23 He Gets Us

This week we talk about the He Gets Us campaign and a Florida anit-anti-discrimination bill.

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• Lausanne Covenant site
• Wikipedia: Lausanne Covenant

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humanistic on the world episode 23. He gets us. What the hell? Welcome to the episode of humanistic on the world. I'm Dustin and joining me is Lauren. Oh right, so yeah, sorry about it taking a while to get to this. There's some of the family health stuff has definitely been making a little harder to do the show. Well, yeah, I'm tired all the time. Yeah, and so yeah, so okay, we're here now. Yep, we are. And yeah, hopefully, you know, roughly once a month or twice a month is good for everybody promises. But one problem with going, you know, taking so long is it's a little less relevant right now. But I really want to talk about all this stuff from the he gets us campaign. Yeah, anybody who any of the US who was watching the Super Bowl and was actually paying attention. Oh yeah. It wasn't. But apparently everybody else knows these the Jesus commercials. There was what? Five or six of them. Yeah, plus they've been all over YouTube and Reddit, Reddit. And some of these actually started early last year in case you missed them. The basic idea is, you know, showing people in very modern situations, refugees, political, political protests, political protests, and divisiveness, and the rebel and like a bunch of other bullshit stuff and saying, oh, the sad state of affairs that we are in now. But then saying that, you know, he gets us trying to talk about Jesus, make all that stuff about Jesus. Let's try to make it relevant, right? Jesus would totally be relevant in the modern day at age when not true. But okay, sure, I can see what they're trying to do here. When, okay, if you you actually look at the stuff, so okay, the refugee one, if you believe the Matthew version of Jesus's birth story, not the Luke version, right? Because there's multiples, there's multiple ones. So yeah, so the Matthew version, they fled Jerusalem and went to Egypt for two years, which would make him a refugee, except that was all before he was five. And then he just went back home to the town where he lived. So yeah, no, he doesn't have experience with that. I mean, not really. I mean, yeah, I mean, a two year old refugee is still a refugee, though. Yes. But as far as understanding what it's like, when you're that young, you don't really understand anything shoes. The political stuff, the protests, you know, okay, if you look at the Jesus story, heck, even flip the tables at the temple. We definitely need to bring back table flipping, by the way. Yeah, flipping the tables of the money grabbing greedy assholes. Yeah, but it's the whole thing with it is just weird. Well, I mean, the whole concept is very forced. Trying to make Jesus relevant to the for the modern age, it's why you can't do it, because it's just doesn't, it just doesn't work. There is, but the reason why is pretty obvious. Millennials and Gen Z. They're not going to church. Don't go to church in any meaningful rates. And attendance has really, really, really, really dropped since the start of the pandemic, especially considering how many churches went full on QAnon. Yeah, but this is the same old same old. This is churches have been doing this for hundreds of years, trying to stay relevant to the population so that people will go to church to make them care. It is a enough to go. And it's just it's been landing flat for hundreds and hundreds of years, actually trying to make the church relevant. That's a pretty relatively new concept from the second grade awakening. So, okay, not hundreds and hundred years before that, if you were not going to church, you might get burned at the stake or thrown into jail. Like, that's how they handled it back in the old days, if anybody even cared, which for the most part, they didn't, except for the Spanish Inquisition. Because nobody expects to. Yeah, yeah, we got that. Because in that case, they were trying to take care of having a country full of Muslims and Jews and make them all Christian. Right. So that's a whole other issue. Yes. So he gets us. Oh, it was actually only two ads during the Super Bowl. Oh, okay. And how I missed it, because I was not paying attention. But is he eating? That was all a part of a one hundred million dollar media spend. I love it. I love it when church is spend that much money on pointless junk. It's like, all right, you just keep flesh in your money away. I don't care. One of the biggest backers, the only one who has is not secret is David Green from Hobby Lobby. Hobby Lobby known for putting Bible quotes on their stuff and. Anti birth control and. Anti birth control. Oh, and what was it? Oh, what was that law that they put tons of money into passing the Utah anti homosexuality? What was that? No, or was it California? Propate. Propate. Yeah. Yeah, they're just Oh, in the museum, the Bible Museum with all the artifacts that they've been illegally smuggling. God, a bunch of counterfeits and the rest are basically illegal. Yeah. So he is the only backer who has actually been public