"Two Boats"| Episode #62 | Builder of All Things | Author’s Cut: Chapter Two | Full Episode w/ Richie Breaux

Welcome to the Builder of All Things Podcast—where we go beyond the pages of the book and explore into the Author’s Cut! 🔥 Join Richie Breaux and Ray Bisnar as they break down each chapter in micro-episodes, giving you the behind-the-scenes insights, deeper wisdom, and real-life applications—just like a Director’s Cut for a book.

In this powerful and personal episode, Richie shares the raw, behind-the-scenes story of what it means to run a business on faith — exhaustion, doubt, and all. Titled “Two Boats,” this chapter dives deep into the metaphor of Peter washing his nets after a night of failure, only to be met by Jesus asking to use his boat.

Richie opens up about his early years in business — the grind, the lack of return, the mental burnout, and the moment he nearly walked away. But just when the nets were being washed, a divine invitation came: to surrender the boat, make room for a second, and allow God to multiply the catch.
You’ll hear how a surprising software recommendation from his wife Tiffany became the key to scaling, how he realized the value of partnership, and what true overflow really looks like when your heart is positioned to pour into others.

📖 Luke 5 comes alive in this episode.
💡 For anyone in the trenches — entrepreneurs, leaders, visionaries — this one is for you.

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Chapters

• 0:30 Welcome to Two Boats
• 8:10 Washing Nets: The Exhaustion Phase
• 16:22 Surviving Year Three in Business
• 21:08 Finding the Right Business Partner
• 28:00 The Revelation of BuilderTrend
• 32:46 Two Boats: Understanding Overflow

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:30

Well, guys, welcome back to the boat. We're in chapter two unofficially which is called the Shipmate.

Speaker 2: 0:37

Two boats, two boats. The name of the chapter is Two Boats. Shipmate is the theme. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 0:45

Yeah, yep, tell me about Washing Nets, because that's kind of like the first portion of the chapter.

Speaker 2: 0:51

Yeah, washing Nets. So there's a story in the Bible, luke in the New Testament, chapter 5, I believe chapter five, I believe, uh, you could probably have the reference for me, but it's where, uh, peter, who was a a lead fisherman, went out um to sea with this crew and just went fishing and and were out all night, all day, all night, and just didn't catch anything, or, and I think on the early morning, just returning, I don't know if all the timing's right, but it felt like that when I was reading it.

Speaker 2: 1:29

And just to give a little back drop of the story, um, you know, they were bringing their boats in. So I'm like visually imagining the boats coming in. They're tired, you know, and the nets are what they used. They use, they used to have these big, you know nets where multiple guys have to grab it, throw it in and and bring it in. But when you go out fishing, I can imagine it probably gets dirty, it catches a bunch of rubbish or leaves or seaweed or whatever it grabs, and when you come in you have to wash it and clean it and get it ready and wrap it up and put it away so you can, you know, be ready the next time you go out fishing. And it's cleansed, you know, it's ready to go.

Speaker 2: 2:13

And that really connected with me, because I'm a tradesman, you know. And so as a tradesman, as a carpenter, I know what it's like to just, you know, spend hours and hours and hours working and at the end of the day, how exhausted you are, you know, and you didn't meet your goal for the day and you just want to stay longer, but there's no more time. The sun's getting ready to set. You got to get home and you know you have to put away everything. And I met I've empathized with that feeling of just knowing that exhaustion, disappointment and then having to spend like an hour putting away things it's almost like a double it is.

Speaker 2: 3:02

It's a double whammy and you just clock out, and I don't mean clock out for the day, you clock out mentally, physically exhausted, and even more so, these guys didn't catch any fish. I can't even imagine like working all day and have zero return. So it's like. It's like if your boss says hey, you know here, know, here's your day wage, go out there, bust your tail, and if you don't do this one thing, you're not getting anything. And that's really what happened. You know they didn't get their day's wage, nothing. So they went out, worked and put in all their sweat and tears, came back and didn't even get paid for it. And so I really empathize with that.

Speaker 2: 3:42

Washing nets to me, to answer your question and into the context of the book, was a time as a business owner in our business where I felt like them, putting in that exhaustion, that energy, and I felt like giving up is almost like clocking out. It's almost like a giving up is almost like clocking out is almost like a giving up, and washing the nets became just a metaphor of putting putting my hat up on the hook and calling it one man like that's what washing the nets was. It's like, okay, there's no fish, there's, I'm exhausted, I'm tired, I'm giving all my energy, all my time, I'm clocking out, I'm mentally clocking out. So that's what washing your nets is on the timeline of the business richie.

