Dutch Bros Rock with UTILITY

Portland duo Utility wring every drop of bombast, power, melody, and even delicacy that it's possible to squeeze from a bass and drums. On the occasion of the vinyl release of their recent album "How to Protect What's Left" and upcoming Midwest tour, Utility drummer and musician lifer Adam Draper joins the show this week. The fellas chat about growing and changing as a person in-and-out of phase with growth as a musician, the cyclical import of heavy music, the challenge of rocking the socks off one's own mother, and the hidden apartment inside the home of YOUR Portland Trailblazers. Plus, some raaaaaaaad tunes!

Music this week:

• "Your Pain is an Ocean" by Utility (18:20)
• "Side FX" by Dykeritz (37:46)
• "Shiny Things" by Utility (58:20)
• "846" by Quando Quando Quando (80:20)
• "Final Piss" by Bobby Shock (96:45)

Transcript

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You're listening to Hot Garbage.

SPEAKER_04 0:10

Hello and welcome to another episode of the Hot Garbage Podcast, Portland, Oregon's premiere music discovery and interview show. My name is Drew. I am one of your co-hosts. I am joined by my dear friend and co-host Andy. What's good, Andy?

SPEAKER_03 0:25

I'm doing great. Yeah, we're back at it.

SPEAKER_04 0:28

On top of the world.

SPEAKER_03 0:30

Yeah.

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Our silent partner, Nate, is with us. He is producing, making the sound happen, as he does each and every week. For that we are grateful. And you know how when you are like when you sometimes you bite your lip, you end up biting it in the same place like three times.

SPEAKER_03 0:43

Oh, and almost like it feels like your mouth is like trying to fuck it up more.

SPEAKER_04 0:47

I am on this like nightmare cycle over the last five days where it was one part of my lip, and then to avoid it, I moved to the other side and got another like repeat customer on the right side. And then last night I took a fucking chunk out of my tongue. And I was in the unenviable position of like where there's like flesh hanging from this tip of your tongue, and you have to like try to bite more of the tongue off to like clean it all up.

SPEAKER_03 1:11

Oh my god, that's that's nightmare if you will. It really is. I kind of have another nightmare going on in my mouth where one of my teeth shattered a while ago on like a piece of white bread. Not even like hard bread. And I was just like one of our softer breads. Good try, teeth. I'm fine. And it was I've just been kind of getting by on this like three-quarters of a molar back there. I got I got a similar situation. Now it hurts like a motherfucker. I've been writing this out thinking it would just be fine. It's not fine. It turns out when your teeth break, your teeth would outlive you, but they they didn't. I thought it would get better. It was like, well, best case scenario, I just round that pointy piece off and then I have like most of a tooth there.

SPEAKER_04 1:53

But oh, you just thought like natural usage would I'll get you, I'll get through this.

SPEAKER_03 1:59

But it turns out uh I should go to a dentist. I gotta go to a dentist too.

SPEAKER_04 2:04

I don't like to be I take care of my teeth. I do the things that I'm supposed to do for my teeth. And I just want the guy to be like, you're doing great. You're doing the best you can, you know? I'm on your side, pal.

SPEAKER_03 2:14

I get the opposite. When I go in, I'm like, I've been brushing my teeth real hard. And they're like, yeah, too hard. Like you need to.

SPEAKER_04 2:21

No, they never tell me that I'm I'm ahead of the game. They don't they're they're not on my side. They're like an enemy.

SPEAKER_03 2:27

It turns out that I've been doing it wrong the whole time. I've been brushing my teeth aggressively hard, thinking I was getting all the stuff off, but I'm really just taking like most of the good parts of my teeth.

SPEAKER_04 2:38

Yeah, now a gentle br smiling into a gentle breeze is like torture.

SPEAKER_03 2:41

It's pain. I can feel every temperature change all the time. It sucks.

SPEAKER_04 2:45

Well, you're gonna about to feel something real hot, Andy, because we have uh a scorcher for an episode this week. We had from the heavy duo utility, we had drummer Adam joining us this week. Utility put out a an album digitally at the end of 2025, and they have very recently released the vinyl of it. They're gonna be hit in the Midwest in support of that on a couple week tour very shortly. And Adam was a delight. We talked a lot about how he has incorporated music into a sometimes stressful existence and what it has meant to be a part of the a project like Utility, played some killer tunes off of the record, and uh played a world podcast premiere from a friend band. So stick around to hear something you can't hear anywhere else, including an incredible conversation with Adam from Utility. Check out the them on Instagram and on Bandcamp, go buy that record. It's really good. You're gonna love the music we play, and you're gonna love our conversation with Adam on this week's episode of Hot Garbage.

SPEAKER_05 4:00

What's the band that utilizes electronics that um uh battles? I think is a really good example. Yeah, super. And they're a two-piece now. Oh, they are? Yeah. There's just two guys now. Started as three, and now is it still the drummer? Yeah, uh uh uh John Stanier, uh, who's also in Tomahawk, Tomahawks.

SPEAKER_03 4:19

Oh, he's in Tomahawk and Melvin's formerly in Helmet.

SPEAKER_05 4:22

And I don't really I don't really know Tomahawk all that well, but I just was thinking like, okay, I'm almost 50. Those guys are probably in their maybe late 50s. Yeah. Like, when am I gonna get a chance to go see Tomahawk? He's talking about how they're playing Pioneer Courthouse Square this summer.

SPEAKER_03 4:38

Yeah, shout out to Live Nation or whatever PDX, whatever it's called. I don't think it's Live Nation. It's PDX Live. Yeah, we love PDX Nation around here. PDX Live is what it's called. Shout out to them for like really booking a fucking great summer. They have Yab and Acid Bath playing that's amazing. Like nobody lets those heavy bands play outdoor, like city funded things.

SPEAKER_05 4:59

Yeah, there's definitely a there's a uh a meteoric shift, I think, happening just with I definitely noticed just uh in the music scene in Portland, but I think just in general, there's there's a lot of that uh more accepting. I think I just kind of feel like rock is getting its kind of like spotlight again. You know, heavier music. Like people like, you know. There's a lot of like cross-pollination going on, I think, with music right now.

SPEAKER_04 5:27

Well, I wonder if it's like, you know, there is a generation of teenagers that are now becoming maybe 1920. Right. And they found Nirvana. Right. And so maybe when you find Nirvana, you start down the same path that all of us started down when we found Nirvana, which was to get heavier and heavier and heavier over time. Right. So maybe what we're seeing now in our city is a a generation that is like switched from their grunge rediscovery to their stoner or doom or tony rediscovery.

SPEAKER_03 5:54

I have happens when you listen to Mumford and Sons and the Lumineers for a couple years. You just want to like rock out for a little bit.

SPEAKER_05 6:00

Yeah, exactly. It's like you don't want to like go take a nap at a show and just be like, you know, bored to death. I I I've noticed that like I've I've been going to shows and just checking out bands that I've heard of, or just you know, just more just out of curiosity, and I'm like looking around, I'm like, whoa, grunge is back. Like all these kids are dressed like I did in the 90s. And I've even noticed like shows we played where it's like, oh, this is really cool. There's some there's younger, there's young, there's young people here. Yeah, you know, it's not like trying to get my my fifty 52-year-old friend who's got kids who never goes out to like can you come with a show, man? You know, it's like you just you just kind of keep doing it because you love doing it, not not like we need to get more people at the shows, and just like I don't give a fuck about that. I mean, it's that's that's kind of like a you know, that's a I guess an incentive, but you know.

SPEAKER_03 6:49

Yeah, I DJed a bar mitza this weekend and the Bar Mitzvah's kid kid was wearing a Nirvana shirt, and he his big playlist was like Pink Floyd stuff off of metal. He wanted me to play dogs. He really wanted a lot of Nirvana and a lot of radiohead. And I was like, damn, kid. Yeah, these are consciousness.

SPEAKER_05 7:08

These are like I mean, radio has a classic rock band now, if you think about it. Like they've been around for 30 years, probably. You know, like they've been doing. I think more, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 7:19

Probably like 91 or something like that.

SPEAKER_05 7:21

91 years. Yeah. I mean, Rage Against the Machine is classic rock. Yeah. I know. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_04 7:28

All of that stuff is much further in the past than the classic rock of the late 80s was to its origins. It's much more classic than any uh like of the traditional classic rock radio songs. Right.

SPEAKER_03 7:38

But of those bands, I think the one that fits the classic rock vibe the most is probably Pearl Jam. Audio slow, yeah. Fucking Pearl Jam. I didn't really ever really fall in love with Pearl Jam like a lot of people did, but it feels like it's classic rock radio music now. Like it just is it found its home. It's it's doing it, and fucking Yarlin, and that's cool. Yeah, the Yarl the Yarlin.

SPEAKER_05 8:00

I the way Mike McCready plays guitar, it it was is definitely I mean he's he's been I've heard in interviews, he's he's d like directly influenced by Jimi Hendrix. I mean you can tell he's just like that he's using the wa pedal and the kind of solos that he does, but yeah, I mean it's like it's it's it's like sometimes like sounds like roots rock, you know. Yeah, it does. But it is clear, I mean it's just like it's not quite Z Z Top, it's not quite Aerosmith, but you know, it could it could be a little still a little Rolling Stones in there, a little Jimi Hendrix.

