That Low Hum of Doubt

You can love wedding planning with your whole heart and still feel a low hum of doubt when a client questions your pricing or something unexpected happens on wedding day. That tension is more common than you think — and it has a fix. In this episode, Certified Educator Vicki Amar joins Senior Educator Krisy Thomas to talk about how to rebuild the thing that actually settles you: a professional foundation that makes your value visible before you ever walk into the room.

Vicki Amar is a Certified Wedding Planner and owner of Amarvelous Event, whose career path spans luxury hospitality and the New York City mayor's office — where she helped execute iconic outdoor events like New Year's Eve in Times Square and the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade. Even after planning massive, logistics-heavy events at that scale, she still pursued wedding planning certification, because weddings demand a different kind of leadership. Emotional clarity, creative decision-making, detail management under pressure — and only one shot to get it right.

Together, Vicki and Krisy dig into what professional identity actually means in the wedding industry, why experience alone doesn't always translate into authority, and how continuing education, strong systems, and intentional vendor relationships build real, lasting confidence over time. You'll also hear a wedding-day story that captures preparedness perfectly: a missing-hardware décor problem solved with a hole puncher from an emergency kit.

The episode closes on something that keeps planners in this career for the long haul — community over competition, and the power of a trusted planner bestie who tells you the truth.

If you're ready to feel more grounded, credible, and clear in your work, this one's for you. Listen now, subscribe, share with a planner friend who needs to hear it, and leave a review so more planners can find this community.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

You're listening to the Wedding Planner Society podcast, brought to you by the CWP Society.