about that brave enough or dumb enough to admit to being a part of it. It was on Glenn Beck show in November 2022. Yeah, okay. So dumb enough. If you're trying to make this seem like it's relevant to young Americans, don't talk about it with Glenn Beck, right? The average age of listener for Glenn Beck is probably what? 75? Yeah. Yeah, not exactly hit the youth there. That's not the point, you know, that's not really what it's all about. The funding for this and actually the entire he gets us campaign was a project of either the servant foundation, if you want to go with the name that their spokespeople have been using in the media, or the signatory, if you want the actual organization. Oh, why would they use different names like a shell company shell organization? It's worse than that, which the signatory. Oh, and part of how I found this was the news article on CNN talked about the servant fund or servant foundation. And then I did a search for the servant foundation and found the website of the servant foundation, which had a note on its website saying, we are not behind the he gets us campaign. That is the signatory completely unrelated. So people went on and mentioned the one name because they were actually misquoting. No, wrong information. No, this was an intentionally trying to make it less obvious who it was. So they're lying. They're using a DBA name in some state without even bothering to get the web presence to cover it to make it a little bit less obvious that it's the signatory that's behind it. So, okay, is the signal. So, okay, so why though? Because they're best known for a donor campaigns, they do to raise money for the Alliance Defending Freedom, which the Alliance Defending Freedom is the one who will file lawsuits for anybody who wants to do prayers at schools. Okay. Like the old Bremerton coach. Okay. They're the ones who back a lot of really bad laws. Okay. So that's the signature. The signatory. The signatory. So they put a bunch of money into this camp. This he gets this Jesus campaign puts up a website says, Oh, it was not us. No, doing it under a different name. No, the the servant foundation foundation. There is another servant foundation. Okay, that's that actually has the website. And they kept on getting contacted about this campaign they're running, which they aren't. That wasn't us. That was this group, this fake, this different servant foundation that's run by this other foundation. Got it caught up. It's a shell game. I would be mad. Wow. You know, you have someplace, something called the servant foundation. You make a website, you have this whole thing going and then somebody coops that your name and does this. I would I would be suing or something. I bet they are probably trying. One Christian foundation suing another Christian foundation is not a thing that happens that often. Yeah, until you get media banging down your door, trying to get ahold of you. Now, I wouldn't be surprised if the servant foundation has the actual servant foundation has asked the signatory for some money to help cover their web hosting. There you go. Boosted traffic, that's for sure. Now, the signatory itself is very confusing to figure out what it really is because it's a donor advised fund sponsor. I don't even know. Those are English words, but when you put them together in that order, I don't know what that means. They make it very, also make it very clear that they do not meddle in the activities of the organizations that they sponsor. They're very proud of the fact that they don't meddle in the internal workings of any of the ministries that they sponsor. In the 22 years that the signatory has existed, they've given out over $4 billion in grants. That's impressive. They have a 68% lifetime grant flow-through rate, which would mean a 32% overhead cost. Somewhere in the ballpark of $6 billion in gross revenue over 22 years, it's a lot of money supporting evangelical causes. The donor advised fund sponsor part is a little confusing. I think it's intentionally confusing. The ministries can set up a fund. Donors get to pick what they support. The way it's all worded on their site, it really sounds to me like the donors are not going to be meddling in what they're supporting. It's literally just distributing funds. They're the financial pass-through, the financial middleman, largely for rich Christians who want a little bitch. They want to be able to say where they want their money to go without it being traceable on papers to where their money's going. Yeah, well, there we go. No shock there. A bunch of Christians who want to support the Alliance Defending Freedom, who do not want to be actually directly linkable to the Alliance Defending Freedom, can do that through them. That's a big part of what this exists for. He gets us- politicians love it. Oh, yeah. He appears to be something different where the signatory created the hit he gets us campaign and is fully funding it through donors like David Green. They claim that they have no involvement in the working of the campaign. Okay, so they're bankrolling it, but have nothing to do with it. They set it up and supposedly they set it up. There was a team of creative people who wanted to make some videos. So they wrote a blank check and they wrote a check for a hundred billion dollars. That's so much money. Wait, 100 billion? That does not sound right. 