Recovery Discovery | w/ Luke Wendlandt (Cadre.io)

Luke Wendlandt joins Craig and DeAnn to discuss Cadre, a mental health platform inspired by social media, aiming to support employees' mental well-being. He highlights that 83% of employees have experienced a depressive episode in the past year. Luke shares personal stories, including missing a job opportunity, which led to a transformative role at the Hazelden Betty Ford Foundation. He emphasizes the importance of addressing stigmatized topics like substance use and mental health through community support and preventative care. Cadre integrates mental health and substance use, offering content, live streaming, and community features to foster recovery and well-being.

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Transcript

DeAnn Knighton: 0:00

Hey everybody, welcome back. Craig and I are here today with Luke Wendlandt of CADRE. CADRE is a first ever platform inspired by social media, but for mental health. It's kind of like going to YouTube, Tiktok, Instagram, and only seeing videos and content from trusted sources on grief, loss, mental health, professional development, anxiety, depression, yoga and meditation. Luke, I hope that sounds familiar, because those are your words I stole right off of another interview you did. I'm so glad you're here today.

Luke: 0:33

So glad to be here. DeAnn. Craig, thank you so much. DeAnn, is right on the money that quote is accurate. We always kind of say it's like if Instagram, Tiktok, Twitter, Facebook had a baby that would be born, would be cadre, and ultimately, our goal of CADRE is to truly take my tagline on LinkedIn just make the world a better place. Employees are struggling. We know that 83% of employees have had at least one depressive episode in the last year. I don't know exactly what depressive episode means, but I imagine, I think I know what it means. But with that being said, there's a lot of work that we can do for organizations and their teams. A lot of people go to work every day, and we're struggling, so we just want to help. That's what we're all about. Love it. Okay, well, so I'm going to quote you back to yourself again, and I'm hoping you can give me a little more context on this quote, because what it says is, I love the gutter life. I believe that is where the magic really happens. If I would go back and I would look at the three most pivotal moments of my life, all of them were sprung through quote, unquote defeat, right? So I'll give you an example. I'll give you one example. I was at Thomson Reuters, great company, fortune 700 organization, on our backyard here, of Minneapolis, St Paul. And I remember interviewing for a role that was to be a field consultant, a field executive consultant. You know, my pay would basically double. I thought I was a shoo in MBA. Everything said, been at the organization now for XYZ tenure. I knew the hiring manager. I was like, This is it? This is my next step. I was even telling my wife, I'm like, we're going to move to Oklahoma City. And I'll never forget the email on that Friday at four that said, you know, Luke, I'm sorry. We're we've moved on with a different candidate, basically. And I was completely defeated, absolutely defeated. But then I look at and go, it is completely changed. The entire trajectory of my life, right? Like being low and missing has turned me into the opportunity to say, let's go seek out what's available, what other opportunities might be there. And I ended up at the most magical place in the world for me, which was Hazel and Betty Ford Foundation. And I will never forget the email from that my dear friend Roxanne vold, that accepted my bin or whatever you want to say, the accepted the interview. And I got that email, and when I received that email, I was like, interesting Hazel and Betty Ford. So I started doing some research, looking at it, and you realize, like, holy cow, 13 years later that no and Miss changed the entire trajectory of my life over these last 13 years. What if? What if I would have became that law firm consultant in Oklahoma City, I would have never done the things I did. That's just one example of, like, the gutter of life. I am a firm believer. And we tell our kids all this all the time. You know, there's do hard things, but we do. We actually, really do. You know, we set goals on the weekends for each other. So it's like daily goals, weekly goals, yearly goals. I think I've told you both about the musogee, something so big each year that you go after that really pushes you. That is the gutter. Like you're intentionally going in the gutter to, like, make a big change in your life. And what you'll find is, for example, in 2023 I did 107.6 miles straight around White Bear Lake over and over and over again for the 107,660 that lost their life in 2022 from opioid use disorder. And when I did that run, I was alone, and I was I, you know, call it like in the gutter again, and I'll never forget it. At mile 50, my wife brought my son, my 10 year old son, and some of my friends that arrived, and it's like you go from alone, nowhere, nobody hurt, stressed, to completely inspiration, like you have all the inspiration world, like there's no way I'm not going to finish this last 47 miles, but it's because you were in the gutter and you knew how bad that felt. And then when you get out, you're like, oh my gosh, this is unbelievable. And I want to see this last I want to see it go so I believe some of the best things in the world can be spurned from some of the worst.

