Gas Station Labubu with DRY SOCKET

Dry Socket are the super-heavy, load-bearing wall of Portland hardcore punk music. Their music blends the intensely personal (warts and all) with communal, universal catharsis, and they are just embarking on their biggest year yet. 

To celebrate their upcoming European tour and the March 27 release of their latest record "Self Defense Lessons", Dani and Geoff from Dry Socket stop by to wage the war of the hot dog versus the garbage disposal, discuss authenticity with empathy, growing up hardcore and its complicated legacy, grassroots anti-boofing, and the clear holder of the most hardcore bird (MHB) championship belt. 

Music this week:

• "Abomination" by Dry Socket (17:52)
• "The Hull" by Weft (28:12)
• "Leglock" by Dry Socket (57:46)
• "Bootlicker" by SPY (74:49)
• "Again" by Railing (88:55)

Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:00

You're listening to Hot Garbage.

SPEAKER_01 0:13

Hello and welcome to the Hot Garbage Podcast, Portland, Oregon's premier music, discovery, and interview show. My name is Drew. I am a co-host of the show. Joining me as always is my dear friend and podcast friend of me, Andy. Yeah. That's me. Andy, our silent partner, Nate, is with us. He is making the sound happen as he does each week. For that we are grateful. It's a real treat for the ears this week, Andy. We're just jumping right in because we had from the band Dry Socket, Danny and Jeff were in the studio this evening, and what an absolute delight.

SPEAKER_03 0:47

Oh yeah, super stoked to have him on the show. That was awesome.

SPEAKER_01 0:49

We played them a couple weeks uh ago on the show, and so uh just loved what we heard, and we couldn't wait to get them in-house, and they delivered. We talked about um we gave some food storage advice, some kitchen appliance advice. They were very handy with that. Uh, we occasionally discussed music tangentially. We talked a little bit about the most hardcore bird, and um, you know, we just had a rollicking good time. I think people are really gonna enjoy it. Um Dry Socket, you can follow them on Instagram. They have a really, really busy year lined up, so they're just about to go on a European tour. We play on tonight's episode, a newly released single that they just put out last week. Uh they have uh an EP drop in on March 27th, and they're playing uh an album release show live here in Portland on April 25th, and then they got like, you know, 30 other things that are going on for the rest of the year. So a lot to absorb with Dry Socket. We hope you have a great time, as much of a good time as we did with Danny and Jeff on this week's episode of Hot Garbage.

SPEAKER_03 2:06

Oh man, Drew, this is weird. I'm in your seat. It's feeling weird.

SPEAKER_01 2:10

Yeah, is it transferring the vibes?

SPEAKER_03 2:11

Yeah, I'm just I'm just getting all over the place.

SPEAKER_00 2:13

Did we mess up your normal seating arrangement?

SPEAKER_03 2:15

No, usually, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:16

But no, it's good this way. No, you're in the the typical the guest seat. And Jeff, like I admire that you just went for this. Like you saw what you wanted, and it was Andy's chair.

SPEAKER_00 2:27

He saw a camping chair and was like, that's the one.

SPEAKER_01 2:29

Yeah, I'm gonna camp right here. Yeah, it is disoriented because I never see anybody. It's like you should be co-hosting this show. You're totally facing the door, you're gonna be able to do that. You got a little devil on your shoulder. That's good.

SPEAKER_00 2:40

I'm the co-host now.

SPEAKER_01 2:43

Uh what's that? Is that a Captain Phillips reference? I think so. I don't know. Topical.

SPEAKER_03 2:50

Topical. Right before this all went down. I mean, I I might have a certain funk to me because my my sink got backed up. It got really backed up, and it was all my fault.

SPEAKER_00 3:00

Is this a metaphor or is this reality?

SPEAKER_03 3:02

This is real. Okay. So it's a great question. I came home and the garbage disposal was locked up, and I was like, God damn it, you guys putting shit down here, and I reached inside of it and pulled out an entire hot dog. Like a big one, like a Costco hot dog.

SPEAKER_01 3:14

Man, you just you just did you like you didn't pause for a second, you just jammed your your fist down into like a broken garbage disposal. Oh man, it's off.

SPEAKER_00 3:24

Also answers the question of hot dog versus garbage disposal.

SPEAKER_03 3:35

And in my hubris, I threw that hot dog back in there, guys, and I was like, look, it's working so good that hot dog just disappeared like nothing. I would have thought a disposal would just like vaporize a hot dog. Well, that's what you'd think. You know, jump cut to three hours later when I was doing the dishes, and suddenly the sink is filling with black water that's full of chunks of hot dog. And I can't little sink gender. Yeah, I just can't get it to to go down. I was plunging it, I was working on it, and I had to take the entire bottom, like all the your sink's hot dog trap?

SPEAKER_01 4:11

You had to empty the trap.

SPEAKER_03 4:12

I had to empty the hot dog trap, and it was packed full of hot dogs and eggshells. And it turns out that garbage disposals are a lie. Do you barely do anything?

SPEAKER_00 4:20

Do either of you have a disposal in your We have a garbage disposal, and I had never had one before, and I'm going to say that maybe ours is superior.

SPEAKER_01 4:29

It can handle a dog.

SPEAKER_00 4:30

Uh I put a lot of shit down there and it goes fine.

SPEAKER_01 4:32

Well, what I was gonna say is I don't have one at my house, and like I have just been putting like I've been just stuffing anything that will go through the grades. For me, that's like the size qualifier. If I can jam some old ground beef between them, it goes. So and no trouble so far, you know, knock on wood. But oh, Jeff and Danny, can I ask you guys another and Nandy too, of course, but another food-related question. This happened tonight. It's hot on my mind because I just ate this meal, but I was preparing dinner tonight and the recipe called for a little bit of Parmesan cheese. I pull out my bag of parm, the you know, used by Daddy's April 30th, so I am in great shape. I am well clear. And then I'm putting in a few little pinches that it calls for, and then I notice in the bottom of the bag a couple of blue spots. And so I don't think that the cheese the cheese I put on the uh the recipe had any blue in it, but I I can't be 100% certain because of the rest of the bag. Now, I cooked it and I ate it. But do you think we're you think we're in good shape here? I got some c I got some follow-up questions. Okay. Did it taste like dirt? No, it was it was perfectly fine.

SPEAKER_03 5:32

I didn't taste any penicillin-like mold. I fuck around with a lot of moldy cheese, and usually I just cut off whatever's moldy. I think that's the rule with cheese, right?

SPEAKER_00 5:40

You just cut off what's moldy. You're not supposed to do that with bread, but with cheese you cut off the mold.

SPEAKER_01 5:44

Okay, so like if it's not contiguous mold, we're in we're fine.

SPEAKER_03 5:47

I I don't think ground already like like already shredded is kind of dicey because it could move between the the pockets of air. But more than anything, all that a little bad cheese will do is go, yeah, that tastes like dirt. That's what I think.

SPEAKER_01 6:01

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_03 6:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:02

We're not talking about like because we only have one bathroom, you know. Yeah between the two of us.

SPEAKER_03 6:06

We don't I don't want to be this is I'm talking about my system.

SPEAKER_01 6:09

If I need to have a cooler handy to poop in tomorrow, I just want to you might need a cooler.

SPEAKER_00 6:13

The thing that would sketch me out though is like it's one thing for cheese to grow mold at its time of death, like at the expiration date, but if it came to you and it's early growing mold, what's in that bag?

SPEAKER_01 6:23

Yeah. I mean, that's a good point. Good call. I mean, it's probably been in there for a couple of weeks open. And so I don't know if like once it's open, is that date that's on the bag just out of the case? Was it cheap cheese or or like a little bit nicer cheese? It was the what's it Lu Lucerne or whatever the brand that uh safe way?

SPEAKER_00 6:42

If it's like orange cheese or cheap cheese, I feel like that's where it's like any like totally fine have mold on it, you just put it out. But if it's nicer cheese, I'm sure there's like rules around this or something like that.

SPEAKER_01 6:51

This is probably the the There's some cheeses that come back. Proletariat cheese that I'm accustomed to buying.

SPEAKER_03 6:57

Yeah. But yeah, I think you're good as long as it didn't taste bad. That's the main factor.

SPEAKER_01 7:02

Um, well, I would love to talk a little dry socket, actually. Moving from now I feel safe, now I feel like I'm not gonna throw up all over either of you. Okay, so this is slightly serious, and there's a little wind-up to it, but I was writing today about just stuff I like, like waking up in the morning and trying to like set my mind right. And I was like getting into this um the thing. I like to make little lists, I like to like get lost in like a creative project, and I was as I was documenting this, I was like, man, I really wish I could translate the way I feel into the creative things that I do. And I was listening to all your music this week preparing for the interview, and there's just like an emotionality to it all. I mean, a lot of the emotions are anger or pain or you know, rage, they're intense emotions. But I'm wondering when you're writing a song and you're trying to get in that creative headspace, like how do you amp yourself up emotionally to be in that place?

