Avoiding Babylon
Avoiding Babylon was started during the height of the COVID-19 pandemic. During these difficult and dark days, when most of us were isolated from family, friends, our parishes, and even the Sacraments themselves, this channel was started as a statement of standing against the tyrannical mandates that many of us were living under. Since those early days, this channel has morphed into an amazing community of friends…no…more than friends…Christian brothers and sisters…who have grown in joy and charity.
As we see it, our job here at Avoiding Babylon is to remind ourselves and those who enjoy the channel that being Catholic is a joyful and exciting experience. We seek true Catholic fraternity and eutrapelia with other Catholics who, like us, are doing their best to live out their vocation with the help of God’s Grace. Above all, we try to bring humor and joy to the craziness of this fallen world, for as Hillaire Belloc has famously said:
“Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine,
There’s always laughter and good red wine.
At least I’ve always found it so.
Benedicamus Domino!”
Avoiding Babylon
Cautious Optimism Around Pope Leo XIV
The election of Pope Leo XIV—the first American pontiff—has sparked fresh hope and cautious optimism in a Catholic world still recovering from the polarizing Francis years. In this candid conversation, Rob and Anthony explore the fascinating phenomenon of how both traditionalist and progressive Catholics initially believe Leo XIV is "their guy," despite the deep divisions that remain within the Church.
We dive into Vatican insider Edward Penton's revelations about the conclave's voting patterns, discovering how Cardinal Prevost emerged as the compromise candidate when votes for clearly conservative or progressive cardinals became hopelessly split. Most intriguingly, contrary to Italian media reports, Cardinal Burke never received the future Pope in his apartment—dispelling rumors of pre-conclave lobbying.
The Pope's brother Lou offers unique insights into Leo's character, suggesting that while he may hold some progressive views on certain issues, he remains firmly grounded in Catholic doctrine. This middle-path approach has many Catholics feeling a tremendous sense of relief after years of hostility, with one commentator poignantly noting: "I can't even tell you what that feels like to go in and not feel like your father hates you."
Through liturgical gestures like wearing traditional papal regalia and incorporating Latin, Pope Leo appears to be extending olive branches to traditionalists while maintaining continuity with Vatican II. Yet the fundamental question remains: can this approach sustain itself when eventually he must make decisions that will disappoint one side or the other?
Whether you're a traditionalist hopeful for restoration or a progressive seeking continued evolution, this episode offers thoughtful perspective on what may be the slowing—but not the end—of the post-Vatican II revolution. Join us as we navigate these fascinating times in Church history and contemplate what Leo's pontificate might mean for Catholics worldwide.
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Speaker 2:What are you doing with your camera? Yeah, there you go. I'm sorry, I'm trying to get it, can you believe?
Speaker 3:What are you doing with your camera, can you believe? So, basically, if I want to look at Rob, I got to look down because we had some major technical difficulties and I had to grab my wife's laptop, so my laptop crapped out on me. So're a little. We're lucky we even got on tonight. Oh, I don't like this. I'm looking down. I really don't like it. Oh, I'm a lot of sorts.
Speaker 2:Sorry guys, andrea is wondering if I got a good white light I. These are the same lights I always use. I just change the color on them.
Speaker 3:I'll tell you, man, I'm not crazy about these headphones. You made me get why they're so heavy and like I sweat, like as it is to have these headphones, I'll mix it up, you can actually hear me now yeah, I can hear you. Before though I heard you far with the other ones and but so I don't know if it would work with you. Think I could just swap headphones out yeah, let me see I wonder if I could do that.
Speaker 3:I don't know. Whatever, I'll deal with it for one episode. So, man, what are you thinking?
Speaker 2:because we have you and I haven't spoken I'm thinking I just need to send you my macbook.
Speaker 3:That's what I'm using, yeah but you're using your wife's macbook. I'm just going to get a new computer. Tomorrow when I get home I'll go get something yes, brian, we know we're live. I'm going to I. You know what it is like, the my other computer like. If I just try to sweep over to my main monitor, it just goes automatically, but this computer won't. I don't know. The mac doesn't like interface with the second monitor.
Speaker 2:Well yeah apparently we're the last normal men online, if we're normal something is very wrong.
Speaker 3:I'm so bad with technology though it's ridiculous like we were scrambling my other. My other computer was just like not, it was. It was really slow. So rob was hearing me like five seconds after I would say something. So I was like, okay, let me just go get nicole's computer. I ran upstairs, got it and you have to download a chrome browser in order to use it. It was, it was just not fun. So, um, yeah, dude, we haven't actually spoken. So we had a lot of things happen on this channel since Pope Leo was elected. The first episode was I've been in a show with you since then.
Speaker 3:No, I know the first show was me and you had Tim Gordon on. Yeah with Tim. And that was like our initial reaction to not Pope Leo the 14th. That was our reaction to Cardinal prevost getting elected and we were we were getting information in by the second when that was happening, so it was like robert, we, uh, we don't read the locals chat during the main part of the show, just because it's too many things going on.
Speaker 2:So, uh, if anyone is in the locals chat, you should come on the youtube chat during the first part yeah, because also we can't highlight your comments.
Speaker 3:Yeah, in the locals chat you can't. We can't highlight your comments from locals, so um, yeah.
Speaker 2:So that was let's hold off on starting any funds for anthony until we figure out if I'm gonna have a home in a day or two.
Speaker 3:Yeah, honestly, rob, you're on the red alert right.
Speaker 2:No, the closest evacuation advisory is right at the edge of town. I think they're pretty confident they can hold a fire to the edge of town if need be.
Speaker 3:That's good. Yeah, so Rob's got fires going on in in minnesota, which usually don't start to what august or something that I mean.
Speaker 2:so we, the state kind of has two fire seasons there. There usually is one in the beginning of the, basically right after the snow melts, before everything turns green, um, but up here we're usually pretty wet that time of year, so we don't tend to get that one. And then usually in August, as it gets hot and things start to dry out, that's when we normally have fires up here. But we did not have a lot of snow on the ground this year, so things dried out quick yeah.
Speaker 3:Well, we'll keep. We'll keep everybody posted on that. But yeah, I don't need a computer fund. You guys have been so generous. As it is we, I would much rather you guys just join locals. Um, I'd rather give rob half, half the money that you'd want to give to me we do need people to join locals because we're going to do a local show tonight.
Speaker 3:We haven't done locals in a little while, so if we don't continuously do local shows, the subscribers just drop off drastically. So but all right, so back back to it. We, uh, we came on with him that night. We were it was information coming in like a fire hydrant basically, and we were just trying to figure out who this guy was now since he's been in.
Speaker 3:I came on with nick and I was going to just do a show with me and Nick where we were like a little more level headed and I had spoken to a couple of normie people that are like from work. So, like all my friends from work know I'm Catholic. So I was getting phone calls from guys from work and like so what do you think of the new pope? And my initial instinct was just yeah, no't know, it's not good. And I came back home and I was like man, why would I like, especially after seeing how the couple of days progressed after that? It's like these are guys who aren't in the know, like listen. I went and I kind of bad mouth the pope to these guys before even knowing anything. So I came on with nick and I was, you know, like feeling bad about that. And then tim was texting me through it.
Speaker 3:So I brought tim on and had a conversation with tim about, like, what the approach should be as we go into it, and that wound up getting brian holdsworth in the chat. It wound up being like this crazy episode. It was like one of the craziest episodes we've had on on our show because it was very spontaneous and uh like people were annoyed. I didn't just talk to nick that episode, but sometimes it's not about us and it's like you're allowing for a moment to happen, right, you know. So like you kind of just have to let the moment happen. So to get brian and tim on together was just a unique spontaneous opportunity that I had to let happen.
Speaker 3:And I think the conversation where it was just me and Tim might not have been great for everybody, but I really do think people enjoyed the conversation between Brian and Tim because, like Tim came in very uh, cordial and he wasn't like you know it was. It was just a really like nice conversation between two, two, two guys who there might've been a little weird tension because Tim misperceived Brian firing off a video about him, but it wasn't really about him. So you know it. Just, it wound up just being an interesting moment in Catholic commentary.
Speaker 3:I thought so now, since then you and I have been haven't really had a chance to sit and talk about things, but I think both of us want to remain a bit hopeful. Like that's kind of the feeling, right, like it's not. It's like, man, we've had such trauma from the past 12 years that it was almost hard to soften up to a new guy being in there. So I don't know, man, what are your? What are your first thoughts? Because we haven't actually had a conversation on this yet yeah, like you, you know when that.
Speaker 2:Um, you know when the white smoke happened midday and then we got notification like within the hour who it was. You know when the white smoke happened midday and then we got notification like within the hour who it was. You know, people at work and family members started asking, like you know, do you know who it is? And there goes Anthony Don't know what he's doing. But, yeah, everyone was asking you know who it was, what we know about him? Do we think you know? Do I think he's going to be a good Pope? What is he going to be like compared to Francis?
Speaker 3:Sorry, I heard everything you said. I pulled the plug out on accident. Wait, did I switch my mic?
Speaker 2:I don't know, keep talking.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:And yeah, just like you, you know what little I did know about him and what we learned that first. What is going on with that camera?
Speaker 3:I'm trying to fix it.
Speaker 2:Looks like you're in more smoke than me and I can hardly see the house across the street. I'm trying to fix it, hang on. But yeah, what little we knew at the time. It wasn't great and you know after who we had had for 12 years. You know it felt kind of like a black bill sort of moment and what should have been, you know, a happy, exciting time. That first day was rough and saying that sort of stuff to family members and friends and coworkers it did feel bad. It's a little different with Francis when he had spent 12 years kind of publicly belittling the actual Catholic faith and spent 12 years attacking actual faithful Catholics and stuff. It didn't hurt so much to say the truth about him, right, yeah. But then to start saying some similar things about a man that I knew nothing about and whatever the truth had been about him as a cardinal, you know now he was you know he was Cardinal Prevost, now he's Pope Leo. Youost, now he's Pope Leo. They kind of are two separate persons, almost right.
Speaker 3:Tim actually argued with me when I said that, and my point was he's no longer I, but the royal. We right, he's not just speaking on his own behalf, he's now speaking on behalf of Christ and himself. So, ontologically, yes, he's the same person. But something happens, you hope, when a person assumes that office, where they say, okay, I, these aren't just the words of Robert Prevost. You know, I'm now speaking as Pope Leo, the head of the Catholic church. Oh no, why are we frozen?
Speaker 2:Uh, my network went down.
Speaker 3:Oh, I'm like this is my end again. All right, we're gone.
Speaker 2:Uh, the internet might. I don't know if it's going to last the whole show. You know, with the fire and stuff We'll see.
Speaker 3:Hopefully somebody exciting's in the chat. So if Rob, if rob's house goes on fire, somebody could jump in and kennedy brian tim.
Speaker 2:Anyone out there?
Speaker 3:anybody's out there? In case mike louis, not you, not you, no, but you want to know? It's interesting, I did speak. I have spoken to mike lewis because there is this bizarre thing happening where everybody seems to want to claim pope leo for themselves, right? So I actually have some uh messages him and I exchanged and I and I said just mike lewis no mike lewis, hopefully no. No, no, but rob did send a request.
Speaker 2:Hold on.
Speaker 3:Let me check my Facebook messages by the way, rob sent the request to Lou Prevost to see if we could get him on. Now the thing is, if we got the Pope's brother on because I saw him on Piers Morgan, I actually pulled a clip that we might play later I would never want him to say anything about the pope that could you know like, because what? What I got from the guy is that he's not as up on church politics as we would be I don't even want to like.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it'd be more like your brother's the pope. What is it like for you?
