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From Setback to Success: Mastering Resilience and Bouncing Back
Discover the true meaning of resilience as we bring you an insightful episode of the Northern Power Women podcast, live from EY HQ in Manchester.
Our panelists Lauren, Rebecca, and Kerry share their unique stories and wisdom about overcoming setbacks. .
Join us to hear inspiring anecdotes about learning from challenges, embracing progress over perfection, and the importance of making everyone in the room feel included and valued.
Listen to Learn:
- common misconceptions about resilience
- how tiny changes can lead to monumental growth
- the critical role of allyship and mentorship
- how to keep dancing when the music stops
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Speaker 2:Northern Power Women podcast for your career and your life, no matter what business you're in.
Speaker 3:Well, hello, welcome, welcome, welcome and welcome to the we Are Power podcast. Slash webinar, slash video Nothing like a little bit of multitasking. My name is Simone. I'm the founder of we Are Power, northern Power, women Power Collective. A lot of P's in there there, and tonight we are live at EYHQ in St Peter's Square in Manchester for our celebration event, where we have got millions of people, quite frankly, all amassed in this wonderful room and on the terrace. We've got them back in now because it's obviously tropical in Manchester this evening as we record.
Speaker 3:We've got a stellar panel for you this evening. We're going to start a conversation. We're going to be talking about bouncing back, we're going to be talking about setbacks and resilience, and I am delighted now to introduce you to our wonderful panel, lauren.
Speaker 2:We'll start with you, you are fresh back from Belize right, I am.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've just come back from a six-month trip around Central and South America. Fancy, it's so fancy. Yeah, I've only been back a week, so it's really exciting to be here and see some familiar faces and hopefully meet some new people as well.
Speaker 3:And I'm our Futurist. What year? Last year? Yeah, woooo, all celebrations, children.
Speaker 2:That's what it's all about tonight, rebecca. I know it's what it's all about tonight.
Speaker 3:Rebecca Hello, I'm not just giving the name away. It's fantastic to be here. I'm lucky enough to work for UI here in Manchester, and also Neil, the power list from last year. We have an alumni of 2023 this evening, so congratulations, walter.
Speaker 2:Kerry. So I'm Kerry Phillips-Bund and I'm from VARFACE.
Speaker 3:You're right, you're like crypto, crazy crypto queen, aren't you?
Speaker 2:So this year I am sponsoring the Northwest Gender Network for VARFACE, and we've just also launched a women in cyber network as well. Globally, it's just super exciting, wow.
Speaker 3:So let's kick in with the questions, rebecca. We talk about resilience a lot, I think, and we talk about how we have to develop it at different stages throughout our lives. But where do you think it actually? Where does it come from? What does it mean to you personally? So, resilience is the definition of being able to recover quickly right Of setbacks and difficulties, and last week, I've actually now got a new definition of what resilience means.
Speaker 3:Do we want to hear that. Yeah. So last Friday I had the absolute pleasure of dancing. Jen, you would have loved it, because we were dancing for 12 hours straight, from 12 noon to 12 midnight. The fabulous Christy Foster is in our wonderful audience tonight. We're doing it to raise money for prevent breast cancer and you're grossing about £27,000 and growing and growing, amazing.
Speaker 3:Come on, I really would appreciate this. The resilience came in growing amazing. Come on, come on, come on. I think our audience would appreciate this. The resilience came in so dancing from 12 noon to 12 midnight. At 11pm we lost all power, the music was gone. So what do you do in the face of that adversity? Prisaka, no.
Speaker 3:You just keep dancing, you just keep dancing, and what happened was that, in addition to just keep dancing, you started to sing. So my definition now of resilience is if the music stops, if you're faced with a setback, you just have to keep dancing, and you have to even find a way to keep singing.
Speaker 3:So that is my definition and you have to even find a way to keep singing. So that is now my definition. It's amazing. Here at the start of this evening of our celebration event, we round of applause to Jen, sue Markham and the team, who have just literally blown ourselves up, haven't they everyone? Yeah, what we think, what we also love on the podcast is like top tips, top tips and takeaways.