100 million is what you said before. 100 million dollars. You need to hold your pinky up to your mouth. You want a million dollars? However, I have also seen the number of two billion that this will be getting for the entire campaign. The he gets us website makes it very clear that they are completely independent, that they are not left or right. They're not part of a political organization, or they are not a political organization, and they're not affiliated with any church or denomination. Good old-fashioned evangelicalism that just is. They just are. Okay, they just are. They just exist to spread the news about Jesus to people who know enough already. Right. Okay. It's not like Americans don't know about Jesus. Realistically, this is the perfect the perfect campaign. You create a thing that will get rich church members to give you money, because you're going to reach all of these unchurched people. Now, unchurched is often a word used for stuff like that, which literally just means anybody who isn't going to church. Yeah. You can craft the message to the donors that you're going to be reaching people who have never heard about Jesus before, where you're going to get all the unbelievers when all you're really promising is to net a particular amount of unchurched people, which this year is a very easy thing to do, and generally is pretty easy to do when you find people who get tired of the pastor at their evangelical church, and they stop going to church, and then something like this comes up, and it prompts them to try a different church. But will it probably the idea? It will probably get some backslidden evangelicals to go back to church. You know, the particular population I'm thinking about now is in their 50s and 60s. Okay. Fair enough. 50s, 60s, and 70s. But that was standard through the 80s and 90s. It was every evangelistic series was supposedly to get the convert non-Christians. In practicality, it was getting people who stopped going to church. Then I'm back and start paying their tithing again. And in particular, it was getting people who had stopped going to church in the last six months to three years. These weren't people who were no longer Christian. They were just Christians who stopped going to their particular church. Yeah, that sounds much more realistic. That's what anything like this has ever really worked been successful at. The number of genuinely not Christian people that they can get has always been very, very small. Yeah. It is funny that they made a point of saying that they're apolitical, neither left nor right. So apparently, that's caused a bit of a problem in the past recent weeks, is that the hardcore conservatives who saw these ads were like, well, that's not my Jesus. This is too woke. This is woke Jesus. Yep. So they've had to like backslide their campaign. The woke Jesus. Try to win those guys back over. The woke Jesus from David Green and the people who fund the Alliance Defending Jesus. Yeah. Politically, right leaning campaign designed to be to attempt. It is an attempt to be appealing to liberals. Yeah. Liberals were like, no, thanks. And the right wingers were like, Oh, whoa, wait a second. That's too, that's too liberal for us. And they're stuck with this campaign that realistically just pissed off everyone and reached no one. Yeah. So good job, guys. Way to flush that money down the toilet. Now, if you've read a news article about it, you will, because if you go to their website, you're not going to find it, their main website, you will find reference to the Lucean covenant. Right. Now, I, Lauren saw that and wanted me to look into it. And I tried looking into it and that got into this huge rabbit trail. The links are in the show notes. I think it was New York Times. CNN also referenced it. No, maybe it was CNN. It was CNN made somebody, somebody made a reference to it. They didn't mention Hobby Lobby, but they did mention this other group saying, they're not associated with any church, but they do follow these covenants. And I'm like, interesting, I've never heard of these covenants. So I looked at the Wikipedia page and I'm like, this is, this is literally a nothing. There's like no information there. Yeah. So I'm like, Dustin, what is this? He's like, I've never heard of it. So he looked into it. So if you go to the he gets us.com website, you will find no mention of it. It is, it is a website that is basically denying any association with anybody other than Jesus. Which I mean, that's not sketchy at all. Jesus. If you go to he gets us partners.com, that's where you get how churches can join and get members out of this. Ah, there we go. Okay. And they have their whole story and you know, they're not trying to rebrand Jesus. Even though they are, but they're just, they're just focused on sharing Jesus's openness to people that others might have excluded. Yeah. I mean, that's actually a good call out to most modern day Christians, right? You guys have excluded a lot of people that would probably be going to your churches if you weren't