SPEAKER_00 7:52

Um, well, I'm sure musically it's different than lyrically. Um it kind of depends for me, because I think it also depends like I very much write from a where I'm at in the moment place. So, like our first LP, I was like in a terrible headspace. So a lot of that was like bits and pieces where I'd be like driving and being like, I'm not okay, and then like recording on like my phone, just like random shit, and then going back later and being like, What did I write down? And then like we have other releases where I was just like really pissed. Like, I feel like the split we just released, I was just like really angry all the time, and that was like pretty straightforward to write in a lot of ways of just like doing it.

SPEAKER_01 8:35

So I think I What are you conscious of any little um like maybe for people like me that are emotionally all blocked up? How do you when you're feeling something, how do you allow yourself to express it to other people? Like, is there something you do to open up those floodgates?

SPEAKER_00 8:50

As somebody who is also extremely emotionally repressed, where I uh uh pretty much this is where I allow the emotions to happen. Like I I don't know, it's a it's a permission-based thing, definitely for me of like there's context and it makes it easier. And I know how much music and bands and vocalists and lyrics made a difference to me when I was younger.

SPEAKER_06 9:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:14

And so that the ability to be vulnerable comes from me being like, I've if like if I know how that affected me, maybe I can do that for somebody else. Yeah. And so it makes it easier.

SPEAKER_03 9:26

That's cool. So being in a hardcore band, a lot of people who aren't accustomed to hardcore will be like, oh man, a lot of that stuff sounds the same to me. Do you find that because you are a singer in it, you can suss out like non-authentic hardcore easier than somebody else?

SPEAKER_00 9:43

Oh, that's a funny question.

SPEAKER_02 9:46

Um finding the authentic in between the massive amounts of inauthentic or like the all the whack posers out there.

SPEAKER_00 9:55

I mean, I think it's like it's how we all connect differently to different things, but like for me, you can tell the people that are posturing or like just trying to sound a certain way or emulate a certain thing. And like everybody has different tastes, right, when it comes to heavier music and especially vocalists. Like, I feel like there's the people who want more of like a singular tone metal vocalist where like it's angry, but it there isn't a lot of necessarily emotion, it's just like pure anger. I really like vocalists where you can like you can hear in in it, like the same way you when somebody sings from an emotional standpoint, like you hear somebody yelling from an emotional standpoint, but that's not everybody sings, so I feel like it's hard, that's a hard question of like who's authentic and who's not, because I think at the end of the day, hardcore. Well, it's kind of cool to do now. I understand turdstyle is like a thing. Uh it's never been that cool. So, like coming from it at it from like an inauthentic place of being like, I'm gonna yell, uh, without like anything behind it, even if it's just like suburban white dudes angry at their moms, which is a lot of hardcore unfortunately, uh it's still coming from somewhere.

SPEAKER_02 11:03

Yeah, I think both of us like sort of our background and like us sort of being interested in hardcore, sort of based on our background of not being the cool kids and stuff like that. So to me, like when I go see a band um that just is clearly trying to show off how cool they are the whole time, and like their main feature is just to prop themselves up and their their coolness. Just like this is this isn't what I came here for.

SPEAKER_01 11:37

I yeah. I love this point because I feel as if um you know, I we grew up in the 90s and so like authenticity. The idea of authenticity like was really culturally viable, you know, and I was a teen, and so I was very sensitive to people who were full of shit, you know, like you're just like on edge about inauthenticity all the time. But it seemed like there was like a threshold of artistic integrity that needed to be met, at least like you had to take a position of artistic integrity, especially in hardcore and punk music. But I feel like like younger generations just don't think like that. I feel like the idea of being real or authentic is like they see that as a sort of a trite standpoint. But you're you're saying that you like you, as a listener, like you can pick it up on that. And I think that's the important point. It's like what however you make music, like someone out there is going to experience it, and if it isn't real, they're just not it's just not gonna vibe.

SPEAKER_00 12:27

Yeah. And I think authenticity like looks different now than it did back then.

SPEAKER_01 12:31

Oh, do you have like it what what does the new shape of it look like from your point of view?

SPEAKER_00 12:35

I mean, I know I am not 16, so I can't speak for 16-year-olds, but we we interact with a lot of them at our shows and also play with a lot of bands who are much younger than us. And to me, authenticity when we were like like in the 90s, authenticity was so much about like how you show up in a counterculture way, right? Or like how you're how how it there was a cool kid element to it, but it was it was almost like not caring. I don't know, there's like a lot to it. And now authenticity looks a lot more like kindness, it looks a lot more like showing up in in a variety, a huge way. Like we can go to a show and there's a kid in clown face paint, there's a raver, there's whatever, and they're all listening to the same hardcore bands, but and they're all really accepting of each other, and then you have these older people in hard hardcore who will be like, I don't understand these kids in this clown face paint, and it's like those kids end up hating those people because authenticity actually looks like overall acceptance of any way you want to show up, yeah, versus gatekeeping and guarding and being like, if if you don't fit this like counterculture mold, then it's not it. And like actually there is something authentic to being yourself, even if it looks like wanting to stay the fuck home and not go to shows. Yeah, or being a juggalos. Yeah, like it's wild where like I don't know how you grew up, but like I grew up kind of making fun of juggalos, and although now like we know better because juggalos have like kind of led the way in a lot of wild things, but like now it's like you have juggalos mixing with punks, mixing with hardcore kids, mixing with like disco people, and they're all 16 and having a blast together.

SPEAKER_01 14:18

That's awesome. That's a great point. I have in some small ways lamented like the dissolution of some kind of gatekeeper element, but one of the huge bonuses is that kind of shit just goes away. Like people's style and taste is not it doesn't seem to me that uh the whole generation of people care about any of that shit anymore, and everything is on the table, which I think is a wonderful aspect to things integrating and falling away. I also just like I wonder, um you were talking earlier about this being a kind of a cool kid thing, and like authenticity was about showing up in a counterculture way, and there was maybe a checklist, you know, like sort of a unspoken checklist of what that looked like, what that sounded like. But I also think about authenticity in terms of like its impact on artistic choices, and I felt like the good side of that back then was that this was like a rejection of things like corporatization that stood in the way of making art. Do you think, since you think there's a ch been a change to what authenticity authenticity looks like in a community way, is there a similar change in how authenticity impacts the music?

SPEAKER_00 15:21

I Yes. I mean, I think that there's like a variety, right? Because I think we live in a very different world, right? So like if you just look at something like AI, authenticity is changing based off of how AI is affecting things. If you look at how much it costs to do a band, how to exist in a band, how to like do anything. It used to be that somebody could have their rent be 200 bucks and they could tour and make no money and like do a band. And now like corporate sponsorships are so much more common and it's a necessity, unfortunately, if you are trying to do this. And like, I don't know, there's like so many factors like that, down to like there's bands that we play with that have zero social media presence on purpose, and the only way to find out about their shows is like basically word of mouth, and it's really wild because those bands are still growing, they're never gonna be huge, but like there's still a scene for that. Yeah, and that's authenticity in their way of being of like rejecting everything else. That's amazing.

SPEAKER_01 16:18

Like, I can't that's what we do with this podcast, basically. Well, that's what I do to this podcast. Well, Andy and I are in an immortal battle over whether we want people to hear this or not. I don't want any of this. I say yes. I think if you're listening to it right now, fucking high-five, but don't tell anybody. Um, well man, there's so many things we should talk about. Uh, but let's listen to some music. I know you guys brought a couple uh dry socket tunes that we would love to share. What would you like to kick us off with this evening?

SPEAKER_00 16:45

I can't you're whispering words. What do you want to do?

SPEAKER_02 16:49

It's your choice. I think uh starting with abomination makes a lot of sense. Um before we play it live, like usually talk about it.

SPEAKER_00 16:57

So you're gonna make me be serious. Um yeah, the song's called Abomination.

SPEAKER_01 17:02

You can also lie in a humorous way, and no one like it.

SPEAKER_00 17:04

It is about hot dogs and the garbage disposal.

SPEAKER_01 17:08

In the way that many things are.

SPEAKER_03 17:09

That wasn't abomination, the things that came out of that hot dog.

SPEAKER_00 17:13

Uh it's probably our most popular song um and one of our like more meaningful ones, because it's very much like a personal chant, which I think is one of the like the beautiful things about hardcore is like we get the sing alongs where you get to like somebody can make a statement and everybody feels the same way. Uh, and it was meant to be that, and the song's it's definitely about being like queer in the world we exist in, but it's dominantly really just about being told you're too much or you're too little, and that feeling of that. Um, and like especially yeah, I don't know, trauma. We'll just say trauma. But yeah, that's abomination.

SPEAKER_01 17:49

All right. Let's give it a spin. What's a battle vest?

SPEAKER_00 19:20

Um, it's kind of exactly what it sounds like. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:23

You put it on, you go to a show, it's just like, you know, like uh usually it's a jean jacket vest, spiked up, with all the patches you want to put on it. Okay. And people take it to all kinds of cool extremes, you know.

SPEAKER_00 19:34

Yeah, and they became really popular coming out of COVID. Uh people had time to with the youth.