SPEAKER_03 8:32

Yeah, we talk about this a lot on the show. What do you guys think? This came up a couple episodes back. Who do you think the current greatest touring American rock band is? Who is our like superstar stadium rock band?

SPEAKER_05 8:45

It's not the Foo Fighters.

SPEAKER_03 8:46

Yeah, I know. That's kind of what I was thinking. It's kind of the Foo Fighters?

SPEAKER_05 8:51

It can't be them. I think there's a band out there that we are just not tuned into, like we're not aware of. I think I think that I mean that's my answer. Foo Fighters, I think, is probably one of the biggest rock bands in the world right now. Sure. You know, but And Green Day?

SPEAKER_03 9:08

That's the other answer.

SPEAKER_05 9:09

Green Day are kind of like as big as Taylor Swift though, but I don't think they tour very much right now. Not really. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 9:19

And they still sound really good and they have a deep catalogue that people like.

SPEAKER_03 9:24

And they're getting older and they kind of uh only put out bad albums now, but they have a whole like catalogue to go back on to play live.

SPEAKER_05 9:33

They don't I mean, you it just gets to a point where you don't have to try. It's kind of like, you know, like uh I noticed that uh um Foreigner was on tour and they have a new singer because it's like you can't go through life trying to sing songs like that. Ah, it's just not sustainable. So like you get a younger person who's eager and wants to do it, and you know, it's like you're not going to these shows to hear the new Foreigner record, and you just want to hear you want to hear all the hits. You want to hear the hits. That's all you give a shirt. That's why you paid. That's why you're buying the drinks. Like that's why you bought the shirt, you know.

SPEAKER_04 10:05

I almost think of those experiences as I mean, it's music, so it's inarguably a musical experience, but it almost is a different kind of experience than someone who's really passionate about music discovery or like a new band they've heard. It is really just sort of a like a comfort food, which is a little bit different than that's a good way to explain it.

SPEAKER_05 10:25

It's good, it's almost like like, you know, like I just need me some Dutch brothers rock. You know, I just need me some Starbucks rock.

SPEAKER_04 10:32

You know, it's like through this long Dutch brothers live.

SPEAKER_05 10:34

Yeah, like I don't wanna go, I don't want to go to the club. I was talking I was talking to my wife about it, because I my my mom and my dad live in Minnesota, and my my mom is uh I've been playing music for fucking most of my life, so like I don't know, like 30 something years. And I've I I I've never like really sat down to figure out how many shows I've played and all the bands I've did, but it's like it's gotta be like like 800, maybe? Wow, maybe more. Like, I don't know. My mom has never seen me perform, not once. Amazing. She's never been to one of my shows. It is amazing. It's kind of amazing.

SPEAKER_04 11:06

Does she have some sort of specific objection to your I I think it's yeah, I think it's a it's a yeah, I think it's just that does she go see other music?

SPEAKER_03 11:14

Nah, no. Okay, well then she's okay, because that would be a direct insult to a lot of shows, but never yours.

SPEAKER_04 11:20

She's like, no, Adam never practiced enough. I'm not rewarding that shit.

SPEAKER_05 11:23

She was never fucking supportive of that shit, man. Like ever. She was just basically like, eh, yeah, whatever. So I'm going to we're gonna be going through Minneapolis, which is a little it's a little she lives in St. Paul. It's like it's not it's not super far, but it's not super close either. It's almost like like driving to say like Woodland, Washington, like you know, it's like kind of a drive, you know, it's like it's not so far there, but then you gotta do it all the way back, you know, and and at night. So I get that. So I always just you know talk to my wife about them. I'm like, maybe my mom will finally come out to one of these shows since when I'm and and she's just like, she's not she's old, she's not gonna go to a club. I'm like, yeah, I guess that's true, but it's gonna feel really good to be like, hey, on June 6th I'm gonna be in Minneapolis. This is where we're playing. If you can come out, that'd be great. Or maybe we can just like meet up and have lunch or get a cup of coffee, it'd be great to see you. But like I'm not gonna go like I don't I don't feel like I really need to go out of my way to like, can you please come to the show, you know? Because it's like it's just I don't know, at least like as you as you age, you're like, this is kind of all I really have.

SPEAKER_03 12:28

Well, I mean, this would be bad, but I kind of hope the venue situation gets fucked up and the show gets moved to your mom's backyard. And then she's forced to be at the show and then she discovers that she loves it and she becomes your biggest fan of tours with you all over the country.

SPEAKER_05 12:45

She would be very upset if that if that happened. She lives in one of those like old folks like apartment complexes and like it's it's the kind of thing where like in the winter she told me about like in the winter time she sees all these old ladies that have to go across the street by the bus stop to smoke cigarettes because you can't smoke cigarettes like within like 50 feet, you know. So they're out there in like 20 below weather, like smoking cigarettes. And so it's like that, it's that kind of neighborhood where there's like there's there's there's police patrols and security, and it's like it's it's very, very white there, if you know what I mean. It's very white. Sure. That kind of it's just you know, kind of a um kind of neighborhood where it's like, you know. It's not gritty.

SPEAKER_03 13:27

There's no grid to exactly the kind of neighborhood you guys could blow the doors off of. Yeah, actually they would probably all it would it would be kind of like when the course when somebody opens a coors light in a commercial and the silver bullet train rips through the down and everyone's stoked and instantly down to party. I kind of imagine.

SPEAKER_04 13:42

Or like there's a you know an older woman in a like a walker and she's shaking her cane at you for making noise, and then you you know rip into a cord and just knocks her back and her, you know, knocks her back and then it knocks her back. See her hose over kick over her head.

SPEAKER_05 13:54

Or it like knocks her back 50 years and she's younger and she starts rocking. Yeah, that would be awesome.

SPEAKER_03 13:59

Like a whole wave of rock. She's topless all of a sudden. Yeah. Yes. This is exactly what I was thinking, guys. This is that.

SPEAKER_04 14:08

Yeah, this is that Dutch Brothers rock I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_03 14:10

Dutch Bros Rock.

SPEAKER_05 14:11

But we haven't we haven't been on the road, like we've we've done some like like uh what I like to call like micro tours where you just play like two, three, four shows and yeah. But we haven't been on the road since like twenty eighteen. But Ryan and I uh we were in a band together.

SPEAKER_03 14:26

Things are different out there now.

SPEAKER_05 14:28

Yeah, I'm I'm a little I I I was I was talking about my my therapist about this today, where I was like, I really like have been disappointed so much. I think all of us have been disappointed, like consecutively, year after year, where it be gets to the point where you become acclimated to that disappointment where you kind of expect it to not really work out. Like, you know, like in 2020 where things were kind of starting to open up, you're like, uh, it's probably gonna shut down again, and then there'd be a new like strain and it would break down and then this one's called Buzzsaw COVID or something. And you remember when you had to like you had to like bring your fucking card to show that you're vaccinated, you know? So I I was thinking about like, and now that you know there's these musings of of of uh the the street of Hermaz, Hermos, where twenty percent of the world's oil comes through. And it was just like like how like a barrel of oil right now is forty dollars and it could shoot up to like 175, which is like gonna shoot gas prices up to like seven or eight dollars a gallon. Yeah, now's the time to mad max. Yeah, and so now I'm just kinda like I don't think this tour is gonna happen. If that happens, like we're not gonna be able to afford to drive to drive around again. So yeah, unless we just steal gas, you know. Yeah, I think we should start stealing gas.

SPEAKER_03 15:49

The other thing I saw though, because of all this happening, is the price of silver skyrocketed. It's up to uh almost$80 an ounce now.

SPEAKER_04 15:57

It's like your throwing star collection's finally gonna pay off.

SPEAKER_03 16:00

I'm gonna melt down all my silver and I'm gonna make a really cool sword out of it. It's gonna be valuable.

SPEAKER_05 16:05

That's why I'm saving all my pennies because they don't make them anymore. I'm gonna melt them down and trade them in.

SPEAKER_03 16:11

Can you imagine how much money that giant Batman penny is gonna be worth someday? Batman, already a rich asshole, now has the most expensive penny.

SPEAKER_04 16:21

Um Adam Utility put out uh a record recently, end of last year officially, but then a vinyl release uh quite recently. Yeah. You're gonna be touring in support of that, and tons of utility questions for you, but maybe we should play a tune to kick things off. Do you have a song that you'd like to start things off with?

SPEAKER_05 16:37

Yeah, I mean definitely uh kick things off with the uh the first first song of the album. It's called uh Your Pain is the Ocean. Um that was a song that uh Brian kind of brought when we were putting these songs together for this album, which was almost some of the songs are almost five years old. He kind of brought that one to me like uh pretty late. Not not late, but like it was kind of written and he was like he kind of showed it to me, and he he put drums on it and he was like, you know, do whatever you want, but this is what I was this is what I the the vibe I was going for. I was uh I was really surprised because it was in this drop tuning and it was just like the way it started, and he was like, I'm thinking that this should be the opener in the album. And I was like, Yeah, this is totally this should be the opener of the album because it just makes such a statement, you know.

SPEAKER_04 17:29

That's nice. It's nice that you can have something that comes and surprises you, right? Right as this this labour of love is getting to the finish.

