MVP's WTF? Paranormal

Werewolves, Lycan, and Hairy People S8 E2

• Military Veterans Paranormal (MVP) • Season 8 • Episode 2

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Embark on a howl of an adventure as we explore the haunting legends of werewolves, the shadowy figures that have prowled the edge of reality and mythology for millennia. From the ancient Epic of Gilgamesh to medieval European trials, we unravel the tangled web of werewolf lore that has captured human imagination. Brace yourself for a journey into the past, where magic-infused Viking warriors don wolf pelts and where hypertrichosis blurs the line between man and beast.

Prepare for a spine-tingling encounter with history's darkest corners, including the bone-chilling confession of a 16th-century man accused of lycanthropy and the modern psychological phenomenon of clinical lycanthropy. We juxtapose this with lighter, yet equally curious anecdotes of modern-day werewolf sightings and the peculiar subcultures that idolize these creatures. Through tales of terror and tragedy, we'll connect the howls of ancient myth with the whispers of contemporary lore.

Finally, we unveil the extraordinary life of Gonzalves, the hairy nobleman of France, whose existence teetered on the brink of myth and reality. His story, which may have sown the seeds for "Beauty and the Beast," showcases the bizarre ways in which society has historically reacted to the unknown. Join us for a narrative that is as strange as it is true, and discover how the legend of the werewolf continues to captivate, confound, and, at times, amuse us as we seek to understand the beast within.

For further reading on the topics and people we discuss, we've linked more information below:

Hypertrichosis (The condition of people like the bearded lady)

Lycanthropy

The Hairy Family and the Habsburgs

The History of Werewolves

Werewolves: The Legend of Lycanthropy

Are werewolves real? The facts and history behind the myth

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EVAN:

Welcome back to MVP's. What the f***, what the f***, what the f***, what the f***? Paranormal podcast, where we talk about, well, everything the paranormal encompasses. So you ready? Let's f***ing do this. Oh s***, All right. Welcome back. Back everybody to another glorious episode. Uh, this particular episode we are going to be discussing the wolf men, the werewolves, dog men lots of different names for them throughout history and time. So, without further ado, let's fucking get into it fucking wolf.

WES:

How house right there thank, you know what I mean, though, yeah thank you.

TOMMY:

Thank you for that, I really appreciated that one you're fucking welcome. Oh man, all right.

EVAN:

So the wolves of where the werewolves. So for those of you out there that don't know or aren't aware, werewolves are some sort of mythological creatures, animals that certain tales would tell that humans would turn into a wolf-like creature under the full moon Possibly In some stories and in other stories it just can happen whenever or other stories. There's like a fucking ointment or some shit you rub on your body and you turn into a wolf yeah, or like uh, wolf pelts was a thing.

TOMMY:

Um, if you put these wolf pelts on, you know you would transform. I think that was in the vikings maybe talked about that you would don this, this magical wolf health, and you would transform into a wolf for for days. I think it was like seven days or ten days. That's a fucking badass.

EVAN:

That's why those I had no idea that vikings believed in them yeah, vikings the greeks, the romans, yeah, they would dawn on for strength uh ability, that kind of stuff yeah, the uh, the theory and and or legend of so-called werewolves goes back really far in history, actually, actually all the way back to the epic of gilgamesh um, where it mentions a like a witch or whatever that turns men into wolves. But it also goes into Greek mythology too, with the legend of Lycaon I think that's how you say his name.

TOMMY:

Yeah.

EVAN:

So those of you aren't aware of the Epic of Gilgamesh is actually older than the Bible. Like it's, it's an old ass book. Is that how old it is?

TOMMY:

Yeah, old as fuck.

MELL:

Ass.

EVAN:

Ass. Yeah, Bleep, bleep, bleep. But yeah, even in Nordic folklore, in the saga of the Volsungs that's where the wolf pelts come from the father and son had discovered those wolf pelts that would turn them into wolves for like 10 days or something.

TOMMY:

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it for like 10 days or something.

