Shrek Diesel with Justin Radford/In Odin's Name

I'm sure most of you have written a few rock musicals in your day, but WE HAVEN'T! That's why we were so excited to speak with Portland multi-instrumentalist and composer Justin Radford. He takes us deep into the strange, joyous, and ambitious world of In Odin's Name, his Norse mythology-inspired rock musical that has been 15 years in the making. We learn the origins of the work that connected Justin with a far-off French lyricist; we chat about the valid and proper disdain of rock operas, the lost art of the Mexican pizza, the Short Kings of the monster truck world, and navigating the song-to-sex pipeline. Plus rock effing musical, bro!!!

Music this week:

• “Dance of Swords” by Justin Radford / In Odin’s Name (21:42)
• “Such Great Reward” by Justin Radford / In Odin’s Name (42:15)
• “Angel” by HYD (1:14:20)
• “By the Blood in My Veins” by Justin Radford / In Odin’s Name (1:30:24)

Transcript

SPEAKER_05 0:00

You're listening to Hot Garbage. Hello and welcome to another episode of the Hot Garbage Podcast, Portland, Oregon's premiere music, discovery, and interview show. My name is Drew. I'm one of your co-hosts. Joining me as always is the people's co-host, the beating heart of this show, my dear friend Andy.

SPEAKER_04 0:26

Oh, thanks, Drew. And you you people listening, you find yourself you find yourself in the aura of greatness. This is the longest running podcast in the Pacific Northwest. Is that right? I don't know. Do we get a plaque? I have no idea if that's true. I'm just gonna go ahead and say it. We're that.

SPEAKER_05 0:43

It's um it is getting to the point that the our age is working against us, though, Andy. I think now we have to nip off a few years. It's starting to seem a little bit sad at this point, I think. Oh man, we're in the we're in the the the middle age of our podcast life.

SPEAKER_04 1:01

I say in like I don't know, ten more we start over like we've never done it before. I'd be willing to come out of the game. I'd be willing to toss it all in the garbage camera. The hot garbage camera exact thing. The garbage boys. It's just called hot garbage, and we just pretend that none of that ever happened. We start having on the same guests again and pretending like we haven't met them.

SPEAKER_05 1:22

But I I re-like I get transcripts from all our old episodes and I just reproduce them faithfully verbatim and see what differences come out but come about organically from asking the exact same questions in the exact same way to the exact same people. I like that idea. Hot severance.

SPEAKER_04 1:38

Yeah, we just have to start a new season. When that happens, all bets are off.

SPEAKER_05 1:41

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is our rated R season.

SPEAKER_04 1:44

I mean, this is like season three of Euphoria. Listeners know we didn't start season two until after a decade. Season two started really easy. Um and now I believe we are making our way through year 13 or 14. Yep. The numbers are out on that. I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 2:01

And that that means we're also 13 or 14 years into our our silent partner Nate helping us to produce this lovely podcast. Andy, I learned today we fucking know who Banksy is. He's been unmasked. What? Yeah. Is he an alien?

SPEAKER_04 2:16

Is this all like a big thing?

SPEAKER_05 2:17

And apparently, I mean I'm hearing it was all third hand. It was mentioned on like a podcast I listened to, but I'm like, that's that's the whole point of him, right? Is to to be masked. We know who he is? I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 2:27

I'm I've been hoping someone named Robin, I think? I heard it happened and I made the point to not look into it because I didn't want to know.

SPEAKER_05 2:34

Yeah, for me, uh I value the art. I think there's putting some cool stuff. Obviously, it's yeah, it's quite bold.

SPEAKER_04 2:40

I've got a public book right on my shelf right over there.

SPEAKER_05 2:42

Uh nothing against him as an artist, but I think, I mean, for me, it turns out maybe like 79% of it was him being mysterious and unknown.

SPEAKER_04 2:50

That is great. I really uh I know there there was divided love for this, but I did like it when he sold that piece of artwork at a gallery, and then it turned out the the frame was a paper shredder and it turned on and just ruined the painting.

SPEAKER_05 3:02

Classic bang scene.

SPEAKER_04 3:03

That's fucking great.

SPEAKER_05 3:04

But it was so much better when we thought that could be, you know, anybody. That could be, you know, the the person behind that prank could have been anybody. Madonna.

SPEAKER_04 3:16

Has it been like uh proven that this is probably that guy, or is this like an I am Spark?

SPEAKER_05 3:20

I'm going on zero follow-up to the conversation I heard on a quasi-reputable podcast. So I g I could I could speculate on what I think happened all night long. Yeah, I'm really shooting from the hip. But you're right. If I don't take any steps to understand who Banksy is, then I he will be masked forever from my perspective. I don't really know who Pablo Picasso is. I'm pretty sure that nobody does. Fair enough. Uh it's a little bit like when you remember that famous picture of Nessie, the Loch Ness monster? Yeah. And the guy who took it recanted on his deathbed and confessed that it was all uh it was a hoax and that it was just like a toy boat or something like that. That was a real that was a real loss of innocence moment for me as a child who wanted dearly to believe and had that photograph as some sort of proof. And you wanted to believe, yeah. I did. Innocence was lost.

SPEAKER_04 4:09

Young Mulder.

SPEAKER_05 4:10

Yeah. And the year that I turned 37, I that that balloon was popped. And I finally had to like go. No, I was a little kid.

SPEAKER_04 4:18

I had a friend who would not give it up. He convinced me he was a werewolf and kept this charade going for a number of years. I was probably eight. That's a pretty good one. And he would be like, You guys gotta go. I'm I'm returning. And we would all run.

SPEAKER_05 4:37

Yeah. It would never occur to me, but what a what a great lie.

SPEAKER_04 4:40

He was just a little bit older than us, and uh man, I wish I was an uncle just for that very reason. There would be times where I'd be like, dude, this guy's full of shit, he's not a werewolf. And then he would pull me back in with his just amazing actors.

SPEAKER_05 4:53

Well, you know, Nate told us this long story about an acquaintance who believed he was going to be eaten, or believed that the people he was camping with intended to eat him, and we all had a good laugh about how ridiculous that seemed as a premise. But in my mind, there is a 1% chance that those people were gonna eat that guy, just as there is an unshakable 1% chance that that guy was a werewolf.

SPEAKER_04 5:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 5:14

Did you ever see him not change?

SPEAKER_04 5:16

I mean, like you can't prove a negative. He would never hang out with me on a full moon. He like made a point of that. And you're like, nope. My parents locked me up in the barn.

SPEAKER_05 5:25

It's a full moon. Well, Andy, our this is a nice segue because our episode has a tinge of the mythical to it this week because we had a composer on. I think maybe the first time ever we've had a composer of a rock musical. The name of the rock musical is called In Odin's Name, and it's based around Norse mythology. And the composer is a guy named Justin Radford. And he was our guest tonight. This has been a project that he has been working on in various forms for about 15 years with a collaborator based in France named Alex Garcia. Um so the two of them together have finally not finally, but like it's been produced for a couple of years, and um we got the whole got the whole story and how it came about and listened to some tunes. It's based again around uh a Norse myth. And uh Justin's super interesting guy, uh background uh as a multi-instrumentalist, started as a pianist, uh is a drummer now, playing uh kind of a session drummer here in Portland, plays with a lot of bands here in town. But really interesting guy, uh a ton of positive energy, like really inspiring story of sticking with this this kind of ambitious project over a long period and then really seeing it through. So um I think you're gonna like The Hang with Justin. He's a really cool guy. Uh the music is really interesting, and obviously, like how many of you know can composers in your life? Probably not very many. And so again, the musical he wrote is called In Odin's Name. You can actually listen to the music on Bandcamp. Um, you can follow him on it's in Odin's name on Instagram, uh, and there's some opportunities to purchase a merch there, and uh he's in the process of trying to get it produced so you can see it live. I'm sure you'll be able to see it live someday soon. So a fun episode, uh interesting music, different perspective from what we usually talk about. And Justin was a really cool hang. So I think you're gonna enjoy our time with him on this week's episode of Hot Garbage. What are your feelings on the term rock opera?

SPEAKER_01 7:23

Oh, that's a that's a great question. And um so it is a very nebulous term.

SPEAKER_05 7:30

I agree.

SPEAKER_01 7:31

You ask ten different people, you get ten different definitions.

SPEAKER_04 7:34

I like that they kept it rock opera and not rock opera. Like you think it would have been combined. Rock opera? Oh, I never even thought about that.

SPEAKER_01 7:41

Yeah. I like that rock opera two words. Um that reminds me of the uh the band uh Rocapella. It does. Yeah. Me too. Fuck yeah. All you Carmen San Diego fans from the 90s.

SPEAKER_04 7:54

My wife had their CD when we met as like an 18-year-old. She was still rocking the Rockapella. That's why I married her.

SPEAKER_01 8:03

Um, yeah, so um, well, yeah, I'm actually kind of glad you asked that question because I refer to this as a rock musical personally. Okay. I'm not mad that people call it a rock opera, but I personally don't call it one. And here's my personal definition, right? So to me, a rock opera is something where you have like a band. Be it Green Day with American Idiot or The Who with Tommy, um Pink Floyd with the Wall, whatever. Um, you have a band, they're doing a show. They're they're doing a rock concert, but they're doing uh a set of songs that tell an interconnected story. I see. I think that's a good distinction. Um and and so yeah, so basically you're going and watching a rock, a rock show, and uh it just happens to have a story, and then the people in the band, they do all the characters, lollida. A rock musical is kind of looked through the lens of almost like a Broadway performance.

SPEAKER_05 9:09

More like in the traditional musical realm of the world.

SPEAKER_01 9:11

Yeah, so you have staging, the band is like hidden like in front of the stage or behind the stage or off to the side, and the acting and the blocking and moving around is the show and the focus. Right. And so um obviously the the album itself um can be you know just listened to and as a rock opera, I guess you can look at it that way. It was written uh I wrote it using my own terms, my own definitions, I wrote it to be a musical.

SPEAKER_05 9:44

Well, I am glad you iron that out because I prefer rock musical. I'm not a huge musical person to begin with, but a rock opera to me is like we have I have this conversation with Andy all the time about things that I like. I don't want Green Day to give me a rock opera, I want Green Day to play like Green Day songs. Sure, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 10:01

And Drew told me you said that you only like it called a rock opera if it's in Italian.

unknown 10:05

Right.

SPEAKER_05 10:06

If it's if it's yeah, otherwise just sparkling it. If it's just a if it's a sequence of Italian arias, then fine. Sung by Green Day, I'm okay with that.

SPEAKER_04 10:14

Incredible opera.

SPEAKER_05 10:15

Um so what what is is your background like were you a big fan of musicals growing up? Like, how did you get interested in doing this in the first place?

SPEAKER_01 10:23

Yeah, okay. Um, so I'm not a typical like theater kid by any means. Okay. Um you have a little theatricality to you, though. Sure, yeah. Um just to paint a picture for the listener. Right. Um so I love storytelling. So I was I've always loved writing um like stories and comics. Um I've you know written a couple books, and um when I was younger, I did a bunch of comic comics. So I've always loved uh storytelling and writing, and I was also a musician too. And so I've always been fascinated by the fusion of the two music and storytelling. Um I did a bit of theater in high school, but that wasn't my main focus, and I did kind of start late on that. Um, I did want to be a filmmaker for a long time as well. Um so uh yeah, that was kind of where my love came from, was more of a conceptual uh place rather than being a fan of the the sh uh the stage uh Broadway shows. Um once I started like playing musical theater gigs and started playing a lot of local Broadway shows, I definitely have a greater appreciation for musical theater now. But uh yeah, I I guess to answer your question, it's just like I I the fusion of music and storytelling has always fascinated me.

