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Before We Hit Record With Copy Mentor Marisa Corcoran
Get to know copy mentor Marisa Corcoran as we talk about where our names came from, life's unexpected journeys, and the road trip Marissa took across the US with her husband and dog. We don’t just talk about personal stuff, but also some of the ways we've learned to integrate and respect diverse experiences into our businesses.
Watch the episode Crafting Compelling Stories That Sell Your Offer With Marisa Corcoran (releases July 3rd).
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Links mentioned in this episode:
- Listen to episode 746 where Rick talks about passing the baton to me and his new direction.
- Listen to episode 720 to get to know Kwadwo.
- Listen to the next episode with Marisa Corcoran
Kwadwo [QUĀY.jo] Sampany-Kessie’s Links:
- Subscribe to The Art of Online Business’s YouTube Channel
- Book a strategy call with Kwadwo!
- Grab the Facebook Ads Lead Gen Cheat Code course to cut your lead costs and double your email list!
- Visit Kwadwo’s website for Facebook Ads help
- Say hi to Kwadwo on Instagram
Marisa’s Links:
Get to know copy mentor Marisa Corcoran as we talk about where our names came from, life's unexpected journeys, and the road trip Marissa took across the US with her husband and dog. We don’t just talk about personal stuff, but also some of the ways we've learned to integrate and respect diverse experiences into our businesses.
Watch the episode Crafting Compelling Stories That Sell Your Offer With Marisa Corcoran (releases July 3rd).
Please click here to give an honest Rating/Review for the show on iTunes! Thanks for your support!
Links mentioned in this episode:
- Listen to episode 746 where Rick talks about passing the baton to me and his new direction.
- Listen to episode 720 to get to know Kwadwo.
- Listen to the next episode with Marisa Corcoran
Kwadwo [QUĀY.jo] Sampany-Kessie’s Links:
- Subscribe to The Art of Online Business’s YouTube Channel
- Book a strategy call with Kwadwo!
- Grab the Facebook Ads Lead Gen Cheat Code course to cut your lead costs and double your email list!
- Visit Kwadwo’s website for Facebook Ads help
- Say hi to Kwadwo on Instagram
Marisa’s Links:
Welcome back to another segment of Before. We Hit Record with Marissa Corcoran and I got it right that time, yeah.
Speaker 2:You did. Technically, my first name is Marissa and not Marissa, but this is a story of my life. Keisha, you didn't do anything. Only my mom really would, and she's not here right now. I'm at my mom's right now. As we've talked about, we've already had a before you record.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Before you record right before you record, I feel like I feel like we've already.
Speaker 1:But if my mom was here I can just picture her kind of sneaking around the corner to be like it's Marissa do you know what I mean? But she's not here. Tell him he said it wrong. Well, now I, so I will share with you that like my name is, and then we'll get back to the intro. This will just be on the podcast, but my name has been butchered, marissaisa, so sorry about that all my life. But even I say it wrong when I say Quajo, my dad, who immigrated to the States from Ghana, would correct me, at least until I was like 17 years old, and tell me it's not Quajo, it's more like Kojo. And he would explain to me and I'm like well, dad, you never took me back to Ghana, you never taught me the language you grew up with. So this is what I got. I'm American, kwejo, and now I even branded it like Kwejo.
Speaker 2:So I apologize for that. No, no, and so that is how you introduce yourself. Now You'll say Kwejo Did you ever at one time use what kind of the pronunciation your dad?
Speaker 1:You know, for a time when I was in China I did, but so intriguing story. Living in China was the first time that I met tons of other Ghanaians from Ghana, because China doles out. What's that called? Is it a form of soft diplomacy? I'm not sure, but the US does it too. What I'm getting at is China basically looks for the best and brightest from different countries on the African continent and gives them scholarships, primarily in the areas of engineering and science. Right, and it's a total play which the US does it too. So I can't point fingers, but it's a total play which the US does it too. So like I can't point fingers, but it's a total play. Right, like you support the next generation and then, when they go back and become successful, then you got friends of your country. I believe that's the reasoning around the Fulbright scholarship program, or what's the other one? That's like a Fulbright, fulbright Rhodes Scholar, scholar. There I might. I don't think I'm doing service to the correct, to the correct.
Speaker 2:I don't even know if I'm right saying you know, I'm over here like Rhodes.