EVAN:

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it. But uh, yeah, so it's, it's, it's. In a lot of like ancient history, a lot of different cultures and religions had their different theories and myths and legends about, uh, people or you know, mostly men turning into wolves. And you know, for you people, you know nitpickers out there in the world that say, fucking werewolves aren't part of cryptozoology. Well, we don't really give a shit. We're here talking about it because it's interesting. Well, I mean, why wouldn't it?

MELL:

be?

EVAN:

yeah, I don't know, man, I'm curious just some nitpickers out there that you know. I guess some people want to think of cryptozoology, of like I guess more of on the on the lines of undiscovered creatures on the planet, you know, or yet or theorized creature animals like more just animals, not necessarily like myths and legends and stuff like that, but I feel like this could fall.

TOMMY:

It's a big gray area.

MELL:

I would think that it does count, because it is a fear. You know, it's a quote, unquote, monster that's what I think, man and fuck.

EVAN:

They're cool as shit to talk about yeah they are cool

MELL:

especially since you know we've discovered through research in our in a previous podcast about bill ramsey werewolf. Yeah, that was a wild show, the south end werewolf it.

EVAN:

Yeah, that was a wild show.

MELL:

The South End werewolf. It's an actual thing.

TOMMY:

That still blows my mind. I had no idea about that until you were talking about it, Mel.

MELL:

Yeah.

TOMMY:

It's an actual thing.

EVAN:

Yeah, there's lots of different. I guess I don't know what you diagnoses out there. You know, if people like you have the what's, the hypertrichosis, where people grow hair all over their body and their face and they kind of look like a wolf man.

TOMMY:

Like the ones you would find in the freak show. Yeah, right there, fuck. Yeah, yeah, those guys, the wolf.

MELL:

Yeah.

EVAN:

Is that a bearded lady?

MELL:

It is on the left of what I'm showing you. That is the very first documented family with hypertrichosis. They're from the Canary Islands and that was back in 1648, something like that yeah.

TOMMY:

It was a family of them or just one member of the family?

MELL:

No, it was the first recorded case, Petrus Gonsalves and there were multiple members of his family that had hypertrichosis.

EVAN:

That is trippy, just a whole family of hairy dudes.

TOMMY:

Or girls or both I mean I would assume there are at least one female in that group.

EVAN:

And then the picture on the right. Is that just a bearded lady?

MELL:

That is, it's a 17th century portrait of they called it the glamorous bearded woman, and her name was Barbara Van Beck.

EVAN:

Oh shit.

MELL:

Yes, she had a very long cascading beard. She was actually born in Bavaria in 1629. And so she went on tour across Europe as part of for 30 years, as part of like this high end traveling show.

TOMMY:

That girl has a gorgeous beard. I'm just going to say it.

EVAN:

She looks like the cowardly lion from Wizard of Oz.

WES:

Oh, you're going to strike the hell for that one.

MELL:

There's that.

WES:

I'm just putting it out there. Evan's over there being like man. She's perfect.

MELL:

I just want to pet your fur, but I would guess that that's why people would think that I mean the werewolf syndrome is basically hypertrichosis. Where they look like it, they've got that excessive hair growth and it's a different hair type from what would be on their head.

TOMMY:

I mean, is this still something that's happening today?

MELL:

Yeah, wow that is wild. Yeah, that's crazy.

TOMMY:

These are all current I don't know, man, if I looked like that, I think the last place I would go is the forest.

EVAN:

I'm just going to say, oh, you almost do look like that. What are you talking about?

WES:

what? Oh, you're hairy like animal.

EVAN:

God, I be very good and you're missing, like a like, a little portion there a little portion, like my entire fucking head, I mean yeah yeah

TOMMY:

I mean I look closer to that bearded lady no, so there's also another isn't there.

EVAN:

There's a mental disorder yes called lycanthropy. Yeah, and that's where people actually like believe that they're a wolf yeah, they've been transformed into some kind of animal.

WES:

is the belief of the?