SPEAKER_01 19:40

Uh man, the youth. They've left me behind. That's why I'm crew neck sweatshirts on the way.

SPEAKER_03 19:46

I think what's due to come back if it isn't already back because I'm old and out of touch is the butt flap. Did you guys ever fuck with the butt flap on a pair of pants? It's a it was a punk thing. A lot of my crust punk friends did it. No. They did it because they were outside a lot, and that way you keep your butt dry when you sit on stuff. It was like a functional thing. But it was just another patch, but it connected like lower back or your back of your belt over your ass, and you just had a flap.

SPEAKER_01 20:09

Oh, okay. It was possible for some reason I was thinking of the trapdoor.

SPEAKER_03 20:12

I was thinking No, it wasn't like instead of and they were I was like, why would you drop it to keep your ass dry?

SPEAKER_01 20:18

But I get it now. Just a little extra cover, huh?

SPEAKER_03 20:21

Yeah, it's just for like when you're like sitting in the dirt outside a show, or if you're just somebody who happens to live outside, just another layer.

SPEAKER_00 20:28

I think anything is possible. We could come back. Ska is getting popular again, so it's truly anything is possible.

SPEAKER_03 20:33

How did that happen? Who's leading that revival? I think people like who grew up during it are telling people that it's good. People are skanking again? Yeah, it's happening. It's happening. And also I think that this is leaving a dangerous door open to swing music coming back again.

SPEAKER_00 20:49

I mean, everything comes full circle. Isn't it the whole thing of when things get more conservative, nostalgia goes up for things, and apparently that means ska music.

SPEAKER_01 20:57

That makes sense. That makes perfect sense. Yet another thing is. Oh, that sucks.

SPEAKER_03 21:06

Oh man, that's where me and MAGA overlap, is our love for ska. It's Mustard Plug. That's about it. I love Mustard Plug. Yeah, man. They were like one of the first bands I chose to go see. And uh yeah, deep history.

SPEAKER_01 21:18

I just referenced Brian Setzer just yesterday, so it's like already happening. It's already seeping into my like it's already gone beyond ska for me. I'm straight cat strutting now, subconsciously.

SPEAKER_03 21:28

I've been talking to a lot of people, they've been losing their banjo players or like you know, guitar players, and I'm like, just replace it with horns. Yep, bring the trombone back. They will be ska over the course of the year.

SPEAKER_01 21:38

Did you guys ever have a ska soft spot though? Like I sort of did. I am proud to say I didn't have that.

SPEAKER_02 21:44

In middle school, I was I was a band geek growing up, so like middle school of around that whatever wave that was, like of Robig Fish and all that. Yeah, in middle school, like Robic Fish was like one of my favorite bands.

SPEAKER_00 22:00

I know, I've seen the uh the last tour October tour we stayed with Jeff's parents and like uh we did we stayed with them with a band we were on tour with as well and I like brought them all into the living room and was like, This is Jeff's middle school photos on the wall with uh the AFI sweatshirt and him holding a trombone. Amazing. So I know that's a trombone for the record. Sorry, I don't know, kick my horn. So that's just a short trombone.

SPEAKER_01 22:25

That's just a short trombone. I was a sucker for like real big fish, beautiful harmony. I like a I like a vocal harmony. So they had me a little bit with that.

SPEAKER_03 22:34

I liked ska, but I always wanted the ska bands to be heavier. And there was a few ska bands that were kind of heavier, like against all authority. I thought they were really fun. I liked Methoscophales. Well, like Link 80, remember Link 80 ska bands? They were really crusty and I then I fell in love with No Effects, because that's just Ska without the horns. There's some horns on the bottom.

SPEAKER_01 22:57

You were mentioning earlier the like the singers and lyricists that were formative for you, who was on the list who were some of the the heavy hitters of your youth.

SPEAKER_00 23:07

I mean hardcore is like such a funny place because I feel like when I was younger I was like hardcore is male dominated, right? There's really that's and so like when I was younger it was all men, and now that I'm older and I'm like, I don't fucking want anything to do with that, um it's changed because like there's the bands that were really formative for me, and now most of the lyricists that I look at that I like look up to are not hardcore because there's just not enough people for me to look up to.

SPEAKER_03 23:32

Yeah. Honestly, I have to say the same thing. When I was looking up, I was trying to find local Portland female-fronted hardcore bands to play on the show, and I had a really hard time and didn't really find one. We do have out there, I just I'm out of loop.

SPEAKER_00 23:46

We have a good scene for it. Like Portland's actually a pretty special place compared to a lot of places. Um not everybody gets recordings, and that's definitely a thing. But it's like to me, it's always like it's like ten years ago. Like like up until the last like really like five years, there's been this prolific amount that have come out, but like I can't like I don't have many heroes because they didn't exist. That's crazy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:11

How did you learn to s scream and sing the way you do? Like, how did you learn to do that just like as the instrument?

SPEAKER_00 24:16

Destroying my vocal cord. That's how I learned. Uh I started singing or like yelling in a band when I was like 18, and uh nobody needs to hear those recordings ever. And uh it took a lot of like destroying my vocal cords to a point where I then had to properly learn technique from a few people, and I still like don't feel like I I still blow my voice out and I still don't do it because I like how certain things sound.

SPEAKER_03 24:40

I kinda love it when somebody's blowing their voice out sometimes, when you can hear it that way. You know, it's cool. I mean, but you can it feels like raw on the biggest thing.

SPEAKER_00 24:51

It's emotional, and I feel like there's like a lot of vocalists who hear you hear who yell who like do it well. They do it really incredibly well, but it's not emotional because you're just projecting air with a little bit of noise versus actually like going raw.

SPEAKER_03 25:06

Yeah. Like a hot dog and a garbage disposal. Man, like you wouldn't.

SPEAKER_00 25:12

That is always what I wanted my voice compared to.

SPEAKER_01 25:16

I mean, that sounds pretty hardcore. Like if you could emulate that that sound, that that hot dog crashing sound.

SPEAKER_03 25:21

Do you guys remember that toilet commercial where they showed how many things they could flush down on like a super toilet? I don't remember that. It was wild. It was like a pack of hot dogs, and they would flush it, and then it would be like 10 golf balls, and they would flush it. Is the audience just like the heavy dumping family that was just like, dude, that's can't courtesy flush? I can't imagine filling a toilet with golf balls and thinking I was gonna flush it and it would work out.

SPEAKER_01 25:46

Maybe your house of like toddlers, and toddlers are I don't know, like maybe they put things in the toilet. Maybe you have a chronic toilet stuffer for like a year and a half, and you have to get this ultra-wide toilet or this. You look down into it and like the hole is like three times as large. It's just like this chasm that you're about to shit in.

SPEAKER_03 26:06

In the commercial, they were just like joyously flushing whatever you threw at them. I thought they were gonna take a like a bowling ball too.

SPEAKER_01 26:10

There was that X-File's episode with the lamprey, the monster that was in like the bottom of a latrine, and there's this great shot from the show where they just like shine like a flashlight down and he's just there. If that hole was big enough, I could conjure too many terrors from that episode.

SPEAKER_05 26:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:26

I know I'm an adult now, because all I can think about is how that is destroying the plumbing to the street, and anybody who buys that house after you is screwed, and I'm very sad about that. That's where my brain is going.

SPEAKER_01 26:36

Yeah. Think of all the wet wipes that are going down that thing. Oh man.

SPEAKER_00 26:40

God, you're gonna have to replace that plumbing eventually.

SPEAKER_01 26:42

What do they call like the ball of them that would get caught in the street? Oh, there is a word for it. Yeah. Uh it's like A Fat Berg.

SPEAKER_03 26:50

That's amazing. Sounds really gross, though.

SPEAKER_01 26:52

Fucking got stuck in the fat burg. Um, Andy. Speaking of fat burgs, what have you been what have you been dumping into that big hole this week?

SPEAKER_03 27:01

I got something real special for you guys this week. Uh this is from uh my home state of Michigan. This is a band called Wept. And as far as I can tell, they're from Traver City. So they're living up north. That sounds like hardcore country. Yeah. Traver City, Michigan. Man, this is like orchestral black metal, if it was a sea shanty. That's how it feels like to me. Okay. It's like emotional as shit. It's beautiful, it's heavy, it's crushing at times. And strap the fuck in. I don't do this very often. This motherfucker's 10 minutes long. Oh no. I was just about to ask. I don't ever do this, but I I was I was like, I know, this is crazy. I just get in this groove. Ah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:44

I know many people won't want it, but you know, it's called too bad.

SPEAKER_00 27:48

Your description was making me be like, man, I love not doing a hardcore podcast. This is awesome. Like, that's like you're describing something as beautiful and then ten minutes never doing anything like this ever again.

SPEAKER_03 27:57

But it's okay. Like, smoke them if you got them. We'll be back in a minute. Or ten.

SPEAKER_01 38:27

What was the name? Oh, it's Wept. Weft. Weft? Yeah. With an FT. Okay. I just want to say a 10-minute song may or may not be your thing out there, but I do want to support artists doing whatever they want. So I feel like I was a little, you know, a little spiciness when you queued up a rudely length song. But that is no reflection on Weft at all.