SPEAKER_02 0:18

Welcome to the Wedding Planner Society Podcast, brought to you by the CWP Society, the world's premier wedding planning certification program and membership. I am Chrissy Thomas, senior educator here at the CWP Society, and I am really glad that you are tuning in today. And I want to start this episode by asking you to do something that might feel a little unusual. I want you to stop thinking about your business just for a minute. Stop thinking about your next inquiry, your current client, the vendor email you need to return. Just set all of that down for just a second. And I want you to go back. Go back to the moment you decided that you wanted to do this. Not the moment that you filed the paperwork or built the website or that you told someone out loud for the first time. I mean before all of that. The moment, and I believe almost every planner and coordinator has one, where something clicked and you just knew. Maybe you were attending a wedding and you watched the planner move through the room, and something in you said, gosh, that's it. That's what I want to do. Maybe you were the person in your friend group who always ended up organizing every single event, solved every single problem, and basically held everything together. And you realize that one day doing that for the most important moments in people's lives wasn't just something you were good at. It was something that you were built for. Do you remember that? And can you feel it? Because I want you to hold on to that for this entire episode and not just as a nostalgia piece, but as a reminder. Because sometimes when we're knee deep in work, deep in the details, and sometimes deep in those difficult clients, the logistics and the long days, we lose touch with the thing that started all of this. And I think that's worth reclaiming today. Now, here's something I've come to understand after years in this industry and after watching hundreds of wedding planners move through it at every stage. The thing that brought you here, the sense of calling, of purpose, of this is exactly what I am supposed to be doing. And that is a real thing. It's not romantic, it's not naive, but it's a legitimate, powerful force. And the planners who stay in this industry long term, the ones who build something that actually lasts, always, always still have access to that feeling. They haven't lost it. They've in fact learned how to feed it. When it comes to passion, even genuine, deep-rooted passion, it does not run a business on its own, unfortunately. And that's not me being critical here. That's just the truth of the work. You can love this industry completely and still find yourself struggling to explain your value to a client who wants to negotiate your fee. You can be incredibly gifted at reading a room and managing a timeline and keeping everyone calm when there's a crisis at hand, but still lie awake at night wondering if you're actually doing this right. You can even have a calendar and fully booked and still not fully trust yourself when something unexpected happens. That tension between how much you love this work and how unsettled you sometimes feel inside of it is one of the most common experiences in this profession. And most planners and coordinators carry it quietly because from the outside, everything can look fine. Things might not look great on the inside. Internally, there's this low hum of uncertainty that sometimes never goes away. And I want to talk about where that comes from because I think actually understanding it first is this step toward getting free of that feeling. When we start in this industry, well, most of us anyway, we learn by doing. We figure things out in real time, we watch other planners, we take notes, we show up, and we work hard and we get better. And that process is genuinely valuable because experience does teach you many things. But there's something about doing it alone and doing it without a hard-earned knowledge that I think experience cannot give you. And I think that's the most thing that thing that most planners don't have a language for quite yet. Because doing teaches you how to handle what's in front of you. It doesn't always teach you how to see yourself clearly, it doesn't hand you the language for your own value, and it doesn't automatically translate your skill and your dedication into the kind of professional authority that other people, whether it's clients, vendors, and venues, can recognize before they've even had a chance to work with you. So think about that for a second. Every new client who finds you is making a decision about whether they trust you with one of the most important days of their lives, often before they've even had a chance to speak with you. Every venue you approach, every vendor relationship you try to build, they're sizing you up based on a picture that they form of you before they've even had the chance, or you've even had the chance to show them who you are. And what fills that picture, what tells your story in the absence of your presence is the professional identity that you've built, or maybe that you haven't even built yet. That's the gap that I see in so many talented planners. And it's not a gap in ability, it's a gap in visibility. They've been so focused on doing the work that they haven't built the thing that makes them their work legible to people who need to find them. You know, I want to tell you something personal about me because I think my story is relevant here. I am deeply introverted. You know, I'm shy, I I'm I'm introverted in a way that where walking into a room full of people, I don't know, requires real energy for me. And in an industry that runs on relationships, on presence, on being able to walk into a vendor networking event or showcase or just walking into a room that is something I had to come to terms with early. I knew from the beginning that I was not going to build my career the same way some planners do. What I understood and what turned out to make all the difference was that I needed to build something that could speak for me. Something that told the story of my preparation and my commitment and my professionalism before I had to say a word. I needed this industry to be able to look at me and understand immediately that I was serious about this work, that I had done more than just showed up and figured it out, that I had invested in knowing exactly what I was doing and why. So when I made the decision to pursue a certification from the very beginning of my career, not something I came back to later on, everything for me shifted. Not because I suddenly became a different person. No, that was still me. I'm still very much introverted. I still wasn't gonna walk into a venue meeting loud and just, you know, being the loudest person in the room, but I walked in with something else, a settled authority, almost like a groundness that other people could feel before I even spoke. Because of that, within a year, I was able to leave my career in banking and run a full-time wedding planning business that was built entirely on relationships and referrals. Yep, little introverted me. I was received national recognition. I was featured in Martha Stewart weddings, vendors who barely acknowledged my inquiries before were reaching out to build partnerships. And none of that happened because I became a different person. It happened because I gave the person I already was the foundation that I needed to be fully seen. And I share that not to tell you that, you know, my path can be your path. That's not the case. Every planner story is different. But I share it because I want you to understand something clearly. The version of yourself that you pictured when you first decided to do this, the one who moves through the industry with confidence, clarity, and genuine authority, that's not a fantasy. It's not too much to ask for. In fact, that feeling is real, possible, and absolutely achievable outcome of making a decision to build your professional foundation with the same care and intentionality that you bring to your clients' most important days. That is the decision that's available to you. But the real question here is whether or not you're ready to make it. So today I get to talk with someone who did exactly that. Someone who looked honestly at the planner that she was and made a deliberate choice to become the planner she always intended to be, and who can speak to what that actually looks like, feels like, and means in the day-to-day reality of this work. And I think this conversation is going to stay with you because this is someone that I even look up to. She is a certified wedding planner and just her career and her story blows me away. So I am excited that she's here. She's not a stranger to the podcast. Vicky, welcome back to the podcast. It's Vicki Amar. She is the planner, certified wedding planner and owner of a marvelous event. Vicki, welcome back.

SPEAKER_01 9:22

Hey, Chrissy. Thank you for having me.

SPEAKER_02 9:24

Absolutely. So I'd love to start with your entire story. So I kind of want to start from the beginning because your story is just so remarkable. Your career is just, it's it blows me away. But what did your path into wedding planning actually look like? And what was driving you when you first started?

SPEAKER_01 9:42

So, right out of college, I ended up working at like an ultra-luxury resort in Booker Tone, Florida. And I was a manager in the concierge division, but I always had my eye on the events division and there was never an opening. And so I ended up applying for an unpaid summer internship, like a post-college internship with the New York City mayor's office of citywide events. And I worked there for about a month before they offered me an entry-level job. And then for nearly a decade, I stayed at that same office and had six different titles and worked my way up. And I ended up leaving the office with the title of Deputy Executive Director of Events. And during that time, and on a personal level, I got engaged and began planning my own wedding. And that's when I realized how different wedding planning was from the government and corporate side of event planning that I was really familiar with. Because weddings carry way more emotional weight and creative freedom. And not to mention the very million details that add up to one beautiful ballroom or like the 14-page timeline that keeps the day running. It was just so different from what I was familiar with.

