The Eyebrows of Melody with GRETTA SEABIRD

Gretta Seabird are symbiotes of pop: their beautiful songs bond with and absorb the properties of every sub-genre without ever losing their Seabird-ness. Folk pop? Sure. Dance pop? You bet. Spoon-centric pop? If the mood strikes. The band joins the show this week for an INCREDIBLE in-studio live performance that will break your tender hearts and fill you with joy. We also discuss the value of songwriting challenges, the self-respecting clarinet and the shameful saxophone, giant-sunglass scams (pros and cons), the ineffability of musical cool, and the disappointments of Christian punk. 

Music this week:

• "Cycling" by Gretta Seabird (13:28)
• "The Hand That Holds the Gun" by sewerbitch! (36:35)
• "Goodbye for Now" by Gretta Seabird (56:28)
• "Here" by Gretta Seabird (67:16)
• "Thing" by Mingus Maps (95:26)

Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:00

You're listening to Hot Garbage.

SPEAKER_02 0:11

Hello and welcome to another episode of the Hot Garbage Podcast, Portland, Oregon's premiere music discovery and interview show. My name is Drew. I'm your co-host. Joining me as always is my dear friend and co-host, Andy. Chim Chim Cherie. Yeah, pretty good, Andy. Pretty good. Our silent partner Nate is with us. He's producing it, making the sound happen, as he does each and every week. For that we are grateful. It's a good day, Andy, wouldn't you say?

SPEAKER_03 0:39

It is. And good big shout out to uh DJ Tanner on the beat. We don't talk about that much, but the theme song I try not to talk about. It's a goddamn banger.

SPEAKER_02 0:47

It is a banger. Thanks to DJ Tanner doing the Lord's work for our theme song.

SPEAKER_03 0:53

Yeah. And not even knowing it, never listening to the show, refusing to, almost on principle.

SPEAKER_02 0:59

Yes, he doesn't even want to hear how it's being how his art has been distorted for our purposes. We keep it true. We keep it, we keep it honest with the beats. Is there any musical news in your life that has that has touched you this week?

SPEAKER_03 1:16

Well, you know, a lot of music festivals are rolling out their lineups for these summer shows, and I am really optimistic. There's a lot of cool stuff happening this summer already.

SPEAKER_02 1:26

What's the band that's like I feel like wet leg was on this run for the last like three years where they were popping up on all the coolest little fests. Is there is there anyone who's bubbling up to that wet leg area where they're always going to be like that that third line on the poster kind of band everywhere?

SPEAKER_03 1:43

I mean, right now, definitely geese. They're playing a lot of festivals. Everybody wants to see geese, everybody wants to see Macalina. Yeah. If you are going to Treefort this year, there's a lot of cool bands playing that. Uh I would love to see Cobra. Yeah. You know, just hyper sexual techno music. That's where I'm at. I would love to see Peaches. Peaches is touring again. Oh. Rocking's probably the coolest, boldest haircut I've ever seen. I haven't seen Peaches in a Peaches has like um bangs, the rest of their head is shaved, and then the back is just this poof ball. Bigger than the rest of their heads.

SPEAKER_02 2:20

Like Ramsey's from the Ten Commandments just braid down the back. That's next. If I could do that, sign me up. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:28

A lot of kids in school were talking about rat tails and if if they could grow a rat tail and how cool that would be. So that's what's stopping them. Uh, you know, time social pressure. Time and willpower at this point. For kids, yeah, that's tough. Because you gotta grow it. And I was like, I don't know, do you guys like Star Wars a lot? And then they were like, maybe we don't want rat tails. You guys know who Jake Lloyd is? Ah, my young Padawans. The force is strong with this one. In hindsight, it is.

SPEAKER_02 2:56

It's odd to think that all the rat tails that we grew up amongst had to be curated by someone's parent. Like that wasn't just a kid taking care of their own rat's tail. A parent had to make that happen. Because we know kids don't do shit on their own, you know?

SPEAKER_03 3:08

It's very true.

SPEAKER_02 3:10

So those were choices. Those are choices that adults made on behalf of kids.

SPEAKER_03 3:14

Is that what they were is that what MAGA's talking about when they want to make America great again? Is it rat tails?

SPEAKER_02 3:19

That's exactly MAGA and James Cameron's avatar style of rat tails that you plug into things.

SPEAKER_03 3:26

Man, MAGA's got a lot of things wrong, but I think they're right on this rat tail thing.

SPEAKER_02 3:29

Well, you know, a broken clock is right twice a day, you know, that right? Yeah. So that that Venn diagram for me and MAGA, I guess, is rat tails. Yeah. I'm not. I'm anti. So I'm still outside.

SPEAKER_03 3:40

Yeah, I'm still out sold on rat tails. You can have that one, MAGA. We'll give we're gonna give you that one.

SPEAKER_02 3:44

Yeah, you know what, MAGA?

SPEAKER_03 3:45

That one's yours.

SPEAKER_02 3:47

Like so many other things, you can just keep. Take that and the punishment. Continue to have all the things that I don't want, which is everything. Um, but things I do want, Andy, is to encourage people to really get a comfortable chair for this episode because it is a fucking blue ribbon episode. That's right. We had um from the band Greta Seabird, we had Lee, Alicia, and Joel, and they played live here in the studio. So we have two live bangers from their self-titled EP, which they were also generous enough to leave a vinyl of with us. So go out there and check it out. Like, listen to the episode, they were so fun. Uh, they had a lot of interesting points of view on music and how they we talked about singing a lot. I don't feel like singing gets uh center stage, but we talked a lot about singing, and uh they were just uh a lively bunch and played amazing, beautiful songs live for us all.

SPEAKER_03 4:41

So and if if I could recommend one thing for this episode, it would be that pause it right now, get yourself to a mall, and find one of those nice relaxing massage chairs and put like$12 in it.

SPEAKER_02 4:53

Just sit down. Maybe buy yourself a pretzel and a jumba juice and and really slurp one down while you're enjoying our conversation with Greta Seabird on this week's episode of Hot Garbage. I've been listening to the music that is available uh for the last couple of days. The songs, I mean, the songs are just like so they go down so easy. They're just like little beautiful little nuggets, so they're easy to listen to over and over again. And you've got uh a really lovely voice, beautiful instrument, as people are gonna hear on this episode. But I'm wondering when you are putting the vocals together and like the melodies coming together, or you're doing a demo, or you're in the studio trying to get it right, what is the weirdest sound that you make when you get the line wrong?

SPEAKER_08 5:43

Oh, when I get it wrong.

SPEAKER_02 5:44

When you're like, oh, didn't hit the note. Is there is there an exclamation that happens when maybe the the vocal melody doesn't come out right?

SPEAKER_09 5:51

Um a lot of it's like, no, no, no, no. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 5:54

It's like mid-sentence, you're just like, nope, that's not it. No.

SPEAKER_09 5:57

Yeah, but we try to do the whole we try to do the whole thing as much as we can because there's a feeling of like so this is the best way I can describe it is like when you smile for a photo, your eyebrows naturally rise to like an actual authentic way. And so like we try not to like overkill it. Yeah. So like we try to take it, we do it as in little takes as possible.

SPEAKER_02 6:27

Right. So it's it's natural. Right. So it's like cohesive. Yeah. What is the eyebrow raise in this analogy?

SPEAKER_09 6:34

Just like the more you the more takes you do, the like less the more eyebrows. You can start to feel that you're like, alright, I'm not in this song anymore. Let's go back to it, because it's starting to like fra you know, starting to like fall apart.

SPEAKER_03 6:53

I like the idea of getting fully recorded takes too for your deep uh like archives. Yeah, yeah. This is take two, or like take fourteen or whatever.

SPEAKER_08 7:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:03

Yeah, like an anthology. You just start to like a three-disc set that comes out.

SPEAKER_09 7:08

I think too, is like it's important to follow punk rock etiquette of do it fast, get it done. And so we're like really trying to like squash it and make it completed fast.

SPEAKER_03 7:22

Um, more bands should get bonus points for how fast they make it.

SPEAKER_11 7:27

Lee Lee is on Lee is on it, she's got the record.

SPEAKER_09 7:32

I just I've heard like stories of people with like six bandmates, and it's a democracy of like input, and like we are like, nope, let's just get it, like the less people, the less involvement, just push it out.

SPEAKER_03 7:47

Yeah, you're like you're like Woody Guthrie meets the minute.

SPEAKER_09 7:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:51

Awesome.

SPEAKER_09 7:53

We took our this re this EP took three days.

SPEAKER_02 7:57

Holy shit.

SPEAKER_09 7:59

And um then we worked with like a PR company, and I don't think they expected me to do that. And so now they're like spending a little more time on this next record. But we're still trying to stick to the like make it fast uh vibe. But we keep tweaking it a little bit, maybe like adding one little thing.

SPEAKER_11 8:21

Yeah, just once you get some harmonica in on this.

SPEAKER_09 8:24

Yeah, because when you do it live, it starts to morph a little bit since you ha like you recorded it, but then you're like doing the live thing and you're like, we totally forgot that this is necessary in the song, it's not there yet.

SPEAKER_02 8:37

Yeah. We've talked to a lot of artists who um explain like creatively a constraint that you place on yourself can actually be liberating because it keeps you to a schedule, it makes you work around a challenge, and so it sort of opens up creativity. Does the fact that you want to do these things quickly and cohesively is that would you view that as a constraint that drives creativity, or is that just a preference of yours?

SPEAKER_09 9:00

Uh the constraint is super necessary and I took like a five-year break from music and when I came back I was like, okay, I can I've got time and I I can really be um I can b think these problems through carefully and like assess how I want to do something. I don't know I don't know what that time away that maybe that's what the time away gave me is like more patience.

SPEAKER_02 9:30

But to your question, well it sounds like I'm just an interpreter because I'm actually someone who our Nate and I share a practice space with other bands and we're s recently got them wired up so we can record our own albums. So we're both going through the process of learning that like the tech and like what sounds okay on that end, but learning also how to write in that environment where you have sort of unlimited time, unlimited takes, and you I can finally do like a decent demo and hear myself and all those things, but I can see it spiraling out of control very quickly. Oh, the since we were talking about the moment. Yeah, Nate's okay.

