This is PGA Tour Countdown, and welcome everyone, frank Bassett, joining you for PGA Tour Countdown, the PNC Championship this week. A lot of fun, a lot of family fun. What an event. Always fun at this time of year to see the families and the loved ones get together and get on the golf course and just have a lot of fun and raise money for charities and that sort of thing.
Speaker 1:Just as a quick footnote, as you know, golf Talk America and PGA Tour Countdown and those weekend golf guys and the approach shot and see what else do we have, I don't know Several shows out there. Well, golf Talk America originates from Nashville when I'm in town and PGA Tour Countdown does also when we're not out on tour. We were supposed to have been at the PNC Championship this week live there, broadcasting for you, but something occurred. We got hit by the tornado. We were in the direct path of the tornadoes that came through Middle Tennessee, so I am broadcasting from Upperland, if you know about that place. We had to move out immediately. They got us out in the middle of the night.
Speaker 1:It was a terrible, terrible event. Folks, if you ever hear on television, go to your safe place, and I've always kind of been well. Okay, I'm fine. I can weather this. You can't weather it, people. You can't do it. I went through it. It hit our home. It wiped it out.
Speaker 1:My wife and I are lucky to be here. I'm blessed. Thank God in heaven that we got out of this thing. We lost a lot and it's going to be a long road to recovery, but we'll recover. There are those who didn't. Two doors down from us, somebody got killed. So not to be somber, I just don't want you to think about it, because I think it's important to watch out for the weather and listen to what they say on television. Don't ignore it, like I used to do. That being said, let's get to some fun. Okay, pga trip countdown. We're going to bring the interviews, as we always do, from the PNC championship, so let's get right to it. We'll play them straight through, then I'll wrap this thing up with the bow and we'll move on to happier and sweeter your times. Okay.
Speaker 2:We'd like to welcome Justin and Mike Thomas back to the PNC championship, our 2020 winners. Justin, we'll start with you Welcome back, thank you. We can get your comments on being here this week.
Speaker 3:Yeah, very excited, as always. It looks like we need to do our anti-rain dance a little bit tomorrow. We'll still make fun of it and no, it's a very special week. It's a nice, you know, I think, cap to end the year. We've had a. We've really enjoyed it and made a little you know tradition out of it, and hopefully we can, you know, play some, play some good golf over here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, same to you, mike. How much are you looking forward to the weekend? How's the state of your game after today's program?
Speaker 4:Well, it was kind of hard to find anything out there in the wind today, but there's going to be good prep for the for tomorrow, for sure with the wind. But yeah, my game's day to day, so we'll see. But it's just a fun week to get to play with Justin. It's, it's a lot of fun. We've got my wife out here, katty, and so it'll be good, good week.
Speaker 2:All right Questions. What is your favorite thing about getting to play with each other and your favorite thing about this tournament?
Speaker 5:Go for it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, the favorite thing about the tournament is getting to play together. I mean, we just don't. We don't get to do that. Very often, when he's home, he doesn't want to play golf and and I teach a lot so I don't make time to play golf. So this is this is our week to play golf together.
Speaker 6:Just the last time you played golf was a year ago, together, no no, I've played in between now and then. Tell them that together All together.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we've probably played Hand fullish 10, I don't know.
Speaker 3:Yeah, not 10.
Speaker 4:Probably five times this year. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5:What's it been like for you two to watch the development of Charlie as this little tyke out here? Yeah?
Speaker 4:not anymore. He's not old tyke anymore. Yeah.
Speaker 3:I can't. I can't quite give him as much grief anymore because he's getting close to being able to beat me up. So, yeah, it's it's. I mean it's impressive from a golfer standpoint because you know he's, I mean he's still what, 14 and the. You know he's still 14 year old but he's maturing in the sense of his golf game and he's he's more willing to learn. He's open to it at times, obviously, but it's, it's cool, I mean he's. You know, one one state championship with the guys. I mean that's, that's really cool. I think playing on the high school team has been very beneficial for him. And yeah, I'm just glad he keeps moving back T markers because he's he's hidden it far, he's, yeah, he's got to lead the lead the tournament and inches grown the last three years and weight, weight put on.