Speaker 1: 4:29

Uh, this was meant in the book. It's mentioned uh, 2014, your third put a date in there. Yeah, your third year of business? Um, would you think that the third year, just in any uh, is one of the toughest ones? Or what year do you think it starts to be like hey, this is, reality is setting in. Do we continue this thing or do we? You know, what do we do?

Speaker 2: 4:55

Yeah, that's interesting.

Speaker 2: 4:57

You said that because, true story, I was on my second year and we went back to Illinois and I got to see a lot of family and friends and I was super excited and proud to share with a lot of my family and peers that I started a business. You know, it was exciting for me. I was very proud of myself and there was certain peers and family members that their feedback meant the world to me right and so, even more so, sharing, you know, something very important, valuable, and you're starting and you're going and I'm like year two, so I'm even more excited, like I survived year one and I was talking to one of my, talking to one of my mom's best friend's husband and he's a successful business owner and just very, you know, looking at what he was able to accomplish and what he's done and sustained. I was really excited to hear any input he had and he was like year two is the hardest. That's what he said. So it was interesting.

Speaker 2: 6:02

You said that and I was like I didn't get it. I was like year two is the hardest.

Speaker 1: 6:04

That's what he said, so it's interesting.

Speaker 2: 6:05

You said that and I was like I didn't get it. I was like what do you mean? He was like taxes and I was like what do you mean taxes? Like he was like a lot of times, when you go through year one and you're in year two, going into year three, you don't realize what's coming with the taxes and how to survive it. Wow, and then it's hard for businesses to get over that hump or they're just going to continue and not actually grow, because growth, you have to understand how to survive taxes. And that was his input and I was just like I have no clue what you're talking about. We're all good, but yeah, in 2014, it was year three and taxes were becoming part of that conversation, but I think more so I think it was.

Speaker 2: 6:55

It was I was trying to do everything. You know I was a Peter on the boat out there fishing with the fishermen and guys who came along. But you know I was exhausted. I was swinging hammer, I was picking up materials, I was sleeping at Home Depot. You know we had worked nights until like 3 in the morning. Drive to Home Depot. I'd have my crew with me, a couple guys. We'd go to sleep, wake up at 5 when it opens, pick up materials.

Speaker 2: 7:25

I mean, we were just doing everything we can to finish the job and the entrepreneur in me was like making deals with the guys that if we don't finish it we don't get paid. It's a partner paid not hourly. So everyone was invested, which was good, and that's how we survived. But you know, it just wasn't like your ideal business in its infant days and it was just getting exhausting, man, like I had energy, I was in my 30s and all these things. But even then it can catch up with you mentally and all these things. So in 2014, and to answer your question, man, it's. I think if you want to be a business and grow and sustain and scale, I think year three you got to survive Like year three is a big year If you can get over that hump and continue to grow like, yeah, we can go under the radar and just keep going and call ourselves a business, but to really get over that hump, man, it's challenging.

Speaker 1: 8:22

That's crazy because when there's always going to be humps, right, whatever you want to call them, but taxes is a huge one. Because I'm just thinking in my mind if a business in their first year sees the ROI and all the money that's coming in, but then suddenly you realize, oh man, like 30%, 40% of this has to go to tax or whatever it is. Man, like 30, 40% of this has to go to tax or whatever it is. It's like that makes you feel kind of it's not demoralizing, maybe demoralizes you. Yeah, with that amount of money.

Speaker 2: 8:52

I think, yeah, the greatest challenge in the tradesman world that's the business. You know we're running a construction business. It was, you know, when you have the heart to do it right. You have insurances you got to pay. You have taxes state taxes you got to pay. You have payroll taxes you got to pay, and so there's just a lot of fees, man, to survive a risky business as construction. And so just understanding those costs number one. But then as you grow, understanding how those and understanding where it's going and just getting backlogged on taxes and just let me share this too.