SPEAKER_09 10:05

I would say this was like the most constrainted project from start to finish because we were part of a songwriting challenge. So the constraint is you have two weeks to write your song, but he would have a week, my guitarist Jeremiah, he would have a week to write the guitar part, and then I would have the rest of the week to write the vocal and lyric part. But sometimes he would send it and I have like two days or one day. So it's like 30 minutes of of scribble of just like shut the door and write and make it happen. Because you got till midnight to like send it in. So there was like that constraint, and then that became the demo. And then we were like, these songs are like 30 seconds long to a minute in the studio with like we're recording. And so I've never wrote lyrics on the fly like that. Um, but I also never worked with the producer that we were working with, um, Brock Grenfell. He's from the band Gold Casio. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:06

We fucking love years ago. Yeah. So I missed that much.

SPEAKER_09 11:10

Yeah, I was telling Jeremiah, like, I want to work with somebody who has sort of like a dancy vibe with like some beats in there to like change it, to like fuse it, fuse our like folk sound, folk rock sound with like dance. I love it. And it was amazing. Yeah, like really makes sense. Yeah, it was so cool working with Brock. He was like the like, he's he's like the secret sauce. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_11 11:34

I like the electronic drums and stuff you wouldn't really. Not that I'm used to playing too. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 11:39

Can you hear Brock in there now that I'm like saying it?

SPEAKER_03 11:42

It totally makes sense. That's so cool. I could also see him like rigging up uh LED like sound responses to all your drum pads in the recording studio just for fun. Yeah. Because the guy he likes his lights. Yeah. He likes his sounds.

SPEAKER_09 11:55

Yeah, everything's like gold in his studio in New York. That's awesome. Everything's gold Casio-esque. Yeah. That's nice.

SPEAKER_11 12:04

So a riff guy lives in New York who writes kind of the music and the riffs and then Lee writing the songs on top of it.

SPEAKER_02 12:12

So with that, like there's a lot of like beat makers and stuff. Like the hip hop world operates remotely in a lot of ways because of the technology. What is that process? Like, does he just send you the next riff that he hears in his head, or do you have like you give him some some parameters of things you're looking for?

SPEAKER_09 12:28

No, so it's just me and Jeremiah, the guitarist. We put the whole bones together, and then when we're ready to record, we're right there with him, develop he's developing it right then and there in the moment. Last summer we were it wasn't this last summer, but two summers ago. We were um his brother was taking up the studio time, our precious like eight hours that we needed. And so we spent like half of the day in the backyard, in their backyard, and he had like this little beat machine, and we were like, that could work, and they're just programming it right there and like outside in the yard. So we're like finishing the songs. So yeah, it kind of happens in the studio, basically.

SPEAKER_02 13:12

Well, that makes uh a lot of sense because we're gonna play right now. Well, you you you guys were generous enough to play two live tunes, uh, and we're gonna play one of them here in a second, but like there was for the listeners out there, there was some trepidation that they like, quote, hadn't done this before. But you all write songs basically live, and that's why they sounded perfect, as people are about to hear. Um You told us a little bit about this pair of songs when we did the recording, so I'm gonna let that speak for itself and remind me of the name of this first one.

SPEAKER_09 13:40

The first song is called Cycling.

SPEAKER_02 13:42

Wonderful. Let's give it a spin. Live.

SPEAKER_09 13:45

I picked two. Great. Um these are like sister songs. Uh and they were written two weeks apart from each other. It was like I don't know if this is being recorded, but I'm okay with it. But the first week I was pregnant, and then two weeks later I wasn't pregnant. So it was like really intense, like emotionally, starting in like one way and then like just flipping it on his head and like just completely different. Yeah, so it was weird. Yeah, that's why they're sisters, and you'd think it would be like the exciting one is the first song, but it's actually like, oh, you're pregnant. Like, that's weird, like, because you weren't for so long, and then you're like, what do I do now? How do I like start my life? Like, I don't know. Like every if you've ever had kids, like your life flashes before your eyes in one day, and you're like, Oh my god, what am I doing? But uh, yeah, so the song is called Cycling.

SPEAKER_07 15:18

Loading my life away for you, but you're here now, I can't believe it, but you're here now I can't see it. But you're here now. Is this a dream? Is this a dream? Is this a dream? But you're here now I can't believe it. But you're here now I can unsee it. But you're here now Is it a dream? Is this a dream? Is this a dream?

SPEAKER_02 17:16

You were talking about like writing lyrics very quickly. Did the songs that we're hearing and that are on the EP, do they come fast? Because there is, you know, there's an emotion, there's a real feeling behind them.

SPEAKER_09 17:26

What was sort of Yeah, some of them were like very like guttural in the moment, like like just speaking my mind in the moment and totally tethered to my like life experiences. And then I think during the challenge, one of them I was in Mexico during that that specific challenge, and I was with my buddy, and I was like, hey, you wanna just you got any tracks? Just send me one. And so like sometimes like when you're doing a songwriting challenge, you're like you're drawing in like what's around you. So that track uh is not anywhere, you know, it's just hiding. I think there's like eight of them. Eight or nine of them, but yeah, Pokemon and the tall grass. Yeah, yeah. And so I just like to challenge people and say, like, will you do this? Will you give this a shot and try this? And will you will you uh I know you're a solo artist, will you bring a band for a show that we're doing? And yeah, it's cool. I try to work with like uh pop-up artists too, like uh people who are like vendors. And uh we had who was it, Jasmine. She'd never done it before. And I was like, you could totally set up a table and boom, there you go. You know.

SPEAKER_11 18:56

Yeah, so they're stuck with us. Oh, that's so cool. Why don't you got me to play harmonica in one song and then I'm still around? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:04

Yeah, you'll be you'll get those six members sooner than you think.

SPEAKER_11 19:08

Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_09 19:09

Yeah, yeah. Try to keep it small.

SPEAKER_11 19:10

She had a violin on at Showdown. Gosh. Wow, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:15

Yeah, yeah. And we had uh we had Jerry here who lives in New York, and it was really fun having two guitarists. So I'm like, can we make it? First time with two guitars.

SPEAKER_02 19:25

Did you do the the harmonizing? Like, is that no? No, we didn't we didn't get we didn't get that far.

SPEAKER_11 19:30

I was a little intimidated because I've been he's playing, I learned all his parts, the rhythm, and then he came in and he's like, I'm gonna play my rhythm parts, just yeah, because that's his thing. So I was finding just secondary stuff to do. And it was kind of just like, how am I gonna fit everything in? But um, I think it really rock and roll, the rock and roll songs just felt heavy with two distorted guitars, and it's cool. Yeah, really. And I'm sure all the people that had seen Greta Seabird several times, they hadn't seen it like that with two guitars, so I think they enjoyed seeing something different.

SPEAKER_03 19:59

That's a huge draw too, like as a fan of bands, to just be like, I don't know what's gonna happen tonight. They could have a completely different line up, they could write a song out of thin air tonight. We don't know. That that's a big draw.

SPEAKER_09 20:12

We went to Seattle like a month ago, and um prior to that Seattle trip that was like Joel's first trip out of town, we we all went to the next episode.

SPEAKER_02 20:28

But it is far north of Vancouver with an old leather suitcase closer stickers of a neck.

SPEAKER_10 20:36

Yeah, satchel.

SPEAKER_09 20:39

But yeah, we were we were going out of town and earlier that week we were doing like jams, like open jams, and I'm that's not my thing, but I like watching it. Uh but that's gonna mean for karaoke. I love karaoke, but I don't know, something about a jam is like funny because it's like a lot of people are kind of doing their thing they're familiar with, and it's like I can't get I feel like if it was like a noise like uh collaborative art thing, I would be down. Because like if it was like Velvet Underground something random, I would be down so hard. But like I don't know, but so I just like watching. But so we played a show at the Sunset Tavern in Seattle. Sunset and Wednesday night, it was bobbin.

SPEAKER_11 21:24

We got very lucky. I don't know how you can go out of town and have people come on. It's a Wednesday night.

SPEAKER_09 21:29

Yeah, I don't know either, but uh we made a lot of memories, like just hanging with people and meeting everybody. But I remember one of our songs, I I was in charge of like triggering the beats. Um but did you build a big red button?

SPEAKER_02 21:47

Because that would be the same.

SPEAKER_11 21:48

He's got a DJ Pioneer thing, right? It's like the mini pioneer. It's all night for the you know, we play with DJ.

SPEAKER_09 21:57

Do you ever like do the robot a little bit and then push the button? Yeah, just like in it. Yeah. I just I was scared, I think. Because I'm like, if I press the wrong button, it's like we played we played the song here and we start that song a little like just the just the beat happening and then we improvise over it. And so like sometimes I use that to like either get people's attention or bring people in who are like outside smoking or something. I just like just wait for like the mood and like find out what this room needs. And I was like, anyone got like an instrument? Like right in the middle of the beat of the song. He's like, anyone, anyone like you got something?

SPEAKER_11 22:42

I was like, this stuff is going on a lot longer than we practiced.

SPEAKER_09 22:47

This guy, this guy from one of the bands named Al, who I had just talked to, we see him run across the room, and we're like, he's gonna go get an instrument. And he grabbed his clarinet and just like joined us on stage, and it was so funny.

SPEAKER_11 23:03

Just like an 808 like thump.

SPEAKER_09 23:05

Yeah, we did not see that coming, but we were we were just like, yep, clarinet, also one of the most underrated uh woman that there is, too.

SPEAKER_03 23:13

Yeah, very rich, very, very mellow. Yeah, just as much as I hate a saxophone, that's how much I love a clarinet. Yeah, clarinet is like uh a sexy saxophone.

SPEAKER_02 23:22

Yeah, if a saxophone like had self-respect, it would be a clarinet.

SPEAKER_03 23:26

Yeah, it's kind of bullshit that saxophones are so close to being called saxophones, and I don't like them at all.

SPEAKER_11 23:30

You got something against saxophones. Yeah, I played for like five years.

SPEAKER_02 23:37

Andy's I I feel like I was neutral on them, but for uh several decades of knowing Andy and his hatred, I think he's convinced me. Fuck yeah, like a show off instrument, right?

SPEAKER_11 23:47

Or you walk to the front, you're automatically really loud if you're not being mic'd.

SPEAKER_03 23:52

I see somebody pick up a saxophone. I guess it's my turn. That's my like uh cue to go take a piss. Andy, how about this though? Look, would it be? Sometimes I'm like, maybe I should just piss right in their stupid saxophone and we'll see you play. Can you play through that junky piss, bro? Because that's what it sounds like coming out of the room. I would love a saxophone if it scorted pits all over the room.

