89-Circling Back to Louis, Luie and COVID Dreams (1217)

Jessica explores the pivotal year 1217 in English history, when a nine-year-old king and his 70-year-old regent knight faced rebellious barons and French invasion. This turning point year shaped England's language, governance, and future through two decisive battles that preserved the nation's independence.

• King John signed but then reneged on the Magna Carta, angering barons who invited French Prince Louis to take the throne
• When King John died, his nine-year-old son Henry III became king with William Marshall as his regent
• The Battle of Lincoln in May 1217 marked a turning point in the First Barons' War
• The Battle of Sandwich (Dover) in August saw English ships capture 65 of 80 French vessels without losing any of their own
• Following these victories, English was reinstated as the official language of England
• William Marshall is considered one of the greatest knights in history by many historians

Jessica’s sources

Adams, S. (2025, August 17). Battle of Sandwich. Encyclopedia Britannica. 

https://www.britannica.com/event/Battle-of-Sandwich-1217

1217 and the ideals of chivalry – Historia Magazine

Wikipedia

Transcript

Intro and Sister Banter

Speaker 1 0:00

If you don't know history , then you don't know anything . You are a leaf that doesn't know . It is part of a tree , michael Crichton . Hello , Hiya sister .

Speaker 2 0:10

So I'm interested to know what we're talking about today . I mean , I have a general idea , but I have no idea why that quote has anything to do with what we're talking about today .

Speaker 1 0:20

So we're doing history . I picked a random year to go over , but if you know , me .

Speaker 2 0:31

you know why I picked the year ?

Speaker 1 0:32

Because nothing is actually random . Yeah , it's one of my favorite numbers , I gotta say .

Speaker 2 0:38

So hi , this is the first time you guys are seeing us .

Speaker 1 0:42

Yeah , I have COVID my voice , my throat hurts like razor blades .

Speaker 2 0:50

so , yeah , and me being the uh , the understanding sister that I am , said we're still recording anyway . Well , this was because the overwhelming vote was that we do video . Thanks , everybody , there's her cute face . That's what you've been waiting for , oh there's one dog , there's my new dog .

Speaker 1 1:13

Oh , speaking of that dog , so he sleeps in my bathroom and two nights ago I got up to go use the restroom in the middle of the night Thank you , perimenopause and I tripped over him . I didn't see him . I felt so bad . I have a huge , I don't know . I have a huge bump on my elbow .

Speaker 2 1:35

Oh , my goodness . So you hit the ground Hard .

Speaker 1 1:39

Because I realized it was him and I didn't want all my weight to fall on him . And he freaked out because I must have woke him up in the middle of a dead sleep and he started barking . I'm like he's got a great bark . His bark is very intimidating . But then he got all scared and was hiding under our kitchen table . So I had to sit up with him for an hour to help him calm down and realize it's okay . He didn't even recognize me for like two minutes .

Speaker 2 2:04

Oh , my goodness , you know . This is what's funny about , because I have two half Pyrenees dogs . One of them is super , super protective , but she's also afraid of everything , so she will hide under tables . She will . I think that's my dogs in the background . Now , right , do you hear the jingles ? Yes , my dogs are not wearing collars . Oh , you're so thoughtful .

Speaker 1 2:28

At least one of us is oh , they're playing . Oh , whatever .

Speaker 2 2:33

Yeah , and this is the most thoughtless episode ever of me I'm Ingrid , by the way . The thoughtless one .

Speaker 1 2:43

Hey , I'm Jessica , by the way . Oh , hey , I'm Jessica .

Speaker 2 2:48

The , this one , this one .

Speaker 1 2:55

Okay . Well , let's stop rambling and listen to your history lesson . Okay , it won't take that long , because there's actually not that much history from this year . My sources are the Encyclopedia Britannica , so , yay , I used a good one you don't have to list it , we'll just put it in the show notes .

Speaker 2 3:09

How about that ? Oh , okay , cool Sources in the show notes . Oh , by the way , this is also another situation .

Speaker 1 3:16

Oh yeah , sure is .

Speaker 2 3:21

So I can't see my video now because I tell you , if you do no , it'll be a surprise for everybody .

Speaker 1 3:30

And I'm not going to watch it , so it's okay . Okay , the year is 1217 . Do ?