SPEAKER_05 11:52

So when I was in my my second grade teacher, Mrs. Hartford, put like took a very like active interest in me as a reader, and she would like very specifically put like books in in our you know our hands and like say, I think you'll like this. Yeah. And she gave me Roll Doll books and she gave me The Trumpet of the Swan by E. B. White. Oh, yeah, yeah. And so those were like really formative stories for me. And that like I trace my my ongoing love of reading to my parents reading to us, but also to that like intervention by someone. Right. With your love of stories, was there an original story that kind of sparked it? Is there one that you remember, oh I love this, and like it became sort of the centerpiece of your passion?

SPEAKER_01 12:27

Yeah, uh the thing is, it's like I was writing stuff before I could read. Like, I I do have vague memories of making comics with like stories, not just like three-panel comics, but like page-long comics. I was like three years old. I didn't know how to write yet. So for my speech bubbles, I would just draw squiggly lines because I didn't know how to write.

SPEAKER_04 12:52

Oh, yeah, the insert dialogue here.

SPEAKER_01 12:54

Yeah. Yeah. Um, so like I almost was like interested in writing before I could even read. Um, but as far as like uh books, um going to more like the comic book, graphic novel route, Tintin.

SPEAKER_04 13:11

Okay. Tintin.

SPEAKER_01 13:12

Yeah. Damn. I freaking love Tintin. Uh that's cool. Uh like my dad would get the books from the library, he would read them to me, and then I'd read them on my own. Um, and then I'm slowly collecting all of them now. Um, I still love them. They're still great.

SPEAKER_05 13:27

Um Tintin is is Belgian, is that correct? Yeah. Okay. He's like the Belgian kid spy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:32

He's got a cool crew. That's a way way to look at it. Um, so yeah, I I love the Tintin books. I started reading the Lord Lord of the Rings when I was like nine.

SPEAKER_04 13:43

Damn. Um What do you think about the uh the new Gollum movie that's coming out? Are you excited about it?

SPEAKER_01 13:48

Uh I I'm disinterested in it. Right? I mean I don't I I'm not I don't actively hate things, especially if I've never seen it. Like, I'm not one of those people on the internet like, oh, this thing's gonna be horrible. Like, maybe it's gonna be good.

SPEAKER_04 14:03

I don't know anybody even in the Lord of the Rings fandom that's like fuck yeah.

SPEAKER_05 14:06

Okay, I'm not fucking. But one of my favorite parts of all of those books is the scene in the fellowship in the book where Gandalf comes back to talk to Frodo about all the things he's learned, and he's been gone for what, like seven years or something like that. And in that time, he has hunted down Gollum. And I believe the movie is going to take place in that time, and I love that conversation. One thing I love about Lord of the Rings is I love the explanation of things. I can I can give me some lore, like the first ten minutes of the movies where it's the voiceover just explaining 3,000 years of the ring's history. Give me like four hours of that. I love that shit. Absolutely. And so, like all the little lore that gets packed into that one chapter of Fellowship of the Ring. I don't know if we need to see a three-hour movie or multiple movies out of it, but I I am intrigued by that little chat.

SPEAKER_04 14:54

It could be good, yeah. Absolutely. I love that in any movie when it opens up and it's like the year is zero. And it's like usually it's like drawing on a scroll, or it's like it's like an artistic take on it while there's a voiceover telling you about the stuff. Or even like 2001, which starts in like with like the deep myth of history.

SPEAKER_01 15:12

I love both the book and the movie.

SPEAKER_04 15:14

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 15:14

But yeah, I love stuff like that.

SPEAKER_04 15:16

Man, I I gotta air Nate's wife out on this one though. Uh she has a hang her out to dry. She absolutely hates it if she's got a book and she opens it and the first page is a map. How do you guys feel about maps in books? Having discovered a whole new world before you track the page.

SPEAKER_05 15:31

I think you gotta earn a map. I've been reading a little bit more fantasy recently, and you know, they're not all winners. Some of it's just garbage, and every one of them has a map, and I don't think everyone needs a map. Sometimes it's just it's just like a square, and you're like, and then you're looking at the names, and they're just like it's the names are the best, the worst the worst, like random apostrophes like throughout, and you have like Z X T names. But it's always like the spiky mountains. It's like it's it's I would say it's some wild shit in off in many cases.

SPEAKER_04 16:01

It was some wild shit. We were reading some shit the other day. She was like, check it out. This one has character bios. Map and then other map and then character bios for like six pages. Character bios.

SPEAKER_05 16:14

There's this book called uh It was incredible. There's this book called Ninth House, which is like a contemporarily set sort of magic-y thing. Well like urban fantasy sort of sort of ish, yeah. Not quite as dark as like I it's not like uh China Mayville or whatever, but you know, contemporary. And it has like it takes place in um where Yale is. I forget the name of the city. It's uh New Haven, New Haven, Connecticut, and it has a map of New Haven. So it's like a real map, but like drawn in the style of uh a fantasy. I I did appreciate that, and it becomes relevant.

SPEAKER_04 16:44

Historical fiction map making. I like it.

SPEAKER_05 16:47

Yeah, I do love maps.

SPEAKER_04 16:48

Yeah, I'm like a cardophile. I fucking do too. Maps are pretty great.

SPEAKER_05 16:53

I still have a well, not a Thomas guide, just like the Rand McNally road atlas in my car in case I haven't got lost.

SPEAKER_04 17:00

I have several atlases. Those are fucking great too. Like those can be very helpful in all kinds of situations. Okay, so the problem with the Rand McNally is it just needs to step up its shit a little bit with like Taco Bell icons. Or like, you know, get a little brand new. You should be able to buy you know just like dots, and the dots are coded to fast food restaurants or like gas stations.

SPEAKER_05 17:26

Maybe they don't stay in business long enough. I guess that's a reason to buy a new map every year.

SPEAKER_04 17:30

Yeah, because you'd be like, wait, this isn't updated with modern fast food.

SPEAKER_05 17:33

My Taco Bells of America map is dangerously out of date. I'm about to cross Nevada. Oh god.

SPEAKER_04 17:40

When Rand McNally and Taco Bell teamed up, it was over for the rest of the map makers. Yeah, no one had a chance.

SPEAKER_05 17:45

Uh sorry to do this to you, Justin, but I uh have to just do a little sidebar with Taco Bell because that's sort of an ongoing theme of the last decade of the show. Oh, okay. And uh I hadn't been there in this year, and I found myself having like not eaten in a long time during a day, and I was going to a show, and I was like, I'm just gonna go to Taco Bell. You just were living monster. What a treat. Fucking garbage, Andy. It was it was toilet food, and I'm not like happy to say that. It gives me no pleasure to shit on Taco Bell, and I'm not doing it from a place of high-mindedness. What did you get? What's your order? I got a Mexican pizza.

SPEAKER_04 18:16

Bad idea. They've been trashed since they came back. Don't go near them. Well, that was one of my go-to. Head first into the ground on that one. The thing that I like can't be the bad choice. No, the problem is the people that knew how to make it all died. And now it's lost or young children who make it the new way, they've changed it just slightly, and it's not good. I didn't think it's like an old language. It's lost. No, no, no, no, no. That one is a empty bite. I stay out of the cantina. That one's good. No, thank you. That one actually is good. But the regular Mexican pizza is a pale component. I live, I live mainos mostly. They stopped deep frying everything, so they don't deep fry those tostados anymore. That was what made it so good back then.

SPEAKER_05 18:56

The Mexican pizza was fine. It was just every and then I get a I get a bean burrito, I go no onion, I get a cheesy gordita crunch. You went Sean Jordan style?

SPEAKER_04 19:04

I didn't know you were Sean Jordan style. He's notoriously bean burrito, no onion. That's like his tag on the internet devices.

SPEAKER_05 19:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 19:10

Their onions make me feel like I'm eating out of the trash. They're so good. They taste like nothing. It's all texture. I'm just saying, look, you know, big advocate. Okay. I understand. I'll ring the bell, but I will tell you, that order you just reeled off to me, definitely garbage food. I could have told you. Those are the things that I like. I know. At one point they were tasting. Taco Bell has moved on with a lot of its flavor combinations.

SPEAKER_05 19:35

And with me too. I'm willing to accept that people grow apart and that sometimes Taco Bell you've evolved with it?

SPEAKER_04 19:44

You're a hip? I have to. Right now, the thing that they have going really good is shredded. You can just walk away. I mean, I'm going to. I'm going to take a big thing.

SPEAKER_05 19:51

You and I could say goodbye to Taco Bell for a while.

SPEAKER_04 19:54

I literally have to take a six-month break on Taco Bell because I'm taking out a chunk of intestine and it's just a bad move.

SPEAKER_05 20:00

You're taking out the Taco Bell center of your large intestine.

SPEAKER_04 20:03

I'm already going to have way increased urgency on shitting my pants. I do not want to throw Taco Bell into the mix. Even though I am the trigger. I am one of those guardians of Taco Bell who will tell you that people who have diarrhea from eating Taco Bell just always have diarrhea. There's something wrong with your system, and it's not Taco Bell's problem.

SPEAKER_05 20:20

You just don't eat enough beans. I think Taco Bell is a contributor, an enabler of your diarrhea, if nothing else.

SPEAKER_04 20:25

Well, also, yeah, maybe. And I kind of I kind of always want diarrhea as the problem. It's kind of gross, but I think it's a good thing. You're all about that efficiency. Yeah, just gotta keep it moving.

SPEAKER_05 20:34

Um Justin, we would would love to steer this shit back to you. I think uh there's so many questions about the rock musical that we need to address, but I think it might be best if we give people a sample first so they kind of know get a frame reference musically, and then we can dive into it. What is the song that you would like to kick us off with to sort of introduce us noobs to your world?

SPEAKER_01 20:56

Yeah, so uh we wrote a song on here that was specifically designed to be a single. Um it doesn't have like a lot of story that happens, so you can like listen to it out of context and it and kind of makes sense. Um it's nice and short, it's three minutes long. Um singer, um, upbeat, um shot a music video for it. Yeah, it's called Dance of Swords, and um yeah, I think it's a it's a it was written to be kind of get people to introduce to it. It's the sixth song. It's a sixth song, so it's not like the first song, but uh I yeah, if if you're like wondering like what's this thing about, like listen to this song and I I think it'll give you an idea.

SPEAKER_05 21:42

Yeah, this is this is the vibes to check of the of the musical. Alright, um let's uh let's have a little dance with swords. Sweet. Now people have a people have a flavor for it. Yeah. Okay, so this thing is fifteen years in the making, right?

SPEAKER_01 24:54

Yeah. Um give or take. Yeah, I wrote it. Uh well, me and my uh Alex, my co-writer, who is French, by the way, going back to the French thing.

SPEAKER_05 25:03

Oh, there's a lot of overlap here.

SPEAKER_01 25:05

Yeah, I just realized that like, oh yeah, we collaborate online. He lives in France. Um but yeah, we wrote we wrote it in 2011, um, tried to like stage it for a couple years, and then I started recording it. 2013, between 2013 and 2015, got like 90% of it done. Life happened, took eight years off. Then it was like, you know, I should probably finish this. And I did.

SPEAKER_05 25:31

That that kind of gap is exactly the kind of gap that the many a project is just buried at the bottom of, you know, like eight years off is like that's usually the death sentence.

SPEAKER_04 25:40

What are some other good amazing things that took that long to get made? Uh dances with wolves. Uh let's see. Avatar. It's a lot of James Cameron work that he claims to have written 15 years ago.

SPEAKER_05 25:52

Yeah. Well, most of the time, a lot of creative people, well-intentioned creative people, myself among them, uh have every intention to finish a thing and then it just doesn't happen.

SPEAKER_01 26:02

Right.

SPEAKER_05 26:02

And it never comes back. But this is something that uh is easy. Well, I I would say like mentally, like eight years passes and you're like, what was that? I was working on some sort of musical, and like I could just see it drifting away. So did it stay in the back of your mind throughout that hiatus? Like, was it always there and always like a vibrant idea like burning in the back of your head?