Speaker 3:just like, what is that like to to sit and see your brother? Like you know, your brother's a cardinal, but it's like, come on, my brother's not, he's an american. There's no chance my brother's gonna be the pope and then one day you just holy cow, my brother is the pope of the catholic church. Like you're talking about, um, a role that is more significant than a president, more significant than a king. Like this is he will go down in history. He is a lead, the leader of the catholic church. Like you're talking about, the most important institution in the history of mankind, right, um, let's, let's see. Uh, just think of how different you are since your reversion, anthony. There is a change in who you are with. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2:And uh, like murray says here, you know he was different under benedict and francis, yeah, but now he doesn't have to worry about any of that and he has, you know, the assistance of the grace of the office itself. So who knows, who knows what? What's going to happen, right?
Speaker 3:yeah, yeah, and I think what I'm seeing happening I'm actually happy about, which is and this is what I was trying to tell Tim was look, there's something to the American Pope coming in and not receiving hostility from the Catholic media in his own country, like I don't want this new Pope coming in who might start extending these olive branches and showing you know, because that's what it seems like to me like even these liturgical gestures. Now, mike Lewis disagrees. I'm going to go through what he said, but to me it seemed like even the small little things that everybody's freaking out about, like him't know what the word I would use for Francis, but just like flipping about the these things, right, like Francis is very flipping about the grandeur of the office of the papacy. He comes out in his white cassock. He didn't want to wear any of the people regalia.
Speaker 3:It was almost like just this 12 years of nonstop badgering for those who loved the pump and circumstance of Catholicism. Yeah, because we don't see it as pomp and circumstance of men, we see it as the kingdom of heaven come to earth. So you know, francis kind of viewed that as over. It was a very Protestant view of the papal office, in my opinion. So when leo comes out and he's doing these little things, to me they seem like he's trying to put us at ease, right. So I don't want him coming into this hostile environment where we're looking through his old tweets to nitpick things and we're going, we're going bananas on him before the man has even done anything and, look, the thing is, I'm not, I'm not getting, because there is a weird thing going. There's like a trad love affair with the guy and I think that's a bit overdone as well agreed you know, like the, the there's.
Speaker 3:I put out a tweet the other day where it was a lion and a tiger together and they were playing, and I go oh look, it's where Peter is in one Peter five playing together on the Pope Leo, Like that can't sustain itself. I just I don't. I don't see how that sustains itself.
Speaker 2:Cause there's still. There's still a war going on within the church.
Speaker 3:A hundred percent because there's still there's still a war going on within the church. 100. And the thing is, he may come out looking to make peace between these two sides, but the the they're very far apart and I don't know how a person can actually play the middle on that and I think one side is going to be let down and I don't know which side yet, because he hasn't said anything of substance yet. Like he gave a really beautiful first homily, he's doing these little liturgical gestures to, let you know, bring some of the, the beauty of catholicism back, and we're all very hopeful about it. But he hasn't said a word on faith and morals yet. Really right, you know, like it's it's, it's just we don't know. So you know, we could go into this with just the relief of not feeling like our father hates us right off the bat. I mean, that's a beautiful thing in itself.
Speaker 2:That alone has been a huge relief right.
Speaker 3:I can't even tell you what that feels like to go in and not feel like your father hates you, because it really felt like Francis hated us. So, look, there's a lot of rumors going around also that are starting to come out that they weren't true, Like he didn't meet with Burke before the conclave.
Speaker 2:Really.
Speaker 3:No, he did not.
Speaker 3:So that was one thing thing like everybody was very hopeful about and they were like, oh, maybe, burke, you know they didn't, like you can't say they struck a deal, because that would kind of be simony, but you know, maybe there was just an understanding given, like the, you know this will handle this like this, you know, if, if that were to come, but um, so, um, I said to mike, um, uh, um, I said it's strange that I I feel a little hopeful.
Speaker 3:I said the first day I got really worried, but everything I've seen and heard since seems promising. Um, from everything I'm seeing, it appears like leo will be a bit of Benedict the 16th, because that's what, liturgically at least, he seems. Because I was very worried that we were going to get a Francis the second under the name Leo the 14th and that is very clearly not what we got. So but as things are going forward, I'm like, oh, maybe we're going to get a Benedict the 17th type figure under the name Leo and I think we're still more likely to get like a JP three a JP three.
Speaker 2:I think that's more what he's going to be like. I think we'll find there are some issues he's really strong on Right. You know like, like, maybe you know gay marriage or the, the trans issues, or you know ai, stuff like that, and then he'll probably still be, you know like, uh, an ecumenist I mean he's.
Speaker 3:He's very clearly a vatican ii guy, right like he's talking about the council. He's still talking about synodality. So I said you know, we may get some kind of a Ratzingerian document coming from the next synod. I don't know, I don't think this man will be anything like Francis. So Mike Lewis said I'm not sure what olive branches you're referring to.
Speaker 3:To me it's more like Easter eggs a mazetta here, some Latin there, but his actual words. And then he gives some quotes which are it has been clearly seen in the example of so many of my predecessors and most recently by Pope Francis himself, with his example of complete dedication to the service and to sober simplicity of life, his abandonment to God throughout his ministry and his serene trust at the moment of his return to the Father's house. Let us take up this precious legacy and continue on the journey, inspired by the same hope that is born of faith. So he sends me like a bunch of quotes. Now, none of them are like that controversial, but he's clearly trying to show continuity with Francis talking about like he he took. The funny thing is he talks about his apostolic exhortation, evangelical Gaudium. But I'm pretty sure that was his first Encyclical, which was that was Benedict.
Speaker 3:Benedict Right. So the majority of that was Benedict. Then Mike doesn't want me to reveal his sources, but he he did. He spoke to two Vatican officials I can't say how high ranking they are and they both think he's his own man, but very much in line with Francis's priorities and Vatican to all the way he might handle things a bit differently. Pope Francis's mindset was completely detached from the US mindset and Pope Francis was informal in a mess completely detached from the U? S mindset, and Pope Francis was informal in a mess.
Speaker 3:But carrying around a for ruler and having healthy enough knees to kneel is all it takes to keep trads happy. So, and it's like he's not wrong. So, like the, the two sides both think they got their guy. And I don't know man, I don't know what we're getting. I don't think anybody does. So it's, it's this, it's this standoffish like okay, the. The thing I do want to try not to do is you don't want to be what they all accused us of, in that we just are looking for something right, that hermeneutic of suspicion that michael lofton always said like I. I'm not a fan of that phrase, but I don't want to go in looking for mistakes agreed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, at least not until you know we have some evidence that that's what it's going to be like.
Speaker 3:Man. I think I don't think he's going to do any of the crazy stuff Francis did. I think you're kind of right. I think you're going to get some firm stances on same sex marriage. I think you got you know, but Francis was decent about that too. I do worry a little bit about his American political views on Ukraine and Israel. I think we might get a little bit, because you know how people with a more liberal mindset felt about those two conflicts. So I don't know. Francis was pretty good on both of those. With Israel especially he was good, but even Ukraine he took a very neutral approach. So the things that I actually liked francis on are the things I'm a little bit worried about here.
Speaker 2:Um, you know it. So so far he's. He's mentioned, uh like synodality, quite a bit right. But but let's say you take Mike Lewis's, what Mike Lewis said about you know, maybe him being a little bit more formal, more, a little bit more formality to this, the synod process could change it drastically. You know, instead of an informal synod with laymen and you know, pantsuit nuns and things like that, if you made it a little bit more formal and actually made it a synod of bishops and clergy, well, that's just the way the church has operated in the past, right, like that's not synodality in the Francis sense, that's like true synodality.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there's nothing inherently wrong or at all with synodality. It's the way it has been done under francis, where it was almost a predetermined outcome. They invited very specific people and they kept a very specific group of people out of the conversation. But if the the thing I was very hopeful about is he said, uh, synodality and very, he said he gave like a a mention about personal piety. I I forgot the exact quote, but it was like like I think that was a nod to people who may love the traditional liturgy, where it's like you know, that's a personal piety, that people in their minds, that's just, you know, a personal preference to them. That's what they think it is. So maybe that's what he means by that.
Speaker 3:I mean, the thing is it would be nice to just have some peace and not be just looking to rag on the pope every. No, I don't think you're gonna get that right. I don't think you're gonna get anything like that. Um the. The question is, will some of the problems of the last pontificate be addressed? I think that's what everybody's hoping to see and I don't know, I don't know how that's gonna go. I don't um, uh, it is funny to watch, to listen to certain people who were very critical of francis, though, are like so enthusiastic about, about leo, like I mean people that like we've been talking to and stuff it's. It's just it's just funny to to watch how like enamored they are by the man. It's like there's some people like very little needed to be done to just like they just wanted the hostility to end, they wanted the.
Speaker 2:Well, and Leo, so far anyway, seems like inherently likable. Francis was inherently a mean grouch.
Speaker 3:Not just a mean grouch. Some of the stories coming out now that he had to take medication because of his psychosis and stuff. That's crazy. It's like it's ridiculous cringe. I can't take it, dude. It is weird. It is weird seeing, like, before anything happens, like the all, the all, the like, the sharpest critics of francis are just like all in on leo and it's like I like I understand the um, the more sober approach, which is what I want to take. I just want to take a sober approach to this and I and I'm I'm really hoping that relationships can be healed, because there was seriously like groups of people that wouldn't talk to other groups of people because if they were critical of francis they felt like if they talked to them that would mean that they were endorsing their views and they were doing guilt by association and all that kind of stuff. And I'm hoping that's gonna tone down a little bit and maybe we'll see.
Speaker 3:The other thing is the conservative catholics and trad catholics have been completely alienated from the hierarchy for the past decade yeah like completely alienated, where you know, if you had a conversation with a bishop under francis catholics would be like, why are you talking to that guy? He's a lib, you know. And it's like I, I don't want that over with, like I I would. I, I'm, I'm like half kidding when I say I want to get cardinal dolan on. You know, it's like I would like to actually have a conversation with the cardinal archbishop of new york, to maybe have I don't know, man, it's it would be nice not to be blacklisted from everything.
Speaker 3:I will say this oh boy.
Speaker 1:You know, I've had that book for four years and I have not read it.
Speaker 2:Do you actually read it?
Speaker 3:finally, I am reading it now and it is good. So, this book, the Truth About Rodrigo Borja Pope, alexander VI, I am going to do everything I can to restore that man's good name. I think the man might have been a saint, and everybody's so weird watching an italian simp for a spaniard your people hated the man, I don't care you, it's just I don't.
Speaker 3:I root for the underdog, and whenever I see everybody attacking somebody, I want to defend them. So yeah, mike, I can't say who Mike spoke to he asked me not to say that but I think it would be interesting to. Oh look, cale, you got a mention in this gen x. There's like kale, mark lambert and robert nugent and the boomers like janet smith hopped right on that bandwagon. Last time I checked patrick coffin lean that way. Burke and father z seem to think we dodged a bullet and seem to respect leo as a man. The newsmax article about the conclave strikes me as trad maga gloss on the new york times conclave narrative. And barnhart is skeptical. Uh, gordon, uh. Tim g is also, but looks like he's softening his stance a little bit, and maybe john henry weston too, uh, um, he, um, I'm not really keeping close track of it. Oh yeah, I don't want I.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so it is interesting. I haven't seen Patrick Coffin come out and give a clear statement on what his thoughts are yet. I think that is something he should do. It's been a rough 12 years man. Yeah, I think it would be interesting to even have a conversation with a guy like mike lewis. Now I want to actually like see where, because everybody, everybody seems happy and I don't see how that continues. It won't I mean no, it can't it can't like, so who's going to be disappointed first?