SPEAKER_00 38:48

Totally. Like if I'm driving through a national park, I want a 10-minute song like that.

SPEAKER_03 38:52

Oh, that would be amazing.

SPEAKER_00 38:54

Give me a sunset or a sunrise.

SPEAKER_03 38:55

Give me a Yab album. Yeah, that's it. Yes. Driving. Oh. Fantastic. But I'm the same way. I have a short attention span. So it's hard for me to sit through a full long song. But I heard that and it really spoke to me. So I hope you guys enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_01 39:09

And if you didn't, we talked about this a little last week, but all of us have sort of like independently been trying to go back to listening to full albums this year. This is a little side thing. And so I'm trying like one a day or one every other day that I've never listened to anymore. And it does sort of like you have to get over that, you know, that short attention span conditioning. But once you do, it's like, oh shit, whole albums. That's that used to be where it was at.

SPEAKER_00 39:33

Are you listening to the new whole albums or like going back to albums that you used to listen to?

SPEAKER_01 39:38

So basically, um I use Bandcamp or Spotify. Um try to use Bandcamp as much as possible, but I would just like follow a bunch of bands that I'm interested in. If I've heard about them, I'll just like make sure they're on a list somewhere. But I have never really gone back and been like, okay, let's pick one from the middle of this list and see what try to remember what I liked about it or give it giving it a chance. So I'm really working from that like old self-curated library that I've forgotten totally about, and then I'm just like, alright, today we're gonna check that one out.

SPEAKER_03 40:04

I would be curious to I know that this is not hot podcast gossip. But is this your beer? Uh no. Okay, cool. I reached over and thought it was your beer. I've had this whole display debate in my head where I thought I was taking your drinking. But it turns out it's mine the whole time. Cool, sorry.

SPEAKER_00 40:23

Um I would be curious to see your impression of older full albums compared to newer ones coming out, because especially bands that are on or majors, one of my understandings is that part of the reason we get a lot of singles with time before the album comes out is they're actively changing the album as impressions come out. It's like what they do on for like TV shows now. And so they're like crowdsourcing info that these audiences. Older albums used to be written as like a whole album with like a feel, and you're like writing a whole concept. And I've been thinking about that more now that I when I listen to like a new obviously pr not like smaller bands aren't probably doing that, but like like bigger albums now. I think about it to be like, is this written as a complete album or is this just a collection of songs that they crowdsourced?

SPEAKER_01 41:08

Oh, I'm always interested in that. So I was listening, I guess last night, just to pull up an example. I was listening to a band Your favorite AI jammers. Uh that was uh Frog Pond or or Time TimeTeap is the band, I guess. No, Frog Pond is the band, but their album was for them in like 1997 that I stumbled upon. And I listened to it, and I what I loved about it was that the first three songs sort of like felt like a little sweet. They felt like they were tied together, and then the rest of the album had the same vibe. And I was like, I just liked I liked that first one, so I know I'm gonna like the next 11, and I just cruised right through it.

SPEAKER_03 41:42

Drew was on a uh committed listening to an album a day, a different album by a different band every day. Yeah. This year since that was his New Year's resolution. Uh how's this going?

SPEAKER_01 41:52

Well, I mean, that's what we're talking about. Like, I am probably not every day. Oh yeah. Uh I listened to this one last night, that's what I was referencing, and because it was an older album, I don't know how I even came across it, but um I was wondering, like, that's been my habit now, is like I find I don't know, you just find little parts of your day, and if you have that in the background, I don't know, I found it more enriching. But I was like sort of a haphazard listener for so long. What are your like music listening habits? Like on a day-to-day basis, are you consuming music?

SPEAKER_02 42:21

Definitely less than what I used to with like the prevalence of podcasts taking up so much I'm with you. It's uh I think within the music that I listen to, there's still so much sort of like um emotion involved and meaning behind it and stuff that uh with how things are just in the world, um, there's a lot that I'm jamming in my ears that are just sort of like trying to get me through the day.

SPEAKER_01 42:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:53

Um so dumb hockey podcasts or something that consumes a lot of my time. Um and at work, I'm just I was into hockey.

SPEAKER_01 43:02

That sounds like a rich treasure trove of podcast options.

SPEAKER_03 43:06

There are there are holy shit, Instagram wants me to be into hockey so bad that I love hockey now. Yeah. Like I I like find myself like just watching highlights from teams I don't know anything about and just being amazed at the skill of hockey currently. It's like a guy from Michigan, he must love hockey. Yeah. That's right. I watched a bunch of Olympics and was just like, man, fucking hockey's fun to watch. I mean I've been it's in the boat, but I don't know anything about any teams and I don't watch it. So Who's your team, Jeff? Uh Buffalo.

SPEAKER_01 43:35

Okay. Are they any good? Didn't they have like the for like a transformational draft pick a couple years ago that was like a couple times.

SPEAKER_02 43:45

It turns out they didn't transform shit. So fourteen years in a row without playoffs. Oh maybe th maybe this is the year.

SPEAKER_01 43:54

You're like the blue jackets of New York.

SPEAKER_02 43:57

But worse. Uh but for real music I like being in the car is like the the real sort of place that I like I can hear it the way that I want to hear it. Like in your own car, your own sound system where you're like, alright, this is my little bubble to feel like whatever I want to feel. You can play it as loud as you want.

SPEAKER_01 44:20

Totally. And and for some reason I feel as if people cannot see me behave the way I behave inside my car.

SPEAKER_00 44:26

That's because there's a real reason. That's the truth. Even though it's a box of glass that they can see from it.

SPEAKER_01 44:33

Well, that's what resonated maybe with you when you mentioned earlier that you sing around while you're driving around. I do a lot of dangerous like vocal recordings in the car too, but it's it is that totally feels like a safe space for listening too.

SPEAKER_02 44:43

Yeah, I've definitely been caught before doing the finger pointing uh to lyrics thing. Yeah, at the red light.

SPEAKER_01 44:50

I love that. I feel like if you just maybe put like one uh earbud in in an ear, then you're like you plausible deniability. You could be yelling at someone on the phone or Exactly. You know, that could be another human in your life, not just you in a glass bubble.

SPEAKER_03 45:04

If it's just me in the van, I'm driving around my minivan, definitely all the windows are down and I'm blasting some shit hard and I'm going off.

SPEAKER_01 45:11

Too self-conscious to go windows down. I mean windows up.

SPEAKER_03 45:13

I love it because I'm a big fan of when I see somebody else getting way too into music while they're sitting in a car. I want to see you fucking rocking the entire car with your yeah. I will shake my van where people are like, somebody's the that shit's a rockin'. I'm not coming to knock in, but it's me just like listening to music. It's not sex.

SPEAKER_01 45:36

It almost says that's why he opens his windows to make sure that was a button.

SPEAKER_03 45:40

No, look, it's me rocking out God curves.

SPEAKER_02 45:46

I feel like as I get older, like getting to see people that are just truly in the moment just enjoying themselves. When I was younger and be like, oh, that's cringe. And I'm like, you know what? Fuck yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:57

You yeah, you do what you want to do. I'm with you. I have turned the turn to the fucking corner on that one where I'm just like, dude, that rules. I don't care how embarrassing it is to anyone else. Teenagers are hating it, but I fucking love it.

SPEAKER_00 46:09

Well, teenagers are embarrassing. Yeah, yeah. I didn't say that to anybody who listens to us as a teenager.

SPEAKER_01 46:16

But the jokes on that because life is embarrassing. Like they think it's gonna get better, but it's it's just it continues to embarrass.

SPEAKER_00 46:22

Yeah, but it gets better when you realize that. Like the I feel like the best thing about my 30s has been the I don't give a fuck about anything anymore.

SPEAKER_01 46:29

When did that creep in? Like, do you was there a moment, was there something you like used to know you cared about and then it changed?

SPEAKER_00 46:35

I mean, I used to like care what I mean, I still everybody cares what people think of them, but I feel like there's like a lot of things, like even with the band stuff that like part of our successory, I think, is the fact that like I will be like, I'm gonna throw a beach party that makes no sense whatsoever for our band and our branding, and I'm just gonna commit to the bit and do it. And in my twenties, I would have been like, people are gonna judge me and think it's weird and I don't know what's gonna go on. And now I'm like, beach party.

SPEAKER_01 47:01

Beach party.

SPEAKER_00 47:02

I don't know, I just want to.

SPEAKER_01 47:03

But you also discover that a beach party is a universally beloved idea, regardless of age or persuasion. Yeah. That's true. Yeah. So Andy, you guys should start some sort of marketing company because you have the same such an identical ethos. We're on the same level. I love it. And I'm I'm like I'm like the Brian Epstein of the Beatles here. I'm like, let's get these guys into some suits. Yeah, you know?

SPEAKER_00 47:25

It's a beach party, we're not having sex.

SPEAKER_01 47:27

Yeah, it's a beach party. Much like Andy's van.

SPEAKER_03 47:31

Yeah, much like Andy's van. Fuck free. I need a like a bumper circuit that says it's not an orgy, it's a mini van.