MELL:

There's two Clinical lycanthropy it is a psychiatric syndrome where they believe they turn into a wolf. But zoanthropy clinical zoanthropy is where the patient has this belief of turning into any kind of animal. If we're talking about werewolves, it would be the clinical lycanthropy and that would be the issue of like the Southern werewolf, where he literally thought he was turning into a werewolf.

EVAN:

That's crazy and I mean, what can cause that? Is it like a form of, like some kind of psychosis or something it is?

MELL:

It's a psychiatric disorder, Okay, so it can be treatable with medications and stuff. Just so you know that there's since I think it was they did this study and they were able to track approximately no, I think they identified 43 actual reported cases of clinical lycanthropy and cananthropy from 1852 to 2020. So it's extremely rare and of those cases that were identified, there were 20 cases of full-on lycanthropy where they thought they were werewolves.

EVAN:

Did they try to hurt people and like anything? No shit.

MELL:

And then there were four cases of partial lycanthropy where I think that's what the Bill Bill Ramsey would fall into, where it was going back and forth.

EVAN:

Okay.

MELL:

And then the most recent case, I believe, was in 2020 in France. The person was 12 and with the use of medications.

EVAN:

So wait, this was a 12-year-old boy that thought he was a werewolf.

MELL:

In France. Well, actually he was in France, but his ethnicity was from the Ivory Coast. He's now in remission because the treatment is antipsychotic drugs. His diagnosis with the lycanthropy was a schizophreniform disorder.

EVAN:

Oh shit, yeah, that's wild.

TOMMY:

So the ones that legitimately think they're werewolves right. How do they even explain to them like, hey, this is a mental condition that you're going through, like you're not actually a werewolf.

MELL:

Well, that's with the use of antipsychotic drugs, so when they're in a, you know, a more cognitive state.

TOMMY:

All right, so it's in and out. It's in and out.

WES:

When you say remission, do you mean like their fur starts dissipating?

MELL:

No, so that's two different things. So the, the hypertrichosis is the one where they look very hairy, but with the lycanthropy, that's where they don't necessarily have the hair but they think that they are. So like with bill ramsey, he literally thought he was seeing his hands turn into claws and he was attacking people and crazy trying to eat them.

MELL:

I think there's ever been a case of those two things coming together in one individual not that I could find not that I, oh, so you, you looked yeah, because we had covered this, because the warrens claimed that bill ramsey was possessed and they did an exorcism on him which they claim cured him.

EVAN:

But yeah, we all know how that went.

MELL:

Yeah, all right.

TOMMY:

So, aside from the medical conditions, right Werewolves. The stories of werewolves.

EVAN:

Yeah, man, throughout history there have been several different, several occurrences of alleged werewolves, but it turns out most of these were that I've found, that I've looked into, were actually just serial killers. What trials and stuff they had over there in, uh, in all of that part of europe they, in 1521, there was these two french guys, pierre bergotte and michael verdun, that had allegedly, you know, swore some sort of allegiance to the devil. They were out in the woods one night, you know, they met these, these devilish figures, met them and they swore allegiance to the devil and whatnot.

EVAN:

but they gave them these, this ointment that they would put on them, on their bodies, that would turn them into wolves, into werewolves it rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again and they went on a basically a killing spree for like a while years, were killing people, innocent people, and under the influence of this so-called werewolf ointment, um, and eventually they got tried for it in 1521 and they confessed to brutally murdering, you know, several people and children, and they were both burned to death at the stake because of it was that part of the werewolf trials?

MELL:

yes yes there was a werewolf trials? Yeah, prior to the witch trials.

TOMMY:

There were werewolf trials that took place in europe from like the 15 I think it was like the 1500s through the 1700s and of all these people yeah, all all sorts of people.

TOMMY:

If you read into it, you know most of most of what it was was, you know, the underprivileged, the riffraff, the, um, the mentally ill people. They would, you know, snatch them up and really it was just a redirection of of all the issues that were going on, you know, with like hunger and lack of I don't even know what you would call it. You know just just bad scenarios and situations that were happening back then and they were the, the powers that be were looking for something to blame. So you know they were blaming werewolves and they went through a whole series of trials. And it's crazy, if you read into it, because the people that tried for this, you know you couldn't fight it there was.