SPEAKER_01 26:21

Yeah, it really it really always was. I mean, there there's uh a bunch of like little reasons why it stopped working on it. Um like at the time, I was hiring the studio in Oregon City to uh record the um mainly to record the strings, because I record a string quintet. Um I didn't I didn't sample the strings, I had live string players on there. Um but also I was recording the singers there, but they would only allow me to book ten-hour sessions at a time. Yeah. So I had to fill up a 10-hour session with like multiple singers. I couldn't just record one at a time, and eventually like the logistics of it got super annoying because I couldn't get like three singers to commit to a single day. It was very difficult.

SPEAKER_04 27:06

Um So hold on a second, real quick. I did look up the things that took 15 years. Okay. The best things ever that took 15 years. I mean ripped rip through this list real quick. Okay. I'm curious. The Human Genome Project. Okay. Transatlantic Pipeline System. Okay, okay. 15 years on that. Uh a 15-year-old scotch is considered like the best kind of scotch for some reason. That's like number two. Uh that took 15 years to build the Shard in London. The Sydney Opera House. Really? Yeah. I mean, that's pretty amazing. And cultural masterpieces like Avatar by James Cameron.

SPEAKER_05 27:43

Yeah. So you're on uh an illustrious list. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:46

Sorry, I I've been thinking about this. Uh you've heard of the movie Um It goes it uh Thief and the Cobbler. Have you ever heard of that movie?

SPEAKER_05 27:53

Uh no, I haven't.

SPEAKER_01 27:55

Yeah, so Thief and the Cobbler was um I can't remember the guy's name, but he was the guy who did all the animation for um Roger Rabbit. Oh yeah. Sure. Um but that was like a project that was in the making for like 20, 30 years. Like he started working on it in the 60s, and he did like half of it over the next couple decades, and then when he did Roger Rabbit, the he got fuck you money from the studio. Um but he was still going over budget, so he never even got to finish it. Um and then like the studio took over, finished it themselves, and it finally came out and it like bombed. Well, does it have you seen it? Oh yeah. Does it look like a mess? Does it look like uh No, the animation is gorgeous. Yeah. The story is a mess. It doesn't have a great plot, but the animation's like some of the best like 2D animation I've ever seen in a movie. That's incredible. I'm definitely gonna watch that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 28:48

You know, I just thought of the the Terry Gilliam um Don Quixote movie, The Manal Mancha, which was like long gestating for like I don't know, 30 years or something like that. Oh, yeah. Or had like a famously troubled development, and I think he even filmed some. I think they might even put a documentary out about the making of that. But that was another thing that was long in the works. But that that is an example of how like riding the the razor's edge can go. You can fall into the the abyss just as easily as you can come up with something lasting and enduring like Avatar.

SPEAKER_04 29:18

I heard that Paul Blart, that was Kevin James's prize baby for 35 years. He actually wanted to make Paul Blart 2 first. Yeah. But they were like, no.

SPEAKER_05 29:28

And then do a prequel.

SPEAKER_04 29:29

You gotta write the prequel, but prequels weren't cool, so it came out as number one. Number one, yeah. Yeah, so really start. Paul Blart should have started with two.

SPEAKER_05 29:38

Yeah. And two famously begins with his funeral. Yeah. So it itself is kind of a prequel. Yeah, it's a real like looper paradox kind of movie. Um so you're running into logistical challenges. There are a number of little, you know, uh death by a thousand cuts can be it can turn into eight years very quickly, especially when you are I mean, you're financing all this, you're you're organizing it, even your partners, you know, overseas, so you're the boots on the ground doing this. Um what was I I guess I want to go back a little bit further because you mentioned to us off off mic that you did not actually write the the Norse mythology version of this story. So how did that how did how did you meet Alex? Like, how did you guys pair up and figure out what this thing was gonna be about in the first place?

SPEAKER_01 30:21

Yeah, so I was um I had like just graduated college. This was like right after like the 08 financial meltdown, so I couldn't find a job. Yeah. So you know, I'm like working 20 hours a week at Target.

SPEAKER_04 30:34

Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:35

You know, like minimum wage.

SPEAKER_05 30:37

Those were good days.

SPEAKER_01 30:38

Living at with my parents.

SPEAKER_05 30:39

That was the Massimo shit at Target, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 30:42

So it's like I I gotta do something with my life. It's like I know what I'll do. I wanna write a musical. I've I've ri I have written musicals before. None of them were good. Um and none of them like I mean, rent was fine. Oh man, I wish I wrote rent. Um, anyways, um so I I I I consider myself a decent composer. Like I can write music pretty well.

SPEAKER_05 31:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:11

I don't consider myself a good lyricist.

SPEAKER_05 31:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 31:14

So it's like, okay, I came up with a bunch of ideas of stories I wanted to tell.

SPEAKER_05 31:18

You're like Elton John, essentially.

SPEAKER_01 31:19

Yeah, uh Elton John and uh Bernie Taubin.

SPEAKER_05 31:22

Yeah. I think his name is. Yeah, um Or Tim Rice, if you uh Oh, yeah, who did them for Lion King and Lion King, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 31:29

Is that the guy that jams with um Dave Matthews? Doesn't everybody jam with Dave Matthew? You're thinking of Jerry Rice. Who's that dude? Who's that? Hall of Fame receiver Jerry Rice. Oh yeah. I think his name's Tim Meadows. Fuck. I'm thinking of the TV show.

SPEAKER_01 31:42

Tim Meadows, isn't that an SNL guy?

SPEAKER_04 31:44

Yeah. Never mind, never mind.

SPEAKER_01 31:46

You're just free associating over there. Oh, yeah, so um, like I had an idea to write something about um like the early 20th century, like, feminist movement. Uh first wave feminism, I think was the the term. Um but being someone of Norwegian and Finnish descent, I was like, you know what, I want to write something about the mythology of my ancestors. I think that'd be cool. I only knew like the basic pop culture stuff. But I was like, yeah, something like this would be I think could make a good story. So I went onto some writing writer's website and saying, hey, this is I I'm looking for lyricists. Um these are the I story ideas I have. Does anybody want to do this? And then Alex was like, yeah, I I love Norse mythology. Um I know law myth uh Norse mythology, I'll go and do the research. Um, I'll I'll I'll write out the plot and we'll go and then we'll go from there. And that's exactly what he did. Um like he he went AWOL for like two months and then came back with the whole outline and everything, and I'm like, oh, this looks good. Uh and so he started writing lyrics, he'd send me a song, and then I'd write the music. And we did that over the course of a few months. We finished. I had some story changes I wanted to do. Um, so we uh kind of compromised on some of that. Put those revisions in. It took about like four or five months, and then the thing was written.

SPEAKER_05 33:18

Can I ask you something that has been occurring to me while you're telling the story? Like again, I'm amazed that you meet somebody in this way and they say, I'm gonna just write your uh the lyrics to your musical, and then they do it. Like I I feel like that is sort of like threading a very rare needle. But it there are like this is something I struggle with, even with this show, which is something I like. Sometimes outside of this environment, it's hard for me, like, uh, I need to do work for it, and like I stri struggle to to do that, and I think I care about it, but even then I I find it hard to sometimes like rally after a long day and do the things that we need to do. But with something like this, where again the thread could get lost a thousand times, like what is it what did it feel like creatively to be going through this? Like, why where where did that like fire come from to stick with it? Were there times when it was not easy? Like, how did you work your way through rough times and and keep this burning throughout uh a lot of long shots?

SPEAKER_01 34:17

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I mean, like specifically talking about like he did all that for me and that's rare, that's absolutely true. So when he like came back to me and like wrote out the had the whole outline, I'm like, holy shit, you didn't ghost me. Right. I mean, ghosting wasn't a phrase back then, but yeah, like You invented it at that moment, yeah. Yeah, it's like wow, that impresses me.

SPEAKER_05 34:39

I thought you would turn into a ghost, you said.

SPEAKER_01 34:41

Um but yeah, for me, probably the most frustrating part. Um earlier I was talking about the logistics of singers, and but I think more frustrating than that was finding the right singers. Yeah. Because I wrote these roles with like speci a specific sound in mind. Um and you know, leaning onto like musical theater tropes, I had a wide variety of different types of voices. Yeah, I had some um, you know, like rock tenors, had some like sweet mid-range stuff, and I had some low D.

SPEAKER_05 35:16

Like Caiaphas from Jesus Christ Superstar.

SPEAKER_01 35:18

Uh yes, I'm actually really glad you brought that up because musically speaking, Jesus Christ Superstar was a huge inspiration for this.

SPEAKER_05 35:25

Holy shit, I was gonna ask you that. It's my favorite one. Oh my god. The the first disc, the first record of that one, I fucking love that.

SPEAKER_04 35:32

I went to visit my friend Marshall when he was living in uh Carson City outside of Reno. And he was like, You guys want to watch Jesus Christ Superstar? And we were all like, dude, what? And he's like, No, dude. And then he was he sat us all down and we all watched it, and I was like, I'm appreciating this a lot more now than I'm older and uh you know, not watching it. Yeah in a forced setting. I guess I was forced again, but it was really it was great. The singing and the the song arrangements in that musical specifically are pretty awesome.

SPEAKER_05 36:03

Our church would like they the basically kidnap us. They were like, we can go to this cool roller coaster park, but we have to watch a Jesus movie on the way. It was like two hours away. So we didn't watch Jesus, it was like, oh man, all right, that's pretty sick. It's the guy from Deep Purple playing Jesus. Ian Gillen. No shit. I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_04 36:19

That's amazing. Oh man. I I went on a lot of um like Christian trips. Mostly so I could try and make out with girls, but also so I could go. That's a good reason to go. I go skiing in Canada or whatever. I went to all that shit. And I think I You were skiing and fingering for Christ, Ian. I was the I was the bad boy of that youth group. I also would question, I really like to question like the youth pastors about their theology and be like, but I love my dog and he's the best dog. Why can't I see him in heaven? Everyone, dogs don't get into heaven, and then the the guy would have to like sell Catholicism to a bunch of people that were pissed, they didn't know that little loophole. They fucking hate dogs in Catholicism. All animals have like a different kind of soul that just kind of evaporates and doesn't go anywhere. It's a wild thing. My cat would prefer it that way.

SPEAKER_05 37:10

He doesn't use the most. So anyway, you are um I mean I'm really, really glad to hear that Jesus Christ Superstar was a touchstone influence. But obviously that you know, there's a r those array of voices in your mind. Yeah. And then so finding the the right people to to get on board.

SPEAKER_01 37:28

Yeah, and so I've I've learned a few things for the next project I do is A, I'm gonna have mostly s female singers this time, because they're a lot more common. Um and then B, I'm not gonna write any more bass, slow bass parts, because I had to like well like the the very last two singers I record were the two bass parts, basically. Yeah. It took me I couldn't find any ten years ago, and the only I only found out about them now is because I um record someone who's like really big in the theater world, and she was like, Oh, um, I can get you in touch with someone who can get you in touch with somebody.

SPEAKER_05 38:11

Well, it is a sort of a that is sort of a classical, I know what I mean, I mean like classical era of American musicals voice kind of thing. Yeah. It isn't common even uh, you know, I'm I don't know much about musical theater, but it seems like more today there are either like jukebox musicals or some contemporaneous start on that. Contemporary some sort of contemporary subject matter is more.

SPEAKER_04 38:31

What do you mean about jukebox musicals, like the ones that have like the songs of Billy Joel? Oh yeah, they're pre-existing songs and the Uptown Boy or something. The one they did about Frankie Valley. Exactly. Yeah. Which is an excuse for them to sing their songs in a Broadway setting. Yeah. Exactly. That's basically what it is. That's fully my shit. I didn't know that really existed.

SPEAKER_05 38:49

It suffers, well, it suffers from a number of problems, but it's the same fucking problem as the rock opera, which is I don't want to hear. I mean, we had we had a little disagreement about Billy Joel recently, but I don't want to hear like the the Broadway version of the show. Billy Joel and Broadway. I want Billy Joel, you know, half cocked at a piano. That's that's the only way I want I want to hear him.

SPEAKER_04 39:08

That's fair. Yeah, because it's gonna be like the kids' bop version.