Speaker 2: 9:54

Just a vulnerability man. Like the first year, I think revenue in 2012 was like $35K, but then you look at expenses and everything else, I had zero money in my pocket. Man, like that was just the revenue, you know. And so, thankfully, like we didn't hit anything, we're able to collect food stamps. I mean, that's just, we were in survival mode, barely making rent. Like why are we doing this? You know, like just go back to work. You know, richie I mean my wife didn't say it like that, she was in partner with me, but it's like in my head I'm just like, richie, like what are you doing? Like I'm trying to follow this lead, that I feel that god has called me. And then, you know, year two, we did double revenue, we're getting more work and so, but the pockets were still thin man you know, just and then, and no one knows this, no man, it's just that you and tiff, yeah, and a lot of it was investment too.

Speaker 2: 10:44

You know, I probably was making decisions that can help grow the company, where I was giving deals where I could and just over, exerting myself to excellence and being, you know, a good price point at the time and not overcharge I'm not saying I've ever overcharged, but I had to grow into that value and I understood that and just integrity and things. So, um, yeah, man, it was, uh, the first three years financially it was so hard and in year three, when we really realized what we have to pay to continue and to be at the level we're trying to operate, man, it was exhausting and I'm swinging hammer all day. So, physically, every day, I'm like beat. Mentally I'm beat.

Speaker 2: 11:28

I'm doing estimates and I know a lot of tradesmen owners go through this man, they're just, they're just a lot to juggle. You know you have the gas bill you got to pay for your truck just driving all over the place to pick up materials, to go visit houses for estimates, and that's where all my money was going. Yeah, it was going to just drive around, man it seems like there's a lot of um.

Speaker 1: 11:49

It's funny because what I'm imagining in my head is like you know how, the titanic, the boats, and they see like icebergs. It just seems like there's a bunch of icebergs just popping up and it's like how do you steer? You know, with all of these things yeah, it was.

Speaker 2: 12:04

Uh, I was peter man. I was peter and I was just ready to wash nets. Man, after three years of that exhaustion, and then, on top of that, my wife's working two to three jobs I barely seeing her. Our relationship was getting strained. Kids, my children, were, you know, going through some hard times and it was hard to be present for them because I'm in survival. That was it, man.

Speaker 2: 12:29

I've already used a word I was in survival mode. You know, even though I was running a company, being an entrepreneur, I wasn't doing it for this like excitement, even though there was excitement added to it, it was just survival mode, following a leading and trusting. So when it wasn't, you know, I believe, like when you look at it from the outside, from an outside view, you're like, wow, this is fruitful. There's like jobs coming in, there's, god blessed us with all these tools to kickstart. You know, in the story there, where God just overwhelmingly blessed us with tools to kickstart this, um, the timing and when we started it, the name, all things new, I mean, everything was the five-star reviews we're getting. It was like everything made sense and it was fruitful in that matter. But behind the scenes, man, it was like I was.

Speaker 1: 13:15

I was, I was taking liggins, yeah that's great yeah, man I remember uh searching guys up uh one time and the five-star reviews that it was pouring in, like you said, yeah, I think we hit like 30 five-star reviews.

Speaker 2: 13:32

Yeah, you know, and we were Yelp. I mean, yelp was even like emailing us, sending us certificates like man. Y'all is hot. Like you know, and it's like you know the value was there, the delivery of quality was there. Everything was there, except for money in my pocket.

Speaker 1: 13:51

I was going to say. Everything was there. Five-star reviews are there, but at what cost?

Speaker 2: 13:55

yeah exactly, there was no fish in my net man yeah yeah, it's like everyone can say man, peter, you're a hard worker man. Like they can rant and rave and say man, you're doing awesome, your guys's boat, your team, I love everything about it, you know, uh, but the reality is peter and his wife probably were getting into some challenges just because he wasn't bringing in, bringing in the funds. You know, no fish were being caught and so, you know, I I just empathized and connected with this story, like really thinking about what he was going through and and whatnot.

Speaker 1: 14:27

At what time did you seriously consider you know, hey, maybe this isn't something you know, was it a fluke, or is it something we should hang up?

Speaker 2: 14:38

Yeah, going into 2015, I think right before 2015,. I was just having some conversations with my wife's brother-in-law, randy, and you know he had a construction business as well. He just got an abc license and a lot of what we were doing. I couldn't get us to the next level to charge what we needed to charge because I didn't have a license, you know. So we're doing mostly like handyman renovation work kitchen and bath, uh um, refreshes and things like that, but nothing that where I had my experience of building something from scratch. You know I just like the kitchens and baths and flooring and paint. Man, that was like baby food man.

