Michael Lofton Strikes Back & The Right Wing E-Girl War

Catholic media stands at a crossroads as Vatican strategies collide with the reality of online Catholic content creation. This episode pulls back the curtain on Michael Lofton's recent Vatican visit for a digital media influencer conference, revealing fascinating tensions between traditional Catholic voices and the Vatican's apparent desire to control Catholic messaging online.

We examine compelling footage of Catholic influencers wandering the Vatican, making connections, and positioning themselves as bridges between Rome and the online faithful. The speculation around Pope Leo potentially addressing social media in an upcoming encyclical raises profound questions: Will we soon see Vatican-approved "verified" Catholic content creators? What happens to traditional Catholic voices in such a system? The potential for a further divided Catholic media landscape looms large as institutional authority meets grassroots Catholic content.

The conversation shifts to a broader examination of Catholic influencer culture, particularly among female personalities whose recent online behavior demonstrates how far "conservative" influencers often stray from authentic Catholic values. This leads to a captivating exploration of Christianity's civilizing influence throughout history - how the Gospel eliminated human sacrifice, established orphanages, protected the vulnerable, and elevated women's dignity in ways modern feminism fails to acknowledge.

Throughout, we maintain our trademark blend of serious theological reflection and lighthearted banter, providing insights you simply won't find in mainstream Catholic media. Whether you're concerned about the direction of Catholic social media, curious about Vatican communications strategy, or interested in Christianity's historical impact on civilization, this episode delivers thought-provoking perspective that challenges conventional narratives.

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Transcript

Catholic Mustache Discussion

Speaker 1 0:11

we have the most mustaches per capita of any catholic show um you, you me, john caleb, we all have mustaches we all have mustaches it's the Zoomer mustache.

Speaker 3 0:25

It's the Zoomer mustache.

Speaker 4 0:32

Oh boy, oh man. Really, really, Anthony really, really, anthony, I gotta tell you I don't get the freddie mercury look-alike contest these young kids got going on. It's the worst look ever. If you're not like tom selleck, you can't pull it off. I don't get it and the irony of that.

Speaker 4 1:00

Coming from an italian, I'm just saying I don't understand the mustache. Look, I don't. I I don't know. It's funny. I don't think a single girl finds it attractive either. It's just all guys telling each other they look good in it and none of them look good in it.

Speaker 5 1:14

I don't get it is this maybe why the zoomers?

Michael Lofton's Vatican Visit

Speaker 4 1:17

have trouble dating. It might be. I think if you guys all shaved your mustaches, you all get married quick. But uh, what a wild day, man. I didn't know. When I woke up this morning I had no idea what we were going to talk about. I was like I I hadn't. I was like we have to discuss lofton becoming a lay cardinal. We have to discuss him. He runs the curia now like that's it he's. He's basically telling everybody we're on notice. He made a lot of new connections. I'm like all right, so we definitely got to talk about that. And then, freaking, sarah Stock goes and just all she did was posted a picture of her engagement ring and, holy hell, broke loose.

Speaker 5 1:56

So is this going to be another episode where, if you don't, if you're not on Twitter, you might as well not even watch it?

Speaker 4 2:00

Yeah, if you're not on Twitter, you missed out on a lot of drama today, but then I do have.

Speaker 5 2:06

Now that's gonna be like the first if you don't like twitter because of all the drama, we're bringing it right to you guys exactly, but I actually I have, um, we have a couple things.

Speaker 4 2:15

Um, we have the this idiot woman, uh, uh, talking about how, how the incan civilization was so civilized we, we could play that clip. I have two parts to that. Then I have this woman In 1993, her husband disappeared without a trace. Ten years later they declared him deceased. So she moves on and gets remarried 23 years after he disappeared originally. So 13 years after she gets married she gets a call that he's alive. He disappeared originally. So 13 years after she gets married, she gets a call that he's alive. So I I asked is is she now in an adulterous relationship with her new husband? It's an interest, it's an interesting she did get remarried the guy disappears.

Speaker 4 2:58

They can't find them anywhere. 10 years later he gets declared dead. So she then gets remarried and has kids with this new guy. And 13 years after she gets married so 23 years after he disappears she gets a call from detectives. The guy got arrested for something and when they fingerprinted him they found his fingerprint match from his original identity. It's a whole story, but I just I thought it was interesting so I asked is the original marriage valid and is her second marriage invalid and does that?

Speaker 5 3:34

well, it all depends relationship the whether or not the first marriage is valid has very little to do with the disappearance right we'll get into it when we play the clip.

Speaker 4 3:44

It's an interesting clip Really.

Speaker 5 3:45

it doesn't matter either way, because she's probably going to kill him. So you know what I mean. Well, we'll get into that.

Speaker 4 3:53

So that's an interesting one. Then we have people making their dead children into AI interviews. And then I have the most insane Dave Ramsey advice clip I've ever heard in my life like the most mind-bogglingly insane. I don't know what he was thinking. It's not even financial advice, it's basically marriage advice and I'm baffled by it and I think you guys will enjoy it so boomers, but so um an ai.

Speaker 4 4:25

It's been a long week already, that's another one, so all right, so let's let's discuss michael lofton going to oh, before we have any, we don't have any. We don't have anything to promote anymore.

Speaker 4 4:36

It's just like, like and subscribe, that's it we do have that go fund me though yeah, we could mention that there's a is a young guy, 31 years old, who passed away. His wife was a stay at home mom and they're going to be in for some hard times. So Rob will post the Gibson Go if you guys want to help them out. Catholic family few kids, mothers all on her own now.

Speaker 5 5:01

So yeah, I mean 31 years old, has a heart attack.

Speaker 4 5:06

Um, yeah, no, like he was out of shape. You know, the first question I probably see is everybody's still doesn't.

Speaker 4 5:14

Um, so I don't like most of Dave Ramsey's marriage advice clips. You're really not going to like this one. You're really not going to like this one. So, um, yeah, I think I think this is true. I think Lofton won. He played the long game. He, uh, you know, he went and he talked about how Muslims are going to heaven. Uh, and he played the long game and they invited him to the Vatican and now he made a bunch of. He made a. He's basically running the curious. So why don't we go to his feed? Let's, let's start with his interview with Franco, and we're going to break Franco's chops a little bit here. We have to, Because I like Franco, but it's pretty bad.