SPEAKER_05 39:12

Right. Or I don't want like uh Cynthia Revo's version of tell her about it or whatever. I mean that actually would be pretty much.

SPEAKER_01 39:20

Okay, so I did a jukebox musical a year or two ago, and it's my least favorite musical I've ever done.

SPEAKER_05 39:25

What was the who was the artist that you were focusing on?

SPEAKER_01 39:27

It was it was just everybody. It was um it was based off of Emma, uh Jane, the Jane Austen novel. Um, but it was like set in a high school, and it was just all like clear artists. And it's like, you know, um oh uh Heartbreaker, Pep Avatar, right? Oh sure. You know, it's a nice rocking song. I like it personally, but it's like I don't want to hear it with like jazz horns.

SPEAKER_05 39:52

No.

SPEAKER_01 39:52

And that's what we played it with. Yeah. It's like it doesn't no.

SPEAKER_05 39:57

Well, you're you're making my skin crawl in the description, but I still kind of want to hear what you're what you what those what this was. I still kind of want to see it. So um uh well uh let's listen to another tune. Um I'm gonna interrupt you, Andy, and we're gonna we're gonna stick with the musical since we've been talking about it. Uh Justin, what's another song that you brought to share?

SPEAKER_01 40:18

Uh yeah, we could do um I'll save song nine for last. So I think it's song eleven, which uh is called Such Great Reward, it opens the second half.

SPEAKER_05 40:31

Oh. So it's gotta be. Do you are you writing to that stage dynamic where after the intermission, sort of like you gotta get people back? Exactly. And there's sort of like a form, not a formula, but there is a certain dynamic that you have to elicit for the audience.

SPEAKER_01 40:45

Yeah, well, okay. Um kind of glad you uh uh brought that up because when I had written this originally, I had not performed in a musical theater before. I had done musical theater as a high school student. Uh I ran like sound. I ran the sound for my high school, but I didn't I wasn't a performer. I didn't play the music. Um since in the past eight years or so, when I have been playing in musical theater, I kind of know more about how things are done. So there are changes I'd like to make to this um w once it gets on stage. You know, minor changes here and there. Um not necessarily specifically this, because I think this song's a good opener for act two, but there are other things that's like, yeah, I know a little bit better now. I'm going to tweak a few things here and there.

SPEAKER_05 41:35

Are they things specifically related to this sort of like audience experience or like the dynamic, the emotional dynamic of the show? Or are they more little arrangement things?

SPEAKER_01 41:43

Yeah, more like arrangement things and stuff that's like uh m will make it easier for like the performers to do. Oh, yeah, okay. Um, you know, and or like um staging things, like, oh, they need more time to run from here to here. There isn't enough time, so I'm gonna have to like loop that. Things like that. Interesting. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 42:01

You never think about that when you're you know at the piano kind of banging it out. Um so what is the name of this song that we're using?

SPEAKER_01 42:07

Yeah, uh song 11 is called I uh uh I I I know them by their numbers more than their names. Um, such great reward. That's the name of it.

SPEAKER_05 42:15

Okay. This is the big the big part two kicker. Let's hear it. Andy, you wearing swim trunks, speaking of uh throwing up on yourself?

SPEAKER_04 45:56

Oh, it's summertime. It is summertime. Uh I've been at the river today. Oh, really? Okay. And actually, this is my second pair of swimsuit trunks I put on. I've got a new line of swimming. It turns out you can pee in the river too much. Yeah. Dude, it was wild. I was down there. It's Tuesday, and it was like one o'clock. And some people came down and set up like climbing ropes and aerial silks all the way from the bottom of the green bridge at High Rocks down to the rocks. And we're doing cool ass shit. Really? Spins and like flips and oh man, it was impressive. It was very impressive and very dangerous looking to me because they're right above the fucking rocks.

unknown 46:37

Oh god.

SPEAKER_05 46:37

See, like I think this is another area, Justin, where you'll have an advantage. What I was thinking of was like when the world collapses and like there will be like traveling troops of performers and things like that. All of the contemporary sorts of art uh will don't don't travel. But you as a songwriter with the with the songbook and uh that capacity, you're gonna you can join a troop of aerialists and bridge repellers out in the new in the new world until you're killed in Eaton by roving packs of half people. You guys are like real life bards. Yeah. Yeah. Uh okay, so what is Okay, you get the outline from Alex. I'm gonna go back to the story. Sure. Because I'm sure there's tons of work that has to happen there. But what is the next thing that happens after you go let's say you go back and forth, like you sharpen the outline, you know exact kind of what the beats are gonna be. Where does the songwriting process begin once you have a full narrative in your hands?

SPEAKER_01 47:40

Yeah, so it basically started with him. Uh he would uh he he divide up the songs and then he would just write me lyrics and he'd email them to me, and then I would just put it to music. It was it was it was basically that simple.

SPEAKER_05 47:55

When people think of well, maybe I'm I'm projecting, I will say when I think of sort of the Norse mythology, there is like a a kind of like metal that exists that seems to have that sort of medieval or Norse or Viking kind of intonation. And so in my mind, I associate those sounds with this sort of storytelling. But listening to your musical is I like are there are there musical connections to that musical tradition? Because it sounds like something totally different and totally unique, right?

SPEAKER_01 48:29

Yeah, and um yeah, I've had other people say that before because when they think because I mean Viking metal is a genre, yeah, absolutely a great one. Yeah, people you know, um metal has a very strong tradition in um all the Scandinavian countries, so there's a lot of that association. Um so people they when I tell them about this, they they it's like, oh, is it metal? I'm like, well, not really.

SPEAKER_05 48:52

It's not really, I would say not even at all.

SPEAKER_01 48:54

Yeah, right. Um but the in so here's the thing, uh, the like the honest truth. We do not know what their music sounds like.

SPEAKER_04 49:05

That's true. That's true. We don't know anything except for what we think we know. Yeah, because none of their fucking shit was written down.

SPEAKER_05 49:12

Well, we know I mean, we have found some examples of instruments or like a tradition of an instrument that gives us some clues, but yeah, so like anything that people come up with is just that.

SPEAKER_01 49:23

It's a speculation. So I wasn't interested in creating something like that was authentic. Um I wanted to write music that I was into at the time. Yeah. Uh which is very much I was really big into deep purple at the time.

SPEAKER_05 49:39

Um yeah, I can hear it.

SPEAKER_01 49:41

Yeah, uh, and you know, Jesus Christ Superstar as well. So like that was definitely like what I was into. So I wanted to write that style of music, uh, not caring about authenticity whatsoever. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 49:54

Who's your favorite character in that?

SPEAKER_01 49:56

In in my musical? No, in Jesus Christ. Oh, Judas.

SPEAKER_04 50:00

Yeah, Judas. Judas fucking rips in it, right? That's what I was gonna say.

SPEAKER_01 50:04

Yeah, I just I fucking love Judas. He's really good.

SPEAKER_04 50:07

Mary Magdalene is also awesome. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:09

I did um I've only I've only played the show once. I did it last summer. Um and it was it was like a high school production, but the Jesus and Judas were played by girls.

SPEAKER_05 50:19

Oh, that's cool. Well, there's a lot of the they there's a lot of high school.

SPEAKER_01 50:22

Yeah, they go high, so it it they did a good job, but like, yeah, it was interesting.

SPEAKER_05 50:27

That's pretty cool. Um yeah, I mean, some great bass in that in that show, too. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:33

I love the bass in that show.

SPEAKER_05 50:35

Do you guys know the Ghostbusters as girls now?

SPEAKER_01 50:38

Well, ever since the You're like 10 years out of date.

SPEAKER_05 50:41

That's pretty cool. Did you find an old Reddit page or something like that? Oh my god, the internet is so mad, you guys.

SPEAKER_04 50:48

They're really mad about the new God of War game, too, because it's gonna be Kratos' wife. But man, chill the fuck out. She's like a cool ass giantess.

SPEAKER_05 50:57

That's gonna be sweet. I think that well, I don't know. I mean, it was real with Ghostbusters. I don't but that seems insane to me.

SPEAKER_01 51:03

We gender bench a character in this, too. Who was it? Yeah, uh Haimdoll is supposed to be a dude. Yeah. And we made Haimdoll a woman in this version.

SPEAKER_05 51:14

Fantastic. Transgressive.

unknown 51:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:17

We did it before woke was a thing.

SPEAKER_04 51:19

That's right. It's been Yeah. You're pre-woke. We're pre-woke. I uh heard a while back too that um you know the monster truck gravedigger. Sure. Uh a woman has been the driver of that for like 20 years. Holy shit. Yeah. And I don't know why that's surprising, but I'm fucking stoked. I was like, are there more female monster truck drivers? And I I don't know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 51:42

Maybe they are. Maybe that maybe I have just been I would have missed the boat on on the whole world of monster truck driving.

SPEAKER_04 51:49

Well, fuck, dude. Monster Jam tours. So it's like people are making a living out there driving these monster trucks and doing shows every night.

SPEAKER_01 51:56

I would say it'd be hard to look into the cab though while the show's going on. That's probably more women than you think. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 52:02

I like yeah, plus also maybe it's a small, like a small seating area. Like you know, like, you know, jockeys have to be a little smaller because they're riding on the back of a horse and stuff like that. Maybe there's a maybe it is more uh inclined toward women. Maybe it's more ad advantageous. But also I like to personify the the trucks themselves. I don't want to think of any human, I want them to be real drivers themselves. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, mechanized monsters.

SPEAKER_04 52:26

Maybe monster trucks are like Lamborghinis where they're made for people that are under 5'4 to drive us. And you know, that's just how they drive comfortably. And I mean you can drive a monster truck as a big stupid man, but it's not gonna do like flippies and like 390s.

SPEAKER_05 52:41

Think how easily, Andy, you your legs would just snap inside the cabin above. Can you imagine?

SPEAKER_04 52:46

If I was out there and I just rolled Bigfoot four times, my legs would break off my body. Yeah, exactly. I'd be like one of those old like He-Man toys.

SPEAKER_05 52:54

My torso would just separate ripped out of the rubber band would snap and like my legs would fall off.

SPEAKER_04 52:59

Definitely. Man, those buckers were built poorly. They don't talk about that very much in the new He-Man movie about how like if you pull on He-Man's crotch hard enough, his legs will just snap right off.

SPEAKER_05 53:11

Justin, what was the first thing? What was like the first song on the project that you that you finished? Do you remember which one?

SPEAKER_01 53:17

Oh yeah, I uh I almost did them in order.

SPEAKER_04 53:21

Um there's I was gonna say that as a snarky joke, but track one.

SPEAKER_01 53:25

Yeah. So actually, so full overture first. We started no, I started well, because song one is an overture, I saved that to the end. So I started with song two.

SPEAKER_04 53:34

Yeah. Oh yeah, so eat shit, Andy. See, that's why I didn't say it. And that's why it's not gonna be on the podcast. And there's a few.

SPEAKER_01 53:42

Yeah, there's a few songs that came later in like revisions um that weren't part of the original. So those were actually technically the last ones. But yeah, the original run starts song two in order linearly to the end, and then went back and did song one.

SPEAKER_04 53:57

Okay, so hold on a second. Go ahead. We usually on this podcast are very much a positive show where we only really talk about stuff we like and we don't talk trash about very often. But I spilled my beer on my crotch because of being a sassy bitch. That was a good catch. Uh thanks. What is your least favorite musical? Is one that is there one out there that just boils your blood where you're just like, this everyone likes this, and I think it's but.

SPEAKER_01 54:25

Oh, okay. Because I was gonna say that one I was talking about earlier, the jukebox musical, but that one was never on Broadway.

SPEAKER_05 54:32

Which one was it? Uh Emma. Oh, okay. Yeah, it was yours, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 54:36

Yeah, it was written for like high schools to do. It was never like a Broadway show.

SPEAKER_05 54:41

Oh, but not of yours, like out in the world. Like, what's a musical that was like, you know, maybe a I'm trying to think.

