Pre-Show Dad Dabs with OGRE

Portland trio Ogre come replete with refined, bruising chaos; a group whose Bandcamp page features a brief style guide (Arial only, please) would likely approve of the pomp and semicolon of this sentence. On the eve of their evolutionary new record "Bryan" (dropping May 29), Grace, Ace, and Nils of Ogre join the show to sow a little discord on the mics. In a sprawling conversation, we touch on Keanu, bowling beers, an abiding love of AI, eschewing stage banter, ogre-on-ogre crime vis a vis Shrek, and occasionally music. You'll effing LOVE it!

Music this week:

• "Arctillion 444" by Ogre (25:30)
• "An L.A. Funeral" by Orcutt Shelley Miller (49:45)
• "Hair" by Ogre (70:13)
• "firmly placed atop YHWH" by Rheumatoid Trapezoid (86:28)
• "Cabin Fever" by Slomosa (115:32)

Transcript

SPEAKER_05 0:00

Is there more beer?

SPEAKER_02 0:01

You're listening to Hot Garbage.

SPEAKER_07 0:12

Hello and welcome to another episode of the Hot Garbage Podcast, Portland, Oregon's premiere music discovery and interview show. My name is Drew. I am your co-host, joined as always by my dear friend, your co-host, Andy.

SPEAKER_08 0:28

Andy. Trying out some new stuff.

SPEAKER_07 0:30

Yeah. Um I don't know if I like that one. What does RL stand for? Real real life? Real loud. Real loud. Oh, little preview there. Our silent partner Nate is with us. He's making the sound happen as he does each and every week. And Andy, I heard a stupid, we're in NBA playoff season as we record this, and I heard something on uh I say it was stupid because it's a pretty simple little metaphor, um, but it's a sports metaphor for getting through like your week, having a little bit of a tough week. And this person on this podcast I was listening to brought up this idea that if you treat every week like a seven-game series, you just have to win four games, you know? You win the series and you just win four games. And I heard that I was like, oh man. That freed me up to have a couple off days, you know what I mean? That was nice. So I don't know if that's useful for any non-sports fans out there, but I really liked that. Yeah. Got me through a tough day. I took the L today, but uh, you know, I'm still in the series. Yeah, you still got plenty of things. Yeah, there's a it's a long series, and I can still win this one. So I thought that was nice. Oh, that's good. What's been going on with you?

SPEAKER_08 1:31

Oh man. Rough shit, you know. Um, unfortunately, uh lost a f um a friend this week. Someone I hadn't seen in a long time, but you know, still a real bummer. And that's a shame. Just been thinking a lot about, you know, sad shit and uh that stuff. So it's kind of a bummer to kick off the podcast, but you know, you know, that's it's it's we're all going through it out there.

SPEAKER_07 1:52

Yeah, that that's real. I'm sorry to hear that you lost someone close. Uh we're all here for you if you need a friend. We can uh we'll we'll we'll be your shoulder, so don't hesitate to reach out, Andy.

SPEAKER_08 2:03

Yeah, not necessarily, you know, I'm not a person that I'm close with, but somebody that uh I knew and I hadn't seen in probably over a decade, but still real bummer. So, you know.

SPEAKER_07 2:12

Yeah, I don't know. People make you know, we make connections with people across our lives, even if we don't consider them the closest of friends. And sometimes you can feel when that absence that that hits, they were holding some place in your life. Yeah. And uh, you know, uh and now that that little part of them is uh is gone. So that's a shame. I hope you're doing okay very soon. And I will tell you, for the listener out there, it's not all doom and gloom because we had from the band Ogre, we had Ace, Grace, and Nils in the house, and though Andy was going through it, he really brought the ruckus with our guest this week.

SPEAKER_08 2:42

Yeah, we had a good time. So, you know, if you out there are also going through some shit, hopefully uh this episode will help uh lift your spirits up for a little bit.

SPEAKER_07 2:50

You know, I don't wanna like I'm this is just a descriptive term, so read nothing into it. But this one got I feel like we're a little loosey goosey in this one, Andy. Yeah, I was like, I think this is a real, real, you know, V-shaped goose geese flying in a V. You know what I mean? You know, a flock of goose. That's just a taste of how loose it gets. But Ogre was fantastic. We they have a new record coming out. As you're listening to this, they have released the vinyl for their upcoming album, Brian. It will be released wide, I believe the date we heard was May 29th. And so if you were lucky enough to see them live and buy that vinyl, it's in your hand, it's on your player right now. Lucky you for the rest of you. Brian by Ogre will be dropping on May 29th. They prefer you grab that on Bandcamp, so please do. You can also follow them on Instagram. Uh we had a really cool conversation about a lot of things that aren't important, but of the things that were important, talked about the new record, talked about leveling up their game with the support of their label, talked a lot about well, what do we talk the most about? Perhaps AI. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 3:54

We got deep on AI. We finally solved it, guys. So you're not gonna want to miss this one.

SPEAKER_07 3:58

Yeah, we cracked that case. Um, but we also had a great time with uh the entire group from Ogre on this week's episode of Hot Garbage. Enjoy.

SPEAKER_08 4:15

So we're good. We're starting the episode. Are you recording, Nate? Is this happening? Is this we're we're starting it with a nasty dab, just so everyone knows. Nasty Nate. You know, as of recording, we're this is it's 421. So, like, people talk about how 420 is like the holiday you'd celebrate. Really, it's 421 after you got all your weed and your shit. It's the next day.

SPEAKER_07 4:37

This is like boxing day for weed enthusiasts.

SPEAKER_05 4:41

Go, go, go, go, go, go, go. I like that noise you made.

SPEAKER_00 4:47

Dab.

SPEAKER_01 4:49

I don't like that.

SPEAKER_00 4:50

So they tell you not to hold it in because it's so poet, but I tell them, you know, fucking blow it out your ass.

SPEAKER_06 4:59

What's the verdict?

SPEAKER_08 5:02

Oh man, it just tastes so good. I gotta say, I really do like doing dabs, but it's not for everyone. Uh my wife did one once and went into like the dark place and Stranger Things. Oh, the upside down.

SPEAKER_05 5:13

The bad place. You talk about it, the bad place.

SPEAKER_04 5:15

Yeah, the bad place, the evil bad place. Like you try to smoke. You know what doesn't send you the bad place?

SPEAKER_05 5:21

Alcohol, yeah, beer.

SPEAKER_00 5:22

I don't know, beer sticking.

SPEAKER_04 5:23

Just emotionally places, too. Yeah. But if you're that's more like that's more like that's more like life existential bad, where a dab is like well, maybe maybe a dab is more existential bad, but like beer is more like career bad, you know. Career bad. Like you're like you're you're wearing a tie that's like halfway down, your collars all fucked up, and you're looking in the mirror. That's like beer. That's like maybe like a pink photography. That sounds pretty grim to me. But I've been accurate. But a dab is like dab bad, like the bad place on off of weed is like like your your your whole entire like soul is is getting attacked by like an army of um, but you're weirdly like capable of like rocking a forklift around a warehouse.

SPEAKER_05 6:10

Like, yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_08 6:12

I mean, if you get locked in, you can get behind the wheel. Yeah, uh I gotta I don't know, I've taken myself to that dark place a few times, and I thought it was hilarious because I was laughing at the fact that it was happening. Like I couldn't believe I was throwing up from weed, and I was laughing and puking at the same time, fully cognizant and aware of everything that was happening. Unlike with alcohol, I feel like I forget all that shit when I puke immediately afterwards. But with weed, it was just like, oh my god, I can feel every part of this. So don't recommend.

SPEAKER_07 6:44

Conversely, I'm drinking a modello oro, which is a light version, a 90 calorie version of the modello. Not worth it. Nice. We got the regulars right here. You can go side by side.

SPEAKER_04 6:55

Can I have another one of those regulars by the way? Oh, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_07 6:58

I love uh I love the can shape of this. Uh, you know, and for us college.

SPEAKER_05 7:02

Slim cans are kind of underrated for beer. I think they're actually really nice vessel.

SPEAKER_07 7:07

Just doesn't taste very good, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_08 7:09

As a as a big person, I do love a tiny can because it makes me feel even bigger. And that's kind of what every big person wants is to feel even bigger.

SPEAKER_05 7:18

I wish they I like I like those like those Corona or Coronitas or whatever they're called. Yeah. Or yeah, Motolitos. They're like eight and a half something odd ounces of like mini bottle of beer.

SPEAKER_07 7:34

Yeah, high life does one, a little high-life bottle. Yeah. Yeah, those are cute.

SPEAKER_08 7:39

Those are really nice. Do you guys mess with cocktail cans for soda? You see those at the store lately? They're like five ounce cans of soda, I think, or something. They're like little little shorties. They're kind of the exact amount I want.

SPEAKER_05 7:51

Wait, I know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_08 7:52

Yeah, it's like they're super expensive for what they are.

SPEAKER_05 7:54

It's a ripoff.

SPEAKER_08 7:55

And it I think they're made for like making cocktails and things. Yeah. But god damn, that's exactly how much Coke Zero I want.

SPEAKER_07 8:01

You know who's really got it dialed in in terms of beer is a bowling alley. I went bowling last Saturday. Oh, absolutely. And the beer cups they'll give you are like they're like nine and a half ounces. They're just like a uh, you know, an unlicensed cup that they're giving it to you in, so it's like inconsistent in how much is in there. But they know just the right amount. So if you drink four of them, you're like, I guess I've had two and three-quarters beers, and that's perfect. You feel like you're doing it all the time, but you're gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_08 8:25

You ever get a Budweiser in a bowling alley and it's in the shape of a bowling pan? No, right? Where are you going? Oh man, back in time. I feel like every every beer company used to have like a bowling themed beer bottle or can. Really? Yeah, specifically for the Midwest for selling at the bowling alleys.

SPEAKER_04 8:42

Yeah, ever since the phones came out, like bowling's just been on the down.

SPEAKER_08 8:46

Yeah, because the cost of our uh technology-driven future. That time works out, actually. Because people started playing that bowling game that got really popular on their phones, and they were like, I don't have to fucking go to the bowling alley, I can just bowl on my phone.

SPEAKER_07 9:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 9:02

Most popular game in the world.

SPEAKER_07 9:04

Well, there was this really famous. It was called Bolo. There was a famous sociology book that came out, must have been like 2009 or 10 called Bowling Alone, about the loneliness epidemic then, like 16 years ago. And bowling was like a metaphor for loneliness even then. Really? Co corresponding with the advent of the phone. So there is actually some veracity to that, that idea.

SPEAKER_04 9:26

Yeah, the phone is so bad. Yeah. Shit.

SPEAKER_05 9:30

And it's like you know, you know who's like really like like making it's like the Democrats are really like behind it. I'm just so glad I couldn't think of anything to make that sound like I was serious. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 9:43

We're on like a podcast, so you're just like, we gotta make this political.

SPEAKER_05 9:47

Yeah, which I want to talk about. It's like it's like um, we're talking about everything. Like, there's there's there's like we're it's gonna be different. This is this is a different kind of interview. Okay, we're gonna talk about things that like people are afraid to talk about. Like Tesla. Oh man. Like calling that. Like phone bad Tesla, the Democrats. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 10:07

Well, I hope this is a place where y'all can explore some of these nascent quasi-political ideas.

SPEAKER_08 10:16

I'm not super into Teslas. I'm just gonna put that out there. I'm but also on the other side of that, I've never been inside of one, and I kind of want to drive one.

SPEAKER_07 10:26

Never been inside one either. I heard they're hard to get out of because the door looks like a window or something like that.

SPEAKER_04 10:32

I've been in one of those shits before. I've been in one together. It was so interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, kind of just like why? You know?

SPEAKER_03 10:41

Yep. Great question.