Speaker 5 5:55

So where am I going? Did you send me something? Go to.

Speaker 4 5:57

Lofton's feed and then scroll down, because he tweeted a lot today. He's very chatty today and I'm blocked so I can't send you the link to his tweet into the show notes. So you have to actually just go to his feed, scroll down and then pull up the Franco interview.

Speaker 5 6:18

The Franco interview, the one with him, and that Iron Inquisitor guy? Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 6:27

We didn't lose our sponsor. Our sponsor can't ship in the summer, so they're coming back in the fall. Don't worry, we have some things in the works we can't talk about yet. There's going to be some big news coming soon.

Speaker 5 6:40

Yeah, the big news is that they can't ship in the fall either, probably.

Speaker 4 6:45

That would be our luck. All right, Lofton won. All right, let's see. Do we have to watch this?

Speaker 5 6:51

Yes, okay.

Speaker 1 6:56

All right, so I'm here at the Vatican with two heavy hitters, franco and the Iron Inquisitor Franco. Let me start with you. Tell me what do you think so far about your experience at the Vatican.

Speaker 2 7:08

I mean like to be honest, this whole place mogs like literally any other building locations ever. Like the amount of arts.

Speaker 5 7:19

This is so bad Franco and mogs.

Speaker 4 7:23

This is the ambassadors they're bringing to the vatican for social media. I'm sorry guys, come on we're talking about the vatican and I love you, franco, but come on now, you can't, you can't be serious with this.

Speaker 2 7:39

Oh play the rest of it like it's like as if someone was performing at 200, over and over and over and, over and over again. The amount of art here is incredible, like it just shows, I mean, it's, it's, it's so awesome to see how much the catholic faith can be put onto the arts. And, of course, because the catholicism is the one true faith, right, the fullness of the faith, it just I mean all, all this art is just I love how he had to correct himself.

Speaker 5 8:11

He couldn't let him just say the one true faith. He had to be like no, no, no, it's just the fullness of the oh, I don't want to.

Speaker 4 8:16

I don't want to be me the franco. I do like frank. He's a good kid. I've met him. He has my phone number. He'll be texting me. We're just teasing you, franco. Seriously, mogs. These are the ambassadors in the Vatican. It's just wild. I think there might be one other video right near that one that you can check out, where Lofton talks about how he made some great Vaticanatican connections hold on, wait a minute.

Speaker 5 8:50

Oh, he is holding a microphone in his hand. For a second it looked. It looked like there was nothing in his hand and he was just using it as a prop oh no, he's got, but he's got a little road.

Speaker 4 8:59

Go to the video I think it's before that where uh, yeah, it's the one before that I made some great Vatican connections. This is where we're all in trouble, because he was staying in Cardinal's apartments and stuff. I mean I think we're all getting excommunicated.

Speaker 5 9:18

Is it super prudential to have men staying in?

Speaker 4 9:23

Oh, stop, I'm not.

Speaker 5 9:29

I don't think Michael Lofton is homosexual.

Speaker 4 9:31

Oh, stop it. I'm just saying, like the last time we heard about.

Speaker 5 9:34

Cardinals apartments in the Vatican. There was two stories One, burke, was getting kicked out of his, and the one before that was the gay orgies. They were having the drug-fueled gay orgies they were having he stayed in Coco. Palmieri's apartment. How smart it is to put these influencers up with cardinals.

Speaker 4 9:53

I don't know. I don't know, maybe I misunderstood. Oh yeah, that's probably here's the thing. All right, we'll play the clip and then I'll say I have some of this.

Speaker 1 10:03

Hey everyone, so wrapping it up here at the Vatican, it's been an incredible experience First, off.

Speaker 5 10:09

Michael, if your wife beater is visible through your shirt, wear a different shirt.

Speaker 4 10:17

Come on, you wear cargo shorts in Rome.

Speaker 5 10:21

I'm a guy wearing a graphic T-shirt telling you these things Do better.

Vatican's Catholic Media Strategy

Speaker 1 10:26

I've had a lot of wonderful opportunities Got to attend the Jubilee here and the conference for digital media influencers. I was also able to attend the Vatican Secretariat of State, got a really cool tour of the property as well as the ability to make some really important connections, and over the course of the coming days and weeks I'm going to take advantage of that and offer some important feedback to the Vatican on the situation in the Catholic Church, on social media and things that I think.

Speaker 5 11:06

Do you he's going gonna go to his vatican contacts.

Speaker 4 11:08

this anthony abate goon needs to go well here's the thing, everybody, because he originally like the reason I even got caught on to this is because wagner like he made some. He was like he knew this was happening. So like before it happened, he put out a video saying, like you know, I told the vatican they need to consult me and I need to help them. And and wagner like went off on me. He's like you, pompous, arrogant, whatever he's like. How could you think you're so self-important?

Speaker 5 11:35

and then he was a good bait and switch by law.

Speaker 4 11:37

So now, like everybody's, kind of like back it off, because it's like, oh man, he went to rome, but me, I'm like no, I'm never gonna back off of him, I don't care, now's the time to pile, just pile on him, I don't care, I don't care, I'm not ever going.

Speaker 5 11:55

It's funny he's acting like he was given something different than literally every other influencer that went there.

Speaker 4 12:00

Yeah, he's got he's got some important stuff to. He gave some important feedback, but meanwhile he just filled out a questionnaire like all the rest of it. I'm just kidding. Michael, we wish you the best. We're very happy for you. You are the no, you are the new american correspondent for the vatican communications department. This is wonderful news for you, um, but uh, do you think that this is going to uh lead to the pope maybe addressing social media and catholic content creators? That's because that's kind of what I'm thinking. I'm thinking they had all these guys come there. We all know leo's got an encyclical coming. Uh, we know he wants to address ai. Do you think there will be some kind of an imprimatur coming from rome for these catholic shows and things like that?