DeAnn Knighton: 4:53

I love that. So what about the CADRE story and how you landed there? Is it a similar type of Story,

Luke: 5:00

I wish I could say yes, but a little bit of yes and no. So I personally have generalized anxiety disorder. I went through panic attacks for years and years. I was that employee that I talked about, about the 83% like I what I meant by the 83% have had a depressive episode. I just don't know how they define depressive episode, but that was me like, that was me at work, like I was depressed, I was low, I was binge drinking, I was doing anything that I could to feel better about myself, trying to figure out my identity, you name it. You know, mid 20s, early 30s. What am I doing on this planet and why so? Yes, there's a part of cadre that is absolutely looking into my inner child in her 20s to say, how can we help that next, Luke, I know that you both probably may have had your own issues or stuff that's went on in your life, but could just imagine if we had a tool that we could help our younger self and find clarity, quicker, cleaner, faster, more efficient. That's my dream, of my goal. Like, that's like the ethos of it. The reality is, I was sitting in the pandemic with my wife, and we were riding peloton bikes a lot next to each other. And we were riding bikes, she would pick somebody, I would pick somebody. She would listen to somebody. I would listen to somebody. And it was great to exercise. But was really awesome was to listen to the individual speaking and try and, you know, motivate you, pumping you up, doing things. I'm like, what if we took, like, a mental health and wellness approach to this and talked about grief, depression, loss, and, yes, there's yoga and meditation, etc, but what about the all the things that are stigmatized that we want to bring forth, even women's health, menopause, Men's Health, fertility, lack thereof, right? Like, let's, let's talk about it, and let's form communities where people can show up and go, me too, me too, in a very positive, enlightening way. So that's, that's just what I believe, is one of the like, what springboarded it, if you will. But at the end of the day, you know, I'm always trying to look around corners, like, what's next? Where's it going, what's happening, and why in so, you know, organizations now are trying to kind of, quote, unquote, keep up for their employees, mental health. And it's like, this is always what it's been for me, like, for the last, however, many years. Like, how can we give employees the best experience possible in their eight plus hours that they're giving to these organizations to be their best self? That's That's my hope, through cadre.

DeAnn Knighton: 7:35

How about the name? Is there a story there again?