Speaker 2:that's, that's what I want to know well I I have a feeling the second he actually comes out with something like theological, like an encyclical. You'll have both sides pissed at the same time yeah, that's true, maybe, um, so okay.
Speaker 3:So I do want to get into the last uh article I sent over. I wrote good article over it, um, cause this was such an interesting article and it's uh by Edward Penton. And this is the article where it says Burke, he did not meet with Burke. So Cardinal's voting patterns emerge as Leo the 14th is welcomed as Pope of peace. Support for the new Pope, who is seen as a conciliatory figure, accelerated after the second ballot and coalesced into a large winning majority on the fourth ballot. So it's always interesting when these guys all take a vow of secrecy and all these details always go out. Yeah, you must be very happy that an American Cardinal was elected, said a smiling Cardinal Powell and the Vatican secretary of state, as he walked with an associate along the via uh uh, our first stroll on a Sunday afternoon under the warm spring sunshine, the Italian Cardinal, who was an initial front runner during the conclave, told the register of his hope that the church will be at peace, and it was at the time, as it was at the time of the apostles. Under the guidance of the holy spirit, his sentiments echoed a palpable sense of hope, optimism and peace that seems to have pervaded the eternal city since pope leo's election last thursday evening, even if it is tinged with caution among some of the faithful. Cardinal casper, the persistent emeritus of the Dicastery for promoting Christian unity, out for some fresh air near the Tiber, said he similarly saw Leo as a man of peace as well as someone who listens. The Cardinal, at 92 did not vote in the conclave believes Leo, who is being seen as a conciliatory figure after the deep divisions of the past 12 years, is not too far to the left or to the right and that he wants continuity with Pope Francis. Both attributes, he told the register, are very important. Cardinal Casper's successor as head of the dicastery, swiss Cardinal Kurt Koch, welcomed Leo as a man of dialogue, telling the register in an exchange next to St Peter's Square that he believed the new pope would bring harmony to the church. He also praised the friendly atmosphere during the conclave. I want to go down to voting patterns. Now that the dust is beginning to settle.
Speaker 3:What transpired during the conclave is beginning to come clear, based on conversations with a number of sources. Parolin was believed to be the leading contender in the early voting, especially among Pope Francis's strongest supporters, possibly attracting 40 to 50 votes, but he was unable to obtain broader support. Votes for other leading candidates such as Cardinal Tagli, zuppi, gretsch, david and Aveline were also divided, especially among the Italians, asians and Africans, so none was able to garner the momentum Hopes that those backed by the community of San Egido, jose Zupi were also dashed due to lack of support. But votes for conservative candidates were also split between Erdo, sarah, pizza, bala and Ranjith. Now that is what is annoying to me, because you would think those guys would have locked up support behind one candidate. I think so.
Speaker 1:You would have thought those guys would have been able support behind one candidate?
Speaker 3:I don't think so. You would have thought those guys would have been able to lock up support. Once all these candidates were effectively eliminated, the stage was set for Cardinal Prevost to emerge. Already considered a possible compromise candidate by many Cardinals going into the conclave, he began picking up the votes on the third vote, including among conservative voters, helped in part by Cardinal Timothy Dolan, the kingmaker, lending his weight to Prevost candidacy. By the fourth ballot, cardinal Prevost had secured more than 100 votes, well above the two-thirds majority. This was achieved without any pre-conclave lobbying on Cardinal Prevost's part.
Speaker 3:Contrary to Italian media reports, the Register can confirm that Cardinal Burke never received the future Pope in his apartment during the period of general congregations, nor any other pressure to vote for him. Overall, cardinals who were Francis' closest supporters are pleased with the result, and so too are the most who were critics of the previous pontiff, even if Cardinal Prevost was never their first choice. They'll all tend to see Pope Leo XIV as bringing a necessary period of calm and peace to the papacy after the divisions of the Francis Pontificate and in light of issues raised during the 12 general congregations that preceded the conclave. So look, I think. I think the revolution is slowing down is what I think. I don't think the revolution is over. No, revolution is slowing down and they're going to tone it down a notch.
Speaker 2:They went too far I if yeah, they went too far, um, to the point where where the francis 2.0 type candidates obviously couldn't get the support, and now, I'm sure, to their. You know, maybe they think they really did get a, a 2.0 in pre-boss, but if not, by the time his papacy is over, they're all dead yeah, yeah, that's like this is the last boomer pope yeah this is we might even get gen x pope.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if he, if he, if his papacy is 20 years long like we, the next pope is probably a millennial dude.
Speaker 3:Another interesting thing um, so setes seem to be handling this very strangely, because under francis they almost had like this sense of like yeah, you guys see how crazy things are, come on, man, like you know. So like setes were like kind of like they had like a sense of comfort on the Francis. Now them, them, seeing all the like the trads and the conservatives like rallying behind Leo. They're like you people, because the thing is he's not the craziest thing I've been seeing is Leo's a secret trad.
Speaker 3:And it's like come on, guys, stop it. This is like, like that is such copium. Like, come on, he's not a secret trad, he's not. But he, he has a good heart and he might be. He's going to be way more gentle and I, and I think I think he's going to be way clearer on doctrinal issues than Francis was, like I just do. I think I think even from these synods, like these synods could produce some good documents from them.
Speaker 3:You know, and the thing is, the Trump MAGA movement does need to be brought into check a little bit, like there's some really wacky things in the MAGA movement there is, and that stuff needs to be brought to heel a little bit. And Catholics need to see it from a Pope they trust a little bit. So I think, if things are look, I even saw Cardinal soup bitch come out on face the nation and he's like, well, because they were bringing, everybody wants to know where does he stand on immigration? It's like I think he stands where most Catholics stand, where it's like, okay, there's laws and the borders can't, you can't just come into our country and flood our country, but like you got to care for people because they're human right, like you can't just mistreat people.
Speaker 3:So you know, I think, I think that's like a reasonable stance. You know it's like you don't mistreat people, a reasonable stance. You know it's like you don't mistreat people. You know you can't, you can't just look at them like they're subhuman because they came into our country from somewhere else. Um, so I do think they'll, you know, there's gonna there's, there's going to be a like, a better way to approach that issue, where, under francis, francis was straight out like telling people we needed open borders and I don't think we'll get that anymore yeah, I, I think we'll see a much more.
Speaker 2:I don't want to use the word, let's hear it.
Speaker 3:Ah, much more nuanced, much more nuanced position on immigration dude, it's so weird because, like every catholic wants to love the pope, so it's like we want to love the pope. I don't know. There's that. It doesn't seem crazy to me, man. It's um, like there was even um, I'll tell you, man, because even michael matt, during the papacy of benedict the 16th. That's when I first came across Michael Matt, it was under Benedict. I never saw him under JP too Right, but I did come across him under Benedict and I remember the first time I saw him like he was being like critical of some things about. No, he was really being critical of the council. He was never actually critical of Benedict. He always spoke very highly of Benedict and especially when some more pontificum came out, like michael matt, praised him. But they always showed respect to the roman pontiff, you know. So I think if we could even get back to that, like we all understand, there are major issues that came about from the council. Nobody's nobody's like under some I'm not, at least I'm not under some illusion that this Pope is the Pope of restoration, like that. He's not going to. He's not going to return us to the pre conciliar, you know, catholic church. It's just not going to happen. These guys are post conciliar Popes and they are very much like this.
Speaker 3:But the thing is he is a boomer, but there's a very big difference in Francis being born in what 1936? And this guy was born in 1955, right? Yeah, so Francis was ordained. He was ordained in 1970. He was the first ordinations in the new right, ordinations in the new right. So you give that 15 more years, 20 more years, before prebos gets ordained. It's he doesn't have like the fervor of the revolution of the council in him as much as francis. He's still very much a product of it, but it's.
Speaker 3:It's like the he was speaking a lot more clearly on doctrinal issues under Benedict and then, I think, a lot of these guys under Francis man, it was like I think what's hopeful? Because a lot of people like no, no, no. Well, tim, I remember, was saying like the reason you don't know his stances on this stuff is because this guy's been being groomed to take this position for years, been being groomed to take this position for years. But I don't think that's what it is. I think that the more conservative, doctrinally conservative guys under francis just didn't say anything so as to not get their head chopped off. Yeah, because the guys that did say something, wound up like strickland, strickland or burke or yeah, right, so it's.
Speaker 3:I think a lot of these guys just handled their situation and they just they didn't go out into the media and blast their opinions on francis, but there's a there's a degree of a lot of these guys were complicit in, because everybody's outright and openly talking about the hostility we've dealt with as Catholics for the past 12 years on the Francis. It's like. It's like that was just like an open thing that was discussed at these conclave meetings. It's like, yeah, we lived in hell for 12 years. Let's, let's elect somebody that isn't going to put us through hell. It's like if you guys all felt that, why did nobody say it and say it it together, like you can't have one guy saying and then it gets his head chopped off and he's now, you know, cast out into the abyss. It's like there needed to be. That's part of the reason why francis probably didn't call consistories, where he brought all these guys around, because they would get together and be like, ah, we got to do something about this. You know, um, do we have super chats?
Speaker 3:we got to get to uh, yeah, we have a few here um oh boy, okay, imagine the ab episode with the pope's brother being shown in college religion courses. I, honestly, because the guy kind of reminds me of my dad a little bit. He's got like my dad's politics, you know, and it's like I have a feeling he didn't like you know, he has a brother who was a cardinal, but like it doesn't seem like he was going to mass. I don't know, like he might be, I don't know, but he definitely doesn't know, like the Catholic infighting arguments. He definitely doesn't know that because we're going to play a clip from him. That it's.
Speaker 3:It's, it's kind of interesting and I think he was doing his best not to say anything too controversial to not so as not to get his brother in hot water like I don't, I don't think he like he, you know he, he will play it, you'll see. Um, I'm actually fine with leo's stance on ukraine, as long as it's not coupled with americans should bear the burden and spend blood and treasure to accomplish it. I think he's, since his sense is perfectly fine. Um, I don't, I don't know, I haven't heard him like say I don't know his stance on it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't know what to say. I'm. I'm that's more of a, not something. I've seen something I'm a little worried about, because I know the political discussion over an issue like Ukraine. You know, I think he has said as Cardinal, not as Pope, that Russia's war is a war of aggression, things like that, like it's. It's, it's just a very highly contentious topic in America, you, it's just a very highly contentious topic in America, you know. So I just don't, I don't know where he's going to land on it.
Speaker 2:Also like uh as Pope. Like, the Pope has a a very long and storied uh intelligence gathering arm. Right. And he very well might not have been uh privy to information as a cardinal that he is now privy to. Yeah, don't be surprised if you see stances on things like ukraine, uh, israel, stuff like that change as he gets information he just never had access to as a cardinal in peru, right? Yeah?
Speaker 3:I. This is a good. This is a good one because I was actually just going to bring this up. The silence on fatima has to end. This is the only remedy to the world's errors. Every material answer will fall, will fail. Consecrate now. But I'm curious do you think francis um read the third secret when he became Pope?
Speaker 2:I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't, just because he just seems like a guy who just didn't care, didn't believe in it. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Now today is the anniversary of Fatima. Do you think Pope Leo said bring me the third secret.
Speaker 2:I think Americans as a whole at in in. This is really just my own experience, like I think we tend to have a greater connection to fatima than a lot of non-american catholics, and maybe I'm wrong there might just be a trad thing, dude, because, like my conversion is very much connected to Fatima, my reversion.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I mean I grew up going to in a Fatima cadet program. Yeah, you know the parish was. I found it was kind of a trad parish but we were on the Novus Ordo side of it, yeah, so I don't know.