TOMMY:

There was no good way to fight against it most, of them were the witch trials yeah, same same thing, and most of them would admit to being werewolves after they were tortured. But the craziest part of it is the executions that they did were more brutal than the crimes they committed. You know, not to say that it wasn't necessary, but some of these people, man, had like their skin removed with hot pinchers, like peeled their skin off. Holy shit, yeah, man, they'd remove them, uh, their body parts, one by one, you know, and then end with their head. One of the ones that happened in in France, uh, they removed all his skin and then worked up from his feet, removing you know portions of his body all the way to his head, and then they took his head and put it on a pike and on the pike had a carving of a wolf and then they put it out there. You know, it's like a warning to other people, like don't be werewolves that's ridiculous.

TOMMY:

Yeah, it was it was fucking brutal man. Brutal just like the witch trials. I had no idea I had no idea.

MELL:

I knew that um there was a guy named Peter Stump.

EVAN:

Stub.

MELL:

Stub. Was it Stub or Stump?

EVAN:

I think Stub, I think Peter Stub in Germany.

MELL:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was the werewolf of Bedburg.

EVAN:

Yeah, he was eventually blamed for all of those gruesome killings and stuff out there.

MELL:

He was accused of werewolfery. If that's a word, Show your mouth. I'm sorry.

TOMMY:

You're just coming off stupid.

MELL:

I'm coming off as stupid.

WES:

Mel, you're a bunch of werewolfery, right now.

TOMMY:

Well, werewolfery Instead.

WES:

of getting in trouble. You guys be careful about your werewolferies. Better stop with all that werewolfery. Instead of getting in trouble, you guys be careful about your werewolferies.

TOMMY:

Better stop with all that werewolfery.

MELL:

Find your head on a pike and and he had the biggest werewolf trial in in 1589.

EVAN:

Yeah.

MELL:

And then he was stretched on a rack before. That was before his torture started. And then he confessed that, you know, he'd been practicing witchcraft since he was 12 and that the devil gave him a magic girdle or something, and so he was able to metamorphose into the likeness of a devouring wolf.

EVAN:

He had, like some, enchanted belt that gave him the power to turn into a wolf.

TOMMY:

And he admitted that prior to torture or after torture, yeah go figure yeah.

MELL:

But for 25 years he had allegedly been a quote insatiable bloodsucker who gorged on the flesh of goats, sheep, women and children to killing and and eating 14 children and two pregnant women. Who's?

TOMMY:

that he.

MELL:

He said he ripped the fetus out and ate their hearts panting hot and raw. That's a quote, and he later described them as dainty morsels. One of the 14 children that he confessed to eating was his own son get the fuck out I'm dead serious. He said he went out into the sun with his son, into the woods, turned into a werewolf and ate him cold-blooded that's some fucked up shit.

MELL:

That's fucking brutal he allegedly also had an incestuous relationship with his daughter, which I don't think it was incestuous as more he forced himself upon her, but she actually was sentenced to die with him. What? Yeah, he was executed on Halloween 1589, alongside his daughter and a mistress. What they did was they put him on this wheel side his daughter and a mistress. What they did was they put him on this wheel, and so the flesh was torn from his body in 10 places with those red hot pincers, like you were saying, and then it was followed by his arms and legs, and then his limbs were broken with the blunt side of an axe before he was beheaded, and then his body burned on a pyre. His daughter and his mistress were flayed and then strangled and then burned next to his body yeah, I am holy shit, that is fucking brutal that is a punishment.

MELL:

Doesn't tell you don't be a werewolf. I don't know what does.

TOMMY:

Werewolfery.

MELL:

Yeah, werewolfery, churlish Frowned upon Churlish Churlish.

TOMMY:

God damn man, Don't be a werewolf back then, you know yeah.

EVAN:

Probably a bad idea. You're going to have a bad time.

MELL:

Yeah, when we're going to werewolfery, lycanthropy is a real thing.