Speaker 5 12:57

I mean, if there is, it's going to be as useful as the one for books. If james martin's books can get one, then anyone and their mom will be able to get him.

Speaker 4 13:07

You know one for yeah, besides treads that that won't be allowed, but I think that's what might be coming. But I also think that's why it's it's smart to not. Yeah, they're going to be like catholic badges essentially right. So, like fred simon said, be like Catholic badges, essentially right. So, like Fred Simon said, be like verified badges. Verified badges so that you know that this is an approved.

Speaker 5 13:30

Just as long as the biz LARPers are forced to have a different badge, then I'm all for it.

Speaker 4 13:37

Yeah, I don't. It's interesting that. All right, well, I'll get off the biz.

Speaker 4 13:44

L bislop thing I don't want to get the uh, like I think that that might be coming, because we did hear I think it was baron mentioned that like a couple of years ago, talking because they were all getting very worried about the taylor marshalls and the, the trad influencers that were coming up and stuff, and they started talking about like having some kind of an imprimatur for vatican approved catholic content, like on one hand in a actual like healthy catholic world catholic church.

Speaker 5 14:21

It makes sense, right, I mean?

Speaker 5 14:22

it does but in our current church and current world, what's going to happen when they hand out these? You know, like you said, these, um, um, I can't pronounce it, but um, what, what happens when they hand them out to to? You know, only the people that are are uh reaching out to uh, gays and trans, and you know what they're going to do is they're going to segregate the people they really need to reach out to further from the church. Right, they're like they're, it's it's going to create. Yeah, it's going to segregate catholic media even more than it is yeah, yeah, I think so.

Speaker 4 15:04

And also like we're dealing with what with michael hitchborn's report today, with that bishop, like bringing up that, that guy who is already suspended. He was living with another man, like he's reinstating him into catholic, like those are the guys handing out these badges. If that does happen, yeah, they're gonna be synodal influencers, right, that's exactly what they'll be like. I really think that. So everybody thought these badges, if that does happen, yeah, they're going to be synodal influencers, that's exactly what they'll be. I really think that. So everybody thought Loftin was losing his mind with the stuff when he was talking about how Muslims and Christians, like Muslims, can actually get to heaven, not out of invincible ignorance, but because of the good things in their religion. And I think he was doing that to show the Vatican that he is so on board with the. You know, god wants the diversity of religions thing.

Speaker 5 15:58

Well, it shows one of two things Either it shows that he really was, you know, at one point a faithful Catholic and really just has gone down a really really bad heterodox path, or he really always was just a bad faith grifter and has found a path that is successful.

Catholic E-Girl Controversy

Speaker 4 16:20

Yeah, that's an interesting one. It's funny because, like he's over there with all these influencers but like he's universally disliked by him, by other influencers and I'm not even talking about like us and like I mean like the people the answers crowd doesn't like him and uh, like and I'm not saying names specifically, but I'm just telling you guys, nobody likes him like I'm. You know there might be a couple, but it's most of most of the people doing this like that. Not, and not because of his theology, it's more just because of his smugness and because he's always turned on people.

Speaker 4 16:54

Right, that it's his, it's his horrific ability to maintain friendships and, and everyone who has ever, ever worked with him, he has staffed him and anyone yeah, it's like I know Eric Ibarra made up with him, but there were so many fallouts from Lofton that it is surprising that they wanted to even involve him in any way. Now, the funny thing is he got invited because of Alex Harado voice of reason. So Alex Harado put his name out there and got him invited there. And then, when the Alex Harado voice of reason, so Alex Harado put his name out there and got him invited there. And then, when the Alex Harado situation happened, they disinvited him. Well, they wanted to disinvite him, so they threw up these obstacles. They were like you've got to get a letter from your metropolitan and his metropolitan wrote the letter and they still were trying to gatekeep him out of it. They really didn't want him in there.

Speaker 5 17:42

What really weird to me and this is a complete, kindly kind of a completely different subject but alex first started to get well known when lofton helped him out. Yeah, with alex go from that to him being the one to get lofton invited to the vatican in just a year or two uh, the alex's big break was keith nestor putting him up to the james white debate.

Speaker 4 18:22

So they, they asked keith nestor, they asked keith to do the debate with james white and jane, and keith said no, I think I'm gonna pass on that, but I have somebody that'll be good for it. So he put alex's name up there and then and then, after everybody saw his debate with james white, they were like, oh okay, this kid can handle himself and he can hold his own any.

Speaker 5 18:41

I mean it's james white right. Any catholic since the 90s should be able to handle james white pretty easily yeah, but they're rob that.

Speaker 4 18:49

They're looking for someone to pass the baton to, like they really I know it should.

Speaker 5 18:54

The whole voice of reason thing seems so um, not fabricated, but really you know what I mean. Like it wasn't organic. His, his rise was not organic, it seems like it was I feel like that's pushed from behind the scenes I feel like there's a lot of guys like that.

Speaker 4 19:15

I'm not gonna say names, but I feel like a lot of them like I don't feel like a lot of them had organic growth like it's, so what it's what I think is Orchestrated.

Speaker 5 19:25

Yes, molly, exactly Orchestrated.

Speaker 4 19:27

I, I AstroTurf is a good way to say it. So look they are all. Look the Scott Hans and the Jeff Cavins and even the, like the old, the, the, the graduating class of the nins and 2000s. Like those guys are all getting older now. And you know there's an endless supply of the Steubenville crowd, but they're all getting older now. So, like even Dr John Bergsma and Brant Petrie, like those guys are just aging out and and Catholic answer specifically needs a group of younger guys to kind of fill those shoes. So I think there is like a new class of kids coming up.

Speaker 4 20:15

I mean you got sips with Sarah, you got Cameron Riker, you got everybody that was at that influencer conference that Kyle posted. But I do think Alex was their top guy guy. I mean he was the one that they were bringing. I mean he was on lila rose's podcast, he was on frad's podcast. He was the guy they were for lack of a better term grooming to be that next guy and that kind of fell apart. So I'm curious to know what they're going to do next. But I'm telling y'all, lila is heavily involved with this stuff. It's from her where the money flows. That's very possible.