SPEAKER_00 47:40

I we'll make one for Dry Socket that says it's not an orgy, it's a hardcore band. Yes. And it'll be great. It's fantastic.

SPEAKER_03 47:46

I would wear that shirt. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:47

You make it a patch.

SPEAKER_00 47:49

We'll make it everything. Okay. Yeah. But flap. Ah, same joke.

SPEAKER_01 47:53

A butt vest. You guys were out of there. I need to start my my battle jacket with that that patch.

SPEAKER_03 47:58

Let's start you with a butt flap and work up.

SPEAKER_01 48:01

Yeah. Yeah. Construct the battle vest around the butt flap. You want a good foundation.

SPEAKER_00 48:06

You might be too old to come to a hardcore show with uh it's not an orgy, it's a heart. It's not a orgy, it's a hardcore band on your shirt. Uh just saying the predator complex with all those young kids. I don't think you could pull that one off. I'm sorry. Still have questions.

SPEAKER_01 48:20

I uh like I'm I feel that way about like an all-ages show. There have been several times. Do you guys know the movie Days and Confused? Yes. Where the guys are like, you're supposed to have the party at the house, and like the nerdy guy walks up, knocks on the door, and the dad answers like uh no. That's how I was. Like I got to the door of an all-ages show, and I'm like, no, I I can't go in. This is not not for me. Just turned around and walked away.

SPEAKER_00 48:39

We played a house show in Portland where there was one of the bands was like 15, and I was like sitting very quietly, very scared at our merch table, and they were like they were trying to ask me questions about boofing drugs, and I was just going, Don't do drugs. You are Did you present as an expert on this? I don't know. And then I might bring it up. I don't know, but I was just like, I don't know. You're wise. And also if the police show up and you have drugs, I get arrested.

SPEAKER_03 49:10

Like I feel like I grew up going to a lot of cross-punk shows back in the day where I was the the like 13, 15 year old. I was as well. And uh the adults were a lot more forthcoming with their drugs, and they're hanging out with us and looking back on it, not cool.

SPEAKER_01 49:27

Not cool at all, right? But also, here's the other thing about that. Like when I was younger, people who were in high school looked like full-on 40-year-olds. So I don't know, like the people at those hardcore shows may have just been like 17, but when I was 11, they looked like real authority figures.

SPEAKER_03 49:40

Fucking adults.

SPEAKER_01 49:40

So maybe their drug use and hindsight makes a lot more sense than if it was like a 28-year-old.

SPEAKER_03 49:44

I like to think back in the day that I was a really cool kid, but I did hang out with a lot of adults. And I'm good I was good friends with a lot of them for a long time, my whole life. But it was weird that looking back on it, it was like, why was that dude like skating with us teens? He was really nice, he brought us a lot of beer. Man. Never did anything creepy, but like, yeah. Maybe I just have an old soul.

SPEAKER_01 50:07

Yeah. I think you're uh an accepting person. Or maybe it's because I when that guy's just like, I wanna I like the I'd like to skate with y'all, and you were just you took him at face value. And that might have been the right move, you know.

SPEAKER_00 50:18

It's also because I feel like he probably was like, All my friends have kids now. What do I do? Who do I who can I skate with?

SPEAKER_01 50:23

Yeah, yeah. That might have been a part of it. I actually am super excited that kids have uh like a house party scene. One of my you know, mini regrets, nothing that keeps me up at night, but I wish I had done music things at a younger age and just like been that kind of kid, you know? And uh so it's really it's exciting that they're that they're doing it and they have those opportunities.

SPEAKER_00 50:44

Yeah, and I think that's like like part of it is adults stepping back from that too. Because we'll we will go to some of that stuff and be like, this is not for us. Totally.

SPEAKER_01 50:52

Like that was my that was my takeaway. I was like, it's not for me. I'll s I can listen to this music, I can support it, but this is not my place.

SPEAKER_00 50:58

So Yeah, and I don't want to screw this up for them. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:01

Yeah, I don't want to bum anybody out by just being around.

SPEAKER_03 51:03

I'm gonna just be like that old guy in the back, like snapping his fingers, like way offbeat, like having way too much fun.

SPEAKER_01 51:09

There is a there is a show character that sort of transcends time and space that is just like allowed to be it could be 130 years old, you know, that those kind of those kind of show people where they're just you don't know what scene they originated from, but they're they're just everywhere, and you're like, alright, that's fine too. That's that's sort of out of the that's an outlier. We'll let that one fly.

SPEAKER_03 51:31

Yeah. I'm a really bad judge of people though. That's my big problem. Where I give everybody the benefit of the doubt, and I'm like, this dude seems cool. A lot of times that dude isn't cool. So uh, you know, I'm probably also very bad to have at a party in this situation because I will be like, nah, this dude definitely can take some more mushrooms.

SPEAKER_01 51:51

I've been working at the I've been volunteering at the the Friends of the Library has like a bookstore that's affiliated with that. And I've been working at the register there, and it is interesting how many people need a place to just go and talk. Like that's the thing that has struck me the most is that and the fact that you know you can be having whatever quote unquote normal conversation is about something germane to what's around you, and then all of a sudden they're off in you're in a totally different kind of conversation. So it's not really about judging people, it's about like, man, these people need some place to talk about these things. And I think sometimes like weirdness or social oddity is a lot of times just I got all this stuff and I have no one to talk to about it. So that would have been my takeaway. That's made me a little more tolerant of oddities. So maybe it's not maybe it's not a character flaw.

SPEAKER_03 52:39

You know, I d I had a I was a I was DJing this last weekend, and there was this old guy who came up and was instantly just like talking to everyone, and I was like, this dude is a huge pain in the ass. And I could just tell. And he was just asking for song requests like right off the bat. We were on a stage and he walked right up on the stage to the DJ table, and I was like, Man, there's like a stage there. I thought that was like a threshold, but no. And uh he was having so much fun, he came up and was like, You guys are the greatest DJs, we've never had music like this here, I love it. And then we started playing Spanish music, and this dude changed. No. He got so mad at us, balled up his cap and his hands, screaming about how we were playing Mexican music, and it was just like, dude, get the fuck out of here. And he stormed out, and it was fucking awesome, and I was like, play more fuck all those people. They don't like it. We don't want them here anyway. And uh kind of happy that he showed his true colors and left because he was actually a huge pain in the ass anyway.

SPEAKER_01 53:40

I know, but you just don't like when that happens, it's just like, ah man, what a bummer.

SPEAKER_00 53:44

I have been having the opposite happen where I will have somebody at a show say something kind of fucked up to me, and then they realize that I'm in the band, and then they eat their fucking words uh at our last show. Because I wear a I wear a mask at our shows because I've gotten I I don't want to get sick of the show. I we I don't want to lose a tour or whatever. And uh some some guy walked up to me and was like, What are you so afraid of? And I was at the merch table and I was like, excuse me, I was trying to figure because I always am like afraid of the question because men love to be like, Why are you so angry? And I'm like, you and um but like and I was like and he was like the mask, and then he like kind of came after me about COVID, and then all of a sudden he stopped and was like, Wait, you're in the band? And I was like, Yeah, I'm the singer, and he 180 it so hard, and uh like up was like oh yeah, no, I wasn't, I wasn't, I like supported and like whatever, and it was very funny to me. And uh I was like, Oh, cloud is kind of cool sometimes.

SPEAKER_03 54:41

Yes, like that man just ate his words, and also people forget like mask politics and whatever dude. When we were wearing masks, I was not getting sick. No, yeah. I shouldn't have a cold for a full year, and I always have a cold, so that shit worked for a number of reasons. I don't care how you feel about I don't need to hear your opinions on if COVID's real or anything. I don't care. I might wear a mask sometimes because I don't want to get sick or I already am.

SPEAKER_01 55:08

Do you sing in the mask as well? No. Okay, I was gonna say that seems like it would be like like waterboarding yourself or something.

SPEAKER_00 55:13

Yeah, no, I can't do that, but I wear it like I pretty much have stayed masking because I have some autoimmune stuff, and also like I just can't afford to do this work. If I don't work, I don't get paid. And then like on tour, like I got COVID the last time we went to Europe and we ended up having to drop a show, and that's like my nightmare. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:30

So it's makes total sense.

SPEAKER_00 55:32

Yeah, and I I think like there's a lot more like bands and musicians taking a lot more precautions than they let on because it's not cool. Like they don't want they don't want people jumping down their throats about it. But a lot more people are taking precautions these days.

SPEAKER_01 55:45

That's great. I mean, like I've been on a handful of tours and it is just like it makes a huge difference if you just kind of keep the van clean, you know, just like throw your trash away, just little things, and and a masking masking can be a big thing, but just like maintaining a a level of cleanliness and attention to that kind of detail makes it so much more enjoyable. To say nothing of preventing like serious illness.

SPEAKER_03 56:08

Have you ever tried not giving a fuck? And just leaning into it and just being real dirty for a while.

SPEAKER_00 56:14

Oh, you're the person in the back of the van that has like a nest of garbage where nobody else can sit in that seat ever.

