American Pope During an American Crisis

The veil between geopolitics and spiritual warfare grows increasingly thin as Israel launches strikes against Iran, potentially drawing the United States into yet another Middle Eastern conflict. We explore how these events align with Father Maudsley's apocalyptic framework, suggesting the modern state of Israel represents "the kingdom of Satan getting its foothold in the world" and connecting to Revelation's prophecy of the beast that returns.

Diving into cultural manipulation, we examine how Hollywood has programmed generations of women through films like Titanic and Forrest Gump, portraying characters who abandon stability for fleeting passion as heroines rather than cautionary tales. This programming has real consequences, reshaping relationship expectations and undermining family formation.

The financial system itself becomes a theological question as we discuss usury in modern banking. With mortgage rates climbing above 6.5%, many Catholics find themselves trapped in economic servitude, unable to fully live out Church teachings while participating in modern economic life. We consider practical ways to resist these systems while building sustainable Catholic communities.

Pope Leo XIII's cautious approach to Church governance raises questions about his intentions and future decisions. Will he merely maintain Francis's appointees like Cardinal Fernandez at the Dicastery for the Doctrine of Faith, or will he eventually bring back traditionalist voices like Cardinal Sarah and Cardinal Burke?

Throughout these challenging times, strong parish communities remain essential. Whether Novus Ordo or Traditional Latin Mass, parishes that foster deep connections and authentic Catholic practice provide the stability needed to weather the approaching storms.

Chapters

• 0:00 Hollywood Romance and Female Programming
• 10:45 Teachers Who Prey on Students
• 16:15 Recusant Sellers Sponsorship
• 28:05 CIA Handbook on Manufacturing Riots
• 41:30 Israel Attacks Iran
• 52:00 Father Maudsley and Biblical Prophecy
• 1:07:45 Pope Leo and Church Politics
• 1:29:47 Usury in Modern Life
• 1:46:30 Self-Defense and Proportional Response
• 1:58:21 Special Guest: Voice of Reason
• 2:04:32 Lucky Luciano Family Connection

Transcript

Hollywood Romance and Female Programming

Speaker 1 0:01

Once more, you open the door and you'll hear in my heart, and my heart will go on and on.

Speaker 2 0:22

I've been paying insurance for all these years. It's insurance fraud. I did not see that one.

Speaker 3 0:35

I know, taffy sent me three he goes this one I haven't sent to Ant, if you want to use it.

Speaker 2 0:42

That is so freaking, amazing, holy cow. We talked about that on Locals, though that's not for the YouTube audience.

Speaker 3 0:52

Everyone's going to be like what are they talking about?

Speaker 2 0:58

So yeah, for anybody that doesn't know, my boat needs a new motor, and we were. We were talking on locals the other night about how the temptation to commit insurance fraud is there, but obviously I would never do that, and that's the joke taffy's making fun of well, and it's a, it's a call back to one, to like three years ago when we did that conspiracy show and one of the conspiracies we talked about was the tit.

Speaker 2 1:24

Titanic was for insurance fraud, and not just that, like I know people have done this bit because I've seen it a bunch of times. But the, the, the modern, like this isn't original, obviously, but like the modern understanding of women's, like romantic, romantic movie. It's like rose in titanic was the worst human being to ever live like second worst.

Speaker 3 1:55

The worst is jenny from jenny from far as gump.

Speaker 2 1:58

It's like those two are the most evil women on the planet and they're seen as like the heroines of the film. It's like Rose had a really good man who loved her. She cheats on him with a guy she met on, some poor from the bottom of the boat. She meets one day after she's already sleeping with him. She has the hope diamond or something and she could leave it behind to her grandkids and children so that they don't have to worry about money for the rest of their lives. But no, at the end of the movie she throws it off the side of the boat and it sinks to the bottom of the ocean and nobody ever knows where it is. She's the most evil, freaking woman in history.

Speaker 2 2:37

And then Jenny, jenny from Forrest Gump, that vile girl. What she did to far as leading him on his entire life. Then she comes back, sleeps with him, has his kid, gets aids and then dumps the kid off and dies on him. Like it's just the things that women find romantic are just beyond normal. Like I don't. I don't know how you even put modern women the titanic lady was the very first boomer.

Speaker 2 3:03

The first boomer just throwing throwing her children's inheritance right off the side of the ball in memory of some stupid poor patty what that's the, that's the that's the worst part, he was some bum some bum.

Speaker 2 3:17

She met and and and, like, has an affair and then she winds up marrying the guy that, like that, she cheated on and she tells her kids like she never really loved their father, like what an evil woman. Jenny and rose program modern women. Yeah, it's not even a, it's not even a stretch, like every single rom-com is. Every single rom-com is about a woman who's in a stable, healthy relationship and she looks for every way to throw it away, throws it away and cheats, and that's romance for women and it's like it's just makes no sense. Like the notebook, every, every single rom-com is like that. And her vision of heaven is with the guy she cheated with and not the father of her child. Yeah, it's like vile stuff. And it has programmed women Like it's it has.

Speaker 2 4:10

Because that stuff has a psychological effect on you when you watch it. It's crazy.

Speaker 3 4:14

It's got to be one reason why so many women in their, you know, when they hit their 30s or whatever they Sleep with their 15-year-old students. I mean, that's not where I was going with it, okay, no, this is a freaking epidemic right now.

Speaker 2 4:30

See the Catholic school counselor that just was weeping in court. She just got sentenced to three years in prison.

Speaker 3 4:36

Is it for real?

Speaker 2 4:38

no oh my gosh, I mean I don't doubt it yeah, the there was a woman, gosh. I mean, I haven't seen anything. I don't doubt it. Yeah, there was a woman who was a counselor at a Jesuit high school and she was 42 years old. Her student was 16, and she started a romantic relationship with him. When he wanted to get out, she threatened to kill herself. The kid finally came out now.

Speaker 2 5:08

Okay, so I used to have a different perspective on this stuff and my perspective has changed. I'm not going to get into why people that are that are locals members, understand why, but I used to. I used to have a more. I used my my opinion of it used to be like, oh you know, it's not my opinion of. It used to be like, oh you know, the guy isn't a victim in it, things like that. But the more I see how predatory these women are, the more disgusted I am by it. And this woman is disgusting. She has children like teenage children. Think about the reputation damage and like how embarrassed her kids are. Like the thought of consequences and what you're going to do to the people around you didn't even enter this woman's mind. She ruined her entire family all for what to get a little attention from. Like they're psychotic, some of these women um that's, that's a fact.

Speaker 2 6:03

So it was all over the news. I saw oh, oh, she's talking.

Speaker 3 6:05

Oh, I ran um I don't see anything on middle east spectator about it either, so yeah, let's.

Speaker 2 6:12

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Speaker 3 6:49

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Speaker 2 6:54

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Speaker 3 7:26

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Speaker 2 7:28

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Speaker 3 8:07

I know Time to throw $10 a month away, then Don.

Speaker 2 8:10

All streams are now Ant complaining about his boat and asking his viewers for money. That is not actually the case. It was the last stream because my boat broke.

Speaker 3 8:20

And I tell you guys what's going on in my personal life. First off, anyone who's watched the channel knows that every stream from june through about mid-september is complaining about the boat.

Speaker 2 8:28

Okay, it really is and then december, to like march, is usually snowboarding stories. I'm like I got like two or three tricks guys, once you hear one show, you've seen them all. Uh, at this point I'm doing this to annoy grover probably worth the money, honestly. Grover never throws super chats up. He's cheap too.

Speaker 3 8:48

Actually, if he doesn't, it's because every time he does, I never put them up.

Speaker 2 8:53

Well, they're usually a bit much, right. That's why I can't do it. Grover, his super chats are usually a bit much. I need the apocalypse to happen so I can never hear about this boat again and Anthony can focus on manifesting revelation, just like you manifested leo the 14th.

Speaker 3 9:14

I will say this oh, taffy, throwing out all right, let's go for the boat fun, rob's boat fun.

Speaker 2 9:16

I almost bought a canoe this year that would probably be fun be out of boundaries, of the, the boundary waters, yeah be out of boundaries, uh, the, the boundary waters, yeah, um, I will say this.

Speaker 3 9:30

I did come on this show.

Speaker 2 9:31

Everyone is saying this. I yeah, I mean probably we'll. We'll try to check the news for that. Um, I did come on this show about a month or two ago saying the end of the world is coming and that everything I thought about Trump is nonsense. And I just see, I don't know, I had, I had this. I just thought everything with Russia and Ukraine is going to escalate, which it has. War with Iran is coming, and I said before Trump's term is up, the world will be at war. On top of that, we have these phony riots going on in america like these, these cia nonsense riots.

Speaker 2 10:15

I think I did send the video um, yeah, you did of uh, mike ben's so cia handbook on how to turn protests to riots. Play that clip real quick. It's only a minute.

Speaker 3 10:30

Once again, you've sent 30 things, yeah.

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Speaker 2 10:33

I got list. I told, I told Rob before the show started. I'm like I'm not like I have. I have had a hard time paying attention to secular news lately, like everything just seems fake to me. Yeah, I just don't honestly care about it. Everything just seems so fake and kayfabe to me that I'm just like I don't care, like I don't care. La is burning. Good, burn the whole damn city down, like New York's burning. Burn the whole city down. I don't care at all, it's all just fake. They're trying to me it also. Well, let's play this. Let's play this clip first, and then I'll.

Speaker 5 11:08

I'll tell you what I think 1983 to train CIA operatives in the field on how to organize riots in foreign countries. And here's a tab on using agitators, including hiring professional criminals, to manipulate mass meetings and assemblies of people in person, which can result in general violence. And you will see that they advocate for general violence where the CIA tells the case officers. Our psychological war team must develop in advance a hostile mental attitude among the target groups so that at the given moment they can turn their anger into violence demanding the rights taken away by the regime. So make these ethnic minority groups so mad at their government in a general sense that whenever we snap the trigger at the given moment, they will turn that general anger into physical violence against the state that we want to overthrow.

Speaker 2 12:14

But this is a cia I mean, this is clearly what's happening. So like these used to be foreign, foreign playbooks and now they're just turning them on us like they did. This is this is what all of the USA USAID money was. This was what all that was like Every time you thought you saw USAID happening, aid money going to these other countries. It wasn't.

Speaker 3 12:39

I mean, that's a small part of it.

Speaker 2 12:42

USAID is a small part of it. So so Trump comes in and he cuts off all the USAID money and everybody's like, yeah, we're finally defeating the deep state. We haven't defeated anything Like. You see the war with Russia and Ukraine continuing along the same exact trajectory because it doesn't matter what, even if Trump actually does want to end that conflict, it doesn't matter. There are so many different pieces in place pushing that escalation that it's just going to continue on the path. It's on.

Speaker 2 13:25

What's happening in America with these riots seems like it was just coordinated from early on. Hearing news drops like in the news you started hearing. Well, you know trump when he's getting rid of the criminals, you know people will be all on board, but are you going to be okay with trump just going and getting these poor farmers? And it's the exact rhetoric that you're hearing now. So they, these protests are not organic. None of it is. This is all cia backed funding to get these organized, to get these protests organized. Then they get a couple of agitators in there. They lay a pallet of bricks here, a pallet of bricks there, and all of this is for. In my opinion, it's because they're trying to manufacture consent on something. So you're already seeing people like laura loomer come out and saying we need palantir to go in and do a database and figure out who these people are.

Speaker 3 14:11

It's like it makes me, it actually makes me really consider trump uh, not being controlled opposition, not being controlled opposition, but that they wanted, they actually wanted him in in order to because they know how divisive he is, how just you know, prone to you, think about how fast things escalated in his first term.

Speaker 2 14:41

Right, like, really think about how fast things escalated under his first term. Like that was when the mask dropped on the media and it was like holy cow, I can't believe it. Like when Trump is in, they get to hit the gas because, oh, we have to oppose Trump. So they actually get to push their agenda, their agenda, faster and harder when Trump is in, because it looks like it's just opposition to trump. Can someone just put a link?

Speaker 3 15:05

put a link. Put a link in there, come on, yeah, like show us I and what.

Speaker 2 15:09

And no, it's not gonna end.

Speaker 3 15:11

Live on eb because you guys aren't giving us a link um but yeah, I guess what I'm saying is like I'm seeing on disclosed tv justin israel attacks Iran, explosions in Tehran, but that's just disclosed TV. Well, that's a pretty. They usually don't put things out that are wrong.

Speaker 2 15:31

I'm seeing, yeah, spectator index breaking Israel is striking targets inside Iran.

