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Examining Joe Schoen's Impact: The New York Giants' Struggle and the Call for Change

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Is Joe Shane's management dragging the New York Giants deeper into the abyss of underperformance?" This episode takes a hard look at the disappointing tenure of Joe Shane as General Manager, dissecting the baffling draft choices and questionable management decisions that have left fans reeling. We explore the franchise's ongoing struggles with ineffective free-agent signings and salary cap mismanagement, painting a vivid picture of a team seemingly caught in a never-ending downward spiral. Fans' frustrations are palpable as they brace for another season that threatens to be as lackluster as those before it. Our candid conversation, sprinkled with humor, even tackles the wild idea of Daniel Jones landing with the Eagles—a notion as amusing as it is improbable.

As we discuss the urgent need for an organizational overhaul, we can’t ignore the absence of a coherent quarterback plan, which casts a long shadow over the Giants' future. Inspired by the no-nonsense approach of coaching legends like Bill Parcells, we advocate for a comprehensive restructuring that could steer the team back to its glory days. For those looking for a change of pace, our passion for the New York Knicks shines through in the discussion of the "Dicks Unleashed" podcast—a haven for die-hard basketball fans eager to celebrate the thrills of Knicks fandom. Join us for an episode packed with insights, laughter, and a heartfelt exploration of sports passion.

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Speaker 1:

I could play that soundbite every day for the New York football giants If I only had a brain. That's more related to Joe Shane, I guess I keep seeing things. And Merry Christmas to all, and soon to be a happy new year. The Giants' final home game is this Sunday against the Indianapolis Colts. It's supposed to be a rainy weather day. I've already sold my tickets for a dollar Again, but then out of nowhere, someone goes to me hey, tim, do you want to come hang out in the suite on Sunday? And I keep thinking to myself do I really want to do that? Do I really want to put myself through this, or should I just finish out the streak? I was there in the suite for the opening day loss and maybe I could be there in the suite for the opening day loss and maybe I could be there in the suite for the closing day loss as well. It's just, oh, it just makes you.

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This whole season just makes you cringe. Giant beat writers make you cringe. Some of the people on Twitter make you cringe. Because it's it's. We are now in excuse mode. We had one of the giant beat writers come out with an article the other day saying that don't worry, joe Shane has a plan. I'm not really sure what the plan is, and I love it because the title is Joe Shane has a plan. Even if it's hard to see right now, I think we can guess Paul Schwartz who wrote that article. It was from the media arm of the New York Football Giants, paul Schwartz disguised as a beat writer for the New York Post. What's this plan? You're probably going to finish a two-win team. You're probably going to finish the worst season In your 100-year history, even hearkening back to the dark days of the 70s. You are literally going to be this is going to be the worst season ever. This is definitely the worst season that I've ever seen as a New York Giants football fan. I mean 100%, but you have created a team Over the last three seasons. Joe Shane has put together a team that's so horrendous that there is no way that they can compete on a normal Sunday or Saturday or Wednesday or Thursday or Friday or any day whatsoever.

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The architect of this fiasco is Joe Shane. You can blame Brian Dable, but like Bill Parcells said it before, listen, if I got to cook, you got to. Let me buy some of the groceries. The groceries were given to Brian Dable.

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We look at some of the worst free agent signings. We look at some of the worst cap management. It's almost like he is a content creator pretending to be a general manager. Let's just say it like it is the mismanagement. You trade away King of the almost sack and you disguise it as the fact that. Well, you know, we just want him to go to it, we just want him to go the right situation and we're going to allow him to veto this trade. No, you never were, because of the fact that you didn't have enough salary cap money to sign a quarterback. This goes back to the last Judge Gellman era when they went to went two games without having 53 men on the roster because they didn't have the salary cap space.

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You were supposed to come in here, joe, strip everything down and build it back up again through the draft and then augment it through free agency. And we love your drafts. Beavers gone, mckeith and garbage. Dj davidson lucky if he's a backup. People are in love with mcfadden, but there's major issues with his missed tackles. Dane belton should be cut. I don't know what people see in him. Dane bellinger, third tight end at best.

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Cordell flott, jonathan azuda by wandell robinson two yards in a cloud of dust and what we've said before. Hey say I'm a genius, but there's no way you can screw up five and seven. You screwed up five and seven with your building block picks in Kayvon Thibodeau and Evan Neal, whose fifth-year options are coming about the beginning of next season. So you basically whiffed on your almost. You've done something, joe, that few giant GMs have ever done, done, and I believe there was only seven giant gms. You whiffed in the entire almost on the entirety of your 2022 class, of your building block class. You have basically whiffed on the entire draft. Then you go to to 2023. Owens garbage.

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Jordan Riley Jordan Riley I love when people are like, well, they're really working him up. I'm not seeing it. Trey Hawkins I love Trey Hawkins. Has one semi-good game, uses a bad shoulder tackle technique and is out with a hurt shoulder. Eric, two yards and a cloud of dust. I don't remember. There's not a fumble. I didn't like Gray.