Luke: 7:37

I wish I had something better than this, but, um, specifically, the definition of CADRE is a group of individuals skilled for a particular purpose. It's a military term. But the reality is, the way I take it as is, individuals who've been through and I hope I can say this, individuals that have been through shit know how to get through shit together. And I believe that with all my heart and when, when, you go through something, people want to gravitate towards somebody. So it's like my cadre, my people, my team. So that's how it came up. And I just I did, like, literally, the old Google of like, what would be, another synonym to what would be, you know, a definition of what would be. And I just kept looking and looking, looking. I remember, reading in this one book. It was David Goggins, can't hurt me, and he was talking about his cadre of teammates and the Navy SEALs. And I was like, Oh, that's awesome. I love how he referenced it, like my team, my cadre, my people. And that's my hope. Is, when people come to cadre, they feel like it's their people. I think that's a great story. Oh, I also, yeah, one of the things, and I think the reasons that we're talking today, and that I love about the product that you've created, is that it does integrate mental health and substance use, and I really appreciate that so much of that work lives sort of on these two parallel roads out there, particularly things that are marketed to, like employers. So that was definitely something that kind of drew us to having this conversation with you today. Is there any thing that you could tell us, just sort of about the inspiration, about integrating substance use into your work? There's a lot there. I think there's my personal story, which I kind of touched on briefly, but I would also like to add, there's a story specifically of a dear friend of mine I just want to share. It's just take a little bit of time here, if that's okay, my dear friend, I'm going to say his name, because I know he would not care. My dear friend, Ted, was working with Thomson Reuters with me, and I was there with Ted every day, right? I saw him at lunch. We worked together. Sometimes. We'd do happy hours. We would do all the above, right? And nothing stuck out to me that Ted had a problem. Nothing did like he was funny. Laugh a minute. Great guy. Family married all of it. And. Uh, one day Ted was gone from work. He was gone. He was literally gone. And it was day one and day three, day seven, when day 10 hit. I texted his wife, Casey. Was like, Hey, Casey, what's what's going on with Ted, and where is he? We haven't seen him. I'm worried. And she replied back to me that said, he'll be back in a little bit, and he'll I bet, I think it's best for him to explain to you where he went. And so I was like, Okay, I have no idea what this means, but when Ted came back, he was gone for 90 days, and he went through inpatient residential treatment at Hazel and Betty Ford Foundation, and then he had a 60 day outpatient stay at, let's call it a halfway house, a sober living environment. And then he incorporated himself back to his family, his children, you name it. And then also back to work. And when I saw Ted come back and this new Ted, and how he showed up in what he was doing and what he was participating in, and his boundaries and his persona, he he said something else. Never forget, he's like, I was just living a fake life, and and like, when he said that, he's like, I was just living a fake life, I was hiding everything. And he was just telling me all of this. And he in mind, you we had spent countless hours together. So, you know, you just look at that's one example, one example. And I bet you, when somebody hears this, they'll say, I've had that talk. I've had a conversation with a colleague. I've connected with I've done the same thing. Alcohol is still as stigmatized in the workplace as ever. People are worried about losing their job, right? I mean, Ted said it to me, it's like I was worried that I was going to have to resign or I'd be fired. And how great was it that the organization showed up and said, you can take this help, and we're going to offer you help. Please take it, and you did. And I know many more organizations are, you know, taking that approach too, which is commendable, and I love it, and I thank them for doing that. But we need to educate and inform not only the individual suffering, but the leadership and those individuals that are overseeing those individuals. I always say, Nobody comes to work and says, I want to be terrible at my job. I want to come to work and I want to be wreaking havoc. I want to come out to work and I want to be chaotic, that I just believe in my heart of hearts. And nobody wakes up every day to do that. They wake up and they want to do their best self. But there's stuff getting in the way. And our job at CADRE is to ensure that, you know, the recovery, the Substance Abuse size, is normalized, that we can talk about it, and that managers can go look up and Google ask type of search or work with the chat GPT version of our cadre companion to be able to learn things and listen to videos. And we have a specific day all set up. Sunday is our recovery day, which covers everything from substance abuse to sober living to helping individuals that need help. What do we do? How do you do it? Why do you do it? So we have 1000s of videos in recovery, and I think it's so very important that that conversation continues in the workplace. Because not only does it cost organizations hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars, it's also caused costing humanity. And that's what I'm more concerned about, is the wife who's struggling, the husband who's struggling, the son who has something going on, like, let's give them the tools in their toolbox to do what they need to be the best version of themselves.

Craig Knighton: 13:33

So Luke, what I like about what I see about cadre, is that it's not necessarily about waiting for someone to find the gutter right and to bottom out and to have to go through the worst of the possible recovery processes, but seems instead to be appealing to people that might just be mental health, curious or sober, curious or are just starting to feel like they're losing control or losing their grasp on having the life that they want to have, and maybe helping to prevent those things from happening in the first place. So is that part of the thinking that by providing the kind of content that you have, that you might be able to help prevent these things from happening in the first place?