EVAN:

Yeah.

MELL:

Now they don't transition into actual werewolves, but what they see when a person who does have lycanthropy is like Bill Ramsey was describing himself. He looked at his hands and he said he could see the claws, and so his hands would physically curl. Because, he was in his mind, he was and so I could see my claws to your toes, yeah, so my claws, my hands. I've seen your toenails, bro, so are you checking out my toenails?

WES:

this is you could be a werewolf hey, this is not a public place to be talking about this talking about you'd be checking out my feet, don't?

EVAN:

let.

MELL:

This is the perfect nonsense place because they're in their mind, they're seeing this change, they've convinced themselves, they feel the pain of the transformation.

WES:

Then, physiologically, they start to behave and modify their body and hunch over as if they are now does this have to go with and I know this is going to be like way out in left field, but you know, the people who dress up like dogs and stuff like that would just be part of that situation where you think you are something but you're negative no, you're talking about furries.

WES:

You're talking about furries and I'm not just talking about furries, but like there's this dude that just like spent 26 000 to look like a collie, oh yeah and he gets walked around and all that stuff. And the only reason why I say that is because, like the whole, what is this? Lichen, dioptery, whatever you want to call it, lycanthropy, werewolfery, but you're getting transformed into an animal and they behave like an animal. So wouldn't that fall in the same realm?

MELL:

Well, there's a difference? Because I don't think so, because clinical lycanthropy and what they're, they have like a sort of almost like a body dysmorphia kind of Well, I guess. And now you've got me.

EVAN:

Damn. These are the questions.

WES:

Hmm, because to me that follows right into that line. You transformed yourself into an animal. You believe, from this time to this time, that you are this animal.

MELL:

You can keep me cooped up in here. Okay, I am a peacock, you gotta let me fly that's very. You make a good point I think this is a choice, though no, because they're making a choice.

WES:

It doesn't say it just says the illnesses in which a person believes he or she has been transformed into an animal. Such persons behave like an animal. That's the whole definition of it.

MELL:

That's different than species dysphoria, because species dysphoria is more of the person. They know that they're human, but they have the desire to become a non-human have the desire to become a non-human.

EVAN:

So, anyways, um, where werewolves? Um, apparently there is some modern day sightings as well of werewolves. Oh yeah, stop it. Yeah, that's what they say. Um, the one such is, I guess, one of the most famous and well-known ones, is uh, been going on for quite some time, starting in the late 1930s, and the most recent sighting, somewhere in the 2011 area, is called the beast of Bray road.

TOMMY:

Yeah.

EVAN:

Hell yeah, I knew you were going there in Wisconsin.

MELL:

And I have no idea what you're talking about. Do tell. Seriously, you never found any never heard of when you were doing your your research before.

EVAN:

It's an interesting story, wesley. If you know more about it, please do tell, because I don't know a whole lot about this story.

TOMMY:

The Brairie Road. It's similar to the same stuff that was going on in Michigan right across the lake, with the Dog man in Michigan man.

EVAN:

All right, well, let's talk about the wisconsin one first, and then we'll get to michigan.

EVAN:

The beast of bray road is, uh, started with this guy named. This man don't know his full name, all they would know him by is shackleman. So, uh, one night, shackleman spots this wolf man, you know, standing about six to seven feet tall, you know, just digging some shit up over there in a field. Shackleman was terrified, of course, but also quite intrigued, and uh, he so he decided to come back to the same spot where he saw it the first time and that, you know, a couple days later and surprisingly, he saw the same beast again. Apparently, this beast, this werewolf, um, spoke to him in some unidentifiable language and, uh, I don't really know a whole lot of the story, where it goes from there, but it continues to go on where the, this werewolf has been cited by dozens of people over the years, over the decades, and one woman claiming that it's jumped up on the back of her car and all kind of crazy shit has been happening. What, yeah? So I don't know what's up with the shackleman guy.