SPEAKER_02 10:56

Can I go back to the very beginning? Because I, A, when you you were in Florida, but then you apply for that job in New York. What did you know? I just want to be in New York. That's a dream. Like, why did you find that in Florida? That would have not been something that I would have been like, let me look up this and magically got the job. And then second, the fact that you were only interned for a month and they were like, okay, you need to be an employee.

SPEAKER_01 11:18

Like, yeah, that was that was a wild ride. So I was I was in Florida. Florida is where I mostly grew up, but I was actually born in New York City. And so I had some family up there. So when I was looking for opportunities here in South Florida, and I wasn't really finding something that I loved or was very interested in, I started branching out and thinking, okay, well, maybe if I just do like a short-term thing in New York City and I could like live with my aunt and figure it out. And so it was unpaid, but because I was able to like rely on family at that time, it kind of worked out. Um, and I, yeah, it was, it was not, I was really not expecting to get hired, truly. And there were three of us at that office that were interns. I was the only one that got hired. And then you stayed on for a deck over a decade.

SPEAKER_02 12:08

I mean, they're like, she was well worth the decision to hire her a month in. Can you share with our listeners like some just a little tidbit of what you did in that role?

SPEAKER_01 12:19

Sure. Um, so in that position, it was very logistics heavy. So uh all of the rules and regulations from city, state, and federal agencies kind of were in my wheelhouse. I had to know all of that so that I could help event producers come in and produce all outdoor events in New York City. So things like New Year's Eve, like ball drop in Times Square or Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade, or marathons, music festivals, like corporate events, concerts, uh, everything, brand launches, everything that happened outside in the streets or parks of New York City. I had and played a role in planning, but from a very logistical government side of it. I can imagine no emotion there. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like no, and isn't that funny? That was like one of the like drivers that brought me to wedding planning because I I loved, I loved what I was doing and I loved helping like event producers come in and produce what they wanted. And you, when you're planning a million person event and you're walking through like Times Square on New Year's Eve, you're certainly seeing an emotional impact that you helped create in the eyes of all the spectators there. But you don't have an emotional connection when you're working with the event producers who are producing the events, they don't have that emotional tie as if as a couple does planning their wedding. That is that's certainly different.

SPEAKER_02 13:48

I mean, I and it's so funny because when you mentioned like that this was all logistic heavy, I think about how with the wedding there's 5,000 puzzle pieces that make up the logistics there. I can't imagine in that role, I'm sure it's probably 5 million thousand puzzle pieces, but the fact that she can handle that yet still find yourself saying, weddings are a different beast. I think that's I I'm hoping that speaks to people who want to do that transition from corporate things or whatever they're doing in their business now to I want to also do wedding weddings now. I hope they hear it's two totally different things. And because of that, that kind of transition to you to where you are now as a certified wedding planner. You know, Vicky, when you think about the planner that you were in those early years, and we can do it in both ways, your early career as working with the city, or even your early stages of you being a planner compared to where you are now, what to you was the most meaningful shift? And maybe not in the aspect of what you do, but how you move and how you navigate through this work as a wedding planner. Confidence.

SPEAKER_01 14:56

I gained my wedding planning certification at a time when I was already the expert in the room. I was planning iconic million-person events. I knew every city, state, federal agency rule needed to make it happen. I'd help the event organizers get it done, but I wasn't confident in wedding planning. And yes, my certification gave me all the tools that I needed to do the job, but it still took time for me to grow into a similar level of confidence where I felt like the expert. And part of that is yes, time doing the job as the years progress, but also another aspect of it is continuing education. And every week or month continuing to learn something within this industry and my growing level of knowledge, fostering industry connections with vendors that I'm building, and then creating new systems that I now have in place are the assets that I know all couples need. So knowing that I have what they need gives me the confidence to then book them and take care of them.

SPEAKER_02 16:01

I love what you said about you still took the certification, even though you were you were the expert in the room. That just speaks to volumes about I think how much you understood the magnitude of the responsibility that you had serving your couples. That despite the fact that I can execute these events and have millions of people attending them, I still have to shift my focus on this couple. I still have to make sure I know what I'm doing to serve them well on a day that we can't redo. A day I can't do over. You got you get to have the New Year's Eve, you know, ball drive every single year. You know, if you messed up one year, like lesson learned, we can reapply it for the next year. You can't do that for someone's wedding, unfortunately. At some point, most planners hit a moment where the work that they're doing and the professional that they want to be doesn't quite line up yet. Did you ever experience that? And if so, what did it feel like from the inside?