SPEAKER_02 24:11

Like you would be like, that's my instrument. A Gigi saxophone. What if the guy I think I'm okay with it live when the guy is like drenched in sweat? Like when it is the sweatiest human you've ever seen. Like the guy from the Lost Boys. They rip off of just a fat sack solo, but they're just they're just wet to the touch.

SPEAKER_03 24:28

Do you guys remember that? I forget this guy's name, so I can't really talk too much on it, but there was the movie The Lost Boys, and there's that dude that it's like a super muscly dude who's like almost naked and playing on the beach and just so sweaty. Like wet.

SPEAKER_02 24:40

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 24:41

And he has a career, he tours all over the country, so he's a legend.

unknown 24:44

Totally.

SPEAKER_03 24:45

Wet sax movie.

SPEAKER_09 24:47

Lost boys like T or Sutherland.

SPEAKER_03 24:48

It was a movie, yeah. It was about team vampire movie.

SPEAKER_09 24:53

I feel like I feel like my husband would know.

SPEAKER_11 24:56

Yeah. Tim's like you didn't know Lost Boys.

SPEAKER_09 24:58

He probably wouldn't could answer for me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:01

Yeah. Longtime listeners of the podcast are so mad at me right now for not knowing the wet saxophone man's name. But that's how much I hate saxophones.

SPEAKER_11 25:09

Okay, so you're not liking a saxophone's a pretty known thing. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:13

But I have to say Nate has called me out on this a lot lately where I've been at a show and someone's been playing a saxophone, and I'm not super upset. And the older I get, the less I fucking care.

SPEAKER_02 25:24

I know.

SPEAKER_03 25:25

Being angry about somebody playing an instrument is such a young man's game.

SPEAKER_08 25:28

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 25:29

You know?

SPEAKER_02 25:30

When you said that they were gonna get an instrument, I thought for sure it was gonna be spoons. I just thought I just thought there were gonna be like five people that whipped out a pair of spoons and just were clacking along to that thump.

SPEAKER_03 25:40

I was a dishwasher for a lot of my teen years, and I thought I swooped ass at the spoon. I thought I was so good at it, but uh man, I bet I wasn't.

SPEAKER_11 25:49

Last time I tried to pull them out, I'm like, I this didn't really work. Like I thought it was going to maybe I need to watch a YouTube video or something.

SPEAKER_02 25:56

I feel like the distance between the world's best spoon player and the world's worst spoon player is not very big. I don't think that delta is super huge. Well, the best spoon player. You're on that spectrum, Andy.

SPEAKER_03 26:07

He has a song about him, the spoon man himself. That's gotta be the best one, right?

SPEAKER_02 26:11

And they had to drown those spoons in guitars and bass and drums to make them palatable.

SPEAKER_03 26:16

There's not a lot of spoons in the song, Spoon Man. Spoon Man? Yeah, it's a Soundgarden gun.

SPEAKER_08 26:20

Oh, okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:21

He feels the rhythm with his hands. Spoon. Spoon man. And you think it would be like a lot of spoon noises. He's he's in the video spooning, doing his thing, but mostly it's just Soundgarten.

SPEAKER_02 26:33

The thing is about your music though, that you were alluding to this earlier, but if spoons were in your music, it would fucking work because every iteration that you've described, like the songs just like seamlessly blend into that. Like is that something I mean, I don't know how you would do that intentionally, but there's just something about your songs that map onto any kind of style. Do you have a certain kind of style that you haven't tried yet that you would really be curious to try?

SPEAKER_09 27:00

Um so country.

SPEAKER_11 27:02

Good question. Let's talk about country.

SPEAKER_09 27:06

Well, so like there's I have like a love-hate relationship with country because of the people. I enjoy singing, I love singing, but sometimes I feel like country is too easy and it's like too like it's too like you win it, like when you do it.

SPEAKER_03 27:25

And it's real baby shit.

SPEAKER_09 27:28

Yeah, yeah, just like and I just country baby shit. Like I want it to be a little like I want to live like on the edge a little bit where it's a little hard and it sounds almost like off. Like not not wrong, but like just a little the element of struggle is present. Interesting. You know, uh I really love um the artist SG Goodman.

SPEAKER_02 27:49

I don't know about them, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_09 27:51

She she's uh I think she's from Kentucky, and uh she just has this like beautiful, like crisp voice, and she you can hear her straining at times, and from like the low to the high, it's like a huge range, but it's one voice and one like really intense meaning behind it also.

SPEAKER_02 28:10

Can you give us an example of like what like what pushing it sounds like? Like you were talking about her voice straining a little bit. What are there other examples of like what pushing it?

SPEAKER_09 28:18

Sounds like called um what is it? But oh I know the I know the how the song goes, and she's like never gonna leave this wool. She's going like way above all the way down. Without saying I love you.

SPEAKER_02 28:44

That's one of those things that's like you have to know the fundamentals so well to be able to break the rules, like or you know, to break that. Like your instrument there is so refined that when you break it, it sounds like the most beautiful thing I've ever sang in my entire life. So uh I get I hear what you're saying, but I feel like that takes tons of control and like emotional resonance. Like, how do you feel like when you are need to sing something? How do you tap into a feeling? Like, what is the experience of like drawing from your emotions to create a sound actually like?

SPEAKER_09 29:15

I think that I need to feel like I'm really alone. And so like having roommates in the past was hard because I was like, I need to go to a space where nothing where I can't hear someone hearing me. Cause like I can sometimes I can feel like someone's listening when I'm like the wall, and it's like I'm just thinking about them and they're taking away from all of my like my own. Like that feeling someone's staring at you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:45

Oh man, I used to love that. I would play this game with my friend. We worked at uh we worked at Amway, uh that one of those like giant factories that makes like shampoo bottles and shit. You sold soap shaped like pennies. We were both on assembly lines on the opposite side of like these factory buildings, and my favorite thing ever to do was just look at him and give him the finger when he wasn't looking at me until he would look over. Because you know you eventually you're gonna feel like somebody's staring at you and you look over. And I've been giving you the finger the whole time, buddy. I probably looked hilarious and not funny at the same time to everyone else around me, where I was just doing my job but like staring at him with my finger the whole time where you did that. Solid like six minutes. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 30:23

I grew up with two brothers and one was older, one was younger, and they always wanted to like come into my room and like like just be brothers, and like so I wanted to always shut my door and just like be in my room and listen to soft rock or something. And like single. The car.

SPEAKER_02 30:45

It turns out that a lot of people use their car as like a little fake uh vocal. 100%. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 30:53

I I can relate to that so hard. Like it's uh so during that five year break I took, I got surgery on my throat for like thyroid, and it it really uh just stopped my like singing. And I went to a doctor and they were like yeah, just don't let a day go by where you don't say anything. Just project, do things that that make that keep your vocal cords warmed up because we don't want them to kind of sit in one location. You want to keep moving.

SPEAKER_03 31:27

So like Yeah, they'll end up looking like those creatures on the bottom of the ocean and little mermaid.

SPEAKER_09 31:31

Yeah, there was two things that I did. That was poor and force. They were like vivid things I I intentionally did, and one was um listen to Justin Bieber's Justice album. Oh and I sang that. It was like in a nice residue. Yeah, yeah. He's he's a good singer. I I know people hate him, but like I know before it's okay to hate the Justin Bieber train, the Taylor Swift train. Yeah, people hate certain songs, so whatever. Yeah, yeah. I'm just thinking of people who are like, no, yeah. But I I I was like, this is what I need, and I just did it in traffic from like Beaverton to North Portland.

SPEAKER_03 32:16

Beaverton, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 32:18

Or like Beaverton. And then I yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:22

Excellent.

SPEAKER_09 32:23

Yeah, excellent work. I ended up seeing at the Moda Center by myself, yeah. Oh wow. And I was like, I'm alone, but I'm surrounded by my family.

SPEAKER_03 32:31

I feel that way sometimes, yeah. When I I'm not I'm with you. Sometimes I'm like, I don't know if I want to go to this show, and then I go to a show, and I'm if it's somebody that I really love, it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_09 32:41

It doesn't. It didn't matter.

SPEAKER_03 32:42

You're part of the whole thing.

SPEAKER_02 32:44

I, in fact, as people who listen to the show know I'm a 311 fan, which is an embarrassing fan. Whoa. And uh I will refuse to go with somebody I know to see 311. I have to go by myself. Well, what? It's a solo voyage? Well, I uh I went last summer and uh Nate's friend, our buddy Kyle, was there, and they're big fans, so it was a it was a soft landing spot for me, and they were very warm towards my enthusiasms, and we hung out between sort of like openers, but then when it was you know Well, you're a rail dude. It was amber time, I was right up front.

SPEAKER_03 33:15

Yeah, you're right there. You're you're rail dude for 311. I had the herb. You want to see peanuts bulge. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 33:21

Yeah exactly.

SPEAKER_02 33:22

It's funny, I always scream at the top of my lungs. Show us your bulge.

SPEAKER_03 33:27

I didn't like 311 until I saw that live concert tour video they put out back in the day, and then it was like, oh, they're getting paid in weed and mushrooms, and there's all this foot footage of them tripping in like their tour bus and like screaming like pterodactyls.

SPEAKER_02 33:39

Well, you're in luck because tomorrow as we're recording this is 311 day, Annie. So you can emerge 11th. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:45

Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_02 33:46

Um, I'm always gonna just plant the seeds of 311 if I can, and I certainly relate to needing to feel alone with them.

SPEAKER_09 33:55

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:56

Just know that I've always been down.

SPEAKER_09 33:59

Oh the second the second thing I was doing to like rehab my voice was I would go to the Blazers games and sit in the 300s.

SPEAKER_02 34:09

And just scream terrible things. Just scream.

SPEAKER_09 34:12

And this was like mask mask mode, and so like we s I just take your mouse down, just yell and just watch the game. It was great. I love it. I love it. It was great.

SPEAKER_02 34:27

It's pretty obvious. This is like a total on the nose thing to say, but it's still pretty amazing that to make the things in your body best, you have to use them a ton. Like I was thinking about like to make your heart stronger, you have to like make it thumping dangerously in your chest for extended periods of time, and that makes you healthier. And that's crazy that your voice the road to recovery was not rest, but like exertion.

SPEAKER_03 34:51

Yeah, I think it's threatening to push your body farther than it wants to go. So it has to get stronger.

SPEAKER_11 34:56

Was that your five-year break too, where you were talking about music?