Speaker 2: 15:22

Yeah, it was like which why I think we were so successful at it? Cause I could do it in my sleep. So the work itself wasn't the stressful part. It was like, okay, how do I make, how do I get traction, how do I turn this into a profitable business, how do I, you know, like, get this thing to scale and grow and how do we fulfill the mission that God has put on our heart at the same time, without like decoursing? So you know, I was talking with Randy. He had his ABC license at the time, and so it was like, look, man, the work is there. You know, like, I'm getting the calls.

Speaker 2: 15:58

That was the thing, that if I wasn't getting the calls, totally different story, right? Yeah, like God was showing us that, you know, the opportunity is there. It's just, you know, it was just getting into a place of accountability and responsibility, of like how to handle these opportunities. And so I just, you know, transferred what I could to and partnered with him and his company, and he wanted to start a new building company that I could, you know, help lead from internally, and so we partnered with them for a year, but we left all things new, open and alive and still running with really just not operating out of it, just kind of this entity just chilling for like a year. Yeah, you know, so that was what was happening in 2015.

Speaker 1: 16:46

After. I'm assuming that that was successful in a sense and there was a time that you would have to have left that company or that partnership right. Was there a reason or what was the reason or tipping point of like hey, I think we're healthy again?

Speaker 2: 17:05

Through that year I gave my all to serving versus leading in a sense, so serving his company whatever I could. But there was just a strong pull on me, man, that just was like, yeah, I get it, you're trying to hang up your hat, richie, you know, I felt so many failures in my life and, um, I felt like I failed when I didn't make it pro in in sports. I felt like I failed when, you know, I left the Navy with an anxiety disorder and didn't actually finish my four years. You know, it was like right there, man, and I didn't finish it. And so here I am again where I felt this sense of failure coming in. But I think I'm just like Peter, I just empty myself and ready to hang my hat. And so here I am, man, just spending a year and and I felt like we're thriving, it was profitable. I think I was. I was doing awesome I mean, from my view hopefully, randy had the same view but, um, I just felt like, um, to make that decision to move over, it had to be some kind of like miracle pull or something. But there was, there was something pulling at me, ray, and I just remember, you know, feeling like I can't, I can't do this alone. Like I felt so alone, you know, and I needed God to go with me.

Speaker 2: 18:26

And I think the story of Peter was that he had emptied the boat, got everything out. Can you imagine just like end of the day, working clear the whole boat out, took the net out, cleaned it up, probably tying the rope so the boat doesn't go anywhere, pulled on shore and it's fully empty. And that's when Jesus came. That's when Jesus walked up to Peter and said hey, can I use your boat? Man? And Peter is like what do you mean? You know, I got these guys here I'm preaching to on the land and I have a better positioning of myself. If I get on your boat and stand and talk to them and we can just put it out a little bit, peter is probably like man, what else I got to lose? Cool? So he pushed it out and you know that really resonates with my story because you know I was in a place where I had to empty my boat, my vessel being me, and I totally gave up everything. And I think God wanted me to have that heart, he wanted me to empty, being like Richie, are you OK to give up the company Number one, hang up the hat. Are you ready to just like, let me go run the show and stand on the boat, or are you going to keep doing it on your own, like? And that's where I was, I was doing it on my own, I was doing all this stuff on my own and you know, people were applauding and I helped encourage and and, yeah, awesome, that's a good, nice picture. It was a good project.

Speaker 2: 19:51

But inside man, like, in what you know, financially there, the profit margins just weren't there to survive what we needed to survive on in Hawaii. So, and with weren't there to survive what we needed to survive on in Hawaii, and with the kids we had four kids and so it just was really challenging. So just being like Peter man and just saying here, that's what 2015 was for me. Jesus, here's my boat, man, like, I want you to have it. It's going to sit right there, you can stand on it, do whatever you want to do. It's all you. I got nothing left.