SPEAKER_01 17:01

Uh, definitely. So I have a very like growth mindset, like always wanting to learn and improve myself. And when I worked for the New York City mayor's office, I would take as many trainings as I could. When I became a manager, they offered managerial trainings and I took all of those. And then on my own, I would sign up for FEMA and TEAKES emergency response trainings with topics related to like weather incidents and large gatherings of people, event incidents, and I was taking all of those. Um, and then I became certified in emergency management through the New York City Office of Emergency Management, all while doing like citywide events. Yeah. And I just craved more. And the things I was learning, they were very interesting and kind of like valuable knowledge to my current day job at the time, but they weren't helping me grow professionally to I think where I wanted to go because I wanted to be more in the thick of it. And in my job, I mentioned before, I helped plan all outdoor events in New York City. I worked closely with event producers who came to me and told me what they wanted to do and I would help them achieve it. But I wasn't the creative, I was the logistics. And eventually that led me to a certification in wedding planning where I did hope I could learn more of the creative side of event planning.

SPEAKER_02 18:22

Yeah. What was that transition like for you? So once you gain your certification, you were still working your job with the city. How did that transition from you working with the city, you planning weddings, were you doing those things simultaneously before you became a full-time planner? Yes.

SPEAKER_01 18:38

Um, I had I had a few crossover years. I think it's like 2017. I opened my company, but that was like the year I got certified and then opened my company. And I had crossover years um where I was doing both, which was uh challenging. I had I had grown to a level at that office where I was then the upper management. And so I had a whole team of coordinators under me. And so I was able to make the schedules and assign all of the events, and so it was it was nice to be able to kind of create my own schedule at the time, and that's like the beauty now of being a business owner, but I gained a little bit of that towards like the end of my time at that office. It was certainly a time of uh complication having to like juggle doing both for a little bit until I was able to take the leap and just do a marvelous event full time.

SPEAKER_02 19:35

Wow. I think what I love too about the initial story that you mentioned, because again, this just goes to show you how powerful education is. I think with a role like this, you could have easily just not taken any of those extra courses, not did anything extra and just kind of learned as you went. But I feel like in order for you to be who you wanted to be in that role, which was to get a little bit higher as much as you could, you saw the value in education. And I think that same, obviously, mindset has helped you tremendously with being able to now be a full-time wedding planner because you do value education. Like you mentioned earlier, you didn't just get your certification and say, I'm done. You make a point to continue to grow your education in the same way that you did with your job with the city. And look how that's benefited you. It's to me in both aspects, education to me played such a huge role in being able to become the planner that you wanted to be. I'm so, I'm so fascinated by that for sure. You know, I talked about the difference between having a career and having that professional identity. Does that land for you? And if so, how would you describe where you're in that now? And if you are in that.

SPEAKER_01 20:47

Well, someone asked me recently what my hobbies are, and I felt real lost in that for a minute because like now I have kids, and but like surely my hobbies are not my children and my my or my children's hobbies, you know. But I came to realize that my grown-up hobbies, and I'd love to share this with you, these are my grown-up hobbies. Um, hosting holidays, collecting china and the types of things that you would use at for hosting, yes, uh, creating magical experiences for others, making throwing epic parties, creating elaborate tablescapes, like true, and planning vacations. And it was actually so hard to come up with that list because a lot of that for me has crossover in wedding and event planning. And there was a point when I realized there actually is no longer a division between those activities and my career. It's all the stuff that I love to do. And so my professional identity is now just aligned with my personal sense of self, skills, and values. And I think that's why I love what I do so much. It's just there's like major crossover. Between passion and work.