being such dicks about it. Then you get to the very bottom of their about page, our beliefs. And I'm going to cover the last paragraph of the two paragraphs first. First, he gets us as an initiative of servant foundation, a designated 501c3 organization with a 100 out of 100 charity navigator rating, which again, but not the one that you were going to Google. If you Google servant foundation, and you look for the servant foundation's website, you will find not affiliated with he gets us misdirected, which means, yeah, there is a 501c3 organization created specifically to be a shell company to distance themselves from the alliance defending freedom and other lobbying groups. Yeah, Christian right, right wing Christian nationalist lobbying groups. But so our beliefs, he gets us as chosen not to have our own separate statement of beliefs, each participating church slash ministry will typically have its own language, which is a good way to not exclude anybody on accident. Meanwhile, we generally recognize the loose and covenant as reflected as reflective of the spirit and intent of this movement and churches that partner with explorers from he gets us a firm, the loose and covenant. Very strangely worded. That was not grammatically correct. No, churches that partner with explorers from he gets us. What? Explain. A firm the loose and covenant. Okay. Okay, explorers from, oh, wow, it's just like, yeah, way to jumble up those words. Anyway, but the. To which to me sounds also like it is that was intentionally an intentional grammatical error to be even more wishy washy. Yeah. And for greater obfuscation, which the whole thing, when you try to look into what's behind this, they've done everything they can to obscure who's behind it. Because that's what you do when you don't have nothing to hide. So yeah, so the loose and covenant. It was a July, 1974 religious manifesto. By the way, if the word manifesto is in it, it doesn't end well for anybody. Except for the humanist manifesto. They should not have called it a manifesto. I'm sorry. All I imagine is feces or blood riding on the wall of some crazy person's basement. Okay. Okay, Ted Krugacinski really, really messed up. The word manifesto. I know. It's just got this colloquial 17 minutes. It was fine until the Oklahoma City bombing. Yeah. It hasn't aged well. It has not aged well. Anyway, yes. Okay. So it was a conference in Lausanne, Switzerland. That sounds nice. Where 2300 evangelicals from all over the world, at least 150 countries. Well, they use the word nations. 150 nations, which that is carefully selected language. That's the difference for the country and a nation. It depends on how you define each. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Technically, a nation is a group of people. A country is a region of land. Okay. Nation's really simple, but nation states are what most quote unquote countries or nations are. Okay. But even within the US, we have tribal nations. We've got other things that we would. Okay. Yeah. Got it. It's a way to boost your numbers. So saying more than 150 nations, which that's a way to make it sound like somebody from every UN member state was present when that's not what they not the case at all. If you had somebody from England, someone from Scotland, somebody from Wales, somebody from Northern Ireland, somebody from the island of man, there's five nations represented. Got it. If you've got somebody from the Cherokee nation and the Hopi nation and the United States and the Sioux nation, there's four nations. That's an intentional usage of a vague word to make the number look more important. Okay. Prorogative. Yes. I've read the covenant. It's land. And okay. So Eric, the conference was organized and directed by Billy Graham. Oh, that's right. Billy Graham. I haven't heard that one thrown out in a while. And the covenant was written by a committee chaired by John Stott. That one I'm not familiar with. I am. I have read at least one of his books. He was a British theologian who was an evangelical who advocated for staying in the Church of England. He was the main leader of evangelicals within the Church of England. Because evangelicalism is a concept of the second great awakening in the United States. Yeah, that's not seen in the Church of England. 1820s US, it grew slowly, very slowly through the 1800s. It continued to grow slowly through the first half of the 1900s. It wasn't until about the 1970s that it really started to grow within any Christian churches. And evangelicalism has never been a church. No, it's more just a type of religiosity. Are you spreading the word or are you not? Are you born into the word? Are you? Well, so, okay, to be a adherent to the Lucent covenant, for one, you can't be Calvinist. You have to believe that you can choose to be a Christian. That is actually a large part of what evangelicals were trying to push that the evangelical movement was the opposite of, is, and most Baptist churches over the last 150 years switched from Reformed theology or Calvinism or Determinism to Free Will Theology. If you look at Baptist prior to 1800, they are 100% deterministic. By 1950, 90% of Baptists are Free Will. That is something that I just