Speaker 3 15:38

Israel declared a state of emergency 12 minutes ago. 12 minutes ago.

Speaker 2 15:45

This is Israel. Nick Fuentes says Israel is officially attacking Iran. They're trying to drag the United States into yet another one of their wars. Never forget who is responsible, because he's right. This is yeah. This, all of this is just it's. It is just us doing the bidding of Israel in the Middle East Today.

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Speaker 3 16:09

I saw a headline from an Israeli newspaper from 1980. Do you know what the headline was? No Iran months away from nuclear weapons.

Speaker 2 16:23

Gosh dude. The same narrative has been going on for 50 years, four, 45 years. We've been hearing about Iran's. They're five years away from a, from a nuclear weapon. We've been here like my entire life. I remember hearing about this. I mean this whole, the whole. I mean you put you put up today about the uh, the Iraq war, about the uh, the iraq war. Yeah, but bring that tweet up, because I actually want to ask you about that because that was such a.

Speaker 3 16:50

Uh, I'm not.

Speaker 2 16:51

I'm not joking when I say it's a, it's a core memory of mine yeah, bring that up because that's that's an interesting one, because this was right after 9-11 and I remember, sitting in in my parents, den I was 03, I was 21, 15, so you were 15, I was 21, 21. I'm sitting in my parents, den and me and my dad were just sitting on the couch watching this and I was like I was, I had like blood lust.

Speaker 3 17:26

I was like, yes, let's kill the brown people I remember watching cnn for days pre, you know, prior, waiting for it, waiting for it to start, and I remember when this popped up on TV Like this Beneath all of this, emergency teams raced across.

Speaker 2 18:14

Let's not play too long, because I don't want to. I don't want to get a copyright or anything but that moment it was go ahead.

Speaker 3 18:18

I can picture that in my head like on command. You know that, that exact video it's.

Speaker 2 18:23

It's one of those things of oh, where were you when that happened? Kind of thing, like I was sitting in the den with my dad and we were just watching the tv. It was the first time like war was broadcast in that way, because even even afghanistan, like afghanistan, started a lot smaller.

Speaker 3 18:42

It started with special ops team taking, like the Kandahar airport, and you know parachuters pair, you know pair jumping in stuff like that, whereas that those were the literal first seconds of the war in Iraq. It was broadcasted live on TV.

Speaker 2 18:58

Yeah, yeah, it was nuts, but because it was so close to nine 11, nuts but it but because it was so close to 9-11. The whole country wanted blood and retribution for 2,500.

Speaker 3 19:11

Americans being killed 2,800 Americans uh, what a year and a half after the fact. This was March of 03.

Speaker 2 19:18

So yeah, 18 months later 18 months later we knew, we knew that saddam hussein had nothing to do with 9-11, but we didn't care, like we just we just didn't care. We were like I don't care, just go, just go bomb the middle east like just anyone over there, just just drop bombs over there. They presented us with the weapons of mass destruction. Nonsense.

Speaker 3 19:42

They did like the sarin shells, all of it, yeah.

Speaker 2 19:46

Then it was the, the American troops. Well you, I remember the videos of the American troops coming in and the Iraqis waving American flags. They were so happy to see us.

Speaker 3 19:55

They were so happy to see us. You remember the the purple fingers from voting.

Speaker 2 20:00

No, I don't remember that. I remember Baghdad. No, I don't remember that, but I remember bag that bob, oh, oh I.

Speaker 3 20:05

I had a deck of cards. You know what I'm talking about yeah with all the faces on it, I played.

Speaker 2 20:12

I learned how to play poker with a deck of cards with iraqi military faces on it, the um that that whole period was just wild like holy cow man, like it is crazy.

Speaker 3 20:26

You think about how hard we fell for propaganda back then that those um 9-11 and afghanistan and iraq it made me want to join the military. I mean it's yeah I. I spent all of junior high and high school trying to get into the air force academy at west point and and stuff.

Speaker 2 20:44

I mean that, yeah I thought that was maybe start paying attention to politics. And then I start listening to rush limbaugh and sean hannity and I'm just chemical ali remember that chemical ali uday, uday, and um, what was the other one's name, the son uday?

Speaker 3 21:02

and? Oh well, it's not musain's kids yeah oh man, I forgot them, who say is it who day?

Speaker 2 21:07

and who say something, those kids it's his sons were they more evil than him.

Speaker 3 21:13

Yes, yeah, they were like beyond evil, those kids, um well I mean, I guess I just always bought the story that they were yeah, no, they were those.

Speaker 2 21:23

I, I do think they really bought the story that they were yeah, no, they were.

Speaker 3 21:26

I do think they really were. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah they were. I mean, I'm not going to say Saddam was a good guy. Yeah, I don't buy that.

Speaker 2 21:35

No, but you think about how many Iraqi Christians the Christian presence in the Middle East was very big back then Like all of this stuff just wiped christianity out from the middle east, like it didn't wipe islam out, it wiped christianity out. So you you have to think really hard about what israel's actual intent is in all of this israel and their evangelical uh puppets.

Speaker 3 22:03

I mean, think about that, think how many, think how many apostolic christians have been killed in the middle east due to the birthplace of christianity you're talking.

Speaker 2 22:13

You're talking about where christianity the road to damascus, where paul has his conversion is in syria yeah, right, and you think about what we just did in syria yeah, you think about what we just did in syria.

Speaker 2 22:27

We just overthrew who the hell's in syria? Um, was it asad? Yeah, overthrew asad. Oh, he's so evil, we got to get him out. We literally put in somebody who we called a terrorist six months ago. Now is he renames it with, like the Democratic something, and they go throughout Syria murdering Christians. It is so vile what they're doing. And all of this is just at the behest of Israel, of israel. And and to think that israel isn't behind the riots in america also, and even the freaking um, the internet outages like it's it's just, it's all them, even if they're like, even if they're not like directly behind it, like they're.

Speaker 3 23:22

You know, if, if iran was behind it, well, yeah, that's still because of israel you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 23:27

I don't think it is. I think I think the stuff that is going on in america right now, I think like, first of all, it's just. It's just also fake and I don't. I can't bring myself to even care about politics anymore when I don't believe any of it, like I don't know what's real, I don't know what, I don't, I don't care anymore, like they. They have no. Israel just claimed the strikes on iran were coordinated.

Speaker 2 23:48

Of course they were and I'm sure they were well, well, you have trump getting everybody out of the embassies. You have trump getting everybody non-essential personnel, that that's just prudent.

Speaker 3 24:02

You know, if he knew israel was going to do it?

Speaker 2 24:04

but that's but if he. He knew Israel was going to do it. But if he knows Israel's going to do it, that means Israel's doing it in coordination with our intelligence.

Speaker 3 24:10

Not always, not necessarily.

Speaker 2 24:13

Yeah, but.

Speaker 3 24:14

I think it is the case yeah, we're getting it from Twitter.

Speaker 2 24:18

Twitter is actually the best place for news it is. It is by far the best place for news Like it's not even. It's not even close.

Speaker 2 24:26

You get things as they're happening yeah, israeli media and 12 says the operation in iran is in coordination with the us all of this, all of this, all of this, so like when we had Mars, friday the 13th, when we had Maud's, leon it's it's interesting because I, I it's it's so crazy how my position has like been evolving on this issue because we've, like I, I never, I never even cared about this topic ever. And then I started just seeing weird things happening and then I just started paying attention to Maudsley. And when we had Father Maudsley on because before he came on, I would have probably taken the position that Israel has a natural right to exist, they don't have a divine right I never would have taken that position. I always, I always understood the enmity between the older brother in in scripture. So like that, and and what's funny is I, I actually got that from Scott Hahn, like it's not, you know.

Speaker 2 25:37

So like the fact that those guys are kind of silent on this is what irks me, because all of my biblical understanding, like my theological understanding of the story of Cain and Abel, and seeing how, even when, when Jesus is talking to the prodigal son, when the father is telling, when Jesus is telling the story of the prodigal son, the older brother represents Israel and the younger brother represents the Gentiles, like all of these stories are symbolic in explaining how the people of the old covenant, they reject the new covenant and God.

Speaker 2 26:16

So it's not. The covenant doesn't go to the firstborn, it goes to the second born, like it goes to the, the gentiles. All of that and my understanding of that comes from the saint paul center for biblical theology like listening to scott hans talks and then to see those guys not speak on this issue is actually heartbreaking. So I would have held the position that, oh, israel has, like, a natural right to the land, but I I didn't understand it the way I do now until I spoke with maudsley and understanding it as no, actually the, the modern state of israel is the kingdom of satan getting his foothold in the world, and it has. It has a lot to do with the beast that was, is no longer and then returns in the apocalypse. It's like Rome was the beast that was and is no longer and then returns in the end times and understanding that Israel is the one coordinating this, like Israel is the return of Rome.

Speaker 3 27:30

So that's what the father saw.

Speaker 2 27:32

It has a lot to do with America too, because Israel is using America as like a puppet to do its bidding. But to not see it as that, I don't, I don't, I don't know how to not see it as that, you know, it's just see it as that, I don't I don't, I don't know how to not see it as that.

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Speaker 3 27:46

You know, it's just. It's just like how? Um the jews, after the diaspora, after the, the sacking of the temple in jerusalem, you know they, they used imperial rome to attack christians. Yeah, you know, they're the ones that were spreading the, the rumors of, of cannibalism and things like that, to get you know to look, if you guys go and read the Jewish revolutionary spirit, like they are behind every major revolution.

Speaker 2 28:16

All of them are to undermine Christendom, so that even the Protestant Reformation, things like that. They're all behind all of that because they want to, they want, they hate Christendom. We are the younger brother who says that the covenant now rests with us and the God of Abraham, isaac and Jacob has chosen us. We are now the chosen people. So that has been going on for thousands of years and they're finally in a position where they've basically neutered Christendom because people don't even understand this anymore, to the point where you have Catholics and Protestants being Zionists. It is the most preposterous position to take as a Catholic to be a Zionist. It is, it is just insane.

Speaker 2 29:01

And all of the things that we're seeing, in my opinion, I mean, even when you look at everything Trump is doing, trump is it's just like he's yeah, he's just, he's just their puppet, it's just enraging man. It's like I don't know, I don't so so so I have a choice. Like do you sit there and you harp on this stuff? Because there's there's two, two things that happen to you when you do this. You see, it happens with everybody. It's like you either become the guy who sees that, that the people, the old covenant behind everything, or you just say, okay, I have to, I have to make sure I don't fall victim to the thing, the traps they've set. So it's like don't get yourself into debt by paying for a boat motor you can't afford, don't, don't get addicted to pornography like.

Speaker 3 29:51

Those are two very, very important ones stay away from honestly just popular media in general.

Speaker 2 29:59

Yeah, movies, music, tv, you know all it's so difficult because it's everywhere. It's saturated into our culture. Feminism is that it's just everywhere, so it's like we have to. Yeah, like usury is the craziest one man.

Speaker 3 30:19

Which is so hard in modern life.

Speaker 2 30:21

It's so hard because the way they've set it up it's like Like I rent right now.

Speaker 3 30:30

Right, how could I ever buy a house without usury?

Speaker 2 30:34

So okay, but usury, if you get a, A mortgage is usury.

Speaker 3 30:38

A mortgage is usury.

Speaker 2 30:39

You think so Because if you could get a loan at 4%, that's kind of keeping with inflation, like if something keeps with inflation, that's not usury.

Speaker 3 30:47

Usury is the 20% credit card. I don't think there's any mortgage right now for 4% man.

Speaker 2 30:54

Not right now.

Speaker 3 30:55

I don't think so.

Speaker 2 30:56

I mean, yeah, I'm kind of grandfathered in, I don't know, but if you could get a mortgage at 4%, that's not technically usury.

Speaker 3 31:05

Yeah, technically is. Usury is making interest man.

Speaker 2 31:11

Yes, but inflation does go up.

Speaker 2 31:15

So anything that's kind of keeping in line with inflation, I don't think is considered usury. Usury is like if you have a credit card or a car loan, something like that, that's charging 17%, 20%, like that is legit usury. But I don't know if a mortgage is a mortgage is indentured servitude, not because of the loan, because of house prices, because I don't think. 4%, yeah, if there's six and a half, 7%, that's now you're getting into usury territory. That's where I'm at. I. If they're 6.5%, 7%, that's now you're getting into usury territory. That's where I'm at. I have 4.25% and I don't think that's technically usury.

Speaker 3 31:52

It would have been up until the 19th century, the church would have definitely considered that usury.

Speaker 2 31:58

Yeah, but now.