SPEAKER_04 10:42

Like, why does this car have to be so aerodynamic to where a handle can't stick out for someone to grab? Why do I have to like push this in and then pull this out?

SPEAKER_07 10:55

Um over the lifetime of that car though, you're gonna save about a dollar and a half in drag. Right. Oh, that's true. Oh, okay. Over a long enough timeline that uh barely pays off.

SPEAKER_08 11:06

I mean, I kind of wish it just had an option. Like if you were like, oh shit, I gotta run from the cops, and you pushed a button, and then your handles went in. And it was like, cool, I can go two and a half miles an hour faster now.

SPEAKER_00 11:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 11:17

I don't need them in all the time. I kind of want those handles out. I want to show all of the people that I have handles on my car. Yeah. You could just grab it. Yeah. I feel like that's where we're going with AI and Teslas and all this shit. We're going back to like roll-up windows and big ass handles on doors.

SPEAKER_04 11:35

You guys we want this is where the death thank God you brought up AI. Like I want to talk about that.

SPEAKER_07 11:40

The death character is emerging, just to let everybody know. Yeah. This is what's happening right now.

SPEAKER_05 11:45

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_07 11:46

I heard what you guys were mentioning before we went on that you have recently been working with someone uh in PR helping out with promotion and stuff like that. Was this podcast on your on the PR person's roadmap? And did you get some media coaching prior to coming here?

SPEAKER_05 12:01

Yeah, we have um an AI uh assistant that runs our PR. Fuck yeah, which they they encouraged us to not say anything negative. It was weird. I asked AI, like, should I critique AI on a podcast? And they told me no, so I'm not going to.

SPEAKER_08 12:16

Um I asked AI to write me an erotic tale about a podcast going awry, and I'm not gonna tell you what it said, but it was X-rated. You're gonna love this Ariel. Can I ask uh I've been breaking AI since before it began. I've been feeding it horrible information, and I think I'm probably part of the reason that it sucks so bad.

SPEAKER_04 12:35

Yeah, yeah. No, you you're the kind of person that we want, because everyone says don't use chat, you know. You're the kind of like you, if you just feed it stuff, you're gonna confuse it so much.

SPEAKER_08 12:47

I have been for so long, and there's a whole apps that I can't do anything I used to like to do on them because of what I did to them. They were like, we gotta change everything, dudes. This guy's making Vin Diesel have sex with Whoopi Goldberg.

SPEAKER_05 13:01

Vin Diesel ends up looking like Trek in AI in like four modes. Makes him tall.

SPEAKER_04 13:08

Make him tall.

SPEAKER_05 13:10

You had a question.

SPEAKER_04 13:11

Make Vin Diesel really short. Make Whoopi Goldberg really tall. Make Vin Diesel a centaur.

SPEAKER_08 13:17

Yeah, make him eat a bowl of penises with penis hands and a penis mouth. Give Vin Diesel Whoopi Goldberg's hair. Oh man. Yeah, definitely did that. Regretted it. Taller. It was there was yeah, made of fingers. They're holding a Magello Oro.

SPEAKER_07 13:33

Was there was there a particular reason why now felt like the right time to use someone for PR? Was there like uh is there a turning point that you're trying to capture right now that made that the right move?

SPEAKER_05 13:44

That's a great question. Um so the problem with AI is that sorry, uh to legitimately answer this question, um we were fortunate enough to get um in contact with um Corporat Records out of Spokane, and they from pretty much day one just recommended um uh like people that they had worked with before that they liked, and we thought, okay. If if you think it's a good idea. I mean, we looked into um their work as a label and we're like, okay, well those those results speak for themselves. We trust your opinion since you're clearly getting the job done. And yeah, we went for it, uh went with it uh their recommendation and it was um great call.

SPEAKER_04 14:35

Yeah, it was Joe from Nighttime Asylum who's been. Yes.

SPEAKER_05 14:39

Shout out Joe.

SPEAKER_07 14:42

What do you all hope to get? I mean, because I think a lot of people think of music now as sort of a free-for-all. I think people used to identify very strongly with labels and like I'm gonna buy everything from like fat records when I was a kid, you know? And I think maybe some of that attachment or identification is slipped away a little bit, but y'all are just talking about how important it is to work with one. What do you guys get out of it now in these times that people might not think about when you think about a label relationship?

SPEAKER_04 15:08

I yeah, I think it's it's less how it was, but it's also I think like kind of what we get out of it is it's kind of just like an investment in us a little bit, because we can't really like afford to like print records, you know, on our own. Um and things like that. And that it's just a much more like communal thing because I feel like a lot of making music right now is just speaking into the void, you know, with just how much exists, and if you just put it online, kind of that's it. And then it just adds to just the void of online music. Um where a label, it's like kind of connected to something, and then in some ways it has like legitimacy, and then when you're working with um someone like Chris from Corporat, like you just kind of have someone like in your from corporate record, like there you just have someone in your corner, you know? So that's like the that's like the big thing, is it feels like you're not sneaking into the void as much. You're like kind of connected to something. Yeah. But there's no there it's not like there's more money or anything. There's more money going on. Did you ever get to go to Spokane?

SPEAKER_01 16:25

We did, we went recently and we got to meet him, which was wonderful city.

SPEAKER_08 16:30

It was it's we go there a lot to visit friends and uh kind of love it. There's a bunch of cool shit about it.

SPEAKER_05 16:36

Have you ever gone to uh the tiki lounge? The tiki wait, was it the tiki? No, it wasn't the tiki lounge. It was because it's a hotel, it wasn't a lounge. What was it called?

SPEAKER_01 16:44

I thought it was called the Tiki Tiki Lodge.

SPEAKER_05 16:47

The tiki lodge. What's that main road in the room?

SPEAKER_08 16:49

No, that was not Spokane that runs through uh I think it's called Spokaneo. Yeah, Spokanoo Drive. Uh yeah, I forget. I have no geography there. I just know river and uh big fucking it's on like an incline a little bit. There's a great record store there. Oh, really? The guy that owns uh Entropy. Yeah, it's called Entropy Records, owned by the guy from Kadabra. Oh that band from uh Spokane Fucking Rad Band. And uh yeah, we go visit friends there, and you can ice skate sometimes.

SPEAKER_01 17:23

In the record store?

SPEAKER_08 17:24

Yeah, in the ice store in the record store. They have this thing called the ribbon, and it goes through the record store. Yeah, and then around the cur the carousels. It's fucking magical. Is this real? No. Or ice skating up there? Not that part of it, but it there is an ice skating ribbon that is like downtown. It's called the ribbon, and it's got like a little hill and like a little turn, and then you come back around.

SPEAKER_05 17:43

Wait, isn't that ice skating path? Yeah, it's kind of as opposed to a rink, which is an oval.

SPEAKER_08 17:49

It is kind of it's connected, so it's an oval-ish shape, but it's not just your typical circle that you ice skate in. You can't just go through the middle, though. There's like trees in it all the time. There's like a little, there's like a wall.

SPEAKER_07 18:01

It's like the middle of Macy's, it's like makeup stands.

SPEAKER_08 18:04

You go around a corner, perfume, and then down on like the hill where the corner is, there's a little fire pit down there that you can stand around in your ice skates. Sounds great. Yeah, it's a pretty good spot.

SPEAKER_07 18:13

Oh god, beautiful city. Very Canadian of them. That's true. Mm-hmm. So, like, implicit sort of in what you were talking about, Nils, is this idea that not being screaming into the void is a good thing. And meaning maybe there is some hope that a lot of people out there are gonna hear your music. Like, when you're talking about what your goals are for like connecting with an audience, w what have you all three, you three, talked about? Do you have those kinds of goals? Are you is there like a standard you set for yourself for connecting with people outside of the void?

SPEAKER_05 18:43

It's all about numbers for us, really. Yeah, it's it's about the it's about the bag. Yeah. I'm not really thinking about that. Yeah, we have zero compassion for human beings. Um it's about uh no, like of course, like the interest to connect with an audience is I guess like it's hard to be an artist and pretend that you're not at least somewhat like invested in the return of recognition or or even just acknowledgement. I feel like that's like we don't even need recognition. We just like even if people are like that was terrible, we just like people doing it. I witnessed you do what you just did. And I was I was an audience to that.

SPEAKER_07 19:25

I'm super glad that you said that because you you would be perhaps surprised surprised by how many bands come on and just sort of reject that idea.

SPEAKER_05 19:32

And I I Oh like we don't oh like they they're like, oh we don't we don't care. We don't know.

SPEAKER_07 19:36

I don't think that they're being I don't think that they're being too cool. I don't think they're like trying to big time us or anything like that. I think that they just in their mind it's not that's not really the point, and I think that maybe they feed that narrative. We all tell ourselves stories. I'm much more like you, Ace. I'm like, how could you not you're sitting there in front of a bunch of people, and it's so much cooler when there's a hundred of those people versus twenty of those people. So how could that not mean something?

SPEAKER_05 19:59

It's kinda like, hey, I I made this and I I think you might have a good time, like correct correct me if I'm wrong. I might have a good time if you like come watch me do it. Yeah. Um and if you choose to do the same thing, I'll come watch you do it.

SPEAKER_07 20:14

Well, and it's it's like feats of virtuous circle because if you're having fun, I'm gonna have more fun, and if I'm having more fun, I'm gonna play better, you're gonna like it more.

SPEAKER_08 20:23

Wait, in this in this scenario, are we changing like change do I get to get on stage and play guitar too?

SPEAKER_07 20:28

No, I'm talking about the idea of going to a show and a band that's visibly disinterested.

SPEAKER_08 20:33

Is not doing it, I'm doing it, we're both doing it. Well, everyone's playing music, it's an open mic.

SPEAKER_01 20:38

If you come see us, that is what happens a lot of the time.

SPEAKER_05 20:42

There are some guests musicians, guest musicians who don't even know that they're going to be a guest musician that night. Yeah, until we're gonna be able to do that. At one of our shows?

SPEAKER_08 20:50

No, it was at a Johnny Franco show, and I thought for sure this was a drunk girl in the crowd. Then she got on the mic and started singing her ass off, and I was like, oh, this is like a real musician. I thought this was it was her birthday, and she was definitely getting some birthday drinks.

SPEAKER_05 21:03

Oh, so she wasn't she wasn't planted by the band to like be a part of the show. She like totally was like she was knowing that she was.

SPEAKER_08 21:10

She was their number one fan and was dancing her ass off and just slamming drinks front row the whole time, and then like three songs to the end. She got up on stage and grabbed the mic, and I was like, Whoa, what is happening? She's just gonna do this, and then she turned out she was like totally in the right to do it. Oh, but it was unplanned? It seemed like it was planned.

SPEAKER_05 21:29

Uh to me it looked very until he's eight steps ahead, but we're nine. Yeah. Fair. Us and Franco have we have we have a long and colorful history. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 21:40

That's amazing. I think everything in his life is improvised, but then I hear that it's like strategically planned. So my mind is blown. I don't know. He's an amazing entertainer.

SPEAKER_05 21:49

Honestly, like it um his his band and like his stage, his stage show is so like Kaufman esque that um like I watched him. Performed relatively recently, particularly like three weeks ago. And um I was even though it was so different than what we do, I was very inspired by like the the showmanship and the like the entertainer. Like I'm not a musician, I'm not a comedian, I'm an entertainer.

SPEAKER_01 22:15

I feel like that's in something I like about uh I think that you and you and Franco are looking at each other on opposite ends of the looking glass sometimes.

SPEAKER_05 22:23

Probably mustachioed we uh foreign horseshoe around the culture of alternative music until we're professional entertainers. Yes, very much so.

SPEAKER_01 22:31

You're doing the suits, he's doing the suits. That's true. Have you guys like had a j had a heart to heart before?