Speaker 2 3:39

you know why ? I thought you were doing 1218 . That was a typo . I know why , but I don't want to steal your thunder . So go ahead and tell everybody . They're waiting on the edges of their seats to find out why you picked 12-17 .

Speaker 1 3:55

My birthday is December 17th .

Speaker 2 3:58

Which , by the way , 12-18 is now stuck in my head because of your typo . So your birthday card may be 12-18 . Your birthday wishes may be 1218 .

Speaker 1 4:08

You've known me literally my whole entire life . You better not mess it up now .

Speaker 2 4:13

Yes , but I'm old now and things just don't compute the same .

Speaker 1 4:18

Okay , on with the history . So the majority of the history that I found was about England because it was in the middle of the Crusades . I had to go back and take a history lesson myself , so I read some of the stuff and then of course I couldn't find where I read it . So some of the stuff is just a mixture of my memory of what I read . So take what I say with a grain of salt . But the rest of it is factual , Factual as history from 1217 can be Could it also be oh , my dogs are crazy .

Speaker 1 4:50

now Could it also be part COVID weird dreams mixture in

Year 1217: King John's Troubles

Speaker 1 4:56

here Possibly , and I took some pretty strong cold medicine last night .

Speaker 2 5:01

That's what you get for procrastinating until last night to write this I hate , that's what you get .

Speaker 1 5:08

My kids say that that's what you get . It is what it is all right folks , I'm gonna start now nowadays , jessica is getting started .

Speaker 2 5:23

Let's circle back . Put a pin in it and we'll circle back .

Speaker 1 5:28

Okay , thanks , all right . So 1217 , england was in turmoil . It was the president , not the president . Nope , the king , stop , stop . The king was King John and he was not doing a very good job . The barons were mad at him . He actually signed the Magna Carta , which is the great charter , in non-Latin , translated from Latin . Oh man , I didn't even finish my coffee yet , so for those that may not remember our refresher for the Magna Carta gives rights and stuff to everyone else .

Speaker 2 6:24

It takes it away from being a feudal state to being more of a democracy . So the Magna Carta is kind of important for us now . Now I appreciate . I appreciate the reminder , by the way , because you know over a thousand years ago that how those memories just don't stick with me like they do now excuse me , sorry .

Speaker 1 6:35

Uh , memories of a thousand years ago . What are you talking about ?

Speaker 2 6:42

you said as a like to remind you , in case you need a reminder on what all of this is we all learned about the magna carta in history class is what I meant smart maybe I'm talking about remembering to high school of when I learned about it , which was a really long , a thousand years ago . That's actually not what .

Speaker 1 7:02

I was talking about . I'll let that one slide . Okay , let me finish this . It's not that long , gosh . Now I don't know where I was . Oh , magna Carta . So he reneged on the Magna Carta and he took away all the rights again . So the barons are pissed and they reached out .

Speaker 2 7:20

Is renege an okay thing to say ?

Speaker 1 7:23

Yes , what does that mean ?

Speaker 2 7:27

Well , I know what it means . Okay , oh my God , my dogs are insane . Where is the origination of that ? It's not offensive , is it ? No , it's .

Speaker 1 7:36

R-E-N-E-G-E . Re-nig it's a word , it's a verb . It has nothing to do with what you probably think it does Now . Indian giving , which is also another word for reneging , which was popular back in the what ? 80s .

Speaker 2 7:56

That is offensive Right okay , well , you don't have to list all the offensive things to say now . Well , I was just giving you a .

Speaker 1 8:05

I was trying to give you an example of what would be offensive as a latin derivative okay , carry on thanks , all right .

Speaker 1 8:16

so he reneged and the barons were mad

Henry III and William Marshall

Speaker 1 8:19

. So they went to war . And um , they actually , they went to war with william marsh , they went to war with William Marshall . It was back and forth . Oh , louis was the youngest or eldest son of the king of France . So the barons who wanted to overthrow King John , who was the king of England , reached out to them and said hey , you can be our king if you come and help us get this guy out . So I bet you it's Louis . It's spelled guy out . So I bet you it's Louis . It's spelled like Louis , but I bet you it's Louis . Louis , I don't know . It's Louis , is it Louis ? Well then , why is it spelled with an E ? It's spelled like Louis , whatever .