Speaker 5 20:46

I mean, she puts what millions of dollars into her own podcast. Yeah, to get these, not much more than ours.

Speaker 4 20:54

No, I know, Scott Hahn's the class of the 80s, that's not what I mean. So he was popular from the 80s until the 2010s. He still is Scott Hahn, don't get me wrong. But until the 2010s, he still is Scott Hahn, don't get me wrong. But they do need a new crop of guys that are younger, and I think they're all looking for who to go with, and I think the problem for them is that some of the guys who are actually good at this and are captivating for the audience are also have some fiery opinions about the Jewish question or they have some fiery takes on other influencers and they, you know, they might say something controversial about other guys and stuff like that. So it's it's not an easy, an easy thing for them to figure out.

Speaker 5 21:35

So the real question is Wagner goes to this conference, right, did they flip them?

Speaker 4 21:44

Um, did they flip him? Did they flip Wagner? Yeah, I mean I think I think him and Amber are besties. Now, right, I mean we saw the pictures.

Speaker 1 22:01

Oh the mighty have fallen far.

Speaker 4 22:02

I love Wagner. But, man, what were you thinking with that picture, christian? What were you thinking? I had somebody reach out to me today and say that they could, if I wanted they could, get Amber on this show to discuss the e-girl controversy. Is he absolutely insane? Like, does he actually think that would ever happen? Like some of you guys just don't know this show, I guess I don't know. Yes, but that's why I think Wagner would have been a very good fit for them, right, like wagner is kind of in that mold. Um, I'll tell you a little bit of lore. My, my wife occasionally watches amber what my wife told me yesterday.

Speaker 5 22:54

You stole a lot of internet after she goes.

Speaker 4 22:56

She goes, I don't know. I watched it the other day. She's not that bad. I'm like don't you dare put that crap on my computer.

Speaker 5 23:05

You know what. They're going to accept your proposal for history checks to be a Catholic influencer and we're all going to see the Amber Rose on your history.

Speaker 2 23:15

Yeah, no, I was making fun of her a little bit. For that, the Amber Rose.

Speaker 4 23:20

Yeah, yeah, no, I was making fun of her a little bit for that, but yeah, I don't know, man, I I I'm curious to see how this whole thing pans out with Leo's next encyclical. I'm curious to see how they handle Catholic social media because I think part of the reason they brought Leo in as the American Pope was to get a bit of control over the american media. I think it was way out of hand for them. They, like their biggest obstacle was the american catholic media enterprise. That was trad media yeah, but it was.

Speaker 5 23:54

That was the way under jp22 and Ratzinger. It was just the other side of the American.

Speaker 4 24:00

Catholic media, but that's the point. So they want American media on their side. Look, you still had EWTN, national Catholic Register, national Catholic Reporter. You still had a very significant portion of catholic media. Who towed the line? They?

Speaker 2 24:21

had? Under which way?

Speaker 4 24:22

under francis. Okay, they had way less traffic than anybody on the other side.

Speaker 4 24:28

That was like more traffic oh yeah, for sure speaking out against this stuff for sure, because the majority of faithful american catholics were furious with Francis. So you had, you, had your, you know your. It's funny when we went to Italy, we were there with another American pilgrimage from Texas and they were just normie, nova Sordo, parish, going Catholics. They had no idea any of the stuff with France, like they didn't even pay attention to Rome at all, they were just very present in their parish and they didn't know any of the stuff that we knew. And when we went to the Padre Pio shrine and the Rupnik art was there, they were like, looking at the art, like it was like, oh, this isn't bad, you know. And then when we told them the backstory of it, they were like, oh my gosh, this is horrific. They were so unbelievably appalled once we started telling them the story behind the Rupnik art.

Speaker 4 25:20

So the thing is a lot of normies. Don't read any Catholic news. The only people that actually paid attention to the news were the people who were really upset with the direction Francis was going in. So now you have Leo comes in. He's the American pope, he's going to kind of get the Americanolic media to tame it down a bit and they are going to have official missionaries, official digital missionaries, that they will send out into the world to push their message yeah, all the people wearing t-shirts and jeans at mass in the vatican are going to be great missionaries.

Speaker 4 25:55

I I mean, a lot of people do consume that kind of stuff. New to the show, anthony, where should I go to Mass on Long Island? There's three places you could go St Michael's in Farmingville is an SSPX chapel. St Matthew's in Dix Hills the first and third Sunday has a Latin Mass and then St Rocco's in Glen Ce every Sunday has an 1130 Latin mass and then, if you're not far from the city, you could go to Holy Innocence in Manette. But yes, st Rocco's is the ideal, but for sure, if you're close to, close enough to St Rocco's, definitely.

Speaker 4 26:31

So yeah, it'll be interesting to see how Leo handles this next encyclical and, if it has, if it does address AI and, if so, if it also addresses media personalities and how they should handle things going forward, because I've already seen one or two things where they were talking about how like Catholic media should be to lift up and it shouldn't be to knock down and things like that. So I think we're disqualified right off the bat, because we started this show off picking on other people and I mean we're just having fun with it and gooping around. I don't know what to tell you guys. We're a little different than everybody else. That's just the way it goes, all right. So we can, we will, we will wait and see how Leo proceeds. We'll wait and see how the Vatican proceeds. I'm curious to see how it goes.

Speaker 5 27:22

It'll be interesting. Yeah, I think so At least it's going to be different than the last 12 years, even if, you know, I'm not saying it's necessarily going to be better, but it will be different.

Speaker 4 27:37

Yeah, for a time, at least For a time different. Yeah, for for a time, at least for a time right for a time at least, I'm. I'm still waiting for the unity thing to like. It just cannot continue, for everybody's claiming leo is their guy I don't know it was. These people think he's francis the second. These people think he's benedict xvii.

Speaker 5 27:58

Nobody thinks he's leo it's interesting it will be interesting to see what the first encyclical and stuff is like bobby will smite you.