Speaker 2: 20:22

And that's what it was talk about the two boats, uh portion. Yes, um, so when I was feeling that tug and pull, and it was there, you know, and just kind of letting jesus have my boat, you know, and and basically that just means I, I I invited him into, uh, into my space and just allowed me to serve or lead Whatever he wants, I'm there. And so, while we were partnered, tiffany was able to come in and do a little bit of help, I think before I was there or while I was there. I can't clearly remember her positioning, but she was trying to help, tiffany being my wife, and she was looking for some programs that would help us manage things better and, kind of administratively, bring things together. And so I think she saw I was looking too and whatnot. So we're sharing some stuff back and forth. But she had found this one program I think it was called BuilderTrend and not promoting them, saying everybody should go use BuilderTrend.

Speaker 2: 21:29

But at the time in 2015, when she did a lot of research and found this program, and she was like, hey, you need to look at this program, and I was just like pride or I don't know what it was. She was like, hey, you need to look at this program and I was just like pride or I don't know what it was. I was like, yeah, I don't think that's gonna work, but yeah, I'll look at it. And then, you know, she broke it down, all the things it could do, I mean just structurally. I was like I don't know how to explain it. It was like it's like the. It's like when jesus said to peter hey, you've been putting your net down here in the shallow waters this whole time. He says go out to the deeper waters and put out your net. And then Peter was like man, we already tried that, you know like, but because you said I'll go, I'll go do that, and that's how I felt in that moment. Man was like like, I'll go, I'll go do that, and that's how I felt in that moment. Man was like like honey, I've looked at all these programs. Like, but if you want me to look at it, what else? What else might you know? I guess you know, so I'll look at it. And so when I was looking at this man it was, it was probably the same moment as peter when all the multitude of fish started filling the net and probably was like in shock.

Speaker 2: 22:40

That's how I felt when I looked at this program. It was like this entrepreneurial scaling genius dude just went in my head. I never had that before and that's not any credit to Richie or myself or something I've learned or something I've gained. It was God downloading fish of multitude fish in my head, fish of multitude fish in my head and he just showed me, like, what I can do with the multitude of fish and how to catch them and how to serve them. And this program was showing me how to scale. That's the word. I never knew even the word scale before. Like what does scale mean? I don't know scales on fish. No, scale means grow the company to levels that are sustainable and continue to grow. And I just seen it. I was like, oh my gosh, this program. I didn't even know there was a such thing. You know and here I am a baby to this Probably people out there like, yeah, man, that's what we use.

Speaker 2: 23:32

But me, new into the game, I was like, wow, there's a, there's an integrating lead system. So when you get phone calls, you can have this, you can do data on how they, you know their response levels, temperature levels and the price values and gauges and then they can transfer into a job, you can job number boom and it's all like on this app, homeowner has access to. This is transparency. I just started seeing like growth, the transparency growth, with clients trusting us and aligning with everything we wanted to do. I saw that you can upload pictures and daily logs and tag people. You could put employees, you can bring in subcontract. It was like this all-in-one hub In 2015,. We're talking 10 years ago. That's a game changer, right, because nowadays we're probably like there's a lot of programs but not then, this was, in its infancy, just showing surface, and so I knew.

Speaker 2: 24:26

I knew that there was no one on the island that had this or anything like this, and I knew we were just about to be set. It was like I had a multitude of fish just going like into my head. And that was the moment, man, I was like Jesus, what are you doing? Like do you want me to go back? Like I was trying to share this with, with randy and them, and, and they were on board, but I don't think they were ready to scale or go that they could tell.

Speaker 2: 24:52

I think they could tell there was a different vision. All of a sudden, you know and, and, and. So when it came close to december and I told them when we started, I want to give it a year, so I fulfilled the year. I think we had that revelation sometime in August, but when it came, I talked to Tiffany and I told her that, look, I feel like we have our own vision that God just downloaded and always had a vision for us since we started. And I said, you know, but I need you. I just I feel like I have a vision now.

Speaker 1: 25:31

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 25:32

And I shared it with her, and she already. She, just at the time she had a job that she loved, man. She was working at the airport, she was growing in her position. I mean, they were offering her to continue to grow, to recognize how powerful she was. And then here I am, I'm her husband, her best friend. I'm starting to recognize how powerful she is too, and I'm like you know, I mean this job she had with Alaska Airlines.