SPEAKER_02 22:03

Exactly. And I think even and what I, you know, what I mentioned earlier, with part of being in this industry, you do have to have passion. Like you have to have it. And I think that just shows as you were listing those things off, I was like, okay, that's wedding funny related. That's wedding planning related. That's wedding planning related. But it's all like you said, it's still part of your personal and who you are at your core. But it I can see how it segues into and kind of blurs the line into your professional identity. And it's something that we do talk about your professional identity and who you are personally. We talk about this a lot at CWP Society, how who you show up as personally should still also be how you show up in business. Those two, you can have fun little quirks and hobbies and things outside of wedding planning, but the way you show up and how you present yourself should be the exact same way. And I think it's because hey, that you know, you I think you should just be a good person in general that's going to show up in business. But I also think when I think about the wedding industry specifically and how couples are hiring you for such a personal event and not just the day itself, but the process leading up to it. They want to make sure that they're with someone as their wedding planner or coordinator because we're the captain of the ship, we're leading everything, we're guiding them through this process. They've got to be able to connect with you on some sort of personal level. And if you're showing up as two different people, it's kind of confusing. So figuring out who you are as a person and obviously your professional identity, it's gotta somehow mesh. They don't have to be exactly, you know, you don't, you don't have you can, I don't want you to say ignore your hobbies. Like my hobbies are weird. I watch some of the weirdest stuff. There's nothing wedding related at all, but who I am personally and how I show up for my family, my friends is how I show up for my clients as well. They're getting the same version of me regardless. So it is a it's a fine line of figuring out your professional identity and your personal identity. I think a lot of that professional identity does have to go, it ties into your education. It ties into your certification, it ties into how you show up in a room and why sometimes that certification, that badge, allows you to show up first before people really get to know you personally. Because they can see, okay, this person is legit, this person is credible, this person has this badge that I can easily verify if they are certified through the CWP Society. That's going to kind of peep open that door for them to then get to know you personally and to get to know your professional identity just a little bit more. Now, is there a specific moment, maybe a client conversation, a vendor interaction, something maybe even that happened to you on wedding day where you thought, this is who I've become? Where you've actually felt it rather than just know it almost a sense of like, I am who I am. Well done, me.

SPEAKER_01 24:53

Uh yeah. At my last wedding, um, the couple gave us all their boxes of the personal decor to set up. And in one of the tubs was a big banner. And it's like a big welcome banner with a photo of the couple, like life size. It's huge. And it needs to be pulled taut over this tall wireframe. And it literally took four of us to figure out how to put this thing together. And at the last step, we come to realize the reason we can't figure it out is because the banner is missing, some like two holes at the bottom with like grommets that literally would hold it onto the frame. And everyone is stumped trying to figure out how we're gonna get this thing to hold its shape. And I just laughed, opened my emergency kit, and pulled out a hole puncher. And the three of them were floored that I had a hole puncher on me, like a literal Mary Poppins emergency kit situation over here. And it tickled me so much because I remember when I randomly added that hole puncture to the kit simply because, like, you never know. You don't know what you're gonna need. And it was like my emergency background, like like emergency management background coming into play and being like helping me think of every worst case scenario and like what I would need to solve every problem. And like, no need to worry. I've planned for everything type of moment, but like the this is who I am. I'm like the over the over planner. All that FEMA training comes in handy, I guess. Down to the whole puncher, right? Down to the whole punch, exactly. It sounds like so simple, but that at its core is like the level of preparedness that I feel like I exude on wedding day.

SPEAKER_02 26:33

Yeah, exactly. And it's funny, I feel like we feel that at some point throughout the day for almost every single wedding. Like, cause things pop up, you know. I tell my my potential couples and my couples, there is just unfortunately no such thing as a perfect wedding day. Something's gonna go wrong, something's gonna happen. But the phenomenal thing is you've got me on your side. So unless the building's on fire, you're not gonna know about the problem. Well, um, because I'm gonna figure it out, I'm gonna have a solution. I'm gonna have my handy dandy emergency kit that believe it or that will be that gets used at every single wedding, and it's filled with the most random things and objects. It's funny, I remember taking something out of my kit. And I, what was it? I think it was like um, what was it? It was something so small that I remember it was the as the the start of the season, and I was going through my kit and I was like, no one has ever used this. Like, this has never been used, I've never used it, a couple's never used it. I'm just gonna take this out, and sure enough, the next wedding, someone asked me for it, and I was like, I literally just took that out of my kit. So after that, I was like, never again, I'm not gonna put anything out, you never know what's gonna happen. Don't everything in that kit comes in handy, man. Exactly, exactly. Now, Vicky, if you could go back and hand the planner that you were at the start, one thing that she didn't have yet, other than something in your kit, what would it be? And then you do you think that that version of yourself would have even known that they needed that or that they wanted it?

SPEAKER_01 28:01

That is such a good question. Um, I would go back and give myself a planner bestie. So in the early years, I was so isolated in like to myself in my business. Um, and then I was, and then as the years went, I built a beautiful friendship with another certified wedding planner who actually is in my state. Shout out to Juliet and Orlando. Um, we're in different markets, but still um close enough that there could be some crossover, but we're always there for each other to lend an ear or chat through things. We discuss annual goals at the start of every year. We talk about like accountability and making sure we're getting work done. I mean, we're just there whenever the other person needs. And it's a relationship purely built on community over competition. And and I don't think I knew years ago that I needed a friender, like I needed a friend within the community. But looking like, you know, looking back now, I wish I did have that early on. I think that would have been nice, like at the start of planning my whole business and the company and just getting started.