Speaker 5:Yeah, so yeah, yeah, see you next time and we'll learn a new question.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'd want to say we've been asking each team what the biggest pet peeves they have for each other. Like non-golfolated, so we'd be like he leads the lights on and he eats that. So just what are your biggest pet peeves like?
Speaker 4:Rylan, something in my pocket is yours.
Speaker 3:Yeah, probably. Yeah, my dad. He always has a lot of changes in his pocket and he'll be back there doing this. I'm warming up and just kind of like you want to stop doing that, and my pet peeve is that he gets mad about that. I don't really have a pet peeve, you don't like it when people chew ice, but I know that, so I don't do it around you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6:Justin, this and the Bahamas just kind of a filler space, kind of going into next year. What are you looking at for next year?
Speaker 3:Where am I starting?
Speaker 6:Scheduling. And just what do you see yourself playing all the way through the first quarter? First three-master stuff, I guess.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm starting in Palm Springs, which I'm excited about. Obviously, bum did not be starting in Hawaii. That's always one of my favorites, but the way I mean you never know what's going to happen in world ranking and whatnot. But hopefully it should be good to get into pebble and then Phoenix and LA. I'd like to, so I don't have to suck up the tiger for an exemption. That'd be nice for many fronts. Yeah, I mean I think a lot of guys are going to be playing very similar schedules and that Florida Swing can get a little. I think you might see some difference here and there. Just trying to I'm not sure what I'm going to do that you know that. I think it's like that three or four-week stretch before Augusta. Maybe I'm going to try to look at that and space that out. I'm obviously not too sure yet, but yeah, it's been a very, very busy fall, so this is a nice, fun way to end it.
Speaker 6:When was the last time you wrote for an exemption?
Speaker 3:Wrote for an exemption Probably. I mean my. I mean probably my rookie year. I've been very fortunate. I, you know, love him to death. But I didn't write tiger an exemption for hero. There's probably some other words and some expletives in there, but it worked out okay. He made you pay a little bit for some extra effort, extra effort things.
Speaker 6:You know Tiger would probably never answer this question, but if he and Charlie were ever to win this thing, where do you think it would rank on his list of wins? How would you classify that, do you think?
Speaker 3:I mean in terms of honestly like meaning and it would I'd probably be number one for like special. I mean you can't. Obviously winning majors is unbelievable and how he's won his majors. But I mean seeing how much he you know he cares about Charlie and having Sam out here and him doing that together with Charlie and has he's kind of watched him grow up. I mean it would be a very, very different kind of win that doesn't maybe come with the record books and history and whatnot, but I know it would be. It would suck for us because they'd really rub that in our face quite a bit. What is it.
Speaker 6:What was the kind of the meaning for you? As much as your dad jingles change in his pocket.
Speaker 3:The meaning for it. No, when we won, yeah, it was, it was. It's unique, it's really hard to explain, it's just. I truly think it's one of those things, especially when we won it was. We started the second day a little bit back, but like you're having a lot of fun and you're out there and then you know we birdied, I think like the first nine or 10, we made a lot of birdies and then, next thing, you know, we're kind of coming up 16, 17, and it's like, oh okay, we have a chance to win Well there's not a leaderboard, so you don't know how you're saying it.
Speaker 3:There's probably something to be learned from that. On my standpoint of maybe to, you know, not get as wrapped up in it, but you know we're not, we say it every year. You're not here grinding, really trying to, you know, not pissed off leaving without a win, but it's obviously nice leaving with one versus not.
Speaker 6:It was a big deal to DJ last year. You could tell when we won.
Speaker 3:Well yeah, I didn't mean that it's not a big deal, but it's more so. I think we get wrapped up in the moment of having fun and playing golf with each other. You kind of forget maybe about the bigger picture?
Speaker 6:Did you care more about him winning or you winning?
Speaker 3:Probably I was pushing to get him into Kapalua, but it didn't work.