SPEAKER_05 17:35

There's a lot of the there's but like a lot of the songs in this album that feel like that that were surprises because they're the first the first record we were just trying to like trying to find our identity, like what are we, what are we doing, where duo? Like are we like writing pop songs, are we writing like heavy drop D songs, are we writing kind of you know like just straight up rock and roll songs, or still trying to find our footing, and then a lot of things kind of uh you know disintegrated around 2019 and you know, in 2020, which was a fun year.

SPEAKER_04 18:11

Well, I'm glad there's a triumph to show for all that, uh for that effort. So let's uh let's give this one a spin. This is called Your Pain Is an Ocean.

SPEAKER_05 22:18

I think it's like that that that problem can like really weigh down that perfectionist mentality. Like it's gotta be like this, it's gotta be like compare it to other things. Yeah. You know, and it now it's like it sounds good. It's I'm happy with it, it's great, you know.

SPEAKER_04 22:31

So you've come to a place where you can be able to do something like that. I've come to a place something.

SPEAKER_05 22:35

Yeah, I uh I I I I just released another record from another um quote unquote band that um I did, but it was like a more of a recording project um with my friend Skyler, who uh is also a really old dear friend I uh that I played music with in the early aughts, and he's an engineer and he's been recording a lot of Portland bands, but he had uh he had surgery and in his recovery he wrote songs about it, but he didn't write this is a really interesting concept. I've never actually done anything like this, but he he he piecemealed these songs together so he had kind of what they sounded like in his head. So we all just he he he brought in all these musicians, he's like, I want this guy I want Adam on drums, I want Danny to play bass, I want Emily to play guitar, I want Jordan to play guitar, I'm gonna just be kind of the background guy, and then I'm gonna sing like this, and he like, you know, why don't like we were talking about hum earlier, and he was like, you know, I want to put a record out that sounds like hum that also sounds like Chavez. Like I want I want to put something out like that, and little reds like it's drop tunings, but you know, there's moments where it's like kind of chaotic and it's also beautiful and it's pretty and it's heavy. So I went in the studio and just like I have this, okay, here's the riff, and then you put the click on, and then I put the play, and he's like, Okay, cool, now go to the ride for the second part. And so we did that, we did that, we tracked uh two days, and we worked on the drums for a whole day before we started rolling because drums are just like you can't like if you don't get good drum tones, you can't f mixing is not gonna fix it, like no matter how hard you try. You gotta get really good, earnest, honest tones. And and he just put these songs together and he put a record together and it's great. And I had no expectations of that happening, so there's like this other kind of band and that band's called We're Sorry, and it's three guitarists, and it's kind of like this thing that people have been really responding to that I didn't think would ever see the light of day because it's so he's almost like a composer, really, was the way that it's Yeah, and he also he also has mentioned that he's got a whole whole uh like enough uh a whole batch of like new material for another album, and I'm just just like it's like it like we live in a world where it's where it's you know, we we expect a lot of content, but it's like you you don't really think you you know, just like it just feels good, it feels cathartic to just release music and have like even if it's a few people to go like, oh it's really great, I really love it. You know, even better if it's like somebody you've never even met before that you know that reaches across the internet from another state, you know, and is like, I really love this record, it's really good. So I you know, I I think that is a a thing that is gonna maybe happen down the road. But yeah, I'm really busy musically, and I didn't I think I just kind of started leaning. I was gonna start a business this year. The year is young, and the reason you can't I I I'm terrified too. I'm terrified of bankrupting my family, to be completely honest.

SPEAKER_04 25:47

Well, that's that's a responsible that's a responsible caution.

SPEAKER_05 25:50

And I you know, I I I I had a plan. Uh I don't want to spend too much time on this because I don't know how how long these things go, but uh we've got the time. Hours. Okay. Uh I my plan was uh I was gonna start a um I I've been working in kitchens my whole life. It's you know these two parallelives as a as a cook and a drummer, essentially. Um and in my early 20s is alcoholism in there. Sure.

SPEAKER_04 26:20

Like in like a sort of a sandwich of typical 20 sandwich.

SPEAKER_05 26:23

The sandwich of the dream. Yeah, the dream sandwich. Uh and you know, I I I had this idea, I was like, I had this concept, I was gonna start this food cart, and I was just gonna do I like a business plan, I had a strategy, and it was just like it was really stressing my wife out because she was like, well, where's this money gonna come from? And so I was trying to figure out a I had a business plan, I had the menu written out, I registered the business, I opened a bank account. Uh my wife did my wife's a designer, so she did a design. And so we started like really putting this together, and then you know I was spending I wasn't working and I was spending all of my time like basically costing everything out, just trying to find resources and and help and trying to find a partner. And it was like I I found that it was like kind of like really shaking up my marriage a little bit. Like it was like I'm like things feel weird, like what if I really f like what if this doesn't work, you know? And the the part of the other part of me was like, it's gonna work because it's gonna be fucking killer. But I was just like, that that kind of bravado I I feel is like that could sink me. Sure. You know, and I actually like had stopped going to therapy for a few years and actually went back into therapy to just try to work out these feelings and just, you know, try to see if I can really make this happen.

SPEAKER_04 27:45

Well, it's so interesting that you describe the way you're describing it because the what you're describing is sort of like a creative act. It requires focus, it requires creative elements, it requires thoughtfulness, it's a big piece of you emotionally that goes into it. There's a huge investment. But for whatever reason, it induces stress in our lives because there's the stakes are so much higher. Even though art does occupy a really important place in our lives. It's just interesting that we let that happen, you know. It do you find that as you've been going through that experience and being a father and having all the other responsibilities that you have, have you found that you've been able to create a creative space that still feels satisfying? Like how do you make sure you're getting what you need out of your creative life?

SPEAKER_05 28:31

That's a really good question. Um I I th I think I had this shift, I had this change of heart, and it kind of happened on accident because like one day one day, like, you know, because what we were gonna do is we were gonna we were gonna take a home equity loan, which is like very risky, and we were gonna try to like if the because it you know, the first year or two of doing a food cart, because that's what I was gonna do, I don't know if I mentioned that, is you know, I already told myself I was like, I'm not gonna pay myself, I'm just gonna work my fucking ass off and just pay off the interest from the bridge loan or the home equity loan, so I don't sync us. Right. But then my wife was getting like really emotionally invested, but she already has a job that kind of takes up a lot of her bandwidth, and she's a mother too, on top of it. So it was like I was kind of feeling this vice, and it was like I I I I f I it was like this self-induced pressure over it's like, do I really need this pressure? And then you know, my wife is really good, she's very pragmatic, and she's really good at like she's really like a million times better with the financial stuff. I I kind of feel like that's a very common thing now. I don't think it used to be like it was the other way around back then, but like my wife is really like, you know, maybe we should spend money on this and we should take care of this. And she came, she just approached me one day and she was like, I she's like, What do you think about this? What do you think about when Ruthie starts school, you can go get a job and just work a couple days a week and save up all that money and then use that as a con like a contingent fund for when you start. So if it's slow and you don't have enough business, you you've got money to kind of lean back on. And I was like, that's a great idea. And we uh while this was going on, we're trying to get this record started. I I I I did this thing where I I again with the bravado, it was uh I was uh what my plan was is I was gonna record the drums and the cymbals separately, and I had never done it before, but I was like I'm a thing that people do.

SPEAKER_04 30:34

That's a Dave Grohl ass thing to do too. I think it's a good thing.

SPEAKER_05 30:36

Yeah, but there there is uh I'm actually wearing their sweater, there's a band called Royal Blood. Yeah, yeah. So the uh their drummer does that. That's how they kind of get their it's a sound. You there's a bleed through on the drums.

SPEAKER_04 30:50

You can get that pure isolated tone crank it up if you need to.

SPEAKER_05 30:53

Yeah, I mean like Songs for the Death, Queens of the Stone Age, like perfect example, like the drums sound like that because the drums and the cymbals are s are separated, there's no bleed through. So I tried to do that, and I I I built a whole thing and built these like cymbal pads and like built these things I could put on the drums, and and it it I it it failed miserably. I tried it twice, two different sessions.

SPEAKER_04 31:16

And Ryan just sounds like a descent into madness, Adam.

SPEAKER_05 31:20

It really it it it got to the point where I was like, I think Ryan's just gonna like do it himself. Like I f I like you know, because but he was really cool about it. Yeah, and we eventually did track it, but this was um I I I'm kinda getting I d I don't want to get too far off topic, I want to get back to this b this business thing, and then my wife was like, work part-time and save up some money. So I started looking for a job, and I was like, Who the fuck is gonna hire me as a cook to work three days a week and not on the weekends? So I'm just like, this is impossible. Like so I became completely just like what the fuck, you know, and then after a while I just accepted the fact, I was like, I'm just gonna have to work on the weekend, it's just the way it is. So um I just was like, okay, here's the plan. Got an interview, uh uh applied to this place called I don't know if you guys know Tin Shed on Alberta. Oh, yeah, I've been working there since uh September. Um and I love it, it's great. And uh I work with uh a bunch of people that play music. My boss plays music, he's been playing music with the same people for like 20 years. Super cool guy. The managers, the owners are good, everybody I work with is good, the money's good, it's busy as fuck, which is in this economy that's a good thing. So I just found out he was like, Well, I don't need anybody on Saturday, so you can you can have Saturday off. So I was just working Sunday, Monday, Tuesday.

SPEAKER_04 32:49

That's cool.

