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Avoiding Babylon
Michael Lofton Strikes Back & The Right Wing E-Girl War (Full LOCALS Version)
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Access to the FULL show on audio!What happens when the Vatican invites social media influencers into its inner sanctum? This episode dives deep into Michael Lofton's surprising Vatican connections and what they might mean for the future of Catholic online communication. We explore the possibility of Vatican-approved "badges" for Catholic content creators and whether this will heal divisions or deepen them in an already fractured Catholic media landscape.
The conversation shifts to a revealing incident in "conservative" e-girl Twitter, where Sarah Stock's engagement announcement triggered a cascade of vicious responses from fellow right-wing female influencers. This exchange raises profound questions about what "conservative" really means in today's culture—is it merely about voting preferences, or should it involve embodying traditional virtues?
We tackle a viral TikTok video glorifying the Incan Empire for its architectural and agricultural achievements while conveniently overlooking human sacrifice. This discussion illuminates how the Gospel transformed societies by ending barbaric practices and establishing true human dignity as the cornerstone of civilization.
The dangers of AI-generated misinformation come alive through a personal story about how Google's AI summary nearly created a dangerous confrontation at a county fair. This firsthand account serves as a sobering reminder of how technology can shape our perceptions of reality—sometimes with potentially dangerous consequences.
The episode wraps with candid stories from youth that demonstrate how providence works even through our mistakes and how second chances often come through unexpected channels. Listen in for a thought-provoking exploration of faith, technology, and culture that will challenge your assumptions and deepen your understanding of how Catholicism engages with our digital world.
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we have the most mustaches per capita of any catholic show um you, you me, john caleb, we all have mustaches it's the Zoomer mustache.
Speaker 3:It's the Zoomer mustache, oh boy.
Speaker 5:Oh man, Really really, Anthony really, really, anthony, I gotta tell you I don't get the Freddie Mercury look-alike contest these young kids got going on. It's the worst look ever. If you're not like Tom Selleck, you can't pull it off. I don't get it. And the irony of that coming from an Italian. I'm just saying I don't understand the mustache look, I don't. I I don't know. It's funny. I don't think a single girl finds it attractive either. It's just all guys telling each other they look good in it and none of them look good in it. I don't get it. Is this maybe why the zoomers have trouble dating? It might be. I think if you guys all shaved your mustaches, you all get married quick.
Speaker 5:But uh, what a wild day. Man, I didn't know when I woke up this morning I had no idea what we were going to talk about. I was like I I hadn't. I was like we have to discuss lofton becoming a lay cardinal. We have to discuss him. He runs the curia now, like that's it he's. He's basically telling everybody we're on notice. He made a lot of new connections. I'm like all right, so we definitely got to talk about that. And then, freaking, sarah Stock goes and just all she did was posted a picture of her engagement ring and holy hell broke loose.
Speaker 6:So is this going to be another episode where, if you don't, if you're not on Twitter, you might as well not even watch it?
Speaker 5:Yeah, if you're not on Twitter, you missed out on a lot of drama today, but then I do have.
Speaker 6:Now that's gonna be like the first if you don't like twitter because of all the drama, we're bringing it right to you guys exactly, but I actually I have, um, we have a couple things.
Speaker 5:Um, we have the this idiot woman, uh, uh, talking about how, how the incan civilization was so civilized we, we could play that clip. I have two parts to that. Then I have this woman in 1993. Her husband disappeared without a trace. Ten years later they declared him deceased. So she moves on and gets remarried 23 years after he disappeared originally. So 13 years after she gets married she gets a call that he's alive. He disappeared originally. So 13 years after she gets married, she gets a call that he's alive. So I I asked is is she now in an adulterous relationship with her new husband? It's an interest, it's an interesting she did get remarried the guy disappears.
Speaker 5:They can't find them anywhere. 10 years later he gets declared dead. So she then gets remarried and has kids with this new guy. And 13 years after she gets married so 23 years after he disappears she gets a call from detectives. The guy got arrested for something and when they fingerprinted him they found his fingerprint match from his original identity. It's a whole story, but I just I thought it was interesting so I asked is the original marriage valid and is her second marriage invalid and does that?
Speaker 6:well, it all depends relationship the whether or not the first marriage is valid has very little to do with the disappearance right we'll get into it when we play the clip.
Speaker 5:It's an interesting clip Really.
Speaker 6:It doesn't matter either way, because she's probably going to kill him, so we'll get into that.
Speaker 5:So that's an interesting one. Then we have people making their dead children into AI interviews. And then I have the most insane Dave Ramsey advice clip I've ever heard in my life like the most mind-bogglingly insane. I don't know what he was thinking. It's not even financial advice, it's basically marriage advice and I'm baffled by it and I think you guys will enjoy it so boomers, but so um an ai.
Speaker 5:It's been a long week already, that's another one, so all right, so let's, let's discuss michael lofton going to. Oh, before we have any, we don't have any, we don't have anything to promote anymore it's just like like and subscribe, that's it.
Speaker 5:We do have that gofundme though yeah, we could mention that there's a is a young guy, 31 years old, who passed away. Uh, his wife was a stay-at-home mom and uh, they're they're gonna be in some uh in for some hard time. So rob will post the uh, gibson go, if you guys want to help them out. Catholic family few kids, mother's all on her own now.
Speaker 6:So yeah, I mean yeah, 31 years old, has a heart attack um, yeah, it looked like he was out of shape you know the first question, I probably said everybody's still
Speaker 5:doesn't? Um? So I don't like most of dave ramsey's marriage advice clips. You're really not gonna like this one. You're really not gonna like this one. Yeah, I think I think this is true. I think Lofton won. He played the long game. He, uh, you know, he went and he talked about how Muslims are going to heaven. Uh, and he played the long game and they invited him to the Vatican and now he made a bunch of. He made a. He's basically running the curious. So why don't we go to his feed? Let's, let's start with his interview with Franco, and we're going to break Franco's chops a little bit here. We have to, Because I like Franco, but it's pretty bad.
Speaker 6:So where am I going? Did you send me something? Go to.
Speaker 5:Lofton's feed and then scroll down, because he tweeted a lot today. He's very chatty today and I'm blocked so I can't send you the link to his tweet into the show notes. So you have to actually just go to his feed, scroll down and then pull up the Franco interview.
Speaker 6:The Franco interview, the one with him, and that Iron Inquisitor guy? Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5:We didn't lose our sponsor. Our sponsor can't ship in the summer, so they're coming back in the fall. Don't worry, we have some things in the works we can't talk about yet. There's going to be some big news coming soon.
Speaker 6:Yeah, the big news is that they can't ship in the fall either, probably.
Speaker 5:That would be our luck. All right, Lofton won. All right, let's see. Do we have to watch this?
Speaker 6:Yes, okay.
Speaker 1:All right, so I'm here at the Vatican with two heavy hitters, franco and the Iron Inquisitor Franco. Let me start with you. Tell me what do you think so far about your experience at the Vatican.
Speaker 7:I mean like to be honest, this whole place mogs like literally any other building locations ever. Like the amount of art this is so bad.
Speaker 6:Franco and mogs.
Speaker 5:This is the ambassadors they're bringing to the vatican for social media. I'm sorry, guys come on. We're talking about the vatican and I love you, franco, but come on now. You can't, you can't be serious with this.
Speaker 7:Oh play the rest of it like it's like as if someone was performing at 200, over and over and over and, over and over again. The amount of art here is incredible, like it just shows, I mean, it's, it's, it's so awesome to see how much the catholic faith can be put onto the arts. And, of course, because the catholicism is the one true faith, right, the fullness of the faith, it just I mean all all this art is just I love how he had to correct himself.
Speaker 6:He couldn't let him just say the one true faith. He had to be like no, no, no, it's just the fullness of the oh, I don't want to.
Speaker 5:I don't want to be me the frank. I do like frank. He's a good kid. I've met him. He has my phone number. He'll be texting me. We're just teasing you, franco, but oh, okay, but seriously mogs. He's like this is uh, these are the uh ambassadors in the vatican. It's uh, it's just wild. I think there might be one other video right near that, one that you can check out, where lofton talks about how he um he made some great vatican connections hold on, wait a minute.
Speaker 6:Oh, he is holding a microphone in his hand. For a second it looked. It looked like there was nothing in his hand and he was just using it as a prop oh no, he's got, but he's got a little road.
Speaker 5:Go to the video I think it's before that where uh, yeah, it's the one before that I made some great Vatican connections. This is where we're all in trouble, because he was staying in Cardinal's apartments and stuff. I think we're all getting excommunicated.
Speaker 6:Is it super prudential to have men staying in? Oh stop.
Speaker 4:I'm not.
Speaker 6:I don't think Michael Lofton is homosexual.
Speaker 5:Oh, stop it. I'm just saying, like the last time we heard, about Cardinals apartments in the Vatican.
Speaker 6:there was two stories One Burke was getting kicked out of his, and the one before that was the gay orgies they were having, the drug-fueled gay orgies they were having.
Speaker 5:He's saying Coco Palmieri's. He's saying his apartment.
Speaker 6:How smart it is to put these influencers up with cardinals.
Speaker 5:I don't know. I don't know, maybe I misunderstood. Oh yeah, that's probably here's the thing. All right, go ahead.
Speaker 1:We'll play the clip and then I'll say I have some of this, hey everyone. So wrapping it up here at the Vatican, it's been an incredible experience.
Speaker 6:First off, Michael, if your wife beater is visible through your shirt, wear a different shirt. Come on.
Speaker 5:For God's sake.
Speaker 6:You wear cargo shorts in Rome. I'm a. I'm a guy wearing a graphic t-shirt telling you these things Do better.
Speaker 1:I've had a lot of wonderful opportunities Got to attend the Jubilee here and the conference for digital media influencers. I was also able to attend the Vatican Secretariat of State, got a really cool tour of the property as well as the ability to make some really important connections, and over the course of the coming days and weeks I'm going to take advantage of that and offer some important feedback to the Vatican on the situation in the Catholic Church, on social media and things that I think.
Speaker 6:Do you? He's going, gonna go to his vatican contacts. This anthony abate goon needs to go well here's the thing, everybody, because he originally like.
Speaker 5:The reason I even got caught on to this is because wagner, like he made some, he was like he knew this was happening. So, like before it happened, he put out a video saying you know, I told the Vatican they need to consult me and I need to help them. And Wagner went off on him. He's like you, pompous, arrogant, whatever he's like. How could you think you're so self-important?
Speaker 6:It was a good bait and switch by law.
Speaker 5:It was big. So now everybody's kind of backing off because it's like, oh man, he went to Rome, but me I'm like no, I'm never going to back off of him, I don't care. Now's the time to pile, just pile on him, I don't care, I don't care, I'm not ever going.
Speaker 5:It's funny he's acting like he was given something different than literally every other influencer that went there. Yeah, he's got. He's got some important stuff to. He gave some important feedback, but meanwhile he just filled out a questionnaire like all the rest of them. I'm just kidding. Michael, we wish you the best. We're very happy for you. You are the no, you are the new american correspondent for the vatican communications department. This is wonderful news for you, um, but uh, do you think that this is going to uh lead to the pope maybe addressing social media and catholic content creators? That's because that's kind of what I'm thinking. I'm thinking they had all these guys come there. We all know leo's got an encyclical coming. Uh, we know he wants to address ai. Do you think there will be some kind of an imprimatur coming from rome for these catholic shows and things like that?
Speaker 6:I mean, if there is, it's going to be as useful as the one for books from james martin. Books can get one, then anyone and their mom will be able to get him.