Speaker 2 8:58

Okay , we have probably messed that up as time has gone along .

Speaker 1 9:02

Yeah , see , when I was reading it at , louis made more sense . I'm like that Louis sounds more familiar than Louis . What do you mean in E L-U-I-E Louis ?

Speaker 2 9:16

Okay , Is it L-O-U-I-S ? Yeah , yeah , that's Louis . Oh you're . You're so uncultured .

Speaker 1 9:30

Okay , miss Didn't-Even-Know-That-Renegue-Was-A-Word , good grief .

Speaker 2 9:35

Well , I know it's a word , will you let me finish ? I apologize .

Speaker 1 9:40

God Most unempathetic person ever , that's me , okay , so now where was I ? Oh , yeah , so King John died and his son , who was nine , henry III , took over as king , and his regent which I guess is like the person that helps him learn how to be a king was William Marshall . And William Marshall I read this in one spot and I couldn't find it again he was said to be one of the greatest knights , and it also said he was 70 . So I don't know if he was 70 , if he made it to be 70 years old , or if he was 70 when Henry III took over , if he made it to be 70 years old or if he was 70 when Henry III took over , or if that was part of my COVID-infused medicine life .

Speaker 2 10:33

I don't know .

Speaker 1 10:34

I want more of the COVID-infused medicine life story . I mean , if he's a 70-year-old back in 1217 , that's pretty impressive , but he is supposed to be one of the greatest knights ever , except for there's a historian named Catherine Hanley . She wrote a bunch of medieval books , like her favorite century is the 13th century and I was reading I got sidetracked and I want to read some of her books that she wrote , because she goes into like some of the history that's not covered mainstream and so , yeah , she just she does not think that he is the greatest knight of all time . But she does have a book called 1217 the battles that saved england . I did not read it , I just know that it's out there in case anyone else wants to read it . All right .

Speaker 1 11:14

So truce um christmas 1216 , which was in with henry , with a child , with a nine-year-old Henry III , and then they extended it to April 2017 . Christmas 1216 was the truce and extended to April 1217 . So then in May , the truce was I don't know what happened to the truce , I didn't write it down . Oh , here I go . No , no , I did write it down . I did write it down . I did write it down . I don't know what happened to the Jerusalem . So , louis , he took advantage of the pause and he went back to France to ask for more troops and more money . That's what happened . So then , william must have found out about it . Knight , marshall , knight William , I don't know how to refer to him .

Speaker 1 12:05

So then , in May of 1217 was the Battle of Lincoln , which everybody knows about . The Battle of Lincoln , no , lincoln is like if this is England , I don't know if it's considered the middle or the north part of England . So William Marshall I just referred to him as his , as last name Marshall took his people to Lincoln . The battle lasted about six , six hours . The English won , and the people surrounding the castle of Lincoln some of them were supporters of France , and so they all the supporters of England and King Henry the nine-year-old they attacked all the French people that had escaped the castle . They looted the whole entire city , like they took everything . Supposedly they got enough money to fund , like all .

Speaker 1 13:00

Oh , let's just forget that . No , that's a COVID infused memory , so forget that one , forget that one . But was this part is kind of sad Like there was women and children , supposedly , that were trying to escape by boat and they were found dead in their boats .

Battle of Lincoln and Sandwich

Speaker 1 13:19

So I don't know , probably from starvation . Actually , it didn't say how they died , but that's just sad . Okay , so this was a turning point . The Battle of Lincoln was a turning point in the first baron's war . So the barons were going up against the king because they wanted more of a democracy , the king wanted more of a feudal state . Okay , essentially , eventually , uh , and then in august this is the part that actually drew me in because of my navy ties uh , the battle of sandwich . I don't know how else to pronounce that .

Speaker 2 13:50

I like that . Next because of my sandwich ties you have a sandwich tie .

Speaker 1 13:57

I love sandwiches . I thought you meant like the sandwich ties , like the twist ties , like to close the bread .

Speaker 2 14:06

You don't twist , tie a sandwich .

Speaker 1 14:08

I know , but that's what I remember .

Speaker 2 14:09

You either put it in like a container or a Ziploc bag .