TOMMY:

I don't know a whole lot of the story about him and what was all about this beast speaking to him and shit, but um a lot of people have claimed to see it and claim to have interactions with it over the years I was saying that, that whole Shackleman encounter, when that happened, when he was going through the field to go investigate this suspicious-looking beast, if you may.

TOMMY:

It had a sleek, hairy body, over six feet tall canine face, all of that. As he approached him, though, he got this smell of rotting meat, you know, or that foul smell Same thing people talk about with their Bigfoot encounters, you know, they get that weird strange smell, foot encounters, you know, they get that that weird strange smell. Um, but as he approached the, the beast, yeah, he said something that was indescribable, like he couldn't even describe what this thing was saying. He was talking, and then it stood all the way upright, turned around and ran off into the bushes. Now, if you look at, like, how hollywood has betrayed werewolves and such, knowing you know what they are air quotes are right um, why wouldn't this thing have just attacked this dude man, like? Why did they turn and run? You know what I mean?

MELL:

Well, I found a little more on Mr Mark Shackleman.

TOMMY:

Oh, you found his first name. Yeah, his name was Mark.

MELL:

Shackleman. He was the night watchman at the Catholic convent St Coletta. Do you guys know why? I know St Coletta.

EVAN:

No.

MELL:

That's where Rosemary Kennedy was sent after Joseph Kennedy. Her father had her lobotomized in 1941.

TOMMY:

Same place, Damn really.

MELL:

Mm-hmm, interesting, it's the same convent.

EVAN:

Small world.

MELL:

Yeah, so the first time when it ran probably because he was startled the next morning then he went and told his wife about the creature. He said its thumbs and little fingers looked shriveled, and then so he went back to the mound where he said it's thumbs and little fingers look shriveled. And then so he went back to the mound where he saw it and discovered raking marks in the dirt. And then, when it turned tonight he went back towards that mound and that's when he said the creature was covered with darker black hair and like Shackleman. Mark Shackleman was isn't was in his mid th30s and he was a former heavyweight boxer.

MELL:

So he's pretty fucking he, he was, he was pretty big and so he said a fucking beast then yeah, he said.

MELL:

He prayed to god to save him and started saying prayers out loud and then it turned and walked away. For a long time I stood there that bad smell hung in the air and then I said another prayer of thankfulness and I never saw that thing again or anything even like it. He called it a hell hound, he said. He heard the creature say Gadara, which resembles Gadara, which is a site mentioned in the Bible where Jesus exercised a demon-possessed man.

TOMMY:

Why would he say that?

MELL:

I don't know. Gadara is where there was a demon-possessed man that was coming out of the tombs, coming from the tombs in ancient Judah, and so Jesus exercised that demon-possessed man, that demon-possessed man, and if you think about what story you just told me, it's almost similar to like the creature had been clawing at a burial mound.

EVAN:

That's fucking wild. That's crazy. I'm glad you pulled that up, because I did not have any of that information.

MELL:

Well, you know, I am a master of finding random bits of information.

TOMMY:

That's one of the things you do. Yeah, that's my job, job, you know because you don't a lot, but that's one of the things you do yes I, I have a lot of I don't yeah the list is long, so we know about the mr wisconsin and shackleman.

EVAN:

Now, what's up with this michigan thing? All right, the dog man to this information yeah the dog man of mich.

TOMMY:

You know it's similar to what's going on in Wisconsin and there are sightings. I think the last sighting of him was 2015, maybe, but anyways, the first sighting was in 1887. And there were a couple loggers out lumberjacks, if you will out doing their daily duties. They spotted this, you know seven foot tall, dog-like creature gazing upon them as they worked, and when they stopped and looked at it, you know it turned and ran um.

TOMMY:

After that, there was a bunch of bunch of other encounters that took place, one of which was a man fishing along the Muskegon River and he was attacked by a pack of wild dogs and he also had a shotgun on him at the time, while he was fishing, because this is the early 1900s and I guess that's just what you did. But he fired the shotgun in the air and scared away the entire pack of dogs except for one, and this one dog stood up on its hind legs and stared at him. And this is a dog, you know this isn't like a werewolf or a bigfoot or anything, just a normal looking wild dog but it stood up on its hind legs and stared into this man's soul, where he fired at the dog again. The dog dropped down and took off and ran. I can't think of a lot of times where a dog has just bowed up to me like that, so I imagine that was a pretty crazy scenario that played out.