Speaker 2: 25:58

She could jump on a plane and go to Japan and eat lunch first class, come back and no cost considered she was not going to give that up. I just had this really heart-to-heart one-on-one with her and just like, look, I know you're a beast, I know you're a beast. I know that if you can handle the administrative backend of the operations and somebody just just controlling that side of things and and then I can focus on what I do best with you know sales and certain things and then I believe we can really grow. And I have people still calling, because I got the ATN just kind of chilling. They're just still calling man, like we're getting emails and phone calls and it's like I think we could like hone these in and plug them and actually serve them and just keep growing. And I see it. You know, I was like super excited and passionate and I just I knew it was time and I knew it and so and she was just like nah I gotta.

Speaker 2: 27:01

I like my job, you know. It's just I gotta pray for it and I was like I didn't. I don't know if this was the right thing to do, but I offered a bonus like a starting bonus, anything I could to just like try to convince her in.

Speaker 2: 27:13

But, you know, god put it on her heart and she, she did it, man, she quit all her jobs and she went full force. And we both agreed that I needed to go full force for my license for God really to open the doors. And so it wasn't about the program or anything like that, it was more about just, I think, a season of, you know, being exhausted and clocking out and washing the nets, and and Jesus, you know was, was speaking through my wife to give. It was like my wife said hey, go, you know, throw the nets out in the deep. Here's a, here's a program, try this.

Speaker 2: 27:52

And I, you know, in that moment just really connected with that story and, um, and it was a moment where I realized I needed a partner. And it was a moment where I realized I needed a partner, you know, and I needed a partner in the physical sense, like somebody to be on that that think that walt disney was just on his own, all right. Well, yeah, and he was the artist of mickey mouse, but he wasn't, it was eyes works, I think he used to sit in the office and do like 600 drawing frames a day to create animations. Back then, and walt disney was the visionary to say, man, let's, let's try to turn this into something, and I think, uh, eyes works. Put together this whole animation before the steamboat mickey, and that was the first like like moving animation cartoon. But then, you know, disney had the idea to put music with it, and, and then there, and then when they showed it to the public, everyone's like whoa cartoons, you know. And so it just kind of blew up from there and so, um, there's just you.

Speaker 2: 29:00

So many people that had that second boat. You know Steve Jobs had Steve Wozniak, you know the master of the machine, and people like Martin Luther King had Ralph Abernathy, ralph Abernathy. Lecrae had Ben Washer. If you don't know these people, just go look them up, man, it's like Lecrae was, you know, one of the probably the best I don't know, best is the right word but most successful Christian hip hop artist, and he had Ben Washer there to do things administratively. So I think every visionary has somebody who can implement and execute Right. And so Tiffany's a visionary too, don't get me wrong. She, she brought so many amazing ideas, but I just needed somebody to partner with me in that moment. And so that's, that was the the the game changing moment, I think, for ATN, and that's when we started ATN. See, we used to be All Things New, and now we started a new entity with a license called ATN.

Speaker 1: 30:05

Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, that's when.

Speaker 2: 30:06

ATN birthed was 2016. And we brought the name in All Things New doing business as All Things New, so we integrated them together.

Speaker 1: 30:14

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 30:28

So funny because when I was reading that portion I was like yo don't do it, tiff, continuing on the two boats. And the reason why it was like, here is the message, man, for people watching um, like, you know, not not saying people can't do it on their own. You know, not saying that every, every business, your wife or your husband needs to be a partner, you know, but I do believe in. Moses needed aaron, you know. Uh, then people are like what about jesus? Well, jesus needed john the baptist, you know, it's like god had always had in mind for us to have a partner. That's why there's probably marriage.

Speaker 2: 30:56

That's why, uh, the one of the most successful business owners of all time, solomon, said you know, when two are together, you know I forget what he says he says the profit is bigger, or something along those lines. And why I referenced two boats is because the the amount of fish was so many that they needed the second boat to come grab the fish hey, come on. And so to bring it back. They needed that and that's what I call overflow. Man is like and you know a lot, you know, look at overflow, or think of it as this like super blessing in your life. I've heard it preached from prosperity preachers about hey, overflow, if you do this, this and this, like it's a process to get overflow.

Speaker 2: 31:51

But the word overflow I used to not really like saying it because of that context you know it's that context you know, but if I were to like share what it means in the sense and the context of the two boats. And what it means to me is, like God says that he gives to a cheerful giver. He gives to a cheerful giver, so he is going to pour into you if you like to pour into people, and so overflow is exactly what it is. If I have a cup and you pour water into it and you get to the brim, what happens? If you're still pouring water into it?

Speaker 1: 32:35

What does it, do it overflows.