SPEAKER_09 34:59

Yeah, well, it was like COVID was long and letting yourself give give yourself permission to go back into the world was like, you know, what am I doing? I might be different.

SPEAKER_03 35:09

So you dedicated five hard years to the Blazers. Yeah, rocking up and down a couple of seasons. They did not thank you for your dedication.

SPEAKER_09 35:17

I was relieved like when when COVID happened, I was relieved because it we played a show with my uh old band, Lee and the Bees, and um we were like, we don't know when this is how long this is going, but I was relieved because I couldn't breathe. Like when I when I was inhaling, you could hear it over the microphone. And then I was like, You were a super spreader. Yeah. I was just like when I was inhaling because of the thyroid thing.

SPEAKER_02 35:48

But at least you had an explanation.

SPEAKER_08 35:51

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:53

Um well Andy, I think we're gonna before we played the uh the second beautiful tune that the band played. Uh maybe we listened to something you've been popping to this week.

SPEAKER_03 36:06

I got you. I got you so hard. Check this shit out.

SPEAKER_02 36:10

Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 36:11

This shit this shit really rips. Uh this is a band from Phoenix, Arizona. Okay. And they are called Swamp Bitch. Alright. And they are gonna rip your face off.

SPEAKER_02 36:21

I actually think I listened to them this week.

SPEAKER_03 36:22

In a different way. Coincidentally. No way. I think so. I think so. I'm trying to pull this up. There it is. Uh yeah, they have an album out that's called Sweet Surprise. And uh they're a two-piece, and man, I really fucking love this band. Uh check these guys out in their band camp. Look for them coming to your town. They call themselves uh this is just a little blurb on their band camp, and I have to read it because it's great. Uh it's a pseudo-scientific and psychosexual exercise in simplicity.

SPEAKER_02 36:50

I like it.

SPEAKER_03 36:51

And this song is called The Hand That Holds the Gun.

SPEAKER_02 36:54

Let's give it a read.

SPEAKER_06 36:56

I had a dream, my daddy died. And I watched his Facebook video. Of him as a young man. Doing backflips of the neck of Bronco.

SPEAKER_05 37:29

I could heal those demons in your throat as you draw the gun in the peasant side door. I'm laughing, shut the groceries door, Clothes had it on back, it's bleeding on the floor.

SPEAKER_04 37:44

And the hand that holds the gun, it could be the one that you hold in your great swamber. And the hand that holds the gun is the only one. And the hand that holds the gun, it could be the one that you hold in your space lumber. And the hand that holds the gun is the only one.

SPEAKER_05 38:24

I'm out of the battery downtown. Um feeling just like Misty Taylor. He plays a strange DJ's bed.

SPEAKER_04 38:35

It roots of pestilence and danger. And the hand that holds the gun could be the one that you hold yours lumber. And the end of the gun is the only one. And the end holds the kind of people that you hold yourself. And the end of the gun is the only one.

SPEAKER_05 39:32

And right about now living.

SPEAKER_03 39:45

Well, I've been talking to a lot of bots and uh giving our information out to all of them, so I'm pretty sure it's gonna work out for us in like a really good way. They're all wanting us to be like brand ambassadors, and all I have to do is like buy a bunch of their products and promote it. Well, the first one was that sunglasses factory that I probably should not talk about on the air because their shit was whack. Well, it was super expensive.

SPEAKER_11 40:06

Oh.

SPEAKER_03 40:06

And I bought two pairs of just very futuristic sunglasses that are not made for my size head. They're for tiny people, but it was cool. It was like the whole top half of your head is sunglasses. It was fucking cool.

SPEAKER_02 40:19

And yet they were too small?

SPEAKER_03 40:20

And then the other ones were like Billy Eilish.

SPEAKER_02 40:22

You made them look like normal sunglasses? Yeah. He said, No, I want the whole top of the head to be covered in every jump.

SPEAKER_03 40:28

It's like your whole forehead is sunglasses. It's pretty cool, but it's thinking of Derek Punk. Yeah, that's the one I was so hoping we could go for, but then I was like, man, I don't think we can pull this off. And then these guys were like, that's a scam. It was for Hogarby. How much did you pay for those sunglasses? And I was like, there were$40 in a steal at that time. But I mean, if you guys want to pay, I got that was with the discount.

SPEAKER_02 40:48

That this is for all you advertisers out there. That's how gullible we are. We will just throw you$40 for almost nothing. See what happens. Just give us an undersized pair of sunglasses. I'm into it. We're getting near the spring. I have to once again solve the sunglasses problem. Uh which is I'm not paying. I have a hard cap.$19. The 7-Eleven prices.$19. But yet I do expect a high enough quality and I want I want big ones. I want big fucking sunglasses. Can I give you a tip? Please do.

SPEAKER_03 41:17

By all means. There's a company called Lokes. They make the fucking coolest sunglasses and they sell them at top to bottom. Are they for a wide-headed gentleman like myself? Some. And because you're at top to bottom, it's kind of what they have. So I ended up just trying on a lot of them, but those are good, big blocky ones. You kind of feel like the Terminator or like the lead singer of Cypress Hill. Fucking rules. Okay, okay. It's a good look. I think you'd you'd rock them real hard.

SPEAKER_02 41:41

There was a pair I got at Music Millennium like eight years ago. Best pair of Music Millennium? Were they part of like a musical ocean? Lost them at uh I think I lost them at Treefort, as a matter of fact.

SPEAKER_03 41:52

What were they? Were they like a special insert for a record? No, no.

SPEAKER_02 41:56

They were just a nice, like darker tortoiseshell brown.

SPEAKER_09 42:00

Um I think they put magnets in those, and they just attract you to like lose them.

SPEAKER_02 42:06

Like they just were so disciplined about it, and then I think it just fell out of my pocket.

SPEAKER_03 42:10

They're gonna like just that's what happens with sunglasses.

SPEAKER_02 42:14

No, it's just like when it was their time, it was their time.

SPEAKER_03 42:17

I got a little trivia for you guys. What state buys the most sunglasses?

SPEAKER_11 42:23

California.

SPEAKER_08 42:24

That's what I thought you would think.

SPEAKER_03 42:25

I'm gonna say Alaska because they're always out in the wilderness. Alaska's a good guess, too. It's actually Washington. Washington State. Because you only need them once in a while and you fucking lose them and you have to buy a new pair all of a sudden. So everybody's always buying sunglasses. Because they get those sunbreak days where it's just like, man, it's been gray.

SPEAKER_11 42:43

Yeah, I had to search for mine. Like one day I needed them, like in the past two weeks, and I was like, all right, where have my sunglasses been?

SPEAKER_01 42:50

I will say a cloudy day too can be really bright. Oh, it's real nice. It can be so bright, you gotta put your shades on.

SPEAKER_03 42:56

I'm a big fan of this. I only wear sunglasses that I get at like street fairs and like uh bank kiosk spin the prize wheel thing. Yeah, you gotta get a big collection. The problem is those shits look tiny on me. I kind of look like uh I don't know, like a poster for look who's talking about. Like I'm like I keep growing. Like I've I'm I'm slowly outgrowing my sunglasses and they're becoming a part of my face.

unknown 43:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 43:21

Do you both just have bigger heads?

SPEAKER_02 43:23

Yeah, it's like if they're both talking about the the arms of them start to get absorbed by the skin of my upper head, you know, and they're just like being swallowed and grafted to my skin. That's the problem that I have.

SPEAKER_03 43:31

And it'll say, like uh, you know, f fucking Wells Fargo, like across the lenses or something.

SPEAKER_09 43:38

I just watched a documentary on Velvet Underground, and they were very like specific about wearing sunglasses. Like that was like the thing.

SPEAKER_03 43:48

They did have cool ass sunglasses.

SPEAKER_09 43:50

And I was like, maybe I should take this up.

unknown 43:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 43:53

We're supposed to be doing a tribute. Too cool. We're signing up for a tribute show or might play a Velvet Underground. Yeah, that's cool. Nice.

SPEAKER_02 44:00

Okay, can y'all talk me into them? Because this is my this is my hate zone, but I'm not gonna like shit into anyone's love. I know they're they're historically significant and people love them, but what's your what resonates about them for y'all?

SPEAKER_09 44:14

I I'm a product of art school and so I'm artist first, musician second. And so like when I first started like 15 years ago, it was like when I'm playing an acoustic guitar, I hear I see wood and string and sound. You know, so that to me resonates with like Andy Warhol, who was the manager or producer for The Velvet Underground. He was like the the curator for uh for their work and stuff. So that's kind of my attachment to that.

SPEAKER_03 44:51

I love them so much. I've got a big appreciation for them. Um I would say if you want to casually dip your toe in it, because I know you like 60s psychedelic, check out the album Loaded. There's a lot of bangers on there that are just kind of more upbeat. I've listened to it. And if you want to go a more dark psychedelic, the self-titled is amazing. The one covered. That one's amazing. Um, I mean, that's Lou Reed though. Lou Reed as a poet is pretty unparalleled. You may love or or hate his voice. I'm a big fan of bad singers. I love people who don't sound like they can do it, just fucking doing it. So Lou Reed to me is one of those people that's just like, man, the dude is not singing. He is talking, and every once in a while he does it, it's cool. He's so cool. I mean, Bob Dylan, Tom Waits, fucking Daniel Johnston, like these are my heroes. Yeah, there's Wesley Willis, people who are just getting it.

SPEAKER_02 45:42

Well, you all have struck a vein of like this conversation is something I've been thinking about a lot recently, because I just have come to the conclusion that when it comes to like my tastes in things, I'm like a small cutscene conservative. Like I want the normal version of it. Like I don't have a strong tolerance for experimentation. Um I remember so I have my uh master's in book publishing. Um and when I was in school, there were all these people that were trying to like reinvent the the the book. Like that was the big thing with like should we use technology to like reinvent the book? Like here's our new spin on the novel. And I'm like, all these and I was always like yeah, I mean that's four yeah, like f the narrative is formally inventive or something like that. And I'm like, the book is pretty good. We haven't like we haven't gotten to the end of its usefulness in its form. And I I just happen to prefer that version, and I think that I see that like following through every aspect of my taste. Um, but I'm always I'm very jealous of people who just vibe on more what I would consider more interesting things or like more.

SPEAKER_03 46:49

Check this out. My sister-in-law, she buys a lot of books from the bins or like Goodwill that are just like really cheap, and she'll be reading them, and she just tears out the pages as she reads them and burns them in the campfire while she's camping. And it seems like it's cool. That's really great. I don't need that part, I already read it, and now the fire started. That shit's crazy. Okay, I was shocked.