SPEAKER_05 22:37

No, I've I have been in the room with um Jonas Frankus a couple times and I've talked to him um and he he recognizes me, but I usually have to tell him um that we've met. Uh because you know, because of music reasons. He's like, oh yeah. And I was like, I'm an ogre. And he's like, oh yeah, the ogre boys. He said the ogre boys once, and it was before Grace was involved. Um this was a reference to me and Nils being the ogre boys that he mentioned. Um I said, yeah, yeah, ogre. And then he said again, no, to the the ogre boys, and I dropped it because um he intimidated me.

SPEAKER_07 23:16

I think he was trying to say the ogre boys.

SPEAKER_08 23:18

Man, speaking of ogre boys, you know what I saw today that makes me feel like a goddamn dinosaur with glass bones made of dust and shit. Oh, what's that? Shrek is having its 25th anniversary. Whoa. The original Ogre Boys.

SPEAKER_07 23:33

Yeah, it's uh an important part of my life culturally.

SPEAKER_08 23:36

I mean, I love it, but I also c fucking hate it. It's one of those movies that's like trapped in the exact time it was made. It was doing a lot of parody of things that happened that week on the news and stuff. Yeah. And it's just like it looked always looked like a web video to me.

SPEAKER_07 23:50

Heavily should be rendered within a smaller square on Windows 95.

SPEAKER_08 23:54

Smash Mouth is featured heavily.

SPEAKER_01 23:56

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_05 23:56

That was always more for Ice Age. Ice Age has Ray Romano. Oh, absolutely. John Lubazamo, yeah. Yeah. And it's got that sneaky little squirrel trying to get that nut. Oh, what's his what's his name? What is it called?

SPEAKER_01 24:09

Scratch.

SPEAKER_05 24:10

I think that's scrat.

SPEAKER_01 24:12

I want to say scrat.

SPEAKER_05 24:13

He has like uh he has like a Portland crest punk name. That is like your rent is $75 for the backyard hammock. Like, could you please pay it?

SPEAKER_04 24:26

He cannot. Scrat, where's my money?

SPEAKER_07 24:30

Scrat, please. We have to listen to some music. Uh I want to so bad. Uh Grace, you're the holder of the secrets, so what are we gonna start our our music with tonight?

SPEAKER_01 24:38

Um, we're gonna start with an older one. This is uh pre-me.

SPEAKER_05 24:44

It's a deep cut.

SPEAKER_01 24:45

It's a little bit of a deep cut. We don't play it too often live. Um I misled you guys with what my proposals earlier today. Um this one is Arctillion four four four. Whoa. One of my one of my personal favorites.

SPEAKER_07 25:00

All right, let's give it a spin.

SPEAKER_05 25:03

Is there more beer?

SPEAKER_07 30:09

Um I was happy to hear that you all when you're doing live, you don't break for banter. That's um that's my preference, but that's just me being selfish, I guess. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 30:20

Banter is like, I feel like we do pretty good, but like anytime we do have to speak, it is like it's usually me talking for too long.

SPEAKER_01 30:31

It's you're trying to fit in a tight five.

SPEAKER_05 30:33

I'm just like I'm trying to like a truly ad lib on the mic of like what's mentionable that day.

SPEAKER_04 30:40

I feel like you're happy. Like you gotta feel like you gotta check that out.

SPEAKER_05 30:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 30:50

Like you try, like we both try so hard to be funny when there's a microphone around. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 30:55

I feel like you do a really good job of like just like snaking good bits into like anytime a microphone is near you. You make people you make people laugh. Absolutely. I feel like I'll start talking, and then eventually Grace will do that look of it's like and I'm like, oh, I've been talking for like six and a half minutes already.

SPEAKER_07 31:20

You just got a large uh the red light, one of those large sand dial kind of things, and when the last granule of sand is gone, then you get the look. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 31:29

Yeah. Banter is awesome, but only when it's good, and most banter is not good.

SPEAKER_08 31:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 31:35

Do you is there any stage fright among the group? Is there ever are there ever nerves that you feel like you have to sort of manage?

SPEAKER_08 31:42

Or do you have any banned superstitions? Oh. No superstitions. Well, there are some requirements.

SPEAKER_01 31:48

Yeah, there absolutely are.

SPEAKER_05 31:49

Um, if there's no subtle rituals. I feel like we have um I don't think we get much in the way of stage fright. I definitely used to, but Nils and I kept like, I think uh very, very early on. Nils and I were um very new to playing shows and performing. Um and he and I found being on stage pretty nerve-wracking at at at first. Um, especially since there are only two of us. And we share that kind of experience. But it finally it cleared up like really quickly of like the more you do it, you kind of get adjusted to like the experience of being on stage and like you do it for a reason. But I feel like that's not as much of an issue. Have you ever experienced that? I don't think I've ever adjusted that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:31

Never in the moment. It's always I'm gonna throw up before and I'm gonna throw up afterwards. I get it I get intense um shame when I get off stage. Really? Really? I get like, oh fuck, what have I done? Like remorse.

SPEAKER_05 32:45

Like embarrassed about like that you might have embarrassed like shame as in like you're embarrassed by like how dare I pass this off as art. No, how dare I?

SPEAKER_01 32:58

Uh so I used to be like a ballet dancer, and it was always like this. I was doing it from like childhood till like late teens. And I would go out and perform in front of bunches of people and then I was always a terror out of words, and I was always just so self-loathing. And it it's literally like a 10-minute window, maybe. Um just it's it's I and it's worth it to me every time. It eventually I come out of it. But I I don't know if you guys have ever noticed me, like have to remove myself. Yeah. It doesn't happen. It happens for high stake shows.

SPEAKER_05 33:38

Yeah, if that makes sense. You know, I guess I do have like a big similar experience of like if I make any mistake. I it's like it's the only thing I can think about. And even despite like a 30 minutes of live experience having been done as we planned it, if there's like, you know, a two-second error, I'm I'm like gravitating towards that in my mind as soon as we're off stage. It's like those. I guess that's just perfectionism.

SPEAKER_01 34:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 34:04

Which we're of course known for.

SPEAKER_08 34:05

Now back to those banned superstitions. What do you think? Do you have any things you like refuse to do before shows or have to do?

SPEAKER_04 34:12

I always need to like my thing is like I always gotta like go to the bathroom at least once that day. You know what I mean? At least once that day. At least once.

SPEAKER_05 34:26

Wait, what do you mean?

SPEAKER_04 34:27

Like I gotta like so what? Normal show starts at eight? Yeah. So from the time I wake up to like eight, I have to use the restroom at least once.

SPEAKER_06 34:39

Ones and twos count. So any one, any twos.

SPEAKER_01 34:42

Are you shooting for both though? Are you using the phone?

SPEAKER_05 34:43

Like if you just piss, if you just piss that day, is that like what days you don't play, you do not know.

SPEAKER_04 34:51

No, I usually do. I usually do.

SPEAKER_08 34:53

That's good to have one or two of those in. Yeah. Because all my pre-show stress is mostly diarrheal. So diarrheal looks like that.

SPEAKER_05 35:01

The anxiety shit is crazy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 35:04

And that's just kind of how I live my life. I kind of need that, otherwise I I die.

SPEAKER_05 35:08

I guess it's like no nils, please. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_04 35:11

Oh no, I was just gonna say, like. Yeah, okay. Um sorry. I was just gonna say, like, there's probably a very exclusive club of people that have like shit themselves on stage. And I wanted to ask, are you part of the club? I am not part of the club.

SPEAKER_08 35:31

I'm not part of the club. But good question for this particular.

SPEAKER_07 35:35

It's sort of a pledge for that fraternity if you're gonna be able to do that.

SPEAKER_08 35:37

I don't want to air out any of my employers, but I have managed to shit my pants at every place I've ever worked. I mean, take that. Take that, boss. I'm the company dime. Take that, Walmart, Jimmers. Yeah, take that. Old country buffet.

SPEAKER_05 35:53

Okay. Like, don't speak on their name though, because that's like they fit they fit my family, man.

SPEAKER_08 35:59

I mean, fuck yes, that honey butter bread. Ooh, maybe. Yeah, it's the soft sweat machine. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 36:04

I'd get in trouble.

SPEAKER_04 36:05

Honey butter dripping down your leg, honey butter bread. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 36:09

Luckily, the cacophony of smells really, you're almost like, you know, invisible.

SPEAKER_05 36:15

Um, is it old country cafe or buffet?

SPEAKER_08 36:18

Old country buffet. Is that like we used to call it old country buffet because I don't know if it's that that's like hometown buffet, right?

SPEAKER_05 36:25

Or like golden country.

SPEAKER_08 36:28

Yeah. But I did I did talk my family into going to a golden corral with me one time. We went back to Michigan. Not that hard.

SPEAKER_05 36:34

Oh my god, we don't have gold there's no golden corral out here. Do you guys know Golden Corral?

SPEAKER_04 36:38

They're around. They're fucking. They're always in plain sight. They're hiding in plain sight. Yeah. Just relax your eyes, like a magic eye.

SPEAKER_08 36:45

Everything. And they're really swinging for the fences, but it's a Midwest place. So they're like, we do have Chinese food. We do have steaks. We do also have Italian food, pizza, and a fondue fountain and a cheese fountain.

SPEAKER_05 36:58

They'll have like the taco station.

SPEAKER_08 37:00

Yeah, taco station.

SPEAKER_05 37:02

There's like the olives and cheddar cheese.

SPEAKER_08 37:05

And then we have the deep fried section. Oh my god, it's so crazy. Spin of French fries. Or if they have a carving station. We should play a hometown. It's like steaks. They cook you with a steak to order, and it's it's true, it's like a real bad one.

SPEAKER_07 37:17

Are you guys familiar with this idea of like planned obsolescence where things are made shittier now than they ever were before? And so you buy more of them and that kind of thing. Yeah, of course. I think it's awesome.

SPEAKER_05 37:26

This is a little bit of a definitely going to I think it works like better than you think. You keep buying shit, right?

SPEAKER_07 37:32

The buffet has gone the way of the like the vacuum cleaner in that regard. Like we used to have a proper buffet culture around here, and we no longer do. Now quality suffers. Remember Sweet Tomato? Do you think phones have been?

SPEAKER_05 37:47

Yeah, it's no buffets. It's a big thing. I think buffets are going down too.

SPEAKER_08 37:56

These things are they started the buffet game and it was over. Making less babies.

SPEAKER_07 38:00

They were uh they're woven into the fabric of our society and we're losing something something real. You guys, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 38:06

Well, man, I don't know. When's the last time you guys ate way too much? Because it kinda sucks. I thought I was gonna die the other day.

SPEAKER_05 38:13

Probably like seven hours ago. Yeah. That makes sense. We're pretty glad.

SPEAKER_04 38:18

Well you guys agree.

SPEAKER_01 38:20

Yeah, we're indulgent.

SPEAKER_04 38:21

We're gluttonous people. I I yeah, I can I can when I get in eat mode, shit, get out of my way. Um I was gonna say though, I have the on the buffet thing. Did you guys also feel like cause like so like golden age of buffets, would you say like 1995 to 2007? That's probably it, yeah. Is that it? Okay, yeah. Because I was pretty young in 2007.

SPEAKER_01 38:52

Were you going to Fresh Choice?

SPEAKER_04 38:54

Yes, I was going to Fresh Choice, and I always remember every six months, Fresh Choice would close down because of like asbestos or like some. Oh, yeah, people would like almost died.

SPEAKER_08 39:04

Salmonilla and the strawberries. Yeah, the cholera and the cauliflower.

SPEAKER_05 39:08

You know where that didn't happen? CC's pizza. No, it didn't, and I missed CC's pizza. CC's Pizza Clean. A fantastic taco pizza. CC's pizza still exists, but like their their numbers are low. Like low. Not like Sears low. I just remember CC's being like all the time. CC's is very wet pizza.