Speaker 3 32:00

So say I were to buy a $150,000 house, which in our area is average or above average, even actually At 4% over a 30-year mortgage for a $150,000 house, the bank is getting $257,000. They're making $107,000.

Speaker 2 32:21

But you're paying it over 30 years and inflation is going up through that time not dub, not almost double yeah, I mean, yeah, I, I don't know, I'm not, I'm not, no, I'm not at all that.

Speaker 2 32:35

I'm saying I'm trying to find the actual definition of usury. I think because I and I'm going based on, uh, e michael jones that's where I this from, I'm not just spewing things off the top of my head. I've heard E Michael Jones speak on usury and you'll never find anybody more critical of it than him, and his position was if you have a mortgage with an interest rate of under 4%, that's not usury, that's keeping with inflation. So if you're keeping with inflation, that's okay, because people can't loan you money and lose money.

Speaker 3 33:09

You have to understand. Inflation itself is purposeful. It's part of the Jewish banking system. Yes, yes.

Speaker 2 33:15

But it is what it is True. So somebody lends you $157,000. They can't lose money on that loan. 157 000 like they, they can't lose money on that loan. And if they lend you 157 000, you pay that over 30 years. That's that they. You know they need to make their three percent to keep up with inflation, otherwise they will lose money on it.

Speaker 2 33:35

Um, uh, next time look at your mortgage payment. What percent goes to principal? Oh yeah, that's, that is the issue, right, so they get their. They get their interest up front. So if you have a 30-year mortgage, your best bet is to pay an extra 100 or 200 every month to try and knock that principal balance down way quicker. They, they hate that. Um, I'm just trying to be like, actually like correct on this issue. I'm not. But yeah, you can't Rob the average home. The median home price on Long Island now, 700 grand that's crazy. That's, the median home price on Long Island is $700,000. That is insane. Like, do you know? Do you know what you get for 700 grand on long island? It's, it's like a, a small ranch, a one-story ranch.

Speaker 3 34:31

It's nothing yeah, I think, uh, no backyard. I think the house we're in now would probably sell for 130 and it's 2500 square feet.

Speaker 2 34:41

Yeah, yeah, see now, yeah, I think, I think you can beat the system If you put a signal like, if you put 30% down, 40% down, and then you, like I said, you make an extra two 300 a month on top of your mortgage payment to kill that that principal balance down, like you can, you have to do what you can to avoid paying exorbitant amounts of interest. But it's just, you know, for, for, like, my son, to buy a home on long island, I I don't know how that's gonna happen. My son's not gonna be able to live on long island and own a home. Like it's not even attainable. For for kids growing up here it's not even attainable, I don't know.

Speaker 2 35:20

So, um, we're gonna get theo uh howard on from uh, the two cities podcast and he did an episode recently on um, the way of little chris and them, but a majority of that episode is talking about the banking system and how, like, everything is already on a trajectory to crumble. It just is everything. Everything's going to crumble. So what we have to do is start to build during this time. Yeah, find ways to build during this time so when the infrastructure crumbles, we have something there to sustain us. Um, yeah, dude taffy's an attorney and home ownership anywhere near his family is impossible. So I mean, yeah, it just is.

Speaker 2 36:09

So now what we were looking to do was kind of discuss how does Pope Leo, as an American because he has to be paying attention to what's going on here, right Like he's an American and he's seeing these riots pop off in America and he's seeing America now starting to go to war with Iran Like how is that going to interplay an American pope with the American crisis that's going on? And I don't know. I don't know, because this, this papacy, has seemed to me thus far to be a bit boring, and I'm not saying that's not necessarily a bad thing.

Speaker 2 36:45

No, it's not. It's better than what we had, but he's he's just. It seems like he's trying to play it so safe on everything that you know we were. We were talking about personnel issues, like, okay, so maybe we'll start getting some answers through the personnel decisions, but then I just I saw today that he decided to go with um to this. He decided to go with tuco fernandez as the as the head of the ddf congregation. Yeah, the ddf, the dicastery for divine, uh, foricastry, as Mark Roberts would call it, the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, the CDF is so much better.

Speaker 2 37:31

Why did Francis change all those Dicasteries? I don't know. Let's play the Michael Haynes tweet I put. It's basically just Father Murray, he was on with Conor Gallagher talking about fernandez and I don't know this isn't confirmed yet, it hasn't been a public announcement by the vatican, but there is a lot of rumors going around that pope leo met with tuco fernandez today and confirmed him as to continue at the ddf as the head of the ddf and he and he said to him can I count on you? And to go said yes, you can count on me, and he chose him to stay on at that position, which is devastating. Like we, I was really hoping leo was going to bring some of bring sarah back yeah, like, and bring carnal burke in and bring like.

Speaker 2 38:20

That's what we were hoping for, but I don't. I don't know if that's going to happen. You know, and it's like the the as safe as leo's playing it. He also seems to still be trying to justify the entire francis papacy with the things that he's doing.

Speaker 1 38:38

So let's play the father marie clip cardinal fernandez, who was pope cdf francis is. He's the cdf and he was his close ally. Yeah, ghost writer. Yeah, um, my opinion shouldn't be in the job. I don't think he's qualified and I don't think he's done a good job, so maybe he'll go.

Speaker 4 38:59

We don't know I think that's a really important one to watch you. I mean Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith. Right Now. This is what Ratzinger had, and I think that's when he got well-known, and then Cardinal Mueller was in there for a while. He was there for five years and then at the time Bishop Fernandez went in and then I guess he was made a cardinal.

Speaker 6 39:21

That's correct.

Speaker 4 39:21

All right, so this is the guy who wrote the famous book Heal Me With your Mouth the Art of Kissing in 1995. Yeah, what the hell is that about?

Speaker 1 39:35

This is a question that's going to be looked at by historians. Why did Pope Francis surround himself with people who are manifestly unsuited to the position? They had Catholic priests writing a book on kissing as some kind of spiritual, mystical way of looking at life. No, put that in the garbage. Get yourself a real interest. That's according to what the bishop and the priest are supposed to do. No, cardinal Fernandez is unsuited to the job and I hope that he loses the job because I don't think he's done a good job there at all. But, on the other hand, he did a good job for Pope Francis because Pope Francis put him there and kept him there.

Speaker 1 40:15

So this will be a sea change. Either we get a new approach or more of the same.

Speaker 4 40:21

And Cardinal Fernandez really comes up. Was he in the conclave then he would been yeah I'm sure um, but uh, he, he would have um we could cut it.

Speaker 2 40:30

It's just. I think he wrote.

Speaker 3 40:32

It's just super you hearing thunder no I couldn't tell if it was in the clip or if I was hearing it outside maybe, maybe I wasn't paying close enough attention, but it just, it's just.

Speaker 2 40:48

I'm. I'm looking for these little things from Pope Leo too, because he's doing a lot of gestures to make us think he's you know, he brought what, what was it yeah? We hope that it was his decision to get the rupnik stuff off the vatican. And then he also returned the practice of placing the pallium on the new bishops and, like he's trying, to be appointed a chinese bishop before consulting china an underground bishop too yeah so, um, but they did approve it.

Israel Attacks Iran

Speaker 2 41:23

Yes, it's just hard to get a read on him and I want to get some substance from him. Look, it's better to have a boring papacy than what we went through, but at the same time, some things need to be done and I'm hoping to get those from him. I'm hoping the signals we got in Charlotte, with Bishop Martin backing off a little bit, are, you know, a signal for the liturgy. I mean, it's just such an easy one, right, just rescind Traditionionis, like. It's just such an easy one Like. Everybody will be happy. There's nobody that wants tradition owners, except for like vile people, like only the like. If you wanted tradition owners, you're a vile person, I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 42:13

Like you, you, yeah, that's, you're just, you're like, you're you're if you think in any way it was justified, go kick, kick rocks.

Speaker 2 42:23

Yeah, I just, I just think it was just a disgusting move to make and I I don't. You know, it's like if you, if you're happy, if you were somebody who like reveled in that and we're happy about that, like, because it's not just about liturgy, it's about these communities that were formed and a parish is a family formed and a parish is a family. So you had these parishes that formed, were together for years and people driving from pretty far distances to make those communities work. They were very close, tight-knit communities and then they just get shattered because a bishop says, yeah, we're going to get rid of this, we're no longer going to make the request to Rome, and it's not just about the liturgy, it's about the family that was built there and it's like for all the talk of fraternity and all this stuff, it's like you are, I don't know it, just it's one of those things that just like, I think it's like sociopathic for somebody to cheer that on. I really do.

Speaker 3 43:27

It's like a sociopathy to to cheer something like that on, because it I mean we were just talking about, like the, the blood lust and wanting to cheer on the shock and awe like yeah yeah, similar to that.

Speaker 2 43:38

Yeah, so maybe we were being a bit sociopath, but we were also so we were also brainwashed like, but before shock and awe happens, right, like we were fed all this propaganda and we were brainwashed. So is that the same thing that's happening to people who cheered on tradition? It's like they like it depends what news sources you're reading, it depends the circles you run in but they're being told trads are trying to undermine the church and tragedy. So when they see tradition, the onus comes down, they're happy because they think that's actually like. I don't know man.

Speaker 2 44:13

I think our biggest issue that we're facing in the church is people making caricatures of the other side and you don't see them. You just see them as a caricature of this villain you've made in your head. So that's how they see us and they like I've seen how Mike Lewis and the where Peter is crowd speaks about trads they think all trads are this caricature they've invented in their head that just are like they. They think they're evil. It's so. It's so bizarre to me.

Speaker 2 44:49

Like the people that I know at these traditional parishes, they're just trying to live their Catholic faith out. They're just trying to raise their children to get to heaven. I know all the men that go there and they have a ton of kids and they're just like I just want to get my kids to heaven. That's the main purpose of what they're doing at these things and they're viewed as evil by people who don't share the same ideology. Now, look, I I do make like jokes teasing about the Novus Ordo, but I also know there are plenty of Novus Ordo communities that are very similar to what I'm talking about. Like they're just a very tight knit community. They're a family and they're doing their best to get their children to heaven. So this isn't a Novus Ordo traditional liturgy thing. It's more about the parish community being a family and having that family being broken up and torn apart. I think you and I, because of our experiences, we also have a caricature of the Novus Ordo in our head.

Speaker 3 45:54

It's not a caricature. If it's accurate.

Speaker 2 45:57

No but.

Speaker 3 46:01

I mean, I'm probably more, I have more experience with the Novus Ordo than most of the people who defend the Novus Ordo.

Speaker 2 46:08

Yeah.

Speaker 3 46:09

I have a more varied, well-rounded, probably closer to the truth, experience than your. You know your person who has a unicorn core, Novus Ordo, and defends all Novus Ordo.

Speaker 2 46:26

Yeah that, but that's a different, that's right. So we've we've spoken about that before Like, if you have a traditional Novus Ordo, like which is a contradiction in terms.

Speaker 2 46:35

Yeah, it's like to act like they all are like that. It is kind of a contradiction in terms. But to act like they're all like that and defend them all as if that's the norm is a weird thing to do. But like my my post the other day about mass attire, right, so, like a Novus Ordo lit, because this is actually true, if the few times I have attended the Novus Ordo, I do not wear the same clothes I would wear to a traditional liturgy, like I will wear jeans and t-shirt to a Novus Ordo, because they don't want to stand out, my kids will not wear their, they will not wear the dress they wear to the tradition, like I probably would.

Speaker 2 47:20

Now I'm talking because it's been a while since I've been to a novus ordo, but like so now, like I probably would just to, just to like, if I'm going to the holy sacrifice, you act a certain way, but I'm just saying like, the liturgy itself actually conditions you to wear clothes that are less like, not less modest. Like it's just so casual. The liturgy itself is so casual. Yes, the liturgy it's up, you're right, it's just very casual. Right, like so you're going in and there are people in flip-flops and there are people in their sweatpants, people that just rolled out of bed and they went right to mass in the morning and now like if you're going to the priestly vestments itself are less priest isn't wearing a maniple right, it's not, doesn't have the beretta, you know, uh, everything is just so ordered in almost militaristic right in the tlm, where it is just so formal it it.

Speaker 3 48:17

It makes you want to be a part of that right because, you're following your priest, you're following the lead, whereas the the the cat, the novus ordo is a, is a casual dinner at olive garden.