Speaker 5:You know one for, yeah, besides treads that that won't be allowed, but I think that's what might be coming. But I also think that's why it's it's smart to not. Yeah, they're going to be like catholic badges essentially right. So, like fred simon said, be like Catholic badges, essentially right. So, like Fred Simon said, be like verified badges. Verified badges, so that you know that this is an approved.
Speaker 6:Just as long as the biz LARPers are forced to have a different badge, then I'm all for it.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I don't. It's interesting that. All right, well, I'll get off the biz.
Speaker 5:L bislop thing I don't want to get the uh like I think that that might be coming, because we did hear I think it was baron mentioned that like a couple of years ago talking because they were all getting very worried about the taylor marshalls and the, the trad influencers that were coming up and stuff and they started talking about like having some kind of an imprimatur for vatican approved catholic content like, on one hand, in a actual, like healthy catholic world catholic church.
Speaker 6:It makes sense, right I?
Speaker 6:mean it does but in our current church and current world, what's going to happen when they hand out these? You know, like you said, these, um, I can't pronounce it, but um, what, what happens when they hand them out to to? You know, only the people that are are uh reaching out to uh, gays and trans, and you know what they're going to do is they're going to segregate the people they really need to reach out to further from the church. Right, they're like they're, it's it's going to create. Yeah, it's going to segregate catholic media even more than it is yeah, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 5:And also like we're dealing with what with michael hitchborn's report today, with that bishop, like bringing up that, that guy who is already suspended. He was living with another man, like he's reinstating him into catholic, like those are the guys handing out these badges. If that does happen, yeah, they're gonna be synodal influencers, right, that's exactly what they'll be like. I really think that. So everybody thought these badges, if that does happen, yeah, they're going to be synodal influencers, that's exactly what they'll be. I really think that. So everybody thought Loftin was losing his mind with the stuff when he was talking about how Muslims and Christians, like Muslims, can actually get to heaven, not out of invincible ignorance, but because of the good things in their religion.
Speaker 6:And I think he was doing that to show the vatican that he is so on board with the you know, god, god wants the diversity of religions thing well, it shows one of two things either it shows that he really was, you know, at one point a faithful Catholic and really just has gone down a really really bad heterodox path, or he really always was just a bad faith grifter and has found a path that is successful.
Speaker 5:Yeah, that's an interesting one.
Speaker 5:It's funny because like he's over there with all these influencers, but like he's universally disliked by him, by other influencers and I'm not even talking about like us and like I mean, like the cancer's crowd doesn't like him and the like, and I'm not saying names specifically, but I'm just telling you guys, nobody likes him like I'm. You know, there might be a couple, but it's most of most of the people doing this like that. Not, and not because of his theology, it's more just because of his smugness and because he's always turned on people.
Speaker 5:Right, that it's his, it's his horrific ability to maintain friendships and and everyone who has ever, ever worked with him he has staffed him Anyone yeah, it's like I know Eric Ibarra made up with him, but there were so many fallouts from Lofton that it is surprising that they wanted to even involve him in any way.
Speaker 5:Now the funny thing is he got invited because of Alex Jurado, voice of reason. So Alex Jurado put his name out there and got him invited there and then, when the Alex Harado situation happened, they disinvited him. Well, they wanted to disinvite him, so they threw up these obstacles. They were like you've got to get a letter from your metropolitan and his metropolitan wrote the letter and they still were trying to gatekeep him out of it. They really didn't want him in there.
Speaker 6:What really weird to me and this is a complete, kindly kind of a completely different subject but alex first started to get well known when lofton helped him out. Yeah, with alex go from that to him being the one to get lofton invited to the vatican in just a year or two uh, the alex's big break was keith nestor putting him up to the james white debate.
Speaker 5:So they, they asked keith nestor, they asked keith to do the debate with james white and jane, and keith said no, I think I'm gonna pass on that, but I have somebody that'll be good for it. So he put alex's name up there and then and then, after everybody saw his debate with james white, they were like, oh okay, this kid can handle himself and he can hold his own any.
Speaker 6:I mean it's james white right. Any catholic since the 90s should be able to handle james white pretty easily yeah, but they're rob that.
Speaker 5:They're looking for someone to pass the baton to, like they really I know it should.
Speaker 6:The whole voice of reason thing seems so um, not fabricated, but really you know what I mean. Like it wasn't organic. His, his rise was not organic, it seems like it was.
Speaker 5:I feel like that's pushed from behind the scenes I feel like there's a lot of guys like that. I'm not gonna say names, but I feel like a lot of them like I don't feel like a lot of them had organic growth like it's, so what it's what I orchestrated?
Speaker 6:Yes, Molly, Exactly Orchestrated I.
Speaker 5:I Astro tariffs is a good way to say it. So look they are all. Look the Scott Hans and the Jeff Cavins and even the, like the old, the, the, the, the graduating class of the nineties and two thousandss. Like those guys are all getting older now. And you know there's an endless supply of the Steubenville crowd, but they're all getting older now. So, like even Dr John Bergsma and Brant Petrie, like those guys are just aging out and and Catholic answer specifically needs a group of younger guys to kind of fill those shoes. So I think there is like a new class of kids coming up.
Speaker 5:I mean you got sips with Sarah, you got Cameron Riker, you got everybody that was at that influencer conference that Kyle posted. But I do think Alex was their top guy guy. I mean he was the one that they were bringing. I mean he was on lila rose's podcast, he was on frad's podcast, he was the guy they were for lack of a better term grooming to be that next guy and that kind of fell apart. So I'm curious to know what they're going to do next. But I'm telling y'all, lila is heavily involved with this stuff. It's from her where the money flows. That's very possible.
Speaker 6:I mean, she puts what millions of dollars into her own podcast? Yeah, to get views not much more than ours.
Speaker 5:No, I know Scott Hahn's the class of the 80s, that's not what I mean. So he was popular from the 80s until the 2010s. He still is Scott Hahn, don't get me wrong. But they until the 2010s he still is Scott Hahn, they'll get me wrong. But they do need a new crop of guys that are younger, and I think they're all looking for who to go with, and I think the problem for them is that some of the guys who are actually good at this and are captivating for the audience are also have some fiery opinions about the Jewish question or they have some fiery takes on other influencers and they, you know, they might say something controversial about other guys and stuff like that. So it's it's not an easy, an easy thing for them to figure out.
Speaker 6:So the real question is Wagner goes to this conference, right, did they flip them?
Speaker 5:Did they flip Wagner? Did they flip wagner? Yeah, I mean, I, I, I think I, I, I think him and amber are besties. Now right, I mean, we saw the pictures oh, the mighty have fallen far I love w, but, man, what were you thinking with that picture, christian?
Speaker 5:What were you thinking? I had somebody reach out to me today and say that they could, if I wanted, they could, get Amber on this show to discuss the e-girl controversy. Is he absolutely insane? Does he actually think that would ever happen? Like some of you guys just don't know this show, I guess I don't know. Uh, um, uh, yes, but that's why I think wagner would have been a very good fit for them, right, like wagner is kind of in that mold. Um, I'll tell you a little bit of lore.
Speaker 6:My, my wife occasionally watches amber what my wife told me, you still allow internet after she goes, she goes.
Speaker 5:I don't know. I watched it the other day. She's not that bad. I'm like like, so you dare put that crap on my computer you know what?
Speaker 6:they're gonna accept your proposal for um history checks to be a catholic influencer and we're all gonna see the the amber rose, yeah, right on your history yeah, no, I was making fun of her a little bit for that.
Speaker 5:But yeah, I don't know man. I'm curious to see how this whole thing pans out with Leo's next encyclical. I'm curious to see how they handle Catholic social media, because I think part of the reason they brought Leo in as the American Pope was to get a bit of control over the American media. I think it was way out of hand for them, american media. I think it was way out of hand for them. They like their biggest obstacle was the american catholic media enterprise.
Speaker 6:That was trad media, yeah, but it was. That was the way under jp2 and and rattinger. It was just the other side the american media.
Speaker 5:But that's the point. So they want American media on their side. Look, you still had EWTN, National Catholic Register, National Catholic Reporter. You still had a very significant portion of Catholic media. Who towed the line?
Speaker 8:Under which one?
Speaker 5:Under Francis. Okay, they had way less traffic than anybody on the other side. That was like more travel yeah, for sure coming out against this stuff. For sure because the majority of faithful american catholics were furious with francis so you had, you had your, you know your.
Speaker 5:it's funny when we went to it, italy, we were there with another American pilgrimage from Texas and they were just normie, novus, ordo, parish-going Catholics. They had no idea any of the stuff with France, like they didn't even pay attention to Rome at all, they were just very present in their parish and they didn't know any of the stuff that we knew. And when we went to the Padre Pio pio shrine and the rupnik art was there, they were like looking at the art, like it was like, oh, this isn't bad, you know well. And then when we told them the backstory of it they were like, oh my gosh, this is horrific. Like they were so like unbelievably appalled by once we started telling them the story behind the rupnik art.
Speaker 5:So the the thing is a lot of normies, don't read any Catholic news. The only people that actually paid attention to the news were the people who were really upset with the direction Francis was going in. So now you have Leo comes in. He's the American Pope, he's going to kind of get the American Catholic media to tame it down a bit and they are going to have official missionaries, official digital missionaries, that they will send out into the world to push their message.
Speaker 6:Yeah, all the people wearing T-shirts and jeans at Mass in the Vatican are going to be great missionaries.
Speaker 5:I mean, a lot of people do consume that kind of stuff. New to the show, anthony. Where should I go to Mass on Long Island? There's three places you could go. St Michael's in Farmingville is an SSPX chapel. Where should I go to mass on Long Island? There's three places you could go. St Michael's in Farmingville is an SSPX chapel. St Matthew's in Dix Hills the first and third Sunday has a Latin mass and then St Rocco's in Glencoe every Sunday has an 1130 Latin mass and then, if you're not far from the city, you could go to Holy Innocence in Manette. But yeah, st Rocco's is the ideal, for sure, if you're close enough to St Rocco's, definitely.
Speaker 5:So yeah, it'll be interesting to see how Leo handles this next encyclical and if it does address AI and, if so, if it also addresses media personalities and how they should handle things going forward, because I've already seen one or two things where they were talking about how, like, catholic media should be to lift up and it shouldn't be to knock down and things like that. So I think we're disqualified right off the bat, because we started this show off picking on other people and I mean we're just having fun with it and goofing around. I don't know what to tell you guys. We're a little different than everybody else. That's just the way it goes. We will wait and see how Leo proceeds. We'll wait and see how the Vatican proceeds. I'm curious to see how it goes.
Speaker 6:It'll be interesting yeah. At least it's going to be different than the last 12 years, even if I'm not saying it's necessarily going to be better, but it will be different.
Speaker 5:Yeah, for a time, at least For a time right. For a time at least. I'm still waiting for the unity thing to like. It just cannot continue for everybody's claiming Leo is their guy I don't know it was. These people think he's Francis the second. These people think he's Benedict the 17th. Nobody thinks he's Leo.
Speaker 6:It's interesting. It will be interesting to see what the first encyclical and stuff is like bobby will smite you.
Speaker 5:He's not allowed to go byzantine if he's on long island, it's not happening. Um, okay, so, uh, catholic e-girls psychopathy. We have to at least address it for a second. So I think I sent one of the tweets here um yeah, the. Oh my gosh, look, okay, we have to actually preface this. Not safe for work if you have children around. There is going to be some pretty harsh things that these girls said to each other if you have children around.
Speaker 6:Not appropriate, I'm just going to tell you well, we're not going to say it right, we're just going to show it on screen.
Speaker 5:I'll abbreviate it or we'll just show it on screen. We will make sure. Well, I mean look, yes, if you have kids, we're not going to say anything. We we shouldn't. It's just, these girls were not very kind to sarah stop well, to be fair, they're not even all catholic.