SPEAKER_08 39:28

And I like especially wet cardboard pizza. When I first moved to Portland, I would go to CC's Pizza just like as a 21-year-old with no children involved at all. It felt like I was in a place I wasn't supposed to be.

SPEAKER_05 39:40

It's like $8.99, and they they're not allowed to tell you to leave.

SPEAKER_07 39:44

Well that's like one of my dark shames. Like if I go to a buffet now, it happens once every like nine months, and I will not bring another person with me. I do not want to be seen in that environment.

SPEAKER_08 39:53

I want you to go to the audience. Sushi place in Oregon City solo. And that place is we I've talked about this on the show before. Probably more in a row. Yeah. But just a quick thing. They let you order 15 things every 15 minutes. What? And then they charge you if you have food left over by the pound. Oh, that's right. So you have to eat everything.

SPEAKER_07 40:13

And you see a small window for wolfing down sushi, though. Like it's too fast.

SPEAKER_08 40:17

The main thing is you don't have to order 15 things every 15 minutes. Right. That's just the maximum you can do. And don't do that. It's too much.

SPEAKER_05 40:25

Yeah, or like have you guys heard about this? Is like something like probably one of the only podcasts I've ever listened to. I think it was a Bill Hader thing. They're talking about like the Bill? I don't know, somebody. I don't know who people are. It was the Taco Bell challenge of like you, you, you like it's kind of like icing a friend of like you hand this thing to somebody. Um you like get get a friend a $25 like Taco Bell gift card. And you say, hey, here. And they have to use the entire gift card and they have to eat everything. Because $25 at a Taco Bell back when this when I heard this. Maybe this isn't quite true anymore, but it's like $25 at a Taco Bell used to be like an unnatural amount of food. It used to be a lot. It used to be insane. Now it's really easy to probably get that. And now it's still an unnatural amount of food.

SPEAKER_04 41:15

It's quite considerably a Taco Bell. You would be shocked. Well, what do you guys of like all the fast food places that come to mind? Like what place do you think has the most like vile, disgusting like kitchen environment where if you walked in there, you would be like, oh my god, people eat this. This is a good thing. I would have to go immediately to Long John Silvers.

SPEAKER_08 41:38

Yeah, that's some shit. All of this deep fried fish, deep oil.

SPEAKER_05 41:46

Oh yes. I cannot believe all three of those cuisines.

SPEAKER_07 41:49

It's navy rules in there. It's like that's like ship culture. They are swabbing the deck constantly. There is swabbing the deck. They are crazy. It's like a, you know, they are ruled with an iron fist by an admiral. Okay. That's uh you gotta go to Chick-fil-A. Stanley Space. It's like eating gold.

SPEAKER_05 42:07

I thought Chick-fil-A was like the cleanest.

SPEAKER_07 42:09

No, I bet it's full of turrets.

SPEAKER_05 42:11

I bet every night in that Chick-fil-A that you waited an hour for again on Sundays it like rots in there. Oh yeah. God cleans on Sunday. Sunday's like the required like staff orgy. Probably. Probably so like all the windows are dark.

SPEAKER_07 42:27

It's only a heteronormative orgy. Of course it is. A lot of shaming.

SPEAKER_05 42:32

Like you they accidentally forget to lock the door and you don't know it's Sunday, so you charge into the lobby of a Chick-fil-A, and it's just like fucking.

SPEAKER_07 42:41

In their defense, they do have no pube or hairnet policy for those orgies. You're unlikely to pluck a hair in out of your chicken sandwich. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_05 42:51

I feel like Carl Jr. is probably the place where like you you would like get like a toenail. And it's like I get like I under people post like I found a stick or I found a metal shaving in my Taco Bell or in my In and Out. And I'm like, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. Or indifference meets cheapness. Yeah, I guess. I feel like you go to a Carl's Jr. at like two in the afternoon and there's like a toenail in there. Because that like someone had to choose someone had to do that.

SPEAKER_08 43:21

I was eating a taco, I've had many, many taco experiences at Taco Bell, but I was eating a like a soft shell taco, and it had uh much a bread tag on it that must have come off of the lettuce, I'm imagining.

SPEAKER_07 43:32

A bread tag, what does that mean?

SPEAKER_08 43:33

Like a bread, like one of those little plastic things that you like through the through its life cycle? Like you wrap up the top of the bag on when you have the lettuce snippet. One of those little plastic tabs with in my taco. So like I was like, oh man, that's cool. They're using real lettuce. That's actually okay.

SPEAKER_05 43:49

Oh, like a bread tag for the bag of lettuce.

SPEAKER_08 43:51

That's what I thought. Maybe it was for the tortillas. They're using real lettuce. Maybe it was for the tortillas. I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 43:55

They're using real lettuce, like and you ascertain that from the from the bread tag?

SPEAKER_07 44:00

Because like it's how much plastic is in this ground beef that I'm eating. Oh, yeah, but I guess it's like when you're making a smoothie with some kale in there and some of the kale doesn't get like chopped up thoroughly and you get a bite when you swallow, that's what you got.

SPEAKER_08 44:16

Oh, you were thinking they got the their lettuce is actually bread tags? Yeah, it's mostly bread tags.

SPEAKER_04 44:22

Me and Ace have and I think Grace too. Like I think we've talked about I this just made me think of that scenario where it's like if you could go back and give a caveman like three things, it would be a new iPhone, it would be like some just fucking Taco Bell bullshit, like a crunchy chalupa.

SPEAKER_05 44:43

Like give them like a contrap Supreme, like nothing basic. It'd be like them like a loaded potato griller.

SPEAKER_08 44:50

Yeah, one of those one of those Diablo dusted nugget packs. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 44:56

Something that sucks, like oh, we did the cheese it fucking like a fucking phone.

SPEAKER_04 45:04

Give them a Dorito giant fucking stupid company and made this fucking bullshit.

SPEAKER_05 45:10

What else would we give them?

SPEAKER_04 45:12

It was the four loco. So it'd be like a phone with like TikTok and reels, fucking crazy Taco Bell Order, and Four Loco, and just I mean it would probably die.

SPEAKER_05 45:25

Could you imagine like beaten organic your entire life in the cigarette? It would kill itself.

SPEAKER_08 45:29

It would look like it would be like overloaded, it would be coming down. Or it would like look at it and smell it and be like, this isn't food. I don't put this in my body and never actually ingest it. Yeah. Probably not though, but I just paper enough. It sounds delicious. I mean, I wouldn't be able to deny any of Taco Bell's wild swings. I try them all. I can't wait for that Pop Rock's burrito to come out. It's gonna be so sick later this month. Is that a real thing? Yeah, Chipotle Pop Rocks in this burrito. Like one with the firecracker burrito. And Taco Bell, if you fucking don't put this out, I'm gonna be so mad at you. Is this real? I expected the Taco Bell went buck wild this year and did like a press release and like had like Anderson Pack DJ it and like uh Vince uh I think Vince Staples MC this Taco Bell press release. It was like 26 things they're doing this year, and they're rolling them out like every month. They already did like mini crunch wrap supremes full of chicken, and now they have uh these nacho fries. Oh, they announced nacho fries are back forever. Yeah, and they're making a hot sauce packet you can eat that's full of cheese hot sauce. That's cool, and many desserts.

SPEAKER_05 46:38

Wow, you are not lying. The firecracker burrito. Yeah, that's for real. Taco Bell testing cayenne popping crystals, spicy red orange, pop rock light candy.

SPEAKER_08 46:48

I cannot fucking wait for this.

SPEAKER_05 46:50

It's part of their firecracker.

SPEAKER_07 46:51

Testing everybody. They're really just experimenting on their customers.

SPEAKER_08 46:54

We are approaching end times and they are like, we can do whatever we want. The Tesla burrito. The phone burrito. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 47:02

The TikTok burrito. That was awesome looking at my phone just now. That was so great. Yeah, that was really great. That's really good. Nils, when you were recording this record, um like at what point did you realize um that you are a musician?

SPEAKER_07 47:23

You could do this. You could do this. Um wow.

SPEAKER_04 47:29

Um let's talk, let's talk about like what you would give a caveman more.

SPEAKER_07 47:34

Alright, I'll tell you what, we'll take a little music break. I think I think people are thirsty for a little more. Can I use the restroom? And you're been listening to this.

SPEAKER_08 47:42

Let me hit you with something fucking nasty right between the ears, you guys.

SPEAKER_05 47:46

Nasty Nate, pop and shit. I mean, I know your name's not Nate. You know, nasty Nate is like running the board over there.

SPEAKER_07 47:53

The nastiest person in the room right now.

SPEAKER_08 47:55

There's a lot of like famous that are like just people's names, right? Yeah, so like Emerson Lake and Palmer, and you've got your Crosby Stills Nash. Let me introduce you to Orcut Shelley Miller. Cool. Now, this shit is some fucking deep shit. They are a badass band, and uh, let's see here. My eyes don't work and I can't read anymore. But just know that that Shelley is the drummer from Sonic Youth. He is playing in this band. That's Steve Shelley. Yeah, that's Steve Shelley, you guys. And the other two names are also famous fucking guys. Wow. So get into it. It's yeah, it's this dude, Ethan Miller. He's in a band called Howling Rain, Comets on Fire. Fucking Radband.

SPEAKER_06 48:42

Fuck yeah.

SPEAKER_08 48:43

And yeah. So you're gonna hear this shit.

SPEAKER_07 48:46

What's the name of this song, Andy?

SPEAKER_08 48:48

It's fucking It's escaping me right now because I'm doing this old style.

SPEAKER_07 48:53

It's funny, I've seen the I've seen the print on your phone, and it is it's massive.

SPEAKER_08 48:57

I make it as big as possible, but I have done four dabs now and smoked two joints, and I can't read anymore. So I'm gonna just play this song. This is off of their album. It's a self-titled Orcut and Shelly Miller album, and the fucking rules you should definitely get this. It's out on silver current record, and I'm gonna play you a song called An LA Feud.

SPEAKER_05 53:35

I have a friend who was uh working a show and um he uh it it's uh when you're a stage hand, and I'm a stage hand, and I think uh by being an artist and being in bands, I naturally tend to not like be normal around other like really notable artists uh if I can help it, um, because I think that's just common courtesy, especially when you are a stage hand and are like backstage in a secure area where it's like treat them normal because this is their like this is a safe area for them, so to speak, away from the stage.

SPEAKER_08 54:11

We're both working, right?

SPEAKER_05 54:13

Yeah, exactly. And I was like, I was yeah, and I say that to a lot of them. Um I'm kidding. No, actually I'm not. Um but he was working a dog star show. Um and I don't even think this was in Oregon, but uh like working at a dogstar show, Keanu Reeves was there and they had had where whereas usually they um don't have oh no, it was it was here. Um usually they don't have a meeting. Um but this time they had two separate staff meetings about like, hey, Keanu Reeves is gonna be here. You have to be normal. Like do not be weird. And then like the moment Keanu kill you, the moment Keanu Reeves got there, like this one like younger dude that worked there was like was like talking to everyone about like where is he, and like like like he took like as soon as he was in the room, he took a distant selfie with him, and it was bad. It was just like you just don't know what your truck is. And the kid was at both meetings, apparently, according to my friend.

SPEAKER_08 55:12

Um you never know how you're gonna react.

SPEAKER_05 55:13

And he he was he was like immediately like Keanu Reeves uh security guard and the production manager for Dogstar, um, immediately were like, he needs to go, immediately. And the kid like got ejected from the show, fired, and just like apparently it was like this really bad situation where this does not happen too often, but like I found it so funny that this kid survived two meetings about like please don't be weird about being in a room. It's a privilege to be in the room in a room with Keanu Reeves, apparently, and like please don't be weird about it. And the kid the second he was in the room was just like a terror. Do you think that was Keanu Reeves's calls?