Speaker 4 28:09

He's not allowed to go byzantine if he's on long island, it's not happening. Um, okay, so, uh, catholic e-girls psychopathy. We have to at least address it for a second. So I think I sent one of the tweets here um, yeah, the, the, oh, my gosh, look, okay, we have to actually preface this. Not safe for work if you have children around. There is going to be some pretty harsh things that these girls said to each other if you have children around.

Speaker 5 28:37

Not appropriate, I'm just going to tell you well, we, we're not gonna say it right, we're just gonna show it on screen.

Speaker 4 28:41

I'll abbreviate it or we'll just show it on screen. We will make sure. Well, I mean look, yes, if you have kids, we're not gonna say anything. We, we shouldn't. It's just, these girls were not very kind to sarah stop well, to be fair, they're not even all catholic, thank you mimi very much appreciated, it's not like necessarily catholic e-girl, it's right wing e-girl stuff, which is interesting. So, um, all right, just click on the tweet I I sent and I think we could follow it back let me zoom in.

Speaker 5 29:31

Oh wow, it really. I did not see all of it oh yeah, it gets pretty hairy.

Speaker 4 29:35

these girls were not very kind, so click on it and then scroll up a little to the picture. Show it on screen.

Speaker 5 29:45

I'm just getting it framed before I put it on screen.

Speaker 4 29:49

You've been terrible tonight, jamie. Okay, that's not framed very well. What kind of framing is that?

Speaker 5 29:59

so this was sarah stock. Right, sarah stock prefers. I mean, most of you people aren't going to know these women at all, so so sarah stock is a recent convert.

Speaker 4 30:09

Um, she's been on that jubilee show a few times. Uh, she was at the content creator conference um.

Speaker 5 30:16

She was on the charity stream for the Belthinians too.

Speaker 4 30:22

Yes, she was also at Lila Rose's thing out in California, the Women Leadership Conference, which you know. Whatever, we'll forgive her for that. So scroll up a little so we can see what her actual tweet was.

Speaker 5 30:36

Click the picture.

Inca Civilization Debate

Speaker 4 30:37

Rob, just click the picture, there you go. You click the picture. Rob. Just click the picture, there you go. You click the picture there. That's how this works. Do I gotta teach you how to use the internet? I'm boomer. Rob doesn't know. If you click the picture, the tweet will come up. So she tweeted. I won now scroll down on the picture so we can keep going. And so, emily, save America. Who is this awful woman? Awful, awful woman. She's. This conservative influencer makes a comment like that, the ring size with a skull after.

Speaker 5 31:13

It's called good or bad in Zuma language. What do you?

Speaker 4 31:17

mean. She's saying the ring is small, right, yeah, she's making fun of her for the ring size. So the guy, the guy that proposed her, she's making fun of her for the ring size. Like there's something about women in engagement rings. That is kind of appalling, that like something about women that is just kind of appalling.

Speaker 4 31:37

Well, that's what we're going through. We want to just go through how vicious women are to each other. Um like, there's nothing wrong with a, uh like, a classy small engagement ring, especially if that's the guy can afford, and she's looking for a good catholic man, and they're gonna make things work. And you know they don't want to dump their future on a ring. So so so Emily makes fun of her for the ring size. So now zoom out of the picture. And another scroll up. Now another influencer, morgan Ariel, another right winger, says you give it up for free. Ho, you might want to sit this one out To Emily, to Emily girl, but then, if you scroll down and look at what pearl said, we have to figure out how we're going to say this morgan, you are this one's not.

Speaker 5 32:24

It's the ones after this that we are very bad.

Speaker 4 32:27

Yeah, morgan, you are a single mother with a public video admitting you have uh hpv it's okay to say an acronym hpv. Yeah, you may want to sit this one out. Keep going down uh, do we?

Speaker 5 32:41

we really you think it's that?

Speaker 4 32:43

bad maybe. Maybe I can see it on my end and I'll see, yeah, we can't, yeah, don't show that actually. So they then go in and start getting on pearl for some of her past choices. Uh, it just gets so vicious all of this and it comes down to, I think, that women have a hard time just being happy for another woman. It's like the girl she did was saying I'm engaged, instead of everybody just saying, oh, congratulations I. I don't think that's what you're supposed to say to a woman. I think you're supposed to say, uh, good luck or something. I don't know whatever you're supposed to say. I don't think that's what you're supposed to say to a woman. I think you're supposed to say good luck or something. I don't know Whatever you're supposed to say.

Speaker 5 33:20

I don't know if. Good luck, congratulations. I would just say congratulations.

Speaker 4 33:24

Best wishes or something. Yeah, I don't know. I heard somebody said something about like you're not supposed to say congratulations to the guy. I don't know I need these stupid rules, but I found it interesting that these women could not just be happy for their fellow sister and just say congratulations. It's like there's an entity between all of them.

Speaker 5 33:43

It says our eyes have fried all their brains and they don't know how to be happy at all.

Speaker 4 33:47

in general, it is strange. Look, I will say Pearl's awful, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to, but she does have an interesting take that women and I'm not saying this is with Sarah there, but just she has this take where she thinks women view things husbands do for them as just ways to show off to other women is like status symbols, it's like it's like it's not actually about that. They're grateful for the gift. They just can't wait to show it off to other women, and I have noticed that to be a bit true. So maybe you ladies should keep an eye on that.

Speaker 5 34:28

No comment, rob my grandpa always said if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything you picked the wrong person to do a show with buddy.

Speaker 4 34:41

All right, like I, just I don't know all right, so here's what we're gonna do we are going to go there is no difference between a conservative woman quote-unquote and a liberal woman yeah, at this point, there's not.

Speaker 4 34:53

There's just not, yeah, they are. They are all feminists at this point. So it's like what are they? It's they conservative women nowadays, especially conservative influencer women. It's basically like oh, I like trump and that makes you a conservative, and it's like trump's a liberal, so I don't the only difference is whether or not they want to take testosterone to start becoming a guy.

Speaker 5 35:15

If they do, they're a liberal woman.

Speaker 4 35:16

If they don't, they're conservative woman it's really just about politics like it's. It's not about actual conservative values. It's just about who they vote for that makes them conservative and if right and if they and where they land on the trans issue, like that's what determines whether they're a liberal or conservative yeah, 100 yeah it's, it's like well, if you think, if you think men shouldn't compete in women's sports, then you're, you know that's. That's the argument. That's where we are at this point.