Speaker 6:Thank you, mimi very much appreciate. It's not like necessarily catholic e-girl, it's right wing e-girl stuff which is interesting.
Speaker 5:So, um, all right, just click on the tweet I I sent. I think we could follow back the thread the one from pearl yeah, yeah, click that, and then I think we could follow it back.
Speaker 6:One from pearl yeah, yeah, click that, and then I think we could follow it back. Let me zoom in. Oh wow, it really. I did not see all of it.
Speaker 5:Oh yeah, it gets pretty hairy. These girls were not very kind, so click on it and then scroll up a little to the picture, show it on screen and just click the picture.
Speaker 6:I'm just getting it framed before I put it on screen. Give me a second, you're doing terrible tonight, jamie. Okay, that's not framed very well so this was sarah stock, right, sarah stock for first. I mean, most of you people aren't going to know these women at all so.
Speaker 5:So sarah stock is a recent convert. Um, she's been on that jubilee show a few times. Uh, she was at the content creator conference um. She was on the charity stream for the balestinians too yes, she was also at lila rose's thing out in california, the women leadership conference, which you know. Whatever, we'll forgive her for that, um, but so scroll up below so we can see what her actual tweet was. Um, you didn't click the picture rob, just click the picture.
Speaker 5:There you go. You click the picture there, that's works. Do I got to teach you how to use the internet? Boomer, rob doesn't know. If you click the picture, the tweet will come up. So she tweeted. I won Now scroll down on the picture so we can keep going. So, emily, save America. Who is this awful woman? Awful, awful woman. Who is this awful woman? Awful, awful woman. She's. This conservative influencer makes a comment like that, the ring size with a skull after.
Speaker 6:Is the skull good or bad in Zoomer?
Speaker 5:language what do you mean she's saying the ring is small, right, yeah, she's making fun of her for the ring size. So the guy that proposed to her she's making fun of her for the ring size. So the guy, the guy that proposed her she's making fun of her for the ring size, like there's something about, um, women in engagement rings. That is kind of appalling.
Speaker 6:That like something about women that is just kind of appalling well, that's what we're going through.
Speaker 5:We want to just go through how vicious women are to each other. Um, like, there's nothing wrong with a like a classy small engagement ring, especially if that's the guy can afford, and she's looking for a good catholic man and they're gonna make things work. And you know they don't want to dump their future on a ring. So so emily makes fun of her for the ring size. So now zoom out of the picture and another scroll up. Now another influencer, morgan ariel, another right winger, says you give it up for free. Ho, you might want to sit to out to emily girl, but then, if you scroll down and look at what pearl said, we have to figure out how we're going to say this morgan, you are this one's not.
Speaker 6:It's the ones after this that we are very bad.
Speaker 5:Yeah, morgan, you are a single mother with a public video admitting you have uh hpv it's okay to say an acronym hpv. Yeah, you may want to sit this one out, keep going down.
Speaker 6:Uh, do we, we really, you think?
Speaker 5:it's that bad. Maybe maybe I can see it on my end and I'll see yeah, we can't. Yeah, don't show that actually. So they then go in and start getting on pearl for some of her past choices. Uh, it just gets so vicious all of this and it comes down to, I think, that women have a hard time just being happy for another woman. It's like the girl she did was saying I'm engaged, instead of everybody just saying, oh, congratulations. I don't think that's what you're supposed to say to a woman. I think you're supposed to say, uh, good luck, or something. I don't know. Whatever you're supposed to say I don't know if.
Speaker 6:Good luck, congratulations. I would just say congratulations best wishes or something.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I don't know if good luck, congratulations. I would just say congratulations, best wishes or something. Yeah, I don't know. I heard somebody said something about like you're not supposed to say congratulations to the guy. I don't know any of these stupid rules, but anyway, it just it. I found it interesting that these women could not just be happy for their fellow sister and just say congratulations.
Speaker 6:It's like this, I think it's between all of of them says our eyes have fried all their brains and they don't know how to be happy at all. In general, it is.
Speaker 5:It is strange. Look, I will. I will say pearl's awful, don't get me wrong, I'm not, I'm not trying to um, but she does have an interesting take that women and I'm not saying this is with sarah there, but just she has this take where she thinks women view um things husbands do for them as just ways to show off to other women, as like status symbols. It's like it's not actually about that. They're grateful for the gift, they just can't wait to show it off to other women, and I have noticed that to be a bit true. So maybe you ladies should keep an eye on that. No comment, rob.
Speaker 6:My grandpa always said if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.
Speaker 5:You picked the wrong person to do a show with buddy. I just I don't know.
Speaker 5:All right, so here's what we're gonna do we are going to go there is no difference between a conservative woman quote-unquote and a liberal woman yeah, at this point, there's not. There's just not, yeah, they are. They are all feminists at this point. So it's like what are they? It's they conservative women nowadays, especially conservative influencer women. It's basically like oh, I like trump and that makes you a conservative, and it's like trump's a liberal, so I don't the only difference is whether or not they want to take testosterone to start becoming a guy.
Speaker 6:If they do, they're a liberal woman.
Speaker 5:If they don't, they're conservative woman it's really just about politics like it's. It's not about actual conservative values. It's just about who they vote for that makes them conservative and if right and if they and where they land on the trans issue, like that's what determines whether they're liberal or conservative yeah, 100 yeah it's, it's like well, if you think, if you think men shouldn't compete in women's sports, then you're, you know that's. That's the argument. That's where we are at this point.
Speaker 5:I don't know we're not really including sarah in this, because she was the she yes her picture just instigated all the reaction we're, so we're also giving her leeway because she just became catholic and she seems like she's becoming aware of a lot of things and she seems very open to understanding the problems at hand. So I'm not going to start bashing somebody who seems to be open to it. She's. She doesn't come off as overly obnoxious and an attention seeker as that like to me yet. So I mean I'm, you know, I'm not, I'm not whatever. I don't like any e-girls. I'm not ever having her on her show or anything. I'm just, I'm just saying she's, she's not awful yet.
Speaker 6:We'll give her some time yet um, yeah, she basically has a year, a year to get offline. If she gets offline in a year, he was a good one.
Speaker 5:Somebody said somebody said when they saw that they were just like somebody. Somebody, like all of them, their husbands need to just tell them to get off, get off the internet, because there's one girl um, I forget who, what her name is. She is so freaking, annoying and obnoxious and she's putting on this larp as if she's a trad wife and she throws the n-word around all the time and stuff and it's like you are so freaking annoying to me. Like I can't stand the the the way these women comport themselves in public. Like I don't. I don't think it's wrong to have a twitter account. Like I don't. Like I have plenty of normal, decent interactions with women on twitter.
Speaker 5:It's like when they want to be these super big influencers and then they start telling everybody their opinions and all this. So that's when it kind of gets a little out of hand. What did molly say?
Speaker 6:I was just saying you were saying that it's okay for women to have a twitter account some of them are good and I was like, like molly right?
Speaker 5:no, there's plenty of women I interact with on twitter that are just there like I'll throw a comment here, comment there, but they're not trying to be these superstars online and trying to like.
Speaker 6:the idea that a trad wife is going to be the breadwinner through her social media is absurd to me, you know the Internet was a much better place when a woman had to decide whether she wanted to go online or use the phone.
Speaker 5:Yeah, because it was on the same line, right? They usually use the phone and didn't use the phone. Yeah, because it was on the same line, right? They usually pick use the phone and didn't use the internet. What do you think about? Because we've been talking about AI a lot, do you think women are in trouble with the coming AI revolution Because it seems like most of the jobs that are going to be replaced are these silly jobs that women have done for the better part of 30, 40 years, like they're, all these office jobs and things like that on one hand, like it is, it is strange that ai, which is going to be incredibly disruptive and destructive, could also be the thing that um destroys, like a two-income household.
Speaker 6:Right, because, you're right, a lot of the jobs that we'll destroy are ones that women are, largely, predominantly, you know a part of, but at the same time, it's not like most of those jobs honestly like today, today are even necessary. Right, it's almost like you see it online. People say, like most of these jobs were invented to, basically, you know, like take care for women, so women don't go have kids.
Speaker 6:You know more or less. So I have no doubt that human ingenuity, human ingenuity will invent a whole new cadre of useless jobs yeah For the.
Speaker 5:We'll see how it goes All right I want.
Speaker 6:Ai in general is dangerous. It almost got me killed this weekend, so we'll do.
Speaker 5:We're going to do that on locals. That's actually a really interesting story. We'll release that as a clip later on, but I want to do that on locals. Interesting. So we'll release that as a clip later on, but I want to do that on locals. Um, I do want to do the woman with the divorce thing or the woman with the dead husband thing, okay, so let's bring that clip up. This is all right. So everybody that's still around. This is a very interesting clip and it raises a lot of moral questions and, uh, if you guys did not see this video yet, it is pretty interesting and we're going to get into discussing it.
Speaker 6:It's actually a really good. Are we going to get a copyright?
Speaker 5:It's ABC Nightline. It's from 10 years ago, I don't know.
Speaker 6:Okay. Otherwise if there's something else we could do, and do this on Locals.
Speaker 5:What about that other woman? Clip the Inca thing.
Speaker 6:Depends. What sort of words are you going to use for them?
Speaker 5:Let's see what she says Above that in the show notes Uncivilized, it says All right, if you guys want to see that other clip, you guys come over to Locals.
Speaker 6:Maybe we'll release it later after Rob runs it, that one or the one for Matt Walsh.
Speaker 5:No, the one for Matt Walsh is part two. Okay, that's part two. So the one above that is part one okay, here we go no, you don't go to locals now, steve. We'll tell you when.
Speaker 6:We'll tell you when also so people know, we did stop releasing the full podcast on well, the full show on audio podcast. But for those of you who do just listen and don't watch the videos and you don't want to pay five dollars for locals, you can subscribe for three dollars a month to listen to the full audio. I was getting this grip, thought I love it.
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Speaker 6:Oh, also the store.
Speaker 5:The store is back up oh, rob got the merch fixed yeah, we're.
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Speaker 5:Have you accepted, mary, as your personal mother and intercessor? And you're religious, not spiritual we are also going to get a uh, I have been blocked by father james martin.
Speaker 6:Shirt coming we should also do. A reason in theology, one too, and we should get.
Speaker 5:I've been blocked by reason in theology, for sure we gotta do something with law, then come on. He's definitely gonna be a money maker for us, um okay, we ready for this.
Speaker 6:All right, let's go you were telling me.
Speaker 3:The spanish looked at this and said uncivilized. The inca built the moray terraces as an agricultural laboratory, because each separate circle created a different microclimate so they could figure out exactly what to grow at what elevation. The inca who cultivated 44 types of corn and 4 000 types of potatoes. The inca who built this stuff 600 years ago and it is still standing because it's all no-transcript. The Inca who created salt flats that still to this day aren't privatized. They're all sharing it from the same hot spring in the mountain and everyone gets a share, not to mention Coricancha, machu Picchu, the fact that all of their cities were made intentionally in the shapes of animals that were important to them. This reminds me of exactly what happened in Tenochtitlan. When Cortes laid eyes on that city for the first time, he wrote in his diary that the temples were grander than anything he would have seen in Sevilla. Yeah, you're telling me, the Spanish saw this and they said Nah, inferior.
Speaker 6:Yeah, then they tore it down with 100 guys. That's it. That's all it took.
Speaker 5:The okay. Civilized, the word civilized. You're talking about people who would murder innocent children and offer them as sacrifice. You're talking about people who sacrifice virgins. The Inca actually made earthen cakes of dung and roasted them in the sun.