Speaker 1:I don't, I don't know it's one of these that offers scholarships to people who are not American to come and study in the states at any rate. So I met tons of Ghanaians there and that's why I started saying my name the right way, because I would say it the wrong way and they would look at me like they're just so friendly. Everyone I don't. I never met an unfriendly Ghanaian, but they smiled like oh so you're like Kojo, you know, like Monday's child, because the names either your first name or your middle name, your nickname tends to be the day of the week you were born, not like the name of the, but the name that they give boys or girls who are born on that day. So let me introduce you.
Speaker 2:That's cool. Well, thank you for sharing that with me. Thank you.
Speaker 1:Let me introduce you really quick. The listener's like where is this going? Well, the Before we Hit Record segment is so that the guests that are on this podcast you get to know them, and more than just like the one side that they could share though Marisa does share many aspects of her life you get to know her in a way that you wouldn't otherwise get to know her in just a 45 minute episode where she was a guest on this podcast, and so she will be a guest on the episode coming up and that link is in the show notes below and we will be talking about her framework called the Story Strip Down, where she shows you, in this four-part framework, how you can reverse, engineer your story to pull out more captivating stories from it. Right, like it's how to engineer your storytelling to pull out more captivating stories from it. Right, like it's how to engineer your storytelling to pull out more captivating stories from that so that you can attract the right people to your offer, people who I guess are attracted to you.
Speaker 1:Marisa is, how would you describe yourself? I feel like you're a lot more than a copywriter.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and in fact I am a copy mentor. I don't actually write for private clients anymore, so the only writing I actually do now is for myself. You know in the editing that we do, so you know we really support people. I always say that copy isn't the icing on the cake, it is the cake.
Speaker 1:It is the cake.
Speaker 2:It's the gluten-free flour. If you're like me, it is the cake it is the cake, it's the gluten-free flour.
Speaker 2:If you're like me, it's the eggs. Me too. Oh, yes, hooray, that's awesome. It's how it's hard to pronounce our names and we're both gluten-free. Two fun facts about us today. And so you know I always say if you want to sell in a way that feels good and in integrity, you want to call in the right people to sell to we know this is lead generation or audience growth Then you have to know what to say and how to say it to make those other two things come alive. And that's where your copy and messaging comes in. And that's what we support people how to do inside of our signature program called the Copy Confidence Society, where we help you uncover what we call your uncopyable message and the personality-filled copy that dazzles. And that's really my main. My life, my child, my everything is the Copy Confidence Society. We've launched it 11 times. We've had over 700 people inside of the program. It's like it's my life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 11 times 11 times. Before I ask how long you've been in business in the show notes below, because the listener's like I always say this, which is, you've been on the podcast before, back when Rick was the host, and that episode was the definitive guide to rocking an online summit, and you're still doing summits, so we're not going to talk about summits.
Speaker 2:Yeah, summits is like our other side.
Speaker 1:Right. So then that episode is linked up in the show notes below. And if you're like, hey, I don't know who you are, quajo, and you want to know me or why I'm the host of the Art of Online Business now, then there's two episodes linked down in the show notes for you too, where you can find out where Rick is and what he's doing, which is a really cool AI project. And then he interviewed me in another episode and you can find out kind of everything that went into him selecting me as the new host of the Art of Online Business to continue giving you tips and tricks and strategies, and behind the scenes, business peaks and strategies and behind the scenes business peaks and, of course, facebook ads goodness to help your online course scale up from low six figures to high six figures. Now we get to continue the good chat that we've been having so far, marisa.
Speaker 2:Great, great. I love Rick. I just want to say that I just. Rick is great.
Speaker 1:He's so great. He is such a good guy.
Speaker 2:He truly he has such integrity. He's so great. Who doesn't? He is such a good guy. He truly he has such integrity, so kind. He was on our last season of the copy chat that we do and he talked all about AI on there and he kicked off our last season of the copy chat and everyone just was blown away by his AI insights. It was great.
Speaker 1:It really is just a shift for him, because he's always been, you could say, very insightful. He knows how to look at a business and ask. It seems like he just asks the right question, a succession of right questions that help the person on the other side of the questioning understand where they're at in business, how they're running their business like what's really going on, maybe kind of like a life coach in their thought process and running their business, you know, and it just uncovers the right way to grow your business and scale it and increase your impact and reduce your overwhelm. Like he I just it was an honor to coach with him inside of his accelerator. He taught me so much of what I know today and just to see him doing what he does best. And he's doing the same thing with AI.