SPEAKER_04 54:46

Yeah. Do you have one, Drew?

SPEAKER_01 54:48

I mean, cats cats fucking sucks. Oh, come on, cats is clever. I've never seen cats.

SPEAKER_04 54:53

I've never seen it live. I just familiar with some of the music. Stupid, funny shit in it, dude.

unknown 54:57

Mr.

SPEAKER_04 54:58

Brahman.

SPEAKER_01 54:58

I do have memories of my grandma playing memory on piano. So I like that. Okay, I mean that's a positive association.

SPEAKER_04 55:06

Um but yeah, I don't I don't really. For me, it's fucking Hamilton. Oh, everyone loved Hamilton. They're like, check it out, it's rap music, and and I was just like, I don't give a fuck about American history, you dick. And I just I just couldn't I couldn't get into the premise. I'd say it was a scooch too much. I couldn't get into any of the songs. I did say though, there were these um kids that I would play music for every day at school um who would request a couple of Hamilton songs. And eventually I had to admit that it it was like really well put together and good. I like Hamilton. But I do think Hamilton is overrated. But I want to see more hip-hop musicals though. Well, here's I'm not against that. I think that would be awesome, but like do more.

SPEAKER_05 55:51

And and you know, Justin, as you're promoting this show and trying to get people engaged with it, and maybe you run in a little bit of this. I feel like there is almost an inherent corniness to the musical theater like genre. Like sort of not even as a I'm not even judging it. I'm saying it's sort of like built into the fiber of what like that is, at least from my perspective, because it I never got the bug in that same way. So for me, I've always had to be like, okay, I'm digging this, and I have to sort of let give myself the permission to stop judging it a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 56:21

No, you're 100% correct. There is a suspension of disbelief because people don't break out into song randomly in real life. I mean, yeah, I guess that's probably what it is. That's like the main thing. Or and then, oh, there's a saying where it's like if the emotion gets too strong for dialogue, you go into song, and if the emotion gets too strong for song, you go into dance.

SPEAKER_04 56:42

I thought you were gonna say sex. And then the next one is sex.

SPEAKER_01 56:46

Yes, and then after that, sex.

SPEAKER_05 56:48

Um No musical has ever gotten emotional enough to get too much. Yeah, they're not that emotional.

SPEAKER_04 56:52

One got to dance once and it was crazy.

SPEAKER_05 56:54

Hair got to naked dancing, but it didn't quite get too.

SPEAKER_04 56:58

I've also done hair too.

SPEAKER_05 56:59

Um nice.

SPEAKER_01 57:00

Yeah, that's my favorite, that's the favorite show I've I've played in was hair. Because of all the balls. Yes, I was just fascinated by it. Um yeah, um, but yeah, no, no, musicals are corny, absolutely, but that's why I like them. Yeah, yeah. You like it. That's what I mean.

SPEAKER_05 57:20

I mean, I feel like again, I wish there was a there is probably is a better word. I'm not being very charitable. Yeah, but there is it's sort of in the nature of it, but that can be appealing. It can be I don't know. You could you I feel like maybe that's just a way to connect in a different kind of way. You give yourself permission to music is often so much the soundtrack to something else that's happening, and that can make you love it or it can make you hate it, but it's very contextual, whereas this is almost literal, and so it's like a way to im it's like using music as imagination in a different way than you than I totally typically in jazz music.

SPEAKER_04 57:53

You guys have you know that that thing that happens sometimes when you're watching like a a sitcom that's been going on forever and they'll drop the musical episode? Oh, yeah. Sure. Do you have a favorite one of those? Buffy the vampire. The Buffy one is the one everyone says that's classic. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:07

I haven't seen too many. I know um Star Trek's Strange New Worlds did the musical episode. Oh, they did, of course. Yeah, that's great. Um, and I I did enjoy that one. Um, you can definitely tell who is and who is not a trained singer. Yeah. It's like, oh, there's a lot of auto-tune on this voice. Like, I don't think they're a singer.

SPEAKER_05 58:27

Yeah. Who was good in the Star Trek one? Like, who actually had the pipes?

SPEAKER_01 58:31

Um, I can't remember the characters' names. It's been a while since I've seen that show. Seven of nine.

SPEAKER_04 58:37

Uh I don't know actually which era of Star Trek it was, but no, no, this is Lower Dex. This is all like red shirts. These are all like animated one?

SPEAKER_01 58:45

It's not Lower Dex of Strange New Worlds. Oh, Strange New Worlds. Okay. Oh, yeah. I mean, all the Simpsons.

SPEAKER_05 58:50

The Simpsons had several like musical themed episodes that were always typically pretty good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 58:56

The Simpsons killed it on musical episodes.

SPEAKER_01 58:59

And I mean, like, half of Family Guy episodes feel like they're musical.

SPEAKER_04 59:03

Yeah, definitely. That guy loves crooning. He loves to croon.

unknown 59:08

South Park. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 59:10

South Park. Oh.

SPEAKER_05 59:11

Yeah. Oh, sure. Just the South Park musical. Yeah. It is a musical.

SPEAKER_01 59:16

Yeah, it's a great movie. Great musical. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 59:18

Way ahead of its time, and I feel like it kind of predicted the future in a shitty way. Yeah. And I kind of blame South Park for uh letting us all know. Yeah. It's a great movie though. Yeah. Do you think that so deep state conspiracy? Okay. Is South Park in on the joke? Are they being paid by Trump in on the joke to ruffle Trump's feathers?

SPEAKER_05 59:41

Uh, first of all, I don't think Trump cares about that. Yeah. I actually don't think it annoys him.

SPEAKER_01 59:47

And he's not that smart.

SPEAKER_05 59:48

Right. I don't think he Yeah, I don't think he has the attention span to sustain that kind of irritation with a quasi-popular cartoon.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:00

I think he's secretly the third writer of South Park.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:03

It's and it really turns out every summer they call him in, they call in Bill Hader, they call in all the people that they hang out with for like those three weeks and write all the episodes, but Trump is definitely there. Trump's in the room.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:14

Yep. And people are always like, man, he's totally different than he is on camera. Yeah. It's like way funnier than he's gonna be in the world. Bill Hater tried to tell us. He's been wanting to do an episode or a season one of his little dick for, dude, wouldn't it be funny? Yeah. Wouldn't it be funny if I was a total fascist and you talked about my tiny dick? And they were like, dude, come on, you're funny, but like that's too far. He was like, no, I'm the president. He was like, no, no, no. And he like pushed him to do it, and then he had to pretend to be mad. Yeah. But really, he's just like, fuck yeah, dudes.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:46

It's a watertight theory. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:48

That's the deep stay for you. Yeah. You've drained the swamp, Andy. Man. It's it sucks when you find out the real truth sometimes.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:56

It was nice knowing you.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:57

Yeah. Yeah. I hope they don't cut off your dick.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:01

Just to show to show you. Out of jealousy. They're gonna shoot it with one of those rays that makes it like really small. Like comically small.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:10

Yeah. And then leave you pants in the middle of the mall in Washington, D.C.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:14

Mm-hmm. And these like government pants that you can never pull up. They're like a new technology. They just stay at shin high.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:22

Peter Teal pants that stay down. Oh my god. Um so Justin, you write this thing kind of sequentially. Like what with that, does like do you ever feel like that set the tone for everything else? Because you're kind of I'm how do I ask this? Like, did you get to end of all the songs and you're like, eh, maybe they don't hang together as cohesively. I gotta go back and like tighten up the transitions.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:45

Or is like there was a few of that. There was yeah, I I my general writing style, just in general outside of this, is I've I've I like getting stuff done and moving on. I don't like stewing on things and fiddling um with sayings. So um with this one, I was like, no, I should probably pay extra care to this. Um so yeah, I did go back, tweak things that didn't work. Um maybe like I wrote a really cool theme later. Not a whole lot, but uh yeah, there were some revisions after I finished writing it.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:28

And I guess at that point you're just like, I gotta I gotta trust, I gotta trust what I'm doing. Like I'm I'm six songs in here, I can't second guess everything.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:34

I just gotta gotta barrel on and yeah, I yeah, I don't I don't really have I mean this is gonna sound like a conceived statement, but like I just don't really have like um um issues with um oh my god, the word just disappeared.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:49

There's no there's no self-doubt. There's no lot of uh insecurity.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:53

Some parts of my life there's no self-doubt. And this is one of those parts that there's no self-doubt. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:59

That explains a lot about getting things done too. Just like having having a short memory for it and just like moving forward. It's a it's a nice feature for a creative person.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:08

No, I will say I had a release party um when this uh when the album first came out, and I was having a lot I was freaking, I was starting to freak out because I was so because that was the moment when it's like, what if people don't like this?

SPEAKER_05 1:03:21

Are you were you you're playing it at this release party?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:24

I just I just played the album. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:26

Um was there a dress that was there a theme to it? Were you dressed in uh era appropriate?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:31

Uh I I didn't dress up, but one of the singers came, he cosplayed, um, and kind of like a general medieval garb.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:40

And you had to pull them aside and you're like, hey buddy, this is cool, but like this is not your show, man. This is not your fucking show. Like, have a good time. I'm really grateful you're here, but like this is not your show.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:49

Yeah, no, I made like a lyric video, so there was like a video people could watch. Oh, and I would like write out the stage directions, so like, oh, this is what's happening on stage. So I did that. Um, anyways, yeah. I at this release party I was starting to like, oh god, what if people will like it, what if people will hate this.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:04

Oh man, that's perfectly natural.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:06

And I was like, I hadn't felt that before. And um uh have you guys been to Roast City Guitar Company?

SPEAKER_05 1:04:12

No, no, okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:14

That's where I uh uh met my friend. Where is it? Oh, it's 28th in Birdside. That's the best room.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:19

No, okay, I know exactly where it is, and I've like looked in there before, and it's a cool space. I think I saw like people doing like a dance class in there or something like that. Yeah, I think it shows there. Okay, I didn't know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:30

Um but yeah, that's where I had it. Cool. Um because my friends run it, and um I I just kept buying beer uh or cider or something. I was just like next go. I just was like start downing. I was so nervous. I usually don't do that. Um but yeah, um But it works.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:48

That's a lesson for you kids out there. Yeah, it works.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:50

Drinking really helps. Yeah, unless you're like me and like any beer you drink could make you puke, then you were probably gonna puke. If you're already anxious, then don't do it.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:02

Beer doesn't have that effect on me. I can't it's really hard for me to get like really, really drunk on beer.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:08

Medically impossible, some have said. I have like a weak ass gag reflex anyway, so like if I like if I were to sits on your tongue too long. If I were to shotgun, like say six beers in a row. Yeah, it's all coming right back up. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:21

I drank a 12-year-old beer at actually at that party.

unknown 1:05:25

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:25

Yeah, my 12-year-old beer? Yeah, so because like on purpose? Yeah, uh on purpose. Because, you know, I told you about that eight-year gap. Yeah. I got this beer. Uh a friend of mine got me this really nice beer for my birthday, and I was like, okay, when I finish my musical, which should be done in about a year, I'm going to whip this out.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:44

Oh, that's cool.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:45

And then it ended up being another 10 years. And it's like, I kept it. And I was like, okay, I kept my promises, so I drank it, and I did not die.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:54

Was it a was it kind of a beer that would age well? What kind of beer was it? Do you know if it was like a like a bear? Age situation.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:01

It wasn't like a barrel age porter or style, but it was a dark beer. It was a dark beer. I think it was banquet. Yeah. So it was it didn't taste. It tasted it it tasted a bit neutral. Um, but it it wasn't bad and it didn't kill me.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:16

When I was uh first looking for apartments, me and my friends checked out this place, and uh there was like a 12th pack of beer left over from the previous tenants. Hell yeah. And the guy who was showing it to them was just like, you can have these. So we took them back and we were drinking them, and every time you would open one of those beers, half the bottle fizz out, and it would be all separated. And I think I think those beers were the beers that they kept along the edge of their like thing. Remember when college kids or like people who just started drinking would display every beer they'd ever drank on like the shelves? I had a friend who's had a place like that, yeah. I think these were unopened shelf beers. Oh fuck it. And we drank them all and they were disgusting. But we were probably 18 or 19, so it was like a magical gift at the same time.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:03