SPEAKER_04 55:50

Reeves's calls. He's a nice guy.

SPEAKER_08 55:52

He seems like he's a really nice guy. Seems like a down-to-earth guy. He's got a super cool wife. I feel like he's cool. I feel like he's cool. But what if he's a real piece of shit? Yeah, maybe it's a dude. If one person takes a faraway selfie of me, I'm gonna do that. Here's what I think probably ruin their life. I'm here to play this bass, and that's it. Whoever is making that call. When I'm here, I'm a dog star.

SPEAKER_07 56:15

They have seen that little twitchy behavior, and nine out of ten times it goes real bad real fast. Yeah. And so they can spot it from across the room.

SPEAKER_05 56:23

I think so, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 56:24

And that guy may have been totally cool, left to his own devices.

SPEAKER_05 56:26

Yeah, I did not know this.

SPEAKER_07 56:28

But uh that I think that just gets flagged from experience and people are like, yeah, that's a good thing.

SPEAKER_08 56:32

Like he really survived two meetings, huh? He's gonna be he's gonna be a problem.

SPEAKER_01 56:36

Yeah, he's got the seasoned guy. Didn't didn't Keanu did was he the guy whose house got broken into?

SPEAKER_04 56:42

Some John Wicked that happened.

SPEAKER_01 56:45

No, like I think it was Keanu he like came outside and some woman was swimming in his pool.

SPEAKER_05 56:50

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 56:51

I want to say that was him.

SPEAKER_05 56:52

Well, I don't know that one. That kind of makes sense though.

SPEAKER_01 56:54

Yeah. So he's probably got like the seasoned guys. What's that on his own?

SPEAKER_08 56:59

He seems pretty chill. He also freaked me out because he trained in like guns for all those John Wick movies and is an actual like ranked professional marksman. Really? He like competes in those like speed training things where he's like going through a thing and shooting real guns at targets. He could have shot that woman in his pool and then she'd have been dead before she even realized.

SPEAKER_07 57:21

Yeah. No, he was just like. I think it's also okay not to be chill about someone breaking into your home and swimming in your pool. Like if that does push you over the edge a little bit and you get a little unchill about it, I think that's totally.

SPEAKER_08 57:32

I feel like it's okay to be upset about it, but also open your mind to maybe this person's just really cool. You just maybe your new best friend.

SPEAKER_05 57:38

Total diva is irate to find car bomb beneath their seat.

SPEAKER_07 57:43

Well, we all are aspiring public figures, you know, whether you would frame it that way or not. Like, oh no, I definitely do. Oh yeah. Do you think that there I because I personally think that when you become a famous person in the public light, part of you does belong to the public. And I'm I'm there's gotta be lines and there's like human decency, but I think there is a forfeiture of some of your individual liberty because of that. And I wonder if y'all would agree or disagree.

SPEAKER_05 58:08

I think I think that's a I I think that's a hot take that isn't uh without its merit. I I I I think I'm compelled by God what is an example I'm thinking of thinking of Big Thief. You guys know the band Big Thief, celebrated like American Folk Act. Um fan fantastic, and I remember seeing a really great show of theirs at Project Taps in 2024, I think. Um and they played 13 songs, but 10 of them had never been played live before and were at that time totally unreleased. And I remember a lot of people in the crowd, it was I thought it was incredible, and it was a lot of great music and songs that were I thought were played really well. Very loud and kind of like psychedelic almost, just from the like kind of mixing and like I watched it from over the fence.

SPEAKER_08 59:01

Oh, yeah. I took my son to see um Denzel Curry, who played the other stage right before that, who was really good, and my son knew every single word and was just like this is incredible! It was like an all-time show for him. So we just watched it from the other side of the fence.

SPEAKER_05 59:15

Yeah, of course, yeah. I think a lot of people did. They put an eight-foot fence between people and big thief.

SPEAKER_07 59:18

But if your son felt the way about uh that he does about Denzel Curry about Big Thief, he would have been quite disappointed because he wouldn't he he would not have known a single word. Denzel Curry brought the heat.

SPEAKER_08 59:29

Somebody at one point handed us tickets over the fence, like, do you guys want to come in? And he was so stoked and ran all the way around.

SPEAKER_05 59:34

And you're like, no, we like it out here.

SPEAKER_08 59:36

And it turns out it's 21 and over. Yeah, it's like this is a beer place.

SPEAKER_05 59:44

But yeah, we um like I remember a lot of people being kind of upset about it that that night, and I wasn't, but I did kind of get it. Yeah, where I was like, Yeah, I suppose if I went to see Big Thief, it would be nice to hear something I've heard before.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:02

Yeah, oh that happened to my friend just last week with the band Roikasop. You know those guys? Yeah, oh yeah. They came to town and he didn't realize it was Roikasop DJ set. It was upstairs at the get down, whatever the upstairs is called.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:15

Oh, DJ set is like, dude, to not know that it's a DJ set is devastating.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:19

He came in and was so bummed. It's one of his all-time favorite bands, and he was like, dude, they were playing 90s and 2000s house music. That's just what they were into, and that's what they played, and that was it. And it's like he's like, Some of it was okay, but a lot of it was just like I would just remember that it wasn't them performing, and I would be like, Man, this is not what I came for. So that can be a bummer. But that's like right there on the flyer.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:39

That's how I felt when I broke into Keanu Reeves's house and was swimming in his pool. I was like, Well, no, do the John Wick thing, and he wouldn't, is really obsessional. I was like, What do you mean?

SPEAKER_08 1:00:49

And he's like, No.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:51

Well, that's like from an artistic standpoint of like having servicing your uh your fans with your direction. Yeah, well, and and with with your art. Yeah, and it's like uh They pay tickets for the show, you gotta do the greatest hits.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:06

Yeah, and like it's weird how it's like you don't I I feel like I don't quite feel that strongly about it, but I do feel like it's like you could almost metaphorically throw them a bone of like, you know, if they're if you're playing like nothing but like experimental, like ambient like noise would be like an artistic statement for us. But people would be like, Boy, we were we sure we're excited to hear songs from the album you just put out.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:31

Yeah. There's uh the band Counting Crows, you know, a mainstream, very famous band. Yeah, the second greatest band ever. When you see them live, they do not play any of their songs the way they are. So they're technically playing Rain King Mr. Jones or whatever. But he's doing his weird, like interpretive. I've seen them twice, just I had gotten free tickets. Actually, the first show I ever went to in my life when I was a kid was them and live amazing by Wallflowers.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:56

Counting crows in a fucking heartbeat. That's a live too.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:59

But uh yeah, so it's it's it's fucking annoying. It's almost more annoying that way. I'd rather you play me the new shit than play me the bastardized versions of the song that I actually came to see.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:09

That's almost like that. No, they're they're all like crooning it these days, all these guys. It's like it's kind of the marker of like, okay, you're you're you're throwing it in. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:21

I saw a Steve Miller band one time and he just played blues covers, and then he did this big medley of like his songs. Oh.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:32

Steve Miller blues covers. Yeah. What a fucking that's uh the definition of purgatory.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:40

He was older and he kind of was turning thing where it's like.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:43

I'm not being tortured per se, but my soul will be there for a thousand.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:46

Three hours and it's really hot. And the ceiling's low.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:50

And it ends with a fucking Steve Miller medley.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:53

The floor is like sticky and slanted, and you'd like you cannot leave. Meanwhile, for your wife has a whip at the end.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:00

It's a bowl of half-melted ice cream that then gives you diet.

SPEAKER_08 1:03:03

I thought it was pretty cool. I was like, man, is he playing smokestack light then?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:08

I would be so uh elated to see that personally. And he's gonna be so sick of his shit. I would try to get backstage.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:15

Would you try to like if you were around some like bullshit like I don't know, like Steve Miller or like maybe not I was gonna say Van Morrison, but that's a bad example. Yeah, he's kind of a rough. He looks like a baked potato. Um but like like would you try to get backstage? Would you use your charms? Because I it I couldn't do it, it wouldn't work.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:35

You're saying it wouldn't work?

SPEAKER_05 1:03:36

Yeah, not if I did it, but like, you know, would you would- Would I be like, I want to be would I can't erase that guy?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:42

Would I want to be near that guy? Where's Steve Miller? Where's Steve Miller?

SPEAKER_05 1:03:45

No, like hi, I'm crazy. Can I think I can I see Steve Miller? I'm Grace.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:51

Yeah, absolutely. Try to like and Van Morrison too. They're all they're all gone. I love it.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:55

I would love it if the real answer is that you would save your save that your wily charms for Steve Miller. What an amazing like cool around all the other selections.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:07

Oh my god, Todd Runngren would have been crazy.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:08

You know what? I would do that. I think the person I would probably be like incapable of being normal around would be like, it wouldn't even be like Carcy Tedrest or like Phil Elvrim or anybody, it would be Beck. If I was if I was anywhere near Beck, I'd be like, I have to get a photo with this fuck, I have to freak on this fool. I'm like, why don't you fucking repress midnight vultures, dude? Please fanata print on vinyl for like 25 years. You're a bum.

unknown 1:04:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:36

No, actually, I love this so much.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:39

I don't think I'd know.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:41

I feel like it would be kind of hard to like tell. Like he kind of like if he says like, hey, I'm Beck, then I'll be like, whoa!

SPEAKER_05 1:04:47

I'm a loser baby.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:49

Then I'll be like, oh, you're the guy.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:57

I'm a loser baby. Wait, is that uh I'm a I'm a I'm a loser baby. And he's just like stone faced. It's like, and I will not let him go.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:06

So do you think you could like point out Beck if you like walk?

SPEAKER_05 1:05:10

I could definitely point out Beck from like a mile.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:13

The the the wide brim hat would be a dead, dead giveaway.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:15

Okay, but if you're Beck stage I've seen pictures of Beck from black.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:20

He usually has two turntables and a microphone, too.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:23

Excluding and a beer can. And um what's the what else? A black tambourine. Yeah, no, it's a giant dildo crushing the sun.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:33

Oh, you're right. Oh, I thought that'd bad.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:34

Like she's my nightmare hippie girl. Um God, I love Beck so much. Yeah, Beck is awesome. I would forget if I met Becky. Beck is shorter, he seems like he's still a big man.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:45

I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:46

He seems like a small guy to me. He's like average or slightly below average height.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:50

I saw him like once, and he like I couldn't quite tell from where he was standing exactly what his height was, but I know he was like the proportions that when he like raised his hand up once, his shirt lifted up. And you could see a little bit of his belly button. So I think maybe his torso is a little longer than the other thing.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:04

I don't think I would have handled seeing back's belly button very well. Like I think there would have been an incident.

SPEAKER_08 1:06:10

That's not even a selection.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:12

I want it understood. Oh no, it was unsexual. It was unsexual. It was an incident regarding his belly button.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:17

Depends who's asking.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:22

Really? Seven decades. Tom Petty another person. Like if Tom Petty was is Tom Petty alive. Tom Petty is a good one. No, he's very dead. He's very dead. Is he very dead? He's very dead. Okay, what about Iggy Pop? Like, would you be a fucking question? Yeah. Would you like try to get back there?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:40

Absolutely. See it? Dude, it leans. You know that it leans so hard. That thing has a gnarly curve.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:50

It's like an old train. That guy performs like he has. He's like crescent-shaped at this point. It's fucking unbelievable.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:03

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:04

He's got like um, he wears like one platform flip-flop and then one regular shoe when he like, yeah. And you just know that like little Iggy's doing the same thing.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:15

Like, there's no imagine the nutsack. It's like it's not talking about crazy bobsided.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:20

For real though, like that dude is like, he's gotta peel that thing off the side of his knee after everyone. Yeah, and their pants all the time.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:28

It's cooler now than he has ever been. And it's like with the brown brownie skin and everything.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:38

I don't think he wears underwear. I don't think so. Like it's gotta be. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:42

Like, is there a naked photo of it?