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Jalen Hyatt I don't know what's going on with Jalen Hyatt. I really don't. I thought he was going to be something. John Michael Schmitz leads the league in penalties for centers and sacks allowed. You take him 57th overall. Yeah, I know, joe Tippman went just ahead of him, but most of us said he is an undersized center who lost weight coming out of college, who didn't understand leverage as a wrestler, former wrestler. And Deontay Banks, who some people are calling a bust, at that 24th pick, I think he's basically playing. He's giving up more completions, yes, but he's also not getting any safety help whatsoever because Pinnock and Belton excuse getting any safety help whatsoever, because Pinnock and Belton excuse me, pinnock and Dane Belton are just horrid. So outside of banks, you probably whiffed On the entire 2023 class and then I love it because we go to 2024 and I usually don't grade a draft until at least year two or three, at least year three.

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Darius, backup of anything. Tyrone Tracy people are he hasn't had a 100-yard game in how many games? Yeah, the claim to fame right now is he hasn't fumbled in three games. But you can't, you can't. You know he's rushed for 700 yards. You can't fault him because he is a wide receiver playing running back, so he's going to have his moments.

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Theo Johnson, like they said out of Penn State all the potential in the world, just too bad. He doesn't have the attitude to go with it. Then you have Phillips and Nubin, who people drool over. Do the Homer Simpson and drool over these two guys who are part of a secondary that is giving up a league best over 70% completion percentage. Don't worry, they're really good. And I love Phillips because Phillips doesn't have a pass defense, doesn't have an interception and the league is completing almost 80% of his passes against him for almost over not almost for over 10 yards of completion, but somehow he is. He's going to be that key car going in the next year.

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And there's Malik neighbors is with his 97 receptions for six, a 969 yards and four touchdowns. Still don't figure out how this guy has a yak. Just excuse me, just has a complete a, a, uh. At one point in time his yards per reception was under 10. He's finally at 10. You would think by hooker, by crook, by accident, he would break a big play. Haven't seen it yet, you know, but there's still two games left in the season. So he's basically whiffed on. His entire plan looks like it was to whiff on almost three consecutive drafts outside of neighbors and banks, and some people are still having their thought process and opinion on banks. So as a general manager, you have potentially whiffed on 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 22. Out of your 24 picks, you whiffed on 22 of them.

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There are the bad trades. You go out. You never defensive end away from being good, but somehow you decided to give up assets and valuable salary cap money to Brian Burns, even though you asked your head coach and your defensive coordinator what they needed and none of them said a defensive end. But of course there's Joe Shane. What about Brian Burns? And I love it because you also have another person out there Speaking about the great season Brian Burns is having and they list all these great stats, all these secondary stats, but we never talk about sacks, we never talk about impact plays that have actually changed a drive or a defensive stop almost this entire season.

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He's the ghost brother, along with Kayvon Thibodeau, if we can just be honest. We've said it before. How many times are we going to wait and see Kayvon and Brian Burns disappear in a game together? Because that is their modus operandi, even going back to Carolina? I love it. James Williams had the best. James Williams follows professional football. Basically said hey, listen, I don't know who Brian Burns is. And I love it because at one point in time before the trade, when they ranked the NFL rosters, the Panthers were 32nd, the Giants were 31st. The Panthers trade their best player to the New York Giants and the rankings come out two weeks later and the Giants are still 31st and the Panthers are still 32nd.

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So is this all part of the plan? Screwing up the salary cap is that part of the plan? Giving Daniel Jones all that money? Not staggering the contracts of Dexter Lawrence and Andrew Thomas Was that part of the plan? Not bringing back Saquon Barkley or Xavier McKinney, or even feeling out Xavier McKinney was that part of the plan? Not even looking at Julian Love Was that part of the plan? Not even looking at Julian Love Was that part of the plan? And some of the guys that you have let go are now thriving outside of the New York Giants organization Was that part of the plan? How a team can get steadily worse by the moment over three seasons and there's any inclination that you want to bring this guy back is crazy.

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And you talk about and you sit there and you talk about. And I love a bleak neighbors believes the sky's the limit for the rookie class we are. We're all dogs. Yeah, I just we. You know what I really wish. I just wish Malik, malik Willis, I will. I really do wish we had Malik Willis on this team, or Malik Willis type on this team. I just wish Malik neighbors spoke a little bit more eloquently, because you are the face of the franchise, because you know what let's. Let's not remember what happened to old yeller Cause that dog got put down. Oh, yeller, because that dog got put down. I just you know and you know. Going back to Joe Shane, you also gave Daniel Jones that horrid contract and everyone kept telling me Tim, it's not going to be that bad, you don't know what you're talking about. And I said, no, it's fifth flames. That's only going to set the team back five years. How did that work out? How did that work out? How did that work out? And not that I don't like Brian Dable. I think Brian Dable has a little piss and vinegar in him. I think he's got a little fire in him. But we needed someone like Brian Flores to come in here and handle this. We really did I miss.

