeah. Why any I I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 59:35

I why anyone?

SPEAKER_02 59:36

Maybe they were just losers, but he's just the only one the first one that the first one they saw by himself, like he's by himself, but I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 59:44

Like I just find it crazy that like there is no uh he's not caught on any other surveillance footage after that.

SPEAKER_02 59:51

It's such a small window of time. That was my that was what why the case was so intriguing to so many people, because it really is such a small place you might be missing from. And he just disappeared from such a small like the the hotel was literally right there. That is so so weird.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:12

It is yeah, it's very weird.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:16

Very weird. Like someone has to uh So we're ruling out that um it was like uh he got lost or something, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:24

Well he might have got lost uh outside of the search area.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:28

Yeah, like I feel like he went somewhere after the all of this. He went somewhere and maybe he got lost. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:35

Well, he left on photo with somebody, like he he left the resort for sure. There's there's no way he didn't. They would have found him a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:41

They would have found himself Yeah. Well, I was gonna say that maybe he did go somewhere and then went to the party, left the party, and then got lost on the way home. Didn't have his phone, realized he didn't have his phone.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:52

Yeah. Like what like he went back to look go look for his phone.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:56

No, no.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:56

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:57

Why wouldn't somebody come forward and just say, oh, he was at a party? Yeah, like no one ever came forward to say But the fact that no one came forward makes me think they're hiding something. Because if you just picked him up and went to a party and it was totally innocent.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:10

And then like we that I would have been like, yeah, he was at the party, but then he left and I don't know what happened to him after that. Like Or like I saw him at the party and then I And no one ever came forward to say that there was a huge like oh, maybe he was headed to here because there was a party. I don't know, weird.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:26

Yeah, or maybe he got in the car with someone and then they were like on their way somewhere and then he realized he didn't have his phone and they wanted to turn around, but they're like, no. So they was like, let me out. I'll go back and find my phone. They let him out.

unknown 1:01:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:35

Some random on the side of the highway. And then that's where he got lost or something.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:41

But I still feel like they could have been able to find him. Like it's not that far from where.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:45

Well, we don't know how far he traveled before he was like, Let me out.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:51

But wouldn't they have found a body by now in a year and a half anywhere? Like if it's along the side of the road somewhere.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:57

Unless he walked, he got disoriented and walked into the in you know, to the forest land. Yeah. Like, like he obviously he was out of the search area for sure, some somewhere. He is. I don't think.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:09

Because they would have found him.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:10

I don't think he's alive.

unknown 1:02:12

No.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:13

No, I don't think it's one of those cases where he like got a new life. Like, I don't think that's the case.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:18

There's no evidence to see.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:26

Eventually.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:27

Yeah. But like that doesn't line up at all with like all of a sudden.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:30

No, I know.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:31

He was totally fine leading up to that, and then like in five minutes.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:35

It's just weird. Like there was no it'd be weird if it'd be if if if um there had been like an altercation, a huge fight, he got into a fight. If there had been something to be like, okay, this makes sense. Like some like he aggravated people. I like there was not there's nothing. He just got told to leave because he was stealing a glass or something and he didn't seem that drunk, and then he just like there's just nothing to indicate which way it went, you know? Like he wanted off by himself or to someone pick him up. Like you know, I don't know how they're ever gonna find how you ever gonna find him if you don't know that basic you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:13

Like if you don't know if you don't know if he left on foot if he learned uh yeah, unless they search more area more the area, like outside of the search area, I don't know, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:24

So it it seems pretty clear that like he was intending to go somewhere else after. Like he wasn't going to the hotel.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:31

Yeah. No. I feel like he got in a car with somebody and then at a secondary location, and that's where he like got lost or wandered off or something. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:44

I just don't understand why no one would have come forward if that was the case.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:47

Yeah. I know. Weird.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:49

Cause like you have to imagine in that area now, especially now that the resort's not silencing it. Like it would be enough word out there that people in the area would know, like, oh, oh, I remember this guy.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:01

Yeah. Yeah. Or unless someone did steal, they did steal his wallet, so they didn't want to come forward to be like, yeah, I stole his money. And then threw his wallet out the window, and then he went missing, but it really wasn't them that did anything after that. You know, you would you they don't want to like put themselves in that situation. Yeah. But I don't know. It's weird. It's a weird one. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:23

It's so weird. Like just the small window of time.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:26

And then he was never seen on any surveillance. It's just it is really weird.

unknown 1:04:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:32

Crazy. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:35

It's crazy. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:39

Just to show you how quickly something like that can happen.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:41

I know.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:42

So quick.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:43

That's the thing, like, and it was crazy that someone would target like a full grown man that like not completely drunk. You know, like, yeah, not an easy target.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:52

It's like usually a woman by herself. That seems more likely. A target. I don't know. Yeah, that's what's it's that's what makes it so.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:00

I just wish I just wish that he had said in like the text, like, oh, I'm will you come with me to this place or something. Not just like meet me outside, like no other but he was gonna call trying to call him, but and I'm sure the friend feels bad that he missed the call.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:16

But yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:19

There's really only three scenarios either he chose to disappear on his own or he got lost, or foul play. And so it's like clearly he didn't choose to do it, so that's out of the question.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:35

Like he had no clothes, he just went with the stuff he had. Like, I feel like you can start out of life, you bring something. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:42

Yeah, you bring like a change of clothes, like a bag with your stuff. Yeah. I know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:47

It's like a possibility to me.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:49

Yeah, clear out your bank account. Like, yeah, like you still need money and clothes in your life.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:55

Like yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:57

The only argument for that was it's very thin. It's like Like, oh, he took the money out of his wallet so he could have money, but then left everything else behind. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:04