SPEAKER_07 1:07:43

Talk about 710. That that those pants are full of oil. That is oil day.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:48

Yeah, dragon's blood tincture, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:07:51

Do you think you like spray tans, or are they like that?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:58

I think he's got one of those old trifold mirror things that like, you know, a cap captures the sun reflects it on you. I think he's calling it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:05

I think so too.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:06

It's kind of crazy. He's like so old, he's gonna kind of die looking like how he is now. Like he's probably gonna die in like tight leather fucking pants, shirtless. I hope that guy dies live.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:18

Sort of like mummifying himself right now. I hope he dies during a show. Oh my god, he does one of those big backbones and his whole body is doing fucking.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:33

They're gonna dig up his mummies, gonna have that same impeccable, like lived-in blonde Jennifer Aniston as hair poking out. Yeah, yeah. That stuff is that stuff, that's the vitality right there. Like, I don't think he's gonna die because it's like the texture of that of that hair is insane.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:48

Beautiful hair, beautiful belly button. Yeah, dude. I'm talking about his belly button wants to like leave. Yeah, that's true. Grace, so when you were recording this record, at what point did you realize that you wanted your belly to look exactly like Iggy Pop's belly?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:04

I hope I live long enough for my my belly to look like Iggy Pop's.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:11

The leathery brown skin.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:12

It's weird because it's like he's he's he's so trim, but it's like he's got the like um I always equate it to the top of like you guys know the tops of brownies after they're come out of the oven. Yes. They're like kind of crinkly. Yeah. That's kind of like what his stomach reminds me of. It's kind of like he has he has he has the tops of brownies.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:31

Oh man, that shit is amazing.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:32

Well, at least you did provide a nice uh segue for us in your role as co-host tonight. Um I'd love to hear some more music. I know you brought at least one more, and if not two more songs. Grace, what's uh round two tonight?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:43

Well, I like We are gonna play hair, which is just the new song. Okay, thank you. Um I we could play a another unreleased one if we if we so chose. We have unreleased material. More shoes. Oh, that's but this is hair.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:00

This is what's out of here.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:01

This is a new single.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:01

I didn't know. Unreleased material? Oh, wait, the record's not out yet.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:05

Yeah, the record's not out yet. Nice. All right, nice.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:08

This one's called hair. This guy doesn't even know.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:35

And people are a few scant weeks away from being able to get it digitally as well. So one thing I'm always curious about is like when you chart progress, we've talked about some of the metrics you all think about, but like what's the thing that you learn the most making this record?

SPEAKER_01 1:12:52

About about ourselves or about making this progress? I guess anything.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:57

Anything. Like what was the what was the biggest like key takeaway from this process that maybe was different than the other albums?

SPEAKER_05 1:13:04

I suppose, at least for me, that um it it once you are doing things on a professional scale. Because our first three releases we did fully self-released. Yeah. But once you're doing things um uh uh professionally, even on like a very like uh like independent, like small legal scale, it is it takes so much longer to get stuff done purely from an like uh an industry standpoint of like waiting for records to have their turn to be pressed, or like having something like professionally mastered and the the the gestation period I guess is like so much more substantial very long we're we're losing record pressing plans left and right, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:55

Yeah, that's very true.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:59

Yeah. I'll take you back off of Nils's earlier sentiment about having people in your court when you're doing something like this, is it's it's not just your stakes anymore. Like we can play, we used to play four times a month. And we were just kind of gig is a gig in it for a long time, and by the fourth one there'd be nobody there. Um and we weren't you know, there was no need to drum up anticipation for anything. It was just like we're gonna play because either we have to. And the only the only issue is like we're gonna have a bummer time. When you when someone has fronted you, you know, money or merchandise or whatever, there is like a way higher stake to perform and perform well and perform to many because someone someone banked on you. So there's like definitely a little more uh like I don't want I don't even want to say pressure, but like incentive to wait on things because you really want to develop like you want to give out something good, you want to give it out not too often. Yeah. The oversaturation thing was something we had to hone in pretty quickly.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:17

Yeah, at least in terms of like live shows. Because I felt good about putting out a release as often as possible. But in terms of like the live shows, I think it did become a thing of like, oh well like it it people are really stoked to see I don't know um whatever band like come through once a year or once every two years.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:42

It creates a little, yeah, like scarcity.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:45

Yeah, but I think we started to like mirror some of or or think about mirroring some of like the professional aspects of like music, and I think that's you know like goes without saying in terms of us getting on a like a independent label and working with something like a PR like organization at all of like um trying to like move into the next echelon, the next tier of like working on this thing. Um for the purpose of like doing it as best we can, of course. Totally.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:22

And like they they sort of I mean I would imagine they feed each other because you know you gotta meet that moment. Like when you've been given that investment and some other using it you have to step up. And when you're ready to level up as a band creatively, you need that partner that you both described. So I can see how it feeds into each other. Um you're ready to work hard on something. Yeah, pooping it out. Do you think okay, so I like this idea of like a longer gestation period? That's a pretty vivid metaphor. How does that map against like what your typical creative cycle looks like? Because I play Nate and I both play music in bands. We basically go through a period where you write, and then you go deep into your gestation period, we start over again. It's sort of just like you know, that's our cycle, but we're we have no mistakes.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:05

So like what how do those two things match up for you as I think uh I feel like uh we will definitely while it's been in the past and for this last record too, is we play the new stuff live like a lot. You know? Because it's not like it's not like we're really in a place or like many local bands are in a place where it's like I mean, maybe there's like one or two where it's like, okay, people like the song, we should play it. Um but for the most part, the rest of the set is just like we're just gonna play some shit. Because it's kind of like people come to a see a local band, and if they like it, it's not like it's not like oh my god, like maybe maybe it is for some bands, not really for us. Like it's different than Big Thief.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:56

The expectation is just like that.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:57

Yeah, it's like I listen let us. Yeah, like I listen to the song to like get over like a death in my face. Like, you know, like the we just do not exist in that space. Absolutely. So we can kind of just really use our live sets to like uh workshop certain stuff. Because what was nice about the last one was that I felt like we were able to like go in and track all the songs in like one or two takes, you know? Because we like really it's like in your bones at that point. Yeah, because like that was something I remember, and we recorded this one like a while ago now, honestly. But almost a year, yeah, like almost a year, like since we recorded it, and then right after you gave that caveman that four loco. Yes, yes, right around that same time. Yeah, like almost awesome, like yeah, like two million years after that. Now it's two million and one years, but um yeah, like uh it was just weird because like all of the other albums are when I don't know, because it sounds like you guys have played in some projects before, you know, and you like listen back to like something, and you have your little like you have your oh that's cool, but then you're also like critiquing it too.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:16

Oh yeah. I mean like I yeah, I either love an old recording or I think it's the worst thing in the world. There's no there's like no in between. But yes, I understand, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:25

Yeah, because like I almost feel like when you play it live, it like uh you kind of like mesh it. Like it almost gets better, you know, in a weird way. And a lot of these songs, for the most part, we were playing live for like a while. And then we recorded it, and it felt a little more in its like final put-together form. Because it's like all the other albums we like finished writing it and then we kind of immediately recorded it. Yep and then we play those songs live. There's all this like all these like cool things that we do like with it like rhythmically or like adding or taking away like certain parts where this most recent album feels like we already did that, so it's kind of in its like final form, I guess. Nice.

SPEAKER_08 1:20:13

Kind of like when I'm pulling reclaim out of my dab rig. Yes, you're smoking that resin that's just like fallen through and it's stuck in the stem. Is that called Scooby Snacks or something? It's disgusting. Yeah, yeah. Let me tell you, that is a nasty dab. That is the darkest, like most choking smoke I've ever had in my life. Oh yeah, I got some right now, it's nice.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:34

No man left behind. No. No dab left behind. No. So where where are you guys?

SPEAKER_08 1:20:39

Jam a toothpick in there.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:40

Where are you? Are you writing new things? Or is is your you're a year away from this music? Is like is there a year's worth of music now ready to be starting the recording process? Like where you guys find yourselves. Not really.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:52

No. We we really carved out a talking about being in a band phase. That's the new one. That's what the dude talking about being in a band is.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:01

If there's no immediate show, Grace coined like today's practice is going to be talking about being in a band. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:08

Which earlier Grace was like, yeah, we used to do like four shows a month. Now it's like, yeah, we just never never play shows. It's like, oh, do you record? No. It's like, or oh, you're like writing. It's like, oh, not really.

unknown 1:21:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:25

A lot of emails.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:26

It's like, what are you doing? It's like mostly emails. Yeah. Emails. Emails, uh, scheming the next social post. Yeah. Nice.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:34

Yeah, like like waiting on two people waiting on one of the other three to reply. No. Or something that they could just call them about. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:45

That just sounds like a job. You guys are just describing a lot of people's work. We're talking now. That's true. Yeah. Yeah. You kind of caught us at a bad time. Uh no, it's just interesting. Like, I uh I'm sure it was a pretty intense process to get this thing done the way that you wanted, the way the label was supporting. I'm sure it takes it out of you. I'm sure like sometimes you just need to like and if you're going from playing four shows a month to tapering back to doing this next level recording, maybe it's not you just need a little break to recharge.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:14

Yeah. Chris, our our label dad is he's Chris Martin, no. Chris Martin with K.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:19

Spoke in Washington.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:20

Um Spoken Washington. Right. So dope.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:22

Not from cold play.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:23

No, no, not that Chris. Fortunately not.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:26

I don't think K R I S. K R I S Martin. Yeah, Chris Martin. Um he so dope. Just corporate. I mean, he accepted, I think we had already recorded it. We were trying to find someone to think that was probably attractive. And our first phone call with him, he's like, I'll never tell you what to do. I'll tell you if I think something's a bad idea. You know, it and that was a great idea.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:48

I remember him saying that. That was awesome. Absolutely. Tell you something. I think something's a bad idea.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:53

Has he given you any bad ideas? Have any bad ideas organically surfaced, or are you basically on the other hand?

SPEAKER_05 1:22:58

No, he's been really receptive to all of our test him on that. You need to write something bad. Come up with some bullshit. Not even music, just be like, hey, what if we did this? And he's like, don't obviously like you're insane. It's like, no, I think we should play six dates in Central Florida.

SPEAKER_08 1:23:14

Yeah, you should play Swamp Fest next year, every night.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:17

I mean Oh my god, yeah, we should play Swamp Fest. Wait, that's that like mud rud.

SPEAKER_08 1:23:22

That mud and skateboarding and dirt biking festival where at the end of the weekend they light everything on fire. Do you guys feel about this? There's punk bands and metal bands that play in the middle of these bits. That sounds about right. People are hitting jumps on dirt bikes in the middle of the crowd.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:36

Are you are you from the south or something? No, but I've been there. Oh, yeah. I'm from Florida. Okay, which is not the South, actually. But like I was just seeing if maybe that's like why you knew about like Florida stuff.

SPEAKER_08 1:23:48

I'm a skateboard fan.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:50

Oh, I see. Gotcha.