Speaker 1:Just, the focus is AI helping you to be more efficient in your business and scale and increase impact and reduce overwhelm, and he's doing a good job at it. Yeah, he's great, yeah, yeah. So we were talking about so many things. We were talking about stages of life, we were talking about extended family. You are I'm not going to ask you to show any of your potentially embarrassing pictures this museum of me in my mom's house, this museum, it's a museum of me.
Speaker 1:I mean our parents, all, all do it. My mom has all of the good pictures in her house, but you're in New York right now and you're from New York.
Speaker 2:I'm from upstate New York, I'm from Syracuse and I am in Syracuse right now. Yeah, yep, but this is where I grew up.
Speaker 1:I have never been other than to New York City for like three days, like I know nothing of New York and the culture. Yeah, most people when they think to New York City for like three days, like I know nothing of New York and the culture.
Speaker 2:Yeah, most people when they think of New York, they think of New York City. Or people will say oh yeah, I'm from upstate, and then they're from Westchester or something and I'm like that's not upstate, that's just like an hour outside of New York City. You know, real upstate New York is like Albany, central New York, syracuse, buffalo, rochester. That's upstate New York in the way that I know upstate New York. So you know, when I moved to New York City when I was 21, it was a huge you know change.
Speaker 2:For me, coming from Syracuse, new York City was a huge you know shock in a lot of ways, you know, and I lived in New York City for a few years and then I went to Boston for three years for grad school and then I went back to New York City for a few years and then I moved to Atlanta. About my gosh, like six or seven years ago now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's just been East Coast, East Coast. Have you ever lived on the West Coast?
Speaker 2:So actually, last year we put our stuff in storage, okay, and we hit the road for a whole year. So we went all over the country. We went to 28 states, slept in like 55 places. What so? Yes, we lived all over the place, yeah, from february 2023 till february 2024. Yeah, so we lived in florida for like the month of march, then we made our way into, like, new orleans, then we were in Austin for a month. We made our way to New Mexico, went to the grand Canyon, sedona, las, Vegas.
Speaker 2:And then we did like a month in San Diego, then we did 12 days up the California coast into Seattle. We spent six weeks in Seattle, went all over the Pacific Northwest, and then we spent the summer kind of making our way back and we went to Montana, yellowstone, south Dakota, the Badlands, mount Rushmore, crazy Horse, went to Chicago, the Bourbon Trail. Yeah, we went all over.
Speaker 1:Who's we?
Speaker 2:So we was myself, my husband and our dog. Okay, and our dog, it was the three of us.
Speaker 1:Yeah, In what Like were you in an RV?
Speaker 2:We traveled in our Bronco and then we slept longer stays. We had an Airbnb, so like our month stays were at different Airbnbs, so like we had an Airbnb in Miami and Austin and San Diego, seattle, and then our shorter stays were hotels or a really cool part about the experience was all meeting this community in real life. So we also hosted these like little micro mastermind days and we did one in Austin, yeah, we did one in San Diego, we did one in Seattle, we did one in my home, we did one in Syracuse actually last fall. So that was really cool. So along the way we got to like meet members of this community and some members of those community offered for us to stay in some places. So you know, in.
Speaker 2:Las Vegas we stayed at. One of my colleagues generously offered us. They have like a casita in the back of their home in Las Vegas we stayed in, which was awesome because we got to really see how people live in Las Vegas, not just the strip, and that was really cool. And then in California, one of my, one of the people that's inside of our program, inside of the Copy Confident Society. She and her family have a second home. They live in San Francisco but they have a home in Half Moon Bay and we got to stay at their second home in Half Moon Bay.
Speaker 2:So also cool experiences like that. So yeah, but we drove in our Bronco, we drove in our yeah.
Speaker 1:Wow, okay, yeah, our yep. Wow okay, yeah, it's funny the word that you said. You said that, um, somebody had a casita in their, in their back yard, or did they technically call that like, like an adu, like an attachment to their house or like an individual dwelling unit?