Speaker 6:Read it in her voice the Inca who made earthen cakes of dung and roasted them in the sun.
Speaker 5:This is such a dumb way to look at things. A dumb way to look at things. Um, there were always grand civilizations, if you want to use that word, but like civilized the way you would think is plus, just I mean oh yeah, they made these buildings 600 years ago.
Speaker 6:Yeah, but the europeans sailed halfway around the world from build from their own buildings that they had made 1400 years before that she was, she's going to destroy these civilizations with 100 guys, like it doesn't compare, oxford is older than this place like that's you have to understand.
Speaker 5:So she's talking, she's bringing about this happening. 600 years ago we had universities and we had hospitals and oh yay, they made four.
Speaker 6:They had 4,000 types of potatoes.
Speaker 5:They still starve to death all the time and these temples that they built was with slave labor that they it's just the idea that what we brought to them was what we brought to them was salvation, because they could then actually be freed up to learn and live in a way that is like we live. I don't even want to say now like, because what was happening at at during the middle ages it was just this, this boom of seeing women have dignity and that there's just so much to go along with it, and it's.
Speaker 5:you're just not sacrificing human beings.
Speaker 6:The, the Romans, the, the, the civilization that God deigned to come into the world, into right, had aquifers or not aquifers aqueducts that carried water hundreds of miles through mountains, like they dug through mountains to carry this water at the exact same angle, over the hundreds and hundreds of miles, so that it would create running fountains in the city of rome from the alps to rome, at the same angle, through literal mountains done to almost 2 000 years before, before their stupid step pyramids.
Speaker 5:Yeah, it's not about okay, cool they. They figured out how to grow corn and they built some cool stuff. I, I mean you. You go back 5,000 years and you have cool stuff being built. It doesn't it doesn't mean they shouldn't have been evangelized and had the gospel brought to them, because the gospel is actually what civilizes man. So she could call it civilization, as you could say. They're civilized. But no, they actually weren't. They were hacking each other to death and they were roaming bands of I mean, go watch Apocalypto. That's what these people were dealing with.
Speaker 6:Yeah.
Speaker 5:Yeah, they had cool gardens guys.
Speaker 6:What's the point of having 4,000 types of potatoes if you don't know how to make French fries? Who made French fries? I'll give you a hint it wasn't the Incas.
Speaker 5:All right, so go down to Matt Walsh's tweet, because that's part two to this, and so she caught a bunch of flack for her post, so I think she tries to respond and then we can actually read what Matt Walsh said, because he did a better job than I will.
Speaker 3:I will die on this hill. I'm specifically talking about the Ingi here.
Speaker 6:You will die on that hill and they will sacrifice you for it.
Speaker 5:Like, come on the irony of saying that the irony of saying that because I will die on this hill is actually probably.
Speaker 6:That hill, that one right there, that they sacrifice people on.
Speaker 5:Exactly, machu Picchu. That's where you're going to die on.
Speaker 6:They'll give your body to the 4 000 types of potatoes.
Speaker 5:You won't be the only one who died there many people died on that hill.
Speaker 6:Honey, don't worry. 40 000 in one day. Who knew?
Speaker 3:about the mashika. That's a whole separate type of sacrifice if we're just looking at to want and sue you, the quechua people, the incan empire she's just making up words.
Speaker 6:She's got to be just making up words.
Speaker 3:They practiced sacrifices, like most other civilizations throughout history did, in times of crisis, so famine, natural disasters. But the unique thing about the Quechua is that when you're looking at like the Incan civilization, you essentially have the elites and then you have everyone else. You essentially have the elites and then you have everyone else. Sacrifices were volunteers from the elite class because they believed that the elites were closer to the gods and could therefore appease them better. Also, in terms of sacrifice, they were kind about it. Hear me out, because, unlike the Mashika, when you're like ripping out a still beating heart out of someone's chest, the Inca would intentionally use coca leaves and would use chicha and would get a real high sacrifice and then leave them on a mountain, a cold, chilly mountain, to be exposed to the elements which, if you're a volunteer, sacrifice.
Speaker 6:I say we heavily drug this woman and leave her out in the cold for a night.
Speaker 5:No, no, but think about what she says. This civilization, like all civilizations, offered sacrifice. These people don't understand the the greatness of the gospel spreading throughout the world. Yes, every civilization had these awful sacrifices where they where they sacrificed human beings, where they murdered innocent people, where virgins holy virgins were saved and they would sacrifice these virgins, who were pure, which is funny, because even the ancient pagans understood that there was something pure about virgins that Protestants don't understand.
Speaker 6:I just think it's funny. On the first clip she's trying to tell us how wonderful the civilization was, because they were all kind of communists and had salt flats and they all were equal. But in this one she's like, oh, but the elites who were, who were actually closer to God? It's like makeup.
Speaker 5:You're flipping my woman. Are they good because they're commies, or are they?
Speaker 6:good, because they aren't commies.
Speaker 5:It's just. It's just this whole, this whole. What do they call it? The colonization right, Imagine sacrificing.
Speaker 6:Well, you know what she's actually got? A good idea.
Speaker 5:Might be on to something. Maybe the elites do need to be sacrificed right now.
Speaker 6:Biden's already high off his mind. Let's give Trump some coke and go leave him on a mountain somewhere.
Speaker 5:So Matt Wall says? History teacher on TikTok says that the Incan child sacrifices were kind and voluntary. Children were merely left to freeze to death, which isn't so bad when you think about it. She blames white people for having a judgmental view of human sacrifice. No, it's what it really is. Needless to say, the claim that eight year old kids volunteered to die of starvation and hypothermia is insane. These are the kinds of moral monsters that teach your children and public schools. But matt's even missing something, because this is the glory of the gospel spreading throughout the world. Right you, when you get into these ancient cultures? Every one of them did have human sacrifice, every one of them. If there were children who were born with any kind of deformity, especially the Greeks, the Greeks would just leave any child out to die in the elements.
Speaker 6:Now you have Iceland, who has got alternative Down syndrome by aborting every fetus that has positive.
Speaker 5:Yeah, that's their idea of curing Down syndrome. You just go back to the way the pagans lived down syndrome. You just go back to the way the pagans lived. Now, the thing that spurred on so much evangelism in the early church was that the early Christians would pick these children up off the side of the road when they were left to die. And the idea of an orphanage is a Christian idea. The Christians would take these children who were going to be thrown away and they would raise these children with love and they would be cared for. And this is what Jesus meant by. He said they will know you by your love.
Speaker 5:And when people saw how they cared for the downtrodden and the throwaways of the world, it's actually what moved people's hearts to actually want to believe in the gospel. So much so that when Julian the apostate tries to reinvigorate the pagan rituals, he makes some of the pagan gods, like the priests of the pagan cults, start to care for the poor, because that's what's attracting so many people to Christianity. And he tries to make it sound like that. These cults always did that, when they never did. It was just something he saw that was so attractive to people that he started telling these priests no, no, no. You have to start caring for the poor and doing things like this and try to mimic some of the good parts of christianity, which is also what you see in modern movements like blm and things like that, where they try to make it seem like they are caring for the people who are in need, or even the lgbt movement. It's a mockery of christianity. They mimic it in trying to like emulate compassion when it's a false compassion. Yeah, A hundred percent.
Speaker 5:So, um, this is what happens when the gospel spreads throughout the world. Is you get rid of these ancient cults where the human sacrifices performed in these evil things are done? And not just that the like marriage. We have a tendency to say things like marriageates, religion, and you know, marriage is something that transcends cultures and it's ubiquitous throughout humanity. But it's not really. Yes, it is where a man would claim a woman for himself, but for the most part of human history, it was polygamy, it was one man would have multiple wives, and things like that. It was Christianity that started putting these demands on men, saying no, you can only have one wife and you can't divorce her. You can't just get rid of her when you're done with her. And this is actually what elevates the dignity of women and puts it where, and that has to do with us seeing our lady as the crown of God's creation.
Speaker 6:So if our lady has that much dignity that elevates the dignity of all women. Yeah, people don't understand that a well-ordered patriarchy actually exists in order to protect women. Because in societies that are matriarchies and are matrilineal, to where you trace descent descent through your mother's line, and this includes, um, this includes judaism right, they?
Speaker 6:you are a jew if your mother is a jew yes the reason those societies trace descent through their mother lot, their mother's line, is because, more or less, rape was so common that you never knew who your father was. You only knew who your mother was, so you could only trace your descent through your mother. So we see a lot of Native American tribes that are matrilineal and they're celebrated as being these great, you know, enlightened matriarchies. No, no, no, the men were raping all the women they wanted and you only knew who your mother was. You never knew who your father was. Yeah, and and, and. That's like. That's what a patriarchy is for to, to protect the women, to protect society, protect children all under strong men.
Speaker 5:You're starting to see that, as as patriarchy disappears, how women are no longer respected and they are being degraded and they're doing things that you would you would have found horrific 50, 60 years ago, but now this is like totally normal and it's often at the hands of other women too.
Speaker 6:Yeah, right, which we remember. We just saw that with the whole sarah stock pearl thing yeah, yeah, it's pretty interesting.
Speaker 5:So, all right, now I want to do two things over any other side. I want to do the Dave Ramsey clip because it's pretty insane, and then I want to do the uh, the woman with her husband. So we're going to go over to locals. I'm going to do those two segments because I don't want to get hit with copyrights on either one of those videos. So if you guys are not Locals members, that's where we actually get to say things a little more freely. We get to have more fun over there. Locals is definitely the place to be. If you guys are not members, please join us over there.
Speaker 6:You'll get to hear all I was swatted this weekend.
Speaker 5:Yeah, all that too. So those are the three things we're covering over there. This, this dave ramsey clip, is so insane to me. This woman, 34 years old, marries a 51 year old millionaire. He makes her sign a prenup and when you hear the marriage advice dave ramsey gives and it all comes down to money, and I'm just sitting there listening like what? Like why would this guy offer this advice to her? This is so insane. He has no idea he's hearing this woman for 30 seconds and just believes her story.
Speaker 6:It just sounds preposterous and this is all coming down to you.
Speaker 5:Just don't, you don't believe I don't believe a word out of this woman's mouth. I don't believe her, I think she's a liar and I don't believe all you've heard at the exact same 30 seconds as him.
Speaker 5:He's just I just know, I know that this woman's lying like. I just know she's. She's framing it the way she wants to frame it to make herself sound like she's this poor, innocent victim. And dave ramsey's like you. You, this is, this is no. No, you have to do this. Wait till you hear his advice. It's insane. Okay, I wonder, is dave ramsey on his first marriage too like? I don't think anybody that's at like I don't think anybody that I don't think anybody that their first marriage didn't work out should be giving marriage advice. That's just how I feel. So, all right, we're gonna go over to the other side. If you guys are not over there, you're missing out.
Speaker 6:Take a look. I want to start cutting us off here the awkward ending. I know I wish they had a faster, easier way of doing this.
Speaker 5:I'm getting quicker at it and we're good Okay we're good. And that's it Locals are. Let me bring locals. Let me bring the locals chat up. I think we should do the woman story first. Okay, locals, bring the locals chat up.
Speaker 6:Log in. Oh, they're saying he's on his first marriage.
Speaker 5:Oh, that's good to hear.
Speaker 6:But he's a prosperity gospel believer, not surprised.
Speaker 5:Alright, let's see, it's four and a half minutes long yeah, we don't have to hear the whole thing, I just figured I'd give you the whole clip, we'll see. Alright, we're getting a little bit lively. Our locals chat 100 people. Lately used to be like 60, so we did break a thousand people, did we? We did. I got an email today Again a little bit lively. Our locals chats 100 people lately Used to be like 60, 70.