Speaker 5 35:44

I don't know we're not really including sarah in this, because she was the she, yes, her picture just instigated all the reaction.

Speaker 4 35:52

We're so, we're also giving her leeway because she just became catholic and she seems like she's becoming aware of a lot of things and she seems very open to understanding the problems at hand. So I'm not going to start bashing somebody who seems to be open to it. She's she doesn't come off as overly obnoxious and an attention seeker as that Like to me yet. So I mean I'm, you know, I'm not, I'm not whatever. I don't like any e-girls. I'm not ever having her on her show or anything. I'm just, I'm just saying she's, she's not awful yet. We'll give her some time yet.

Speaker 5 36:27

Um, yeah, she basically has a year, a year to get offline. If she gets offline in a year, he was a good one.

Speaker 4 36:35

Somebody said somebody said when they saw that they were just like somebody, somebody like all of them, their husbands need to just tell them to get off, get off the internet, because there's there's one girl, um, I forget who, what her name is. She is so freaking annoying and obnoxious and she's putting on this larp as if she's a trad wife and she throws the N word around all the time and stuff and it's like you are so freaking annoying to me. Like I can't stand the the the way these women comport themselves in public. Like I don't. I don't think it's wrong to have a Twitter account. Like I don't. Like I have plenty of normal decent interactions with women on Twitter.

Speaker 4 37:16

It's when they want to be these super big influencers and then they start telling everybody their opinions and all this stuff. That's when it kind of gets a little out of hand. What did molly say?

Speaker 5 37:28

I was just saying you were saying that it's okay for women to have a twitter account some of them are good and I was like, like molly right?

Speaker 4 37:35

no, there's plenty of women I interact with on twitter that are just there like I'll throw a comment here, comment there, but they're not trying to be these superstars online and trying to like like.

Speaker 5 37:47

The idea that a trad wife is going to be the breadwinner through her social media is absurd to me, you know the internet was a much better place when a woman had to decide whether she wanted to go online or use the phone yeah, because it was on the same line, right.

Speaker 4 38:04

So they usually pick, use the phone and didn't use the internet. Um, what do you? What do you think about? Because we've been talking about ai a lot do you think women are in trouble with the coming AI revolution, because it seems like most of the jobs that are going to be replaced are these silly jobs that women have done for the better part of 30, 40 years, like they're all office jobs and things like that.

Speaker 5 38:48

On one hand, it is strange that AI, which is going to be incredibly disruptive and destructive, could also be the thing that destroys a two-income household. Right, because you're right, a lot of the jobs that we'll destroy are ones that women are largely predominantly you know a part of, but, at the same time, it's not like most of those jobs honestly, like today, are even necessary. Right, it's almost like you see it online. People will say like most of these jobs were invented to basically you know it's paid care for women, so women don't go have kids.

Speaker 5 39:17

You know's like daycare care for women, so women don't go have kids. You know more or less. So I have no doubt that human ingenuity, human ingenuity will invent a whole new cadre of useless jobs yeah, for we'll see how it goes all right I want. Ai in general is dangerous. It almost got me killed this weekend, so we'll do. We're gonna do that on locals that's actually a really interesting story.

Speaker 4 39:37

We'll release that as a. This weekend we're going to do that on Locals. That's actually really interesting. We'll release that as a clip later on, but I want to do that on Locals. I do want to do the woman with the divorce thing or the woman with the dead husband thing. Okay, let's bring that clip up. Everybody that's still around. This is a very interesting clip. It raises a lot of moral questions and, uh, if you guys did not see this video yet, it is pretty interesting and we're going to get into discussing it.

Speaker 5 40:05

It's actually are we going to get a copyright?

Speaker 4 40:06

it's abc nightline.

Speaker 5 40:08

It's from 10 years ago, I don't know okay otherwise if there's something else we could do, and do this on locals um we can do.

Speaker 4 40:20

What about that other woman clip? We'll do the inca. The inca thing depends. What sort of words are you going to use? For them well, let's, let's, let's see what she says above that in the show notes, uncivilized, it says all right, if you, alright, if you guys want to see that other clip, you guys can come over to Locals.

Speaker 5 40:40

Maybe we'll release it later after Rob runs it, that one or the one for Matt Walsh, or is that the same?

Speaker 4 40:45

No, no, no, matt Walsh is the one, for Matt Walsh is part two, that's part two, so the one above that is part one okay, here we go no, you don't go to locals now, steve. We'll tell you when.

Speaker 5 40:58

We'll tell you when also so people know, we did stop releasing the full podcast on well, the full show on audio podcast. But for those of you who do just listen and don't watch the videos and you don't want to pay five dollars for locals, you can subscribe for three dollars a month to listen to the full audio. I was getting this grip, thought I love it.

Speaker 4 41:27

Yeah, we did it our first person subscribe.

Speaker 5 41:29

Oh, also the store.

Speaker 4 41:30

The store is back up oh, rob got the merch fixed yeah, we're.

Speaker 5 41:35

We have to rebuild every listing so there's only like three options available now for shirts. But we'll, we'll get that rebuilt you are able to get your.

Speaker 4 41:43

Have you accepted, mary, as your personal mother and intercessor? And you're religious, not spiritual we are also going to get a uh, I have been blocked by father james martin.

Speaker 5 41:53

Shirt coming we should also do a reason in theology, one too, and we should get.

Speaker 4 41:57

I've been blocked by reason in theology, for sure we gotta do something with law, then come on. He's definitely gonna be a money maker for us, um okay, we ready for this all right, let's go you were telling me.

Speaker 3 42:12

The spanish looked at this and said uncivilized. The inca built the moray terraces as an agricultural laboratory, because each separate circle created a different microclimate so they could figure out exactly what to grow at what elevation. The inca who cultivated 44 types of corn and 4 000 types of potatoes. The inca who built this stuff 600 years ago and it is still standing because it's all earthquake only 600 the Only 600 years ago.