Speaker 2 48:29

You know what I mean, like, but it's also, look, there's something to social pressure too, like. Do you remember when Jordan Peterson caught a bunch of crap for saying, um, he said like something about like, um, like something about monogamy, like, uh, social pressure for monogamy, and people, people interpreted it as him saying like arranged marriages and forced marriage. He was talking about how, like shaming people who are sleeping around is what he was saying Like social pressure to like shame people who are sleeping around? So it's kind of like a forced social monogamy where, like, you praise the people who have monogamous relationships and those relationships last and marriages, let you lift those up, and the people who don't do that, you kind of shame them. And it's the same thing with the, with the liturgy, and address what we should do with everything.

Speaker 2 49:29

So, if you so, uh, when we spoke with nancy charles, nancy charles talked about her first time going into a latin mass. She was dressed because nancy charles was on the verge of becoming trans, right, so she was almost wearing like boys clothes, like she was wearing, like you know, shorts and a t-shirt, and she was dressed very and like male attire and when she went there she kind of like felt awkward being there right, because everybody else there was dressed really nice. So her second time going she was dressed more appropriately when she went. Now, when you go to a nova sordo, if you're dressed very nicely you kind of stand out because everybody else is dressed down and casual.

Speaker 3 50:12

Yeah, but see, I'm as as wrong as it might be to to dress down to fit in, I go the opposite direction. Well, yeah, I do things specifically to you do the Tolkien thing.

Speaker 2 50:30

Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I understand that. That's why I said if I went now, I would probably handle it differently. I'm talking, I'm trying to trying to think of how I had always gone, you know, before, before, recent times. Like it's just you would. You would purposely try to fit in because you like the.

Speaker 2 50:51

it's just the way it is no, I, I understand yeah you know so, but when you go to a traditional liturgy, everyone there is dressed up, so you'd feel like an idiot being in sweatpants or jeans and a hoodie, like you just kind of feel silly. But man, all right. So before we get off of here, um, there was a couple things I wanted to touch on. Wait, oh what. We're gonna stay on here a little longer. We have a guest coming is the guest gonna be a little late. He's about 15 minutes out, so we're gonna stay on here.

Speaker 2 51:30

We have a surprise guest coming on, guys. You guys want to stick around for this one, so hang on, let me just see. All right, so we got a couple of things. Lindsey Graham.

Speaker 3 51:44

Lindsey Graham tweeted game on Pray for Israel. Of course he did.

Father Maudsley and Biblical Prophecy

Speaker 2 51:52

You want to play the Brooklyn protester to? I don't know. I feel like we kind of played that topic out. I don't even care anymore. Bishop in Charlotte Martin, who banned the Latin Mass, brings in Father Casey into his diocese. We could do that.

Speaker 2 52:11

There's the you want to do my tweet, the the brian holdsworth's steve skojek argument. Let's do that. Let's do that. That's actually a really good one. Let's go with that. So I tweeted out there was a guy who had a fight with a chick. Well, a chick stepped to a guy. It's my tweet. I put I wouldn't do that. Uh, I don't think I would have hit the woman. That's my tweet, okay. So I tweeted something out and brian holdsworth and steve skojak are kind of like going at it a little bit over it. So I I show I sent my tweet, but like, go up to show the video first. Let's show the video and we'll.

Speaker 3 52:51

I want to hear your opinion there's nothing I love more than the anthony's twitter review show well, the video itself is a good, good subject starter.

Speaker 2 53:00

I want to see if you think this guy went too far I've.

Speaker 3 53:03

I've already seen it all right. Well, you gotta play. It's a video from like 10 years ago.

Speaker 2 53:08

Just play it. It we're going to play for the audience.

Speaker 3 53:11

I'm trying to find it. Is it before or after the?

Speaker 2 53:17

Carnival Cruise tweet. No, I sent the tweet to the thing. Just click on that and then scroll up. Go to your messages. It says I don't think I would have hit the woman, because that's just me.

Speaker 3 53:28

You sent 30 things.

Speaker 2 53:30

Just the one I'm telling you to do?

Speaker 3 53:32

I'm trying to find it.

Speaker 2 53:34

I send a lot of stuff because I need to have options. I don't know where the conversation is going to go.

Speaker 3 53:39

You always want to use the worst possible way I'm going to bring it up.

Speaker 2 53:43

Do you need me to do it? Because I can do this. You got it. All right, you got it Because you're way better at this than me. Alright, you got it Because you're way better at this than me. I don't want to start bringing videos up.

Speaker 3 53:56

I wish Israel bombed you. Sorry, I don't mean that Israel Don't bomb them?

Speaker 2 54:03

They might, yeah, alright. So let's see, there's a guy and a gal are having an argument and she hits him and he reacts. Keep it on because, watch her, look at her.

Speaker 3 54:29

Look at this drama.

Speaker 2 54:30

Pretending she got hurt worse than she did.

Speaker 3 54:32

Oh, and I'm pretty sure she's on drugs or like she's intoxicated somehow.

Speaker 2 54:40

I just think she's milking it. I don't believe her. All right, so go down to Brian Holdsworth. So I said, did he go too far? Brian Holdsworth said yes, justice demands only a proportional response. He's much stronger than her. Further charity demands us to go further than the dictates of justice, uh, to love even our enemies. If it were me, I would avoid first, or I would avoid first or neutralize at most brian, you're canadian.

Speaker 3 55:11

If it was you, you would let us invade never mind.

Speaker 2 55:15

No, so I actually understand his point right. So if a woman was doing that to me, I personally might not react the way that guy did, like I don't think I would have knocked a woman out I won't.

Speaker 3 55:29

He didn't. He pushed her away. That's all woman out?

Speaker 2 55:38

I won't. He didn't. He pushed her away, that's all. He's not to blame for her flying back five feet. I I agree with you. I so like my my. My point is I may not have personally done what he did. I still don't think I would ever put my hands on a woman. I just don't think I would. But I don't know, like if a woman's hits you in the face as a stranger, like who are you like?

Speaker 3 55:55

there's so many situations like I I don't know. You know it depends is my. Are my kids right there behind me? On that case, I'm sorry that woman's getting more than a push yeah.

Speaker 2 56:07

So my, my, I personally don't know if I would put my hands on a woman. I would have to be pushed very far to put my hands on a woman. I just would Like I've never hit a woman in my entire life. I just don't see something like that happening. But at the same time, I have absolutely no pity for this woman. I don't feel bad for her. I don't have any empathy for her and I think this man was justified in what he did.

Speaker 3 56:36

Like is she intoxicated? Well then, once again, I'm probably doing more than pushing her because she's she's not capable of rational or reasonable thought. So, yeah, in that case oh gosh, I almost said something very bad. Like you are obviously still dealing with a human being, but you're not dealing with the human being that is capable of acting like a human being. You know what I mean. Like you're almost dealing with the wild animal at that point.

Speaker 2 57:00

Oh, my gosh. So wait, let's go through, let's go through. So Brian Holdsworth then says All right. So Steve Skojec says BS, BS to Brian's tweet.

Speaker 2 57:11

Twitter threads and then bs to brian's twitter threads and then, uh, brian says well, it's interesting, because brian's perspective, it's not my perspective. That's why, if a 10 year old hit you, would you knock them out and feel justified in doing it? I sure hope not. That's because you're way stronger and shouldn't feel so threatened by someone who is in a danger to you that you need to return, shot for shot, with your full strength okay, but but by pushing her away, are you especially if she's intoxicated are you preventing her from doing something that is going to force you to do even more?

Speaker 2 57:43

you know, I mean you're going to make me defend brian's position here. No, you know that's what you're about to do, okay oh, do you want?

Speaker 3 57:51

do you want me to take brian's position?

Speaker 2 57:52

no, I'm just saying like I'm gonna have to defend brian's position, because I think we all our bid is to always yes, we can't agree so which position do you want?

Speaker 2 58:01

I'll take the other one no, I'm taking brian's position so well, you're stupid, all right. The question of deserve is a question of justice. What is owed? He hit her way harder than she hit him and is a, uh and in a way, more vulnerable spot. A he's stronger and b he knows where to hit. The proof is in the fact that he's still standing and she's knocked out. It's not proportional. He's. I don't think. She's not that, brian, I can't think it's okay.

Speaker 3 58:27

But here's like define proportional. She used probably 80 of her strength. He used 10 of his.

Speaker 2 58:36

If anything, it was a disproportional response on his part in the opposite direction I'm trying to, yeah, dude, because if that was a man, I'd have knocked his teeth out, like if it was a man, a fist would have went right through his teeth and I actually disagree with that.

Speaker 3 58:56

Like, if a man is pushing me, like, I'll push back. You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 59:01

Like, like no well, like you said, if my family's there, dude oh yeah, it depends on so much.

Speaker 3 59:07

Where are we? Who's with me? Yeah, are they intoxicated? Uh, you know what like is. Are they a group of people? I was out.

Speaker 2 59:18

I was out at a restaurant and, uh, I was out with. I was out with another couple and my wife and there was a group of 10 guys maybe I'm exaggerating, maybe it was like six guys that were out at the same place and this guy kept staring at my wife, looking at my wife, and I'm like, whatever, I don't care, he's looking at my wife. He then pulled on her scarf, like my wife had a scarf on and he pulled on my wife's scarf. I don't think I've ever snapped like this in my life, like I grabbed this kid and threw him into the wall so hard and I scared the ever-living crap out of him and then, like for good measure, we went and sat down at the table and I was just so heated about it, like I wanted to hit this kid so bad, and I saw him and all his friends outside smoking a cigarette, like six of them, and I went outside to smoke a cigarette just to look at the kid, like I wanted him to start a fight with me, so like if it's a man.

Speaker 2 1:00:17

It's a very different situation for me, but I think my tolerance level for a woman pestering me would be infinitely higher, like if a woman even gets on my face and starts hitting me like I I don't think I would hit like. I would just be like get away from me. You would just be like get away from me, you annoying thing, just get away from me. I might raise my voice and I might just be like I'm going to clench my teeth.

Speaker 3 1:00:43

It would take a lot for me to hit. I think pushing him away, pushing her away, swiping her feet off from under, like getting to a point where she has to stop right, well, no, uh, have you ever done it to a woman? It's so easy. They're like so naturally off.

Speaker 2 1:01:03

Yeah, they're just so uncoordinated they really are you're a tiny, you're used to the spicy women. I don't know it's, it's so I don't think brian holds where it's ever been in a fight. Uh, rob's doing a triangle joke.

Speaker 3 1:01:22

Go to sleep. Okay, guys, this is.

Speaker 2 1:01:29

This is an hour old at this point axios is reporting israel just launched an airstrike against Syria. May God have mercy on our souls. Yeah, I think this is going to escalate. I don't think this is going to be like Iraq.

Speaker 3 1:01:41

What do you mean? We were in Iraq for 10 years.

Speaker 2 1:01:46

I think this spreads wider.

Speaker 3 1:01:48

Okay.

Speaker 2 1:01:49

That's what I mean. I'm not saying this is not going to be a 20-year war. I think this spreads wider and I think it spreads rapidly.

Speaker 3 1:01:56

Okay, but where does it spread to? Because, like Iran, doesn't have a ton of allies in the Middle East, like they hate Saudi Arabia, syria is out of the game at this point, you know. So I mean you have Hezbollah in Lebanon and stuff, but like it depends, depends, like what Russia does, I don't know. It'll be interesting.

Speaker 2 1:02:25

I think we'll be at war with Russia soon.

Speaker 3 1:02:29

It's looking more and more likely.

Speaker 2 1:02:31

I just think we'll be at war with Russia soon. I think that I think we'll be at war with Russia soon. I think that I think we'll be at war with Russia and China, like I think it's going to be China, china. I think it's going to be a world war and you're going to see Okay, but why?

Speaker 3 1:02:48

Like why? What causes this to escalate into?

Speaker 2 1:02:52

that I just think evil spirits are upon the earth at this point, like I really do think christendom is done and I think the, the, the demons, have been released from the abyss, and I think there's just violence on its way and I don't know. Now I thought our guest voice of reason was coming on voice of reason voice of reason is supposed to where's voice of reason. Hold on, where's where's voice of reason.

Speaker 3 1:03:31

Paul's Ant Wenday is basically wait.

Speaker 2 1:03:38

what happened when he said Ant Wenday is? No, I do think I man. I think Francis is the star who fell from heaven and opened the key to the abyss in the apocalypse. That is what I think. I think Francis was the high churchman, because a star from heaven is symbolic of a high churchman, like a very high bishop who fell from heaven and opened the key to the bottomless pit. Like, if you read Apocalypse 9, it talks about that, and what bishop has the keys to the bottomless pit? And I think that was Francis, and I think his papacy released demons upon the earth and I think what we're dealing with now is demonic influence upon the nations, like throughout all of the world. I think that there is demonic influence throughout the world I, like this is homemaker, has a point here.