So what do people think at the what was the reception like at the at the release party? Were people ultimately were your fears unjustified?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:09

Yeah, they were unjustified. Uh yeah, I think people uh yeah, people liked it, uh for sure. Um well I I do remember um one of my one of the singers uh who I had she had like a very small bit apart, so she like recorded herself and sent it to me. So that was the first day I met her. Um but she was like, uh I mean I'm going into like tech technical nerdy music theory stuff, but she's like, Yeah, you really like writing in five, don't you? I'm like, yeah, you you got me there.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:41

And you had to again you had to pull her aside and be like, hey, listen. That's my thing. Well, I feel like five has got that little, you know, it's got that little extra that like kind of slings you along. I think that I feel like that lends itself to a sort of a storytelling style. I mean, didn't Shakespeare write in pentameter, which is a five.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:58

Yeah, I am a pentameter. So it's gonna it has a dead and like you know, I I can see how that would lend itself to musical.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:07

Oh, that he didn't really write it? That he doesn't really exist.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:10

So here's my here's my thing on that. If that was true, somebody still wrote it. So that person is Shakespeare.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:20

Exactly. It doesn't matter. I've heard a bunch of different conspiracy theories on it. One is that it was a woman and she couldn't get her shit published because it that's just the way it was then. So she gave her work to this dude and made him famous. Which is, I think, a movie. Uh the other one is that Shakespeare and it was a black like a black woman. It was like the next level where it's like they were not allowed to at that time learn to read and write in a way that other people could write pant poems and shit, and let alone get something performed for like royalty. The other thing is, this is an interesting conspiracy theory on it. It was a collective of people because a lot of poets and writers at the time would kind of stick with their fucking lane. Shakespeare was doing everything, and all of it was hitting. So maybe it was a collective of people released under the name Shakespeare, where they're like, we just have to have our like American president that we can control, you know. So that's why I think that Donald Trump is Shakespeare.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:15

Here's a conspira here's a conspiracy in reverse. What if, and this is not necessarily my thing thinking, but like my feeling, but it's possible. What if we spent like several hundred years venerating this writing and we have no objective dis different distance from it, and we can't even tell if it's good anymore, but it is Shakespeare. So what if it was like fine in its time and it was totally plausible that someone, one person, could write all these plays? Like it was Shrek. And people kind of like them because there weren't there wasn't a lot going on. They're like, I fucking love every play I see, and this is a cool theater, of course I like it, and we have just venerated it for centuries and centuries, and now it has taken on a disproportionate meaning in our culture versus being objectively good outside of that because it's a classic because it's a classic.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:56

You're explaining Shrek right now. People love Shrek, they love it so much, and it's just a bunch of like references to like when it came out.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:04

Okay, it's not that good. I'm kind of with you on that because Shrek came out when I was like in middle school, and I saw it at the time. I liked it, you know. It's like, oh, it kind of makes fun of Disney, ha ha ha. But I it wasn't like some amazing piece of art.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:17

No, because I thought I was like, is this animation finished?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:19

Did they release it without like it was funny parts, it was fine. Um, and now like people like venerate it like it's like some like classic masterpiece. I'm like, if you're around at that time, no one thought that. Yeah. No one thought it back then.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:35

I mean, that's my feeling. But they made what four of them, and I think they're having another one out next year or something like that. Yeah, I think they are.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:40

There's another one that's coming out, and there's there's a like a rave circuit that goes around Shrek Rave. Shreking. And it's just fucking hilarious that that exists. Sounds like a kink. Yeah. Yeah. Shrek Rave.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:50

It's a lot of green paint and uh smash mouth. Smash mouth dubstep.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:56

It is pretty cool though, in the world of Shrek being good, it makes Smashmouth good forever. Which is wild.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:03

It backdoored them into our permanent culture. It's pretty fucking wild. Them and the monkeys.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:08

Right, yes. Yeah. What songs do you think are gonna be in the new Shrek? You think you're gonna hear some chapel roan in there?

SPEAKER_05 1:11:16

Oh, yeah, because by the time it comes out, like Pink Pony Club will be like two and a half years old.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:21

It'll be the perfect time to pretend like it was about two years old when Shrek came out, so that makes sense.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:29

That's right. Yeah, Pink Pony Shrek. And that'll be a perfect example of just how perfectly out of phase Shrek has always been with the culture.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:35

Dude, that got me thinking, can you imagine a pink Shrek? How just nasty that boy would be.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:43

Dude, just like rule 34 online.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:45

Yeah, I know that happens in one of the movies where he turns into a human, but when it happened in the movie, I was like, no, dude, go back.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:51

I saw the first one and I thought it was like a B minus, and I never watched another second of the series.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:57

I've seen all of them so many times. I'm actually a huge, huge Shrek stand, but I don't know. There we go. Okay. I have to say this movie suck ass.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:04

You know, we've spent a lot of time dwelling on the Vin Diesel part of your AI obsession, but we didn't spend enough time, it turns out, dwelling on the Vin Diesel as Shrek part of your AI obsession. Yes, yes. The pick the puzzle pieces have come together into Shrek Diesel.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:22

Shrek Diesel is that's my DC.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:24

That was actually Shack's Halloween costume for several years.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:27

Oh, it was so nasty. He was so good. A big, a big Shack Shrek. Oh, that's so good.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:33

Um, Andy, we've been we've been dominating the musicals have been dominating today's episode, but I know you've been listening to some stuff. Maybe we should give you a little chance to spin the ones and the twos. What have you been listening to this week? Oh my god.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:45

You guys. I'm gonna blast your fucking asses off with this. I'm looking forward to it. This is a New York musician um who is just an enig an enigma and just like such an interesting creature of a person. She loses she was recorded this album while like intermittently losing her sight over the last seven years. And uh, you know, she's put out a bunch of stuff since then. But like this is some summer shit. Like sometimes, you know, it comes around and you want to hear summer music, and I want my summer music to be pop music, I want it to be weird though. I want it to be unique, like this shit is. Uh Who is this? Her name is HYD, which is the uh stage name uh for Hayden Dunham from New York. Uh artist and musician, and uh they've got a bunch of great stuff out. They've done shows at some really good galleries. I think they probably will have one going by the time this show comes out. But uh I'm gonna play you the first song off of their album, Hold Me Close, Hold On to Me Infinity, and it's called Angel. You can get it on Bandcamp. There's uh some awesome vinyl pressings of this that look really cool that I believe are not sold out yet. But this did come out in May, so I could be wrong. So check this out. This is the first song off of it, and it's called Angel.

SPEAKER_11 1:14:20

Uh Patty through and through. Couldn't tell you what to do. Machiavelli in the room, and you told my dad why you. Okay, out of school, rock sex, drugs all true. I don't know then if I knew, but now I do I go, and you left me all alone. Whispers of changing form, seeing you return home. Air plus body free. Now I see you inside me, hands up from the ground, on my knees, pitching.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:17

Um, Justin, we've been subjecting you to our nonsense against you well, but would you consider consenting to it voluntarily for a little game we like to play? Sure. Okay. Well, this is something we call a license plate detective. And Andy will be driving around town here in Portland, and he will see what is very obviously a vanity plate, but he'll have no idea what they're trying to communicate. And so we do a little uh do a little detective work and help him to kind of try to figure out what maybe these license plates are really trying to say.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:44

So Andy, uh, and again, for our listeners, these are real license plates. So you might run into the peeking dog out there someday and know that they're crazy high on acid.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:53

They might be. That's what we think it is on the last one. Who uh okay, what's the first plate, Andy? Alright. Uh the first one that really caught my attention this week was Bun Bun. Okay. No spaces. Just B-U-N-B-U-N.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:07

I think obviously a baker who leans into you know how like when you go to like a carnival and they they make your caricature and it's you like playing mini golf or something like that with a giant head. I think she's got that sign of kind of art style that leans into her very tall hair. So she's the bun bun. She's the bun bun.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:26

Yeah, I was just thinking like a pet name of some sort, but oh it's like somebody's like, oh hey, I got you a I I love you, sweetie. I got you your own vanity plate bun bun. Bun bun. Yeah. And they're like, fuck, now I have to drive with that.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:38

Yeah. We've only known each other for a month and a half, and you already got me this vanity plate.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:43

Yeah, if I mean if if that's a case that gives off tattoo of your significant other vibe.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:47

Like also the kind of nickname that you would like well enough that like that you would self-appoint. Because here's the other thing, like, if you know you're not supposed to give yourself your own nickname right, but the way you make it stick is if you really commit. That's when you get the tattoo, or you get the vanity plate, and people are like, I guess, I guess this is bun bun.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:09

No. Yeah. I mean, a lot of times when I look at these license plates, I consider like I don't know who thinks like this besides me, but like, what if it's supposed to be read backwards? And if that was the case, it would be nubnub. Isn't that a Star Wars character?

SPEAKER_05 1:20:26

It's Nyetnub, who is uh the co-pilot of the Millennium Falcon in Return of the Jedi, but yeah.

unknown 1:20:31

They're referring to like a heavy carb diet where you take the meat out of the heavy.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:35

Oh, they're on a bun bun diet. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:39

The anti-paleo.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:40

Yeah, I know. The no meat bun. I go to Burger King and I get the bun bun.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:46

Or it could be something like their child said as a baby. Yep. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:52

Alright, you guys know the rule. Whatever your kid says first. First word says your baby's baby plate. I got $300 on it. That would be a really funny thing for like a group of like parents with all babies at the same time. You know? Like, man. You have to say it, and like definitely our license plate would have been like booby or something.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:11

Right. And then you like actively try to get your friend's kids to say the worst possible thing. Like piss monster. That's your kid's first word, and that's your vanity word.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:21

True, I have to talk to you. You I saw you in the corner saying piss monster over and over to my two-year-old, and I just didn't appreciate it. He's a late talker. And now that's all he can say. No, he just started saying piss monster and washing machine fucker.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:35

Yeah, and I would know in my heart that you would love to have that as your vanity play, and you were looking for any excuse you could possibly get.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:40

I did, and now I am now I am the piss monster.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:43

Yeah. Like the cookie monster, but for piss. I was shocked that it was still available. Okay, what's the the next one?

SPEAKER_04 1:21:52

Oh, the next one it was uh L R D Space M-I-C. Okay, so we got Lord Mike. Lord Mike? That sounds like the coolest person. But if that's backwards, like it's the Mike Lord. The Mike Lord. And the Mike Lord was already taken. Oh my god. Lord Mike is the Mike Lord. I mean, I just gotta think, like is he what is he the lord of?

SPEAKER_05 1:22:18

Well the Mike, the original Mike Lord is a a local youth pastor. And named Mike. He held it down for a long time. So he got it first. Uh this so he's like, fuck, I can't be the the OG Mike Lord, so I have to be the Lord Mike. Yeah. Or are you like the instrument of God? Are you the micro throne through which the word of God is? Wait, what's the MIC or M I K?

SPEAKER_04 1:22:38

It's M I C. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:40

Yeah. It could be like someone who really freaking loves microphones. They're hyperfixing it on microphones. Yeah. They're looking for the God Mike.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:48

And it's more like, you know, like Lord Mike. It's like really excited about it.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:53

Or this guy is a real piece of shit, and he thinks he's the lord of his cul-de-sac and all his neighbors hate him. Or and he got this license plate that says Lord Mike, and they're like, dude, nobody, yeah, nobody united you Lord or King or anything in this cul-de-sac, you piece of shit.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:09

Yeah, you're an absolute piece of shit. You will refer to me as Lord Mike. And his car gets keyed all the time. I think they're like pig auctioneer, and it's Lard Mike. Oh, it could be Lard Mike. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:20

Pig Auctioneer would be a sick license plate. Yeah. And your name was Lard Mike. I would buy anything from that auctioneer.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:29

Which is a famous phrase for pig auctioneers. Yeah. That's that's their Reddit thread. The Lard Mikes. It's all about cadence and patter.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:42

It is.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:44

You get one more, Andy. What's the third plate?