Speaker 6:So we did break 1,000 people, did we? We did. I got an email today. I did not see that. Yeah, yeah, my in-laws put my wife through. Whatever his course is.
Speaker 5:Well, look, he gives good financial advice. I'm not going to knock him on that. He does help people get out of debt, but his marriage advice was just so insane. So we'll get to that. Dave Ramsey is the guy that he has the dave ramsey steps financial peace university.
Speaker 6:That's what it is, you're right, yeah um, all right, so let's do the.
Speaker 5:Uh, let's do this woman. No, we'll do ramsey. I said okay, yeah, we'll do ramsey after wait why?
Speaker 6:why are we talking about a dateline thing from 10 years ago? Well, how do you find these videos from?
Speaker 5:rob my whole day on show day is just like scanning for interesting stuff. So all I do is just scan for interesting stuff to talk about and then I'll throw it up on twitter to like get a test for it how people feel about it. If it gets a lot of interaction, like this is an interesting one. Like this one got milo interested, taylor marshall interested and I went when I see who's commenting on it, like all right, I got something here, let's play this on the show. It's just look. I, I, I have to test things out. I'm the one, I'm the one that's got to decide what we talk about. I just I don't like follow, follow the constitution just abusing their power. And I, you have no idea what my youtube algorithm looks like right now I do because you sent me so much of it, but anyways all right, here we go, here we go, all right.
Speaker 5:So this is the woman's mother.
Speaker 6:This is not the woman oh, it's gonna say, I don't think this woman's committing any sort of adultery at this scene no, it's, it's.
Speaker 5:This is the woman's mother and I had to help her silence, endless silence.
Speaker 4:10 years pass pass and Richard Hoagland was officially declared dead. Linda moved on, she remarried.
Speaker 2:It's like wounds they heal slowly over time.
Speaker 4:Then, just this past summer, she got a call from Detective Tony Cardillo, pasco County Sheriff's Department, florida.
Speaker 2:He asked me if I knew who Richard Hoagland was, and I said yes, it's my ex-husband.
Speaker 8:She was actually driving at the time. Interesting.
Speaker 5:She said she had a pullover.
Speaker 3:He said we have him in custody. Were you at all?
Speaker 4:glad to hear that he was still alive.
Speaker 6:Stupid Irish accent.
Speaker 8:I don't remember that feeling.
Speaker 4:Richard Hoagland back from the dead.
Speaker 3:This goes down in one of those cases that when you start hearing it, people are going to think this is a made-for-TV movie. Maybe it will be one day.
Speaker 4:Where had he been the past 23 years Living it up on a tropical beach Caught up with a Colombian cartel? No, richard Hoagland was pretending to be a dead fisherman, terry Szymanski, killed in a freak boating accident in 1991.
Speaker 1:It was like Catch Me If you Can not quite as glamorous.
Speaker 4:Everyone trying to wrap their heads around how someone can disappear, live alive for 23 years and get away with it. Here's how. Hoagland had fled to Florida and just happened to rent a room from the recently deceased Terry Szymanski's father. He found the death certificate. He stole it. I'm using that death certificate.
Speaker 8:He applies for a birth certificate. He submits that birth certificate to get a driver's license.
Speaker 6:How do you use a death certificate to apply for a birth certificate? I don't know.
Speaker 8:I have no idea.
Speaker 5:Once he has that driver's license it's back in the 90s, maybe you know it's before the internet. So it's like I guess he could have just like.
Speaker 6:This was issued mistakenly.
Speaker 5:I need the opposite oh no, I would just think he has all the guy's information on it and go oh, I lost birth certificate and then just have refile for everything. Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 6:Okay, that would be Okay.
Speaker 8:He starts establishing. His name is Terry Szymanski.
Speaker 4:It's that easy. This was some time ago, is it not that easy anymore?
Speaker 8:I would hope not, he started from there, from a simple finding a death certificate.
Speaker 4:Bought this house, married a nice lady named Mary, even had a child. I mean, I wonder how he explained to Mary, his wife in Florida, why the rest of the Szymanski clan didn't come for Thanksgiving. She said there was always questions but he would always come up with a First off hold on hold on, let me, let me.
Speaker 6:The man did not look particularly Polish.
Speaker 5:So here's what my question was In 1983, her husband disappeared without trace. Ten years later, he's declared deceased. She moves on and remarries 23 years after he disappeared. She gets a call that he's alive. According to Catholic teaching, is she now committing adultery? What is the protocol here? Is she now committing adultery like? What is what is the protocol here like? So the church, after a declaration of a person being dead, will say your marriage is no longer. You know, you don't, you're not married anymore. So they will give you, uh, another new valid marriage, right. But now this guy pops back up. Now he the the first marriage is now valid and the second marriage is invalid. Now.
Speaker 6:Chances are. None of the marriages were valid.
Speaker 5:We're saying hypothetical here. Let's say she had a Catholic back. Come on, you have to play along with the game here. So well, the thing is, the first marriage will be declared. No if, and only if, he always planned to defraud her.
Speaker 6:Yes. So like if he never planned for the marriage to last forever, right, but if he, if they both had full intention on getting married.
Speaker 5:And then things just went sour and he was just like I'm dipping and going, creating a new identity like that marriage is still valid. Yeah, yeah. And now she gets the declaration.
Speaker 6:I would say she would not be culpable for any right, because because even when she thought he was dead, technically right, technically that would be adultery, adultery. But she's obviously not culpable for any sin. But if he comes back and, as you said, if hypothetically everything was valid originally, then yeah, if she decided to continue on with her marriage with the new man, then yeah, she would probably be guilty of the sin of adultery.
Speaker 5:Okay, so Father Matthew Schneider said I think canon law has.
Speaker 6:Who cares what he said?
Speaker 5:Listen, I think canon law has something like this in canon where if someone is missing for seven plus years, they can be presumed dead and thus a spouse could remarry. Um, which turns out somebody responds to that. Canon 1707 allows for a special canonical process to declare the spouse presumed dead if civil death cannot be proven. This involves a diocesan investigation and a decree from the bishop or or, in some cases, the Holy See, but none of that matters. If the guy pops back up and now she has children with this, this is where I think Francis is a Morris Leticia comes in. Am I wrong? Am I wrong?
Speaker 5:I think this might be one of those extraordinary circumstances where morrison tt comes into play with the footnote. It's like well, you know, the first marriage is clearly valid. You can't get an annulment. But come on, this is extenuating circumstances. She remarried, she has children. Now she's not going to just abandon the new husband. When this guy did what he did, so a lot of women were like, no, this is malicious abandonment, she'll get an annulment. You don't get an annulment for malicious abandonment. That's not a valid annulment reason. Now, like I said, if the guy had always been a liar and always intended to defraud her. That's a different. That is a basis for an omen. What if someone was kidnapped and eventually escaped, so their disappearance wasn't of their own accord?
Speaker 6:Same thing, or those you know what? What about all those POWs in Vietnam? Something like that right. For years and years and years of that and had no notice that they were there.
Speaker 5:Let's say, tom Hanks was actually married to what's-her-name before Castaway happened.
Speaker 6:Why? Why is everything a movie? Why do you got to make everything a movie Just?
Speaker 5:saying, let's say Tom Hanks was actually married to Helen Hunt because they were just engaged, they weren't married, but let's say they were married, and then he just pops back up after being on the island all that time and now she's got a husband and kids.
Speaker 6:All I'm gonna say is, regardless of what happens with that, what he had with wilson was definitely unnatural yeah, I think so.
Speaker 5:Yeah, for sure. This is totally like castaway. Why?
Speaker 6:is everybody getting mad at?
Speaker 5:me. Thank you guys, thank you, everybody's on my side for this one. I like it. There's a family guy episode about this. The real question is would she be committing adultery for going back to her first husband? That's what? Because she let's like what if she still loves the first husband but she's now married to the second husband, so, like that marriage isn't valid. Like she could just walk away and be like this isn't even a valid marriage anymore. Like how does that work?
Speaker 6:I know it's incredibly rare in this scenario.
Speaker 5:In this scenario, let's say, she still loves.
Speaker 6:I don't think she still loves him alright, cast away, cast away.
Speaker 5:He's actually married to Helen Hunt. He comes back. I don't think she still loves him. All right, cast away, cast away. He's actually married to Helen Hunt. He comes back. Yeah, like now. She's got kids with the new husband. Her and Tom Hanks never had kids, but they were married.
Speaker 6:I'm having a fourth child in like two weeks and you're making my brain hurt thinking about this. Listen to me.
Speaker 5:Because here's the thing Because she didn't have kids with tom hanks, so now she's got kids with the new husband. So now she's breaking up a family to go back to the original valid marriage. Come on, guys, I need your help here. This, this is this one's hard. Did wilson commit sodomy? Did Wilson commit sodomy? Wilson should have won the Oscar for that role. It's one of the worst movies I've ever seen. Ever. Anthony, would you go on your nephew's wedding if he was Catholic but not practicing and marrying a non-Catholic with whom he had been living with for four years? No, you can't. I don't think you'd be allowed. I would do whatever the church says. Yeah, I would do it. I've been to um non-catholic weddings, but that's where neither person was catholic that's as long as they're not religious ceremonies that you shouldn't be a part of.
Speaker 5:Yeah, that's fine yeah, like I went to, like the just the party part, right, right, yeah, um, anthony, I suggested you go on frank frank, quite frankly podcast on twitter. You would get along great with him. I found this with tim gordon. I'm sure tim can set that up I don't know who that is, I don't.
Speaker 5:I don't really know him either. Majorian's back. He missed out on the greatest show ever. Sucker, he missed it All right. So we want to do Dave Ramsey before your story. Whatever you want to do, let's do Dave Ramsey before your story. Yeah, I don't know. It's just something to think about. I thought it was very interesting. So, wait, you guys want to hear what a couple of people said before we go on?
Speaker 6:I don't know what the answer is.
Speaker 5:I don't know if there is a real Well, okay. So Taylor said no sin imputed after declaration of death, but she is still married to her original husband currently and all rules apply now that the facts are known. So what about the new hubby? Is that marriage? No, yes, yeah. Milo said she gotta go back the text you sent me after that.
Speaker 6:Made me laugh so hard.
Speaker 5:Don't read it, I'm not going to. Is Milo following me now and I'm like it's funny. All right, so Milo just went on with Candace today. Milo knew who I was for a while and he would always comment on my stuff, and I get annoyed when well-known Catholics know who I am but don't follow me on Twitter. That bothers me.
Speaker 6:Anthony, not everyone puts as much value into Twitter as you do.
Speaker 5:No, If they're on Twitter and they're a well-known catholic, they know who I am and I follow that. Like I unfollowed milo because he didn't follow me when I unfollowed him, he followed me I see we're talking more about.
Speaker 6:I see we're talking more e-girl drama um when how's hope, doing what?
Speaker 5:two weeks? Uh, two weeks as of today is she looking like early or on time or?
Speaker 6:she's progressed more than she did with mina at this point. So that's that's I mean.
Speaker 5:It's not looking necessarily early, but okay, because, and and then, how much time am I gonna have to book my flight and everything like? Are you guys like doing a shotgun baptism or am I gonna get two weeks? What are you gonna? Do, like do I so like, why half a day she's in the hospital, or what the parish we're doing it at, they won't even schedule it till the baby's born okay, um, somebody said first milo, then boris.
Speaker 6:I think boris already does follow me so it's probably gonna be like minimum 10 days. I would imagine 10 days, okay, all right, so I'll have 2 weeks.
Speaker 5:That should be good, let's see. Okay are the video ready if you're done reading stuff. Elijah Shaffer's.