SPEAKER_08 1:23:51

Uh once once Thrasher got a hold of it, I was like, holy shit, and it's been going along a lot longer than that.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:56

Swampest looks so sick. That also looks like a gator bite horror story waiting to happen, though. If everyone's in like the water. I feel like most of the animals are probably afraid at that point, but like who swims in Florida? Actually, a lot of people do. I did.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:11

I tried to get flying across this rail across this muddy swamp. It's awesome. It's really cool.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:17

After like 18 beers. Florida. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:21

That sounds alright. In the abstract. Um we have time for one more song, right? There's one more in the catalog.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:27

I didn't send it to you, but I could I could get it to you. No, there was another one. Was there oh, oh, this is the one that's not ours. Oh, good, yeah. This is this is you wanted a you wanted a friend or associates. Um, rheumatoid trapezoid.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:45

So sick. Um I didn't know. This is a surprise to me.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:49

Yes. I mean, you know what? I did text you about it earlier, but as it goes.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:55

It's lost in what is apparently a C of course by the way.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:58

It was probably in the group chat.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:00

I've muted it.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:02

They also would be so good on a podcast. They're hilarious.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:05

So those guys, like they talk about Mr.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:08

Pib a lot. Like Dr. Pib. Dr. Pib. Yeah, that stuff is good. Sorry, Grace, you were saying.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:14

They're just always the two of them. We'll be loading out of the show, and I'm like, where's Ace? Where's Nils? I walk out, it's just those two helping us load out. And because it saves us time loading out, they help. Well, I've like No, they do hella help.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:30

This is this is true, but like I I think it is they're like they distract just as much as they're dude, they're holding the end of my cable at least or something. It becomes like an equivalent rate of if we're just doing it ourselves. Like, want me to help you. Well, that's what I'm saying, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:45

Yes, exactly. We get it down in like half the trips, and then we spend the rest of the time literally talking about the state of our bowel movements for about five minutes. But they are they are cracked out math musicians.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:59

Shout out, shout out rheumatoid, shout out Andrew, shout out uh Benjamin with four eyes, all four eyes, little phone, shout out to the phone. This is rheumatoid trapezoid. This is phone. This is Zane Low. Thanks for listening.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:16

It's called Firmly Placed Atop Yahweh. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:20

Great name. I read the first 20. You read the first 20 Goose? I had a friend who was like a what is it? Was it uh what was the the the thing where you could order books out of a magazine? This is like maybe before y'all's time, but school. Scholastic, yes. Like he was part of some scholastic club. They would mail him every month the newest Goose Club.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:32

He hated Scholastic too. Did he really R L? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:36

What's the R and the L stand for?

SPEAKER_05 1:33:40

Real loud. Real loud star. He comes in with like dreadlocks and like a drug rug hoodie on with a big line on it. He's like, oh my god, dude, it's real loud Stein. That's why everybody famously knows what he looks like, you know. Iris Stein. Iris unbelievable. Oh my god, I'm going to hell. Um no, R.L. Stein is like, I was really into like the goosebumps like uh series, the show, and I'd read a lot of the books as a kid, but I still Halloween season watch a lot of the um. Was the show good? It was like the show was really good. It was really good children's television. It was like highly regarded, it won some like awards for like its writing. It's actually really impressive story. It's a great show. I think low cost production values is amazing.

SPEAKER_08 1:34:29

I watched a very bad show on Netflix about people that sell stuff at auctions, and they went to R.L. Stein's house and got him to sign something with them.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:37

That's so sad.

SPEAKER_08 1:34:38

And it's like it's called like golden entertainment. They're like the people that sell auctions for like sporting sports cards and comic books and stuff like that. But he did say, This is the typewriter that I typed all my goosebumps books on. And I want you to always typewriter. And then he was like, and I only typed. And he said, I always only typed with one finger, and he held up that finger, and it was so gnarled and like strong, and it was the coolest fucking thing. I was like, dude, you just like it. It was like it had been cursed. Like it was like a monkeys paw. It did kind of look like that. It was like, dude, that looks like it hurts. Like it hurt you to write these books, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:12

So do you think that like Stephen King looks at Arl Stein and goes, or like, do you think that it's like Do you think that Arl Stein ever like because obviously Arlstein wins, but in terms of quality, you might say Stephen King.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:30

I don't think Stephen King's hurting for a single second. That dude's written a lot more than I think Arl Stein did.

SPEAKER_07 1:35:35

I also think I think Stephen King is also just like an advocate of people like reading. Like he read like, you know, penny pulp fiction and shit when he was a kid, which is why he writes what he writes. So I think I I might bet Stephen King's like, yeah, Arl Stein. Stephen King is one for the culture.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:50

Stephen King has like uh royalties from like the shining and the it movies. Like he has more than signed for a short time.

SPEAKER_08 1:35:56

I like that Stephen King's son also is a horror writer, so it's just like oh man, that's wild shit. To be Stephen King's son and be like, yeah, actually I'm gonna call myself Joe Hill. He's good too. Fuck you guys, I'm also a horror writer. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:09

Are you guys familiar with Viper at all? The guy that has like a billion albums. No, not a billion.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:16

He has like 600 something. Yeah, he has like 600 albums. He was recording like multiple albums a day for like a few years.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:25

Well, then he started outsourcing is now the the word on the street. Yeah, well, he just takes Ryan. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:30

It's such a bummer to not be able to trust Viper anymore.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:34

But I'm curious, like, I don't know, who's the R who's the not the R.L. Stein? Who's the Viper of authors that just churns out? James Patterson. James Patterson. That's the gas station guy? Or Clive Cussler. Clive Cussler, our boy cuss. Oh, I mean you normally gas station and you got all the books. Oh, yeah. And it's always like some tall cowboy like about to kiss some like.

SPEAKER_07 1:36:58

Absolutely uh James Patterson in there. For sure.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:01

Like Yeah, because they see James Patterson, but he has like hundreds of books, right?

SPEAKER_07 1:37:05

Like he literally does have a team of people that write as James Patterson. He's like a a company, like he's a mass produced. He's written but like co-authored, whatever in quotes, books with Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton that are like political thrillers. He's sort of just like a stamp that you put on a book now, more than a real thing. But he is just like a machine. So I think he probably would be considered the viper of authors. Right down to like, you know, farming it out, you know? But it's pretty pretty tight edited.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:32

Farming it out.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:34

Which again, look, hey, uh if I were gonna be an advocate for art, I'm gonna stick up for reading. As long as you're reading a real thing, it's doing you good. You it's better to read than to not read. So if you gotta read James Patterson, do it. But maybe just like take half half a step outside your comfort zone and read like Agatha Christie.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:52

You know, at least take just like a faint toward quality. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:56

Or goosebumps, read some RLC. Real loudstein, because that shit is real loud. Real loud. I mess with some goosebumps. God, I'm so excited for Halloween. When is that?

SPEAKER_07 1:38:08

It's time to start thinking of your costume. If you're anything like me, it comes around like, why didn't I write down that idea I had in April?

SPEAKER_08 1:38:15

Actually, I'm really hoping that somebody out there this year steps up and challenges old Spirit Halloween as another Halloween store. They have the fucking literal monopoly on Halloween stores. Other ones can open, guys. I know competition. I want choices. It's a state-funded fucking tax installer's Halloween store.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:39

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_08 1:38:40

Yeah. It's crazy how that's a democracy there. And how I go to it like an event multiple times. You think in this one institution of buying anything.

SPEAKER_07 1:38:48

This would be the one area in where capitalism produces competition that creates better items. You think you would get better choice if there was simply more competition in the market. And this is the one area Halloween costumes. I think that would be another.

SPEAKER_08 1:39:00

Yeah, we would get higher quality, cheaper costumes. You think the competition in this case really would drive innovation. Well, really, what I'm looking for is innovation and animatronics. So I want to get nastier, bigger, louder animatronics on our Halloween docket.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:17

All available to you at Spirit Halloween. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:39:19

And I don't want this shit to be like, oh, it's only in the the old abandoned Toys R Us for a month. Keep that shit open year-round, like the fireworks stores are in Michigan now. I do like that. That's a big thing. If if you're in a state that legalized fireworks, if there's just a fireworks store that's open all the time.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:42

I was really surprised.

SPEAKER_07 1:39:48

It was like you were like your version of Aladdin. He stole like an asset of fireworks. The Florida Aladdin. Not a not a terrible transition. Before we go, we always like to ask bands to take off the structures of imagination and open your minds. And I want to talk about if there was a piece of ogre merchandise. Which resource no resource was any any hindrance to you. You could work with the best people, there are no limits to what that piece of merchandise could be. What would be the dream ogre merchandise? T-shirts.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:25

You had that chambered throughout my great answer is always like T-shirt.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:32

Okay, like you made me you made me think of this, because like I like immediately my brain goes towards like dildos or like some like just bullshit like that. Yeah. First age best answer. Yeah, or like butt plugs, like ogre butt plugs. You know, because I'm like a terrible bad person. Like I'd I like I'm a terrible person. Yeah. Just something stupid like an umbrella. Like spell it out with shitty ass. What I was thinking was like really nice fucking denim pants, dude.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:06

I want to do like double rivets. 25-year-old aged eyelash.

SPEAKER_07 1:41:16

Incredible. Like and it's like and it's called the Nice Wonger.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:20

Oh my god, dude. That's good. Oh, that's awesome.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:23

The Mick Jennings. Like, it's just a fucking game. Oh my god. I don't know. What's like a genuinely, I feel like No, this was not intended as a genuine question.

SPEAKER_07 1:41:31

I your Scotch idea.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:33

Genuinely, like, probably like a truly like as as ridiculous of a base pedal as possible, of an effects pedal.

SPEAKER_08 1:41:42

That'd be cool.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:43

Something legendary that sticks around forever. Yeah. That would be thrilling.

SPEAKER_07 1:41:49

Like where you are like a consultant in its construction.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:52

Yeah, and it would probably just be like a metal zone combined with um some kind of like strobe light trigger. Fuck yeah. Combined with some kind of like um like a small explosion. Well like just something something that's like designed to like some like like sky's the limit, like we we do medical labs and medical screenings on like on like the nature of sound affecting the human body, and like we percolate that down into a distortion pedal that creates um a certain certain certain tonal energy, certain like feed like the feedback that is the least tenable possible, like the most painful feedback possible. Sounds so you're describing the brown note. Yeah, brown note. I want people sh like not just shitting themselves, I want people throwing up all over the place.

SPEAKER_08 1:42:41

That or like uh I want people to release that earwax that's deep in their ears that you don't know about and just want everything.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:48

Everything they have to come out of every place that it comes out of all at the same time. Like it's just unbelievable.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:53

Well, that or like a vaccine. Like an ogre like Tom RNA vaccine. Oh, that's amazing.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:00

Like we just have like ogre brand, like like a CNFN.

SPEAKER_07 1:43:04

Like it's just fucking that's the best answer. What would you be curing? What would what would ogre put its name on?

SPEAKER_04 1:43:09

I don't know. Probably the next thing. It's not the next thing.

SPEAKER_07 1:43:14

The mRNA anti-shingles vaccinated.

SPEAKER_06 1:43:17

The ogre anti-shingles vaccine.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:19

That or like scurvy. Oh yeah, it's making a comeback.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:23

Yeah, scurvy is making a comeback. It's like anti-ogre vacciners.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:28

Yeah. Yes, dude. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:30

Dude, any kind of attention is good attention. That's what we that's what we're all about is that.

SPEAKER_08 1:43:34

That was leaning towards a drug, like a new designer drug that's like people are like, you can't even do it once, or all your skin turns into crocodile scales. Yeah, yes. Oh, I like that. Yeah. You don't want to, you don't want to be the drug that everyone loves. You guys remember all the time? Yeah. Man, that shit. I'm I'm glad that people stopped doing that.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:52

Okay, what if we could shoes like a pair of like Nikes, like just some bullshit, just the worst shit you've ever seen, actually. I thought I heard it.

SPEAKER_07 1:44:02

I thought I heard you say umbrella earlier. Actually, I would love to do that. And I thought like a really nice, like a really durable, long-lasting quality uh umbrella with like a logo on it, some artwork. Because you guys have great, great artwork too. It's like the vibe is great, the aesthetic is great. So that like something red, I think, on a big umbrella with ogre all over it, I would be at favor.