Speaker 3 1:04:47

You just had a.

Speaker 2 1:04:47

You just did a show with Majorian talking about dating, yeah, but look, I may think that, but I don't know that you also think it, but you also don't prepare for it. No, I am preparing for it, though.

Speaker 3 1:05:08

Yeah, you're getting your boat fixed.

Speaker 2 1:05:11

Yeah, dude, I have to. I need my boat to escape New york.

Speaker 5 1:05:18

What?

Speaker 2 1:05:18

do you mean um?

Speaker 3 1:05:18

how many do you, how many ghost guns you could have bought off franz for 20k?

Speaker 2 1:05:29

I have my bug out plan. I downloaded my freaking maps. I know how to get to your damn house. All right, I'm coming to you.

Speaker 7 1:05:36

Wait your mom's here.

Speaker 3 1:05:41

Yeah, good you can, my mom's got extra room for you guys.

Speaker 2 1:05:45

Oh, laura, I cannot wait to meet you at the uh baptism.

Speaker 3 1:05:49

I'm so excited, I can wait.

Speaker 2 1:05:51

I cannot wait to meet your mom, rob. Do you think this will further our lady of fatima? Yes, I think that. Um, I think that maliki martin spoke about salvation coming from the east and russia playing a very big part in the fulfillment of fatima. Um, we are going to interview an author who wrote a book on maliki martin, so that will be an interesting topic to get into with him. Um, oh, sorry god, if iran wants to retaliate, they'll need to use other countries airspace. Those countries are the first place it will spread the region will pick sides quickly if it starts spiraling.

Speaker 2 1:06:30

Oh, voice of reasons here. All right guys.

Speaker 3 1:06:33

So are you? Are you gonna apologize to him for what you said about?

Speaker 2 1:06:37

no, no, we'll get into this, alex oh, oh wait.

Speaker 7 1:06:40

Did somebody say something about me, or, alex? I mean I like jokes, I make jokes all the time, but I mean jokes are one thing, but uh, I mean if you're talking crap, then I don't know.

Speaker 2 1:06:55

So here's the thing I do. I might owe you an apology, like so you went on with George Janko recently and yeah it's my boy. Yeah, I came down pretty hard, like you did that episode and I came out pretty hard. You did that episode and I came out pretty hard. I was like. I was like you know, because I don't understand why you, you seem to like the Protestants better than than some Catholics and I don't get it. What's going on with that?

Speaker 7 1:07:24

Well, I mean, it's not that I like them better, but I mean until Catholics are having bigger platforms.

Speaker 4 1:07:30

That I could you know go Until Catholics started having bigger platforms that I could go in the park at.

Pope Leo and Church Politics

Speaker 7 1:07:35

Right now, george Jenko. I mean nothing, but nothing. But George Jenko, he's really killing it in the views and you can't hear the voice if you don't have the views.

Speaker 3 1:07:47

At least he's not a schismatic heretic like the SSBX right.

Speaker 7 1:07:52

That's right? No, absolutely, Because the SSBX they're schismatic heretics. And because they are, then that means that that's what they are.

Speaker 3 1:08:02

So I do have a question, Alex who is your favorite non-Catholic supposed saint? Is it Photius or is it Palamas?

Speaker 7 1:08:12

Well, photius did a lot of good things, is it? Is it Photius, or is it a Palamas? Well, photius did a lot of good things. I'm sorry, blessed Photius, a lot of great things, and but I mean, you know, if they were here today and they and either one of them had a big like a token, like a big podcast, I probably have to, well, really look at the analytics. But I noticed you. I noticed you called me voice of reason. Listen, we're on a. You're my boy, both of you, guys, my boys. You could just call me voice. We're on a first name basis, so you couldn't even call me V.

Speaker 2 1:08:52

V, you couldn't even call me v v um I the thing is I, honestly, now that you and I have, uh, mended our divide, because I, like it was really upsetting to me because I, you know, I was pretty harsh on you in that video and you know that it wasn't right. So I do owe you an apology and I'm sorry that I came down and you know I had ruslan in that, in that chat, and you know he he gave me a fraternal correction and I, right away I I felt bad.

Speaker 7 1:09:19

So absolutely, ruslan's my boy um shout out to ruslan yes, and he got he has a huge channel. Dude, I don't even know what I'm doing on here. I mean mean, your views are pretty good, but I got to say it's not. Like you know, I have a podcast next week. I'm doing Sam Harris's podcast. And then who's that other atheist guy? And they're my boys.

Speaker 2 1:09:49

So here's what I'm getting at, because you got your beginnings with Michael Lofton. You guys did a lot of rap videos together. You guys are from the hood. Do you think you could mend the fence between Michael and I? Because I think it's time that we bury the hatchet and maybe move on from this whole drama, because me and Michael we have a lot of tension between us, but you seem to be in tight with him. You think maybe you could mend the fence, because me and Michael we have a lot of tension between us, but you seem to be in tight with him. You think maybe you could mend the fence between me and Michael.

Speaker 7 1:10:18

Well, I don't want to make promises, but I will say you know, the spirit of forgiveness is something that we all as Christians, especially non-denominational those are my boys, that and you know. And the songs are really good, that and you know. And the song is really good and you know I like songs and if songs are good makes me want to put my both my hands up and sway and but that's besides the point, like we're about forgiveness, and so I really think that the path to forgiveness, because you're both christian, is probably very, but, that being said, because it's you probably not.

Speaker 2 1:10:55

I don't think Michael will ever forgive me.

Speaker 5 1:10:57

All right.

Speaker 2 1:10:57

So before we head over to locals, does anybody in the chat have any questions for Alex?

Speaker 3 1:11:02

We have a couple things here. So, first off, one of your Orthodox co-religionist voice of reason says here that Michael Lofton is his favorite rapper. Do you prefer Michael Lofton or Father David Michael Moses?

Speaker 7 1:11:18

You know what I gotta say Christian Mario? I know he was just messing around and doing a parody, but I think Christian Mario did Lofton better than Lofton. And the fact that he's not.

Speaker 7 1:11:32

Catholic actually makes me like him a lot better. Speaking of not Catholic and speaking of Orthodox, my Orthodox brothers shout out. I just wanted. I saw a comment here about the Ubi Petrus debate, and because I saw a comment about the Ubi Petrus debate, then I want to say something about it. And because I want to say something about it, the thing I'm going to say is that, technically, I mean, a lot of people say it's subjective, like whether you move the audience to your position or not, and the goal really isn't to move the other person, and I understand that. But because I understand that, I would say that he drank more sips of water than I did, and when he did hisbuttal his mouth was dry and made that clicky sound about seven times, and so mine made it probably two to be conservative, and so I think that's a clear win. It's a clear W. Shout out to my boy.

Speaker 2 1:12:27

Yeah, I actually. I thought the I'll tell you this. Okay, so you, I think when you debated James White, that was my favorite debate you ever did.

Speaker 7 1:12:41

Shout out to James.

Speaker 2 1:12:42

White. Yeah, james, me too. I'm going to shout out James White. James White put us on the map. He did an entire sermon on one of my tweets one time, so, but you did a debate with him. That was actually really, really good, and it taught me some, some ways to discuss purgatory that I had never thought of, so I was very grateful for that, but I think you bombed in the Ubi Petrus debate. I gotta be honest.

Speaker 7 1:13:06

Yeah, that's what a lot of people say. But yet again, if you look at the amount of water bottles that will be crushed, I mean that's a W right there. That means you're nervous, that means you're sweating, that means you're losing and that means I won.

Speaker 3 1:13:21

But he ended more hydrated. Isn't that a win?

Speaker 2 1:13:25

No, I think Alex is right If you drank more water, you were more nervous. And Alex is right.

Speaker 7 1:13:29

He delayed the meet and greet afterwards because he had to go to the bathroom. You were more nervous, and Alex's. He delayed the meet and greet afterwards because he had to go to the bathroom.

Speaker 3 1:13:34

Would you have drank more requisite wine than he would have?

Speaker 7 1:13:38

Requisite wine. If they had a good promo code, then yeah. Like based, for instance yeah, if it was promo code based for I don't know what would that give me?

Speaker 2 1:13:52

10% off.

Speaker 7 1:13:54

Then I would buy it. I would just want to pronounce a little differently. Sorry, reku isn't. Reku isn't.

Speaker 2 1:14:03

The big question everybody wants to know war on beauty or religious hippie?

Speaker 7 1:14:08

Oh, that's tough. And because that's tough, then I'm thinking's tough, then I'm thinking. And because I'm thinking, that means what that means is I forgot both names that you gave me the option for, so the one with the beauty is the one I remember the most, so I'll say beauty yeah, war on beauty.

Speaker 2 1:14:30

We're all team war on beauty over here. So, alright, listen guys, we got one more. So I would say beauty, yeah, war on beauty, we're all team war on beauty over here, so all right listen, guys, we got one more. Someone paid 10 bucks. If you guys don't put a super chat in, we're ending this. So if you want to get a question in, it's got to be a super chat. Do you think we are heading into World War III?

Speaker 7 1:14:44

Well, because it's possibly a war, and because it's a war and three, that's a number right.

Speaker 2 1:14:55

And it's in the world.

Speaker 7 1:14:58

It is of the world and because of this world, that is essentially a secular issue. It's a temporal issue. And because it's a temporal issue then you know, just like my debate with Uwe Petrus, you could base it on temporal things like drinking water versus the spiritual nature of who won and information. So because of that I would say, yeah, it is. And also I saw another comment here about Catholic Palooza.

Speaker 2 1:15:32

Oh, that's right, so all right.

Speaker 7 1:15:34

so I have before we go to locals, because you know I want the biggest platform.

Speaker 2 1:15:39

Yes, yes, yes, yes, absolutely so. Um, last year I had, I had this opportunity to go to uh, this festival in new jersey, uh, catholic in New Jersey, catholic Palooza. I was fortunate enough I had Enoch stay at my house and he came and him and I both drove to New Jersey and we got to go. It was an amazing festival Enoch performed. I think he's performing again this year. There's a great band playing there. What's the name of that band?

Speaker 7 1:16:07

Alex, I think the band that you mentioned that will be at Catholic Palooza that is going to play music. I think they will be called Hallowed H-A-L-L-O-W-E-D, and because it's H-A-L-L-O-W-E-D, that means that's a word right, and so we can Google that word and you can go to hallowedbeatscom or hallowedmusiccom. They just came out with a new album, man shout out to hallowed um, and they also are putting together and are going to be performing and I think enoch is too and his boy, uh, the music so let me ask you something Do you have any beef with the guy Alex from hallowed because he stole your band name for his app?

Speaker 7 1:16:56

Oh, um. No, there's no beef there. I mean he's is he? Does he go to Nova Sordo or does he? Is he a schismatic that goes to a TLM.

Speaker 2 1:17:07

I think he goes to the. I think he goes to the TLM. He might be a schismatic he goes to the tl.

Speaker 7 1:17:13

He might be a schismatic. I think you're right, man, that's crazy. He should do a very, you know, like a normal regular right, like uh, jimmy aiken with the. I think he has a star trekian right of where you could believe in aliens when?

Speaker 2 1:17:26

when is catholic palooza?

Speaker 7 1:17:29

Oh man, when isn't it? I think it's August.

Speaker 2 1:17:34

He thinks this is called Unprepared to Plug your Gig.

Speaker 3 1:17:39

Oh no.

Speaker 7 1:17:40

Coming from you really Anthony.

Speaker 7 1:17:43

Well, I got to say I mean, listen, you're my Catholic brothers. But I will say that George, janko and Rosalon, they would not have this problem because their producers reach out to you and when they reach out to you they ask you for information, and information like Catholic Palooza is going to be in Rutherford, new Jersey. I forgot to be clicking my mouth as much, but I'm going to start doing it. So it's August 16th and it's hollow musiccom and that's what it's going to be. It's going to be real cool. There's going to be a lot of uh wait a minute.

Speaker 3 1:18:21

Did you take a shot at me there?

Speaker 2 1:18:23

Yeah, the producer didn't call him and get the information to plug it beforehand, so all right. So Catholic Palooza is August 16th in rutherford, new jersey, if anybody's in the area. I went last year. I had a really good time. It's gonna be a lot of catholic content creators there, a lot of catholic uh music uh creators there. I last year last year I went I got to meet uh ryan katsu rivera. He used to be gavin mckinnis's producer and now he works for sam hyde so that was really fun on our show too, yeah he used to be cool.

Speaker 2 1:18:55

He used to come on our show. Now we get alex voice now, yeah, so, um, if you guys are, you can call me boys, you can call me boys sorry sorry, uh, I heard voice of reason might make an appearance there.