SPEAKER_02 56:19

Yes, it keeps me warm at night. Are you talking about a certain person?

SPEAKER_00 56:23

I don't know that we don't have that in our bands at all.

SPEAKER_01 56:26

No trash nesters. Yeah, no. Good dry socket. Well, uh, I'd love to hear some more dry socket too. I know you guys were at least one more. Tell us about round two.

SPEAKER_00 56:35

Yeah, uh, this one's called Leg Lock. It's brand spanking new. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 56:40

Uh, can we call this a world podcast premiere? I know it's already been released by the time people are hearing this.

SPEAKER_00 56:45

It is a world podcast premiere. Wonderful.

SPEAKER_01 56:47

Certified world premiere.

SPEAKER_00 56:48

Yeah. It's uh off a new album we have coming out um end of March called Self-Defense Techniques, and it's called Leg Lock. And yeah, it's just uh it's about watching all the things that you thought or wanted, thought you were promised, wanted to be promised, the dreams kind of slip away as like the world breaks down, your body breaks down, um, your life breaks down. So yeah, that's what the song is.

SPEAKER_01 57:15

Alright. Let's get leg logged. That's right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 59:38

I love that place.

SPEAKER_01 59:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 59:39

They have laboo-boos and they have out the front knives.

SPEAKER_00 59:42

I was just gonna bring up that one of the gifts I've been buying people lately was gas station knockoff laboo-boos. And I feel I was like, we are the same. Your knife is my laboo-boo. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 59:52

Even though I make fun of Andy a lot, I do love it when a guest comes on and just is like on his wavelength. It's fascinating to me. I love gas station laboo boos. It's like seeing a little miracle. I'm like, what is that? It's a happen, or like like quantum entanglement, you know?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:07

The only thing I love to buy people right now is those little gas station figurine uh keychains that are like a cartoon character, but they're very bad. They're not done very well, and they're like very like blocky and rubber. Like it feels 3D printed, but it looks like it came from a factory. But it'll be like Sonic, but it'll have like teeth and like individual fingers or something. Yeah, all those ones that we made before they were changed Sonic back. Oh, those things are so fun.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:35

On the UK tour, all of the rest stops had dogs. They were like like the quarter machines and dogs, different dog breeds would come out, and I was mildly obsessed with it. And everybody, uh, because weed also and things, I would be like, This is your dog. Wait, it was a miniature of the dog itself. A miniature of the little dogs, and it was a variety of dogs, and I like everybody got a dog, and I brought home a million dogs, and I spent all my money on that tour on gas station dogs.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:59

Do you guys remember homies back in the day? Yeah. Yeah. Oh god. I did have quite a few of those. I had so many. You know, they were fucking great though. Those are cool.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:08

They were like, um, you know, like, I don't know, maybe you guys can't relate, but when most people I know had like a big stack of CDs that sometime around the age of 23 just vanished. Like they have no memory of where where where it went to or how they lost it or why they would get rid of it. It's just like one day they had like 300 CDs and the next day they have none. And I have that experience. I have this CD blackout, but my homies were sort of in that category too. We had like them on the sink above the sink, and somewhere along the line the CDs went away and the little homies went away. I think beanie babies were like that too.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:38

Yeah, where are they? Yeah, we had a doctor uh when my kids were little that would give you a free beanie baby every time you came to the office because it was her collection. She was real into it, and then it all fell apart, and she was just like, No, let's give them up to the bottom.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:50

That's why here's the Princess Diana bear. Thanks for getting a shot.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:54

What are the luboooboos though that you mentioned? I've heard that word, but what what actually is that?

SPEAKER_03 1:01:57

They're like these fuzzy little like monster rabbits.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:00

Yeah, they got really popular, and apparently the non-knockoffs are extremely expensive. It like like I think kids really liked them, but also adults, like, it's like a thing, it's a trend right now to have trinkets on your purse. Oh. And so, uh when like or hanging like your keys and your backpack, anything. And laboo-boos are like a thing that started off as that, where it has this creepy face that has big eyes, and some artist made it.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:26

It's a wild story. That artist like did a lot of other things before that one happened. Yeah, and now they are they have a fucking store in the mall and shit. Or is it like porcelain? Like, what's it made of? It's I think there's like a flushy rubbery guy. It's like rubbery vinyl with like fur over top of it.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:41

I've never actually like held or touched a non-knockoff.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:44

Yeah, really. I mean, same, same. But uh, I did go to the store in the mall recently and they have laboo-buized all kinds of other things in the anime and movie worlds, so like they blew it up. They are getting as much money as possible until this fad implodes.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:58

Yeah. I think like when the the one opened up, uh the boo boo store opened up in the mall, and like I had a couple friends who went and waited in line to and I was like, uh nope, not me. That's okay, sure. They're all like 23. Yeah, see, are we sure we don't want to judge people?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:12

Are we we sure that we want to take judgment of people off the table? I know we've talked a lot in that direction, but maybe we should reserve a little. Hold a little judgment.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:19

The thing is, I will not judge a 16-year-old for doing something potentially embarrassing. But I will judge the hell out of a 32-year-old waiting in line at the little boo boo store.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:29

Yes, I gotta say, um, I'm a bit of a line connoisseur. We live in Portland. There are a lot of good lines in the city. Sure. Uh I gotta say, La Boo Boo opening line is probably fucking choice. Yeah. In the line world, the people that are in that line, the the chatter and the excitement, that's good. You look you're looking for a little buzz in your line.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:48

That's what makes a good line. I also do love people that like love things. Not like things, like the abstract. Like if I love people that are really into something and committed to the bit, and like if laboo-boo makes you happy, I know I'm saying I judge you for being in line, but I actually don't because like two things can be true. Two things can be true here.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:05

One of my favorite lines of all time was the night that weed was legalized in Oregon. That line at the weed store with Nate, fucking killer line. It was very funny. I was making a lot of jokes about how this was all like a federal setup and we were all going to jail as soon as we went inside. It was great. I loved it. And then it ended with us getting weed. It was great.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:23

You know, is it the degenerates that people are expecting would be in that line, or was it a uh no, it was a lot of dads.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:29

Older folks. That that's actually what I was doing. We were also on foster. I would have predicted a sea of dads. What is this like foster in like 2014 or something?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:37

Yeah, because the degenerates were already buying it illegally. It's all the people that were like, I can finally do it and feel comfortable.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:44

That's what it was. It was a lot of older folks that were just like, all right, finally. It was at midnight. Yeah. It was also at midnight on like a Tuesday or something. Oh god. Selling legally something.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:54

Wow. That was your phantom menace.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:56

We were like, they're gonna bring us free stuff, and they did walk around and handed us the tiniest glass pipe I've ever seen in my life. Smaller than a lighter. And uh a lighter. And then, you know. And it was anticlimactic because it was the beginning of free weed, so everything was really expensive and like not that great, and it was just a thing, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:15

What a time to be alive though, and when you're in that line making history.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:19

Yeah. We got good lines in this town.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:23

Well, um, I we were joking about playing that Rorschach game earlier, but I I was hoping we could maybe play a little tiny bit of a different kind of game. Since you're like hardcore connoisseurs and we've talked a lot about hardcore things, I was hoping we could name some other categories and you would help identify the most hardcore thing in that category.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:40

Oh, okay, cool. I don't have to.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:42

So let's start with a little softball. Like, what's the most hardcore bird?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:46

Oh. Seagull.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:48

Oh shit, how come? Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:50

Uh, loud, takes no shit from anybody, we'll steal your fucking hot dog. Out of your hand. Uh, out of your hand, out of your mouth. Doesn't discriminate between hitting a child. And an adult, which is very hardcore of everybody. Like, we'll just steal that hot dog from anybody. Doesn't care about being a little dirty. Yeah, doesn't care about being a little dirty, but also still pretty and white. Like can clean up like both sides of the coin. Absolutely. You got those feathers. And also sometimes you see it in places it really doesn't belong, like inland, where you're like, where is that single sequel? Why is he here? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:20

Like when you see a hardcore guy at the bank.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:22

Yeah, and you're like, okay, old dude in a mad ball shirt. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:26

I guess you've got a car payment too. Uh unassalable case. I mean, I was thinking of maybe a pigeon, but that's the same same family of bird, I think, is a sequel. Andy, you have any anything to add to that?