Speaker 3 42:38

The Inca, who created salt flats that still, to this day, aren't privatized. They're all sharing it from the same hot spring in the mountain and everyone gets a share, not to mention Coricancha, machu Picchu, the fact that all of their cities were made intentionally in the shapes of animals that were important to them. This reminds me of exactly what happened in tenochtitlan. When cortez laid eyes on that city for the first time, he wrote in his diary that the temples were grander than anything he would have seen in sevilla. Yeah, you're telling me, the spanish saw this and they said nah, inferior.

Speaker 5 43:17

Yeah, then they tore it down with 100 guys. That's it. That's all it took.

Speaker 4 43:23

The okay. Civilized, the word civilized. You're talking about people who would murder innocent children and offer them as sacrifice. You're talking about people who sacrifice virgins. The Inca actually made earthen cakes of dung and roasted them in the sun.

Speaker 5 43:45

Read it in her voice the Inca who made earthen cakes of dung and roasted them in the sun.

Speaker 4 43:51

This is such a dumb way to look at things. A dumb way to look at things. Um, there were always grand civilizations, if you want to use that word, but like civilized the way you would think is plus, just I mean oh yeah, they made these buildings 600 years ago.

Speaker 5 44:16

Yeah, but the europeans sailed halfway around the world from build from their own buildings that they had made 1400 years before that she was, she's going to destroy these civilizations with 100 guys, like it doesn't compare oxford is older than this place like that's you have to understand.

Speaker 4 44:34

So she's talking, she's bringing about this happening. 600 years ago we had universities and we had hospitals oh, yay, they made.

Speaker 5 44:43

They had 4,000 types of potatoes.

Speaker 4 44:46

They still starve to death all the time and these temples that they built was with slave labor that they it's just the idea that what we brought to them was what we brought to them was salvation, because they could then actually be freed up to learn and live in a way that is like we live. I don't even want to say now like, because what was happening at at during the middle ages it was just this, this boom of seeing women have dignity and that there's just so much to to to go along with it, and it's you're just not sacrificing human beings.

Speaker 5 45:32

The civilization that God deigned to come into the world, into right, had aquifers or not aquifers, aqueducts that carried water hundreds of miles through mountains, like they dug through mountains to carry this water at the exact same angle, over the hundreds and hundreds of miles, so that it would create running fountains in the city of rome from the alps to rome at the same angle, through literal mountains done to almost 2 000 years before, before their stupid step pyramids.

Speaker 4 46:11

Yeah, it's not about okay, cool they. They figured out how to grow corn and they built some cool stuff. I, I mean you. You go back 5,000 years and you have cool stuff being built. It doesn't it doesn't mean they shouldn't have been evangelized and had the gospel brought to them, because the gospel is actually what civilizes man. So she could call it civilization, as you could say. They're civilized. But no, they actually weren't. They were hacking each other to death and they were roaming bands of I mean, go watch Apocalypto. That's what these people were dealing with.

Speaker 5 46:42

Yeah.

Speaker 4 46:43

Yeah, they had cool gardens guys.

Speaker 5 46:46

What's the point of having 4,000 types of potatoes if you don't know how to make French fries? Who made French fries? I'll give you a hint it wasn't the Incas.

Speaker 4 46:53

All right, so go down to Matt Walsh's tweet, because that's part two to this, and so she caught a bunch of flack for her post, so I think she tries to respond and then we can actually read what Matt Walsh said, because he did a better job than I will.

Speaker 3 47:14

I will die on this hill. I'm specifically talking about the Ingi here.

Speaker 4 47:18

You will die on that hill and they will sacrifice you for it Like come on the irony of saying that the irony of saying that because I will die on this hill is actually probably.

Speaker 5 47:28

That hill, that one right there. Yeah that they sacrifice people on.

Speaker 4 47:31

You're going to die on that one, machu Picchu.

Speaker 5 47:41

That's where you're gonna die on it.

Speaker 4 47:42

They'll give your body to the 4 000 types of potatoes.

Speaker 5 47:43

You won't be the only one who died there many people died on that hill, honey, don't worry, 40 000 in one day. Who knew about?

Speaker 3 47:50

the mashika. That's a whole separate type of sacrifice if we're just looking at to want and sue you, the quechua people, the incan empire she's just making up words.

Speaker 5 47:58

She's got to be just making up words.

Christianity's Civilizing Influence

Speaker 3 48:01

They practiced sacrifices, like most other civilizations throughout history did, in times of crisis, so famine, natural disasters. But the unique thing about the Quechua is that when you're looking at like the Incan civilization, you essentially have the elites and then you have everyone else. You essentially have the elites and then you have everyone else. Sacrifices were volunteers from the elite class, because they believe that the elites were closer to the gods and could therefore appease them better. Also, in terms of sacrifice, they were kind about it. Hear me out, because, unlike the Mashika, when you're like ripping out a still beating heart out of someone's chest, the Inca would intentionally use coca leaves and would use chicha and would get a real high sacrifice and then leave them on a mountain, a cold, chilly mountain, to be exposed to the elements which, if you're a volunteer, sacrifice.

Speaker 5 48:56

I say we heavily drug this woman and leave her out in the cold for a night.

Speaker 4 48:59

No, no, no but think about what she says. This civilization, like all civilizations, offered sacrifice. These people don't understand the greatness of the gospel spreading throughout the world. Yes, every civilization had these awful sacrifices, where they sacrificed human beings, where they murdered innocent people, where virgins holy virgins were saved and they would sacrifice these virgins, who were pure, which is funny, because even the ancient pagans understood that there was something pure about virgins that Protestants don't understand.

Speaker 5 49:31

I just think it's funny. On the first clip she's trying to tell us how wonderful the civilization was, because they were all kind of communists and had salt flats and they all were equal. But in this one she's like oh, but the elites who were, who were actually closer to God, they make up your flip in mind.

Speaker 4 49:45

Are they good, are they?

Speaker 5 49:49

good, because they aren't commies.

Speaker 4 49:50

It's just. It's just this whole, this whole. What do they call it? The colonization right. Imagine sacrificing. Well, you know what.