SPEAKER_02 47:17

This is not like I'm not grilling y'all, but like what is cool about that stuff? Like, what do you respond to about Lou Reed's voice or the fact that they're wearing sunglasses, which sounds almost like it could be a cliche. But obviously when they do it, it's fucking cool, and I I can't argue that. What is it? What do you what do you feel like you're t tuning into there?

SPEAKER_08 47:37

Yeah, I don't know. I like I yeah.

SPEAKER_09 47:43

Well, I I kinda it's funny because going back to like Greta Seabird, there is like uh there is like a very like lockstep sound to everything. It's very like poppy. Um but we try to create that room for like experimentation by not writing the whole song in the studio and uh but just um I don't know, leaving space for for something weird to happen. Uh and like when I was watching the documentary, they were talking about how the rock and roll bands around at the time were like all wearing suits and it was like you just couldn't don't do the suit thing. Um come as you are, and the way Andy Warhol would respond to that, like, do you want me to do a retake of this? And his response was like, That sounds good, you know, that sounds great. I like it. And that he didn't ask for them to change anything, he just wanted it to sound the way it sounded, and that was like his pure the purest form of of music listening that you could capture.

SPEAKER_03 48:51

Yeah, they were kind of the grateful dead of the acid scene of the art world of the East Coast, kind of right around the same time where they were counterculture, and there was a lot of drugs happening, and there was a lot of just like mind expansion happening. So the music kind of like was like didn't they just like record everything? And it was just like a lot of it wasn't like that.

SPEAKER_09 49:14

People were recording them and then right typing it out what they were saying and doing and keeping logs and maybe just being busy, you know.

SPEAKER_03 49:22

It's crazy. It was probably so intense to be in that world. Yeah, but so much cool stuff came out.

SPEAKER_11 49:30

Yeah, don't mean it's a lot of it. It was very like art is life, life is art. Yeah, yeah.

unknown 49:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:37

Well, I mean, I don't want to poke this bear too much because I I totally take y'all's point. You're all every like layer you add of description to what works about this pushes it further and further from music. And that I guess is my core disagreement with the premise. But the world I want the best song.

SPEAKER_03 49:54

The world of them, though, the studio albums that they did record, there's a lot of cool stuff is going on in there. They have a lot of amazing songs. Uh I really like Venus and Furs. Yeah, I was just gonna say that.

SPEAKER_00 50:05

Venus and Furs is amazing.

SPEAKER_03 50:07

Those are cool songs and they're really well put together, and they have a lot of cool instrumentation and a lot of deep lyrics. The heroine, the song heroin is so moody and cool.

SPEAKER_11 50:16

Um they were in a lot of skate videos. They were they were in like the flip sorry video. Yeah. So I was that's how I was introduced. And I remember rock and roll was in a um this one like 2005, so right at the prime age, and just all these skaters skating to like Yeah, it was just sick. So that song's just ingrained in my mind.

SPEAKER_03 50:33

Yeah, I do love that song.

SPEAKER_11 50:34

Rock and roll is pretty awesome.

SPEAKER_08 50:36

Yeah, it's like merging mass production and like avant-garde.

SPEAKER_02 50:41

I sort of also feel like, and again, this is total like self-consciousness on my part, is like I feel like you have to get it to get it, and I don't get it, and there's a little bit of like there's a little bit of jealousy about that, honestly. But there's a there's a cool crew. And music is like one of the enduring places where coolness does matter. An indelible sense of just like this ineffable sense of what is cool. Like that does matter. Y'all like alluded to wearing you know, specific you have a specific look on stage. Um how did you come to decide what that presentation was going to be?

SPEAKER_09 51:15

Um, a lot of it is just like probably before a show.

SPEAKER_11 51:21

She's like, it's denim night.

SPEAKER_09 51:23

Yeah, we just pick we pick something and we all try to look the same.

SPEAKER_03 51:27

You could pick a theme. Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 51:29

She does, yes.

SPEAKER_03 51:30

That's it. That's so funny. Last time it was literally look cool.

SPEAKER_11 51:34

Yes, instructions. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so we had a cool show with no pants for today.

SPEAKER_09 51:40

Yeah, just like today was band shirt or band shirt or cool graphic tees.

SPEAKER_02 51:47

You were really matching the energy of the house. Yeah, you're in good shape.

SPEAKER_09 51:51

Because I was like, I want to come here and shout out bands. That's it.

SPEAKER_01 51:55

There was one time we were on a little mini tour and we stopped in Yelm, Washington to like do a show. Or we at least stayed there at least.

SPEAKER_00 52:05

The show was canceled, so we had to go to Yelm.

SPEAKER_01 52:07

So we went so we stayed in Yelm and then we went to Goodwill. It was like this old Goodwill with like the retro sign, and like we both like bought clothes individually there, and then we got back to the hotel or the Airbnb. It was like a cabin thing, and we're like, okay, what are we gonna wear? We both ended up wearing outfits that we'd gotten at that Goodwill, and they were like both like plaid, like kind of 90s style, like it was perfect.

SPEAKER_02 52:30

The good thing is that those clothes belong to somebody that was gonna be in the audience, you know, like they might have really seen themselves on stage.

SPEAKER_03 52:37

The name of that town kind of sounds like someone answering the phone really slow. Yeah. Yeah, it could be the new phone greeting.

SPEAKER_01 52:45

We did a karaoke in Yelm too at this like yeah, what was it called? Like a It was an Eagles Eagles Lodge.

SPEAKER_03 52:51

Amazing.

SPEAKER_01 52:52

And um, they're like, yeah, you can join us for the What were they rocking?

SPEAKER_03 52:57

What was the big hits in there? Was it a lot of 80s jams? Garth Wall-to-wall season. Oh, Garth Brooks. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 53:04

Uh but you know what? It's fun. That was a fun night because they quickly realized that we were in a band because everybody was like just power singing and like and then they were like, Do you want to do a gig? And they offered us a gig like within two months or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 53:21

But that's a testament to all the bands out there. Go out and do karaoke in small towns, and maybe it'll work out for you. Everything has a group as well for you again.

SPEAKER_02 53:33

It's like in movies when they're like backstage before the show, like, there's a guy from the record company out there.

SPEAKER_03 53:38

Um I was at the strip club with four of my friends, and all the people there were like, Are you guys a band? And I was like, hell yeah, and we're playing warp tour this weekend. And they were like, Oh shit, what's your band called? And I was like, Bathtub shitter, and they were like, That's not real. And I pushed it too far because that is a real band that I love, and I was like, We can pretend to be bathtub shitter.

SPEAKER_09 54:02

Maybe Diarrhea Planet.

SPEAKER_03 54:03

Yeah, we it didn't work, they didn't believe us. It was the the the fucking cover was blown immediately. We were just four dudes at a strip club at four o'clock on a Tuesday eating steak.

SPEAKER_09 54:15

I I think this is like maybe phase two is like wearing your show gear out in public when you're like on tour. So people do give you the like the look nod, like oh yeah. Well, you know what?

SPEAKER_02 54:27

Like at Halloween, everyone you know wears costumes or whatever, and like a lot of people, in my opinion, whenever I see my friends like kill a costume, I'm like, this should just be your look. And you think that I'm being sarcastic, but you look amazing, yeah, and I think you should incorporate this at all times.

SPEAKER_09 54:41

Yeah, I was chapel roan for Halloween this year. Yeah, why if I go back to I had the red wig and I didn't tease it or anything on like you know, you do Halloween like five times. Yeah, so I I was doing chapel like three times, and like the first time I had my hair down just with the wig. The second time I was like, all right, I know how to tease this, I know how to stand it up. And I walked into like the lollipop shop with like this huge like bun head, and then all of a sudden they start playing chapel roan, and like I'm like dancing with everybody. Like that's me. They're like, put it on.

SPEAKER_02 55:14

And I bet it's like fabulous to go.

SPEAKER_09 55:16

Yeah, and then I went to karaoke at High Watermark.

SPEAKER_03 55:19

Oh, it's so fun, it's so fun getting dressed up.

SPEAKER_09 55:21

It was and I did Chapel Rone, and it was amazing. What song did you do? Um, that's the Pink Pony Club.

SPEAKER_03 55:29

Red Wine Supernova. That song rules. Yeah, it was great. I'm a big fan of Chapel Roan.

SPEAKER_09 55:34

Uh same, same.

SPEAKER_02 55:37

Um, well, I would love to play the second tune you all did because we get a little harmonica in that, a little mouth harp from Joel. Yeah. Sounded great. Sounded amazing. This was the one there was a wee bit of trepidation about, but it was uh note perfect, and uh it's a real banger. What was the name of this one?

SPEAKER_09 55:55

The song is called uh Goodbye for Now.

SPEAKER_02 55:57

Excellent. Let's give it a spin.

SPEAKER_07 56:09

I could play this chord with just one thing. Gonna be fine. You could cycle with just one. I think I'm gonna be high. Gonna be high. It's gonna be fine. I could play this song with just one thing. I think it'll be fine. It's gonna be fine. Gonna be fine. You could in a cycle with just one, and I think we'll be fine. Gonna be fine.

SPEAKER_02 58:51

It's gotta be a so uh Alicia and Joel, I want to talk with y'all about being part of the band experience. Because it sounds like Lee, you and um Jeremiah are kind of like the the central nervous system Captain Seabird. Yeah. Which again, I think makes I mean you were talking earlier about like six equal voices means nothing happens. So sometimes you need uh a driving force, but how do you two what kind of things change after you get a song and you get your claws into it a little bit?

SPEAKER_11 59:34

Um I would say I like how Lee just kind of says what to do and where to go because I have my own band and my own stuff going on. So I'm perfectly fine with whatever Lee kind of wants, wherever she wants to go with things. And it helps that you know the the songs are good, they're catchy and stuff, and I'm like, yeah, like these songs all will kind of go wherever wherever Greta Seabird is needed. Um then the harmonica is new, yeah, yeah. And the harmonica that's kind of bringing my own little style into it.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:06

Um you guys get a lot of people asking who Greta Seabird is because it's a person's name and if there's a Greta Seabird in the band.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:15

Yeah, a lot of people call her Greta.

SPEAKER_09 1:00:17

Sometimes people call me Greta. I was gonna say, yeah, I'm just like, yeah, I'm Greta till like the end of the show.

SPEAKER_11 1:00:24

Greta when people are asking around at the merge table.