SPEAKER_08 1:44:24

It would be cool. I'd carry that out of my car. The person told me when I moved to this town who gave me a lot of bad information, by the way, that if you see um a person walking down 82nd Street with an umbrella and it's not raining, that person is a hooker. You don't need to thought about it all the time, and I'm like, nobody carries an umbrella. Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:43

Yeah, it's like there's just no reason to hide it. They're just they do just be they they can just be there. They don't have to have an umbrella so that we know.

SPEAKER_07 1:44:50

Like it's like I Yeah, it's known. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:56

Um I actually would like the idea of like somebody who's clearly like like, you know, like in in that situation, like someone who works works that industry. Yeah. And then it is daytime and they still have an umbrella. And then I'm like, it would be so interesting to ask them, like, hey, are you are you doing that because like it's an advertising thing? And they're like, no, I just like to do this.

SPEAKER_08 1:45:22

Yeah, I just like my umbrella. It's a really nice thing.

SPEAKER_05 1:45:24

Oh, and like twirling like twirling an umbrella is like someone's like misinterpreted, like, oh yeah, it's like all the all the hook hook hookers on 82nd like have umbrellas during the daytime. And it's like like they do that so that you can it's a sign that they're a hooker, but that's not legally incriminating. But it's probably because they're like not wearing anything and it's bright out. And it's cold and it's raining. Yeah, they're getting well no, because when it's not raining, like if the if the sun's out, you know.

SPEAKER_08 1:45:51

Yeah, that's they work for that too.

SPEAKER_07 1:45:53

I thought you were gonna say there was some sort of like code of conduct among people who, you know, had and took took their trade seriously. Like there are just certain things you do as by way of, you know. He also told me that no one's gonna be able to do it. Like where it's like where you place your fork when you send it to the city. And that there is no open container container law.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:10

Sorry, what?

SPEAKER_04 1:46:11

There's no open container law.

SPEAKER_08 1:46:13

He told me that there's no no one in the city drives trucks, and there's no open container law, and you can just drink beer wherever you are if you're not driving. So I would drink either of those are true. I would just buy a beer at the store and walk all over downtown with it, and nobody ever gave me any problems. So you definitely up for failure. I just think that's open container laws here. This is your friend. Isn't that like you can smoke weed anywhere in the city? It doesn't matter because it was like totally fine, way before it was legal here.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:39

Did you like do something to him? Like, I think he was trying to get me put in jail.

SPEAKER_08 1:46:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:45

Sounding like or just hit by someone on 80 seconds left across the face.

SPEAKER_08 1:46:50

And you can turn left on any red, doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_07 1:46:55

Some uh from a one-way to a one-way.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:57

Yeah, which a lot of people don't know. Oh, they don't. I know they're not. And I love it. That's like that feels like my secret of like I know I'm I'm confident on this piece of traffic law that other people aren't, and I turn left on the other. There's uh there's a great time, it's great.

SPEAKER_07 1:47:12

Getting onto Sandy from the area where the get down is, like Morrison area, you come up that weird hill, and there's two left lanes, and there's always one person that doesn't get it, and you just go. You just smash right into them? No, you just go right around them. It's like you were saying.

SPEAKER_08 1:47:26

I thought it was like one of those crash situations where I just slowly nudge them into the intersection until you cause an accident and then you have sex with each other because you're both like uh car crash uh corny or whatever that is. I didn't know that. I usually I think those were Oscar, one best car sex scene.

SPEAKER_05 1:47:42

No, I want to talk about I want to talk about left on red more actually. Yeah, let's get to a one way on a little bit more. Yeah, I know you wanted to finish, but we'll uh uh like you can take it. It's a one-way to a one-way, you can take a left on a little bit. I was I was trying to try to let you guys go, but like the great anytime I'm behind somebody at one of those and they don't get it, and they're not going, and there's clearly it's it's clear that they're allowed to go. Do you give them a little tap? No. No, I wait, they don't get it, and I'd rather not bully someone into complying to in trap a piece of traffic law that they don't understand yet.

SPEAKER_07 1:48:16

I agree with the spirit of that. However, I wish there was a more um there was something between a honk and nothing. To sort of just educate this person for their own benefit.

SPEAKER_05 1:48:26

That's why you're not gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_07 1:48:27

Life will move along a little faster if you pretend you actually have somewhere you're trying to get to.

SPEAKER_05 1:48:31

Like a secondary honk that's like AO. I've talked about this. I've talked about this on many podcasts, no, just to my dad. Um like there should be two h two horns. Friendly horn and negative horn. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:43

Why are we having like LED script? Like where are we just limited to the horn? Why why have this in my DJ Venus?

SPEAKER_07 1:48:51

We want people's attention on the road. We can't be providing additional visual stimulus that pulls people's attention away from the road, at least officially. We have to be pretend that they're gonna be paying attention, and then audio signal would be the natural.

SPEAKER_08 1:49:03

If you're shopping at the stores I'm shopping at, so we do with a sign that goes in your window that is eyes that move around so that your car looks like it's from cars from from gasoline junction.

SPEAKER_07 1:49:13

Oh, so you could do like one of them could wink a little bit if it's like, hey, let's move along, wink.

SPEAKER_08 1:49:17

Yeah. Or you give them the normal horn, but you get a little wink from one of those big eyes. It also has programmed in it, fuck you, a lot of different ways. So you can make your car say that to people.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:25

You can self-cratum.

SPEAKER_08 1:49:26

It does say cratum. It does say cradum.

SPEAKER_07 1:49:29

It says uh I've only heard that word spoken here on this podcast, and I forget what it is every single time. What is it?

SPEAKER_04 1:49:37

It's the gas station thing that makes you feel crazy. Not that I would know.

SPEAKER_07 1:49:41

I just see those big signs on the like smoke shops or whatever. Like is it cratom?

SPEAKER_05 1:49:46

I thought it was Kratom.

SPEAKER_07 1:49:47

I'm not sure. Oh, I love Kratom. Kratom's good. No, I think it's the same thing.

SPEAKER_08 1:49:53

No, we were just talking about the same thing. I don't know which words say none of us are Kratomsters.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:00

Dystopian. That's like that snow piercer. Yeah, because it's not a good thing.

SPEAKER_08 1:50:04

Some people claim that it's like a great painkiller and it helps them get off of opioids.

SPEAKER_05 1:50:10

That seems to be the thing I hear it mentioned about the most of like it has a tie to like helping people with opiate issues. And I feel like anything that's helping people with opiate issues is a good thing. But it's also interesting that like a source for opiate issues is being sourced from like the worst stores ever. It's next to the rent. It's like, oh great, someone's doing something about opiates. And it's the AMPM.

SPEAKER_08 1:50:41

Yeah, and the AMPM is selling these big ass bags of like looks like ground up like leaves from the ground.

SPEAKER_05 1:50:47

Yeah, and it's like it's wild.

SPEAKER_08 1:50:48

And I don't know if you smoke it or you make tea out of it. I don't know. I think heroin's terrible.

SPEAKER_05 1:50:56

I'm a good guy.

SPEAKER_07 1:50:57

Yeah. I think that uh we shouldn't be outsourcing our serious addiction problems to to the smoke shop dealers.

SPEAKER_05 1:51:05

Yeah. They're like, oh, it helps you with opiates. If you if you're like I have an issue with opiates. And that's why I have any reason being in a smoke shop. Thank God I've discovered crater. Right. If you have an opiate issue, if if you're selling something with the purpose of and here's the thing is like like AI. Right. There's the predictive tendency of AI to project whether or not a Kratom user. I don't know where we're going with this.

SPEAKER_07 1:51:34

I think bringing it full circle like that is a perfect way for us to disembark. Uh Ogre, thank you so much for hanging out with us and playing some killer music. By the time people hear this episode, a handful of them will probably already have the vinyl in hand. Uh as you're releasing it this Thursday as we're recording. But what's the name of the record? When can people hear it officially?

SPEAKER_05 1:51:53

Thank you for asking. Yeah, so the name of the record is Brian. Um named after a good friend of ours, turned enemy, and then turned once again into a friend. Um he's actually just my former boss. Um it's called Brian. Um it's out on record on April 20th. Thursday. This Thursday. This Thursday. Only only. Um, with of course the greater release um eminently coming like what's the date when is it coming?

SPEAKER_01 1:52:28

May 29th.

SPEAKER_05 1:52:29

May twenty night.

SPEAKER_07 1:52:30

May 29th, my mother's birthday. She'll be getting a wonder wonderful day. She'll be getting a digital copy of the ogre album for her birthday. I'm so excited. I have to do it now. I'm on I'm literally on record.

SPEAKER_05 1:52:43

And it'll be available at all major streaming platforms and particularly at ogre by ogre.bancamp.com, our preferred site for music consumption.

SPEAKER_07 1:52:54

Well, I'm really excited for everyone to hear it. Thanks for playing some tunes, at least one tune from it, uh tonight. Um really uh really excited for what's coming next, and can't wait to hear the the next one when it comes out. What's the best way for people to keep up with you?

SPEAKER_01 1:53:10

Uh Ogre by Ogre.org is the website I've uh spent a lot of time hunched over the computer working on. We made it brown recently.

SPEAKER_05 1:53:19

Go look at it. We're it's brown now.

SPEAKER_07 1:53:20

It's brown. I love a band by the way. Of course, I'm a big fan of an independent band website. Yeah. But shit y'all.

SPEAKER_05 1:53:27

There's a really great independent band website called Instagram. Um we are also ogre by ogre uh on that independent freeform experimental website.

SPEAKER_07 1:53:38

It's a good follow.

SPEAKER_05 1:53:39

Yeah. And it's a great listen. It's an informative follow. You'll learn so much about like who you are and what you can do with your time.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:46

Yeah, I love going on there and just scrolling.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:49

Unlocking my real potential.

SPEAKER_05 1:53:51

On accident. I love logging in. And then when I'm done, I log out.

SPEAKER_08 1:53:55

No way.

SPEAKER_07 1:53:56

Oh wow.

unknown 1:53:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:53:57

Some people have a favorite. I haven't logged out in 25 years. Oh, yeah. No login and log out. That's a great idea. Endurance test. Well, thank you again. This is this was a pleasure. Really, really appreciate it. Of course. Thank you. We hope you liked it. We hope you tell a friend about the next one. And uh, if you like some of the music that Andy plays and the music he curates for the show, he also hosts an internet radio show every Friday on Shady Pines Radio. It's called Hesh Air with Mr. Tomorrow, 6 p.m. on Fridays. Tune in if you dare. Mm-hmm. That's what I was gonna say. I was gonna dare people to as well. Yeah, well, it's I think it's more legit come up. I dare ya. Dare you to do it. Do it. Uh why don't you give them a little taste of what they're gonna hear? Anyway, we won't have a lot of people.

SPEAKER_08 1:54:39

This is a fantastic uh No, I'm just kidding. This is called Slomosa. They're a rad man from uh Bergen, Norway.

SPEAKER_07 1:54:48

They were just in town.

SPEAKER_08 1:54:49

They were just in town when I missed it. It turned out it sold out in Portland, and I looked at their flyer on their Instagram, that crazy website we were just talking about. It turns out they sold out 18 of the last 20 shows. Yeah. Good for that. Ripping it up on this tour. Uh this is off of their album Tundra Rock, and uh the song is called Cabin Fever.

SPEAKER_07 1:55:09

All right, well, for Ace is Grace Nils of Ogre for Andy for Nate. This is Drew, we'll see you next week.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:37

I'm a plan to see the day.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:42

Oh then I go with nothing to follow Week It's only though today, but I'm gonna go to the back.

SPEAKER_02 1:58:09

So I'm gonna be able to do that. We're waiting for the store. Waiting for the store so high and for no reason why Captain Fever.