SPEAKER_05 32:50

And then after a while, I just kind of I I like like this dream of doing this food cart business has started to dissolve because I'm just like I'm already where I need to be. Like, like yeah, is it a is it a is it glamorous work? I fucking absolutely not, but I'm still I'm still being like my earnest self. I'm still trying to be my real authentic self. Yeah. Because that's what matters, because it's like I'm not gonna go back to school to D and fucking finance or something like that. I'm gonna be miserable, you know? It's like if I can still work and I'm still making money and I'm still like you know accomplishing things and I mean like I'm happier than I've been in years because I'm just doing this thing that I've already been doing for most of my life. It's just I just think my mindset is completely different. I have a family and I have so much to come home to when I get out of work, you know?

SPEAKER_04 33:41

So I guess with coming to a place of balance is musical creativity I mean it sounds like you said like you've been doing this for thirty years. It's probably just a part of you. But does it does it feel does it still feel additive? Does it still feel like it's got it's part of that balance? Or does there any lingering sort of stress about making a record or going on tour? Like how do you manage to do that?

SPEAKER_05 34:07

I think I think the the the there's always a lingering stress. You know, like what there's always like what the fuck am I doing? Like I'm too old for this because our parents were just like, you know, let the dream die. You know, you gotta take their like 32, you gotta do this, and you gotta have a 401k and you you gotta have money for retirement. But it's like the world we live in right now, it's like I don't know if there's gonna be a fucking like world in 30 years. Like I don't know, like I have, you know, like people who have kids and I have kids, it's like I'm like that just keep I think about that all the time. I like like when I when I talk to her and I spend time with her and when I play with her, it's like she's inheriting like such a piece of shit planet, like that has been ruined by these these politicians that only care about what does she think about the war in Iran?

SPEAKER_04 35:06

She was She's got some hot takes.

SPEAKER_05 35:10

It's it's it's uh She was the one that told you about gas prices. Yeah, it's a weird it's a weird juxtaposition of like the the the world that that I've come up in and and and the world that she lives in because everything is so kind of perfect and rosy and beautiful. You know, nothing scary to her, like there might be a moment in a a movie that she sees that sh that's the most scared that she gets, you know.

SPEAKER_04 35:33

But I find that um I mean I don't have kids, so I don't have the I'm not bearing that sort of feeling of concern. It's just a concern for myself or people that I care about, so it's not as immediate as being a father, but I do realize inside me there's this limit to how much like uh how demoralized I can feel about the end of the world. I ha I mean I've reached a point where like I still sort of think something is gonna turn around. Like I think we're gonna make it, but that's only because I can't allow myself to imagine that it's gonna get much worse.

SPEAKER_05 36:05

I think what you're describing is hope, and I think it's the only thing we really have left.

SPEAKER_04 36:09

It is it is, but it's sort of blind hope. But it's uh I mean it's hope for hope for your daughter for Nathan Ace.

SPEAKER_05 36:15

You know, I think you know, when you look back at history and you look at all this terrible shit that's happening, you're like, you know, these these uh dictators and these horrible politicians, like you know, like nobody lives forever, so it's like it everything has a shelf life, and I feel like you know politics is just a pendulum swift, it's just like it's gonna shift right or it's gonna shift left, but it doesn't really matter because they're they're both like they're both in the same club.

SPEAKER_04 36:43

Bow shifty. You want to be alive when it's right in that middle. Yeah, maybe you want to be in that sweet spot like uh you know, white people in the 50s. Yeah. You know? That was their sweet spot. And we I guess we just we we just barely missed ours, you know?

SPEAKER_06 36:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 36:58

Uh Andy speaking of sweet spots, what have you been jamming to this week?

SPEAKER_03 37:04

Uh this is uh musician uh named Dijkritz. Uh Dijkritz is a New Jersey-born musician living in Portland who plays. Kind of reminds me of like Elliot Smith was really into ween and like uh also hip hop, like kind of girl talkie sometimes. It's all over the place. It really blends a lot of genres, which really hits a sweet.

SPEAKER_05 37:26

I know I know Dijkritz. I know I know Jordan, the primary songwriter. Yeah, he was technically uh on a record label that a band I was in was on. And then my roommate uh played keyboards in that band for a little while. Yeah. It was a small world, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:41

It's very the Portland music scene is very incestuous for sure. It's true. Well, uh, they put out an album uh back in January called Passion Play, and I'm gonna play you uh a song off of that called Side FX.

SPEAKER_08 41:13

Okay, you get it coming up.

SPEAKER_01 41:16

You can't buy shoes in a painting. You can't even buy a soda. You can only see these things. See a mother steer her son to the car, his head cocked, licking his ice cream. Earlier, driving, trying to get between two cornfields, I couldn't see myself into a map. Couldn't be anywhere in it, though I knew all the patient states between us. Pigeons sit high on a mills-peaked roof, spaced even as beads. They can stand that close to each other. But looking at them, you wouldn't know it, would you?

SPEAKER_00 42:07

Wanna hire Dijkritz for your next party, fashion show, or corporate event? Contact Dijkritz Management. The address is Dijkritz at Duck.com. Replies may take up to six weeks to occur.

SPEAKER_08 42:21

Boss, bossy, bossy, bossy, bossy, boss.

SPEAKER_04 42:24

That was a diverse jam, Andy.

SPEAKER_03 42:25

Yeah, it was all over the place. I really liked it. When did that album come up? Uh, January. Oh wow. This year. Oh, cool. Just came out. That's fresh. And the artwork for that album is Wokeface. Another local amazing artist and formal uh past guest of the show.

SPEAKER_04 42:42

Friend of the show. Cool. Glad they're still out there. Yeah. I just bumped my hand into a piece of woke face art on the wall, ironically. Like a talisman. I was drawn to it.

SPEAKER_03 42:53

It happens, you have to touch it.

SPEAKER_04 42:55

Um, Adam, you're talking about like the following up the first utility record. Talking about that as an experience where you learned a lot of what utility was going to be and what it's what it's supposed to sound like. Yeah. When you think about this new record, which is absorb those lessons, when you listen to it, what are the things that you hear that demonstrate that education? What is things that people could listen for that show here's what we learned and here's how we applied it?

SPEAKER_05 43:25

Right. Uh I think uh Ryan acquired a lot better like microphones and he learned a lot more about recording and he got he got some really good uh you know, uh just better recording gear, like more robust recording gear, he got a a more powerful computer. And I just started to take it a little bit more to a level where I was like constantly challenging myself. I was like, I will never record music without a click track. I'll never do that again. I like it's kind of like my North Star now. It's just like Like if you want it to sound good, you kinda want to be like 'cause I'm not I mean, I've got a pretty good inner metronome, but like when you're recording to a metronome, you're like, Oh fuck, I'm all over the place. And then you listen back to it with the click going. And it's it kind of takes a while to kind of find your footing in that. And so th the the first record was just basically rolling, and then we just did it live, and then there were like pretty much no punch-ins. It was all live. This album was two o'clock track, no punch-ins. So when you hear the beginning of the song, there's no that's me playing from the beginning. The entire record's like that. So there's no punch-ins, every fill, nothing is tweaked. There's no like moving the snare over a little bit. Uh, you know, the kick's kind of quiet. There's all these like little like like quirks that I can hear be like, oh, that snare's really quiet on that second hit. But that's just that's the the human element of it. We're just two guys. How did you resist the urge?

SPEAKER_03 45:00

Usually when I when I'm in the studio though, yeah. When you're mixing it up. I don't use a click track, I use a tick track because I go tick tick boom. That's actually a callback to a hundred episodes ago. No, I'm reusing old material now.

unknown 45:15

Real name.

SPEAKER_03 45:16

I don't recognize that callback. Real heads will know. No, last time it killed. The message boards will know. Last time it killed. Reddit will upvote that one. I'm stealing my own jokes now, and that's just how it is.

SPEAKER_04 45:27

Is that really a joke from your own past? Yeah. That you've remembered? It's a deep bull for me. And you like you did not wait, you did not really wait for an organic time to use it. You still shoehorned it in, but you just could not wait another episode in case it came up. It had to go.

SPEAKER_05 45:43

Well, I mean, the click comes up, you know. He was that was that was your moment, and you you shown.

SPEAKER_04 45:48

I would say you showed admirable restraint for a hundred episodes.

SPEAKER_05 45:52

I don't know if I shined, but I glowed. You waited. You waited for your right moment. You're like, I'm gonna use it, oh, it's gonna come. Oh fuck, he's talking about a click for it's gonna come here.

SPEAKER_03 46:01

Let's see if it can work this time. Do you what was the context for before? It was the same thing. Somebody was talking about being in the studio. Someone said uh they removed a tick. And having a hard time with the click track, and I said, I prefer a tick track because I go tick, tick, boom.

SPEAKER_04 46:15

Oh, okay. Alright. So it I mean, like it failed both times, but in exactly the same way. Yeah, yeah. Okay. That's pretty good. Yeah, do it again. Give it a hundred episodes. And another hundred episodes. You never know when it's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_05 46:28

You never know when it's gonna come up. Yeah, maybe that you can uh you can make the the the podcast, the hot garbage uh shirts, and you can then in the back and say tick-tick boom. That's it. With a question mark, dictum.

SPEAKER_04 46:39

Your favorite saliva song, tick-tick boom. That's click-click boom, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_03 46:45

Even more appropriate. Oh, is it click-click boom the whole time? I think. Oh, Mancy, that's that's some joke. That song? Yeah. You know? Is that the one you were thinking of? That's the one I was trying to reference, and I referenced it wrong.