SPEAKER_02 29:11

Yeah, just kind of the struggles of growing and having somebody I've been there, done that, let me be your shoulder. I think to me, I love that you said this, Vicky, because that's something that I, when I started my career, I didn't expect to gain when I gain my certification. I quite literally thought I was just gonna get going to be able to get the knowledge, have the tools and the foundation to build my business. I didn't realize that in becoming certified through the CWP Society, I would also find like-minded people who would become some of my best friends. I didn't expect that. And again, like you, it wasn't something that I thought I needed to have in my career. But now looking at my my entire journey of my career, I can't imagine where I would be without finding my wedding planner Bessie, without having that community. I don't know if I would even still be here, to be quite honest with you. Because, you know, as you know, Vicky, this industry is hard. You know, we're ranked in the top three most stressful jobs in the world for a reason. And there were definitely moments of burnout and darkness. And I think when you have a community of people that you feel safe with and safe telling them, like, I'm starting to not love the job that I love doing what's happening, and having a group of people to be like, we know what you're feeling.

SPEAKER_01 30:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:25

And you feel safe and you're not alone in that. And not only that, but they're having the C of EP also allows you with those weekly workshops that you mentioned, you know, education, it allows you to figure out what's going to work best for you to stay in this business. And that's one reason why we have that continuing education because we know staying in this industry long term is hard. And we don't want your journey as a certified wedding planner to end once you gain your certification. We want this to be as long of a career as you want. If you want to be doing this 20, 30 plus years like Lori Hart, well, we want that for you. But in order for you to maintain that type of longevity, you have to be able to keep growing and keep learning. And that's the only way you're gonna be able to be in this career for so long. And having that education, but also having that community, to me, education in a really safe community is what I think is the equivalent of a very successful wedding planner and being the type of planner that I'm assuming you probably want to grow and want to be. So I'm so glad that you mentioned that. And since we're talking about, you know, becoming the planner that you always wanted to be, when you sit with that phrase in context of your own story, does it fit? And is and is there still a version of that planner that maybe you're working toward?

SPEAKER_01 31:43

Right now, I think I'm the planner I always wanted to be, um, as far as like confidence and the value that I bring to the table for my couples and my vendors. Um, but I'm always looking to grow and to continue to educate and to better serve, to better serve myself, my couples, my whole industry and vendors. Um, so as happy as I am professionally with where I was and came from and where I am now, I think, you know, I think I'm also excited to see how much more I can do and where I can go within the industry. And, you know, I am the planner I want to be, but who knows? Maybe one day I'll exceed that.

SPEAKER_02 32:26

And yeah, exactly. It reminds me of the Hamilton where he says there's a million things I haven't done with just you wait. I feel like I feel like that all the time. Like I feel that, you know, and I think we, you know, when I look back at my career and I've checked off all these goals, I'm like, there's still so much more I can do. Right. And that's the beautiful thing about being in this industry. And I think that's the one of the most beautiful things about being part of the CWP society is that we have that that path of being able to grow and continue in this career. And to me, I think that's it's a beautiful thing. Um, and it makes me excited for all the people who are a part of our community, and it makes me excited for you to see where your journey and where your career continues to take you. Thank you. Thank you. What you shared today is exactly the kind of honest, grounded perspective that I think planners need to hear. It's a real story of what it looks like to invest in yourself and watch it come back through every part of your work and every part of your journey. So I'm grateful that you were here today. And to everyone listening, I want to close with this. The planner you imagined when you started, the one who walks into a room with authority, who handles moments with grace, who clients trust completely and vendors respect deeply. This is not a different person than you. This is the person who has the route foundation underneath them. But the foundation doesn't build itself. It doesn't come from just doing enough weddings or waiting until the timing is perfect. It comes from making a decision that you're worth the investment your clients deserve. The CWP Society exists exactly for this. Whether you're just starting out or you've been in the industry for years and you're ready to formalize what you know, there's a place for you here. Visit CWPSociety.com to learn what certification looks like for where you are right now and take the next step. Not sung day now. Thank you so much for spending the time with us. And until next time, keep building the business, the career that you actually set out to create. Thanks again, Vicki. Thank you.

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