I mean, yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:08

Like just so it just seems like a really random time to choose that. Like, oh, in the middle of the ski weekend, I'm gonna Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:15

Minus 25 degrees. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:18

Yeah. And he did ask his friend to come meet him. So like yeah, right? Like it wasn't like he was planning on being alone. He wanted his friends there. So yeah, it's very weird. I feel like that is definitely not what happened. Weird. I don't know. It's a mystery. I can't even.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:33

Yeah, very weird. It's very odd. Very weird. Very weird.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:37

And it's always so haunting when you have the last images of someone like I know.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:42

I know that that footage is Yeah. And it's just also crazy too that like those the two people that he was talking to can't remember where he was pointing. Or like they don't remember the conversation because that would have been so helpful too, maybe.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:56

Yeah. But why was he pointing? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:59

Like why would he like because he called out to them? Why he wouldn't call, he wouldn't call out to them and say, Hey, I'm staying at this hotel. Like, no. Like he clearly wanted something.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:10

Yeah. Yeah. Like he called to them first. Maybe he's like, hey, do you know any of any parties?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:17

Or like maybe he knew where the party. Like, I think that's what the family thinks is that like he knew the parties were at, like the chalet, that hill. So he probably like was pointing, like, do you know if the chalets or whatever?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:29

Yeah, or the chalets over here or something.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:32

Yeah, or the condo, whatever they are. Yeah. I don't know. But they don't remember like what he asked. Nothing. It didn't stick out to them. But I guess it wouldn't. Whether it was like he did ask and they just don't remember, or he just didn't. But why was he pointing? He had to him and asking them. Like where would he point?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:49

But I just feel like that guy went missing, you saw him, and he was pointing somewhere. I wouldn't you remember? I don't know, maybe I don't know. It's just I I would love to know what he was what he was pointing at.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:02

And why, like, if he was pointing there, he didn't go that way.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:05

He didn't go that way. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:08

Yeah. Like he pointed towards the front entrance of the hotel, but then walked. Not that way.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:14

Well, maybe it's like other chalets this way, and like people were like, no. And so he's like, oh, and then he just went the other way. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:22

Through the back laneway, through the past the.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:25

Yeah. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:28

It's just it it just frustrates. Like, I want to know. I just need uh it frustrates me. Like, what was he s where is he heading? Where was he pointing? I need like these things will never know the problem. I just wish. I know.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:42

We might know. I mean, it's only been a year. It's not I mean, it's still a long enough time, but like cases get solved many years ago.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:48

Yeah, it might. I mean, maybe he'll get found. Very weird.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:54

Very weird. So I feel bad for the family too. Like, it's just can you imagine if someone just goes on a ski weekend and just I know it's just it's crazy. And for the friends, too. Like, I feel bad for them too. Cause I'm people not that people would blame them, but people are like, you know, you were with him and you left him at the bar.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:11

Yeah, it's always like, you know, like I always say to myself, like, I would have never left my friend on a vacation. And they I wanted to go home. They didn't. I'd I'd suck it up and stay. With but you only think that about for females, really. You don't think, why did you stay with your male for a little bit?

SPEAKER_00 1:09:25

Also, I I I I think I can't remember where I saw this, but also it's not like they were in a foreign country. They were in Canada still, five-minute walk from the hotel. So it's like I could see if you were like in like Mexico at like a local bar. Yeah, that would be kind of weird. Like, why would you leave your friend there? But like they were, you know, they see felt safe. They were still in Canada. Their hotel was a five-minute walk away. I don't know. Not that I mean, I probably still wouldn't leave my friend, but also it's a little easier to know why you would rather than like being.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:55

Yeah, yeah. You just never think it's actually going to happen to you. Like, oh, he's fine, he'll make it. He can make it five minutes, like to the hotel, mowing a bed, like yeah. Crazy.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:10

Crazy. Crazy. So anyone with information on the case is asked to contact the SQ at 1-800-659-4264. There is currently a$50,000 reward for information that could lead to Liam's whereabouts or information about what happened. So, yeah, that's the Liam Tomen case. Very, very sad and God, yeah. Hope Hope they find out what happened. But it's gonna take somebody coming forward, I think. I don't think they're gonna find they didn't find anything by this point. I don't know if they will.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:43

I mean, if they don't even know how where we left or how we left, uh it feels almost impossible that they're gonna they're gonna find the people. Like, I don't think unless, yeah, like I said, unless someone unless someone does come forward.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:59

But the family is like really pushing their saying, like everyone who was there that weekend, check your dash cams, check your any photos you have. Like you never know what photo you take or what video you take. There might be him in the background talking to someone, right? Like, you never know. So anyone who was there that weekend, check your phones or your dash cams. Anyway, yeah, so that that does it for the Liam Tomen case. Obviously, we'll I'll update you if anything comes of it, if we get new updates. Um, hopefully we do. Um we'll put uh in the show notes, we'll put the phone number and all the links to the Fifth of State episode, which is a really good resource. All the photos that I shared and the surveillance footage was from the fifth estate episode, by the way. So just giving, giving shout-out and citing my citing my sources. So that does it for this week's episode. If you are a fan of the show, um you want to follow us, you can follow us at Crime Family Podcast on Instagram, Facebook, and TikTok. And you can also send us an email, crimefamilypodcast at gmail.com, if you have any case suggestions or feedback or theories on any of the cases that we've covered. You can also subscribe to us on YouTube. So just type in Crime Family Podcast on YouTube. You will find us. You can watch the video versions of the episodes on YouTube as well as on Spotify. So if you listen to us on Spotify, that's where you'll get your video version or YouTube. But if you're on Apple Podcasts, it's just the audio version there for now. Um, but yeah, that's it for this week. We'll be back next week with a brand new episode. And until then, take care. Bye.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:24

Bye. Bye.