Speaker 2:I'm not well. It wasn't an attachment like it had its own. It wasn't connected to the house like you couldn't. You had to go outside to get to their house all right, yeah, it was like right in there.
Speaker 2:It wasn't, you know it. It wasn't connected to the house. You couldn't. You had to go outside to get to their house. It was right in there. It actually wasn't in their backyard, it was in their side yard. Their backyard was this gorgeous pool. So where we stayed was like in the side. You like walk through their gate and it was right there.
Speaker 1:And then their front door was like right ahead it was awesome Because my, my two kids they play, we, they play under the stairs and there's like this small doors. But like yay, high to my chest, four feet tall Well, actually, maybe yay high is not four feet, cause I'm like six foot.
Speaker 1:So it's like four feet tall, this little like door, and it's under the stairs and they call it their casita. They're always in there. There's like christmas, lights strung off and like my daughter makes a little tv with her puppets and they're watching tv.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's sweet. I love that that they have the lights and stuff in there.
Speaker 1:It sounds so cozy yeah, it is cozy, a bit too cramped for me, like at my height, but perfect, perfect for them yeah so I think that is the coolest thing that I've heard in a while. How did both of you work out life to take a year-long vacation and go on tour around the us like I'm? I'm super curious how this worked, like your home all the normal things that you do as part of your community and then, of course, like your business business or businesses business business.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it's such a great question. In fact it's so interesting. People are really asking me about it now. People really I'm gonna speak on a panel about it. There's another community I'm speaking about. It's never something I plan to speak about, it's something that we did, but it's people really want to know and have asked me hey, can you come and talk to my community about you know how you did this.
Speaker 2:So my husband works inside of the business with me, so he supports, he kind of takes care of all the finances and such. So you know, both of us have that freedom, location, freedom, right, kind of set up and built in. We don't have children. So there's lots of things that made this easier for us to do. We were renting our place in Atlanta, so it actually coincided when our lease was ending, so we just didn't. Actually, we extended for like one month, which was great.
Speaker 2:We'd been there for however many years and then we put all our stuff in storage and we over packed. That's actually a funny. When we got to florida, we brought all the stuff into the up to the place in florida and we both looked at each other like, oh my gosh, this is too much stuff, we cannot be bringing this in and out. So we actually went and got these two large boxes and shipped like two large boxes back to Atlanta and our good friends brought them to our storage unit for us and so we really traveled like quite minimally.
Speaker 2:It was like I had a suitcase, eric had a suitcase, jake that's our dog had his own, like little stuff so, and we would work three weeks on. So first three weeks of the month was a normal. Nothing changed in the business. It was as if life was normal, except some things were adjusted for time zone. Now that was a big, that was an adjustment was like, and the community knew we were traveling, so they knew. So in February I really sat down with the team to be like, okay, in May, if I'm now in San Diego, what if anything has to be changed? You know time zone.
Speaker 1:I hated changing Like I went to Paris and I changed my Google calendar and then, like my team, it just it's. I was paranoid that I would miss things because the time zone was changing, but hopefully you don't have any of those problems.
Speaker 2:That's just me, I know it stressed me out is I'm not an early like I'm not an early riser. Yeah, so I have a rule I don't talk to anybody before 11am Eastern Whoa. So now I go to the East.
Speaker 2:West coast and I was like, wait a second. A call at noon and these 9am. I was like I don't know about that. So we had to like adjust a couple of things for me. And then the fourth week of every month was like our flex week. That gave us time to travel to the next place or go exploring more. Now, we did still explore like the first three weeks, but it was working that around work where the fourth week of the month was really devoted to like oh, we're going to the grand Canyon that week or we're going, things like that. And then in the summer I really told the community that it was. We were just much more flexible because the summer we were kind of making our way back and we didn't adhere as much to that three weeks on one week off. The summer was a little bit different than that, but mostly it was three weeks on one week was when we travel to the next place. That, but mostly it was three weeks on one week, was when we travel to the next place.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then I ran. You know, if I have my computer and good wifi I can run the business. I recorded seasons seven and eight of the copy chat while traveling, like I still did everything. Yep, I had my work bag with the stuff that I needed and I would find my little spot and whatever Airbnb, my office space. I was like, ok, this is where I'm parking for the next month or six weeks or whatever. Wow, and that was that.
Speaker 1:And so you just had, like a cell phone, wi-fi or a connection via your cell phone service provider.