Speaker 2 1:19:07

So if you guys want to meet alex Alex, voice of reason, he might be performing a rap song while he's there. Yeah, wait, says the guy who forgets to do his only sponsors. So, rutherford, new Jersey, august 16th, if Rob isn't have, if hope doesn't have the baby on her due date, there's a possibility I might go as well. It is a fun time, it's like it's, it's, it's this. So there's like four different stages. There's always a music act going on and then the rest of the time everybody's just kind of hanging out. You get to meet other catholics and stuff. So if you guys are in the tri-state area of new york, new jersey, uh, connecticut, uh, it's not a, it's a quick ride out of New York City, if you guys can Grab tickets August 16th, we are going to head over to Locals and we will help promote that as the weeks go on. Alex, thank you so much for coming on.

Speaker 7 1:20:04

I appreciate it. Catholicbaloozacom, by the way. What's up? Oh yeah, you can bring your kids too. It's very kid-friendly. There's different rooms for different performances. There's I like the last mass kids are welcome yeah, kids are well, I mean you do have to keep them quiet, though. I mean that that is true.

Speaker 2 1:20:25

The last time the last yeah, the last time we went I I met Ryan Katzu Rivera's wife. Well, I met them before that, but I hung out with Ryan's daughter and I gave her a little thing while I was there and then when I saw her at mass the next time she was still carrying that little thing. Yeah, bracelet Bracelet was cool. Yeah, I gave her a little bracelet and I miss his kids. So we'll have to talk on the. We'll talk on Locals, alex, alex, thank you so much for coming on here, man. I'm glad you and I were able to mend our beef. This is always good to have Catholics.

Speaker 3 1:21:06

Yeah there definitely will not be more beef after this, that's for sure?

Speaker 2 1:21:11

No, definitely not. I bet Alex and I are going to be A-OK after this one 100% cool and super-duper better than before. Super-duper way better. Love it. All right, guys, we're going to go over to Logan's. If you want to hear the rest of the Voice of Reason interview, we're going to do it over on the other side.

Speaker 3 1:21:35

So, rob, rob, take us out, bro. Okay, give me. I I'm preparing something for over there. Give me a minute, give me a second wait do the, do the taffy intro I would, I was given, yes, I was given, yes, yes, we have a show.

Speaker 2 1:21:44

Stay on, alex. We have an intro for the next one that we're going into.

Speaker 3 1:21:48

Great, great, yeah, okay give me a minute here rob's got it.

Speaker 7 1:21:53

He's a little slow, but he's got it. By the way, anthony, if this was a debate you would have lost, because you said usually has a blue light and because you forego your blue light, the leds no, it's too late.

Speaker 2 1:22:05

You lost man and I took a lot of sips of my drink during this conversation. I will say that okay, that's true.

Speaker 3 1:22:18

Okay, we're switching over now. Give me a minute here.

Speaker 2 1:22:19

You should play for the YouTube side, Rob uh, the outro for youtube as we leave I don't know if taffy said probably keep that one on locals okay, all right, locals only if you guys are on youtube, you're gonna miss out on this amazing little uh would not be happening on the on the impulsive podcast, by the way I'm gonna slap you george jenker would never do this by the way

Speaker 3 1:22:46

uh, avoiding babylonlocalscom if you're not already subscribed rouselonnet okay, okay, uh b, here is an intro just for you.

Speaker 5 1:23:15

Well, actually yeah, here we go. You had to get rid of one religion, and it was Islam or Catholicism. Which one would you get rid of? Great question, duh what.

Speaker 4 1:23:35

What did you say? Catholicism, what? Yeah, of course. What do you think? Who do you think you're talking to?

Speaker 2 1:23:43

You're on the debate stage. You guys have to understand something We've noticed. Who do you think you're talking to? You're on the debate stage, you guys have to understand something We've noticed.

Speaker 5 1:23:48

I came to Judaism from the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Speaker 1 1:23:52

So when my friends prefer Islam to Catholicism, dude so here he goes, All right whatever.

Speaker 7 1:24:17

All right.

Speaker 2 1:24:17

Ryan, I don't know, do they do that in the eastern right? You have to get in greek as well oh yeah oops, free gas. All you can see, brian brother, how are you man Doing pretty good, why are you sideways?

Speaker 6 1:24:33

Oh, there you go. Okay, I'm back.

Speaker 2 1:24:35

I'm voice. It's my name, so we got to do some updates for people that don't know You're not with Gavin anymore, right.

Speaker 6 1:24:45

That's true. Yeah, I left. See that footage that you played there. I left because, if he leaves, israel, my, which were their number one ally I said no, no, no, no. You keep your support for Israel, no matter what they say about the church you still have a good relationship with Gavin, though, right?

Speaker 6 1:25:02

yeah, he just. He texted me the other day to find this picture of one of the uber drivers. I snapped a screenshot of it. It was a black guy named mary and he had a wig on and he tweeted. He needed that for a tweet. So I'm still working for him and that capacity of sending him oh, um.

Speaker 3 1:25:21

I know, if something were to happen like with the podcast, I know Ant would never leave me alone.

Speaker 2 1:25:29

No, so all right, so you're over with Sam Hyde now, right, that's right.

Speaker 6 1:25:35

The Sam Hyde Show.

Speaker 2 1:25:37

Sam Hyde Show. Yeah, how is it over there, what's going on?

Speaker 6 1:25:41

It's great. I mean so the fact that we're on, thankfully, like a Catholic show. This won't be like out of the blue to just start mentioning prayers and God answering the prayers and making impossible things possible, because that's like if it was just a comedy podcast or talking to some of my secular friends, even if you have to like wedge things like that in there and kind of like. They're like, okay, it's like a weird thing, but we were up against, like you know, deciding it was finally time that we had to move. In our timeline of when to move and gavin's timeline of when he wanted to move, we're like just, they kept going apart. Every day that went by that we got closer to having our third kid in this two-room apartment.

Speaker 7 1:26:31

And then if we got a third apartment, a three-room apartment, it would be more expensive, we couldn't afford it and we would have to go to a worse neighborhood, and the neighborhood we were already in was already not that great.

Speaker 3 1:26:41

Yeah, pretty soon you'd end up in a neighborhood with the TLM. You'd be in the TLM ghetto. It'd be terrible.

Speaker 6 1:26:45

Yeah, pretty soon you'd end up in a neighborhood with the TLM, you'd be in the TLM ghetto. It'd be terrible. But no, but there was that. And then also like homeschooling they're coming for homeschoolers, for vaccine schedules, all that stuff, and there was just a lot that it was, and then also a couple other things there, but essentially all these things worked out where we had to get our taxes back to get a mortgage the mortgage was that going to go through? Was our offer going to get accepted?

Speaker 6 1:27:09

Um, our baby being born, moving the stuff and then also being able to get somebody to buy the apartment. And when we're packing, during this whole thing, I'm training sean, my replacement for the, for the thing to uh, so that they're not just like left with nobody, uh working also remotely, like starting work remotely, uh for sam, um, and then, yeah, our baby being born too was like it's weird how much that it's sad, how much that like drifts out of your main focus for a little bit. But yeah, and then when, when that was happening, as she was in labor, it kind of like all clicked in, like wow, this is the main thing, this is the big thing, this is like a lot of the stuff is just kind of temporal, uh, you know and um, and so it was. It was kind of sad that something like that got even vaguely sidelined, but there was a lot going on and I just prayed and my wife wasn't stressed, she was the most pregnant she ever was during that and yeah, it's just like God took care of us in such a real way and even down to the fact that my wife noticed this the other day.

Speaker 6 1:28:15

But I had a fish. I've had a fish for years since I lost my best friend Larry. I just like I don't know why, but like I was like I'm going to start taking care of fish and I think maybe it's. I don't know.

Speaker 3 1:28:27

I was going to make a joke, but that would have been so insensitive with what you just said.

Speaker 7 1:28:33

If it was worth it, then you could say it, but if you just thought it was worth it, then I would not do it.

Speaker 2 1:28:43

I hope he doesn't hate me for this Wait no, that's why I didn't want you to switch to your face over there. Yeah, I didn't want to blow the bit on YouTube because he will never know it was you.

Speaker 3 1:29:00

You could just plausible deniability at that point other than the show before you saying how Ryan Catu Rivera was coming out. That was on Locals.

Speaker 6 1:29:08

I didn't say it on YouTube.

Speaker 2 1:29:09

Those are just hints. I said it on Locals. I never blew the spot on YouTube. That's a totally different audience.

Speaker 6 1:29:16

But basically my fish died right before it moved, just like on his own, like passed away, because we were thinking like, wow, that's going to be very tough to transport a tank If he didn't die on his own.

Speaker 3 1:29:27

that means you murdered him.

Speaker 7 1:29:29

Maybe my wife put a little bleach inside the water.

Speaker 2 1:29:34

Wait, I got a funny story.

Speaker 3 1:29:36

Speaking of stories, Are you really interrupting his story right now with your story?

Usury in Modern Life

Speaker 2 1:29:43

I don't know how to do an interview. When I was like 16, there was this girl, brianne, that I went to school with, and we went to her house one night and it was like me and all my friends and we poured gold schlager in her fish tank oh, my goodness, killed all her.

Speaker 6 1:29:59

Of course it did. Oh my me, that is a bad person thing to do I was not a good kid that could.

Speaker 3 1:30:06

Could have been $150 worth of fish Ant.

Speaker 2 1:30:09

Dude, we killed the whole fish tank with Goldschlag. We killed them all All right, never mind We'll get back to it.

Speaker 6 1:30:17

So wait, okay, so you moved to Rhode Island, which is far from me, into the one house that met our our criteria, that was big enough, affordable enough in the neighborhood, that was the safe as it could possibly be, blessed with an amazing neighbor who's helping us, like he knows literally everything from pouring concrete to plumbing, and and then you, just we have an immediate you know, just like, like we visited to the area before we moved. And then the parish is amazing. It's an fssp, it it's um, it's not our old parish. We, we miss it a lot, we miss everybody there, but it is, it is amazing and um. Another thing too is like all the people that I work with are great. It's like sam has handpicked it, handpickedicked it.

Speaker 7 1:31:04

Handpicked it. No, he handpicked it. Let me turn on my camera. He handpicked it and because he did.

Speaker 6 1:31:12

No, he handpicked like some of the greatest guys to work with. One of them is coming to church with me every Sunday. Most Sundays he misses very few, and I mean man, it's just like great all around the works from. The days go by quick and you know the audience.

Speaker 2 1:31:32

So you told me, uh, so you called me two days ago, uh, and I thought I was on the phone with jay dyer. So you do a pretty good, jay dyer too.

Speaker 6 1:31:41

Let me see if I can. I can transfer. I'm actually going on jay dyer stream, maybe next week or something, because he he writes for the show and so he's involved in the show and these are co-workers.

Speaker 7 1:31:53

And uh, he was like hey, um yeah, I don't think I could do it.

Speaker 2 1:31:57

I was so voice. You gotta listen to jay dyer a little bit before.

Speaker 6 1:32:00

I don't want to do I don't want to debut it as a bad one, so I might so yeah, so jay writes for sam hyde as well, right?

Speaker 2 1:32:08

yep, so um it's. It's funny how, like, the interconnections between all of us keep happening. It's like so tim gordon goes on with jay dyer tomorrow on tim pool. Wow, what are they doing, jay Dyer?

Speaker 3 1:32:28

Tim Warden and Laura Lodge, the Protestant that hates Anthony. Oh, that's awesome.

Speaker 2 1:32:33

Who is that? But Laura Lodge knows me, doesn't like me, but I'm friends with Jay, I'm friends with Tim and Laura Lodge doesn't like me and they're all going on Timcast to debate. I just got a text from katherine, from uh. Catholic, unscripted. Today she went out to lunch with father maudsley and they, they, uh, father. She said I just want you to know I went to lunch with father maudsley today. He speaks very highly of you.

Speaker 6 1:32:59

It's just, it's just interesting and the clip you just played with with, uh, fuentes and and maudsley's been saying great things about fuentes, about it's fun like all these interconnections, like we're in the same freaking world.

Speaker 2 1:33:11

It's really interesting to to, to like watch how all this stuff is kind of coming together and I like I know most catholics aren't crazy about jay dyer, but I like jay, like, I think jay is just orthodox, like he's just um, he's just a maniac orthodox.

Speaker 6 1:33:32

It's part of their position. Yeah, that all of the what you would call an uncharitability towards our you know where we're, the way that we're seeing from their, that's part of their whole thing.