Speaker 6:No, no. Sergeant Augustine says shotgun baptism is what we give politicians. Is that a euphemism for getting rid of our elites like the Inca did I?
Speaker 5:didn't know that. I never heard that before. I thought my tweet today would have gotten more traction. Which one? I said all right, right, hear me out. Uh, where is it?
Speaker 6:let me see that's your first problem. Everyone read that.
Speaker 5:I was like nope, not gonna hear you out, so hear me out. Extraordinary medicines of holy communion, but they can only be husbands, so they can bring the eucharist to their wives and we banish women from this. I thought that would be it. The more people get annoyed by that one, I guess not. All right, let's do. Dave ramsey, this should have bogged down eventually.
Speaker 6:Everyone just expects expected of you right, so you gotta get diversify yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5:Misogyny usually goes over. Well, all right, dave ramsey, let's go. Let's get to the clip. We'll try, and, uh, I wish I you know what I should do. I should record these at like two times speed from now on, do that with jonathan peugeot clips.
Speaker 6:You couldn't take his voice at two times speed let's see, come on, let's go.
Speaker 5:Tracy's in birmingham hi tracy. Welcome to the ramsey show hi.
Speaker 2:Um, my question is I am married to a self-made millionaire. We've been married for three years together, for a total of seven. Um, I put my career on hold and I kind of help him with everything his businesses multiple businesses, I doubt you help him with his business.
Speaker 2:What do you do? Well, one job that I have that I actually get a paid salary from is I am a project slash office manager for an electrical contracting company and we do jobs across the nation. So that is the one job that I do that actually get a salary for. But on top of that, I help them with everything of his other businesses that he has and all his personal things, like you know, like a normal couple would. But when we got married, I signed a prenup because I know, you know, I understand that you, everything before me is yours and your success is yours. But I'm starting to feel like we're never going to build together. But I'm starting to feel like we're never going to build together and I've put my career on hold and I'm helping out with him and his things.
Speaker 5:So, Tracy what else is going on? Somebody said Dave Ramsey's co-host is a simp. You have no idea this guy's the worst. I never watched the show really.
Speaker 6:Guys, you're not therapists, You're financial guys. You don't need to say what else is going on. Who cares?
Speaker 5:What else is going on, man?
Speaker 6:All right, so here's where she gets into it. This was just the warm-up. Oh boy, she's crying and this was just the warm-up.
Speaker 5:Well, that's where their advice comes in.
Speaker 2:I've been wanting to have kids, and that's something that I feel like he's stringing me along with as well, and I feel like, oh, stringing me along with as well, and I feel like oh, I guess the co-host is the counselor.
Speaker 5:Someone says he's an actual counselor, I guess. Yeah, it doesn't matter, just watch how quickly.
Speaker 2:Everything in our lives is his Like. There's nothing that's ours. I don't feel like he values my opinion or me. You know why you feel this way, Because that's the truth. It's true. That's why you feel this way. You're not crashing boys so much right now, and you know what's funny that you say that, john, because he has been saying that I need to go to a psychiatrist, because there's no reason why I should be unhappy with my wife because he provides me with all these things that.
Speaker 8:I don't ask for, except for meaning. He tells you what you're going to like and what you're going to love and what you need, and then he provides that without giving you any input on the things you need. She didn't tell you any of this.
Speaker 5:You're just making things up. This woman was on the phone for 30 seconds. She's 34. He's 51. He You're just making things up. This woman was on the phone for 30 seconds. She's 34. He's 51. He's a millionaire. He made her sign a prenup because this woman married him because of his money. Like, clearly she wanted to marry a guy with money and have a comfortable lifestyle. Now she marries him. The guy's kind of busy with the business. He's like yeah, what do you need? I'll buy you whatever you need. I'm unhappy. I signed a pre-nurse. She wants a divorce. She can't get any money out of the guy. And this guy's over here going yes, this is terrible. He's just he doesn't let you choose anything. He won't let. He's not giving you meat like this guy is insane. Wait until you see where this goes. Keep going. I want to keep playing. I just wanted to point out how insane that was. Already got married a millionaire without knowing if she liked him or not. Women, stop marrying men. You don't like Good advice, miss Homemaker?
Speaker 5:He's doing the therapist thing where he tells you what you should be upset about.
Speaker 6:I was playing it, not realizing it wasn't on screen. That's alright, here we go.
Speaker 8:What you're going to like and what you're going to love and what you need, and then he provides that without giving you any input on the things that you want and need, and you're living somebody else's life. It is Correct, just like we all got Biden. No, we didn't. All People got Biden checks. They didn't get value and purpose right. It's very similar right, that's what how similar.
Speaker 5:What are you?
Speaker 6:even this guy is a complete moron without being given purpose is okay you're not crazy.
Speaker 8:It's the gaslighter special when you say hey, I'm not doing okay, and they say well, you should probably go see somebody, right I want to say something here at the same time, if she was saying I wasn't doing okay and he said, well, you figure it out, you don't need to go see someone.
Speaker 6:People would be saying he's abusive for that is it?
Speaker 5:it's just interesting that like I'm sorry, maybe this woman needs to see a therapist. She's married to a millionaire. She gets whatever the hell she wants. Okay.
Speaker 6:It's literally like whatever you want. If she doesn't need to see a therapist, why does she call into a show that apparently has an actual therapist on it?
Speaker 8:Who's doing therapy on?
Speaker 5:the phone Seems like maybe she needs therapy Telling her everything she wants to get. Now I will tell this story because somebody said the other day couples therapy is just a woman's way of bringing her regular therapist into the marriage so that the therapist can then correct the husband and all the things she's been venting about.
Speaker 6:It's a way to get official like sanctioned stamp-approved affirmation.
Speaker 5:On all of her feelings being validated. But I know a couple where the wife insisted they go to marriage counseling and they go and when they were with the marriage counselor she starts telling the marriage counselor everything she's upset about. And the therapist was like why are you trying to to micromanage him about every little thing? You're not his mom. The wife lost it, flipped out. I'm not paying you to tell me how to fix this thing. We're never going back to therapy again. Never going back to therapy again.
Speaker 6:Yes, Sergeant Augustine, this is 100% all just twitter rehashing what do you mean this?
Speaker 5:yes, we didn't do dave ramsey on twitter. I don't know dave ramsey's not twitter rehash. Oh that, oh that, uh therapist thing I did see on twitter yes yeah, that is um. I can't believe dave ramid's wife called into the show. Tell more personal.
Speaker 6:There might be a personal story no camera, stop zooming in on me no, we like what it does.
Speaker 5:That all right. Let's play the rest of the clip, because it gets worse than the advice reality show. We're on the couples therapist. Shut up, woman. You got everything you need. Why are you complaining? That'll be my therapy.
Speaker 6:You want purpose in life. Learn how to make a really good sandwich.
Speaker 8:Dave said it right on. You feel this way because it's true.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I'm a very hard worker. I'm very frugal.
Speaker 1:You said you've been married three years.
Speaker 2:How old are you? I'm 35. How old is she? She is 51.
Speaker 6:Okay yeah, you were 32 when this and you still didn't have your life figured out. Woman.
Speaker 5:So so look she, they're. They're married three years. The guy was already a millionaire. She married this rich guy. He's like you got to sign a prenup, like cause, I'm not. He probably is divorced already and his first wife took him for a bunch of stuff. So he's like I'm not doing that again and she's just jealous because he makes all the money and she's. She's that dave ramsey and this guy just feed her feminist tendencies relentlessly here he's acting like a daddy, yep well that's what she wanted not just the year differentiation.
Speaker 8:You're acting like in a daughter slash employee. Yeah, he.
Speaker 5:She's a bit overbearing, don't you think?
Speaker 2:I feel like I'm more of an employee, yeah.
Speaker 8:I wonder what would happen if you quit.
Speaker 7:I have threatened that in the past, I wouldn't threaten it, I'd just do it. Don't threaten.
Speaker 2:I'm saying what would happen.
Speaker 5:I think the dynamic would change.
Speaker 2:It changes for a moment. And then you, you know he says all the right things and then what do you get?
Speaker 8:what are you getting paid to be the project coordinator, slash administrative assistant? What do you make a year?
Speaker 5:um approximately like fifty thousand dollars okay, you can go find another giving her a paycheck for helping him with this stuff. On top of paying for everything, she has her own money. All her bills are paid.
Speaker 6:Plus she gets $50,000.
Speaker 5:Plus she's getting $1,000 a week For doing.
Speaker 6:I'm sure like one-third as much as she thinks she does.
Speaker 5:But she's mad because the business isn't hers. This is nuts. And these two amping her up. They, like you're supposedly crazy. You're supposed to just say to her listen, he's your husband, like you. You if you guys might need to go to couples therapy and work this out, but he's your husband and you guys need to. You know. You need to obey your husband. Like what are you meddling? You need to go get another job, honey, honey. You need to show that man who's boss. That's literally what they're telling her. This is insane.
Speaker 6:These men make me sick I mean they are right she should quit, but it's so that she can be a mother yes yes, but I guarantee she doesn't actually want that right. She says she wants kids but I guarantee she doesn't want to like that right. She says she wants kids but I guarantee she doesn't want to like be a stay-at-home mom because she doesn't have to work. I you know, I'm sure the husband gave her this made-up title because she wanted it this is nuts.
Speaker 5:These people are nuts. I don't know. This is this is why we're in the mess we're in today. I don't know. Yeah, it's hard to listen. We can, we can scratch it. I just, I just couldn't believe what I was listening to. I'm like this is totally nuts. Um, you want to tell what happened with you with the ai thing? What was that all about?
Speaker 6:it was quite the interesting weekend at the county fair. So, okay, so, like, like, everywhere I go, I, I carry, I carry a firearm. Every time I leave the house I'm carrying. And the thing about people who conceal carry for those of you who don't know is we tend to know the laws regarding it really well, because if you screw up, if you're wrong, it's like automatically a felony Right, like a federal felony usually. So we know the laws surrounding it pretty well. So I made sure that carrying to the county fair the public county fair on public county grounds, was legal, which there's no reason why it shouldn't be. It's literally public land at a public event. Um, you know minnesota, private companies can say you can't carry in here and they can make you leave. But like, even that you're not breaking the law, they're just making you leave, like they can make anyone leave. So it's really no big deal. Like if you carry into a mall, it's not illegal, they'll just make you leave right, you're not catching a charge for it right, right, exactly.
Speaker 6:But this is, this is public county land at a public event, so there's nothing they can do for to anyone who wants to carry, as long as here in minnesota you have the permit. So I carried, like I always do, and, um, I had it tucked under my shirt, uh, carried outside the waistband tucked under the shirt, like usual, and we were at the bounce houses and iggy um, iggy, I think he fell, scuffed his knee, so he was crying. So I picked him up and held him and, as I like, picked him up and held him. It caused my shirt to pull up and I didn't know that at the time. But the gun was exposed and in minnesota that's fine. You can carry concealed or you can open carry. As long as you have the permit, it doesn't matter, it's legal both ways, right? So there are times and places where I open carry, like if I'm going on to the woods I'm not tucking it under my T-shirt. But so the gun was exposed and I didn't realize it, I don't know how long it was exposed for. So the gun was exposed and I didn't realize it, I don't know how long it was exposed for.
Speaker 6:But this older boomer guy comes up and he's got his phone and he's pointing at his phone. He goes you know, you can't have that here. I'm like can't have what here? He's like you can't have your gun here. I look down, I'm like, oh, I'm sorry. I'm like I didn't know it was showing. I didn't know it was showing but, no, it is legal for me to have here. He goes no, no, it's not.