Speaker 5:Is there anything swing wise? The two of you have worked on with some downtime and if you look at last season, what's the best thing you took out of last season?
Speaker 3:It's swing wise, I'd say. I mean, I think we got a pretty good gist of what we've been working on. You know, the last I feel like kind of from you know, Minnesota through the end of the year, I feel like it's just it's been very similar stuff.
Speaker 3:It's just it might be worded a different way or thought differently, but it's very much in a similar bag, if you will. But no, I mean, I learned a lot this past season. I mean it's number one thing is that it's just things are never as bad as people make them out to be. I think at times, you know, I was just a couple of putts, shots, swings here and there, away from from at least having a chance of making a run in the playoffs, but you know it's a fine line out here. Obviously I was. I did not have a very good year in terms of my standards, but it wasn't maybe at the of where the results ended up. But I think we just have. We've both tried to do a better job of keeping it, keeping it simple and playing golf, but also, you know, keeping an eye on some things that maybe got away from us.
Speaker 5:I'd say yeah, Now you think Mike is like back to basics type of thing.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean I think getting out some swings from his good years, like 17, 18, and kind of put them side by side on a iPad or computer where we can compare positions of what was then and what was now. And it's hard because your body changes and you know, maybe you don't want to do this or maybe you want to get back to this. So it's just a lot trial and error of matching up what things look like before and is it producing those results. So you know.
Speaker 7:Justin, you mentioned you're going to play Palm Springs and there has been a little concern about the fields for the non-signature events. As someone who's you know going to play one and maybe might have to some more, did you hold that concern at all? I mean getting the? You know some of the guys who are all get in all the signature events, playing some of those as well. Is that going to be a problem, do you think?
Speaker 3:It probably depends who you ask. I mean, and to be perfectly honest, my schedule isn't overly different than it has been for a while now. I mean, at the beginning of the year is different simply just from not being in Kapa Lua and then obviously playing adding pebble. But as I go through the year it's not very different. I totally understand that. I hate to use the word concern because I feel like that definitely is a negative kind of gives it a negative connotation, but it just is a. It's a good. Everybody still has a great opportunity and I mean it's based off of whatever it's algorithms or things that the tour came up with. The point system of winning. Still winning a tour event is going to put you in a great position. It's going to help you a lot in the FedEx Cup and it's going to, I think, create for some great storylines, you know, as the season continues. And I still also think that if guys like golf courses, they're going to go play it. I just think that's the fact of the matter. Still.
Speaker 7:So you might play an event regardless of its status, because you liked it or it's been a place you've gone before For sure I mean Phoenix is a great example.
Speaker 3:I've played Phoenix really well and I think it's a great golf course. I'm not going to miss it because it's not an elevated event. I want to go to a golf course that I feel like I have a good chance to win at and that I like I've done that at Tampa in the past I really really like that golf course and I think it's a great opportunity to win there. So I mean that's one that I'm not sure what's going to happen this year, but I just think a lot of guys, like I said, if they've either had success there or they like it, they're probably more likely to make it work in their schedule versus just throwing it away because it's not an elevated event.
Speaker 6:So you have people out there. I think there's a perception that we now have the elite, the A-group and the rest of the tour. There's kind of that perception out there. But if you look at someone like Ryan Harmon, someone like Eric Cole and someone like you, why aren't they thinking about people who can play into this group and those who, if they have a bad year, they're out? Why do you think people don't look at those sides of it?
Speaker 3:I don't know. I think it's the easy thing to do, honestly, is to sit there and say, well, why me? Why is this happening to me? Why are they getting this as opposed to? I mean, I used Adam Schenke as a great example last year. I mean he very realistically, I mean he was like three back of the FedEx Cup with like three or four holes left, and to me that wasn't a big enough story. I mean absolutely zero offense to Adam whatsoever, but it's like if you would have put, you know us side by side at the beginning of the year and said who's going to do what? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:But that's the way that I think so many people look at it. It's like, oh well, they're going to play in all these events, everything is going to be great. And it's like or you could look at it like Adam Schenke did and say I'm going to play my way into those events, eric Cole, I'm going to play my way into those events. And golf is a funky game. I mean, anybody can, doesn't matter how good of a player, great of a player, accomplishments you've had, you can have an off year, I mean, and miss the playoffs just like I did. So everybody's got to work hard and you have to earn it. It doesn't matter what sport you play. That's just the facts.