Luke: 14:18

Preventative Medicine is not sexy. The orthopedic surgeon, that's, you know, repairing your ACL, MCL, doing the surgery for your lower back, etc. Those, those are the big surgeries, taking somebody at the acute one to one level. This is health care, you know, right? It's the triangle, where you land on the top of the triangle, and then you figure it out after you receive the one to one services, our thought process has always been especially with like my past life of running residential treatment programs is where individuals have landed consistently on the top and by top, I mean most acute level. How do we get individuals. To actually land on less acute levels and prevent things. And you know, we talk about prevention in our schools. We talk about preventative medicine. The reality is, we all, me included, wait till it's too late. We wait till it's too late. And what we want to normalize is, let's not wait. Let's Let's learn. Let's have this like amazing tech. Let's use Tech for Good where we can have these amazing content contributors, vetted peers and professionals that share on topical areas. Consideration to say, you know, maybe the pre stage diabetic that I may be, let me try to change that. Maybe I am having that second and third glass of wine at night, and I don't know. Why am I? Am I staying home one or two days a month from work because I'm depressed or anxious or low? Am I? Am I coming to work, and I'm very, very nervous about my performance review every single time, and I don't know how to share that with my boss, professional development, right? Like, how do we learn to be able to, like, take these things and actually roll them into life and roll them in to learn and develop and grow, and then prevention, I believe actually can be sexy. It can be the sexy thing where people want to go to and want to learn and want to develop. You know, we talk about doing the work, right? And a lot of people, I still don't think, know what that really means. And I think what it really means is just looking inside yourself to say, am I my best self today? Am I my best self today? And if the answer is no, me, the answer is no, well, what can I do? Is it my mom and dad are aging, and I know I'm going to lose both of them, and grief is something I'm scared about. Maybe I want to tune into Thursdays to listen to everybody talking about grief and loss so I can prepare myself for that event. So when it does happen, I can be, hopefully, a better version than otherwise, what it could be for me. So I'm just using that as one example that I think, you know, sometimes, like, derails a lot of human beings, and we don't even know it is grief. So I hope that helps crack. Yeah, I love what you said about, you know, kind of that concept of hiding in plain sight with your story about Ted, and I think that I also love the use of the word normalization. That's something that we have talked about a lot around here, in particular with inclusivity for people who are in recovery in their workplaces, because there is such a cultural phenomenon of happy hours and drinking and having to explain why you're not drinking. And you know, there definitely is a movement, I think, in that direction which is really positive, again, happily not using abstaining from alcoholic beverages. I would userecovery loosely with my lifestyle, like I do not attend meetings, I do not do those things, but I am very intentional about how I live my life and why I live, live my life, and those individuals that do participate in meetings and that works awesome, and I love it, and I'm so happy for you, and I commend you. That's just not for me, but to teach their own, right? But I will never forget going golfing after I was, like, six months without and normally, you know, the guys would get together, we'd golf, and there'd be some alcoholic beverages and all the things. And I'll just never forget, like, being on, you know, the 14th, 15th hole with my friends just going, I can't wait to get off this. Course, it wasn't even fun for me. You know, there was the same normalizing alcohol where it got to the point where definitely tipsy and not, and behaviors I participated in for years and years and years, not not knocking them. It was just what happened, you drank a little bit too much. And, you know, you you go from not talking at all the first few holes to talking a lot, and then, not only talking a lot, maybe using words and jargons and language you normally otherwise wouldn't use, talking about stories from the, you know, 20 years old. And I just, I just didn't want to do that anymore. And so I had to find a new group of friends that when I did golf with, you know, we talked about maybe sauna, cold plunge, what did you for your wife on Mother's Day? What did I do for for my wife? Like, how could you get back self care, you name it. And so I think you have to find a group that ultimately you want to change with, and people you want to change with that, you can normalize this new way of life and feel really confident in yourself. Because if, if you go and you're consistently worried about the same thing, like, do I fit in? You know, this is uncomfortable for me, I encourage you to find a new group, because there are people that will. To absolutely take you in like a sponge and want to grow with you, and want to see the new season of life change through their changes that they've made. So that's one encouragement I just want to share with the audience, is don't like don't dwell on those moments that it maybe didn't go good for you. You know one time or two times back after that, or you know, that work happy hour, and you've said no, no, no, and the one time you go, someone says, Well, why aren't you drinking? Luke, and then you can, you know, just kind of like, politely excuse yourself, and then you might find a different event at work.

Craig Knighton: 20:38

Luke, maybe I could tie the your conversation about community to your product here a little bit, and maybe what is it's happening and coming, part of the big ideas of what you're building. It occurs to me that the world has been trying to solve this problem. People have things they survive and need to recover from, and people look for other people like them in that process, but there really isn't a way, and Googling is not the answer to that question. There isn't a way to find that new community, that new group of friends, at least not in a way I see that as being one of the keys to prevention and to avoiding the hard bottom right by starting to make some subtle changes like that early is that? Is that on the roadmap? What are you doing, from the point of view of not just building content like you are related to these things we share as problems, but but to enabling the recovery process and the building new friendships and new communities, is that part of the vision?