Speaker 2 1:33:45

Like we, we're like, no, you're, you're actually, you're, um, you know, like left lung, right lower, like the left and right, I actually I want to find a I want to find a topic that I can debate jay on, so that people can see what a debate between somebody like me and somebody like him would look like, because, like so many people, like Jay's uncharitable, but I'll be just as uncharitable as him, so it would be an interesting debate.

Speaker 2 1:34:15

I'm going to find a topic that him and I can debate on because I like him, like I think it's funny what he like when he kind of goes off on people like I don't know. It's like I expect him to hold the Orthodox position. He's Orthodox, so I don't get offended when he's saying things against Catholicism because he's Orthodox, so it's like obviously he's going to take that position, right.

Speaker 6 1:34:37

But if you don't fall into over five fallacies during a J Dyer debate, then you pretty much win.

Speaker 2 1:34:52

He's got to get you with more than five for it to be. Yeah, you got clobbered, bro. What I think is going to happen with the uh debate on timcast is tim and jay will end up teaming up against laura lodge. They will because laura lodge is going to come with a bunch of stupid protestantism and he's not like he's.

Speaker 3 1:35:05

I know he's not he's like a high anglican, so yeah, he's not like so much chad, I know that that's even worse, because if you knowledge certain things but put a limit on that, it's it.

Speaker 6 1:35:15

I think. I think that's a worse position than straight up evangelical, because they can just float into the well sola scriptura, and they could just do this never-ending. Uh, I don't appeal to that authority thing forever, but anglicanism actually, because it has liturgy and it has like um authority. It's like well, whose authority? Why do you appeal to the historicity of it?

Speaker 3 1:35:35

so they're going to destroy him because he's a mason. That's what they're going to do.

Speaker 2 1:35:40

Paul says paul said laurel lodge will try and split them up if he's even slightly smart. But what I think will end up happening is Tim and Jay will end up working together to show Protestantism is ridiculous, but then Tim and Jay will debate on such minutia about like councils and like insanity that it's going to go over.

Speaker 3 1:36:03

Lorelai by training is a medieval historian.

Speaker 2 1:36:06

Yeah.

Speaker 5 1:36:07

So, him and.

Speaker 3 1:36:07

Jay could go after Tim on some of the medieval councils and stuff like that Interesting. Rob's a Lore Lodge fanboy, so it's like I do enjoy the channel, but I wouldn't mind Tim and Jay just destroying him for being amazing.

Speaker 6 1:36:27

So you know, actually the teaming up of the Orthodox and Catholic happened this weekend in Austin.

Speaker 6 1:36:36

We were doing the premieres for Extreme Peace, which is the spiritual successor of a show that was on Adult Swim called World Peace, but it got kicked off for being anti-Semitic and racist or suspected to be.

Speaker 6 1:36:49

It was really like bureaucracy and the politics of entertainment out there that sort of pushed them out. But it's an independent release and we went there to Austin and afterwards, at one of the after parties, it was me, this Orthodox guy, and I just cut myself off at like four drinks throughout the entire night and I had just like an empty glass outside and we're just like for like two hours, uh convincing this one guy and this other guy that came about and maybe the total of three that they need to be a part of an apostolic church. And I wasn't even because there was an orthodox guy there. I wasn't even trying to like uh explain the position or try to push the position there to, so he wouldn't be, he wouldn't feel like gosh, because a lot of these orthodox guys are really cool and they don't do a great job of holding to the orthodox position, which is that we're completely like schismatic heretics and we're invalid because they don't themselves have no information to like validate their position. It's the same reason I won't debate.

Speaker 2 1:37:48

I won't debate orthodoxy because I've never studied the arguments against orthodoxy, so I I have a very different position to the orthodox than I do to the protest. Like I understand the protestant arguments that they're just ridiculous, and I can argue against the protestant any day, at any time. Orthodoxy is just like very complex and the reasons why they split and I just don't know the arguments right. So I just I just see the. The discussion with them is very different than the discussion with protestants. You know, like my, my position is that the church is the kingdom of heaven on earth.

Speaker 2 1:38:23

And when christ says, repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand, like the catholic church, is the gospel like, like the, the kingdom of heaven on earth. And when christ says, repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand, like the catholic church, is the gospel like, like the, the kingdom of heaven come to earth. That is the catholic church. The catholic church goes about the world, converting all the nations, like the, the. The fact that the western church, the latin church, is the church that converts the nations, to me is the biggest proof of catholicism right, taffy got her video blocked.

Speaker 2 1:38:49

What happened?

Speaker 3 1:38:50

who did taffy got the youtube portion blocked totally.

Speaker 4 1:38:57

Uh, I'm looking right now it's because of the celine dion song my heart will go on.

Speaker 3 1:39:03

Monetize it uh it, you know it's automatically demonetized.

Speaker 6 1:39:08

It's just saying you could remove that. You could.

Speaker 3 1:39:10

You can move that part and it'll resolve it's saying it's blocked in some territories and depending on the territories. I probably don't care, but it won't tell me the territories. Denmark, oh, russia, yeah, I don't know oh, okay who cares about that?

Speaker 6 1:39:24

it's because it's a catholic podcast? Um, it's. It's also been in Greece and Syria, I don't know. But yeah, basically I'm just a laity, I'm dumb, but I do believe that the church protects you from. You don't have to be a theologian, you don't have to be academic in order to be saved, and so I feel safe in that position and really it just comes down to me. What is the church that was there for me, that baptized all the family members that I knew and that is there whenever I'm looking for, whenever I'm traveling? What is the church that compels me? And I was drawn to it.

Speaker 6 1:39:59

But the first question that I asked as a Protestant, anti-catholic, with an open heart, and that when that question was answered in a way that I was like that makes sense, and I think I was lied to and, without looking into anything, for some reason I had this really strong anti-Catholic position. And then you realized you were like essentially blue pilled and and from the start, like with all the propaganda, you're like, well, who's doing the propaganda? And that's a different question for a different podcast. Father Maudsley in the propaganda, and that's a different question for a different podcast father maudsley.

Speaker 2 1:40:28

That's a good father maudsley episode. When, when did you, when did you start to think about the jewish question?

Speaker 6 1:40:36

um, I would. You know what? I think it was 2000, maybe during covet or something it just it just happened about. There was a lot of people being like do you know who's behind this push of things? Whether it's trans stuff, or whether it's, uh, medical stuff, whether it's, um, you know, political, like the people in the different political part. It seemed to just that there was a trend. And then, you know, I really had no, I think if you don't have the Catholic angle, then maybe you will fall in danger of being hateful and anti-Semitic, like truly anti-Semitic.

Speaker 6 1:41:19

I think being Catholic protects you from that, because it is purely on a spiritual level that we're at odds. We don't hold the same values. It's purely on a spiritual level that we're at odds. We don't hold the same values. Some say, like you know, dennis Prager famously said that it was okay for adult entertainment to exist and it was fine. And abusing yourself is fine as long as it doesn't hurt anybody. That's sort of like. That's like a good breaking off point. And that's a good breaking off point. Then, furthermore, he was like well, if it protects children, there should be simulated artificial child abuse material that sick people can—.

Speaker 1 1:41:58

It's psychotic.

Speaker 6 1:42:00

And you see how quickly that could just spin into. You're in hell.

Speaker 2 1:42:04

No, what you actually what you learned from the prager conversation was what jesus was actually getting on the pharisees is about the spirit of the law, versus like that.

Speaker 2 1:42:15

That's actually like. What you learned in that conversation with matt frad and prager was that what jesus was coming down on the Pharisees about was not hypocrisy. It was them claiming they were righteous because they followed the law. But the way they followed the law was very similar to those stupid ads you see for the Shabbat light, where it's like you're not allowed to touch a light switch on the Sabbath because that's considered work, but we made this light that has a cover on it and you, you could just spin the cover and it covers the light, right. And it's like oh, you guys tricked god, right, like they think they tricked god, so god gives the law and they found ways to get around the law.

Speaker 2 1:43:04

Yeah, and that's what jesus is getting on the pharisees about. It's like, okay, so I gave the law. And it's like honor your father and mother, so they come up with this rule. Where it's like okay, well, I'm supposed to take care of my parents in their old age, but if I donate the money to the temple, then I can collect interest on the money and I don't have to take care of my parents and I can say well, I'm giving the money to the temple, but they're still. It's like banking and like that's the origins of banking were created the, the, the Joshua Charles podcast, where he is talking to man I forgot his name, but they were. They were talking about the, the, the coin, the coin at the temple. Yeah, and how? Uh, the like the, I'll butcher it. I'm not. I have to actually go into it so I can explain it properly oh yeah, I forget exactly why.

Speaker 3 1:43:59

Why they minted. Oh yeah, so rome wouldn't allow them to mint their own money, own coin. So Rome said they could mint. I forget the coin of what state, and it was a coin with the image of Baal on it and that's the coin they had to use in the temple.

Speaker 2 1:44:21

So in the Jewish temple, to get the lamb you had to use this very specially minted coin, because if you use the Roman coin, you were participating in idolatry, because the Roman coin had Caesar's image on it, but it allowed them to mint a coin that had an image of Baal on it.

Speaker 3 1:44:42

So what they were doing was that's from the book Romanitas by Alan Fimster.

Speaker 2 1:44:49

It's an amazing interview. It's an amazing book. What they were doing is telling the Jews if you use the Roman coin, you will be participating in idolatry. They then mint the coin that has an idol on it on it. But what they're doing implicitly by doing this is rejecting the idea that the, that the covenant, can go out to the gentiles. Like, like god says, my spirit will cover the earth. The gentiles have seen a great light and the and the nations of the earth will come and worship me. They implicitly rejected the idea that the covenant could go out to the gentile nations. And what they were doing?

Speaker 2 1:45:28

like I'm not explaining the prophecies that the gentiles would be in the mix and it shows how the modern jews the enmity between jews and gentiles is always going to be there, because they reject the idea that god would ever honor the gentiles in any way whatsoever. It was always going to be them conquering the world as Israel and the world being subject to them, and that is what the modern state of Israel is. They are trying to conquer the world. Yeah, I think America is essentially just at this point.

Self-Defense and Proportional Response

Speaker 6 1:46:07

it's, it's sad because you know you love this country, because it is responsible for, um, giving you everything, all the experiences you've ever had and the beautiful geography, the people in it, the fun times that you've had, the things that they offer you, like, um, that feeling of patriotism, but it's. But it's misguided and a lot of people put priority over it. The same Protestants, I guarantee and I don't want to make an uncharitable generality here, but I think this is true with specific individuals enough, anecdotally, to make the statement that they wouldn't have a problem of pushing over a Mary statue or something like that or any sort of image being. They'll really take it there, you know, like the evangelicals, but burning the American flag, like throw them in jail, like I've seen that duality from Protestants, I've seen it for a second and so, and then the idea that like we have a culture, like we don't have a culture. And then what is it? Was it Pope Pius XIII that wrote the encyclical about the Americanism heresy?

Speaker 3 1:47:15

No, leo, was it Pope Leo XIII?

Speaker 6 1:47:21

Leo XIII, just like, uh, the idea that, yeah, and you look everywhere and it's like we're quote unquote, learning from other cultures like we, we don't really have a culture. It's like hot dogs, beer, barbecue, funny movies, music and pop culture. It's all. It's all. Very like jewish influenced, whether it's media or the slop.

Speaker 3 1:47:42

yeah, we really have an anti-culture Right. You know, it's something that tears cultures apart.

Speaker 6 1:47:48

Yeah, it is. It's the place where culture comes to die, where Italians come here, irish people come here and then, next thing you know, it's like the accent is gone. Sitting at the dinner table.

Speaker 3 1:47:59

I wish the Italian accent was gone.

Speaker 2 1:48:04

Wait, can I tell you guys something? So my uncle went to Sicily, my dad's brother and so, like I was watching uh, I was watching a video today of, like this um, this estate in england where it goes back to the ninth century. The same family had this estate in their family and the and, like you know, it was passed on from generation to generation. Now that family is losing that estate, but it's been in that family for a thousand years. Like I don't really know my genealogy, I don't really know anybody past my great grandfather. My uncle goes to Sicily to see the home my great grandfather grew up in. When he goes there, he sees a picture of my great-grandfather and he sees Lucky Luciano in the picture. Wow, lucky Luciano was my great-grandfather's first cousin, oh my God. So the past two days I've been watching Lucky Luciano documentaries. Wow, because it's interesting when you go back and you actually learn like, oh my gosh, man, like my family member created organized crime in America. Like, literally, like my great-grandfather's first cousin was the chairman of the board.