Speaker 3:If you like and also things you can put on the side of a tote bag or a t-shirt. That's kind of what we always like. Sometimes they're very big t-shirts, kelly. What do you think are the ways that people can bring that resilience into their everyday lives?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a great question. So I was thinking about not quite as dramatic as Dan said, but I have fabulous grandad, okay, okay, and I learned a lot from him. And one of the things he used to say when life was hard because he'd lived through the war and he managed to shoot his hand when he was hunting, so he had this awfully crippled hand, but he's a very positive, upbeat person. When things were hard he used to say to us and those of you who are young might understand this measurement he used to say yard by yard is hard, inch by inch is a cinch.
Speaker 2:And that's always stayed in my mind and what somebody then later in life said to me one step at a time, you're trying to jump too far. Just take one step at a time. And I think resilience is built from those everyday things that you do to build yourself up. And when I'm mentoring some of the conversations that we have, it's like, okay, your goal's over here, but that looks really unachievable at the moment and it's really hard getting up every day and saying my goal's over there. If I get up today and say I'm going to take one step, what's that step that I'm going to do?
Speaker 3:it's kind of like inch by inch and for years and decades we talk about we're in're in Olympic year, aren't we? We talk about those great teams out there. They talk about the millimetres, don't they? It's the millimetres of kind of change that you can make, and I've kind of I've adopted that because I think you either pull those millimetres, and that's where that change, or that's where so you can be harder on ourselves, can't we have to be tougher, stronger, you know, shoulders back, crack on kind of thing. So I like that, inch by inch. It's a cinch, it's a cinch. There we go First. T-shirt of the evening. I think. Lauren, our lovely traveller, so many things, so many things. How important do you think it is to work on developing your resilience in order to be successful in anything in life?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean at the minute I'm applying for jobs, so obviously resilience is needed. I've got two people telling me that I wasn't successful today. So that is just a pure example. But that is just life, and I think that something I have kind of learned is I'm a big crier, I'm an emotional person, I love crying. I actually cried today, not because of the job days, but because I saw an old man crossing the street. That was so cute.
Speaker 1:I literally cry all the time and I think my whole life. I thought crying meant that I wasn't resilient, because we get told that if you're emotional and if you have an emotional reaction, then you're not.
Speaker 1:You know, you're not resilient enough enough you're not kind of working towards your goals, you're letting it get to you.
Speaker 1:But what I've realized is that for me I need that kind of emotional space to kind of get me through, and that is my like path to resilience. And so what I did this is a top tip maybe for some other people but I kind of set myself over a time limit or a specific space that I can go to, where I can just be a bit upset if something doesn't go the way I wanted it to go, or if that you know that each by each didn't quite go the way planned, and I'm like right, I'm gonna have a glass of wine, I'm gonna sit here, I'm gonna wallow for half an hour and then I'm gonna go and meet a friend for a coffee and we're gonna do something nice. And I think we often talk about resilience as being, you know, progressing forwards and forwards and forwards, and we don't think about those setbacks. And for me it was identifying how to deal with the setbacks that was like really important and that's kind of how I get through.
Speaker 3:So this is a room, a big room. Thank you Two losers out there today who said you know what, you know what shit you know we're not good enough for it. We're not good enough for it.
Speaker 1:What's the dream job? So before I was working as a policy and influence manager, so supporting non-profits to influence policy decisions in Manchester. So I'm looking to do something kind of similar supporting non-profits with their growth. I would absolutely love to be a CEO, of course, of course.
Speaker 1:I'm a small to medium organisation, I think especially being someone who looks like me, who's not traditionally seen in those CEO roles. That's something that I'm really aspiring to do. So, yeah, supporting small to medium nonprofits to grow and expand and, yeah, kind of create new business development opportunities.
Speaker 3:Details in the show notes, rebecca. What are some of the top tips that's easy for?
Speaker 3:me to say right isn the top tips and techniques. That's harder than itchy singe there, kerry. To be honest, what are your top tips? So I have my own system that I go to whenever I face a setback or disappointment, and it's five things and they all start with P. So let me show you now.
Speaker 3:So the first is I look at the purpose and the why of it. So Nelson Mandela said I never lose, I win or I learn. So you don't win or lose, you win or you learn. So what's the purpose? What is something that we can learn from the setback? So I always go there first, and then the second thing I do is I go to perspective. So when you know it's my husband's Royal Navy, but you know most of his career, he was an air ambulance helicopter pilot. So I would come home and tell him about my day and he'd tell me about individuals. He's picked up.