finally wrapped my head around last week. Oh, okay. It had been bothering me for a while. When did Baptists become Free Will? Okay, it was before my lifetime, but still, as somebody with a minor, major in theology and minor in history, that's kind of important. That was a thing that I didn't learn, and a particular gap in my knowledge. There are still Baptists who are deterministic. Most of those are Reformed Baptists or various other types of Baptists, because there's like 20 different types of Baptists. Southern Baptists and independent Baptists are virtually all Free Will. That is the vast majority of Baptists you'll find around the US or probably elsewhere in the world. They're the evangelicals. The Methodist Church just had a schism where the evangelical half of the Methodist Church split from the not evangelical rest of the Church. The impetus for that split was overordaining married gay clergy. The more liberal Methodists didn't have any problem with it. The evangelicals all did. And that environment is the difference between the liberal Methodists and the conservative Methodists. Yeah, I mean, that's a line that everybody pretty much is familiar with. Conservative and evangelical are synonymous at this point. The Episcopal Church in the United States and to a lesser point, the Anglican Church around the world, but not really in England, went through a schism about 20 years ago over the same issue. The conservative evangelical members of the Church were not comfortable with gay bishops and split the Church over it. So that's so funny because the idea of spreading the word of your religion to convert. Why is that tied so closely with what we have come to conclude is the more conservative stance of being anti-homosexual, um, tending towards misogynistic and overall more liberal? Why did those two, why did that pair up when it seems to me like the idea of being an evangelical has nothing to do with whether or not you who doesn't matter who you sleep with, but you can't be like you cannot be a gay person who goes out and spreads the word because you'll be driven out of your house and home in church. It's just odd to me that this line has developed. This was something that got a lot of study in the 70s and 80s to find, you know, continues to get some study less so now, but it was looking into what churches are growing and what churches are dying and what they found was the churches where it's easy aren't doing well. The churches that are hard are gaining members. That's what she said. Sorry. There was a particular point in the 90s where late 90s, early 2000s, where there were only three denominations that were growing in the United States. They were going to be the more conservative, the more. It was Seventh-day Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Mormons. Okay. The ones who were dying the fastest were the most liberal. Because those people decided to stop going to church altogether. Yep. Okay. And if you are like we've already discussed, if you are trying to recruit members using evangelistic methods, the basic cell is you are a sinner, you will burn in hell or in the Adventist version. That part of the cell doesn't quite work in the Adventist church. It's going to get really, really bad. It has nothing to do with you personally, but it's just things are going to get really bad. And we have the solution for that. And if you are okay with everything that is accepted by the general society, then there is nothing you can call out as sin. Oh, okay. Yeah. You can't tell people they're broken and that you have the fix if they generally are okay with the broken parts. Yep. Yes, prohibition, sorry. With prohibition, the prohibition movement prior to actual prohibition, a large effort for for the people called out as sinners by evangelists would have been drunkards. I'm sure they kept up with that during prohibition as well, because alcohol sales did not go down. Yeah. But they'll pick whatever is the thing that they can get away with picking. Whatever the current fashionable sin is. And right now that trans is so hot right now. Yeah. Yeah, okay. Okay, so that was quite the rabbit trail into evangelicalism, which is awesome. Um, well, evangelicalism actually sucks, but the loose, loose and covenant is viewed as the defining thing of evangelicalism, at least by everybody who has accepted the loose and covenant. At least anybody's ever heard of it to be even knows what it is. And it's, it's basically it starts with repenting for not working with other Christians to spread Jesus's message and pledging that you'll do better. Okay, so they're trying to, I guess, unify for the cause. Yeah. Yeah, okay. I can see that. Trying to unify all evangelicals throughout all the different churches, to all work to spread God's word, so that eventually everybody will hear the message. Because according to some religions, it doesn't matter whether or not you convert as long as you have heard. Yeah, you can choose not to convert, but as long as you've heard the message, that clears away for the second coming. That's, that's the only goal. Yeah. There you go. Superbowl ad just covered a bunch. People who've already heard about it. But anyway, it was an