SPEAKER_04 46:58

I guess you're just not a saliva junkie like I am. Yeah. No. I thought it was Adam, how did you resist the urge because like, okay, you're describing you gotta live with that little dampened snare hit occasionally. But when you use a click track from all the saliva, and you use a click track, it it sort of would seem as if you'd be into like absolute precision. So how did you like let a little detail like that just kind of glide over you? Especially because a click allows you to punch even more cleanly in some ways.

SPEAKER_05 47:29

Well, I think that uh i there's three types of drummers when you're playing a click. You're either playing uh ahead of the click, behind the click, or you're right on it. So like a wet drummer. Yeah, yeah. I like it. There's a dry drummer, a wet drummer, and then a then a drummer who's been d been recording to a click and practices to a lot of. And they've been doing it all their, you know, and it's like, you know, like it was one of those things where it's like, you know, stay in your own lane, but I I was just like, I've been doing this for so long where I was like, I feel like I constantly want to challenge myself now, where it's kind of like this is fucking hard, but I'm gonna do it. Just like trying to do the drums and the cymbals separately, and then doing it two sessions and then just knowing when to go, like if I do this a third time, it it might not work. So it was kind of like just like with starting the business and like having that doubt kind of con constantly creeping in and and and and and feeling just really torn about it and just like I just need to go back to work. And for me it was like, oh, I'm just gonna go I'm gonna go get back in the kitchen and kind of get my my Jimmy legs back, so to speak, just to kind of like get the feel for it. Because like what am I gonna do? Like like start a business and just start cooking and being busy, like I haven't done that in fucking years. I have no idea and and then take phone orders and then work the counter and deal with crazy people and empty the gray water and go grow and then go get groceries and fix things that break. And it's like I just started feeling like I'm not gonna have a good quality of life. Like I'm never gonna I'm never gonna wanna spend any time with my family. I'm gonna be exhausted all the time and you know who knows like how much I would start drinking more at that at that point. And so Especially like grey water.

SPEAKER_04 49:14

I was gonna say, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 49:15

You don't want to drink it with gray water. Drink it.

SPEAKER_04 49:18

You never forget. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 49:22

Food poison and dysentery with the grey water.

SPEAKER_04 49:24

So again it seems like I keep thinking about I keep thinking about music being something that has adapted to be kind of this release valve for you. And that you've learned to because like, you know, you just are like, okay, that's the way I'm gonna go in there, I'm gonna play the drums. I'm just gonna do what I like to do. It's a little bit of a challenge to do this with a click, it's a little bit of a challenge to do it straight through every take all the way through, and then I'm gonna live with what I've got. Uh I mean that there's a kind of uh piece there. And it sounds like just kind of going through the stress of life situations has made it almost easier to let go of the uncontrollables within the world of creativity.

SPEAKER_05 50:01

Yeah, I mean I I've definitely I've I've definitely had some stuff happen to my wife and I the the last couple of years that have I definitely f feel like a a good uh place marker for like when the mindset has changed drastically that you know we we had a really terrible loss in 2019 and then six months later the pandemic started and just like I had some health problems and I got diagnosed with uh type 2 diabetes and I didn't know I had diabetes and I was lost a lot of weight and I was like you know not feeling very healthy. Um just all of all of that uncertainty was just kind of like wrapped up and like I had to figure out ways to manage it, and I I had to figure out like with no assistance, just like with no help essentially. Um so I think the thing that's that like music is such a gift because it it can it can humble you, but it can also it can teach you things that aren't really related to sound. You know, they it can teach you just like it it it can give you this this kind of cathartic experience where you can go, holy shit, I just did that. Like I can't believe that I'm doing this because there's just there's been so many times where where like I was like, I well, okay, I guess we're done, you know. Like the fact of the matter this the record got completed and with all of the errors that we hit along the way is miraculous and it's amazing and it's like it's like I feel so privileged that I that I'm able like I'm a I'm able to do it. Like I'm able to like get my mother-in-law to help out and come and like help out and watch the kid, watch my daughter while I go live my you know my lofty ideals of what a dream is, but it's like I gotta I gotta do it. I gotta I have to go sell records, you know. Like records are expensive. We gotta go like I'm not going out there to like go be a rock star.

SPEAKER_04 52:07

Like I've already everyone listening who might buy a ticket to a show, they are they are not there to have a good time. We are not there to have records, we are only there to make units, everybody.

SPEAKER_03 52:17

That's it's a good record, too. You're not doing yourself a disservice. Well, that's the thing.

SPEAKER_04 52:21

I was gonna say, like, the miracle of it being finished makes it sound like you know it's hanging on by a thread, but it's an awesome record. It sounds great. Thanks. Tunes are good, and you guys are an incredible live band. So whatever you're doing, what whatever you're feeding into that, you know, and wherever it's coming from is that.

SPEAKER_05 52:40

I think uh the uh I appreciate that. I I Brian is a really uh he's a really easy person to be in a band with and he's just a really easygoing guy. He's very regimented and he's really disciplined, which is um he's he's kind of made me like that. Um I was a little more like I guess he he always described it as like you know, he went to school um and he got like a degree in music, and and and when I was coming up and I was kind of cutting my teeth in the music scene, it was like I was playing in punk rock bands and hardcore bands, and he always described it as like you're more punk rock and I'm more like studio to a click, so it's like the though we're just since we're just two people, those two things kind of we butt heads in that way, but then we kind of find a way to kind of like Will I feel this way, will I feel this way? And we it kind of works because we give each other like we have there's a lot of love and mutual respect, obviously. But we work together really well because when when Ryan approached me about doing this project, I was like, you know, man, like the biggest thing for me is like I just want to have fun again. Because I wasn't having fun in some of the other projects I was in, it was just the no fun at all bands. The no fun at all band where he was like, I'm going to practice, but I don't really want to go, but I feel like I have to go because these guys are counting on me because I'm the drummer. And Fred Durst won't stop fucking being a dick. He was in Limp Biscuit. Yeah. Yeah. Limp Biscuit. Are they? No, they're not a good band. No.

SPEAKER_03 54:15

But I mean, they're like, when you played with them, they were pretty good.

SPEAKER_04 54:18

Like you know, the three dollar bill at that tour where we owned that man. Yeah. Yeah. Um you were a bright spot.

SPEAKER_05 54:27

Yeah, it's it's uh we we we were since there's just two of us, we're constantly it's it's almost like it's like borderline competitive. It's like you know, like I'm gonna fucking bring it tonight. And he's like, Oh, you're gonna bring it? Well, I'm gonna bring it too. So it's like we kind of like push each other that way. That's correct. So it's like we're we're just there's just two of us. We have to like we have to be good.

SPEAKER_04 54:49

That's like Andy and I. Iron sharpening iron over here.

SPEAKER_03 54:52

Yeah, you know, we do that before the show every day. We every time we do the show, I say I'm gonna bring it, and he said, I already brought it.

SPEAKER_04 54:58

Yeah. And he's like, I'm you're smoking a lot of joints before the before this podcast. You haven't even seen a lot of joints, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 55:06

People don't know this, but Drew smoked 10 joints on the way here. So really I'm just like trying to keep up. I won't I won't remember a word. You're just getting started. It was it was 10 joints contact connected like horizontally, so it was like 10 long, but not like fat. It was a shoelace joint. Yeah, it was wild. It was like a it was like a pig's tail. It was curly cued.

SPEAKER_04 55:24

And it was really canoeing too. So I was really it was really action all over the place. But here I am.

SPEAKER_03 55:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 55:29

Uh well let's hear uh another utility track. Let's get let's hear that competition in action. What was uh another track that you brought?

SPEAKER_05 55:35

Uh this I believe is the third third, maybe fourth track. It's called Shiny Things. This is a good one. This was uh this was a song that uh that uh I changed everything. Like changed uh the whole feel, whole drum thing about it, and Ryan was just like this weird, and then I started playing it live and he was just like, I fucking love that rock. I kind of gave it more of a like almost a disco feel, but I kind of like gave it a little bit of like I don't know if you've heard that band uh from DC called uh Dismemberment Plan. Yeah um I kind of gave like like the drummer does this kind this certain beat and Q and not you, maybe Brandon Candy from Fagazzi, there was a it it sounds it it it it sounds like it's it it is full 4-4 but it's like where the hi hat is it kind of it gave it kind of it it broke it up a little bit. Cool.

SPEAKER_04 56:26

Yeah I can't wait to to feel this groove. Let's give it a spin.