SPEAKER_09 1:00:27

I don't I don't change it or I don't I just let people like let it exist.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:31

That's Andy's well, should I get kids? I can't talk about you. You can, yeah. Your daughter's name. That's it. Yeah, my daughter's name is Greta.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:37

And I was like, oh, that's sweet. Greta Friends are alive. Single T. Uh my daughter gives people a lot of shit for having two T's. Oh no. But you know. Really? Oh yeah. That's a thing. Everybody you can spell it different.

SPEAKER_09 1:00:51

Wait, there are there's Greta's with two T's out there.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:54

Yeah, and they really let you know about it. I like it. There are Greta, yeah. My Greta is like two T's. Not for me. But you know, that's cool. Um at least I think you were both kind of some dope harmonies before we got a little digression.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:14

I definitely wanted to comment on that. Um because I I love to sing and I love the opportunity to just like be in this awesome band that has really, really great songs. And like Lee's voice is amazing. I really love singing with her. Um a lot of the harmonies, like for the earlier songs, I kind of just copied what they already did in recordings that were already done. Um, but for new songs, it's really fun to come up with new harmonies, and she gives me a lot of freedom with that. But also, if she's looking for a certain sound, she'll help me, you know. She's like, Oh, can you do this one note instead? So it's qu pretty collaborative and yeah, I love I love my job here. Yeah, I did do some recording this last summer in New York. We went to New York together and Third Time's a charm. Yeah, yeah. So that was really fun, and I'm looking forward to just yeah, doing more.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:06

Have you sang your whole life? Is this something you've done since you were?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:09

Yeah, my mom was a jazz singer in in Portland, like, and I so I was listening to jazz. I'm I'm a kind of a jazz choir kid, and I'm in a choir now too that does like more classical music. Um, so it's really fun to have a different outlet that's more like poppy and um not so serious, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:28

What is like the vocal, like um when people hear jazz, I think people think of like sort of the free form of the music or the or like a very specific drumming style, very precise drumming style. How would you like characterize what a jazz vocal is?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:44

Um yeah, it's a lot more like uh soft and like maybe sing some like interesting notes. Um has a lot to do with like following the instrumentals that are happening. Um and like in jazz there's a lot of like crazy chords, it's like way different than than pop. Um so it's fun to like play off of those notes that are played in the chords. Um yeah, and like just like really soft, like airy, soft vocals.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:10

But do you ever hear like learning to harmonize uh is like one of the most rewarding things that you could ever do because like it it sucks like 80% of the time and you're just wrong, but then you like guess right? Or this is my experience at least. Some people know how to do it, but uh when I when you guess right and it just like ooh, there it is, it's it's so fucking sick. And I've noticed that when I've I've started to hear in the chords just like the like the fifth inside the chord as like a harmony in and of itself. I've started to pick that out. Like, do they come naturally to you? Do you have like an ear for the the the the interesting place within uh a chord progression?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:48

Yeah, it does come pretty naturally to me. Unless the melody is like really has like some intricacies about it, then I kind of have to sit down at a piano and find those fits. Um but a lot of times it comes naturally.

unknown 1:04:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:02

Well, it sounded great. I'm I'm excited for the recorded version.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:06

I gotta say, if you are looking for a theme for one of your shows coming up, I could not recommend this more. See birds. You could all dress up as human bird hybrids. You could each have a bucket of fish that you munch on.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:20

We do have some dance moves that are like hardly the same. So now they have to come and watch us.

SPEAKER_09 1:04:27

That is oddly like for like some like I was thinking about something like that today.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:32

Nice. When you said bird costs all I think about. When you said bird costumes, Joel did a little arm like that. Implying that the dancing was like sort of like an Egyptian style dance flyaway thing and like pretty fabulous looking. That's pretty good.

SPEAKER_09 1:04:45

We have a guest. Well, she's on the fence, but we want her to join us for our next show um March 23rd at Mississippi Studios. Um, but I was like, maybe you should wear like a bird costume and we'll have like the bird that mix. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:01

I hope it's Larissa Birdseye. Oh, yeah. I would love to see that comment. Famously anti-bird, though.

SPEAKER_09 1:05:07

Larissa came to my very first open mic that I hosted in Portland. Oh, that's awesome. Another power.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:13

Which is where we met.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:14

Yeah, that's where we met. Yeah, at this it was Bivache Coffee Shop on Northwest 23rd, and Crapery is a couple of years.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:20

This same night that you're describing?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:21

This was the we worked there together at the coffee shop. That's awesome. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:25

Just singing people's orders back to them and we're gonna beat up the biggest. That's cool. I love how that happens.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:32

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:34

Um, well, I think you all brought a third track, right? Was there a third song that you wanted to share?

SPEAKER_09 1:05:39

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:40

Um Tell us a little bit about this one.

SPEAKER_09 1:05:42

This song is called Here, and it was it just was like a really simple folky song. And then that was like all Brock just turning up the heat and like making these fun beats. And that's the song um we had that clarinetist join us for the

SPEAKER_03 1:06:00

Yeah. Nice. So picture that. Just imagine this one with the game.

SPEAKER_11 1:06:04

This is a banger. I love this one. They got played at the Blazers timeout during whatever local thing they got. She had the video, the full thing. You can see the jumbo. I had Blazers tickets. Which game was it? Do you know which game it was? Do you remember?

SPEAKER_09 1:06:15

It's like two, was it two years ago or something? Yeah, not this season last last one.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:19

That's cool. Yeah. That's a that's a fun little place to get yourself.

SPEAKER_11 1:06:23

It'd be crazy if it was one of like to just meet. I'll be like, dude, that's me. And people see people dancing around just like Blazers.

SPEAKER_09 1:06:30

It's connected to me. It's not just your shows, your music's there. It's like I was there like with reason.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:36

You know, it's like yeah, you you retrained your voice in part at uh at Blazers Games. That's uh that's very cool. Um all right, well let's give this one let's go with spin. It's called here.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:11

Don't sit in my lankers am already here. I'm waiting for you. Don't sit in my link as I'm already here. Don't sit in my link as I'm already here. I'm waiting for you.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:52

Yes. Uh we get down. I introduced them to uh Metallica Master Puppets today. They were not super into it. But they're music. They're more kill fans. No, but you know what they really destroyed? They really love uh You're Still the One by Shania Twain. That goes hard.

SPEAKER_09 1:09:09

When you were saying we gotta put on some like get in the groove music, I instantly said in my head, Shania.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:15

Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:09:16

Shania. I think we're on some level, like musically. I can't.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:21

Yeah, Drew and me were talking about uh we were at karaoke for our good friend Brandon's birthday, and we were like, what if because neither of us do karaoke. We're like, what if we did do it? What would we do? And that was the first thing that came out.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:31

Lenny I'm home and I had a holiday.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:34

That'd be so good. I think I told Annie that we should learn a song just like Stone Cold Dead and like be able to bust it out at any time. I think that's within our capacity.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:44

I think we could do it. Yeah, that don't impress me much. Let's do it.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:48

That's what that is what you said. I can I can do like the spoken word part in the beginning. I love it. Um, I want to put y'all on the spot. Um, but I'm wondering like what was the most important album or artist to your teenage selves?

SPEAKER_04 1:10:05

Teenage.

SPEAKER_11 1:10:08

I could I just remember the first song I ever like illegally downloaded from Napster. My dad was important when it switched to digital. He was like an old, yeah, older and he vinyls and everything. And when like he found out about like LimeWar and all that stuff, he's like, what the fuck are we fucking doing? So he made sure I had like an MD3 player. Yeah, he's like, he's like, all my albums are warped, anyways, but they're big vinyl people. But anyways, he wasn't really. I grew up just kind of downloading music, but I remember the first song I ever illegally downloaded was uh Three Doors Down, Kryptonite. And then that just has like a choice since he recently published maybe just a song that that is a special place uh with me. Interesting, and then everything else came from the Tony Hawk Pro Skater soundtrack.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:53

Oh, it was good. It was good. Jerry was a race car driver.

SPEAKER_11 1:10:57

New girl by suicide. Suicide the scob was a lie. Oh yeah. It's coming back. It is, yeah, let's hope that's a lot to talk about.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:07

It's like war in the Middle East, it comes back periodically, but it's never good for anybody. Lee, what was your uh teenage?

SPEAKER_09 1:11:14

I'm from Massachusetts. Okay. And so I was definitely like very deep into the whole like amo scene.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:22

I thought you were gonna say Boston's Boston skateboard.

SPEAKER_09 1:11:26

But um I really liked Brand New. Oh, yeah. And um Deathcap for Cutie. Those two were like the ones that I and people always play in Weezer, but that was not my like the one that I wanted to like, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:43

Fuck I played Weezer at school today, and a kid had like a Weezer seizure. He had never heard of. And he was just like, he got the music in him, he got the vapors. It was my name is Jonas. He was just like, and his mom was like, Well, we're putting this in the playlist. I've never seen him do that before.

SPEAKER_09 1:11:59

I went to Vel uh what was it, um vinyl resting place and I saw the blue album, and I was like, Firstborn is gonna hear this. Like, I I know it. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:12

Uh also probably one of the like cheapest albums you can buy from Amazon if you want to like just like if you want to give money to Amazon, you can get that Weezer album for like$15 all day long. It's ridiculous. They must have printed like 10 million of them or something.

SPEAKER_08 1:12:28

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:29

So it was yours. Was it something complex and jazzy when you were? It is jazzy, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:32

I I couldn't remember if it was like a self-titled album, and it kind of is, but it's Julie London. Um, Julie is her name is the album. It has like Crimea River on it, and she's uh she is from the 50s. She's a jazz singer, and it was just an album, it was a CD that my mom had, uh like in her CD sash. Um, that and like Diana Krawl. Um kind of childhood.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:53

Oh, that's cool. Were there a lot of like flowing garments? Um scarves, scarves? I'm picturing scarves. My style? Yeah, when you were like 15, like yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:03

Oh, um, I kind of dressed like a grandma, actually. I was like probably like goodwill and like toilet tracks. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:10

Drew, what was what was after my emo stage, that is, actually. I was when I was 15. Okay, so I think I was listening to I was listening to all like the Epitaph Records and Fat Records. Oh nice cool. So it was all like no effects and you know what actually really turned the corner for me as like a pop punk person was someone gave me an MXPX album. Oh, when they had when they started when they were like hiding their Christianity a little bit more, like when they turned turned away from Christ, and I like I remember you were like, Man, I love punk rock, but I wish they'd leave a little room for Jesus.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:45

And then you got into MXP now.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:46

No, I felt so fucking pissed when I learned that they had been Christian, I was like, I know like my my one attempt at coolness back then, cut off at the knees.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:55

It's like when ICP came out as Christians, man, and Slayer, that's fucked up. Both those bands have come out as Christians.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:01

ICB, they earned their Christianity, they're allowed to be Christians now. I listened to the Great Malenko, I know what they're about.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:08

You know, you guys probably know this, but I talk about this a lot. But for me, it was Tori Amos. I thought she was the greatest musician who ever lived, and that was it. And the doors. So now I don't really listen to either one of them. Yeah. And Rage Against the Machine.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:23

Nice.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:24

Yeah. Those I bought those three CDs at the same time.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:29

Um yeah, no one was giving me fucking jazz when I was a kid. Like there wasn't there wasn't the intervention that I needed uh at that point in time.