Luke: 21:42

Oh my gosh, my best friend. We just did a podcast yesterday. Her name is Jen garaly. She is amazing. I love her. She's founder of the Mindful Drinking Movement, sober, curious. That works all of it. I love her and her concepts in the conversation around workplace, normalizing or lack thereof of alcohol, when the workplace, I think, is, I think it's ahead of its time. Like I told her yesterday, it said you're Tesla, everybody else is going to haveElon Musk, like him. Hate him. I'm just saying like you're Tesla. You're thinking ahead on the electronic battery. And, you know, running electronic vehicles, you're doing the same thing with sober workforce recovery, workforce normalizing the lack of alcohol, normalizing, you know, non alcoholic happy hours, like you're there, you're just ahead of your time. And so she, she knows that she's doing some wonderful things, yeah, and you're probably still very much in the phase where you're not really worried yet about how you're going to make money, because you're mostly trying to drive engagement. Build communities. Build these, these groups, right that that find and stay engaged and stay there for each other as a community, and then the ways to make it a business emerge from that.

Craig Knighton: 23:03

But is there anything you want to say about what you think is going to happen there, or is it just too early to tell?

Luke: 23:11

Yeah, bear with me for one second. So when we were we were building cadre, we were talking about, truly the problem, right? Like, what really is the problem? You know, they always say, like, build the problem you're trying to solve. Dot, dot, dot. But first of all, what really is the problem? And the problem is, you're driving on this road, and you're either going to take a left or a right. The left is, I'm going to google it, and the right is, it's a little too late, and I need one to one acute services for whatever this might be, right? So you're off to the left or off to the right, what you find is there's this big, big space in the middle that nobody has really had that drive straight ahead yet. And what the drive straight ahead for us is is always been okay. Let's start with content, live streaming, pre recorded content, and then as of I think, three months ago, we built in now all the different community features. So we have 12 different communities that are public communities. So when you join cadre, you actually select the communities that you want to be involved in. Next phase is now placing our coaches. We've had 150 people that have participated in developing and creating content on cadre, but now it's putting each one of those coaches into each one of those communities, and they are going to be able to provide, which I'm so jacked about, free coaching, to groups, to community groups, so and then the one to one services is, obviously, is cost. There's no doubt about it. But for to provide those community engagements, we do our own in person events. We provide those communal events. We've done it virtual. We've done all of it, but to create actual communities driven for representative niches that we can say, Let's use an example, retired police officers. We could literally create a community and have retired I'm just using that as an example, like you could create anything that you want now on cadre. So not only is it in the roadmap, it has been one of those things that we've like literally put a flag down the ground to say we will create community, and we are going to continue to create community at 1000 5000 100,000 plus individuals, and we are going to ensure that the community is driven specifically niche based, which is really important. So back to the point of like, showing up with those people, participating in things with those individuals, because then the sky's the limit from there, you can basically say, Oh, those folks can connect on their own. The coach could lead the group. We could have representative webinars, specific live streams, creating content accordingly, developing work group plans. You know, we could do all of it from there. So I would say we're anywhere between three to six months out to have, like our fully communal development build exactly how we want to, but you got to live and learn through all the development when you're building tech. I'll just tell you that right now. Never done it before, but it's been an amazing process. This may sound really crass, so I want to be careful. I have in the last 13 years, 12 years, it's never, ever been about money. And having it not be about money had allowed for an eight digit sale of an organization that I started. It was never about it. It was never about it, and it's still never about it. And if you if your driver is revenue, I'd encourage you to go back to the think tank and wonder why you're doing what you're doing. And you really have to think like, why did we build North Star behavioral health? We wanted to change as many lives of those individuals suffering from opioid use disorder. That was it. That was our mission. We are going to help as many people that need help. We just didn't fill a bed, to fill a bed, right? Like, no, we're going to help the right person get the right help at the right time, support those individuals, save lives, do whatever it takes. It's the same thing here, right? Like, if the number one driver, which also is, like, why we didn't raise VC money, why we've never went private equity, why we didn't race to the next sale? No, let's do it right? Like I told the group, like we are going to go tortoise, rabbit, and then we'll go faster, but like, we want to grow accordingly to ensure that we can make the most amount of impact. And if we can't do that, I mean, what are we doing anyhow?