SPEAKER_05 59:41

That's what makes I think um band survive is just surrendering to like just rolling with whatever happens and not being like I just really hate the sound of the guitars on this. It's like you're the only one that doesn't like the sound of your guitar. You know what I mean? That's and I think it's just with this record, there's like there's moments where I'm like, yeah, I could have did that a little different. I could have changed that part a little bit, I could have like hit a little less hard on this part, but it's like you know, it's like it's a it's a record of of that moment, and it's it's that it's and it's there forever. It's now it's officially history.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:20

What's that? I want to have a party at like Sky Zone or one of those trampoline parks. Yeah. And I want to invite all of Portland music, all the bands, and I want to see how many survive. Well, mostly I think it'll just be funny because no one's gonna be. Is there a death element to this invite? Everyone's getting hurt horribly. Uh it's really gonna like whittle out the scene. But really, what I want to see is no one looks cool in a trampoline. No. Very few people can look like cool in comedy.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:50

Except for slam ball players. Maybe.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:52

Yeah, we got a few of those. But I really I really think is gonna happen is 90% of Portland musicians are gonna roll their ankles real hard. Or worse. Or they're gonna they're gonna slip another disc. And they're just gonna be like, God, dude, I can't play drums. I can't, I can't. Oh, I've gonna be a brutal summer. I smash my wrist playing slam ball. Uh so we have to we're gonna have all these new supergroups that kind of are like only the survivors.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:19

That's a that's actually a really good idea. I'd like this. Maybe Joe Rogan can host the show.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:23

Yeah, we need to definitely get Joe Rogan in there or Johnny Knoxville. Mm-hmm. Yeah, we can do that.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:29

I think that's a great that's a gr that's a really brilliant concept for a band. And maybe in the in the future, reality shows will be like where people will legitimately get hurt on camera.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:38

It'll be like Squid Game, but for not just emotionally hurt on camera.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:41

Yeah, yeah, like Squid Games for musicians. Alright, you gotta run a mile. Oh, the hangover? Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:48

With a hangover. Yeah. And you have to come back with drugs, and there's cops everywhere, and we're in a state where they will kill you on site.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:55

And then after that, you have to drink water all day long. Oh. I can't have coffee. No, we gotta drink water. You gotta stay hydrated.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:03

Pediolite.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:04

Disgusting pediolite. Do you guys like that?

SPEAKER_03 1:02:08

I do like pediolite, but it has to be so cold it hurts your teeth. Yeah. I had so thick.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:16

I had Pediolite. I drank a lot of pediolite in uh like mid-September in 2017. I had a procedure done. I was getting really sick, and I had uh diverticulitis disease. Inherited it from my dad. And I had the surgery, and so um after it was after it was actually after the surgery where I was like, I was like tasked with drinking this chalky sh it tasted like shit. It's so and I had like I couldn't eat for a couple days. I had to just get the shit in my like a liquid diet. Yeah, it was really sad. I mean, there are a lot I'm I remember the first time where I could I I was allowed to have solid food, it was like it was an English muffin, scrambled eggs, and a caramel latte. And I remember the first bite I had out of those scrambled eggs, like I started crying because I was like it was so good because I was just like I was so happy, you know. It was like uh I I got through it because I was miserable for like six miserable, like like divertiolitis is fucking rough, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:25

Andy's a fellow uh GI warrior, he's got Crohn's disease.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:28

Yeah, I've got Crohn's disease and I get put on liquid diets a lot. Oh it'll be you know four or five days. But I always, when I come off of it, the first thing I eat is the most glorious, amazing food. I gotta there's one thing though in that world of liquid diet things that I do kind of like. The protein added it's like apple juice plus protein. It's chalky as fuck. Yeah. It's the one that I can handle. And I drink a lot of that, and I eat a lot of jello because jello is considered a liquid.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:59

Yeah, I ate a lot of jello when I was in the hospital, and it it was it was it was very comforting because they were like, Well, you gotta have this broth, and it was this fucking just horrible broth, and it was just like so sad and on. And then just on pain pills that were making me completely insane, you know. Like I like I noticed that uh uh Percocet just was making me just an emotional mess. I was just like crying, and then the next minute really angry, and then I'd be all amped, and then I'd be all tired, and it was just all over the place. None of it was positive. Yeah, none of that sounds fun.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:36

Yes. I uh Andy has you know had to take steroids on certain occasions as a as a treatment for crumbs. Right in my dick. And I I had to take a steroid for like a five-day course for something that I had. And I I felt miserable. Like I felt like a total monster just from five days at a pretty low dosage, and I was telling you about Andy, and you're like, oh, I've taken like four times that amount for like three years. I was on something in zone.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:05

I was on pred like the heaviest dose you're supposed to be of prednisone for nine months. Uh and I would get so mad at everything.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:13

Wait, is that what's did you say prednisone? Was that a pain painkiller? No, it's a steroid. I think I was on the prednisone for a little while.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:22

It's not a fun drug to take. It gives you like a puffy moon face, and it makes you it gives me like just the shortest fuse.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:29

Right. I think I was on that after my surgery, after I got home, because I remember I would like I was my dad was there, he felt bad, he felt like it was his fault. I'm like, Well, it is your genes, dad. So you can't change that. But uh like I I remember I would just like snap at my dad, and then I would come downstairs after like taking a much needed nap, and I'd be like, Dad, I'm I'm sorry for yelling at you. And she's like, It's okay, son. I I I know what you're going through. So you know it was Yeah. Prednisone. I haven't really thought about that until I heard you say that word.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:03

It's not a very memory. It's not a very fun one. And my dog has to take it every day. And uh boy. I mean, he's totally sweet. I don't know. He's he he's on his shit.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:10

Yeah, when my fuse blows on a daily basis, it's just like emotional fragility. It isn't uh chemical imbalance.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:17

One thing I noticed for my dog though, when he takes a lot of prednisone like he's been taking for the longest time, long piss. Just real long pisses. And I wonder if that is something that I just forgot about happening to me.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:30

We uh we played this game over the holidays where uh long piss game? Well, it was something about like you have to uh like it'll name a situation like name the number of glasses of water in Lake Michigan or something like that. Or you have to name some number that you could never possibly know, and people have to come close to it, or you know, there's there's a hook to it, but there's a lot of different prompts, and one of them was like the average length of human of a urination. And apparently the answer was something like 21 seconds is like pretty much like a metronome for people. Like 98% of peas are like kind of right in that 21 second range. Wow. But I think about it every morning, I'm like, this has gotta be longer than 21 seconds.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:13

And is it always around 21 seconds?

SPEAKER_04 1:07:15

I don't know. I need a I need a stopwatch. I need a toilet stopwatch for this.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:19

Do you think that we have some kind of like uh an internal piss time dilation thing? Where once you start peeing, time stops and it just feels like you've always been peeing and you always will be peeing.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:31

I don't know, the classic description of relativity as a concept.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:36

Maybe gravity has something to do with it too. Like, depending on like where you live, what time zone you're in. I could help.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:43

That's true. Your proximity to the pools.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:46

So would you say the average of like to 21 seconds? I think so. I think that would be the number. Is that from when the stream starts or from when you like unsheath, lift the seat up? That's a great one. Like the last tug to get the last few drops out.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:01

I would time it from from splash to last drop. I I I'd based it on toilet water touched, you know?

SPEAKER_03 1:08:07

So I'm thinking it's just the hard stream, that's all. Like you don't even you wouldn't count the I wouldn't count any of the lead up or any count when you ash your dick over the toilet. I'm taking too long with that, and it's it's not. You just let it spill down your legs. Just helicoptering all over the room. It's it's a mess. That's just for me. That shouldn't count in any kind of like statistic.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:30

I hate the times when you have done your due diligence at the urinal or the toilet, and you're uh you know, you've wrung that thing dry, and then you walk away, and they're just like a it's like a water balloon full that that was like hiding in your urethra somewhere and just pours down your leg.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:44

It's hilarious. I think it's the funniest thing. Well, just like I mean I mean I grew up around a lot of women who um when they laughed really hard or jumped up and down, they would pee themselves a little bit. Yeah. And I think it's hilarious that uh that that's the dude equivalent. It's just like, oh, I think I'm done. Nope, you just pissed your pants. Yeah. You like pee your pants a lot more than you thought you were going to. Just a little bit, you know, I think it's okay. Yeah, fuck you dudes. From all the all the women out there who tell me that they constantly pee their pants just a little bit.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:16

No, I yeah, I don't feel I don't feel uh like targeted by the universe.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:21

Have you ever pulled that move though where you're wearing like light colored pants and it's very obvious, and then you splash water on your pants and like oh fuck, I was washing my hands. Definitely fucking got it all over.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:31

Absolutely, that's I just started bailing on uh uh paper towels in general, so that every time I came out of the bathroom, piss or not, my pants were covered. Therefore, no one can tell.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:42

That's what's nice about having those hand dryers, because you can stick your crotch under there and you're like, yes, get it dried in a few seconds.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:48

That's why what I do is I don't I don't even pull up my pants anymore, I just kind of waddle over to that thing and I dry my dick directly underneath it so that I don't need a cure dry.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:58

You were saying you waddled up to the urinal and just pissed it through your pants because they had hair.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:03

Yeah, I don't even care anymore. I've got those dryers there. What do I care? Why am I gonna take the the precious seconds to unzip my pants?