Speaker 3 1:49:28

I'll be honest, I'm not even a little bit surprised.

Speaker 2 1:49:31

So but Lucky Luciano is an interesting guy because he does start organized crime in America. He's the one who comes up with Lacoste or Nostra, he's the one that comes in Like he and he creates all this stuff in America, then he gets. He gets a prison. Creates all this stuff in America, then he gets. He gets a prison sentence for prostitution in America. And during world war two the government comes to him because we invade Italy.

Speaker 3 1:49:59

Yeah, we needed the help on Sicily.

Speaker 2 1:50:02

We needed the help of the mob. So they go to Luciano first and ask him to help because there was a, there was a at the New York ports. There was a German submarine attacked an American vessel at the New York ports. So they go to the mob. They go to Lucky Luciano and they're like hey, can you help us out? And he doesn't want to do it at first. And Maya Lansky comes to him and talks to him. Bugsy Siegel, I think it was. Maya Lansky comes to him and he's like listen, work with the government, help them out and just protect the ports. So he goes and he tells the mob he's like we're going to protect the ports. No other attacks happen on the ports.

Speaker 2 1:50:47

Now America's got to go and invade Sicily because they got to go and take care of Mussolini. And Luciano puts a call in to the Sicilian mob guys and he says listen, when the American troops come in, you got to help them. And they do. The mob in Italy helps the American troops. They come in, they help them out a lot. So after World War II is over, lucky Luciano goes to the government. He's got a 50, 50 to life sentence. He goes to them and he's like I helped you during the war. Can you guys give me a pardon? So they give him a pardon, but they tell him you got to go live in Sicily. So Lucky Luciano goes back to Sicily To live at my great grandfather's Fricking house.

Speaker 2 1:51:28

And he lives at the house my great grandfather grew up in At Perth. He's in Sicily, Then he winds up moving to Naples and Lucky Luciano later on in life.

Speaker 3 1:51:41

Winds up, Bro. Your relative got Mussolini killed you a-hole.

Speaker 2 1:51:47

A saint A guy who's probably in heaven but he ends up having he builds a hospital, like he ends up having this very charitable heart towards the end of his life, like he gets a he. He ends up having like bad relations with the mob in america and he and he's got millions and millions of dollars from selling heroin. He's loaded like you can't imagine and he's over there.

Speaker 3 1:52:11

He winds up the gold chains.

Speaker 2 1:52:13

The man he ends up having a very charitable heart and he builds a hospital and he said people would wait for lucky luciano in in naples and they would come to lucky my, my husband. He loads his job, this and that and he would literally just go around doing charitable works in sicily. When, when he dies he dies of a heart attack at 65 years old there's like a million people at his funeral. Like I dude, I went down this rabbit hole to like discover all this stuff.

Speaker 6 1:52:40

You have no idea when you were watching the thing and it showed where he lived. Was it the same?

Speaker 2 1:52:45

you saw my uncle showed me the picture of my great-grandfather with lucky luciano, like I was like you gotta be kidding me. This is the craziest thing ever.

Speaker 6 1:52:53

Oh, this just in because uh, nick isn't here, nick cavazos isn't here um update that trump alerted israel that they will not take any part of involvement in a strike against iran. That's good.

Speaker 3 1:53:06

Yeah, Rubio put something out too, saying that Israel took unilateral action against Iran. We are not involved in strikes against Iran and our our top priority is protecting American forces in the region. Let me be clear Iran should not target us interests or personnel.

Speaker 6 1:53:23

You're on your own. Thank God, yeah, seriously, thank God. Thank god, I mean it's just. It's a shame because, yeah, I want to recover the only way to recover america and america that we can be proud of and patriotic because it is. It was said by another pope was that pope pious, that the patriotism is good, or was that also leo?

Speaker 6 1:53:43

I mean I'm sure lots of popes have said that right I'm thinking of one in particular, but um, yeah, I'm really, um, you know not well, read on that. But yeah, patriotism like that came in conflict with this whole idea that like we have to get rid of patriotism because it's like a sort of false idol. But I suppose we have to strike a balance and be patriotic insofar as it we look out for the, the betterment of the nation when it fails, and how to improve it, how to protect it, how to keep it morally upstanding so that it is worth protecting, and yada, yada, yada. But the only way to do that.

Speaker 6 1:54:18

It really is like the desensitization and attack on christianity is like so intentional and coordinated and it's like it's so easy to see the people that have never looked into it that would totally disagree that they're just some spinning accident in the universe, even if they do believe that. If you challenge them on it and you're like so you only chemically, biologically, love your mother. Your mother's just space dirt Cause I believe she's a unique created, created by god and and willed to be here in her heart. Her name is written on god's heart, but you just think she's just space goop and in the you'll often get some sort of like a little shine in their eyes when you bring it to a personal level like that. It's like you don't believe that. You don't believe that, you don't believe that so many say they believe things that they don't actually believe.

Speaker 2 1:55:11

It's actually like even the I I call people out on it all the time. It's like you. You say, you believe that, but you don't actually like, you don't live. You don't live as though you believe that.

Speaker 3 1:55:23

You say it right, you're not acting like nothing matters like you think the world's ending, but you don't do anything to get ready for it this life, the life is just it's, it's meaningless.

Speaker 2 1:55:41

I honestly want to get taken out in in the blast when russia does the false flag on new york city. I don't want to live through the apocalypse. I used to think I wanted to. I used to think like give me a did someone say space?

Speaker 2 1:55:58

I used to think I wanted to live through like the apocalypse and like be in. Like I don't want to live through it. I want to be taken out in the blast. I don't want anything to do with it. I don't need roaming bands of vagabonds coming and kidnapping my daughters. Like I don't want anything. I hope we're all taken out in the blast.

Speaker 6 1:56:14

It's so it all seems very terrible because it's like uh, you know, the ideal is like okay, I got weapons, I got my gear, we're traveling, we have a little gunfight, we win. We go to a place that some got, somebody else like needs help. He's like an older guy that has a bunker. He's like I could use your help. And then you're a team and now that civilization starts, it's not gonna happen. You're gonna be tired, you're out of bullets, you're carrying wet stuff, it rains, it's cold you won't be able to purify water.

Speaker 3 1:56:40

You'll be dead in four days yeah, once you're walking, dead happened.

Speaker 6 1:56:46

Honestly, that show went on too long. There was after season three. There was too many episodes.

Speaker 3 1:56:50

Is that because? Is that because the agent got killed in season three?

Speaker 6 1:56:53

Ryan, that's the only time that I tuned back in when they, when they faked, killed him when he survived. That like trampling I was like I'm done.

Speaker 2 1:57:02

I know she should have died Like she should have died.

Speaker 6 1:57:06

You do kind of look like him. I have no allegiance to Asians. I'm a Puerto Rican guy. I'm forcing myself to have an affinity for Japanese stuff because they are pretty cool but they are perfidious as well the Japanese are perfidious they kind of believe in the Jew in them they believe in sand and the power of the water. Who made the water slanty? No, I'm just kidding no, but um.

Special Guest: Voice of Reason

Speaker 6 1:57:39

So wait your dad's japanese and your mom's puerto rican, yeah okay and we were just, we were just catholic, pilling her the whole time. We took her to Mass. It was a Novus Ordo. I've been really pleasantly surprised with the Novus Ordos. I've been going to the one going backwards, the last one and then the one before that because we were traveling the past two weekends. The one in Austin I've been meaning to go back to it held a Latin Mass and then the Austin Diocese remember that they stopped it. Yeah, so that was between the last time I went, where was a latin mass, legitimately at orientum, and all that, and then now they have a latin novus ordo, so it's still reverent, they still have all the chance. And then I went to a regular novus ordo and what I saw was not ad orientum, ad populae, whatever.

Speaker 6 1:58:27

Yeah, versus populae Versus populae and hold on a second a guitar. But it wasn't strumming guitar, it was a nylon string and it was Gregorian chant that he was singing to it. So I was conflicted, I was like that's the least offensive guitar ever. But I was almost like oh no, and everything in Latin except for the Our Father, the readings, and there was chant all throughout, even the offertory hymns and all that. What else was there about that? Oh, then we received from both species the body and the blood, so they had. Now here's the thing there were eucharistic ministers with the chalice, holding the chalice. They're not actually touching, you know, the blood, but they're holding still a.

Speaker 6 1:59:20

Yeah, it's okay, it's all right, we'll forgive you, that's okay, but I it was like I got I was welling up just thinking about being able to to sit from the chalice.

Speaker 2 1:59:29

Yeah, anywho, um I hope you get her person that went before you oh my gosh I didn't say that I'm protected it's not my fault, it's the ipaA.

Speaker 6 1:59:43

I'm literally sacramentally protected.

Speaker 3 1:59:45

A little bit of the perfidious Japanese came through there Ant.

Speaker 6 1:59:49

You anime-watching weirdo.

Speaker 2 1:59:52

Okay, all right, listen. It's two hours. We have to wrap this because I have to get some sleep. Ryan, why don't you let me comment?

Speaker 6 1:59:59

Last thing. So when we were talking to those Protestants outside, it was me with the OrthoBro teaming up. What's it called that? Yeah, there were people that knew of the show, so I was I was happy. Yeah, I was like. I know those guys. I forget what episode I referenced.

Speaker 2 2:00:16

You should send them the episode that you were on. I should? I should send the voice the Jimmy Akin episode I sent.

Speaker 1 2:00:34

I sent the Jimmy Akin impression to dyer and he was loving it. He was like he called him a nerd, I don't know.

Speaker 6 2:00:36

I like the uh, the episode of anthony reviewing all the butt rock dude.

Speaker 5 2:00:38

Oh no, wait, you know. Thank you, I gotta tell you something that jimmy aiken episode.

Speaker 2 2:00:41

Uh, father isaac thought I really had jimmy a on and he was mad at me. Bless his heart. He's like you got these guys, jimmy Akin, coming on. I'm like that wasn't Jimmy Akin, I swear.

Speaker 6 2:00:57

What's next Ruslan? What's next Ruslan? These guys got everybody.

Speaker 2 2:01:03

He's like how are you going to have a guy like Jimmy Akin? I'm like I didn't have Jimmy A like jimmy aiken. I'm like I didn't have jimmy aiken on. We were making fun of him. I promise it wasn't him. Oh man, that's sort of funny, um all right, yeah, dude, I do have to get some sleep. Uh, ryan, it sucks that your kids go to bed so late, because you're gonna come on anytime you want man well, yeah, one night, you know, I mean, the thing is my.

Speaker 6 2:01:24

My wife was with the kids for the past three days in a row while I was in Austin. If you give it some time, I'll be like we could do a full night where I'm off.

Speaker 2 2:01:37

Tell your wife I miss her. I'm going to see if me and Nicole can come up to Rhode Island and come and hang with you guys.

Speaker 6 2:01:43

That would be amazing. You would love it. It's one of the most Catholic. I think it's the most Catholic state by the numbers, by statistics. Take the boat. I saw two different. So this is crazy. On a Friday, on a meatless Friday, this isn't the most penitent meal, but I was having a cheese pizza at this place and I was looking outside they there was an icon and it was the sorrowful mysteries, obviously that day. And uh, there was an icon of of jesus dropping the cross or falling for the third time and I was like what it was like right on the telephone pole. Then I go to fill up my gas at a gas station and there's like, uh, our lady of seven sorrows I think it is a sticker on the guy.

Speaker 2 2:02:23

there's a catholic, yeah you'll see some little little catholic every car has a rosary hanging.

Speaker 6 2:02:29

It's, it's pretty cool. I mean, it's not like across the board, but it's very prevalent. You would notice it.

Speaker 2 2:02:35

You'd be like whoa, it's not quite stupidville, but it's, it's, it's really, we'll have to come up and visit your fssp parish and, uh, come and meet all the people that you've, you've, uh, you've made friends with up there.

Speaker 6 2:02:46

So all right, I already mentioned you and they said this all right For my parish. When I mentioned you, they were like oh, can't we know them?

Speaker 2 2:02:57

Catholic Palooza, august 16th in Rutherford, new Jersey. Anybody that's in the area, go buy tickets. I'm trying to see. I mean I got to talk to Eoch and see where he's staying this time because I did take him last time. But it is a bit of a drive. We gotta see, but uh, all right. So catholic palooza, rutherford, new jersey, august 16th, ryan. Thanks for coming on, man, we'll talk soon. Keep keep in touch with me and we'll get you back on whenever you got time we'll do sounds good guys take care, take us out, rob.

Speaker 2 2:03:24

Thank you.