Speaker 6:It says right here that the county doesn't allow guns at the fair. And I'm like I looked at it and what he had done is he Googled. I didn't see what phrase he had Googled, but he Googled something. And you know how. Now, when you Google something, it pops up with an AI summary. It generates for you instead of giving you websites, pops up with an ai summary. It generates for you instead of giving you websites. The ai summary that it generated says that the county we're in doesn't allow firearms at the county fair. And I looked at. I'm like, sir, that that's the. The ai summary is wrong. I I looked at the laws. I even looked at the fair website that there are no official fair rules at all. Even, yeah, like, the ai summary is wrong. He's wrong. He's like AI, what are you talking about. It's right here in black and white. You can't have that.
Speaker 8:I'm like.
Speaker 6:I'm like no sir, I'm sure that's that's not the law, that's that's the computer making it up. It's wrong. I'm like I promise I can have it here, but no big deal, you have a good day, sir. So I took me and the kids and hope, and we just walked to like the other side of the fair. Even you know, even though the kids were playing on the bounce house, we went to like the animal barn, literally on the other side of the fair.
Speaker 6:And about 10 minutes later, on the other side of the fair, a fair official and cop I see walking across the field towards us and I'm like oh boy, oh boy, oh boy. And the fair official walks up and he's like no, we know you're carrying, but it is legal, you don't need to leave or put it in your car or anything. But can you just hide it better? I'm like he's like there's families around. He's like this is, you know, there's families around. And I'm like I know there's families around, I have mine right here. That's why I'm carrying, you know, to keep them safe. And it is hidden, even though it doesn't legally have to be.
Speaker 6:And uh, he's like well, we're just gonna have the officer here, check your id and make sure you're good the officer officer was thankfully number one, a male yeah, don't know what would have happened if it was some some you know a hyperventilating woman cop. But also number two, the cop was a game warden which generally, if you're like out in the woods hunting, they're the last person you want to see because their powers that they can, the things they can do to check to see if you're following game laws, are like greater than what cops can do to see if you murdered someone. But so out in the woods is a bad thing, but like in a county fair, like I'd rather have a cop who's used to dealing with guys with guns out in the woods all the time than with some you know hyperventilating small town woman cop. But so he checked my id and he's like he's like everything looks good you're, you're good to go, have fun, have a good weekend. I gotta go tell this gentleman that his phone was wrong.
Speaker 5:What's funny is you could have gone. Is this a consensual encounter, officer? Oh my gosh. This is a consensual encounter because if it is, I'm not required to show you my id unless you have probable cause to think I'm committing a crime. Do you have probable cause to think I'm committing a crime?
Speaker 6:I don't want to show you my id carrying a gun was the probable cause. Okay like so in minnesota you do not have to legally inform an officer when you're carrying, like if I get pulled over, um, I don't have to tell the cop that I'm carrying, but you do out of courtesy, you? It's going to depend on the situation. For instance, do you remember that?
Speaker 6:uh, orlando castile case yeah, yeah, he said that was in st paul, uh, down in the twin cities, while I was living down there. Matter of fact, the cop the cop who shot him was an old high school friend of mine. I played football with the guy that poor guy well, that poor guy.
Speaker 6:Anyone who knows, who knows this guy, the cop right knows. I mean I love the guy, I played football with him. He's a good guy, really good guy. He was not cut out to be a cop, yeah, just in those types of stressful situations, not cut out for it. But I mean there are times where you, you don't want to tell him because it's, it's not going to help.
Speaker 5:The situation adds to the tension right.
Speaker 6:If there's any sort of situation where I think that that is going to come up anyways, or like the cop is going to ask me to, you know, to you know to search me, or anything like that, yeah, at that point I'm going to tell them so that they don't find a gun. I wonder what the heck? Um, but otherwise it's just going to probably cause problems. But in minnesota, when they ask you if you're carrying, you do you have to tell them at that point. So the fact that he thought I was carrying and asked at that point I had to provide it, which is fine, whatever, I wasn't doing anything illegal.
Speaker 5:It's just so funny how nosy people are and how they have to just stick their freaking nose in everybody's business.
Speaker 6:The confidence this guy had for googling something it's like and I mean, I get it there's. I saw certain people carrying a weapon. I would question whether or not they should be right. But like, here I am holding one of my crying kids while I have two other kids in the bounce house and I have my stroller right here, right, like, yeah, I'm sure I'm there to shoot up the county fair with my kids in hand.
Speaker 5:It's just like well, at least the cop had some common sense and didn't go off the rails with it.
Speaker 6:But it's just it it really is.
Speaker 5:It's how it, like you said, like, like a um. It's how swattings because when somebody tries to swat you, like you're putting intense, like you're there with your kids, you cause absolutely no issue. The guy has like I don't know the guy really thought there was a problem, he't have came up and argued with you about it, right?
Speaker 6:like, really, if you really think I'm a criminal illegally carrying your gun, you think coming up to me and in confronting me is the best?
Speaker 5:way to go about it.
Speaker 6:It's so like you obviously had to think that I was not in a problem. So if I'm not a problem, why are you making it a problem? Because you're some.
Speaker 5:You know older boomer guy who's got to insert himself into everything it's just so crazy how people just have to stick those.
Speaker 6:So I I don't know if he went to a fair official or if he called the cops, but I mean, you're absolutely right, the way he he framed it could have really caused an issue, like if he had said something like there's some some argumentative guy flashing his gun, yeah the fair. Oh, I could have been, oh, you'd have been on the ground in two seconds, yeah it would have been in front of your kids, oh man.
Speaker 5:He definitely went to to the park official and pointed you out. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, he went and pointed you at that guy over there. He's carrying a gun and it was exposed.
Speaker 6:That means a park official followed me all the way across the fair for 10 minutes watching me.
Speaker 5:Yeah, well, probably just to make sure you weren't there to cause.
Speaker 6:And I do get it Whatever I got. No problem with that.
Speaker 5:People are just so nosy.
Speaker 6:So when I went back the next day, I carried a much smaller gun in my pocket. What's funny is in the stroller. They all were worried about the gun on my hip. In the stroller, in the backpack I was carrying, I had this thing. God didn't ask about this one.
Speaker 5:It's just. I've just seen so many police encounters go horrifically wrong. That to to, to put cops on somebody for no reason is just crazy to me. At this point I have a totally different view of cops than I did 10, 15 years ago, like I used to. I used to be a back the blue guy. Now I'm just like you know what man. They're human. They're just like anybody else and a lot of times these guys they get, they get on a power trip and they think who the hell they are. And it just it. They. It's like getting your ideas like crack to them. It's just crazy. It's like once they ask for your ID, it's just nuts. I've just seen so many of them do stupid. I mean, especially during COVID when they were going around shutting down people's churches and things like that.
Speaker 6:It's like these guys man it's um, what was nice is the cop like the he. He put my name down in his little notebook, right, I'm sure, just in case he got a call later that day about you know. Yeah, but he, he just looked at my two ids my carry permit and my id to make sure that they matched and had the same address and he gave him back. He didn't run like he could have he didn't run them or anything.
Speaker 6:See if you have warrants out or anything he didn't care and I'm sure he didn't want to deal. He's probably thinking he does have warrants. I don't want to deal with them while he's armed.
Speaker 5:Yeah well that's the thing like the. He wanted to just appear as if he was doing his due diligence, which you you had a good cop. That, that's 100 very good there are times where you get roped in with some cop who's on a power trip and his ego if you don't answer to him the exact way you're supposed to answer they just, they're just pissed at.
Speaker 6:You know, being tasked to be the cop at the coney fair that day, right like yeah, they could be in a bad mood and really wreck your day the worst to encounter.
Speaker 5:I've had two bad run-ins with the cops. They were both when I was a teenager. One of them, I was running from them on a dirt bike like I was on a dirt bike and they freaking caught me riding on the street and they chased me down and I tried running and then I just realized I'm not getting away. So I pulled the bike over and I and I stopped and the cop got out of the car and treated me like I was a freaking murder suspect. Bro. I was 14 years old, threw me on the ground bending my arms back like I'm just like bro. I stopped for you. I'm not going anywhere. You think you're gonna elude the police on me?
Speaker 6:I mean, to be fair, you were born in 81, so 14. I mean that's right in the middle of. Uh, was that right in the middle like giuliani's crackdowns in the 90s?
Speaker 5:well, I'm not in new york city though, I'm out on long island like in suffolk. So it was probably like 94. I was like 96, maybe 96, it's probably right around when giuliani got in. But it wasn't new york city, like, it's on long island, like dude.
Speaker 5:We all rode dirt bikes as kids and it was like fun. We would run from the cops, like the cops would try and chase you. You'd find a spot of woods to go in and you just take off the woods, they'd you shut your lights off, you'd hide from them. They'd never find you, you know, and it was fun, like like we did it all the time when we were kids. I just I saw there was like no woods near me and I was like, ah, screw it, I just got the dirt bike too.
Speaker 5:I bought it like a week earlier from my freaking friend and I was just riding it from my house to my friend's house just to like show him the bike that I got, and the freaking cop impounded the bike. He freaking threw me on the ground. He was like he freaking impounded the bike on me and then I was like how do I get this thing back? And they wound up selling it at an auction and a year later I'm in like the local town and I see some kid riding my freaking dirt bike. And I'm like this kid's on my dirt bike, me and my friends chased the kid down and stole the dirt bike back from him.
Speaker 6:A lot of a lot of like oh god, a lot of gun guys, right, right, we have our favorite guns that we love to shoot, the nicest ones, right, those generally aren't the ones we carry, because if you ever have to use that thing to defend your life, never getting that back.
Speaker 5:Never getting it back, it's going to be confiscated for an investigation? Do you?
Speaker 6:remember that lawyer in St Louis who had the pictures taken of him out on his front yard and like the white, white chinos, the polo and the ar, and that thing didn't even shoot, right, no, he didn't shoot that at anyone.
Speaker 5:I'm saying it didn't, it wasn't capable of shooting, I think. Oh, no, it definitely was.
Speaker 6:Oh okay, okay but so the cops took that that was in 2020 during the rides. He just got it back monday, I think, oh wow, or last friday or something yeah, this cop impounded my bike.
Speaker 5:I wound up seeing this kid riding it like a year later me and my friends chasing that. I stole the bike back from the kid because I was like that's my bike, like you're not having my bike, I'm riding it from taking it from the kid. And I was riding it home and the motor seized on me like the kid didn't put oil in the gas or something and the motor sees riding it from around the kid's house to my house.
Speaker 5:The motor sees oh, it sucks so that was one bad encounter I had with the cops. What was the other one? Um, I can't even tell that story. I guess I can't. Whatever I was like I guess I can. Whatever. I was like 16. I was with my friends. It was actually kind of funny. I'm in the car, it's like six of us in the car and I had some weed on me or whatever, and the cops pull us over, they pull us all out of the car and I threw the weed on the floor of the car. So it's me and five other kids One of the kids is black.
Speaker 6:The cops pull us all out of the car. You've told me this story.
Speaker 5:They find the weed in the car and they put the black kid in the car. We're taking him in. We're taking him in, unless somebody else messes up to it. The kid's like you're only doing this because I'm black, he's flipping out.
Speaker 6:We're all like, yeah, he's kind of only doing this and I was just like, but at the same time you're like, keep up keep up the concentrate on you.
Speaker 5:No, I admitted to. I didn't want to let the kid go in for something. I did so I admitted to it and the cop pulled me on the side and he goes look, because I'm not even gonna arrest you. He going to arrest you. He was going to arrest the black kid. When I told him it was funny. He goes, I'm not going to arrest you. He goes, I'm going to write you a summons. He goes. You got to show up to court for you know, I was like it was nothing, it was like a dime bag or something. And he goes. But you know he's, you got it from I'll. I'll make sure the summons disappears.