Speaker 6:You never share your goals with us, but there was a time when you, at the end of the year, you'd go back and tick the ones that you had. Did you take any this year?
Speaker 3:Did I take any? Is that?
Speaker 6:harsh.
Speaker 3:I can't imagine I did, at least in the golf standpoint. I didn't put them in my phone this year I wrote them down. So I need to go back and look and see I probably should post them. But I need to go back and look at them. But no, like you said, I can't imagine I ticked any off. You're not going to post them. You know what you don't think I wow, it's messed up. What other things.
Speaker 6:Now I'm going to do it. That's for psychology. One other thing there's a lot of activity going on on the alignments and PIF and the outside, etc. Etc. How much do you know? And the broader question is, how much do you want to know?
Speaker 3:I think I'm in the middle of both. I have so much respect for those guys on the board in the amount of time and effort that they've put in and their families for allowing it honestly not allowing it, but being good with it. I mean it's been frustrating on my end as a player and having someone on the board. You know the things that Patrick Cantley's had written about. I understand Patrick is who he is, but he's beyond busted his ass to get the tour in the best place possible and for it to be him and the rest of the guys on the PGA Tour board to make things at the best possible place for us players going forward and I know all of them have done that. I feel like when I want to know something, like all of everybody else, I know that I can call any of those guys and they'll tell me, but naturally they're not. No, they don't reach out to people and say, hey, do you want to know what's going on? To be quite frank, they're too busy to do something like that.
Speaker 6:It sounds like you don't pick up the phone either.
Speaker 3:What's that?
Speaker 6:It sounds like you don't pick up the phone either and call and ask, and it makes me wonder how much you want to know.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean I have faith and I have trust. I mean I understand I get updated maybe from time to time, but I am especially last year. I mean I have bigger and better things to worry about. To be selfish and honest, I mean my golf is, I shouldn't say, more important, because the future of the PGA Tour is more important. But selfishly, for me, my golf is, and I know that those guys are willing to pick up the phone and talk to anybody if they want. They just got to call them and I just haven't really had the desire to that much. I got faith and trust in them.
Speaker 6:Too busy vacuuming.
Speaker 3:What's that? All right, gentlemen. Good job Dad.
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Speaker 9:I was physically fit to do it and also walking has always been better for my back and so I just want to keep it loose and keep it going and we were having so much fun and just really a matter of you know, we had a good time doing it.
Speaker 10:And it's your second tournament in three weeks.
Speaker 9:Are you still?
Speaker 10:beginning to feel. I know you're talking about Russ coming off a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, it's better.
Speaker 9:Today was definitely better. I felt like I've made some. I was able to knock a lot of Russ off. I was in there at Hero and felt my hands felt better with control and hitting shots and especially today, with the wind blowing as hard as it was, I was able to hit the flighted shots nicely, which I was not quite on par sharp as I was, as I wanted to be at Hero, I bet you felt good.
Speaker 10:You're feeling good about that too.
Speaker 9:Yeah, I am. We had a great time, and how about Charlie.
Speaker 10:I know. Remember last year he had some growing pains His ankles. He's feeling good physically and he's getting better.
Speaker 9:He's still growing. You can see how much he's grown since last year. It's amazing how much he has grown and has changed. It's a moving target with him right. So I think he's grown somewhere near four inches this year. So it's his swing has changed, it's evolved, clubs have evolved and we've kept trying to adjust things and it's been a lot of fun. But it's also challenging for him because each and every couple of weeks things change. He's growing so fast.
Speaker 10:Yeah, what would you say would be the biggest change in his game from last year to this year in terms of growth of game?