Speaker 5 50:02

She's actually got a good idea.

Speaker 4 50:03

Might be on to something. Maybe the elites do need to be sacrificed right now.

Speaker 5 50:08

Biden's already high off his mind. Let's give Trump some coke and go leave him on a mountain somewhere.

Speaker 4 50:13

So Matt Wall says. History teacher on TikTok says that the Incan child sacrifices were kind and voluntary. Children were merely left to freeze to death, which isn't so bad when you think about it. She blames white people for having a judgmental view of human sacrifice. No, it's what it really is. Needless to say, the claim that eight year old kids volunteered to die of starvation and hypothermia is insane. These are the kinds of moral monsters that teach your children and public schools. But matt's even missing something, because this is the glory of the gospel spreading throughout the world. Right you, when you get into these ancient cultures, every one of them did have human sacrifice, every one of them. If there were children who were born with any kind of deformity, especially the Greeks, the Greeks would just leave any child out to die in the elements.

Speaker 5 51:05

Now you have Iceland, who has got alternative Down syndrome by aborting every fetus that has positive.

Speaker 4 51:12

Yeah, that's their idea of curing Down syndrome. You just go back to the way the pagans lived down syndrome. You just go back to the way the pagans lived. Now, the thing that spurred on so much evangelism in the early church was that the early Christians would pick these children up off the side of the road when they were left to die. And the idea of an orphanage is a Christian idea. The Christians would take these children who were going to be thrown away and they would raise these children with love and they would be cared for. And this is what Jesus meant by. He said they will know you by your love.

Speaker 4 51:52

And when people saw how they cared for the downtrodden and the throwaways of the world, it's actually what moved people's hearts to actually want to believe in the gospel. So much so that when Julian the apostate tries to reinvigorate the pagan rituals, he makes some of the pagan gods, like the priests of the pagan cults, start to care for the poor, because that's what's attracting so many people to christianity. And he tries to make it sound like that these cults always did that when they never did. It was just something he saw that was so attractive to people that he started telling these priests no, no, you have to start caring for the poor and doing things like this and try to mimic some of the good parts of christianity, which is also what you see in modern movements like blm and things like that, where they try to make it seem like they are caring for the people who are in need, or even the lgbt movement. It's a mockery of christianity. They mimic it in trying to like emulate compassion when it's a false compassion. Yeah, a hundred percent. So, um, this is what happens when the gospel spreads throughout the world.

Speaker 4 53:04

Is you get rid of these ancient cults where the human sacrifices performed in these evil things are done? And not just that the like marriage. We have a tendency to say things like marriage predates religion. And you know, marriage is something that transcends cultures and it's ubiquitous throughout humanity. But it's not really. Yes, it is where a man would claim a woman for himself, but for the most part of human history, it was polygamy, it was one man would have multiple wives and things like that. It was Christianity that started putting these demands on men, saying, no, you can only have one wife and you can't divorce her. You can't just get rid of her when you're done with her. And this is actually what elevates the dignity of women and puts it where, and that has to do with us seeing Our Lady as the crown of God's creation.

Speaker 5 54:01

So if Our Lady has that much dignity, that elevates the dignity of all women. Yeah, people don't understand that a well-ordered patriarchy actually exists in order to protect women. Because in societies that are matriarchies and are matrilineal to, where you trace descent descent through your mother's line, and this includes, um, this includes judaism right, they, you are a jew if your mother is a jew. Yes, the reason those societies trace descent through their mother lot, their mother's line, is because, more or less, rape was so common that you never knew who your father was. You only knew who your mother was, so you could only trace your descent through your mother. So we see a lot of Native American tribes that are matrilineal and they're celebrated as being these great, you know, enlightened matriarchies. No, no, no, the men were raping all the women they wanted, and you only knew who your mother was. You never knew who your father was. Yeah, and, and, and. That's like that's what a patriarchy is for to. To protect the women, to protect society, protect children, all under strong men.

Speaker 4 55:14

You're starting to see that, as as patriarchy disappears, how women are no longer respected and they are being degraded and they're doing things that you would you would have found horrific 50, 60 years ago, but now this is like totally normal and it's often at the hands of other women too.

Speaker 5 55:31

Yeah, right, which we remember. We just saw that with the whole sarah stock pearl thing yeah, yeah, it's pretty interesting.

Speaker 4 55:39

So, all right, now I want to do two things over on the other side. I want to do the Dave Ramsey clip because it's pretty insane, and then I want to do the woman with her husband. So we're going to go over to locals. I'm going to do those two segments because I don't want to get hit with copyrights on either one of those videos. So if you guys are not Locals members, that's where we actually get to say things a little more freely. We get to have more fun over there. Locals is definitely the place to be. If you guys are not members, please join us over there.

Speaker 5 56:08

You'll get to hear all I was swatted this weekend.

Speaker 4 56:11

Yeah, all that too. So those are the three things we're covering over there. I got this dave ramsey clip is so insane to me. This woman, 34 years old, marries a 51 year old millionaire. He makes her sign a prenup and when you hear the marriage advice dave ramsey gives and it all comes down to money, and I'm just sitting there listening like what? Like why would this guy offer this advice to her? This is so insane. He has no idea he's hearing this woman for 30 seconds and just believes her story.

Speaker 5 56:39

It just sounds preposterous and this is all coming down to you.

Speaker 4 56:44

Just don't, you don't believe I don't believe a word out of this woman's mouth I don't believe her.

Speaker 5 56:49

I think she's a liar and I don't believe all you've heard is the exact same 30 seconds as him.

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Speaker 4 56:55

He's just I just know, I know that this woman's lying, like I just know she's. She's framing it the way she wants to frame it to make herself sound like she's this poor, innocent victim. And dave ramsey's like you. You, this is, this is no, no, you have to do this. Wait till you hear his advice. It's insane, okay, I wonder, is dave ramsey on his first marriage too like? I don't think anybody that's that too. I don't think anybody that their first marriage didn't work out should be giving marriage advice to anybody. That's just how I feel we're going to go over to the other side. If you guys are not over there, you're missing out.