MELL:

So multiple people have seen this.

TOMMY:

Yeah, yeah, no, so much, in fact, that there is a song about the Michigan Dogman. It's an actual song, and somewhere in the Northwoods darkness.

EVAN:

A creature walks upright.

WES:

And the best advice you may ever get is don't go out at night.

TOMMY:

Yeah, this is. It broadcasted over the radios and everything. I think that happened in like the early 90s. Maybe is when the song came out 1987.

MELL:

It was supposed to be part of an april fool's day joke there you go oh wow, that's it I just see now that someone recently, as recent as 2019 someone called on star you know that thing in the car. Yeah, yeah, I'm familiar they reported that dog man ran in front of the car and flipped their car over what?

EVAN:

holy shit. There's also dog men sightings in like pennsylvania too. Um Same style kind of creature six to seven feet tall, weighing anywhere from three to 500 pounds, stands up on hind legs, dog face covered in hair.

MELL:

So would you say that's the same thing as a werewolf?

TOMMY:

I mean that would be my guess. Kind of what it sounds like that Pennsylvania stuff. You're talking about Evan, that whole Maine, how Myraves, that's a big story.

EVAN:

Yeah, I'm not aware of that. I've heard of the Palmyra Wolves, but I haven't looked into it too much.

TOMMY:

I seen it. Did you guys ever watch that show? Paranormal Witness at any point in time? It's like that reenactment style show. Witness at any point in time. It's like that reenactment style show. Season three is when I first heard about the palmyra wolves and that was on that show. That that's a wild story. It was basically this uh, these, these, this couple had bought this ranch house out in the middle of nowhere in palmyra main. I'm assuming this is the middle of nowhere. You, palmyra Maine. I'm assuming this is the middle of nowhere.

TOMMY:

They had their evening routine of sitting on the porch drinking coffee and they would just sit there and talk about their day or whatever it was that they talked about. One evening they were sitting on their porch drinking coffee, talking, and there was a low mist that was kind of settling over their, their property. They had a big field and a barn driveway that led up to it, but it's it's back in the deep timber, you know, and as they're sitting there, I think his wife mentioned the fact like there's no crickets tonight, you know. And then they stopped and they listened and there was nothing. It was just a totally silent evening and she had this flashlight she kept out there on the porch. So she shined around the field, you know, out along the fence line and all of that, and there was nothing out there. And I guess her husband had this eerie feeling like we need to go in the house. So he got up and he's trying to get her to go in the house. She doesn't want to go, she's like let's just sit here and drink our coffee. And they heard something off in the distance, some sort of rustling noise.

TOMMY:

So they grabbed the flashlight and they started panning the field again, and out in the field they seen these three creatures about midway on this field this field's like 200 yards deep, you know and there were three of them, and then there were four of them, and then there were five of them. And he's looking at her like what the hell are those? She's looking at him the same way. He's like I don't know, maybe they're bears, you know, like I don't know, maybe they're bears, you know, like they honestly didn't know what they were. Then, out of nowhere, those five creatures just started to bull rush the house, like running so fast that they couldn't keep the flashlight on them. So they did him out, ran back into the house and these creatures circled their house all night long. He actually made, I think, two attempts to go out into the barn, which is where he kept his guns. No, it's odd, it's weird. I don't keep my guns in a barn, it doesn't make any sense His wife.

TOMMY:

she wasn't a.

WES:

She might not have wanted the guns inside the house.

TOMMY:

And they had kids, you know. So he built a strong box and that's where he kept his guns, was out in the barn. But he made two different attempts to go out there and he was surrounded by these creatures that stood up on their hind legs. You know which bears do, but I can't think of a a time when bears had done anything like this, and if you got that close to a bear you would know it was a bear.

EVAN:

They don't run on their hind legs either no, they don't.