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I mean I grew up watching Bill Parcells. I've told the story before that in the 86 season my father did work with Wellington Mara and we actually and I basically grew up in the Meadowlands, I've told this a million times but we basically, you know, I got Wellington invited my father out to the stadium. He asked Wellington if I could come. Father Wellington Merrill very graciously said yes, so we're watching practice. I believe this was in November. We're watching practice and we're in the tunnel, just in the tunnel, kind of. You know, back in the day, the tunnel and it probably still does, actually still does the tunnel faces the goalpost. And Wellington told me listen, don't leave the tunnel area. You know, just stay right here. And then Wellington and my father went off down the other end of the tunnel to do whatever they were doing and, of course, being a teenager, I started like creeping up onto the field and I've told the story a million times before I'm staying.

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I've almost got to the corner of the end zone and then I see someone walking towards me. So I'm just standing there and it's Bill Parcells. And Bill Parcells looks at me and says what the fuck are you doing here? I said, well, I'm just, I'm just watching practice. And he was like who told you you could watch practice? I said Wellington, meredith. And then he looked at me and said did well? Did Mr Meredith say you could stand right here? I said no. Actually, I said, and I'm fucking freaking out and he goes. I said no, he did not tell me I could stand right here. He goes, where are you supposed to stand? I said back over there, and he just looked at me for what seemed like 15 minutes, but it was probably a couple of seconds. He smiles, hits me on the shoulder and goes it's all right, kid. And I thought whew. And then he turned around and goes now go, fucking stand back where you're supposed to be. So I was like that's what we need, this is what we need. Hold on, let's find this.

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What's the matter? Big Easy Is camp getting hard for you, Don't you make your mind up with him. I'm trying to get the first down.

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I'll tell you I'm not going to play them. If they hold, they can sit their ass down or go somewhere else. If you get your feelings hurt, that's too bad. You know, I had this one kid, lawrence Taylor. Now every linebacker in the league thinks they're worth $900,000.

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You want to run tonight, son, or you want to act like a rabbit. You want to run or you want to duck down. If you want to duck, just go over there and get onto the bench and stay there. Quit putting the brakes on. You can cut it up in there or I'll get me another part. I don't really give a. Yeah, that's right, that's what you're going to be doing. Sunday, when we go to Seattle, you'll be watching the game in New York on TV. Some of Get the head out of there Around here. I don't want you to get nervous, because that's not Michigan State down there, that's Philadelphia. Okay, Little Honey Bunch got a little bursitis on her knee back here, tell him to throw up on his own time. You got to tell him we got a game today. Throw up after the game. You should have known pre-snap what to do there.

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You guys put me in over here Watch out. Ball boys Get down, get the hell out of the way. More ball boys than we got players. I'll tell you one thing their ball boys throw a lot better than ours do. Dumb players do dumb things. I tell you we can't play. We can't play, we're too stupid. Got a dumb team. I'm telling you we stink, we can't do anything. We can't play defense, offense or special team. That's the truth too, fellas.

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Hall of Fame Whoops, hall of Fame head coach, multiple Super Bowl winner, bill Parcells, and I love it because I actually remember a coach telling me once I was too stupid to play. That's why I always get that. That's why I always get that comment when people people get wonky here and I tell them they're too stupid to watch. That's where I get that comment. But that's what we need. We need a no nonsense organization coming here. We need something different. We need to tear it down. Seven and two is the worst thing that happened, cause then you go to five and one, six, six and 11. Now you're going to be a two and set 15 team and you, your your roster is devoid of talent. People will talk about the plethora of salary cap money we have, but we don't have a quarterback, even on the roster 2025. We don't have a quarterback, and I love it, cause then I saw a giant beat right. I was like well, dale Jones should go to Philadelphia With two games less than the season. Yes, the Philadelphia Eagles should pick up Daniel Jones, who's on the practice squad, and any team can take him. Yes, and bring him in with no time to get ready, doesn't know the playbook and is questionable in regards to his playing ability and you're going to drop him into Philadelphia. Stupid giant. Twitter posts. That wasn't even a post. That was actually an article. We got to just tear it down. We got to start it. Joe Shane does not have a fucking plan. I've said this before If you bring back Joe Shane, I quit. I've already started rolling out my nick stuff. I'm making a rollout start doing, roll out some mets and yankee stuff as well. I fucking quit. I'm done. I don't like. I not only do. I quit youtube, I quit on this. Being a season ticket holder, you finish with it as a two-win team and you tell me joe shane needs he needs to come back and pick his own quarterback, as you've had the worst season in the hundred years of the Giants and it's gotten steadily worse, and you're going to bring in a rookie quarterback with a team devoid of offensive talent and you think you're going to be better than a three-win team, four-win team next year. I'm telling you I've said this before when that ink dried on that contract 2028, 2029 is when the Giants will be good or relevant again.

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