SPEAKER_04 1:23:46

Alright. Uh this one. Didn't make any sense to me, but I just had to bring it to the attention of all of you that someone paid money to get this one. It is B-U-U-Space B-O-O. Boo? Boo? Boo-boo. It's boo-boo, but like, why are you spelling it this way?

SPEAKER_01 1:24:03

B-O-O-B-O-O was already taken, would be my guess. Yeah.

unknown 1:24:06

Like boo-boo.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:08

It's just like I laughed at this and could not sound it out correctly in my head to save my life. It's like a baboo. Maybe it's like a bye, that's how they say goodbye to their friends. And like this cutesy way that they made up. A baboo. A baboo.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:25

You know how sometimes people um in their like personal lives give themselves like uh like in a relationship, you you have like a foot out the door, you give yourself an out, or you never kind of close it out. So you always always get out of the situation you're in. So you never have to commit. I'm wondering if like you would find out that the propensity of people who get vanity plates to become kidnappers is is higher. Like the natural inclination, because I feel like we uh uh kind of dismiss vanity plates, like it's kind of like hiding in plain sight. Like, oh no one who kidnaps would get a vanity plate. It would be too obvious, too easy to remember their car. But I'm wondering if they're like that's their foot out the door.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:03

Oh yeah, this is a serial killer.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:04

I have this, I can always I'm I'm I'm one vanity plate closer to actually kidnapping, like I really want to. I'm probably not gonna do it. I I don't, you know, I'm I'm I'm in this life, but I could always kidnap if I need to.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:17

Or this could be a ghost who got a car and they are the boo boo, and they're just like or they thought boo boo boo was too obvious.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:27

They're passing as living. Oh no, it's not it's nothing ghosty, it's boo-boo.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:33

It's like le boo-boo. Maybe that is what it is. Maybe this is a really high-level laboo-boo salesman, and they're like, nah, you gotta go boo-boo. Because it's laboo. Oh god with a U and then boo. Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:46

And if you're abbreviating it, it's just obviously it's boo. Yeah. Boo. Yeah. Not English. Maybe. I'm not sure if that worked. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:00

Yeah. And that it probably cost them a hundred extra dollars to get that license plate. Oh, yeah. But they locked it down. Because that's the kind of person they are. You can never let it go. And they they made my day. I could not understand it.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:13

Well, that was a pretty good round, Andy. I'd give that round that was like the Shrek 2 of license plate detective round.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:20

Shrek 2 is a superior film, Shrek. That's what I mean.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:22

I'm saying this that was a b a solid B plus.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:24

That's when you found out that a donkey fucked a dragon. You find that on the first one, don't you? But they like go into their relationship squabbles and how it's very unpleasant.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:34

You find out in the first one that the the the donkey is willing to fuck the dragon.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:38

Yeah, you do find out he's willing, and then little babies show up, but in the second one you find out.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:42

Are they like hybrids?

SPEAKER_04 1:26:44

Are they donkey style um because they are like dragon donkey dragons and they can fly. Oh man. People like this stuff, huh?

SPEAKER_05 1:26:51

Yeah. They love it. That and Hook. I just watched Hook. I do like Hook.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:56

I haven't seen that since I was a kid.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:58

Anti-Hook, Andy? I hated Hook when it came out. I was just very much um not a fan of what Robin Williams was doing. Because I was a much bigger fan of his nasty comedy where he was like really filthy. Oh, right. And he had kind of made this turn where now he was a children's actor, and I was just like, man, you sold out, you piece of shit. As like a 12-year-old. You piece of shit.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:24

Did you see Erica's costume at the Robin Williams party? She was she was pre-Peter Pan Peter from.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:30

No, that's what she was. That's amazing.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:31

Yeah. She had the little Tinkerbell footprints on her.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:34

What was this Robin Williams party? Everybody dressed up as a Robin Williams character. That's exactly right, Justin.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:38

We had a friend who had a birthday party and she was like, it's a Robin Williams party.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:42

How many genies were there?

SPEAKER_05 1:27:44

No genies. And he was sort of like the genie after he gets his freedom. I was. He had like a tropical shirt on.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:50

I walked in and was like, I'm Robin Williams, and everyone's like, You're not wearing a costume. You're just wearing your brightest yellow shirt.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:57

There was a lot of morts stand-up era like sustainable. Suspenders, Robert Williams. Yeah, a lot of Armand from the Birdcage.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:03

Oh, yeah, I was just thinking that. I think those were the two biggest groups. And the third biggest group was Mrs. Doubtfire.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:08

Oh, yeah. Yeah. And then I was the character priest character from um licensed to wed.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:15

Amazing. That's a good deep cut. Never even seen it. I also like you just had a priest costume laying around.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:21

I I had a black shirt and a piece of white cardboard.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:27

Just a black shirt, white cardboard. Yeah. You're actually technically a Wild West priest. Exactly. And a frontier priest. And you're a frontier priest.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:35

I am licensed to wed people in the street. Save here to stick. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:40

I've never done it, but I'm licensed. I want to see the movie starring you on the license to wed.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:44

Oh for one, my my wedding didn't stick. Or my marriage didn't stick.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:47

Oh, that's the best part. I want to see you do a series of weddings. A movie where you do a series of weddings and none of them stick, and then it's your turn and you're like, is it gonna stick?

SPEAKER_05 1:28:58

Isn't that like sort of the plot of like good luck, Chuck, except instead of fucking people that get married, I'm the priest who ruins their marriages? I guess it's nothing like that then.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:06

No, it's new. It's a new thing. It's never been done at Hollywood. No. And originally copyright. Yeah. Hurry here first. It's right up there with it's right there with Drew crime and and pot garbage and all the other ideas that we are definitely going to do tomorrow. Well, Justin's inspired me to follow through. You got 15 years to do it.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:25

That means we're almost out of time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:28

One year, guys.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:30

Um, Justin, you brought a third jam, if I'm not mistaken. Uh or well, you have got a whole musical you could share, but what was uh what's the third one that you'd like to close out with?

SPEAKER_01 1:29:40

I wanted to save this one. Uh I I picked this one. So the other two songs I actually asked friends, hey, you know, I'm doing this podcast thing, where are the were the songs I should do? And they suggested the other two ones. But this is one that I wanted to do because it's probably my personal favorite.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:55

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:56

Um this is one of the last songs I wrote. It was like it came later in revisions, but yeah, this is a slower song. Um, song nine, um, by the blood in my veins. And it's like a duet between Haimdall and Loki, and those are like my two favorite characters to write for. So, um I really enjoyed writing this one. Um, and yeah, that's kind of why I picked it.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:24

Awesome. Um, I'm excited to hear your personal faith. Let's give it a spin.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:51

All that we've done was it in vain. If now we just run and beg mercy from a vein, I'd rather we find a new home than make them king before I have shown the glory.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:13

I will all the times I was gay All the rights and all the wrongs, the agony and shame. Now they would change the rules of love.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:30

Okay, how can they shun the nature of my father's cooking?

SPEAKER_05 1:34:47

So, Justin, in addition to being uh you know, writer of musicals and creator of musicals, you play music other kinds of music too. In fact, you mentioned that you are gigging heavily right now and and kind of like a musician for hire. Um what kinds of stuff do you like to play outside of what we've been hearing so far?

SPEAKER_01 1:35:04

Yeah, so um I I just love drumming. So like I don't like limiting myself to genre. Yeah. Um I love drumming all sorts of things. Of course, you know, I'm a rock and roller at heart, so I like playing rock music, but um yeah, I love jamming out some jazz. Um uh Ladd and Beats, Brazilian music.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:27

Um What's the best drum in the kit? Right now? For me, it's the fucking um snare? It's a floor tom. Oh yeah, the floor tomorrow. I like the thumb.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:40

Yeah, uh nicely tuned floor tom is pretty sick.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:45

Do you have a favorite?

SPEAKER_01 1:35:47

I I'm gonna have to just go with the snare. Okay. Um just because I can do the most with it.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:52

Yeah. Yeah, that's cool. You have a you have a deep booming snare? I I have several snares. Okay. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:58

I have deep snares, I have shallow snares, I have acrylic snares, wood snares, aluminum snares. Holy shit.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:05

Do you have a piccolo snare?

SPEAKER_01 1:36:06

I don't have a piccolo snare. Yeah, because that's cool.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:10

You gotta have one of those if you want to play 311 songs.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:13

Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah. And who doesn't?

SPEAKER_05 1:36:17

Actually, the 311 drummer. I don't I shouldn't say actually, I love 311. Their drummer is really good. Yeah, good drummer.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:23

He's got a piccolo snare. A friend of mine loved them and was saving up money to get the specific one he had that he used because of the colour.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:29

Oh, yeah, a lot of people do stuff like that all the time. Yeah, they were just like, oh, it's fucking sound so cool.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:34

Do you have uh who are like your drummer, the drummer like Mount Rushmore?

SPEAKER_01 1:36:39

Oh, okay, yeah, my my favorite drummer of all time is Ian Pace from Deep Purple. Okay. Awesome. Um I love him. I uh like Keith Moon, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:36:54

Um total maniac.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:56

Yeah, just total crazy, breaks all the rules, and I love it.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:59

The human version of Animal. Yeah, animal is based off animal.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:02

Um my original love was Ringo. He's my kind of got me into drumming.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:09

Yeah, he gets a lot of shit, doesn't he? But he has a lot of things. I don't know. I mean he's pretty fucking magic.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:14

I even remember, I remember listening to this Ringo interview where he was talking to Rick Rubin, I think, on that that podcast. Oh yeah. And he was like had done some session work where he was like with Tom Petty and he was gonna play but he couldn't really do it. Not because it was like too hard, just like his style fit what they did so specifically that it was hard for him to be like because he plays like open-handed, doesn't he?

SPEAKER_01 1:37:33

Like he plays like he's a left-handed drum he he's a left-handed, but he plays right in a right-handed setup. Yeah. So he plays differently than most drummers do.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:45

I just always loved his his timing. There's just a great he has just great, great timing, good good choices, I think, where he dabbles. That's a good one.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:53

Yeah, then like my jazz drummers, I love Tony Williams and uh Joe Morallo. Those two guys are absolutely amazing.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:02

You know what's also great about drumming is like the phrase beating the skins. That's pretty good. That is a good phrase. Killer, killer like instrument phrase. It is pretty crazy. Like the guitar doesn't even really I mean, guitar doesn't have something that good. Shredding, it's fine, but it's no beat the skins.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:18

I saw a video on the internet the other day of like uh I think we've all seen them. This guy doing them now. It was a band and they were playing their rock band, and the singer, guitar player was really mad at the drummer, it looks like, and he threw a whole glass of water on him. And I know a lot of my friends who play drums who are so hot that they take off most of their clothes while they play. I do that. I kind of think that this was more of a pump-up thing.

unknown 1:38:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:44

Everyone in the comments was like, that's a fucking band argument right there. It's like a chess. Like, how dare you do that? I think it was more of like, we're killing it, we're playing the next song. Cool off, brother. And he just soaked him.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:58

Or do you think it was actually a fight? I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:00

I mean, I if if it was me and the guy threw water on my drums, I would be mad. It didn't look like it's the drums.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:07

It looked like it was the the it looked like the drummer had a fucking GoPro on. Because all the water hit the face. Oh, okay. Or chest or whatever this camera was at. It kind of hit the camera. So it meant it made it me think it hit the body and not the drums. That's why a lot of people were complaining, like, fuck man, who's gonna clean that shit up? And fuck those drums up. They all need to be tuned now. But uh I think he hit solid.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:32

I think it was like a blue man group thing where they had to play those drums with like the splash of like whatever.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:38

There's a few bands around town that cover their drums in like rubbing alcohol and light them on fire. Really? I haven't heard about this. Yeah, it's pretty awesome. Oh man, I wish I could fucking pull it. It's not Titans of Industry. I forget. It's the Tennessee Titans. Yeah, it's the Tennessee Titans. Marching band. The football marching band. They cover their shit in rubbing alcohol.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:59

Soak their quads in in kerosene and just.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:10

I don't know what the deal is there. It's a magic fire. I barely touched my finger to a blowtorch today and thought I was gonna have third degree burns.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:17

I I yeah, I I brushed my elbow against uh a pan that wasn't even like on the burner anymore. It just was still hot and I know it ruined my afternoon. Yeah. Justin, do you ever do the thing when you're playing with a rock band where you have like a like you're doing a kick thing in the middle of a song where it's and then you'd like point at the crowd with a stick? Do you ever like do that where you're just like digging and then you're just gesturing with the with the stick?