SPEAKER_03 1:06:38

Oh, in a bird world, I would say the most hardcore bird? Uh around here, I would go with the Osprey because they set up their nests in the same habitat as bald eagles, and they do not give a fuck. They will fuck up a bald eagle, and they are half the size of that bird. It's pretty cool. I've seen it in person a few times. Mid-air like bird fights out at uh Frenchman's bar. They both have nests like within like a half mile of each other, and yeah, ospreys are pretty hardcore.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:06

Jeff, this is your chance to weigh on any birdspring to mind as particularly hardcore.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:10

I just keep imagining uh this woodpecker that was at my neighbor's house that continuously kept uh hitting its beak against uh a metal part of the chimney. Oh, so it sounded like somebody was taking like a metal fucking pang. Yeah, just going for it, just getting as many traumatic brain injuries as possible. We've all been there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:33

He believed in the cause, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:34

Yeah, and just kept doing it. Incredible.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:37

Okay, what do y'all think is the most hardcore candy?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:42

Mmm. Somebody else go first. My cleverness got used up with the seagull.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:48

You mean you nailed it with that one. I feel really proud of it. Yeah with Seagull.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:54

With my current favorite candy in the world is the most hardcore candy. Nerd gummy clusters. I was thinking nerds. Especially the new ones with the gooey center. Oh, they will fucking destroy your mouth. They tear up my mouth.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:08

Things that attack your mouth like that. Even like anything sticky but with that crunch, definitely. Yeah, that's a gross. I love them. I also consider the other side of the spectrum like a Werther's original. This is a weird ass hard candy that can go through anything. You know, you can run that thing through the washer and the dryer and you can still eat that, you know?

SPEAKER_02 1:08:25

It's like what I always hoped the restaurant would have at the end of the meal. The check comes out, Werther's is like, oh, we gotta come back here.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:33

What was your least favorite like candy at the end? I hated the cinnamon.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:36

I mean mint, like the uh just peppermints. When I was a kid, I hated that peppermint.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:41

I really didn't like the the red and white peppermints. You know what though? The one that I did like when they would have those meltaway dinner mint things that were like kind of like chalk.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:51

Oh, I did not like those.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:52

Oh man, I love those. Those were like I always want to eat chalk, and those were like the equivalent of eating chalk in like a good way. This is where we're not on the same page. I hate to say this over chalk, but yum, yum, yum.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:04

Um I have an answer for this one. I think it is candy cigarettes because they want to be hard, but they're not. Yeah. That you can like you can like look like feel like you're cool eating one as a kid, but like still go home to your suburban home. Yes. Um, and like they're based off of a lot of different things. Yeah, candy cigarettes. That's a really good answer.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:23

I used to like it. You should write a book about this game. Right? I feel I feel like candy cigarettes are actually trash too. The worst candy tastes terrible. It's just like sweetened chalk. Chalk. It's chalk too. Yeah, they're all chalk. Old candy was just chalk pretty much. Either chalk or like black liquorish. That's also the other hard most hardcore candy, is black liquorish anything.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:43

I think also this is not quite candy, but did y'all ever fuck with uh either big league chew or the bubble tape? Yes. Oh, yeah. Oh yeah, bubble tape. And bubble tape was like this coiled snake, uh, six feet six feet above the gun. Six feet of gum for you. Not them.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:58

They really wanted you to eat the whole thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:59

It was part of the counterculture. It was literally hardcore because they were advertising it to, you know, the in-group. Um I would take it out of the little package and just like bind like an app wad of gum in my mouth.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:13

I thought they meant eat the whole thing in one go. Yeah. Chop down on that fucker.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:19

No, it's all for you.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:20

I hurt my jaw so bad chewing that big wad of gum. Man. Also, the same thing with the big league chew. I did try and eat an entire package in one go one time, and that is not good for your mouth. So that's too much gum.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:32

Okay, last one. Um, what do you think is the most hardcore department store? Throw in your Walmarts and Targets, that kind of category of store. Some place you might buy clothes. But not a not a boutique.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:47

I would say fucking Kohl's. Because nobody wants to admit they're going there, but fucking shit is cheap as hell, dude. They got deals.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:55

And there's a lot of carhart in there too, still. They do, right? Like you can buy Dickies and Carhartt and Kohl's, it's unexpected, but it's there.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:01

And like a nice, like, it's not a flannel, but it's like a flannel printed, like thin t-shirt style flannel.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:07

Also, never buy anything full price there. Like the like, I'm pretty sure. It's never been marked at full price. Yeah, it's never been marked at full price. And if you've ever bought anything from Kohl's at full price, you got suckered. Yeah, you absolutely did.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:18

There also used to be two or three marks through that original price.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:21

There used to be a line of clothes by the musician Mark Anthony that Kohl's would carry too. Surprisingly, um, you know, respectable collection of flannels and whatnot. I spent a lot of nothing I would associate with.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:36

My mom was a bargain hunter, so when she went to a Kohl's, she had some work to do. She had some shit to check out. So I spent a lot of time in their like toy section, just sitting unattended with no adults, looking at every single thing in there. I would go through and I would try on shoes with no intention of buying any just to try on fancy Nikes and stuff. I was like, I'm gonna be in the store for three hours. What do you guys got? Show me it all.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:00

That was another thing about being young too, is like time we were probably only in there for like 30 minutes, but it felt like your entire day was inside a store.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:07

It was legit, no lie. Three hours at a Target or a Coles or anything with my mom. We would go to every end camp in the store.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:15

My mom was the same. TJ Maxx, my nightmare. All day long.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:18

Gabriel Brothers. It was good when we were in the grocery store. Value City was like a goodwill kind of place. I would go to the magazine section at the grocery store, and I would sit and just read everything. It was pretty cool. So I go to the library. Do kids just like drift off in public places. I don't think you're supposed to anymore. I don't think you were supposed to then, but I was also like a very big child. Nobody nobody's taking the big husky boy who's sitting reading comic books at the wall at DW. You weren't you weren't slated for abduction. No. No, I mean I looked at that shit. I had a fucking freaky child molester priest at my church, and he had no interest in me. That's honestly really sad and awful, but it was true. He was the cool motorcycle priest with the long flowy hair, and he was on the run from that shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:05

For that to be the the cherry on this segment, uh really really makes it go down better. Sorry, I don't know why we went to the show. I think we had a we had a really good run with that game, and we just couldn't quite nail the dismount. Sorry. But I know what will pull us out of that is uh I know y'all brought at least one more song to play. Um tell us a little bit about this one. It's from a uh a friend band.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:26

Yeah, it's from this band uh called Spy. Uh the song I think is uh Bootlicker. Um it's off like their first recording, which um Spy. We've had sort of a a parallel thing to them for a while. We both started on the same sort of record label to live a lie. Um they impressed our earliest things, and now we're going to be touring with them this fall in in the UK with them in a band called Spaced. Um it's our first tour that we've uh support slot tour. Our first support slot tour. So it's really uh exciting for us to be doing that, doing that in the UK and with these bands that we're really into.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:10

Yeah, Spy is also like fast hardcore, which is gaining in popularity again, but like has never been the cool kid in hardcore. So it's cool to like see them doing their thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:21

Is it like in a thrashier direction, that kind of stuff?

SPEAKER_00 1:14:24

Yeah, like the thrashier, faster stuff, less of like the chug chug stuff. Yeah. Um, and like we walk that line and we play a lot of that too, so it's it's nice to get to like, you know, play with those bands because we do the same thing. We like the same thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:36

That's awesome. That sounds like a great tour. Jealous of you Brits out there. Let's give it a spin. Have you guys ever had a leather jacket? Speaking of motorcycles.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:30

Yeah, many.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:31

You've had some? I grew up within a motorcycle family. Do you think it's cool? Is it cool? I obviously like I that was one thing I always thought was like the coolest thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:39

I thought they were cool, but what my parents thought, my parents always bought me leather jackets from like thrift stores and stuff and would give them to me. And I always wanted like a cool, baggy, like notorious BIG style leather jacket. And they wanted me to have like a cool like 60s mod cafe racer style one that was like four. Those were like bubble shoulders. They're cool as fuck now, but like as a kid I was like, man, I want to look like a cool rapper, not like a guy from like a spy movie. They were just trying to dapper you up for those abductors out there. I know, they're trying to give me some fucking some riz, you know, trying to riz up Mr.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:17

Man. Um well before we uh close, we always like to talk a little bit about like to take kind of take the kind of take the the restraints that come with uh crit the creative world off and ask uh if like money and resources were no object at all, and you could have any kind of merch that you the dry socket merch that you wanted. It can be anything. There's no there's no parameters to this, there's no risk no constraints. If all the those are taken away, what would be the kind of merch that would be like the dream dry socket merch?

SPEAKER_00 1:17:52

Man, thinking big is hard because I feel like uh this is a conversation we have had, but it's all in the context of cheap stuff of being like like dry socket toothpaste, dry socket dentures, like but like uh I I really want to at some point make dry socket carabiners. That sounds good.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:07

Uh but if like money was like, I mean like like like mountain mountaineering gear, like the real uh keys. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:15

Um what would be your money as no object? Like a pedal? Probably for you.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:19

Uh pedo pedal would be pretty cool.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:21

And a mold pedal, like a big muff or something that gets used forever.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:25

Yeah, she got she got me one for this band called End. And it's like an HM2, like modded out. Sick.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:33

What did like the music words? Because like one of my favorite things about talking about tone is like just the made-up words that we use to it's called buzz saw tone for that one.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:41

Buzz saw tone, okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:42

There it is.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:43

Yeah, I love looking at pedals and the weird words on them that you're just like that doesn't mean anything except for on this pedal.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:50

I used to really like one thing I would judge or make fun of people for was like you'd see the guitar player that would like reach down to the pedal board and like give it this like invisible twist of the knob. And uh then I realized that's a real thing. Like you're just trying to find that edge, you know, you're trying to go right to the brink. But I used to think that was like the stupidest little guitar player move was to that little fake turn to the knob.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:12

That's what people think as I go between every single song, too.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:15

You're you're down, you're down, you're down on your knees between songs.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:19

I fall under constantly fiddling.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:22

Constantly.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:23

I got a new one for us. Is it because garbage merge idea? What's that? It's lunch meat. Hot garbage lunch meat, but it's hot dogs. But they're cut up into thin slices, and you can eat them like a sandwich. I was thinking something that could be iridescent, you know, like that little that meat shine that sometimes like the Mickey Mouse cartoon back in the day, like the the Jack the Giant Killer or Mickey and the Beanstalk or whatever, where they cut the bean in into like slices for all of them, and it's so thin you can like see the knife through it. Do you remember that?