Speaker 2: 32:36

It overflows, overflows that's what overflow is do you think god's gonna overflow you and waste some water? Answer that right, no, no, no. So when we think of overflow as a selfish, personal survival thing, or success, or over blessing, god's not gonna do that, man. Yeah, I'm gonna tell you straight up god's not gonna overflow you and waste water.

Speaker 1: 33:01

He's he's stewards man, let's go.

Speaker 2: 33:03

He's stewards. So two boats is when you bring another cup over to the cup. And what happens now when it overflows?

Speaker 2: 33:12

it fills the other cup fills the other cup and then, if that cup lets another cup come, what happens? You feel that. So what happens to the one feeding the water? It keeps it running.

Speaker 2: 33:23

So overflow is exactly what happened to us was we had the heart to give, we had the heart to serve, we had that heart to pour into others, to serve, we had that heart to pour into others. And when I brought Tiffany on, that was the whole juncture of that time in our business and our lives was God was saying Richie, I want to overflow you, but I can't do it unless you bring the second boat next to you, like, I'm ready to bless you with so much fish you can't even handle, but those fish can't be wasted. I need them to come to shore. Can you imagine if they had three boats or four boats or five boats? So my point is is the positioning, the repositioning of my heart and understanding what god was doing, and and positioning me to have a second boat and then, as we scale, bring in more boats. Who are we going to pour into? Bring in employees, subcontractors, anybody we could, to allow the overflow happen.

Speaker 2: 34:25

And that's what overflow is. It's not to bless you, it's to fill you and bless you but to overflow and bless others as well. So it's two-pronged. And so when we look at it like that, and you're a vessel like peter and empty your boat so you can be filled, that's so good, bro. That's two boats, man, two boats.

Speaker 2: 34:45

And that's where me and tiffany's journey started and grew and, uh, our positioning of our hearts and mind personally when we started that Teams and people are assets, man, and I don't mean just like to devalue them personally or anything like that, but as a business owner, just knowing that more people the better, more people the better. There are strategies not to hire too many too soon. But if you're in a place where you can hire or bring somebody or partner with somebody, it can help scale because you need people to grow. You know Apple doesn't run on just Steve and Steve at the time. You know they end up hiring thousands and thousands of people, you know. And so that's part of growth is understanding. In order for that flow to happen, you just need more cups.

Speaker 1: 35:40

That's good, but that requires for you to put down your pride.

Speaker 2: 35:44

It does In thinking that you can do everything right.

Speaker 1: 35:48

Well, that's about it for today, guys. Right before we close, Richie, here's the verse Two are better with the greatest businessman, Solomon. Yes, Two are better than one because they have a good return for their labor.

Speaker 2: 35:59

Yes.

Speaker 1: 36:00

Teams, teams. Yeah, so it says, if one falls, another one lifts him up.

Speaker 2: 36:07

And that's huge man, it's. You know, not the saying falls will come, but we're all tripped, you know, like we all trip and just to know that somebody's there to catch you. You know, uh, falling alone sucks, you know, you've ever done that, that's a t-shirt, bro. That's a, that is a shirt. Because you know you, you could fall, break your back phone like flies out. You can't even go get it and it's like you're just laying there, man. I see that in the movies. I just feel so bad for them, man.

Speaker 1: 36:36

It's like but yeah, falling alone sucks that's I'm thinking about now, like when you do fall alone. It's like you have to wait for the pain to to go away and then you can get up to go call the police. Yeah, what if someone's there?

Speaker 2: 36:51

man, right away I used to have this friend every time he fell he, how much times does this guy fall?

Speaker 2: 36:59

a lot, but he would uh his name is ryan, ryan, he was. He's hilarious, he's like the jim carrey of my life, man, he's just he's just hilarious dude but every time he fell, he, he, uh he would lay there like he's dead, like every single time, like just just complete dead, and so some falls would be very dramatic. We used to climb roofs and stuff. When we're a kid. He'd fall off the roof and he'd just lay there like I'm like, oh my gosh, like is he joking or is this real? Is?

Speaker 2: 37:27

this a comical decision, like yes, okay yes, it's definitely, thank god, yeah, he's, uh, yeah, he would. He would do the full-on body numb dead and he would try to pick up his arm and everything, just full-on every time he's so good at it, breathing stop and everything. He just like it was like his thing, right Bye.