Craig Knighton: 27:40

It's fantastic and it's noble, quite frankly, that that's the case they I think what I'm getting at is that is that this is the reason that the world and or at least the free market, so to speak, hasn't solved the prevention problem yet. Not only is it not sexy, nobody understands the direct line to the building a business out of it. And I think whether it would be the government, which is probably the wrong organization to try to tackle and solve that problem, or someone with your thinking, which is that, as long as you just do good, the money will follow, right? The do good, and they will come. That's enough.

Luke: 28:24

One of the major issues with prevention is the abstract, right? So I'll give you an example.For every 7% of individuals that become less. I'm just going to use a diabetic. Over the next 20 years, we will save $780 million in health care costs, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I think it's really hard to conceptualize that, and also to prove the ROI of it, to finance guy and all those other people that you're trying to prove, like, let's move the initiative forward. Let's move it because, you know, they're living in their quarterly earnings this quarter, right? Like they're, you know, can, can we make an impact? What does it do? The bottom line, what is this? What is this? And like, I think, yes, I understand that, but there's a short sighted approach to it. When you talk about human beings, human human beings are a long term investment, a long term investment in the short term investments. Cause, in my humble opinion, ear, what's that word error or something harm? Help me out. You know it's word I'm trying to say. Like, if all you're thinking about the short term and quickly helping the short term. I just believe in my heart of hearts, you will miss the long term potential of the human being that you're talking we prescribe to a similar thought process here. And when we started our little venture, we always had that in mind, you know, and it was just a Matter, some interests changing for me in terms of wanting to go the clinical route, which I have really enjoyed, but I'm also looking forward to now that I have that exposure to maybe get back into trying to help solve some of these problems. Now that I have that clinical lens, it felt important I got a good problem for you to solve with that so in the 10 years that I've operationalized residential treatment programs through the state of Minnesota. We always talk about value based care, all right, value based care. VVC, it's coming. It's coming. It's coming. Number one, what does that actually mean, and why does it mean it so bear with me. We have had probably 20 to 22 audits over the course of the years where you're evaluated for service delivery. What you're actually doing is trying to meet compliance standards. That's it. So you're there's never once been a question ever from insurance, from the state of Minnesota, from the Department of Health, from the Department of Human Services, that has ever asked me in 10 years about quality of care, the only quality that's defined is, are you compliant? And if you're compliant, you can bill, and if you can bill, you can keep your lights on, or you can, quote, unquote, hire and grow and do all the things. The interventions of every organization are built to ensure you're compliant, not change lives. So if you really want to make an impact, and you want to talk about value based care and what interventions are working and why, and build data and preventative data behind it. DeAnn, you have a gold mine of an opportunity to make a huge change, because those are facts like, that's not just pie in the sky. You know, founder talking about these are, this is our reality. And so I would encourage as many individuals as possible to use technology for good to say, are the interventions working? Is this an opportunity to we improve human lives that actually have an exorbitant amount of spend in substance abuse and residential treatment? Does it work? How does it work? Why does it work, and what is the impact? Those are questions we should be solving. Yes, there's compliance, and it's important. It is like bad actors all the things, right? But the most important thing is, are we doing right by the people that we get the privilege to work with?

Craig Knighton: 32:38

I'm sure everybody by now is wondering, how do I find out more? How do I get my hands on this? Maybe tell us where they should go

Luke: 32:45

first. I want to say, thank you. Thank you for inviting me. Thank you for having me on. I love talking about this. As you can tell, I'm very, very passionate about the space and the work. I love it more than anything. It means a lot to me. I am not like personally for myself, like, people say, like, follow along. I'm not on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Tiktok, I'm not in any of them. I'm on cadre. The one that I have to be on for business wise, is LinkedIn. So I am there. So if you ever want to connect or participate in the networking that's available on LinkedIn, I'm happy to participate with you there. Just look me up and on cadre, you can see, like my social journey, and participate with me and see what that's like. And you're going to find that there's really nothing but good out there. And you're learning a lot on cadre, which is our goal, and how to do it on either App Store, Google or Apple Stores, either one. Just literally search cadre, C, A, D, R, E, and you can have seven days, you know what? Just use access code inspired all capitals, and you can have it on me forever. So just use access code inspired and with a D, make sure you have a D inspired with a D, and then you can have cadre forever on me. And I hope that there's some parts to it, that if you need it one time a month, one time a year, or one time every day, that is great, too. Whatever you need it for, we hope it works and it supports you and your own journey.