Speaker 9:Well, I think he had a better understanding of how to hit shots, but I think that his speed has gone dramatically up since last year. But I think that more than anything, it's just the fact that he's growing so fast the aches and pains of growing at just teenage life.
Speaker 10:And they moved to a tee back, I think, or they played for a tee back.
Speaker 9:Yes, he has, he's one tee further back, so I guess he's tee number two. So he's just one tee ahead of me, which is fine, because he's hitting it past me now. So we still have an advantage out there. But also we both have to hit shots and we'll have to go well at the same time, and I know that you've been cadding- for him.
Speaker 10:And lately you just walked around for the sake of championships with him, like from those two perspectives, have you sort of seen two very different aspects to his game, like how are you able to help in both positions?
Speaker 9:I enjoyed cadding for him and being there with him, just topped your shots with him and have him understand what I would see or how, the thought process that I would go through shots and he had bounced things off of me and give him my take on certain things and sometimes you just didn't see it the way I saw it, which is fine.
Speaker 9:But I think it's the understanding of how to hit the proper shot at the proper time, and that's what all kids have to learn is when do I hit a certain shot at the right time, or how do I take stuff off a shot, or how do I hit it a little bit harder. What I need to do and you can do that at home all you want, but under tournament conditions this is so different and being able to share that with him, share my experiences with him in game time mode, I think that it was great for both of us, because I think we were both able to learn from it and grow from it, and I think I learned to be a better teacher with it and I think that he became a better player because of it.
Speaker 10:I mean, I think that's exactly what I was thinking, yeah.
Speaker 8:He's growing, obviously, and he's got all the resources, but there's obviously, I'm sure you realize he's going to want to spread his wings a little bit and test things out himself. Has that been a learning experience for you as well, to know when to feel his way through life?
Speaker 9:No, I let him go and I've provided guardrails for him and things that I would like to see him learn and progress, but also then again it's up. I'm trying to provide as much space as I can for him, because there's so much of the noise in our lives that people are always trying to get stuff out of of us, and my job as a parent is to protect him from a lot of that stuff, and also then again, as a teenager, I want him to try and become his own man at the same time.
Speaker 9:So it's a challenge as a parent and to provide that, that Atmosphere for him to learn, to grow and have that freedom, meanwhile understanding that there's so much noise looking into our lives at the same time. Yeah, he was, he was great at it. But also, then again, it's a different era too. We didn't have phones and cameras look at us 24-7 and there was no social media. It was a different era and I have to adjust my parenting and what I have to Share with him, just because the world is so different.
Speaker 9:He's very motor and I have not been able to play and practice as much as he has been able to, but I try and go out there every time and he wants to and I'm now I'm able to start kind of getting out there a little bit more with him and Still able to chip and plot and show him there's a different shots around the greens and things like that.
Speaker 9:But also, then again, I've watched him hit so many golf balls over the past year Because I've been home I haven't been able to play, so I've been able to Help, help them, watch him, watch him play high school golf, junior golf. So it's been a huge positive, I think, for for both of us. I Certainly didn't have the speed that he has At that age, but also, dad, have equipment either the equipment so different than we were just transitioning out of persimmon, so it's a different era. But and also the different golf ball too. We were able to do so much more with the golf ball and hit different shots and and do more things with the golf ball because it just moved a lot more. But I'm able to share a lot of those things with him and and share a lot of the feels and hand stuff that I had learned throughout my entire career.
Speaker 10:I mean, I mean, when we talk to the players and the dads or the moms, they're always like oh, now that they're listening to me or now that they finally think I know what I'm talking about. But it just seems so special. He really seems to have listened to you. It's only not to bit most kids you always have this.
Speaker 9:He does but he doesn't. But they gave that's what all teenagers are right and in the spy job is apparent to provide that atmosphere for him to either To put, to ask the different questions and provide that environment and we're both competitive right. So I want to keep the environment fun, competitive and we push each other, which is great, and the needle is always out. If you're able to, if you're gonna be able to mouth off and give the jabs, then you have to be able to take it. That's been a lot of fun for both of us.