SPEAKER_11 1:14:37

I had my older sister's kind of music. So she had the Aqua CD with Barbie Girl. Oh nice. Yes. And uh so I remember the Aqua CD a lot. I guess.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:48

I've been wondering about the it was creepy. No, their whole band was just like, what is this? It's so wild. Space jam soundtrack. I believe I can fly. I think there is. And there's that song with Method Man. Oh, I don't think it's a good one. It's like the Posse Code with all the people on it. I think one of the dudes from Onyx is in it, maybe.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:12

Oh, sure. You can Onyx is available, I'll tell you that.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:15

I thought they were all the world jumping.

SPEAKER_09 1:15:20

With that CD.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:21

Space Jam soundtrack rules. Yeah. That is a solid one.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:24

It was an arrow, you know, uh soundtracks were still vital sources of music discovery.

SPEAKER_11 1:15:29

It's got the RB that's so part of it. Yes. And then it was just the early 2000s, it was just like RB top 40 bangers.

SPEAKER_09 1:15:39

I I couldn't afford albums, so I'm like a I've definitely always got like singles. Oh, me too.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:48

And I'm a big fan of a soundtrack because it's like, oh fuck, yeah, now I have all this songs. Like the Rush Hour 2 soundtrack. Holy shit, now I have all these cool hip hop songs.

SPEAKER_09 1:15:56

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:57

Yeah. TLC.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:59

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:01

I've been thinking about people's like music id identities or like what music means to people's identities recently. Because like you were you're talking about like downloading songs. I guess the digital has been around for like 25 years now, so it's not even it may not even be relevant, but I feel like people live in a much smaller, like, personal musical ecosystem than they ever did before. And that's certainly the case for me. They're not people that I'm like connecting with over music in the way that I used to do. And so I wonder what that is doing to people's because it used to be so important to me that people understood what I liked musically. And that was like I can reach out with this part of myself, I can share that, and I want you to understand something about me. And I wonder, do you think that is something that still exists, even though my music is more individualized and like bifurcated than it's ever been before?

SPEAKER_11 1:16:50

I just know it's hard to get people to fucking listen to your music and like send it out, and there's like, oh yeah, here we go. Here's just another suggestion.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:58

Um but I find the uh Well, you're a you're a curator, you're a DJ.

SPEAKER_11 1:17:02

So I find just turn on Shady Pines Radio, like not actually trying and just let stuff come at you. It's kind of a lot of fun. And since I do my show locals only, and then I'm at the open mics and stuff, I'm really just like listening to my friend's music, you know, even if it's just I love that too. Like you just respect it for what it is, you know, not necessarily that it's bad, but um you just kind of start to enjoy hearing your friends play instead of really going a different direction.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:17:29

I hosted open mic like back in the day, and um I always thought in my head that there's a 10% window that like somebody is gonna walk in and be insanely good. And I always like savored that moment that somebody would walk in, and I've seen so many cool people. Um one person I saw, it was at Kelly's Olympian. Um it was like it was a really yeah, it was a slow night. There's like six of us, me and the co-host, and uh this gal walks in and um she said, Yeah, so if this doesn't work, I'm going to grad school.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:13

Whoa. And it was Hayley.

SPEAKER_09 1:18:14

You're like, no, it was Haley Hendrix. Oh no shit. Incredible.

SPEAKER_11 1:18:23

Damn. I know. It didn't work out for her. It's so weird.

SPEAKER_09 1:18:26

She signed up as Haley, and here I am like writing down, like, okay, I gotta remember this, like who this person is, and like call them and like and I've done a songwriting challenge with her before, too. Just like a lot of cool people.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:38

As a bummer, it didn't work out for her, and she had to go to grad school.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:41

Yeah. She's just a PhD now, just another one, just another stupid PhD. What a waste.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:47

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:48

I feel like your uh that like hope that you just enunciated about like an open mic is a test to that's the best argument for liking weird stuff. Because I feel like your openness to all kinds of different scowns that creates that optimism. I think that's that's the a great argument for like opening my mind up a little bit as a listener. Is like, yeah, what if you find something you fucking like?

SPEAKER_09 1:19:09

You know some people don't like open mic because they gotta sit through it. And it's brutal in a lot of nights. Yeah, close the mic.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:16

Yeah, I prefer a closed mic.

SPEAKER_09 1:19:19

I love gatekeepers.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:20

I only want one person to touch that mic all that long. I don't even like an opener.

SPEAKER_11 1:19:25

Like you get three, you get one.

SPEAKER_09 1:19:28

Wednesday night uh at East Burn is hosted by a wonderful singer, Mark Tagio.

SPEAKER_11 1:19:35

Mark Taggio. He's so good. I want him to play my birthday in like two months.

SPEAKER_09 1:19:39

I'm just like nice.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:40

Well, that's a warming endorsement. I want him to play my birthday too. You play my birthday, Mark?

SPEAKER_02 1:19:45

I'm gonna ask him tomorrow. Is it like when there's like a host at a comedy show? Does he do like little diddies in between people's performances?

SPEAKER_11 1:19:52

Not like a Johnny Franco.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:54

Yeah. No, no, he's he shames the open micers.

SPEAKER_11 1:19:58

His talent just shine his talent just shines through. That's cool. Yeah, there's like East Burn too. There's something about having a host where you're just like, it's just like no bullshit, like play your shit, yeah. Like, and then him just having like he's just talented.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:11

Do you guys remember the Eastburn birthday challenge basically? For a while. No. For the longest time, if you went to East Burn on your birthday, you got to drink for free for one hour. Your whole crew did 10 people. And it turned into a solid nightmare of people just being like, get out of the way! I only got 15 minutes left. And people just getting so housed, and then they were just like, I guess they thought you'd stay for longer.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:38

You know, that idea.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:40

We used to have a culture, you know? What happened to us? Yeah, it was a great idea. Eventually they were just like, something happened. I'm guaranteed something happened. Well, I wonder.

SPEAKER_09 1:20:48

They did have um, they did have one dollar micro ruse like 15 years ago.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:53

Yeah. There was a place uh I went to on Tuesday. That's a good deal. Yeah. The Firkin used to have 50 cent PBRs for one hour, and we would go and see how many PBRs we could drink in one hour. It turns out many four. Four was how many they would let me drink for those fifty cents, and then they were like, no, sir.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:13

Do these seem like the actions of someone who's had all he can drink? Come on, seriously. Um I remember there's a place in when I went to college in Indiana, like the the town next door had uh nickel pitchers or something like that. Nickel pitchers. You pay like ten dollars to get in, and then pitchers of beer were a nickel for the rest of the night. And what what a disaster that was. But like that's the disaster I want.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:36

Right, right.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:37

Keep your uh Velvet Undergrounds. I want to see just this horrendously irresponsible social experiment in drinking.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:44

I don't think that today's youth or today's adults can handle that kind of drinking culture, at least in the Portland area. But if you look back to the Midwest, I think that people there can handle it pretty heavy. But the city of Portland does not like when people are drunk in Portland. Boston's drinking culture. Yeah, that's the problem. We've talked about this before on and on in this podcast, is we have no late night food options, and it really limits our like cred as a drinking city because you need that.

SPEAKER_09 1:22:14

And he's like, So what's going on after 11? Like, what's good? Absolutely nothing, and like, yeah, my husband knows exactly where to go, like when you're when it's there's a certain bridge underneath which you could continue.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:26

Well, you can always go to the Jubitz truck stop.

SPEAKER_09 1:22:28

Yeah, who wants to hang out there? I mean, that's 24 hours, and it's it is in New York, so it's like Delhi Central, like everywhere you got.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:35

Some kind of a diner situation, something that's like an elevated Denny's. We used to have the Roxy, we used to have uh a hot cake house. A hot cake house, that's all I was gonna say. Yeah. Hotcake House was a guaranteed show. Weren't there 24 hour places? That was that long, like 10 years old.

SPEAKER_09 1:22:52

Oh, I worked at Southeast Grind.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:54

Oh no way. I knew the owner of that place. Yeah, across the street basically.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:59

What was her name? I used to Sam.

SPEAKER_08 1:23:00

No, not Sam.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:01

I bet you've seen it. She was in some sort of accident that got the money to start the place. No, I don't know. I was in a hip hop group. We wrote a song called Southeast Grind. Nice. It was about that coffee shop.

SPEAKER_08 1:23:12

I loved that place. Yeah. Yeah. That was 24 hours.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:15

That was a 24-hour coffee shop on Powell, like in the heart of like Portland. Yeah, basically it is the showdown. It's there, you know? And the showdown, you know, maybe you should be 24 hours too.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:27

You get on that like crossover traffic from subway right across the street. Yeah. Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:32

That's a bad subway. Subways are dropping like flies. Subway's not doing hot, guys. Uh they tried to make long everything to survive. They were like, we got long cookies, we got footlong, footlong cookies, and now we got footlong pretzels, and now our sandwiches, everything's like footlong. Yeah. And uh man.

SPEAKER_09 1:23:50

I saw this meme that was like you really are asking me about what bread I need. It's like, come on, it's the cheese one. It was there wasn't your week.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:04

There was a time in my life where Subway was considered like the healthiest option. Or it's like, oh man, what are we gonna do? Well, we should go to Subway because it's healthy instead of whatever. And it was just like, man, not the way I'm making it.

SPEAKER_09 1:24:17

What's your Subway go to?