SPEAKER_03 1:10:10

Honestly, it feels good for a second.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:12

It's weird when I do it at the Blazers game because there's no like buffer or anything, and people are just watching me just paint the floor in my pants with urine, but you know. Mind their own business.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:23

That's a true blazer maniac. He's busting a bucket right there.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:28

I don't want to miss a single second of the action.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:31

Busted a goddamn bucket right in his pants.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:33

You know, speaking of the blazers, I I watched this video the other day. Did you guys know that Paul Allen has an apartment? Yes, I was just talking about the coin tower, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:10:42

Yeah. I used to work in the coin tower. No. In the modus center. In the very top of the modus center. Like the Phantom of the Opera? Yes, kind of. There's a window up there, and I've always asked about it. And someone was talking about the internet the other day that it was an apartment he had built for his mother when she was in town, she could stay there. And it's just a modest apartment. I mean, it's not it's not super modest, but it's nobody's really been in it. It's like kind of like off limits. You have to go in a s a special elevator to get up to it.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:11

Yeah, you probably like need a key to get up in the elevator. But that's that's that's pretty fascinating. You know, it just shows you what wealth can do.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:20

I never I've I've been at games before and looked up and saw it. You go to a lot of laser games.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:24

Look for that window at the top of the It's right by the uh right by the banner that's I want to say it's in the north east side. If you look up.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:35

Alright. I've seen it at games because I usually do sit pretty high up. You know, I'm pretty sure. You're 300. My seats are in the 300s, too. And I'm like, damn, I'm among the people. What's up there? What's that? That seems like a weird luxury box that nobody's using. Yeah. But it turns out, yeah, you'd someone just living in that shit. That'd be great. It would be good. No, it would be a good thing. Actually, it kind of would suck ass, really, right? I was thinking about it a lot lately. Because I mean, let's say you had to go get groceries or anything. Yeah. You have to walk through the length of the Moda Center to get outside, let alone go anywhere. If you bring groceries back there, you have to take them in an elevator. You gotta do all this stuff.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:12

And I don't like living next door to the human beings that live next to me in their own homes, you know what I mean? Like to say nothing of 17,000 people in my front yard, you know, four times.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:22

That'd be an amazing place to hide, hide out. I wish nobody would look there. That's true.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:27

And it would it would be really funny if you also didn't like basketball or crowds, and you were just always trapped in your home. You'd have to time out your like when you're leaving to the biggest.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:36

That's like the worst like type of house arrest. You like you have to like watch every single game. Like I guess it wouldn't be the worst type of game.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:44

I've never seen the windows open. I've never seen the windows open. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:48

It'd be weird if you had a balcony and there was like chairs out there and you'd be like just watching the game. But just a guy there and his boxer's like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_04 1:12:59

Yeah. You'd definitely see Foo Fighters if you lived in that if you lived in that house.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:05

I mean, in the world of like craziest places in the city to live, that's that's a cool one.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:10

And just to be clear, I do like my neighbors. They're nice people. I was trying to be funny, you know. Because I know they listen. Just like really stretching for that that big huge laugh that I'm sure it elicited, and I just fell a little short.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:21

You know, I think a little short of my own standards, Aaron. You know what? I think they thought it was funny, and having you walk it back probably is highly insulting to them.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:28

The good news is there's not a chance that they listen.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:31

I tell all my neighbors I live about this show. Um as much as possible. I just I flipped the script, Drew. Yeah? Are you back on telling people about this show? I'm back on telling people about this show again. Uh everyone. Change everything. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:47

Do you guys do you guys take uh I mean going on a tour, and obviously you you mentioned, you know, would love to sell some records. What's your like what's the approach to marketing and promotion? Like what do you g how seriously or hard line are you guys about that?

SPEAKER_05 1:14:02

I mean, I think uh a lot of the shows that we're getting are are just basically just a like uh a history of just playing and just knowing people and and so to speak, you know g having resources to to play good places with decent bands and getting a good draw. Because I kind of find like if there's a if there's a band that comes through from out of town and they and I like them, I'm gonna buy the record or I'm gonna buy a shirt. Yeah. Um and I think now is a really good like I think people need need people need shirts. People need shirts and people wanna get out of their fucking house and not look at a phone and just be you know inundated with dread and anxiety and like fuck it, I'm gonna go ahead and get drunk, have fun, and like I'm found this record, and then like I mean it's like when that happens you you all you always have this connection to that moment because you have a a record, you have a recording of that moment of of your life, and then when you listen to it, you can like re use that as a reflection reflection and then share it with other people. But you're anchored. We don't uh you know, I'm gonna try my I'm gonna try my best at at really utilizing social media as much as much as I can. I'm gonna try to document everything and I'm gonna try to just record all the shows, just live stream all the shows.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:24

I have a little merch tip that's really got me. I was at a show, I saw we were at a punk show, and this band, uh Dana Scully and the Tiger Sharks, they had uh they added a gambling element to their merch table where they had uh like you roll you roll a d20, you pay five bucks, you roll a d20, and you get whatever merch is with that number. I ended up getting a shirt. I actually made out you could get a you could get a single sticker for a dollar that would be a dollar, you know? Or you could get up to a shirt and I ended up rolling a nineteen, so I got a shirt. Nice. The shirts were fifteen bucks, so you know. How much did you pay for the dice roll? Five bucks. Okay. And I mean I was gonna buy a sticker and screwed on that sticker. Yeah, okay. If I just got a sticker and I would have paid five bucks, I would have been stoked. Because that's probably what I would have gotten anyways. Yeah, I mean you're you're helping the band out. I thought that was a cool angle. I was like, damn, I was just gonna walk by. I mean, I liked your set, but like that pulled me in. So that was also it was a dice tower. If you play DD, you know, you like drop the dice in the top and it goes and it falls through and then it comes out the bottom. It's a very satisfying way to roll a dice. Give me some ideas now. Yeah. The problem is you have to have an assortment of merch to go with these numbers. You don't have to have like 20 items, but you at least have to have like five different things.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:39

I think utility should consider a t-shirt cannon. Fuck yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:43

That's a fucking brilliant idea. You people can idea.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:46

You know what I mean? Shoot at them. Shot with a t-shirt cannon. We caught a t-shirt out of a t-shirt cannon at a beavers game back when the Portland Beavers were a thing. They were baseball team. I've never been into close enough. It was a frozen ball of t-shirt. And it was like, damn, if this would have hit me point blank, it might have killed me. Was it from like the the CO2 of the gun or something like that? And they freeze it into like a shape that will like hold air pressure. And it would fly. And I was like, damn, that's it's still frozen solid. I was like peeling it apart like I was like pulling apart ribs or something.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:23

Can Ryan play those those sweet licks that he plays like with just the left hand on the fretboard? Can he like hammer on enough to be also holding a t-shirt cannon in the other hand while he's actually shredding?

SPEAKER_05 1:17:35

Whatever one of the new songs that were that he's been telling me about, it's like he's just doing tapping with his left hand, so like there you go.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:42

That's great. T-shirt gun in the other.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:45

Or or Mad Max style, the t-shirt gun is the guitar. And he's just aiming it out. Instead of flamethrower, it's shooting t-shirts. Depending on like you have like certain frets that you push down that are like the t-shirt fret.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:59

I was thinking, I was thinking of merch ideas. Like we've we've got shirts, we've got vinyl, we've got two CDs. But I was thinking about like I haven't seen this in a while. Maybe it's a kind of an old-fashioned thing, but beer koozies. Hell yeah. Love the bugs, right? Charge two bucks for those? I mean, they c they don't really cost that much to make. And then you're getting something that nobody has, especially if it's a band coming through your town that nobody's heard of. We talked about this earlier.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:27

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:27

I get a big bucket of them at home. I love 'em.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:29

I told you guys, uh I I I'm also a sucker for koozies as well as cornrows and manicure toes.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:35

Be they beer koozies or bob koozies, you're a sucker.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:39

For 'em. Trucker hats. Nobody loves a trucker hat.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:45

You can, and Nate will track you down if you take his his famous koozies. Yeah, he will. He's got some favorites. Um I keep those things close to my horde.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:56

Adam, we got time for one more track before we uh let you go. What was the what's the third one that y'all brought?

SPEAKER_05 1:19:03

I brought a track, uh, I believe it's called 826. Or is it 824? I should probably have a better knowledge of this before I tell you. Let me just I want to make sure it's accurate. It's uh 846. Oh, yeah. It's by a band called Quando Quando Quando. Oh yeah. Um they're a great uh I wanna say we'll just go ahead and call them a little post rocky, a little post punky. Um friends of mine, great band. Um they don't play a lot, um, but this track is actually um unreleased. And Wes, the guitarist good friend of mine, um, also plays in Perfect Buzz, um, sent me this track, and he was nice enough to share it. So, you know, I guess like a lot of people are hearing this for the first time.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:52

Awesome. Well I'm gonna call it a world podcast premiere. Yeah. Um grateful for uh for them for sharing. Let's let's give this one a spinning.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:09

You bring your lawn chairs. But man. You can't be serious, really? Yeah. No. That that part I'm pushing it a little bit far. But you can want you to do that, but I did do that. And I did bring my camping chairs. They weren't like stoked about it, but they didn't also have to do that.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:25

You just started a little tailgate right there. We sat in our car and drank beers with the windows down right in front of the door. So we weren't too secret about it either.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:34

Yeah. But it uh it's pretty great. They have uh we're talking about next level in Hillsborough, they are pinball museums.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:40

More than 300 pinball machines.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:41

They claim to be the largest uh arcade in North America now, and they won best arcade in North America last year.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:48

And the largest lunchbox collection in the world.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:51

Yeah. The people that own it, it's a dad. It's a dad and his uh his uh wife and his son. And they all have different Guinness Book or close to Guinness Book World Record collections of something, and they're all displayed there. And it was basically they were like, hey, let's find a spot to display our amazing collections, which also happen to be pinball machines. Yeah, it's an incredible cool place to go. And it's like you pay one price and you get in. But they do have one little room in the back that costs money, and it's like usually like one little like ski ball thing and like a claw machine. But I avoid that like. It's claw machines, yeah. Yeah, I like uh I like all the shit that they have.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:31

I'd recommend going on a Thursday afternoon when it's just the unemployable that go there. Yeah, basically to yourself. That's great.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:38

Even when it's busy, you can just bounce around. And um, another cool thing if you're there, look down at the plaques on the pinball machines when you're playing them. Don't miss that. Some of them are actually like autographed by like the creative team makers and shit. Is it just do you have to do that? How many machines are still active in the country, how many were made, and how many still work, which is a crazy number to me to see.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:58

Do you have to pay per game or do you pay like an hourly thing?