TOMMY:

But they called 9-1-1 that night and, um, they didn't send the police because they thought they were pranking them, like their story sounded too far-fetched for them to actually send police out there, allegedly, you know what I mean. But they hunkered down in their house that night while these creatures circled the house, they scratched on the building, um so on and so forth. But pretty, pretty trippy story if you, uh, if you want to read something fascinating.

MELL:

Anyways, well, I I appreciate this yeah, man.

EVAN:

So yeah, werewolves been around for a long fuck a time. People been talking about that shit for thousands of years actually yeah, all right.

WES:

So I'm gonna go around the table real quick. Do you believe in lichens or werewolves?

EVAN:

uh, mel no evan and probably not no wes still fun.

TOMMY:

I'm gonna say probably not as well, but man, they are fucking cool right what about you, tommy?

MELL:

do you believe in them?

WES:

no, but I do believe, like, like I've told you before, all legends had to start from somewhere and we got a pretty pretty good uh synopsis of this one. Like we saw people with hair, uh, brought it up before about the yes, but I brought it up before about how it could be misconstrued inside a wood setting.

TOMMY:

Absolutely um, you know, but why the fuck are those people in the woods?

WES:

you, some people didn't want them within the villages themselves.

MELL:

Listen if you have hyperkytro, hyper chytrosis, that's not it.

TOMMY:

If you're exceptionally hairy, don't stay the fuck out of the timber. You know, if anything back, then I would want those people around think about the extra body warmth that's coming off of all that fur. You know, just curl up at the foot of my bed, you know, keep my feet cozy I mean, that is, that is one way, basically what he says he wants to.

WES:

He wants to fucking taxi germ in this motherfucker and have him sprawled out on the floor I think they're made like a big bear skin rug, but it's just like a hairy dude.

TOMMY:

That's fucked up, man. That's that's fucked up.

EVAN:

I'm just gonna say that's not where I tended to go this route, but okay, okay, fair enough there was like a king that took one of like some kid that had hypertrichosis and like kept him as a pet as a pet like he'd feed him scraps and yeah, yeah like he was his pet.

TOMMY:

We think he nabbed him. Do you think he changed his name?

EVAN:

I'm hoping like max or something.

WES:

It's probably max come here, wes, wes goddamn fucking burn got burned by jesus.

TOMMY:

Look at that.

EVAN:

I found him you found it, you about the very first family, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

MELL:

Petrus Consolvus.

TOMMY:

Yeah, no way. Same family? Yeah, no fucking way.

MELL:

The man in the woods, and he was part of the court of King Henry II of France. That's the guy, yes. France, that's the guy, yes. And so henry king henry of france, when um gonzalves was 10.

EVAN:

He was sent there as a gift. Here's this little hairy kid. Treat him well. God damn what the fuck. Some other rich fuck took this super hairy kid and was like here you go.

TOMMY:

Here's your new pet king of france do you think he told him it was a boy, or do you think he told him it was an animal?

MELL:

he. No, I mean he, he was, he was, he talked. You know, it wasn't like he went there and went wharf, but he ended up getting married there, and even though he was living and acting as a nobleman, his hairy kids were not considered fully human in the eyes of the other people, and so they were also gifted to other nobles as a sort of court pet. What Damn. Humans are so fucked up, so it is.

TOMMY:

That's ridiculous.

MELL:

It is believed that the marriage between him and his wife, lady Catherine, may have partially inspired that whole fairy tale Beauty and the Beast.

TOMMY:

No, because of the fur.

MELL:

Mm-hmm. He died in 1618 at like 81 years old in Rome. The last known record of him was he was listed among those who had attended his hairy grandson's christening Sorry, Just had to slide that one off in there Awesome.

EVAN:

On that note, who wants to take us out of here tonight?

TOMMY:

I fucking got this. I got this, bro Werewolfery, if you are excessively hairy, don't be a fucking dirtbag. Werewolfery has no place in the forest. Oh yeah, hold on, go fuck yourself.

EVAN:

Good night everybody.