Speaker 1 14:14

Yeah , okay , my mind went there .

Speaker 2 14:16

Or wax paper . You can wrap it if you're at like a real deli and Publix will put it in the paper . Are you done , are you ?

Speaker 1 14:28

done . Okay , the Battle of Sandwich is also called can be called the Battle of Dover , because it took place on the Strait of Dover and this is in August , so this is a pretty cool battle . So there's like about 40 . And 65 ships . 65 French ships were heading into Dover and Marshall was controlling the fleet of English ships which it's in there somewhere , but it doesn't matter came up behind them and started attacking them and totally won . They destroyed . English didn't lose any . Oh , they had 40 ships . The English didn't lose any . Oh , and there was 80 French ships . 65 of the 80 French ships were captured . Are you sure ? Yes , that is . It literally says losses English none of 40 ships , french , 65 of 80 ships captured .

Speaker 2 15:36

Okay .

Speaker 1 15:36

Captured . Yeah , so there was 40,000 French sailors died , 36 French knights were taken into power and supposedly this is not me , covid Eustace the Monk was the one , the French commander of the ships , and he was found , supposedly again , this is all supposedly and he was found hiding in the bilge of the ship , which is the underneath , and so they took him to the top , they beheaded him and supposedly they did like Lord of the Flies and put his head on a post . Ew .

Speaker 2 16:13

I know they did some really gross stuff back then . I know .

Speaker 1 16:17

I agree . So with that all happened , louis had to abandon his quest to take over France . The official language was changed of England was changed I don't know if it was changed back or reinstated and changed back is the same thing . English was made the official language of England again , and not Latin or French . So that's why it's there's more . It's a pretty important year in the history of England . And then the other thing that I found about 1217 was that Genghis Khan was still a ruler .

Speaker 2 17:00

Okay .

Speaker 1 17:03

That's it .

Speaker 2 17:04

What was your quote again ?

Speaker 1 17:09

I don't know deleted . I deleted the web page . Okay , it was michael crichton right , I remember that .

Speaker 2 17:19

Okay , let's do bees don't be beheaded oh man , do you know what I was going to say ? What Be headed . I'm still counting it , that's mine .

Speaker 1 17:35

Okay , I'll change mine to a B . Be a nine-year-old king , woo-hoo .

Speaker 2 17:47

Yeah , man .

Language Change and Wrap-up

Speaker 1 17:54

Don't be letting your COVID-infused dreams mess up your train of thought . Don't be insensitive to your sister's needs .

Speaker 2 17:58

Oh man , Okay , All right Well we did this again .

Speaker 1 18:03

We did . It was short and sweet , sorry , not sorry , I'm sorry , I don't know about sweet .

Speaker 2 18:08

It was short and kind of gruesome . Oh , I did want to circle back to the see , I told you we're gonna put a pin in it and circle back yes , yes , yes , yes , yes .

Speaker 1 18:19

It is what it is nowadays , and folks so we are very transparent .

Speaker 2 18:24

That's another one I hate .

Speaker 1 18:26

I hate when people talk about being transparent I also hate in meetings when there's like four minutes left . Well , I'm going to give you back some time to your day .

Speaker 2 18:35

Four minutes , you're going to give me four minutes Right , so we were in .

Speaker 1 18:40

Napa for my mom's 70th birthday and we all decided to talk about our pet peeve phrases and mine was folks .

Speaker 2 18:49

Mine is . It is what it is our moms was nowadays yes or is that is nowadays mine ?

Speaker 1 18:56

yours was nowadays and moms was . It is what it is . Well , I also hate it is what it is .

Speaker 2 19:01

I'm also not a fan and then we've now added work-related terms which are let's circle back , let's put a pin

Pet Peeve Phrases Discussion

Speaker 2 19:10

in it and circle back .

Speaker 1 19:12

Oh , I'll talk to you offline about that .

Speaker 2 19:15

Let's schedule our next meeting to talk about what we just talked about in this meeting .

Speaker 1 19:20

Well , guys , so we're going to wrap up . I'm going to give you back four minutes of your time . Thank you for listening to Another Situation and bye and bye Also on Facebook at Another Situation .

Speaker 2 19:48

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