Speaker 8:Beats with something about Charlie Humorous.
Speaker 9:I'd so like the fight you stairs out as fun all the time, but I put your phone away and then look around. That's one of the things that I think that all Parents are struck struggle with is Most kids don't look up in a working anymore. They're just looking down. Look, look around you. The world so beautiful around you. Just look up, but everyone's staring into a screen and that's how people view life and I. It drives me nuts at times because he's always looking down. I mean, there's so many things around you that are so beautiful at the same time.
Speaker 8:One last thing for me, and then I'll let Michelle finish up. Obviously, orlando special to you second win here. Kids born here, charlie's recent mission resort, mission resort mission yeah, success he's had. How nice is it to come back into six periods or later.
Speaker 9:I love Orlando and this was my, my first home away from home, and I moved out of California and moved to Orlando and back in 96, so this was a big part of my life. I just said my kids were born here. I've had a lot of success, whether it was at Bay Hill or it was Disney, or Be able to play with my son here. There's so many great Experiences here in Orlando and it's great to be back. I think that one of the things that it's it's, it's, I think, would be both do. Well, we don't realize we have that take is our shirt tug right and we both have allergies so we're always scratch for our nose. That's one of the that takes that we both have. Think that drives me nuts is he drops his club On this, fall through and doesn't watch where the golf one goes. Granted, I've done that a lot throughout my career, so I you know it's look into a mirror, basically.
Speaker 10:Yeah, I guess today we saw the first hole out and so many of his shots are playing by. The device hole Is ending. You're doing differently, like in your approach, the course for the tournament, like it. Is there any holes that you thought maybe actually Targeted? And yeah, right.
Speaker 9:That's one thing we were trying to figure out today and we've been talking about going into this week Because he's paying a tee further back this year and what the forecast the way it is, whether or not he should hit first. I should hit first and and Put my little, my little cut in play and let him be able to take a rip at it. I think today on I got one in play and he's able to go for the green. I can't get there, but those are things that we have to make up on the fly because of the weather that's coming in and how the golf course is going to play. We were both hoping about that. We're going to have to make those decisions in real time and try to figure that out.
Speaker 9:And that's pretty fun, it is it absolutely is, and we both are talking through the entire process of it. That's what's been fun for both of us. He's not an 11-year-old when he first came here. He's now 14. And things are just different, right. So he has more accountability. He has more understanding of how to play the game. I'm asking him to take a look at some of my strokes and my swings when you see, keep an eye on this. When he first came here, that was the complete opposite, and also that was a COVID year, so things are very different. But also then, I don't think anyone has seen me hit more pups and chips than the last couple of years that he has. So he knows when things are off and when I like to feel, what I like to go to and put as my tendencies, and he has a very good eye.
Speaker 10:So I was going to ask you what his biggest change is, but actually you talked about that. What's the biggest change Charlie would see in your games from last year, apart from the fact you're obviously more physically able and more mobile?
Speaker 9:I don't have probably the shots that I used to have, but also, then again, I think he has a better understanding of what I like. As I said, I like to feel where I go off, and today we're talking about someone like my strokes and I put a shaft down every now and again because I like to see and like to feel, and audibly. We talk through it together and we're a team and this event over the years has brought us closer together and provided an atmosphere for us to be able to compete but also, as a father to son, get on the show Dougie Good man.
Speaker 8:Thanks, buddy.
Speaker 9:Appreciate you Come on.
Speaker 1:So there you go, the PNC Championship. In their own words, it's a fun tournament. I'm sure you all have watched it and enjoyed it in the past, and this year is no different. So let me say this again when they say, go to your safe place, do it. It might just save your life. For the PG-8, your Countdown crew, I'm Frank Bassett saying thank you so much for listening. Please go out there and follow us. Tell your friends to follow us. We could really use some help right now. Like us Facebook, twitter or X, whatever it is now, download us, subscribe to us and help us grow this thing. We're going to need to grow it. Anyway, god bless you all and have a very Merry Christmas.