interesting rabbit trail. Oh, yeah. I'm sure I am. How much of that did you get from the Wikipedia page versus like the, the the Wikipedia page is four paragraphs. I mean, it was like, it was weak. I got virtually none of this from the media page. That has been watched. I don't know how many people have edited that thing, but anybody who has put like, there's, there's no, there's no information. And that to me is so suspicious. Like I saw that and I was like, wait, there's this whole like religious movement. And it's, there's like a holy couple paragraphs about it. This has been edited. Okay. So it got a lot of edits. March 24, 2022 and June 15, 2022, which would have been around the time that they were starting. The he gets us campaign initially. And this is why you need to check your sources and not use Wikipedia. Well, well, at least not exclusively exclusively. Yeah. It's just, I thought that was like, huh, this is suspiciously blank. I'm going to give this to Dustin. Yeah. Hey, give him research. All right. And we have one news story that I'm wanting to cover today. Okay. There was another news story that I saw that will bring back a topic that I've tried to record a couple times now, but that is still to come. As we all know, state legislative bills are terrible. Yeah, they are. They are horrible. There's just a mess. It's fun to watch. They are the test tube of democracy. And fortunately, most of them get dumped down the drain. Yeah. Yeah, I'm really hoping this bill from Florida State Representative Alex Andrade building off of a suggestion from Governor Ron DeSantis would make it so that you can sue journalists publications or social media users for defamation. If they say that you discriminated against somebody or said something discriminatory, when you did that because of sincerely held religious beliefs. Oh boy. So if you just discriminate based on sincerely held religious beliefs, which you can basically say about anything, then you can sue or get sued. Sorry. Because I mean, what discriminatory things are not tied to religion in some way? Basically, half of the episodes I have ever recorded would be grounds for lawsuits in Florida if this were to pass, which is the point, right? I mean, half they would lose their politicians. They would lose everything. It's not just journalist bloggers and whatnot. They would lose everybody because everybody posts every thought that they have on Twitter. Now, here is the unfortunate thing. If you produce stuff on the internet, it is available everywhere, and you can be sued anywhere it's available in state court. So there is nothing to say. So any blogger, podcaster, social media account, social media account holder, and definitely the actual journalistic organizations could be sued in Florida state court. Anywhere, no matter where they are. And having to respond to that, if you don't have a organization with a large liability policy is impossible. So it sounds to me like Florida would rack up tons of lawsuits. And then let's say somebody who's us in Florida, and we would just respond saying no. How many years would it take for them to actually get through that list of all the people that they've just sued to actually go after people? They would never do it. They would never be able to get through it. I'm sure the Alliance Defending Freedom would help them out with a lot of those cases. Maybe and keep working them. Probably the point, though, is this is the religious slap law. Yes, it's not about the actual lawsuits. It's about threatening the slap suit to demure people and keep them from saying nasty things about the scientists. It's literally you set up a law that makes it so that somebody can threaten to sue. So instead of us actually getting sued, we would get a letter from a lawyer saying, you must take down this episode, or you must end your podcast, or we will sue. If I were given the choice between deleting the podcast and having to respond to a lawsuit in Florida, there is no real question there. Financially, there's no way I could handle a cross-country. Well, there's no way we could handle a lawsuit. It couldn't handle a lawsuit anywhere. Now, fortunately, so far, nobody has really gone after a small podcast. Steve novella has gotten sued for things he said on the skeptic-guided universe. They also named his employer Yale. And he has a large enough podcast, he was able to raise enough money to actually between the parties they were able to defeat that suit. Small podcasts don't get sued because there's no money. There's no money in it. It's simply about shutting people down. This could change all of that. Yep, which is why it will get shut down. That's not going to get anywhere. Hopefully, but we all know how DeSantis has been. Yeah. Catering lately. All right, so on that note, we have no new feedback, no new patrons. If you want to contact us, you can use the feedback form at htotw.com slash contact. You can leave us a voice message at 208-996-8667. Or you can use the Speakpipe button on the website. And you can support the show on a monthly basis with PayPal with Patreon. Or just once with PayPal, credit, debit, Apple Pay, or Google Pay. 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