Speaker 3:So getting that perspective, so the purpose, the perspective, and then I go into problem solve. And it's on a scale for me and I have to do one of two things I either have to be persistent and I just need to dig deep and work harder, or I need to just pause and, to your point, take some time out, be extra kind to yourself, reflect and take stock, and it's always a bit of a tug of war between that persistence and that pause, and then the last thing that I do. The last P is people, and that encompasses everything. And I think, simone, that's what's so special about Modern Power. Women is the people, the network. There are going to be people in your network that you can talk to, that you can reach out to and say I need support. This is what's happened. I'm going to help, or can you please help me? So that's what I do with my five P's Purpose, perspective, assistance, pause and control.
Speaker 2:You're pretty certain. I counted six there, but that's okay, it's just my handwriting on here and obviously we're all going to rally around now, because it is about asking for help.
Speaker 3:Sometimes you don't do it, do you? You don't ask for help because you think I'll be okay, I'll figure it out, when actually there are so many people out there who want to help, who want to support. But is there actually? Is there a technique about asking? Because sometimes we're bouncing back from in our resilient manner with our purpose and our point. I've made poise, I've added poise in there as well.
Speaker 3:I'm just sort of thinking of dolphins, but that's no poise. But anyway, how do we better ask for help when we're bouncing back for things? Any top tips for that?
Speaker 2:Well, that was my next top tip, which is asking for help, and I think the sooner you learn that, the easier life is, and I think we perhaps set out on our journeys thinking that we have to know all the answers ourselves or find them all ourselves, and actually the answers are all out there.
Speaker 2:We just have to find people that have got them, that can help us, and I spent a lot of time in my career not asking for help and getting stuck and perhaps moving on from opportunities rather than taking a pause, reaching out and speaking to people, and I think there's a certain type of person who works in financial services, for instance, with quite perfectionist, introvert partners don't want to reach out, don't want to speak up. It's really important, and I think from a personal perspective, having that network, having people around you. If you're having a bad day, what's better than going into the office, finding your name or Adele and saying and straight away you feel better, whereas what we find is people stay at home and stay in their little corner and go oh, I'm having a bad day or just stay at home Actually go out and talk to people and ask for help, and it's amazing where it comes from.
Speaker 2:It's almost magical that asking for help it's the thing that I always say to people when they're struggling is who can help? Who can we talk to?
Speaker 3:And it's free right.
Speaker 1:Yes, and do you know what?
Speaker 2:99% of people help.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was going to say I think a key thing just to draw on that is, if you've made genuine connections with people, then you don't feel bad asking for help because you know if they reached out and asked you you would help them obviously. So it's kind of putting yourself in the perspective of OK, if somebody came to me and asked that, then what would I do? And if you ever feel a bit embarrassed about it, just try and think about if somebody approached you you wouldn't think, oh, that's a bit embarrassing, you'd just kind of help them.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I think it comes back to you know events like this, making genuine connections, and you talk about the kind of 3-3-3. Yeah, and I think it's more than just like ticking the boxes of, okay, I need to meet three people. It's like how can we take things from this and actually meet someone that I want to go and have a coffee with and meet at another event and be like, oh, it's good to see you again. You know that sort of thing, and then you feel good reaching out for help.
Speaker 3:And the three by three. For those of you listening or watching this, we sort of set the challenges. You know, talk to three people that you haven't met or had a conversation. You know. You don't know, take three things away, and it could be the simple things like oh my God, those canapes were actually amazing. How fancy does that sound? Sorry? That's a very little pass and actually, but then tomorrow tell someone about it, you know tell someone about what you've learned and.
Speaker 2:I was talking to someone the other week and he particularly said that.
Speaker 3:You know he was almost a bit embarrassed about saying, oh, I've been to another dinner or I've been there, or because it all feels a bit showy and I was like, I feel a bit like that sometimes um, and it's like actually no, we want to know what you've been doing. We want to know because actually we're quite proud of what you're doing and what you're part of, and that's all part of actually kind of sharing on. You know sort of that, that knowledge influence. Now you're a sharer, aren't you?
Speaker 1:because you've got tell us about your blog, laurie oh gosh, that's exciting, um yeah, so I've got a blog and it's called the Boring 20s, because I'm in my 20s, although I'm 29 now, so I don't really know how old I am.