SPEAKER_01 1:40:41

No, I haven't done that specifically. I do like performing.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:45

I I do love um what's your persona like on back there behind the kit?

SPEAKER_01 1:40:50

Um people say I smile a lot. It's like, yeah, you smile a lot when you play. It's unnerving. No, just kidding. I mean, maybe, I don't know. Um, yeah, I just I just enjoy playing and I I you know I like amplifying my moves, um, but not actually playing loud. Yeah. Like I'll go in for like this dramatic crash and be like, tap.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:12

That's a nice move.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:13

Yeah, like I do stuff like that all the time.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:15

It's a little like like sort of an octopus armor.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:17

You just kind of I had a drummer, uh just years ago, a drummer, uh one of the uh drum other drummers in another band I was playing uh the show I was at, he's he said he he called me the octopus because of like how I was drumming or something. It's like, man, you're like an octopus. Notorious drummers of the game. That'll be my nickname, I guess, but never caught on.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:38

And you clearly had your own language and memories.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:41

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:42

Not unlike an octopus. Exactly. Oh, that's cool. That's a great that's a great drumming nickname. Have you guys ever seen the band Weed Eater?

SPEAKER_04 1:41:48

Um No. Their drummer does this amazing No, I have seen them. He does a stick twirl, he does like a really good around, fully around the thumb stick twirl with both hands. Oof. And to the point where he's so good at it that he does it too much. Honestly. I mean, I think it's cool, but uh he's doing it between fills and stuff. Yeah, it's not between songs anymore. Now it's like part of the song where it's like that's high risk, dude. If you lose that stick, you're like in between like hits.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:18

I mean, like on social media you'll see a lot of that sometimes, and that that is a bit too much even for me. Like that me stick flips.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:25

I think the stick flip a little past that.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:27

Or yeah. I think I can only do it with my right hand, I cannot do with my left hand.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:31

Oh, are you flip- is he flipping out in the air or is he twirling it in the finger? He does both.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:35

He does a twirl, but it's like a very exaggerated huge twirl. I don't mind the twirl. It looks like a nunchel. Uh he does the flip too, and he'll grab it and the dude's got it dialed. And I guess if I had it dialed like that, too. I would do it. You got it, flaw on it. Maybe it's not like that anymore. Maybe he's I haven't seen them in a number of years. Yeah. But he is an incredible drummer. It's just that like sometimes it's just like, well, just like play the song. Yeah. I do like the the tricks though.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:00

One of our show favorite bands is this Bokan band uh Kadabra that we've seen several times. And their their drummer just left to, I think, be a music teacher, actually. But he was the best drummer I've ever seen play live. And just like the ease with which he would do everything, and like to the point where he would like reach over and have a drink in the middle of like a fill, and like he was like, Where's the extra hand coming from? Like how is this happening? But so casual, just so loose.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:24

I did something like that before where I'm playing a song, and I'm I just well now I have cup holders on my drums, but before I did it, I'd be drinking while playing a song. Yeah. Um be like, yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:35

This dude would do cymbal grabs with his mouth, which is a weird move. Oh my god. That seems yeah, it seems like a bad idea, but it's also very cool. Yeah, pretty cool. And also I would only do that to my drums if it was like the house drums.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:47

I don't think I'm like, I'm just gonna lick these symbols and I don't know where they've been.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:51

Maybe that's his thing. Maybe he's like, Man, I can't wait to get it behind that drum kit, because really I want to get them my mouth on those symbols. We get these voices. Yeah, you guys, did you see the symbols they have in this place? I cannot wait to get my mouth on those. And people are like, haha, you drummer. That's a funny thing, but no. No, he's legit. He loves putting his mouth on symbols, and it's really cool to do, but I mean, when he talks about it, his friends are a little put off, I think.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:17

Yeah, I get it. Um Justin, before we go, we like to usually talk in some way about the future. Um most of the time we try to conjure some sort of bizarre scenario where someone creates something that was be outside of the realm of their usual, but you have created a rock musical, and so I don't know where else we might push you to go. Uh I gotta get one. But you got one? No, you got one. Bring it to bring it to us, Andy.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:45

If you could premiere this musical in its full glory with like 30 people playing it in anything in the city, where would you have it done?

SPEAKER_05 1:44:55

Not a theater.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:56

Yeah, any non-music venue place.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:58

But it's also gonna sound great, so you don't have to worry about the sound.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:00

Okay. Yeah, because like I I'd pick like Portland Center stage, but if I'm not going to do that, that would be dope. Um Yeah, uh well actually I was uh at the party, at the show I was at on Saturday, I was uh talking with a friend about this, and he was like, Oh, why not Rev Hall?

SPEAKER_04 1:45:17

Oh, that would be so cool. That's that's gotta be my current favorite venue in town. It just sounds the best, and you can see the best from everywhere because they took all the seats out and it's got the angled floor down to the stage.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:28

So I got two fun facts about Rev Hall. One, my grandparents went to high school there when it was still high school.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:34

Oh wow, you've got family connection.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:36

Yeah. But fun fact too, I've never actually seen a show there. Oh, you've gotta remedy that. Yeah. I w I I've I've been I've been in that building before it was Rev Hall, but I just haven't seen a show there.

SPEAKER_05 1:45:47

When your grandfather finally graduated from high school.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:49

He was like, yeah. When he was like seventy.

SPEAKER_05 1:45:53

Came to finish. Yeah. That's where you got with that. That's why you stick with things. You know, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:57

I like you hadn't gone to a show there for years after it opened. And uh have been to a bunch since. And uh yeah, it just it's great. Everything the Mississippi Studios people had their hand in, just they really focus on sound. Yeah, and that really uh goes a long way for me because it always sounds really good in all their venues. Check out Polaris Hall too, if you haven't been there yet. That's another one of their venues that's wait, what place? Uh Polaris Hall.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:22

Yeah, it's like a it's a smaller spot, but really cool. Same same people.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:27

Yeah, yeah, I I have heard of it, but I haven't been there either.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:29

What if you had to stage the musical in one of Portland's many defunct malls? Which mall would you select? The best mall to play in. I have uh what I would consider an answer because I think it would give you a lot of flexibility.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:41

Is White Center considered defunct? Oh, definitely. Okay. Yeah. Uh-huh. That would be good. Definitely not mall 205.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:47

Oh man, that was that was what a trashy spot for. I love that. You could really class it up.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:51

I love the dirt mall.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:53

I my suggestion would be, and this isn't totally defunct, but it's dying, would be the Pioneer Square Mall because they've got those several places with the all the escalators that opened in the atrium. And then you could you could do a lot of different things on different levels.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:07

I've actually seen a show there when I was a kid. Oh do you remember who it was? No, no, exactly. This is kind of relates way back to the beginning when I was talking about Rocapella. Um, I was a big fan of the Where in the World Is Carmen San Diego show as a kid, and they were doing a tour. Oh nice yeah, they it was at Pioneer Place in that like so tall. And I remember being like on the second floor looking over down on the stage. And I was like nine at the time.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:37

Amazing. That's a great mall show.

SPEAKER_05 1:47:39

That's a great throwback because there was an era where your the TV shows we all loved would have like some sort of like costume show, always in a mall. I'd forgotten about seeing the turtles live in a mall or something like that.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:52

Oh my god, I would love to see the turtles. I love that album they put out. It was so good.

SPEAKER_05 1:47:55

Every year at the State Fair, I grew up in Indiana, we'd go to the state fair. There was always some sort of like live cartoon thing happening in one of like the exhibition halls.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:04

It was like the don't do drugs like super collab where all the cartoons coyote gets badly addicted to heroin and you know, he has to be saved by the roadrunner. Do you guys remember this public service announcement cartoon where it was every cartoon combined?

SPEAKER_05 1:48:18

Yeah, it was but it was like a 20-minute like show.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:21

I remember that. There was like the the bad guy was made of smoke and he had like a black leather jacket on.

SPEAKER_05 1:48:26

And Bug Bunny and Daffy Duck go butt to butt on a two-sided dildo, which is where Darren Arnovsky got that part irrup. Exactly inspired by that after school special.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:36

It changed it quite a bit and made it a lot more sad. Yeah, it was done as a real slapstick movie in the original.

SPEAKER_05 1:48:43

Yeah, they were doing it anyway.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:44

It made it like a don't don't don't don't noise, and it was it was like uh, you know, they're cartoons, they're tunes. Yeah. It's different. They can do whatever they want.

SPEAKER_05 1:48:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:52

It's Toon Town, baby.

SPEAKER_05 1:48:54

Um, well, Justin, thank you so much for hanging out with us. Oh, thank you for having me, everyone. Sharing this really cool story. This is it's been inspiring. This is uh, you know, yeah. You're unlike anyone we've uh spoken to on the program. And we are yeah, we are uh very grateful for you sharing it and sharing the music. Um what's the best way for people to keep an eye on this, follow you, listen to it? How can people keep up with this?

SPEAKER_01 1:49:16

Yeah, so um so I think uh social media is a good way to know like developments um that are going on. Like it, like, for example, if this does get staged, that's where you'll find out. So Instagram, in on its name is best bet there. Uh, there is a Facebook, but you know, nobody's on Facebook unless you're a boomer.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:37

I I check it just to see. Um I'm a real creep.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:41

Um and then uh yeah, I mean, like if you want to check out the music itself, uh Bandcamp.

SPEAKER_05 1:49:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:49

That's what what I recommend.

SPEAKER_05 1:49:50

Throw some dollars his way, everybody. It's worth it.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:53

It's fun. Um and any streaming app that's not Spotify because I don't get paid by them.

unknown 1:49:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:00

Us either.

SPEAKER_05 1:50:02

And how. Well just thank you again. This is awesome. Let us know when it gets staged. Oh, I will. We will throw roses on the stage afterwards. And you'll get to do that awesome like director's bow. That's gonna be a big moment for you. Well deserved. Thank you again. Thank you, appreciate it. And thanks to all of you for listening. We appreciate you tuning in this week. And uh hopefully every week, or at least one or two more. You know, we're not too picky, but we appreciate it.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:28

We do appreciate it.

SPEAKER_05 1:50:29

You know what? This is nominally a music show. Andy hosts an internet radio show every Friday on Hash Air. It's called Hash Air with Mr. Tomorrow. It's on Shady Pines Radio at 6 p.m. on Friday. So it's a lot less of me talking, a lot more of Andy selecting circular tunes for you. So be sure to check that out. And uh he's gonna give you a little taste of one right now. What are we going on tonight, anyway?

SPEAKER_04 1:50:50

We're gonna go out on just uh really awesome, just like kinda shoe gazy power poppy rock band from Cincinnati. That's how I feel like I said that.

SPEAKER_05 1:51:02

That's right.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:06

That's why they were all five ways. Uh this is a band called Sunday. Uh this is some also some the other side of the summertime sound. Where sometimes you just want to hear something sad and longing and horny, maybe if you're like me. But mostly it's just like horny. This is the kind of shit that you want to drive in your car to where you're just like beating it behind the wheels and tears running down your face. In a legal fashion.