Speaker 2:Well, in the Airbnbs you get like Wi-Fi when you're there, like they give you a wi-fi connection, so you have wi-fi as part of the stay, and most hotels too.
Speaker 2:so I was on wi-fi in between I didn't really work in the car okay and if I did, yeah, then I used my hotspot, but I tried not to do work that required that in the car. In the car I might like write emails or do things, but it actually took me a while to get used to writing in the car. I was was getting dizzy and stuff.
Speaker 1:At first yeah, me too.
Speaker 2:So I had to really, and then slowly I kind of figured it out. I started to put like a pillow in front of me I had to keep it up here and I realized I could only write. I couldn't like do things where I was like moving screens around.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:What worked for me was like if I was in the car and Eric was driving, to just be like staring at like a blank Google doc where I was writing, not trying to like do anything, admin, or where I was moving screens around.
Speaker 1:And then it was OK.
Speaker 2:And then it was, and then it was OK. But I didn't work in the car or you know, sometimes what I did in the car is sometimes I would take calls like maybe calls that I had to be on like, not like with my coach. But all last year I worked on getting my equity coaching certification. So I worked through the equity centered, the institute that Trudy, the community to really make sure that people from all different lived experiences and backgrounds feel really seen and taken care of inside of our community. And I always say, like I can never make it a true safe space.
Speaker 2:but my goal is to make it a safer space, so actually going and learning about what diversity, equity and inclusion actually means. How do you actually put that actually means? How do you actually put that into practice? How do you coach from that standpoint and not just give someone advice but actually ask key questions so you understand their lived experience, to be able to support them and, again, have language around it, not just guessing. So I did some of my coaching certificate, not anything of where I was actually coaching, but listening in on some of those calls while we would be in the car. I would listen in to those calls or recordings of those calls while we would be in the car.
Speaker 1:This is something I never heard of. Like can you give me an example of one thing it doesn't have to be personal, but like now that you've gone through the training like what is one thing where you can just tell this is not an equity centered coach?
Speaker 2:Like somebody has not, I don't know if we have enough time for that, but there's a lot of things I can tell you. But I never want to pass judgment on anybody because I think we're all, or the people that I like to be around where we are striving to be better and learn. But the industry as a whole, the industry as a whole, sometimes can lean a bit culty, like it can feel like you're following, like the person, like that person becomes like the guru and everybody's just doing what they say, and that person is like the industry.
Speaker 1:No, no, no.
Speaker 2:Outside of that, no in any in any online industry, business coach, copy, it doesn't matter. There tends to be like well, this is the way that I did it and now you follow my seven steps and you'll be that way too. Okay, and it, you know, and people kind of rise and they're almost like a celebrity status, almost like a guru, sure, and that can feel. So really making sure in our community that, instead of it feeling like everyone has to come to me for the answers, it's really like how can I set up the Copy Confident Society for you to trust your own intuition, because you're going to be writing for your business forever, it's never going out of style, so how can I make sure that you're able to write and feel confident about it? Of course, come ask me questions and I'm going to support you the best way that I can.
Speaker 2:But helping you trust your own intuition, helping you, you know, not just oh, here's what I did, so it'll work for you too, but also seeing where that person is in their life or lived experience, their background. You know a nice example of this, not exactly this example, but it's like I don't have kids, so for me sometimes to just be doling out strategies to parents is like well, I just told you I hit the road for a year, like it's just different, so I always want to make sure that I'm acknowledging a person in front of me who's a parent to be like okay, so let's talk about, like what are the hours that you have to work?
Speaker 1:What, what feels good for your energy, what's yes, what's a no, and then we can talk about what's what the actual implementation is going to look like yeah, okay, I feel like that just is part of you being a good coach and not necessarily part of equity training, so to speak.
Speaker 2:Oh for sure, I mean a lot of it is like you know, but are we, are you, you know, and I think having any sort of coaching certification is, you know, very helpful. But for me, I really wanted to make sure that our practices in the program, our agreements, the way that we approach coaching, the way that we interact with the team, was really set up to support.
Speaker 1:To be inclusive.