Speaker 1:Still a little bit Now I'm 30, and it's all about what life's like being in your 20s, because it's a really odd but fun and exciting time of life where you don't really know what you're doing. Some people are buying houses, people are getting married, people are having babies. I've been away for six months and all those three things have happened with all my friends, people are going to travel for six months and just be like see ya.
Speaker 1:So you know it's a really interesting time in life, so I write all about that and kind of one of the key themes that runs throughout is resilience. I lost my job during COVID, like so many people, and it was a really really difficult time to be applying for roles, especially in the voluntary sector, because there's just like no resources, and so I tried to kind of use my own experiences to kind of put out there that you're not alone and it's okay, and I try and find the humour in things to try and bring back to it doesn't matter if the person next to you has just bought a house, everyone's doing their own thing thing and that's okay. So, yeah, that's what my blog's about. So, if you're interested, gosh, I feel like this is just me promoting myself.
Speaker 1:But if you're interested, you can read my blog, but no, I am going to be updating travel stuff as well. So if you just want to know more about that, that would be good as well.
Speaker 3:What was the highlight of your?
Speaker 1:travels Probably, I should say something like all the cultures and people, but it's probably the wine in Argentina.
Speaker 3:Winning winning on so many different levels there, Rebecca, you have got even though it doesn't look like it, you know you're in your 20s also or 20, I'm not going to say 20 years of experience trusting. What are some of those lessons you've learned along the way? When things maybe, you know, haven't gone the way, you had to really bring that resilience out, that superpower, superpower. So I love that you used that word lesson. And I think, when I take a step back in my life and I often talk to my 70-year-old self in the future and ask her for advice, and when I'm looking you know talking to myself now and in the future, I recognize that this whole life is a journey and a lesson. And one of my favorite subjects in school was maths, right. So maybe go through this example with me with your favorite subject, whether it's art or language or history or whatever, so maths. And if we always were doing easy maths, right. So if I was always just doing addition, I'd be very good at getting 100% on those tests. But as I progressed through maths and those lessons and doing calculus and options and algebra, I was never getting 100%, I was getting maybe 80%, and when you take a step back, and you go
Speaker 3:actually, life is a journey, life is a lesson. Why would we expect to use the word perfect earlier, like we put a lot of pressure on ourselves? Actually, if you're getting 80% in something that is that is incredible. And actually, what can you learn from that 20%? And it's actually good because it means that there's still stuff out there to learn about yourself and a continuous journey, a work in progress.
Speaker 3:So I always use that reference and I think a lot of the times it's really hard to think that you should be getting 100% in life. You just shouldn't, because then it's just boring. You're just doing addition. So you actually want to be challenging yourself, you want those bumps along the way, you want those lessons, and if you embrace it that way, that's how you get more resilience, because you're looking out for it. You're expecting to get 80%. If you have a day where you get 90% or 100%, you should celebrate. And if you get a day where you get 0% or 10% and you don't even show up for the test, that's fine too. It doesn't mean you don't know maths, right, you're still doing alright.
Speaker 3:So that's how I another tool that I use in perspective, and we have one of- our favourite podcasts within the team is um, remind me, and she talked about progress, not perfection, and we talk about that a lot. You were not paying attention, we're making a sign.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm not my team would never tell me they were social media.
Speaker 3:But she talks about progress, not perfection, and, seeing as we've got a podcast here, that's another P where we're talking about, there's another P in there. You just talked about progress, but I think sometimes we put ourselves under so much pressure around perfection. We did a webinar a few weeks ago, available on demand, um, and we saw what imposter syndrome and then I must have been halfway through.
Speaker 2:I'm like you know what? Why are we giving?
Speaker 3:things labels. It's almost making ourselves why do we have to be too perfect? Where do we have to be this? Why do we have to have that label? And I think that progress not perfection, I think sits through everyone. Let's be kind to ourselves. Let's not expect we're not going to ace every test. Sometimes we're 100% winging it aren't we, you know so what are your top two, so you're, how do you, how have you winged it?