Speaker 5:I wind up not calling him, obviously, and my parents got a court, a notice in the mail. So I'm like 16 years old and my parents get a notice in the mail that I have to appear in court for a summons for weed and my father just comes to my room and he's just like are you freaking, kidding me? You weren't even gonna tell me about this. He's like how are you not gonna tell you? Like, what are you gonna do? They're gonna have a warrant out for your arrest. Next thing you know you're gonna be getting arrested. He's like why would you not tell me about? Because I was terrified to tell my dad. My dad, freaking, took off of work, came down to court with me and he got me out of everything. I never got in trouble for it.
Speaker 5:I never got grounded nothing but yeah, it was one of the really good um, like it's a really good instance of my father letting me know, like even if you get in trouble, you can come to me, like don't worry about like getting grounded or something like if you ever face any real trouble, you get in the trouble with the law, anything, just come to me, like don't worry about it, we'll figure it out together. He was like so upset that I was afraid to come to him with this actual problem I had because I was terrified he's gonna kill me. And he wound up coming down. Yeah, it was a good, it was a. It was a good dad story. He freaking, came, he took off of work, he came to court with me and he talked to the judge. He sat there, he told the judge you know, I got nine kids my son.
Speaker 5:You know it's the first time he's ever been in trouble. I wound up getting like nothing for it. It was like you know it was. It was dismissed out of court. They were like just don't get in trouble for the next six months or something so that's how you got your end card.
Speaker 6:Huh stood up for the black kid dude.
Speaker 5:I have so many stories like that. When I was a kid man, just getting in stupid trial, I was such a such a troublemaker. I was always in trouble. Um, yeah, you know what it is? My dad's filled with this day smokes pot, but he's just, he's just a boomer pothead. My dad, he grows it in his backyard. That was my dad. Well, that was the first time I was ever in trouble with the law. I wasn't. I was never. I never got in trouble with the law like I was never. That was the only. That was the closest I ever came to getting around. I've never been arrested. I've never gotten in any like real trouble like that. But, yeah, my, my dad, uh, these, how are you standing up for the blacks? I knew you were in league with each other. We'll go on Latin Slavs when we get an invite. You guys don't invite us on A new lore drop man I got.
Speaker 1:Let me try to think Is there any?
Speaker 5:other wild things that happen. I mean it's funny how these things come to your mind. You forget all about them.
Speaker 6:The close. Yeah, the only my first year of college, like so I didn't drink in high school. The first time I drank was the summer after senior year, um, but my first, like the first weekend in college down in nebraska. So I went to college in lincoln, nebraska. My roommate and I go out to some house party somewhere, right, and we just get there and there's a band playing in the backyard. We just get there, we just find, well, we had found beers and we had. I was like almost through my first one, my roommate had finished, he had just gone to get a second one. He comes back right when three or four flashlights turn on throughout the crowd, right, and it's the cops. My roommate just drops this beer he hadn't even opened, yeah, and the cop comes over like if you guys, uh, drink it all around, it's like we each had one. It's like, well, you better hit the dusty trail then. And my roommate goes what's?
Speaker 6:you're just saying I'm like, shut up, let's go we.
Speaker 5:I ever tell the story about what I got all right.
Speaker 6:So we were at a house party yes, I was a loser in high school, you're right, thank you we were at a house party.
Speaker 5:I was like 16 years old, six, no wait, how old. How old is Dom? My brother? Dom is 45. No, he's 40. Dom was born in 78. So he's 47, right, 47. Okay, so we left the party. I must have been 18. He's three years older than me, so we leave the party at 18. We were at this house party and I'm drinking I had like like four or five drinks and we were planning on staying there the whole night and the freaking cops come and break it up. So I gotta pack out a car. Now. I'm in a rental car from that woman. You know the notorious woman.
Speaker 5:I know she's got a rental car for me, but not the rental car, not, not, not the one I wrecked. Totally a rental car for me, but not the rental car.
Speaker 5:Not the one you wrecked Not the one I wrecked Totally different rental car. This is after that. So that rental car I wrecked, I was 16. This is when I'm 18, I guess I must have been 18. No, because I was dating Nicole at that time. I must have been. I said it would be earlier. Right, it was the year, the year was okay. So me and Nicole were together from 15 to 16. We broke up for junior year. So it was a junior year. I was, I was 17. So my brother's four years older than me, because my brother was 21. So this is the year me and Nicole were broken up. So me and Nicole were together from 15 to 16. We broke up for junior year all of 11th grade. So I was in 11th grade.
Speaker 5:We leave this party. We leave this party. I have it's. I'm driving the rental car. There's I have four friends and four girls on their laps. So we're in a Toyota Corolla with seven people like I'm driving and then eight people more than nine of us in a Toyota Corolla. Every guy has a girl on their lap. Ok, there's cases of beer on the floor. I already had like five drinks.
Speaker 5:We leave the party and everybody leaving the party is like where are we going to meet up? And they're like oh, let's go meet up at three, 68. It's a parking lot behind St Patrick's church, which is where I go to confession, the Nova Sordo church. I go to confession that now. So there's a parking lot directly across the street from St Pat's and I pull in this parking lot in this rental car doing 60 and rip the e-brake and do a 180 in the parking lot and there's three cops sitting in the parking lot, three cops sitting in the parking lot and I'm just like, oh my God, oh gosh, I'm done, like I was done. I'm like holy, like holy cow, what am I gonna do right now?
Speaker 5:The cop comes over to the window. He goes you freaking idiot, how old are you? 21. What's your name? Dominic abadi. I gave my brother's name. Did you drink anything tonight? Yes, I was. I had two drinks. What's your date of birth? I him my brother's date of birth. I gave him all. I got my brother's info memorized and my brother was 21. I was 17. The cop looks at me and he goes pull that car into that parking spot right now. Get somebody to pick all you guys up. If I see you on the road again in that car. I'm arresting you and anybody in it and he freaking.
Speaker 6:Let me go by the way they figured out the racket. You, you have going on you go to the last mass, but you figured out how to still get the novus orto three.
Speaker 5:Hail mary penance I go there out of convenience because I'm not driving an hour to go to confession dude. So that's actually we go. So the novus orto parish, probably on saturday, has confession from four to five and then Sunday morning before the 9 am Mass. From 8 am to 9 am they have confession there. So I'll usually shoot to go to confession Sunday morning and then come home and get ready for mass and we'll go to mass at the Latin mass, nice. Yes, this has definitely been handled in a general convention. It wasn't my car, it was a rental car. Anybody doesn't know this woman rented. Her husband was killed. He was mobbed up and they found him in the back of a car right Back of a trunk.
Speaker 5:yeah, so I was friends with her son and was like long before anything shady happened with her. But the first incident was she rented a car and he was borrowing the car and I was like yo, can I drive the car? It was like a. It was a freaking. It's a pretty fast car. It was like a pretty quick car. I was like, oh, can I drive it? So he let me drive.
Speaker 5:Nicole was in the passenger seat and he was in the backseat and I hit a freaking tree doing 70 miles an hour. Like it was Christmas Eve. Oh, no, no, christmas night, christmas night. So it was like after we hung out with our families and stuff and me, nicole and my friend went and hung out and I was driving the rental car and I hit a tree doing 70. Totaled the car. I had no seatbelt on. I went through the freaking windshield. Like I still have a scar on my eye. I should have died that night. I was going to say how did you survive? It was one of those because of the airbag. The airbag saved me, but I the like I didn't go through the windshield.
Speaker 6:my head went through the windshield and then like I that those were the, those were the doubts back when the airbags would kill you usually yeah, it was.
Speaker 5:It was a miracle that I survived. It really was. And it was one of those moments where you start recollecting on your life and you start thinking about all the things you're doing and like, yeah, it was just one of those, like my first, first deep thought of god and really you know, thinking about my behavior and this is the kind of trouble I was in when I was younger, so this was we.
Speaker 5:I was 16 when that happened. I didn't even have a license, I had a permit, I think, and the first time my parents met nico Nicole's parents was in the hospital that night.
Speaker 5:That was like their first encounter with Nicole's parents. It was like, oh man, my parents are meeting my girl, me and Nicole probably just broken up or we were still. We still dating. It was like that 15 to 16 times right before junior year when that happened. But that was like for years. They hated me after that because I almost killed their daughter in a car accident. You know, it was just. They got a point. But that was like for years. They hated me after that because I almost killed their daughter in a car accident. You know, it was just. They got a point. Yeah, when we started dating again, they were just like this guy, you're bringing him around, are you kidding me? And then, on top of that, anytime they would bump into other kids' parents from school. The other kids' parents would be like you're letting your daughter date that guy. I was like you're letting your daughter date that guy.
Speaker 5:So it was this uphill battle with my in-laws for several years, of getting them to actually like me again. It was hard but I just I was like I don't care, I love this girl. Like you guys have to deal with me, but yeah, the guardian angel needs a guardian angel or a drinking buddy man. Yeah, no kidding, my mom's prayers have kept me alive for many years. I calmed down a lot like once I my, my, my crazy years, like that's what's interesting. A lot of people have their wild years in their 20s. My wild years were like 14 to 20.
Speaker 6:Mine were in my twenties.
Speaker 5:Yeah, mine was 14 to 20. Like, once I saw once me and Nicole started getting serious. Like she calmed me down so much and I just like I got, I was like, no way, I don't want to get in trouble anymore. So my, my crazy years were all my teen years. Yeah, majority, and I expect all of you guys, like, when we do the next meetup, I expect all of you guys to be there. Yeah, if I was a boomer, I'd never let aunt date my daughter.
Speaker 5:It took years to get my in-laws to come around on me a very long time. Yeah, nicole tamed the beast, that's for sure. I was just always in trouble, like I was. I did stupid stuff, just always in trouble. Man, it needs to stop his daughters from dating someone like him. I'll be honest. That's why I'm not actually against, like, if my daughters meet a guy like me who is a little bit wild, it's like I do know there's potential there. You know it's like you. You'd rather your daughter meet a guy with a little bit of wild tendencies in them than a guy who's kind of aloof and just isn't a go-getter.
Speaker 5:You know, I was always, as soon as I started dating my wife, I was like I gotta figure out how to get everything in order. Like I was a high school dropout but I just went to work right away, I was always trying to just figure out a way to be, like, marriageable from 17, 18. Like I, I knew I wanted to marry her that that young, like at 17, 18. Um, I, I'm, I'm still I. I I'm still doing the most two meals a day. Somebody's asking if I'm fasting. Still I, I do the most two meals a day. I's asking if I'm fasting still I do the most two meals a day. I try to still do one meal a day. I'm still losing weight. I'm still. I have not gained any of the weight back from Lent at all.
Speaker 5:Nice, yeah, all right, I think this one went well. I was worried where we were going to go after your gun story, but I was like, oh, we got nothing left in the chamber. I guess it's time to tell personal childhood stories. That's always the default Whenever we run out of material. It's like all right, I got a couple things I could tell you. Thank you, majore. I appreciate it. All right. Yeah, we'll be back on Thursday. Thursday we got a debate. Oh, is that this thursday? Yeah, is the church on the decline or on the on the rise? I don't know how anybody could see it say it's on the rise, but we'll see how that goes.
Speaker 6:Yeah, we'll see how it goes. It's not gonna be a not a formal debate.
Speaker 5:Those are gay yeah, well, we'll see how it goes. First debate on our channel, if I guess.
Speaker 6:Hopefully it goes well, yeah all right, guys, we will see you on. Goes first debate on our channel, if I guess.
Speaker 5:Hopefully it goes well yeah, all right guys, we will see you on thursday.
Speaker 6:Thanks for hanging have a good night everyone.