Speaker 3:I did see Leo. I did see pope leo kneeling before a statue of our lady of fatima. Today, I.
Speaker 2:I have a feeling I get the the sense he's much more, he has a much greater degree of marian devotion than than francis did oh, I do too.
Speaker 3:Like that's the thing, look, a big part of this conversation comes down to is he like deeply catholic, you know, like is he deeply catholic and that, and that is that goes a huge long way, like it really does. If he has like a, if he's deeply catholic, like he doesn't even need to be trad, like I'm, I'm, you know, I know I know people on all ends of the spectrum who love their catholic faith.
Speaker 2:He very and he very well, you know a lot. Some of his theology and beliefs are probably modernist, because that's what we've been raised in, yeah, for 100 years now. Right, yeah, but uh, that doesn't mean he's. He at least isn't wanting or trying to be a faithful Catholic. Yeah, do I think Francis really wanted or tried to be a faithful Catholic?
Speaker 3:I probably shouldn't answer that I don't think he was Catholic. Just being honest. Like I just don't think he was in any sense of what I would relate to being Catholic, like I'm not, like whatever the man's gone, I don't, I'm not even trying, the man's gone, I don't, I don't, I'm not even trying to besmirch his good name. It's like I don't think he believed the same catholic faith I did I do.
Speaker 2:I think he saw catholicism as a means to an end yeah, look, I kind of.
Speaker 3:The one good thing is it's been such a unique experience these past few weeks, starting from the interregnum man. The interregnum was such a fun time. It was just such a fun, beautiful time for me.
Speaker 2:I found it annoying.
Speaker 3:I loved it. It was great. I freaking, loved it, freaking. Andy Malone literally does this every episode. Andy, I cannot thank you enough, man, almost every episode you hit us with one of these super chats. I think Pope Leo XIV is a black swan event. This is a good thing. One has to appreciate the amount of control that the Second Vatican Council exerted on all priests to understand how many concealed their beliefs. That's an interesting take. And then Hold on, hi Philomena.
Speaker 2:That's an interesting, take and then hold on. Hi, philomena. This comment is interesting because Matthias was disappointed this morning when he woke up because last night we told him last night we told maddie there might be ash falling. Today he wakes up and he doesn't see ash falling and he's like I thought I would be like pompeii you should tell him you should be grateful that we're not seeing ash because that means the fire's very close yes, I can't wait to meet your kids, dude.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you're gonna love it. I cannot wait to meet your kids, dude.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're going to love it.
Speaker 3:I cannot wait to meet your kids. She got so big since even the last thing you brought on screen.
Speaker 2:She is a big girl.
Speaker 3:Yeah, okay. So let's see, leo XIV was 10 years old when Vatican II went through. Like someone said, he isn't married to the spirit of Vatican II, like the previous popes were. Give him some time, that's how I feel, like I want to give this man a little bit of space and a little bit of time, and I don't want, look, I just think. First off, tact is very important, right? So even if all the things we did discuss with Tim are accurate and there's a very good chance they are even if those things are accurate and there's a very good chance they are Even if those things are accurate, there's still something to this man being an American, understanding the Catholic media landscape in America and not being hostile to him in the meantime.
Speaker 1:No, be quiet sweetheart. No, no time.
Speaker 3:No, that'd be quiet, sweetheart no, um, okay, wait, let's see. Uh, we can all unite around being glad francis is gone, ding dong. I'm probably going to talk with, uh, saint anthony, uh, padwell, rad trad, he's, uh, he is a set of a contest, um, but I will probably do. I think I'll probably go on his show, um, but he and I are going to speak before that, like we're gonna I mean, we're gonna jump on a zoom call and talk before that. Um, I don't think he's looking to, you know, pin me down on anything or anything. I, I think he just wants to hang out and have a good chat I was unaware he had a show that's uh, that's my bad yeah, I've seen his show a couple times, but uh, a couple times he he's talked about us too, like in a good way.
Speaker 3:He's always very, very charitable to us. So I think we're probably like the only normie show he watches, I would guess. Um, let's see uh, um, why don't we play the pope's brother clip? And then we're gonna go over to locals, because we got some stuff we're gonna talk about over on locals um the one with peers yeah, we'll do do that one clip with with peers and then, or should we save that for locals?
Speaker 3:I don't know. Whatever you want, I got, I got. We got plenty of stuff for locals. So we got like it's not even an hour yet, so yeah, all right, so let's do the pope's brother, because this was interesting to me marriage, francis went to endorse or blessing gay marriages rather than perform, you know, doing the actual ceremony.
Speaker 4:I think, because of his studies in canon law and his background, he's still at his roots. He's Catholic and he follows the rules of the church and he may be able to change some rules or modify some rules as pope. I don't see him going there In all the years we've grown up together. He may be liberal on some things, but there's still that basic you have to maintain the rules of the church.
Speaker 1:It sounds like you might actually be a little bit more conservative than Donald Trump when they finally get together.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's it. They get into goofy stuff now, but I thought that was important to play because it sounds to me like he's a faithful son of the church. Yeah, and I think he's going to look to bring. I think we're going to get some good encyclicals out of them. You know, like they're gonna have their post conciliar flavor to them because, like man, I went back to okay. So the reason I kept predicting louis the 14th because I did do it on several occasions, right yeah, going all the way back to december of 2023 december of 2023.
Speaker 3:Then we had ripper on. I said it again to ripper um I. I just kept saying leo the 14th because I had just read eternity patris and that's leo the 14th encyclical on philosophy and using philosophy in light of the truth. It was because there were all these crazy philosophies popping up in the world around him. It is by far one of my favorite encyclicals I've ever read. I've only read about maybe 10 encyclicals, but that by far is one of my favorite. When you go back and read it, it's, it's almost like man, if we could get something like that. Like if you could just get something like that, because everybody's talking about rarum navarum, because leo did mention it and why he chose that name and stuff. But attorney patris is one of the greatest freaking encyclicals.
Speaker 2:Man um if, if he sticks to. So you know he he came on and said that he picked leo the 14th because he saw, he saw how leo the 13th responded to the industrial revolution and he feels like we need to respond to ai and the the fourth industrial revolution in a similar way. Yeah, if he sticks to stuff like that, you know, like like ai and maybe some of the economic challenges that that the world is facing and and things of that nature, dude, there's a lot, a lot less of a chance he's gonna go off the deep end. You know, you know, and do something like less gay marriages, like fiducia supplicant yeah, like francis had a very specific thing he was trying to do.
Speaker 3:He was trying to upend catholic moral teaching, like he was. I don't care what anybody says that was what he was doing, that's why considering the family with divorce and remarriage and and and all that?
Speaker 3:yeah like that was what he went in to do. He went in to upend Catholic moral teaching on such like foundational truths of the Catholic faith. Where, if Leo XIV goes into looking at AI, like we're on the cusp of millions of people losing their jobs Tens of millions in just the US and like millions and millions of people losing their jobs Tens of millions in just the U? S and like millions and millions of people are going to lose their jobs because AI is going to replace them. Now, how do we handle that? And what is like? What do we do? Like, if you get a Pope who's actually very intent on figuring this issue out, you will get something beautiful out of it and so something very important.
Speaker 3:Kennedy said I think we hit rock bottom finally with Francis and we issue out, you will get something beautiful out of it, and so something very important. Uh, kennedy said I think we hit rock bottom finally with francis and we are now getting back up. So there's a long way to go, but leaving the bottom. So I look there's also the, the factor of the overton window shifting so much under francis that any kind of relief now feels like like you know, like you're sitting under the press you're being crushed to death right and 10% of that weight gets removed.
Speaker 2:That's a big relief.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and that's that's what's happened. At least, at least 10%, maybe more. Maybe Pope Leo XIV is the one who kept his views low key as a seminarian to be ordained as a priest, to be superior, as a superior to become bishop and as bishop to become cardinal. Finally, to pope, maybe I would. I would love for that. Um, uh, nancy, charlotte, hi, nancy, do you think pope leo will clarify more what he means by synodality? Can they invite the voice of priests who have helped people from the lgbt in the proper way and have had success, like like under under francis?
Speaker 3:Basically, the courage movement went away, like courage was like a uh, uh, the the proper way the church was handling people in that situation, where it was like they were teaching them and helping them live out a catholic faith that was faithful to the church's teaching. So courage would basically say it's like look you, you, you have this attraction, but we're going to, we're going to do what we can to facilitate you living out the church's moral teaching in that you remain chaste. And that movement basically got thrown out under Francis. They were, they were destroyed and a lot of the people that were in it got really confused under Francis a lot of them and a lot of them. They thought the church was moving in this way and it was kind of carte blanche to go back to it. Like I know. I know of a few cases specifically that they were in the courage movement under Benedict and they were living faithful to the church's teaching and then under Francis they kind of went off the rails Public people. So yeah, it's just so.
Speaker 3:What I got from Leo's brother there was that I think he's a faithful son of the church. I also think Lou Prevost was doing his best to like walk a minefield because, like peers kept asking him, is your brother woke? And it's like no, my brother's not woke. Like it's not like that you can't put the church into that category. It's just not like that. Like he might be liberal on some views is what he said. You know there was another video, rob, of his other brother getting a phone call from him. Do you, do we have that anywhere? Yes, you got to play that real quick. Find that. Find the Pope's brother getting the phone call For two hours already.
Speaker 1:Well, why don't you answer? Well, first you need to know you're on the air right now. This has been going on since 11 o'clock this morning.
Speaker 3:This is the first time I'm hearing that this thing rang, and we are being filmed and recorded. Right now, right this very minute. Robert, don't say anything stupid. There's a camera on me. Robert, don't say anything stupid. They're filming me. Don't say anything stupid.
Speaker 2:Why don't you ever answer your phone? That's exactly what I say to my brother when I call him.
Speaker 3:The thing is because the Pope was calling his brother to tell him look, I'm the Pope now. Keep your mouth shut about the things we've talked about. Don't go before the media and tell them what I said. So, like those boys must have gotten a talking to. Thank you for mentioning courage. Those of us who participated in it felt betrayed by Francis' teaching. Yeah, my heart breaks for you guys like I. It really it, it was. It was hard, man. I you know even the blessing of same-sex couples and stuff like the way. You know, it was just they were. There are people like the people that you betray when you do something like that are the people who have the hardest freaking cross in life to bear and they're trying to show a witness through the life they're living. And then you have the Pope coming out and basically saying no, no, no, you don't have to worry about that. Yeah, it's like, oh my goodness, how demoralizing, how freaking demoralizing that must have been for those people.
Speaker 2:I can't even imagine, no, man. I mean I know how hard it was to come back to the sacraments as it was, and I hardly knew anything about Francis when I did. Yeah, you know, if I knew everything I knew. Now I don't know.
Speaker 3:Oof, yeah, I did. Yeah, you know, if I knew everything I knew, now I don't know. Oh yeah, nancy, that yeah I would. I would imagine fiducia was a rough one. Yeah, it was like a. It was just a bonkers papacy man, just totally bonkers papacy. Yeah, peak boomer speakerphone. I just thought that was funny because it's like he's calling his brother. It's like, keep your mouth shut, stupid, don't tell everybody. I'm a lib. That's basically what he was doing. It didn't confuse me, but all my friends were telling me I could be gay. Yeah, oh my gosh, what a weird. The Pope's first homily was pretty awesome. We brought up the church fathers and then hearing the Pope sing the Paternoster in Latin again was was pretty good. Let's see.
Speaker 2:Let's see. Well, so while you look for things, the fires and the smoke around here reminded me of something today. Remember about two years ago when New York had all the smoke and you thought for sure it was the sign in the sky talked about. You thought for sure the world was ending.