Speaker 1:oh gosh, I could be all day. No, I think. Sometimes when you're put into a situation or so for me, for example, I'm youngish, mixed race, female, still 20, though still 20. Still in the 20s, still clinging on, and when I go into spaces. So, for example, I'm a trustee of the Greater Kingston Heirs' Charity and the first board meeting I went to I had absolutely no idea what to expect. I didn't know what a trustee meeting was really. I just had a really big background in homelessness. That's why they invited me along and I just sat there and there was all these big CEOs and business people and they were all talking and they said they said AGM, and they said another one can't remember what it was now and I didn't have a clue what it meant and something in business. There's some business to have any idea what's going on.
Speaker 1:And I just remember yeah, this all sounds really nice. Then at the end of the meeting they were like you were quite quiet. I was like, yeah, I didn't really know what was going on. To be quite honest, we couldn't tell it was. You know, in the face you look like you knew what was going on. So I think I've learned from that experience is that it's okay sometimes you are going to be in positions where you feel overwhelmed, you feel like you don't deserve to be there, and it's okay to either ask for help or just put your hand up and be like I'm lost, don't know what's going on here is it okay if we just go back to you know the basics, because I don't know
Speaker 1:what's happening, and I think it's really important that if you're in a room and you notice that there's somebody in there who maybe feels a little bit uncomfortable or isn't traditionally in those spaces, if you could be an ally in making sure that they're part of the conversation and ask them, because if that person in the room would have asked me halfway through the meeting, I would have said I don't know what's going on, but because they didn't ask me till the end, I then lost that whole meeting worth of you know, valuable input that I could give.
Speaker 1:So I think it's a two-way thing. We're always going to be in rooms and in meetings that we feel overwhelmed in, and so put yourself in that other person's perspective when you're in the influential position and I think that's what I really try and do through work is whenever I'm in rooms with non-profits or people with different types of lived experience is making sure that everyone contributes and you can kind of listen to everyone's perspectives. Otherwise we're never going to progress and we're never going to change the way of things and everything's always going to look the same.
Speaker 3:I don't know if that answers the question but well, you'll be answering it in your next CEO job, let's face it, Kerry, you come from a male-dominated industry and you know this community has always been about all genders and it's always about collecting the role models and the good guys. What did you learn along the way about resilience and sort of probably some of the situations that Lauren's been in? You've been at that table you like, but it's a very kind of heavy sort of situation. How did you use your own personal super resilient powers?
Speaker 2:yeah, that's an interesting one. So we certainly didn't have conversations like this. So I think when you asked me this question last week, I was reflecting on the same. I think I kept quiet a lot of the time, so I think think there was a lot of being in a room where you couldn't understand something and not feeling like you were saying what was going on. I think what I've learnt as well from our new male allies which is really helpful is that a lot of men feel like that as well, and I didn't know that at the time.
Speaker 2:so I thought it was a female-specific experience, but it wasn't. It was somebody that wasn't comfortable in that room and didn't feel able to speak up. So the inclusion or the exclusiveness wasn't just happening to me, it was happening to other people. So I think I've learned to be very self-reliant. I think I've learned to ignore a lot of things, which is actually quite useful.
Speaker 3:But also it does stop people that are selected.
Speaker 2:deafness yeah I do a lot of that. But actually, when you challenge yourself, how could you think? Well, I ignored things that maybe I shouldn't have ignored as they directly impacted me, not when they impacted others, but there wasn't really a community to band together with, so it was a little bit like sink or swim, um. So what did I learn? I think I learned to put up and shut up for a long time and not to ask for help, um, and it's interesting now to see the progress that we're making and it's really refreshing to be able to have these conversations and to kind of break that down. So I'm sure that does happen in some environments still, but I talk to a lot of friends, colleagues, young people and I think that environment is breaking down. I think there is still work to do. But, yeah, I learned to be quiet and I learned to put up with a lot of things, but maybe in retrospect I shouldn't have done it.
Speaker 3:But that's what you can pass on, isn't it? You're an active mentor. That's what you pass on, isn't it? And don't do that. Don't do what I it doesn't serve you.
Speaker 2:So what I learned was it didn't serve me. And to move forward, and to build your career, and to build the impact and influence that you want you do have to speak out and you have to challenge.
Speaker 3:And I know, rebecca, recently you hosted an event in Leeds which was coming to the conversation around allyship and advocacy, which obviously there's lots of conversation around. This is a community which I'm always very proud of, of people that actually it is deeds not words. You know there's a statue outside this very building of Emmeline Pankhurst. Can you explain, macho?
Speaker 2:And there is a challenge because you're going to have to do it in about a minute.