Speaker 2:To be inclusive and to have language, not to just be like, yeah, of course I'm a good person and want you to feel, but to actually have real language around it, to really like, understand it and be able to show up. And also show up and be able to be somebody that can say to somebody you know, I want to acknowledge that you have a very different lived experience for me and I you know we may not solve this problem today. We're going to have all the answers. There was lots of awesome like beautiful things that I learned and just expanded my own toolbox as a leader and as a coach.
Speaker 1:Wow, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:So I did that while I was on the road too.
Speaker 1:Okay, so I did that while I was on the road too. I never really understood how big the country was until and I haven't traveled hardly anywhere in the States, unfortunately. But I remember ending. My wife and I lived in Washington DC for a moment, and then we ended that very short period which I will call the most expensive vacation we took ever eight months and we drove from Washington DC to Michigan, where her parents live, to drop off our stuff before we flew away back to China. And I remember thinking this is taking forever, like are you kidding me? How far are we going to drive before we get there? How far are we going to drive before we get there?
Speaker 2:I mean, there were days in the car where I was just joking with my brother because, as I was sharing with you, before we started, I actually had to come home to Syracuse unexpectedly and I drove with my brother and we drove like five hours from Boston to Syracuse and my brother was like, oh my gosh, five hours, this is going to be. And I was like five hours, this is nothing. I was like in the car, oh my gosh, five hours, this is going to be. And I was like five hours, this is nothing. I was like in the car sometimes on the road trip last year, we'd be looking at like a 10, 12 hour day and it'd be like, oh my gosh, okay, here we go, get ready, you know. So now I feel like I can tolerate like longer drives.
Speaker 2:But yeah, the country, the U S, is massive and there's parts of the U? S where you are just driving and there is there's nothing. It's just I actually find it. I found it to be like quite peaceful but there's nothing. So you're just kind of listening to music, listen to a podcast, having a conversation and, like you know, hours and hours go by, you know amber waves of grain literally.
Speaker 2:Yes, there were so many things where I was like, oh my gosh, purple mountains, majesty like.
Speaker 1:I was like seeing all the things like amber yeah, you really see it come to life, for sure, yeah I this is a completely random story, but I was in a. How was it? It was the first royal royal wedding, at least that I can remember. So sometime back around in I don't know 2010, yeah, kate and william kate and william great all right it was.
Speaker 2:It was either spring of 2011 or spring of 2010, but you're right, you're, you're right.
Speaker 1:The years blend together as I get older. So I'm at a party and it's all people from the UK Well, my wife is there too, so I guess other than her and they were playing. Well, they're on the TV. A song is playing and it's that it's my country, tis of thee I think it's the actual name, right and so the song is playing on the TV. They're kind of swaying and I'm thinking why is my country, tis it be playing in the uk at a royal wedding? And so then I asked you know, said it's out loud because I needed to know, and they're like you mean, god save the queen. And I'm like that's the name of this song, at least that's what you're.
Speaker 2:It's the same melody.
Speaker 1:It's the same melody. I literally was like that's what you call this song. And then it occurred to me oh, what Like, just what a backhanded slap Like we took the song God Save the Queen.
Speaker 2:We kept the same tune.
Speaker 1:We renamed it. We remixed it, and so I thought it was humorous. They humored me. Being good British citizens, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we remixed it.
Speaker 1:Look it up. It's like every time I learn these random things, like that pineapples grow up from the ground instead of down from a tree, like it just kind of shifts my perspective a little bit yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:So I think, because of time, we should stop here so that you have enough time on the next episode to talk about the story framework, because it's four parts and very transparently sharing my story in an email setting with a purpose is something that I struggle with. I can talk about random stories, but deciding what stories would be best to share and even then having the words to make that story as interesting as it was to me when I lived it to the reader, that's difficult. Put that in a way that ties in with my business and helps somebody understand how an offer could help them, or like why I would be the person to work with or communicating values. So like I'm quite intrigued to learn the framework too.
Speaker 2:Great, yeah, no, let's do it. I think it'll be really helpful.
Speaker 1:Okay, cool. So again, listener, you can find the link to this episode. It's already down in the show notes, if you happen to listen before it goes live. Well, you'll just see link to this episode. It's already down in the show notes, if you happen to listen before it goes live. Well, you'll just see a preview of it. But stay tuned. Marisa is going to talk about the story stripped down framework in the next episode and until the next time that you see me or hear from me, be blessed and we'll chat soon. Bye.