Speaker 3:No, no, no, no, no, that's not what I thought it was. That's not what I thought it was. I thought the government was poisoning us. That's what I thought that was. I'm like they are lighting these fires on purpose. Rob, I know they are.
Speaker 2:They're burning toxic chemicals and I'm going to die North of the Canadian border on purpose I thought for sure they were doing that on purpose.
Speaker 3:Dude call stray, how uh, uh shouting in from australia. I can't believe we have people who watch from australia and they and it's, I think it's morning there, right now, right, like how far ahead is australia? Well, leo the 14th, uh must address death penalty is inadmissible. I doubt that's going to happen in catechism and communion for adulterers. That I think needs to be addressed. Um, I the death penalty stuff you guys are not going to get. It's just not going to happen.
Speaker 2:Um yeah, not for a while, yeah that's.
Speaker 3:That's going to be one that's going to take a little while, it's like, but but the communion for adulterers thing, that is a big one. And will leo one day affirm catholic doctrine that there is no salvation?
Speaker 3:that's not happening either, probably not, I'm sorry guys, you guys got to temper your expectations is what this whole show is about. And temper your expectations we have, we have it's. Just look, we've lived through this not not everybody, but those old enough to remember have been living through this since the 70s. Like, this revolution is not over, it's just ratcheted back a ways and you, you all, have room to breathe and you all don't have to be, maybe don't have to be embarrassed by some of the things the Pope is doing publicly. He's he's going to say some things that are going to be like oh boy, why did he say that? It's just going to happen? But it doesn't mean we have to handle it the way we did with francis, who was violent toward us does david david s, does the pope not have temporal authority to order temporal rulers to not practice capital punishment?
Speaker 2:and the simple answer to that is no. No, because the, the temporal authorities, have temporal authority, and that's like explicit in scripture.
Speaker 3:It's like explicit in scripture, that the temporal authority has has the authority to get you know, hand down that penalty, Right? This is interesting. Do you guys think Baron will get the red hat and do you think father Mike will become Bishop?
Speaker 1:Father no.
Speaker 2:Father Mike won't become Bishop.
Speaker 3:You don't think so? What about Baron getting the red hat?
Speaker 2:I could see that.
Speaker 3:I could see that too.
Speaker 2:I could see that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, what do we? Got Keaton Esty here. Nobody has his stance on lucha. Hopefully he puts that stupid mascot into the abyss I would.
Speaker 2:This is so mean of me. I would love to see the demoralized faces on the zoomers. If he just came out as saying that luke jay was stupid dude, it's like.
Speaker 3:But there was so many like clownings of catholicism under francis, just like clowning, clownish things. Man, it's like. Oh, I'm so happy that period is over. It was a long, 12 years man, but I like um I so I've been talking to a lot of people behind the scenes, and keith is one of them.
Speaker 2:Me and keith had a like a half hour conversation the other day and I don't know where you get the time to talk to all these people I drive a lot time to talk to you I drive a lot.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, every time I call you you, you brush me off that's because I have to go.
Speaker 2:I have to stand up from my desk, go to my office door, shut the door so that no one knows I'm talking to you instead of working today I called robin. I'm like we gotta get the pope's brother dude this is why you called me in the middle of the work like we'll be legends.
Speaker 3:you gotta get the pope's brother come on, man. Uh, and yes, I do always make time for keith, but I called keith. Well, keith texted me because he saw um, I think I don't know if he saw the brian holdsworth clip or the tim gordon clip and he was just like you know, like the like we both talked about it, like the one thing we're hoping that comes from this is like we want peace between brothers again, man, like that's my biggest hope for all this. Like even look so, like a couple of people said, like we were putting Internet gossip out when I put the Tim talks about the thing, which, well, a couple of people made comments about it, but that was less than I thought, Well, that wasn't the intent of the clip.
Speaker 3:The intent of the clip was to talk about how, under Francis, we had this hostility there and like we're hoping that we can bring people to the table again. Like one of the coolest things about that show was Brian saying yeah, bring Tim on, man, and them just talking, because Tim had just been on with me and Brian was in the chat and Tim accused Brian of finger wagging at him in his video and Brian was like I'm in the chat, dude, bring me on. And. But by the time I got Brian on, Tim was gone and then Brian was like no, just bring him on, dude, Like whatever, let's just talk. And it was one of the most like civilized, like good conversations. Brian gave good pushback on Tim. Tim brought some really valid points up. I got a hundred texts after that show. Christian Wagner was texting me.
Speaker 2:Everybody was texting me after that show. It was one of those shows. No one ever texts me.
Speaker 3:It was one of those shows where I think a lot of people in the Catholic world caught like they were just like what? What do you mean? They're debating pope leo the 14th, you know like that's a weird thing to debate. The guy's been in for 24 hours to bring in more body box. Speaking of a body box.
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Speaker 3:Maybe they saw it was me and they like me better than you. I don't know. I do say their name better than you. I do pronounce their name a lot better than you. So Recusant Cellars. You code based. If you guys go to their site, just type in Recusant Cellars is the best way to do it. Go on their site. They have bottles ranging from like 25 to 50, I think or something. But I just got three bottles in the mail today. Uh, I tried to send a gift package to I don't say it right recusant. Either of us say it, I say it right.
Speaker 2:They even affirmed that I say it right no, they looked it up and realized they say it wrong too oh, that's all right.
Speaker 3:As long as we both say it wrong, like me, and the company say it wrong, that's fine. I'm not gonna say recusant, but molly had actually gone there. Yes, her and her and laura went to the vineyard um unfair.
Speaker 3:Yeah, molly and laura went to the vineyard, so um the uh. But yeah, just just just punch in recusant sellers and check out their wine selection. They are a Catholic family. They are so supportive of our show. If you want to help support our show, they're a great gift idea. I tried to send the gift package to Michael Hichborn and Virginia does not allow.
Speaker 2:You're right, virginia doesn't, new Jersey doesn't, michigan doesn't, new Jersey doesn't, michigan doesn't, and I think there's two more yeah.
Speaker 3:Like guys, it's actually important to support Catholic businesses Like it. It really is even like you know, coming on locals and supporting us. It's like you guys want us to do this. You got to support us. It's not that difficult. There's so many other things that you guys watch that you pay money for and they're not as wholesome as Rob and I. Look at us. We're bringing unity to the Catholic church. We're going to get Cardinal Dolan on soon Time for AB to bring Tim and Taylor back together. I want to, man, I would love. I would love to make a reunion like that happen.
Speaker 1:Rick croissant, rick croissant reunion, like that happen.
Speaker 2:Recreation, recreation, recreation.
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Speaker 3:Dude, if you guys got a birthday coming up or something like that, just go support them. They're a great, great family. You know who else? They're not a sponsor, but Little Ways Farm. I ordered chicken from them and I spent like $250 on chicken Bro. They sent me like 40 pounds of chicken.
Speaker 3:Yeah, little Ways Farm, they sent me the garlic. Remember when they originally sent me the garlic? Yeah, they sent me like three pounds of garlic and my wife has been flipping out. She wants that garlic again. Their garlic is unlike anything I've ever had, ever. So if you guys want to help support another catholic business they're not even a sponsor of ours, but I just do think it's important to look out for each other. Um, I don't know if this will ever happen invite on lofton and marshall and don't tell the other, he's just coming.
Speaker 1:There's a good chance.
Speaker 2:Neither will ever talk to us again.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, I would never. I would never do that to anybody anyway. But like I don't, I, I have Michael Lofton's phone number. That's what's funny.
Speaker 2:How did you get that?
Speaker 3:Because there was a period where, before he came out with that second video, I was going to call him. So I got his number from Kyle and then he came out with that second video and I was like screw this guy, I went off on him, but I honestly I think that video doing that has kept everybody else from going after us. So maybe it was you know. Good, in the end, Bobby, you can't get Reckless in either, huh.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, he's in Virginia, Okay. I thought, you were stupid, fed let's see Any other before we head over.
Speaker 3:So what did I miss? The first hour and a half? Tim Gordon was on the whole episode, molly with taylor, you missed it. Yeah, we had taylor and tim on this episode. They were both in the chat we just brought him on um. I mean, I got a whole bunch of other stuff to do, but I think if we start it we'll go too long, so I like to keep the youtube side at an hour hold on.
Speaker 2:Someone's asked us this about a dozen times uh, what do you think of eric kajowski?
Speaker 3:is that how?
Speaker 2:you pronounce his name?
Speaker 3:I don't know. I think it's kajowski, I think it's kajowski. I've never actually watched his content. He uh, like early on he had asked me to come on his show. He reached out to me and when I couldn't make it work, he blocked me. Like it was weird. Like I was like I was like no dude, I can't make it that day. This is what I can make it. And then he sent me one more request to what I? I said I couldn't make the day. Like he wanted me to come on when he was available and when I couldn't make it, he like blocked me. I was like what the hell is that about?
Speaker 2:I have heard similar things from other people, but I personally do not know the man at all yeah yeah, we were trying really hard not to do you know who?
Speaker 3:uh, you know who? I've been watching catholic esquire. Um, he's like super trad, but he's, he's very informative. And he, he knows, I'll give him a shout out. If you guys don't know catholic esqu, he, he, he knows, I'll give him a shout out. If you guys don't know Catholic Esquire, go, go, go check his channel out. Give him a follow. He watches our show, I know that. So he shouted us out the other day. But all right From there. Oh, we got James Martin in the chat. Look at that. So, hey, hey, send a sample of that requisite wine my way. Boys, let me ask you something. You think I should try and get him on? Father James Martin.
Speaker 2:Part of me says there's no way, it would be a productive conversation at all.
Speaker 3:But the other part of me says, yes, let let's do that I think you have to talk to the other side to find out their mindset, like you have to. But like so, like if I bring mike lewis on, it will be a very cordial conversation. I just want to pick his brain a little bit and find out what what?
Speaker 2:why he thinks leo is his guy if I tell he's our guy. Tell a priest to their face on camera to stop being gay. Is that a sin?
Speaker 3:Oh yes, we have to get Theo on, yeah we do need to get him on. We have to get Theo on. I watch his show a fair amount.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we definitely have to get him on.
Speaker 3:The thing is he lives in England, so it has to be a day when I have off, or a Saturday.
Speaker 2:So we him on, we have to figure with him. He lives in england, so it has to be a day when I have off, or a saturday, so we have to figure that out.
Speaker 3:So so the one one thing I heard about um eric kajowski or whatever was from. Uh, was from oh, that is true.
Speaker 2:Yeah, eric kajowski and theo. Right, yeah was from theo saying that, uh, he found americans to be kind of uncouth and impolite and I'm thinking, oh, how's he going to deal with Anthony? Oh man.
Speaker 3:But no, but he had a very similar experience with Eric where it was a scheduling thing and he couldn't make the schedule work and Eric blocked him. Like Eric's a? I don't know, he might be a little. I don't know the guy, I've never seen's I. I don't know he might be a little. I don't know the guy, I've never seen his content. But I think he might be a little up his rocker guys.
Speaker 2:I don't know to be fair, that has not stopped us from having people in the past. Yeah, no, no, I like talking to crazy people, so yeah, there there was also evidence brought to life that I'm not going to say it's 100 true, but there was decent evidence brought to light that that I'll say this Rob and I have never bought subscribers.
Speaker 3:We have paid for it to be perfectly honest.
Speaker 2:We have put money behind ads on videos on on, not not even a few times.
Speaker 3:Two times. One was very early on when we started doing it and it did nothing for us it was on a chosen video.