SPEAKER_03 1:27:01

No, you pay uh daily$23. That's it? And it's from like noon to whenever.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:06

And you can come and go, like Andy was saying, you can go get Oh man. Like there's one, there's wine in the afternoon, went to a winery, and then came back and played some. So amazing. Yeah, you can't.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:15

It's cool. I love that. So you can like leave, go get lunch, come back. Absolutely. Yeah, that's great. They encourage it.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:20

They have tables where they'll let you bring in food and stuff. And if you really want to, you can rent their party room. And it's the same price as renting a party room in anywhere else. It's not any more expensive.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:28

And you can smoke cigarettes inside.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:30

You can. You can they hate that though, but they will let you if you're playing pinball well. Yeah, it's part of my whole fucking thing. I have to smoke cigarettes while I play Johnny Pneumonic. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:43

Like pinbot, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:46

Yeah, I love how it's all organized by the creator so you can go through and find CSI Miami, the pinball machine next to like a Ninja Turtles with like a horny April O'Neal couple of their titties hanging out. Yeah, like the old ones.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:00

One's from the nineties, she's really fiending for that green D, but then there's one from the 2000s where she's a serious reporter.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:08

Yeah, that's true too. She's a journalist. She finally got a journalism degree. She wasn't just pretending to be a good thing.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:13

Yeah, she's just holding her diploma on the on the backboard, you know. It's really like April's grad school featuring the turtles. The makeup machine is anything. Uh Adam, before we go, I wanted to ask you to I wanna I want you to like unfurl all of your imaginative powers. And if there was a one place that utility could play and rock their absolute hardest that wasn't designed as a music venue, what forum would you choose?

SPEAKER_05 1:28:41

I would say uh What is your Pompeii, you know? I had to answer this question for for both of us, so I was thinking of something like Feel free to put words in Ryan's mouth.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:56

He said specifically you could do that.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:59

I'm thinking maybe like a carnival. A dark carnival. Like a look, but a carnival, but but being put on the bill with like a really bad old like like irrelevant classic rock band that is like on a carnival circuit. Hell yeah. I see. Okay. Or like one of those like uh um like a how do they call it? Like a rodeo. Hell yeah. Ian in the middle, like around the like the bowls, like and we'd be like in a little cage rocking like Actually that would fucking rip your music, you know?

SPEAKER_04 1:29:34

That would be it'd be so fucking dusty. So sick.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:36

Or like you two were in like those metal balls from American Gladiators. Yes, yeah, yeah. And you're playing, the bulls are hitting you, but like somehow your instruments are still fine.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:45

Yeah, and like we're like not really responding to it. We know that we're getting jostled around, but we're like, oh I got two more songs, we could do this.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:52

What would you what would you guys wear? Because I feel like you can't just show up in normal like club show attire. You have to deck out for this. Would you go play?

SPEAKER_05 1:30:01

I've been kinda we I've been kinda leaning into like dressing up for shows lately. I I And I think it's because it's like, you know what? Like I've I think I've been so like modest and just being myself when I play, but like lately I've been like, fuck it, I'm gonna wear this crazy outfit. I don't know, maybe like a like a like a bright metallic, almost like aluminum foil suit that's that's got like maybe some some lights on it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:29

And uh take the sleeves off that thing too.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:32

Take the sleeves off, but also have have some like some tassels. Yeah, too. You know, and like definitely have to wear a wig because I don't have hair anymore. Stick. So kind of like John Bonham in Song Remains the Sane, that's a wig he's wearing. I don't know if you knew that. I didn't know that at the end. That's a fucking wig. Next time you watch it, just take a quick like a close look. I did not know that. Ryan told me that. I was like, no, it's not. He's like, that's a fucking wig he's wearing. And I was like, holy shit, all these years I watch watching this guy who had long hair with that headband on. He goes, This is a wig. Yeah. I think more people should wigs just all the time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:08

Yeah. That's you know, destigmatized.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:10

Yeah, I guess I'll I guess I'll settle on uh uh on the on the rodeo. That's a cool that's a good idea.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:15

And in that same thing that's you get to brand a cow at the end of your set. Yes. With your logo. Yeah. Uh in that same world, uh, I'm imagining our podcast is performing at like the next thing over. And it's one of those big spheres where people ride motorcycles around. It's at the same fair, but it's like a horse gelding exhibition. It this one's like part of like the midway, but it's one of those things where everybody's riding motorcycles in a sphere upside down, all around. And we're just sitting in the middle on the ground. We're just doing this conversation. Oh yeah. And our couch in the middle, and they're just coming dangerously close to us. And I'm smoking so much weird. We're doing dabs. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:49

How would you how would you uh how would you be able to hear each other with those motorcycles?

SPEAKER_03 1:31:54

We probably wouldn't. We would be talking over each other and at each other aggressively.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:59

Or you could have like big monitors with like like really old keyboards on your lap and you're just communicating like that. That's the idea.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:06

It's the future. They're electric motorcycles. Boom. Right. They have little speakers, and I'm like going when you really want them to.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:16

We should do a silent podcast where we where everyone's dead, dead silent, and they're wearing earbuds, but it's just us talking. It isn't even like live live. Yeah, like a silent disco?

SPEAKER_03 1:32:27

Yeah, exactly. Everybody's dancing to us talking. It's weird.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:30

It's weird uh off-putting. It's unnerving.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:32

I like it. We could do like uh an assisted, like we'll do like a you know how people will do like um a guided meditation? We'll do a guided JOI. We're just doing our podcast. You'll host it. Slowly stroke it. A silent JOI. It's like a disco, but it's masturbatory.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:53

Well now, yeah, you really do. The sky is the limit. That's using your imagination.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:57

If we're gonna get there in this year, in the year of 2026. We gotta get it in there before the end. Before the end, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:04

You've been you think you've been saving that tic-tac-boom joke. You've been saving your JOI instructions for 200 episodes.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:12

I've been saving that if you've been if you've been paying attention. This whole podcast.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:17

If people listen to every seventh word you say, it is it is a grotesque JOI instructions. I guess I'm saying the I again. I that's what the I stands for, right? Yeah. Joy. Um, Adam, we're big utility fans. Thank you so much for hanging out with us. Yeah, the new record's great. People should go pick it up. It's out on vinyl now. Uh obviously you're gonna be hitting the road in the Midwest, and they're lucky to have you. Where else can people keep an eye on what you guys are up to?

SPEAKER_05 1:33:46

Um that's we don't really have anything in the books right now. Um our record is available at Music Millennium currently, and we're trying to get it into more record stores. Um but uh yeah, that's we don't really have anything um booked until until the end of May. Um Ryan's got some stuff he's he's taken care of uh in Poisey at his uh at his dad's place, so I guess we're uh taking a little taking a little respite right now.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:16

I guess this conversation's gonna have to tie people over for a month.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:20

Yeah, I guess so. We can hear about all of our fantasies and all our dreams or we want the our dream shows, how songs are written.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:29

Well, uh thanks again for hanging out with us. This was great. Yeah, we appreciate it.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:33

Yeah, thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:33

Everyone get out there and buy the record. It's good. Really, really good. Uh we want to thank each of you for listening too. Uh, not only for buying a utility record, which we appreciate, but for tuning into the show. Hope you had a good time, hope you tell a friend, hope you tell someone Andy knows so that they tell him. And it brings just a tear of joy to his eyes.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:52

Yeah, I hope it does too.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:54

If you like the music that Andy selects for the show, he also hosts a weekly internet radio show on Shady Pines Radio. It's called Heshir with Mr. Tomorrow every Friday at six. And it's a delight. It is, it's a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:08

I think it's well sometimes. Yeah. You be the judge. I am the judge. I fucking dare you. You know I'm judging. Have you heard this? I fucking dare you.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:16

ABJ, always be judging.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:18

Yeah. I got something real good to go out on this week. Wait, I'm excited. Another New Jersey musician. His name's Bobby Stax. Wait, I can't read, I forgot my glasses. It's a Bruce Springsteen. I said the name wrong. Who did I say? Bobby Sacks is also dope, I'm sure. But this is Bobby Shock. Uh this dude is a real bad guy. Bobby Skags is not the boss Skags, but he's just a fucking ripper. He's in a bunch of prog bands, he's in a band called Guesstimate, he's in Dome, he's in Crust. And this is just what's on his bio on his band camera. I don't know why. He writes these songs, man. This shit is awesome. It almost kind of feels yacht rocky, but it doesn't. It's kind of like That's not what I would have thought. It's amazing. Uh he's got a new album out called Horny. And uh I'm gonna play you my favorite song off this album, and it's called Final Piss.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:12

It's called parentheses, I'm Horny. Alright, well, for Adam from Utility, for Nate for Andy, this is Drew. We will see you next week on Hot Garbage.