SPEAKER_01 1:19:53

So what is this like like a pastrami, uh salon? Hot dogs.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:56

Oh, hot dog, you said it's actually um bar S. Like the ones without.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:01

So basically, if it's sliced hot dogs, they're baloney. Baloney's what it is, like a real thin slice baloney.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:05

Yeah, but we're gonna call it hot dogs. Because they're like nobody's gonna know, and I think it's gonna sweep the nation.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:12

And tuna dogs.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:13

And tuna dogs, that's next.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:15

What I would think would be a good dry socket piece of merch, I mean, just throw this in the hat for consideration, is you know the Missy Elliott video, super duplifly, where she's in that puffed up suit. That would be a really cool like if you all had puffed up Missy Elliott dry socket suits.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:32

You're thinking big, I like it.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:34

No, I would love that would be amazing.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:36

I like branded palm trees for everyone at the next beach party.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:41

I mean, I I feel like you I always just want to make silly stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:46

Like we uh are unlike my very serious idea about Missy Elliott suits, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:51

I guess realistic silly stuff. Okay, realistically. Sorry, that was sassy. But uh like one year for I made uh you know little teeth that you wind up and walk. Yeah, like we made those for dry socket, I've done sunglasses, uh I like doing like freebies for our special shows to get people in the door for like the openers. So I basically just like smoke weed and then be like, what can I find on the internet? And then I find things that are too expensive. Like I had a dream to make dry socket branded mace, and that was out of my price. That's a great idea.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:19

It's like one of those stun guns that's like um like brass knuckles where you have electric knuckles. Yeah. Oh, that'd be sweet. It's they had that at the place I got the uh out the front knife today. Electric brass knuckles. Yeah, I I was just about to make a joke about that, but you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:33

It's real, dude. It looked cool. I know it's real.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:35

There are a lot of them that look very flashlights, but they will electrocute you. I like that too. Or it looks like something else. Cool.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:42

Well, you're already thinking you're thinking pretty big, I think, as far maybe bigger than most most bands, I think. Most bands are struggle with this question. You're already thinking about cool. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:51

I want to make dry socket papers. I think every band needs to make rolling papers because I think it would be cool to have branded rolling papers from different bands. Because I smoke a lot of joints, and that would be sweet. Doesn't have to say anything on the paper, just the packaging. You know? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:05

I think we have too many younger people that like. I know.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:08

You're promoting smoking. No, I'm just promoting the guys promoting smoking. Yeah, there's no guys around it.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:16

Uh we were we got suggested because like Casey, our basis, was like, these kids keep stealing my picks, and somebody was like, Why don't you just make dry socket picks so then you have like ones to hand out, that's what bands do, and so they don't steal your stuff. Uh so like picks.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:30

I've never had the problem of somebody stealing my picks.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:32

Yeah, Casey's getting taken, I don't know, she complains about it.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:36

But I feel like I've been handed people's branded picks though. I don't yeah. I'm like, please don't. What am I supposed to do with this?

SPEAKER_00 1:22:44

Use it. You play guitar.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:47

Not my gauge.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:49

Yep. It goes right in the trash. Right in the trash.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:51

I hate to see it happening, but or it goes into a urinal.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:00

With a bunch of spent Zen packages. Also hockey jerseys. If I had them, oh hockey jersey would be amazing. Yeah, they're just too expensive to make I'm afraid no one would buy them.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:10

Yeah, real ass hockey jerseys are like four hundred dollars. Yeah. It's shocking to me. Whenever I see someone, I didn't know that until I went to a winter hawks game a couple years ago. We talked about it on the show, but I was like, man, if I ever see somebody out in the world in a hockey jersey, I know that they are fucking balling out and I nobody else knows it. It's crazy. Even like a basketball jersey, like an authentic one, is like 150 bucks, 200 bucks. Hockey jerseys? There's just a lot more fabric going on there. That's cool.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:38

Do you have any sabers here? Any rock?

SPEAKER_02 1:23:40

Do I have any sabers? Oh, just a mild amount.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:45

My my uh most ridiculous purchase uh was the uh the charity pride jersey.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:53

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:53

For the sabres.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:55

We we get intoxicated and buy different things. I order dry socket sunglasses and he gets charity pride Buffalo Sabres jerseys.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:03

How much did you bid to or like how much was it for this charity?

SPEAKER_02 1:24:07

It it was the minimum bid. I'm like, it's it's like it's the guy on the roster that like sometimes plays, sometimes is completely healthy and doesn't get played. It's first bid, I'm like, yeah, 300, whatever. Like it's like the minimum. That's the floor. That's the floor. I'm like, this will this will disappear. This is like it'll be like I didn't do this.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:29

You were betting on the protection of other higher bids, I see. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:33

Um, and I I was wrong. So that's now Jacob Bryson Pride Buffalo jerseys sitting in my closet.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:43

Once you get over this thing and that 300 bucks, you've got a priceless garment.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:46

Also, it was a donation, technically.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:48

It was a donation, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:49

So you did a good job. I was doing something. What's um uh what's happened in the near future? What can we look forward to from Giosocket in the coming year? You mentioned the tour, anything else on the docket?

SPEAKER_00 1:25:01

So uh we are we are a busy bunch. Um we'll be in Europe coming up, and then the LP comes out March 27th. Question mark. That sounds like a date. I think that's the date it comes out. Um so the LP comes out March 27th. Uh we have a Portland show uh April 25th. It hasn't been announced yet, but it will be announced sometime soon, and that will be the record release. It'll be at the offbeat. Oh, great. Uh, which is the new All Ages venue in town. It's gonna be a benefit for Friends of Noise. So uh it should be a really fun one, and hopefully we'll raise a bunch of money for them. And then we have kind of like a West Coast Texas run that we're doing, and uh things just keep jugging on from there. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:44

It's a busy first half of the year. That's a lot going on. What's the best way for people to keep up with you, follow what's going on, and participate?

SPEAKER_00 1:25:51

Um, if you're on Instagram, DrySocket PDX is us. If not, we do have a band camp, same thing. Um, and we do update things. So they're all it's all there.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:02

Oh, and while we have you guys here, we have come to the part of the uh show. If you have anything you want to say to ICE or Trump or the internet or capitalism as a whole, this is where you can say it.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:12

So after you ask us about our ideal merch, we get to talk about how much capitalism sucks.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:17

So fuck ICE, fuck Trump, and uh fuck all of those bullshit assholes who are in charge of everything right now.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:24

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:25

Top down.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:25

And I still want a pair of drive socket sunglasses.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:28

Yeah, keep your hands off our fucking merch, you assholes. Yeah. It's your own shitty shit. Um yeah, agree to all that.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:37

Uh well, Danny and Jeff, thank you so much for hanging out with us and you know, rolling with these punches and playing some cool music. We really appreciate y'all being here. Thanks for having us.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:46

We uh Portland it's nice to be a part of the Portland music scene because I think a lot of hardcore gets insulated within itself. So it's cool that y'all invited us and we appreciate it. Oh, of course.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:59

Yeah, we're honored to have you and uh hope people go out and dig into the scene after hearing you guys. I think it would be an inspiration. So um we want to thank all of our listeners out there. Appreciate you tuning in. Hope you like the show, hope you listen next week, or maybe the week after. You can follow us on Instagram at hurtgurbish, spelled just like it sounds. You can reach out to me, Andy and I, uh, via email at Hog Garbage Podcast. If you like Andy's selection in music, he hosts a weekly internet radio show on Shady Pines Radio called Hesh Air with Mr. Tomorrow every Friday at 6 p.m. So tune in if you dare.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:37

You should. If you like this, you're gonna like that too. Or maybe you won't, and then you'll know at least for once. Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:44

And that will sort of like rekindle your passion for this show.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:47

Yeah, maybe it will push deeper into your love of this show. Yeah, who knows? Uh you can have two things then. We can do both. Yeah, what are we going out on? Uh this is a great, great song from a great friend of the show.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:40

This is again from the day. All right, well, for Danny and Jeff of Drive Talk. For Nate, for Andy, this is Drew. We will see you next week on Hot Garbage.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:13

I can't listen. I can't take the store. When the beer breaks all It's not a glow when that's no, that's just a star.

unknown 1:31:06

And what exactly is the way?