Speaker 2:We we made that an ad and uh, yeah, it did so terribly. We're like we thought we were never going to do it again yeah, like we're never doing that again. And then we did one, uh, about a month ago it was like it was like two or three videos, but it was was like a week.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, so we just put 300 bucks in. Basically, we were like 100 on this video, 100 on that video. Yeah, we picked three videos, put 100 bucks behind each one and they did pretty good and I think we got like 2,000 subscribers from people seeing the video.
Speaker 2:It was all the Christian Avenger stuff.
Speaker 3:That's what it was. Yes, the Christian Avenger stuff, but that's not buying subs. Yes, the christian avengers stuff, but that's not buying subs.
Speaker 2:that's paying google ad sense to make your video go a little further than it would have. It just puts your video in front of more people.
Speaker 3:They still have to click on it and watch it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, which is why those videos were a little bit more clickbaity, to be honest. But I keep trying to get ant to pay me to follow, but he's cheap. I took don out to lunch last week.
Speaker 3:I don't want to get nothing. Was pay me to follow, but he's cheap. I took Don out to lunch last week. I don't want to get nothing.
Speaker 2:Was it for a dirty water dog?
Speaker 3:No, we went out after mass, which was funny because somebody brought up and they were like, should you go out to eat on Sundays and go to restaurants and go shopping on Sundays and stuff? And I was like, honestly, you probably shouldn't, but I just did it. I saw that, yeah, Like I just did it with my friends. So we went out. It was me, Don and Joe Boca went out after mass and, uh, just had had lunch together, it was. It was actually a really fun time.
Speaker 2:Nice.
Speaker 3:The girls all got along, um, um and everything went well. Um, all right, we're gonna head over to locals. If you guys are not subscribed to locals, if you guys enjoy our show, that's the best place, the best way to support us, aside from recusant, and you get more content.
Speaker 2:We try to give you guys two hours a week over there if you want to pay us to have anthony, tell you your sunday obligation didn't count because you chewed the eucharist joining locals.
Speaker 3:That's what we should do that, and I have to tell you about a fight I had.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was mother's day.
Speaker 3:I had a fight on mother's day right, oh yeah, so I got talking to by my uncle because I had tim gordon on. You had tim gordon on, and then that's right and then my sister had a bit of a blowout. Is that real jimmy aiken? Look? At that we got jimmy aiken. Do you guys discuss alien baptism in locals?
Speaker 2:You know what I think I need to get Ryan on with me while you're gone.
Speaker 3:Listen, this is why we weren't sure if it was really Brian Holdsworth in the chat the other day. Because we get people pretending to be people in our chat, like we had Father James.
Speaker 2:Martin in our chat. Let had father james martin in our chat let me put the link to molly.
Speaker 3:I like your uncle, all right. Well, I'll tell you guys all about that conversation and the, the, the tense words me and my sister had on mother's day in front of my poor mother. My poor mother was so upset, guess your mediation failed that yeah, I wasn't good at mediating my own fight. I could mediate other people's but not my own, so all right, let's go over.
Speaker 2:Okay, hold on, let's start disconnecting here. Boom, boom, boom bear with those get the fight over here. You gotta pay for the fight, you guys gotta pay for the fight talk.
Speaker 3:I will say this we get more crap for Tim Gordon than anybody else. When we have Tim on. Nobody gives us more crap than when we have tim on. Nobody gives us more crap than when we have tim on. Like I understand, um, people aren't going to be fans of people, but like people get like angry when we have him on. He's I guess he's pretty controversial, but there's also like um, like I really thought those conversations were important to have with him. Um, hang on, let me just log into um. I want to log into local so I can see the comments. Okay, what the hell? What's going on here? There we go. Yeah, I thought the conversation was important and you know what, sometimes you're not going to like every single conversation we have in this channel. So if you guys aren't a fan of somebody we bring on, you tune out for an episode. What can we do?
Speaker 2:It's not like we're going to take it personally.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so my uncle must have caught the initial episode we did Like right when. Pope Leo waso was elected, yeah, and he was like he's like, he was just like very upset that like we came out the gate, like that, I was like yeah, all right, is this your mom's brother?
Speaker 3:no, my dad's brother, who is like my most catholic family member like, in all honesty, he's my most catholic family, maybe. So my cousin matt's father, my cousin, my cousin matt's a locals member and he watches our show. He lives in Spain and so he was just like you know. I just wish you didn't have Tim Gordon on like that, because you know it was right out the gate. We got a new pope and you guys didn't even give him a chance. You didn't even say anything. I said look. I said it was our initial reaction to hearing. It was honest if nothing else.
Speaker 3:Yeah. So like I saw people taking down their initial videos and stuff, like I'm not taking that video down, it was an honest reaction to it and, you know, if things go horribly wrong, at least we could go back and say, look, this is what evidence we had before going into this. Like you know, we're taking a different stance now because I think it's actually. I think it's good that trads are backing down and not going crazy over this stuff like he hasn't done anything as pope to to warrant it, and I want this pope to feel loved by his countrymen you know 100. You want him to come back here, like francis never visited buenos aires right, he never visited once he never visited argentina at all never once, because they hated him over there.
Speaker 3:Um ha ha. Now we got lou prevost. What's?
Speaker 2:we got lou prevost in the channel local what's funny is I can actually look them up in there and see who that actually is um, yeah, it does show that we're not that rigid right.
Speaker 3:It shows that, like we can, we can come out initially with a certain feeling and then, and then tone it down a bit.
Speaker 2:It is definitely not, lou Prevost.
Speaker 3:No, it's definitely not. So then now, okay, so now my uncle's there, my aunt's there my aunt and uncle are very Catholic. My grandmother, my dad's mother, is there. She's very Catholic, my mom's very Catholic. The only ones at the table who aren't very Catholic are my sister and my dad. And we were talking and my sister had a little bit to drink. She had a lot to drink and we were talking about, uh, the new, not that it matters, but Teresa no, no, no, Teresa's Teresa is very. Catholic Okay.
Speaker 1:Teresa is very Catholic.
Speaker 3:Um, this is my older sister, michelle, okay, so, um, this is my older sister, michelle, okay, so, um, she, we were like I'm talking to my, my aunt and uncle, my grandmother and my mom, and we're talking about the new pope and like we're talking about the ai thing and how that could be exciting, and like talking about, like, the, the, the prospects of what good could come from this papacy. And then we start talking about the second vatican council and like, like stuff my sister doesn't know about, about, she doesn't study this stuff like we do. And some old feelings must have come up, because she came right out and she was like all you care about is the law. You're a pharisee. Like what? Like, what are you? Like? We're talking about the second Vatican council, the new pope, what are you even talking about? Like, like I, oh man, I was just so disgusted. I was just like you know what? I don't even care. I'm like, yeah, I'm a pharisee, whatever. And she got up and she walked out. My mom started getting upset.
Speaker 2:You should have responded, it wasn't.
Speaker 3:Israeli. The last time I checked, Dude, I just was like you don't even know what a Pharisee is. What are you talking about?
Speaker 2:You literally don't even know what you're talking about, I'll find the word and then I'll let you use it.
Speaker 3:I was so angry, I was like you don't even know what you're talking about. I'm like literally leave, we're having a normal conversation and you blurt that out. I'm like just get out of here. So she left and then she must have realized and she came back out and she hugged me and we made up. She was like don't worry, everybody, Me and my sister will have brawls dude, Especially over sensitive topics. Alcohol didn't help, she just snapped.
Speaker 2:The over sensitive topics. But alcohol didn't help. You know, she was just snapped the chat is unoppressed.
Speaker 3:They came here to hear about a fight. Well, the thing is, um, she thinks I'm a pharisee because I'm constantly trying to get her to come back to the church and she's probably listened to a lot of joy, smire, stuff. So she's got that version of christianity in her head and she's convinced that, like you don't need to do anything, god just loves you no matter what, and there's absolutely nothing he expects of us. And it's like, yeah, I don't know what to tell you on that, michelle. Like that's just not, that's how it?
Speaker 3:works. It's just nonsense. And the thing is I mean we've talked about it on this show like my life was so chaotic without the sacraments and now, where my life is now is so structured and my family is so, like, well ordered and my children love one another and get along with each other and they have a healthy relationship, me and my wife, and it's like and they're teenagers like these are the years where your kids are supposed to be fighting with you and answering you back, and it's like none of them do any of that. They're just. I just have a beautiful family, a beautiful home, life, and all of it is because of the catholic faith and, like my children in it lou prevost says you kicked your uncle's ass because he said he chewed the eucharist maga so I?
Speaker 3:I said he said if you chew the host, your sunday obligation is null and void, or something like. What are we savages? Let it stick to the roof of your mouth like a suction cup and scrape it profusely off, off with your tongue, but I dude. Nothing bothers me more than when people say jesus said no, chew trogos, and they throw that stupid greek translation the only people who say that are. They're converts and they're biblical literalist like, like, stop it.
Speaker 2:It's like you're saying that because that's what we told you to get you to become Catholic.
Speaker 3:Exactly, like not even kidding, like you only know that because we taught you that, but you don't understand that.
Speaker 2:Yes, it's a physical word, but that's only to express the physical reality of the real presence.
Speaker 3:It's not an instruction manual on how to take the eucharist um, so um arbor arbor got arbor guest three, nine, four, what do you guys pick such weird names that I can't pronounce arbor gas?
Speaker 2:yes, it is that because they don't want you giving people their address accidentally it is that sister.
Speaker 3:Yes, um it trogos. It means no to chew. It's like shut up. You're not greek. The greeks chew because they got leavened host and the thing's six inches thick. We're latin. We let the thing dissolve in our mouth, knock it off, and it's because you don't want it in your teeth.
Speaker 2:And then later on you mix it, you commingle it with regular food and there's like 800 years of church teaching specifically saying not to chew but whatever don't chew it.
Speaker 3:I'm just telling you guys, stop it, knock it off all of you. If you chew it, stop it. My priest, my priest, told me to chew.
Speaker 2:He's a heathen hold on, wait a minute, hold on. I got a banner for this somewhere yeah, it's definitely not stop chewing.
Speaker 3:You're not greek, you're not an animal. Well, so the let it stick to the roof of your mouth when you got cotton mouth because you've been in mass for an hour. And then you, you gotta get ultra room in your mouth and you just gulp it down in one, one shot. That's how it's done. That's how we do it in the west plus.
Speaker 2:I mean plus. Let's be honest, it's. It's not like you fasted since midnight, right? I mean, if you're a pure recent convert, you probably you probably were drinking an energy drink as you walked into mass.
Speaker 3:Yeah, people are like you, gotta fast an hour before it's like. Well, we, we don't receive communion until 45 minutes into mass I think I could so I've been driving church, yeah, pounding their coffee drinking a coffee on the way to mass. He has a bunch of heathens. You don't chew the eucharist in the west.
Speaker 2:Stop it well, even in the east, like don, at least some of the rites, don't?
Speaker 3:they have blessed wine that they you know, I think they do in Tinction in the Byzantine.
Speaker 2:You receive it on a spoon Right.
Speaker 3:You receive it on a spoon, from what Bobby tells me, I think.
Speaker 2:But Karen, the extraordinary minister, told me to chew you know what's funny?
Speaker 3:My mom is like a child of the revolution and she loves the Novus Ordo and she was an extraordinary minister of Holy Communion and she's the one who taught, because she was my religion teacher, my mom, and she's the one like, I'll tell you, man, my mom.
Speaker 2:Bobby says we do intinction. No spoon Dude, that just means you dip it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah picture no spoon dude, that just means you dip it?
Speaker 3:Yeah, um, but my mom.