SPEAKER_03 1:24:19

Oh man, I'm a monster. It's um it's uh it's the crab, it's the Parmesan herbed Italian bread with tuna, pepper jack cheese, tons of pickles, extra mayonnaise, salt, pepper, vinegar, and oil, and a ton of pickles and jalapenos. Yeah, you just want the wettest tuna. It's all texture. You gotta eat that shit now.

SPEAKER_09 1:24:44

It was across the street from my dorm growing up, and so it's like you just live there next to edible arrangements.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:52

So you were just oscillating between flowers to eat. And uh edible arrangements are so expensive, though. I feel really argued.

SPEAKER_09 1:25:00

I wanted to get to the edible arrangements, I never made it.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:02

Yeah, you used to just ate a shitload of candle up and pineapple and what was your subway go-to? What was the um the order?

SPEAKER_09 1:25:09

Toasted wheat, sweet onion, chicken teriyaki 12 inch.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:13

Okay, that's you cut it in half, that's two meals. It is, yeah, and it's good. It's pretty good.

SPEAKER_09 1:25:18

With all the fix-ins, definitely salt pepper oil in your toasting vinegar.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:22

Yeah. Toasting any kind of bread. Yep. Yeah, when they started toasting it, oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:26

They opened up a door. Quiznos was the one who did it better, though, and they really went down with the ship. I don't understand why Quiznos isn't doing better. Feels like it's it was a highly superior subway.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:38

Sandwich related, but do you know there's like two operating Qdobas that have somehow survived in this city? They can no longer sustain a subway. Qdoba's basically burrito subway. Oh, they're okay. Yeah, it's a good thing. Someone within it's a burrito subway. Mexican experience.

SPEAKER_11 1:25:58

Chipotle is kind of like the healthy option if you're picking between between Chipotle.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:05

It's definitely the new subway without like the pedophile mascot and with potential food poisoning.

SPEAKER_09 1:26:11

And then Chipotle is owned by McDonald's, right? Is it right?

SPEAKER_03 1:26:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:15

That's why I'm like, that's why the diarrhea I get there is so familiar. I'm so addicted to it.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:20

Exactly. You know the funniest thing though at a Chipotle that it always blows my mind, as a person who struggles to roll a burrito when you make it at home, those guys can fucking get that thing around. You'll be like, there's no way. They know the exact tint strength of a tortilla. It's shocking. And sometimes I like watch them really flex on it where they're like, man, it's not gonna work. It's not gonna work. And I think they hide half of it inside of the tin table.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:43

That's the thing, is they don't give a shit about your experience later. All they have to do is get it inside the foil, and then it's your problem.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:48

I am amazed. I think that they probably have to train for months to get that tw that tuck style down. It's so solid.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:56

There's people who are really great at making a bed full of meat. Yeah. Yeah. They are. Uh well, before we let y'all go, we usually like to do something that involves some imagination about the future. Yeah. And I think y'all seem like the perfect group to ask about this, but I'm like we're taking off all of the inhibitions. So there's no resource challenges, anything that you want can is on the table. What would be the piece of Greta Seabird merchandise that you would get that is untraditional, it's not what you would see on the normal merch table, and price and scale is no option. I have a suggestion, but I would like to hear what you have to say first. Or I can prompt you with my suggestion.

SPEAKER_09 1:27:42

The first thing that jumped into my head was like a pink Corvette.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:47

I'm crazy far off. Oh man, I haven't sewed in the other direction. I was thinking, um, so this is illegal, but uh you're selling pelicans at the merch stand. Oh, yeah. Like a live adult pelicans. Pelicans. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:00

Like you have three. And they're not going up. Now with mature pelicans. Yep.

SPEAKER_11 1:28:06

There's bird noises in like two of the tracks, or one of the tracks on the nice. Yeah, seabirds, yeah. It's like a little beach sound.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:15

Or just like little bird cages on like with birds in it. Like, you know, bird cages that all the birds are such a thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:22

It would be really hard for you all to go on tour with your your bird truck, but I love the idea of that. But I said resources are nobody.

SPEAKER_09 1:28:30

Is that like an ice cream truck that a bird serves ice cream out of?

SPEAKER_03 1:28:34

My grandma told me when she was a little kid she went to the circus. My grandma went to the circus and bought a bird on a string and they tied it to her finger. And it had a little string on its leg, and she took it home and put it in a birdcage, and it had that bird for like seven years. And I was like, what the fuck monster situation is this person who's tying little strings around bird legs and then tying up the children's fingers? That it seems like they put the kibosh on that pretty quick.

SPEAKER_09 1:29:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:03

That might have been a one and done.

SPEAKER_09 1:29:04

No, there was an era where you could just tie up a micro. When you were describing it, my brain was thinking of like a cartoon. It felt like she was talking about a cartoon.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:12

She might have been talking shit too. My grandma might have been pulling the rug over my little dumb eyes.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:17

I'm thinking of like carrier that weird shit back then.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:20

They did. They did.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:22

Yeah, a bird was like entertainment. That was like an iPhone too.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:25

Yeah. Oh, let's just tie a couple strings to these birds and we'll sell them to dumb kids for like a nickel.

SPEAKER_11 1:29:31

Do a cornhole.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:32

Yeah. I was thinking of uh like 80s style jet skis, the kind that like open up and you have to stand on them. Like very neon yellow jet skis. Yeah, just like just doing donuts in in the bay, you know. With like a subwoofer on the back.

SPEAKER_09 1:29:53

Yes. That's what I was thinking of. They are they have a pink car like out front of their ho out front of their business that they're gonna be. I haven't been in there yet. I want to go there so bad. Yeah, everything's just super cute and pink, and I'll be the driver.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:06

That sounds sweet. And Drew, uh, for hot garbage this week, I was thinking like like a canoe full of weed.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:13

Just like weed.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:15

And it's the hot garbage weed canoe. And you can only we only make it one weed.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:19

Where are we paddling?

SPEAKER_03 1:30:20

You know, it's wherever you want to go.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:22

Or are we always in like a parking lot where people are dropping in, we're carrying the canoe. It never hits the water. Yeah, this canoe is we're always on our way to drop in, um, but we're distributing these nugs and water.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:33

The canoe is actually made out of like zigzags, so if it gets wet, we're fucked. All of our weeds gonna go in the river.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:39

But it will serve for your funeral pyre. Like we put your body on that nug-filled zigzag on and float your corpse past the sea.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:48

That's what we're actually It's a biking weed funeral.

SPEAKER_09 1:30:54

Zigzag canoe on an air mattress on the river.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:57

Dude, I hope I dude, that I got a new, I'm writing that into my will. When I die, fill me, put me in a canoe full of weed, light that shit on the phone.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:08

And send me on down.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:09

Shoot me with like a bucking like a flaming arrow lit off of a big ass. A flaming butane torch. Do me like a dab in the river of sticks. Oh man, incredible.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:25

Um, Greta Sieber, thank you so much for hanging out, playing amazing live tunes for us, uh, and you know, putting up with our nonsense. Uh it was a delight. Um let people know how to follow you, how to keep up with you, where to buy your music, when you're playing, those kinds of things.

SPEAKER_09 1:31:41

Yeah, we're at uh gretafieber.com or gretazeeber.grandcamp at grasp.com and we're on Instagram. It's L G-R-E-T-T-A. And our next show coming up is uh March 23rd at Mississippi Studios. We're playing with Smile Pile and uh Oklahoma Perfect.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:08

Fantastic. Alright, well thank you again. This was a treat. And uh we hope it was a treat for all of y'all listening out there. Thanks for watching. A real sweet treat. Yeah. Yeah, like a like a waffle.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:20

Or like a stroop. Like a 4M waffle. Yeah, like a stroop waffle that you took camping and it got a couple of ants on it, but you still made a s'more with it.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:28

You kept going, but it was so hard.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:30

Your family wouldn't try it, but you loved everybody.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:33

You know they're giving those out on planes now. You can find United Airlines as the option.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:38

Well, you know, they say a lot of shit's wrong in the world, but we got stroop waffles on airplanes.

SPEAKER_09 1:32:43

They have mini ones too.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:44

Yeah. And if you're flying United, not the their advertising, but scooting the screwed. They're gonna start kicking people off with uh if they don't listen to the sticker shit and headphones.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:00

Skewed.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:02

Skeot in the street Um Well, when you're done chewing on your stroopwaffle.

SPEAKER_09 1:33:08

Yeah, that's like a song lyric right there already.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:11

Note that. Uh if you like the music that Andy selected this week, he does do a weekly radio show on Shady Pines Radio every Friday from 6 to 7. It is called Heshair with Mr. Tomorrow.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:21

And it's it'll rip your goddamn weekend in half. That's what it is. It could ruin your Friday. You know, you never know. Sometimes you'll show up and it'll be a bass church, but most of the time it's just whatever I'm listening to that week. So And Joel, you're also a DJ.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:34

Give us a little give us love for your show.

SPEAKER_11 1:33:36

I am on Shady Pines Radio. Next month, I think will be three years. Congrats. Yeah. Um it's called Locals Only, with yours truly Joel Shelley, one to two every Thursday. Um I kind of just play it used to be stuff I've seen that week, bands I've seen that week. Um it is mostly it's local music. I'll take subjec um submissions from everyone out at the open mics and stuff. So if I see you around town, just approach me, I'll play your stuff on my show.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:02

Perfect time on Thursday when you're like you've just finished lunch and you need a couple steps in your day. There you go. Spend that hour with Joel. Well worth it. Um but after you've listened to several episodes of hot garbage and uh provided us feedback. Uh Andy, what are we going out on today?

SPEAKER_03 1:34:17

Oh, we got some some real good stuff. This song, this is a band called Mingus Maps. They're from Portland. I love these guys. They had a single that they put out last year called The Thing. And this song, it's kind of like alright, so like you just got out of work and you have to go grocery shopping at Safeway, and then you don't want to be there, and it's taking you a long time, but you did get a Baja blast on the way out, and it was really cold, and you cracked that son of a bitch open in the car before you start driving out.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:50

That's right, and when they And like 60% of the time you just spill it right on the ground there and just leave it for someone else to clean up.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:56

And then they they do, when they're checking you out, say, Do you want me to leave this out for you? And you say, Fuck yeah, baby. And you rip into that Baja Blast. That's what this song is like. So I hope you enjoy it as much as I like it. The sticky floor at Safeway. What's it called? It's called Thing. This is Mangus Maps. Check them out on Bandcamp. They're great, they're wonderful.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:17

Well, for Greta Seabird. For Nate for Andy, this is Drew. We will see you next week on Hot Garbage.