Speaker 3:I just need to state though we have patent this Because it's brilliant. Thank you. So I work in a very male dominated environment and I realised that we need actually an instruction manual to give to our male allies, and we actually need to give them some instructions. So they've got five things that they can do. First, they spell the word mocha.
Speaker 1:Now they actually.
Speaker 3:And with the A and the O they spell macho, so it stands for meaningful mentor. So are you a mentor to females? And this is hard on the parallel, so hopefully it's your mentor. A is amplify your awareness, so understand what it feels like to be the only female in the room. Understand it to be more inclusive in conversations. And then C is capture the confidence. And Foster Seymour's right. So how can men actually support women and actually capture that confidence that we all have?
Speaker 3:H is harmony with home, so I do not use the term work-life balance. I have one son who's now 18, and when he was little got into a whole bunch of trouble with my mental health because I was trying to do work-life balance, so I now call it work-life harmony. So how can you be harmony with home? And then O is the most important one, where it's orchestrate opportunities. How can you actually orchestrate those opportunities for everybody in your team? And it all comes together in this framework and it might feel like we are trying to move a mountain to David and I, but there's more 4250 CEOs today called John who are women. Emily would not be happy with that stat, but what I'm trying to do with me defining that show is actually give each man a pebble and just move it one step or two and actually use this framework to have better diversity and equity in our culture.
Speaker 1:So thank, you for letting me talk about that.
Speaker 3:We always want things to be practical. We always want things to be things that you can take away, Also doing your vibe as well, isn't it?
Speaker 2:How can I put this into practice? So okay, challenge right.
Speaker 3:One top tip takeaway that this amazing room and our phenomenal listeners out there of the award-winning we are podcast can take away. So, whether you're bouncing back, whether you're kind of wanting to make that shift or change, what can you do, lauren?
Speaker 1:one thing that someone can take away from this pod today I think for me it's going back to what I said before around acknowledging if you're the type of person who just needs to take a moment, realise what your pause is I like the pause and how you then can build back from that. You're taking the time to pause. Whether it by taking the time to pause, whether it be to be around friends, whether it be to read a book, you need to figure out what that is for you and personally and then make sure you take time to do it Rebecca.
Speaker 3:Okay, mine is choose the path that you are on. So I was born here in the, moved over to Canada and we chose and we made the decision to move back eight years ago and I often think that in life you can choose either a straight road that's really quite easy, or you can choose a much more interesting road that might have some bumps and potholes and twists and turns. But if you choose that road and you're aware you've obviously chosen that road, but always go, do the straight road. But to choose the path that you're aware you've obviously chosen that road, but always go, do the straight road. But to choose the path that you're on because that's your life. You only get one life.
Speaker 2:So it's not a hassle. I'm also exactly.
Speaker 3:You do the two-for-one, I do the two-for-one because I want to go back to where I started, which is always keep dancing and when the music stops, dancing and then start singing.
Speaker 2:There and then start singing. Do you carry it? Yeah, exactly, I don't carry it. Minds of People here is now, so it links to your people and it's about something I've lived for 20 years to learn. It's really simple Ask for what you need and always do it, just ask.
Speaker 3:Simple. It's always about the simple things. Sometimes we can beat ourselves up, can't we, to think that it's got to be something big, bold, audacious, when actually it's not. It's the small things. It's the small things that we can add up. I want to say a massive, massive, massive thank you to our purposeful, perfect, perspective-led pausing.
Speaker 2:I'm really stubborn to get off this A massive, massive round of applause to our panel.
Speaker 3:I can fly an audience every time. I'm loving this. It's great. I just want to say thank you all of you for joining us today. Thank you so much to my panel. You'll be able to catch up on some of those top tips, highlights, takeaways in the show notes. If anyone has a job for our fantastic Lauren okay, no mediocre nonsense here.
Speaker 3:It's got to be great, but massive thanks. So much to take away. I want to thank all of you, thank Thank all of our listeners out there. Thank you. Please keep the conversation going. This is not about just keeping things on the pod or in one room. Please join us in all of our social medias on wearepowernet and NPWAwards. Please keep the conversation going. My name is Simone. This is the we Are Power podcast and what goes on media Production. Please keep the conversation going. My name is Simone. This is the we Are Power podcast. To walk us on media production.