Speaker 3:So, for those of you who have young kids, I'll tell you cause, like my dad didn't catechize us, my mom did the couple of things that really always made me never doubt the Catholic faith, even like as I cause I lived as though God didn't exist for a period, but I always knew I had to be Catholic and it was because my mom showed me Eucharistic miracles, my mom showed me apparitions of our lady and my mom taught, taught me Catholic doctrine when it came to like sexual ethics and like you know, not, not you know, like all of it, she, she taught me and she also taught me like you don't get married outside of the church, she taught me she just wasn't very good at, um, like going in depth on stuff, just because that's not her forte, but she right.
Speaker 3:Those things that she taught me stuck with me and there was never a question of should I be anything other than catholic? I didn't know there was a difference in protestant and catholic really. So, like when I came back in originally I was listening to protestant radio but I just thought they were like catholics but they don't have the eucharist. Like I didn't know there was like drastic difference until I started studying the faith myself. Right, but if you guys have young kids like as they, especially as they're received, they're about to receive communion show them eucharistic miracles. There's plenty on youtube at this point, the one in buenos aires especially, which is crazy, because um bergoglio didn't want it to get tested, like he was. He was resistant to them getting the thing tested, but that one is phenomenal.
Speaker 2:Lou insider info from our brother People in cyclical encouraging the wearing of Hawaiian shirts for mass. Finally, mega.
Speaker 3:If this Pope comes out and tells people to chew the hose, we're going to have a problem. I'm going east.
Speaker 2:You want to hear something funny. So visiting my wife's um grandparents this last weekend, right, and uh we're at the hotel and you know the maddie's talking about all of this crazy stuff that he learns and uh, his, his grandma asks, great grandma asks, if he knows the Our Father. So Maddie starts reciting it, you know, to show how he has it memorized, and he gets to the end and stops and she's like she starts saying the whole.
Speaker 2:For thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory and he just looks at her and he goes Grandma. No, that was the end. I don't know what you're saying, but I'm Catholic Because I talked to him about it before. I'm like they're not catholic, you know.
Speaker 3:I'm just like yes oh man, yeah, I'm going to have to? Um have a conversation with my sister one-on-one. Um have a conversation with my sister one-on-one because, like the this and dude, she came over to watch the passion on good friday and it got tense like everything gets tense with her like it's just watching the passion get tense because you know well, this isn't actually in the bible and I'm like no, these are the visions of blessed and Catherine.
Speaker 2:I'm like woman. What was the last time you actually read the Bible?
Speaker 3:Give me well, she actually does read the Bible a lot. That's the thing. Like she, especially the gospel of John, and like she, my sister does believe in God.
Speaker 2:She believes in Jesus, she just thinks especially because I'm constantly telling her like no, you like, you need to go to mass on sunday. And what's crazy, it's not like she goes to a protestant church.
Speaker 3:She'll come, she'll come to the catholic church. The pharisees, the pharisees, dude it's. It's crazy, because there have been times where, like she'll go to confession and then she'll go to mass and then, but she doesn't like she, she's like. The reason I don't want to be catholic is because of the way you explain it. I'm like I mean.
Speaker 2:So my mom is basically the same as she with me. Yeah, you know she believes what your sister does. I obviously believe what you do and, like, no matter how I explain it, like, my mom takes it as like being a judgmental attack. You're judging.
Speaker 3:You're judging her or other people in general. I have to. Yes, that's exactly what, like my sister's biggest hang up is that I say only Catholics can receive the Eucharist.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Like that's one of her, like that there's no salvation outside the church.
Speaker 2:She freaks out at that I mean, I get it, their whole generation apostatized, right like, yeah it it. It's got to suck to acknowledge that everyone you know is going to hell yeah you want to know.
Speaker 3:What's crazy is.
Speaker 3:Nicole had a hard time with that teaching for the longest time, like she just couldn't wrap her head around it.
Speaker 3:And through these conversations I've had what's really interesting is that, like the conversations I have with Nicole's family are always fruitful and they're always gentle and there's never any cause. They don't view anything I say as judgmental, like they're just interested in Catholicism, kind of yeah. So it's like the only conversations I have with them are when they started and they asked me stuff and like I just explained Catholicism in a way that they find very interesting. But through those conversations and my wife listening in on them, she's like, wow, like they have a fake version of Jesus, like it's not the real Jesus, like she just she understood it through those. So it was like if I tried to teach it to my wife she wouldn't have gotten it. But through her listening to the other side argue it, it's like her hearing me, not with her, because if I, if I, had said it to her, she would have felt like being attacked, because that's how women are, they can't have a rational conversation where you disagree.
Speaker 3:Broads, you're all terrible.
Speaker 2:I don't know how any of these women watch our show, rob well, analytics say they don't, so no, there's some, quite a few actually um 15 is not quite a few it's more than I thought it would be.
Speaker 3:It's way higher than I assumed, um oh man, I'm dying.
Speaker 2:So it's like 85 degrees out. We have to have all our windows closed because of the smoke you don't have any air.
Speaker 3:Oh, I don't either.
Speaker 2:Central air, this desktop is has a thousand watt power source in there, so it's like a thousand watt heater I don't.
Speaker 3:I don't have central air either. I have like eight window units in my house, which is probably like my. My electric tone this summer is insane, so um, but I didn't even put the air conditioner in the windows yet, because it's still cool at night.
Speaker 2:You know, it's not like that hot, yet it was 40 degrees last week yeah, so me, I don't put in, we don't put in acs up here till fourth of july oh, you know what else we got to tell everybody.
Speaker 3:So, okay, I'm going to greece next thursday. Um, I leave for greece thursday. I'm leaving, I fly out at four, so I'm going to be on Anthony Stein's show at 5 am Eastern time. Then I'm going to be co-hosting Joe McLean show at 730 am. So Joe McLean is going to Greece with Bishop Strickland on pilgrimage. Oh really, so he's going to Greece on pilgrimage with Bishop Strickland and Michael Hichborn is hosting Joe's show. So I'll be on Joe McClain's show, but it'll be me and Michael Hichborn. Oh, you and Hichborn are hosting Joe's show, are hosting Joe's show while he's in Greece and I don't leave until that afternoon. So he's going to be. He's going to be in greece. They're going. Joe put doing. Joe put hitchborn in charge of the technical side right, yeah, he's the host, I'm.
Speaker 2:I'm just like I'm the guest at 7 30 and then I'm just going to derail the whole show when I go on so they say you're going to have to in g Greece you need to go to an Eastern Catholic church and do the cross wrong Normal.
Speaker 3:I'm debating what I should do. Yeah, I'll do it the Western way, but I'm debating if I might actually catch a real, genuine Byzantine liturgy while I'm there.
Speaker 2:Well, it has to be Byzantine Catholic, obviously.
Speaker 3:Yeah, obviously. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like an Eastern Catholic liturgy, but it'll be done in greek you should see how terrible the greek novus horos are.
Speaker 2:I can't imagine I'm not going to one of those, I'm not going to one of those I'm gonna find, if there's not a latin mass. I'm gonna go to an eastern catholic church there's no way, there's gonna be a latin mass so okay.
Speaker 3:So joe mclean goes to athens on like the 17th. I get to Mykonos on the 23rd. Joe McLean goes to Mykonos the 22nd and he goes to the island of Patmos the 24th.
Speaker 2:So you're going to be there with him for one day. I'm going to miss him in Mykonos by a day.
Speaker 3:I'm going to miss him in Mykonos. He's only going there for a day and it's the day I'm getting into Athens. Knows, he's only going there for a day and it's the day I'm getting into athens, so like I might catch him. I might catch him if he's still there at the end of the day. I don't know what time he's going, but he's going to patmos the next day and I might hop the ferry and go to patmos and catch him and bishop strickland and patmos you know, you know what you could do.
Speaker 2:you could take the equipment you bought with the man on the street interview money that you never did man on the street interviews with and interview Bishop Strickland how?
Speaker 3:cool would that be. How cool would that be? But even to just go hang out with them for a few hours in Patmos, yeah, cause it's a three hour ferry ride from Mykonos to Patmos. So if there's like a really early ferry I might just wake up like 5 am and just jump on the ferry and meet them there and just spend a few hours with them.
Speaker 2:take my son with me or something bobby says and bobby paid a dollar for this that he will never go. He'll never talk to you again if you go to divine liturgy without him I so bobby was like well, bobby, just go with him.
Speaker 3:He goes, he that don't dare, don't tempt him, he'll just show up in greece I know, if his boss has let him, he will he almost had
Speaker 2:me roam.
Speaker 3:He was like we were on the phone looking at flights we were going. If they didn't get a guy elected by mond, we were going to Rome together.
Speaker 2:I need to get.
Speaker 3:I need to get a passport. No, but me, all right. So me and Bobby were talking about it, though, like and I've been, I've been talking to a few people like Bobby says I am off this weekend we, we need Rob, we need to do a pilgrimage because our audience is way bigger now than it was when patrick coffin asked me, like way bigger so we could fill a pilgrimage on our own. Now the problem is you have all these little kids.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know what we can do. Pilgrimage to leo's uh birth house, chicago. Yeah, you could swing that one.
Speaker 3:I can swing that one. No, like this really is a problem that you'd have to abandon your family for a week.
Speaker 2:You know like we don't have to do a 12-day thing that goes. I don't know that's gonna go. We're having a fourth one in august.
Speaker 3:We can't do europe, obviously, but maybe we could do like our lady of guadalupe, for four days or five days I could do that with my like because mexico, like I could do that with my family so bring them. Yeah, we'll figure that out. So I think we should do either a pilgrimage or the other thing we're talking about doing, because I've been trying to talk to guys behind the scenes to try to figure something out like we're thinking of organizing in the chat now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, carnal sarah. He said he will lead the pilgrimage to the East.
Speaker 3:How amazing would that be? No, I've been talking to Joe McClain, Michael Hichborn and maybe Anthony Stein, but the group that we talk to a lot, we're going to maybe do a conference.
Speaker 2:That would be interesting, Stein McClain.
Speaker 3:Stein McClain.
Speaker 2:We could get Kennedy, I'm sure kennedy.
Speaker 3:Kennedy would be a good one to co-co-sponsor a pilgrimage with, though, because we could definitely sell one out with it. Like he already fills a bus on his own, we could take the second bus and do it together with him and hitch a ride with him, maybe, like he's doing the holy land that's his next pilgrimage, but he's got a. He's doing the Holy land, that's his next pilgrimage, but he's got a. He's got an older audience to it. The problem is the people that do pilgrimages are the people with money, and they're boomers.
Speaker 2:They're older boomers, like the younger crowd doesn't usually have the money to do a pilgrimage, especially because all the boomers want to do as many pilgrimages as they can to burn all that money before they die before the yeah, so they don't have anything left to leave us.
Speaker 3:Um, that's what the world needs. Another conference, but no, molly, if we did a conference, it'd be fun, it would. It would be like we all give like a 20 minute talk and then we're all just hanging out like I told. I told mclean that I'm like dude, we're not doing an all-day conference like that. It sucks. Like nobody. Nobody wants to do it. No, you go and everybody gives like a 20-minute talk, and then the rest of the time is spent just smoking cigars, drinking whiskey and hanging out.
Speaker 2:I'll drink a pina colada there will be no chocolate milk allowed dude, how much more fun was the after hangout than the conference? There was, yeah, the like okay. So we're friends with the guys who spoke at the conference, obviously, and they gave good talks.
Speaker 3:I wouldn't have gone there for the talks, no and that's not a knock to them, it's not a knock on them. Conferences in general are boring, dude, like I went to the catholic identity conference. There were some great speakers there. I enjoyed two or three of them. The rest of them I'm like can I just go to the bar? Like I just want to go to the bar and hang out with everybody.
Speaker 2:There was also no bar, so oh the catholic identity conference.
Speaker 3:Okay, yeah yeah, catholic identity. Well, we brought our own bar to our conference. We basically just we all hit, basically just we all hit the liquor store, we all hit the beer distributor and we just brought our own.
Speaker 2:You know what's funny? So I was with my brother this this last weekend and I started telling him stories from the conference he goes, bro, I was there.
Speaker 3:He had fun. He had a good time hanging with us. Yeah, but yeah, you had fun. You had a good time hanging with us. Yeah, um, but yeah, just the the hangout after and getting to like spend time with people that watch the show, because the, the people that watch our show are different than all the others. I'm telling you we have a, we have a unique audience and that its majority is under 50. Yeah, a majority is under 50 and it's I'm telling you, man, when you go to these conferences, it's all old people it was generally yeah
Speaker 3:it's generally like that when you go to these conferences, like even when I did, when I did the cancel priest conference, wasn't many young people there? There were some, but you know it's. But when we did the north carolina thing, there were some, but you know it's. But when we did the North Carolina thing, there were 40 guys under 50 there to see me and Rob. It was just like you don't get that at other conferences. I'm telling you Margo 62, 62 and female Marge 62. It's not Margo, that's not Margo. No, marge 62, 62 and female Marge 62. That's not Margo, that's not Margo. No, marge 62. 62 and a female. See, we got some badass chicks that watch our show man.
Speaker 2:At least until you make a boomer woman joke.
Speaker 3:Old people. I feel attacked on JD France or trade JD Trance, jd, france or trade jd trance. Uh, this is ann. I'm 70. I love you. Look at that. We do have some awesome women that watch our show. Canceled priests are all supported by maga boomers. Yes, yeah, well, it's also a very unique um crowd, like there was. There's a called I'm not supposed to say this, I'm not supposed to say that. There's a group called the Council and they have quite the Avengers squad they have assembled and Rob and I are not invited. Wait, who are we talking about? I'll tell you over there. Okay, hold on.
Speaker 2:Let me pause the stream and you can tell me Okay, stream's paused. Tell me, is it really no? You know what? I almost said it.
Speaker 1:I almost said it.
Speaker 3:Oh man, tell us, everybody wants you to tell us.
Speaker 2:Wait, is it related to the canceled priest?
Speaker 3:Many of the people that were at that were at this. It was the Tennessee thing.
Speaker 2:Tennessee thing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, that just happened oh, I thought it was something different, but hitchport can't get us in. I know like it was like all people from like that we talked to and they were all down there, but it's like an older crowd I don't know. Like they're they, like they. They don't understand the value of our show.
Speaker 2:It's the amish thing too isn't it?
Speaker 3:they? No, because mclean's pretty based on that, and so is katherine, and katherine was there, um, oh, now you're just, you're literally just telling everything now. And I mean, dr kwasniewski was there, um, uh, there were a lot of people there, but so was altman yeah see, I don't know if I can do that this is.
Speaker 3:You guys better never blow my spell, like we're telling you guys stuff I'm not supposed to be repeating. Okay, then let's just stop. I can't help myself. I don't know. Clearly, clearly, you cannot first rule the council. These people don't understand the value of our show, though that's my point like maybe that's because there is value to our show.
Speaker 3:Listen to me, here's the difference as long as you don't tell us secrets the value in our show is that we are actually speaking to gen x, millennials and zoomers for the most part, like we do obviously have boomers that watch, but it's for the most part it's gen x, millennials and zoomers, like we're talking to the younger group where well, anthony, why don't I get invited anywhere after telling secrets?
Speaker 3:I'm just very butthurt that we weren't invited to this thing all right don't cross me because if I find out the info I'm gonna blurt it out on my locals um the the.
Speaker 3:They don't see the value in us talking to the younger crowd like we're the future of the church well, not you and I anymore bud but yeah, we are, though, like that, like, look, somebody has to take the mantle from the scott hans, and and like those guys, right, somebody's got to be the new boomers. Yeah, somebody has to be the new boomers. Like somebody has to do it. Now we, we don't talk like the professional catholics do.
Speaker 3:So no, I think that's that's what kind of opens the younger crowd up to us, because we're just hanging out and talking and I don't know, I I think they, they're. They don't see that people, that there's a space for that, right, you know, they see, they see, uh uh, an accountant from the Midwest and they see a construction worker from the New York and from New York and they're just like, oh, what value do they bring? They don't see that most people would rather.
Speaker 2:Anthony replacing Scott Hahn.
Speaker 3:Think about no, no, no, no, no, no, no no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Bobby said he goes dude. What it is is like there are some times where, yeah, I want to listen to a theology talk and I want to learn something he goes. But then there's sometimes like I don't want to listen to trash and I don't want to hear cursing and I don't want to hear foul mouth nonsense, but I just kind of want to, so he doesn't tune in when Tim's on our show.
Speaker 3:I guess not. But he does want to hear like a podcast where guys are just shooting the crap with each other, where you know they're talking about church stuff still, but it's not because I don't really listen to the most catholic media, because me- neither because I'm in it all the time, right, I get enough of it and I don't like.
Speaker 2:I'll listen to kennedy sometimes.
Speaker 3:I I like his views and opinions on stuff um not like I used to, though no, I check out anthony stein every morning because it's on my ride into work and he's usually talking about like the topical news story of the day.
Speaker 3:He's way too early for me, but yeah, so I'll, and I'm in his live chat in the morning on my ride to work, you know. So it's like I interact with him a little bit on the way in. I always check anthony steiner and then while I'm at work, I'll throw joel mclean on, because he's same thing he's talking about, like whatever's topical that day, and I interact with his audience and his audience like like they're happy to see me in the live chat. You know it's like yeah, so, um, but other than that, like I'm not really watching much else anymore.
Speaker 2:No. No I mean, I've kind of heard it all.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean, I'm not a huge fan of the monologue in front of the camera anymore.
Speaker 2:No, nope. If there's an interesting subject that someone's presenting right from a catholic perspective I haven't heard I'd, I'd I would definitely tune into that. But uh, yeah, but yeah, the the monologue thing is is played out, in my opinion no and not for me, for me, I'm not yeah if anyone else enjoys that, yeah, so be it, but for me it is it's just a matter of taste.
Speaker 3:It's not a matter of I don't like this guy. It's nothing to do with that.
Speaker 2:It's just where my taste is has shifted to like I don't I'd much rather waste my time watching some autistic explanation of a firearm or something I'm not even joking uh I only watch you and kenn Kennedy, not interested in anything else.
Speaker 3:Majorians, musings. We gotta find a place for you, man. Let's see. I love watching Stein now, but it took a while. I watch Hitchborn and Anchor Team. That's a good show.
Speaker 2:What was the hot take, paul the monologue being played out too many.
Speaker 3:Thomas need more autistic explanations of Nietzsche. No, I'm, you did.
Speaker 2:Should bring back Thursday yeah, I like Thursday, just no mash talk, please.
Speaker 1:I sat for 45 minutes what I'll mash.
Speaker 2:The mash listening to nick and thursday talk about mash this chat is bananas. Okay, first off, I'm taller. Okay, hold on, you don't know what I'm even talking about.
Speaker 3:That looks like the guy that doesn't even look like me.
Speaker 2:All I'm going to say is I'm taller than him.
Speaker 3:It doesn't look anything like me. It looks like the freaking guy that's always talking to the comedian. He's the comedian and you just made me look like Jimmy.
Speaker 2:Akin, like the guy that's always talking to the committee. He's the comedian does the and you just made me look like jimmy aiken. Before the.
Speaker 3:Before the oz epic that doesn't look like bay anthony telling francis all our secrets tyler says don't complain, you weren't listening.
Speaker 2:You were looking up guns online, not tonight. I bought too many recently altman is about 5 10.
Speaker 3:He's not so he's my height yeah, he's a little bit taller than me. He's not like particularly tall, he it's. He wears civvies all the time, man.
Speaker 2:I'm going to refrain from commenting.
Speaker 3:Yeah, when I met him, he was wearing gym gear.
Speaker 2:Drinking in a hotel room right.
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm, yeah, and he wasn't a particular fan of mine, I guess because he was, I don't know he was the one guy I wasn't crazy about at that conference. I'm not trying to gossip, but I just, I, just, I don't know Everybody else the reason why you're not on the council. Everybody, everybody else was so friendly to me and he was just not, you know he doesn't seem like a friendly sort of person.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:All right, this show is kind of dwindling out, guys. We got a late start, let's see. All right, this was a. This is a fun one. Um, so thursday will be on, then tuesday will be on, and then next thursday I'll be on with anthony sign and then, uh, me and hitchborn will be on, then Tuesday will be on, and then next Thursday I'll be on with Anthony Stein and then me and Hitchborn will be taking over.
Speaker 2:Don't forget what else you're doing next Tuesday do I have you booked that for me?
Speaker 3:I'll be on LifeSite News at 4 Eastern, but I don't know if that's live it's probably recorded that's probably pre-recorded. Yeah, that'll be interesting. Yeah, it's probably pre-recorded.
Speaker 2:Um, yeah, that'll be interesting yeah, it's gonna be a busy day for you yeah, I haven't talked to john henry in in about a year.
Speaker 3:Um, all right, yeah, we're gonna wrap this up. I gotta get some sleep. It's a good recusant ad rob this one here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I did not see that until now.
Speaker 3:The breakies at rubnick art. I like it you're not supposed to like. I want that picture.
Speaker 2:I'm putting that up somewhere for those of you who are not in the chat. First off, why did they make you look like joe boca? A little wait. What? Look at the look at the screen.
Speaker 3:You kind of look like joe boca and you look like kyle, I do like kyle. Uh, all right, I'm gonna wrap this one up. Um, all right, so we'll see you. We'll see you guys on thursday. Not sure what we're gonna do yet. We'll try to maybe shift gears. I don't know. We'll see. If pope leo does anything exciting, we'll talk about that. If not, I don't know, maybe we'll do a deep dive into um, what are? What are we gonna? What if this?
Speaker 2:pope doesn't just do terrible stuff. Well, twice a week for the next 12.
Speaker 3:I think we should highlight as good stuff. Well, I talked about this already like dude, like we'll talk about anything like it doesn't matter like we're. I know how to be entertaining. I don't need the Pope to suck to be entertaining I wasn't entertaining because the Pope sucked. I made the Pope sucking entertaining.
Speaker 2:It's weird, we might be able to do shows on actual Catholic topics. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:And even maybe some good things the Pope did. That would be fun.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the worst part is that both those things are not going to get any views. I think they might. I think people are. Yeah, the worst part is that both those thought things are not going to get any views?
Speaker 3:I think they might. I think people are excited about the new pope. I mean that'll, that'll only last a little while and then it'll kind of just become he's the pope. But don't worry, there's plenty going on in the world, yeah that's let's just say, said, then be entertaining. I thought tonight was a good show bring back the movies with father nicks.
Speaker 2:Um, maybe soon.
Speaker 3:Yeah, maybe soon, we'll do that on rumble. I guess we'd have to do that on rumble, do that on rumble. So yeah, if you guys aren't subscribed to the rumble channel, we'll. We'll promote that as it comes up.
Speaker 2:But all right, we should someone says avoiding mammon the new reason in theology. It it's like, ah, we should call ourselves no reason North North theology.
Speaker 3:I always thought he should have called that show unreasonable theology. Yeah, all right, we'll see you guys next time. I got to get some sleep.
Speaker 1:Thanks for watching.
