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Avoiding Babylon
Lila Rose Angers EVERYONE (Full LOCALS Version)
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Access to the FULL show on audio!The cultural battlefield within Catholic social media has reached a tipping point, and we're pulling no punches in this raw, honest exploration of where lines need to be drawn. When Lila Rose's podcast clip went viral for all the wrong reasons, it exposed a deeper problem plaguing online Catholic spaces: the rise of "e-girls" who use their attractiveness to build platforms while simultaneously lecturing men about modesty and pornography.
We dive fearlessly into why certain conversations simply don't belong in the public sphere. There's something fundamentally disordered about married women publicly discussing intimate details of their marriages or sexualizing clergy. This isn't about silencing women—it's about recognizing that true virtue requires discretion and understanding appropriate contexts. When women enter spaces traditionally reserved for men to lecture them on struggles they fundamentally cannot understand, they create confusion rather than clarity.
Beyond social media dynamics, we explore how modern parenting fails young women by prioritizing expensive degrees over preparation for family life. The cultural pressure to send daughters to college—often resulting in crushing debt they'll carry into marriage—stems more from parents' desire for social media bragging rights than concern for their children's futures. We offer a counterculture vision: practical education that prepares women for potential vocations as wives and mothers without the financial burden.
At its heart, this episode calls for a restoration of authentic masculinity within Catholic spaces. Men must reclaim their role as spiritual leaders in their homes and communities, and stop fearing women's disapproval when speaking necessary truths. The weight of spiritual leadership is tremendous—a husband will answer to God for his wife's salvation—but it's a responsibility that cannot be abdicated.
Ready for a conversation that doesn't pull punches? Join us as we advocate for a faith that's both deeply traditional and boldly countercultural in a world that desperately needs both.
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SANTE MISERICANDE AMARE MORTINE CRADAS NOS IN TE SPELA VERDOS. All right, so listen. Rob's not here, so I'm going to play the taffy intro that was supposed to play. So this is what should have played if we had Rob here.
Speaker 2:Did you hear it? Marriage, sex and intimacy. In this episode we get real and unfiltered. What I mean by that is I think it's great to talk about how great sex is. Okay, now, this is like where it gets this work. It's like a hot topic issue. Let's do it. Can we all talk about Father Mike Schmitz and how handsome he is? I showed him to a girlfriend who's not Catholic and she's like wins mass. Father Mike Schmitz has not been named dropped yet in that way in this show, but I'm glad it's happened All right.
Speaker 1:That is a grave and and please stop, Taffy is sick.
Speaker 4:Somebody pay that man.
Speaker 1:I started a tip jar but nobody's chipping in. But if you guys are fans of Taffy's intros, I have a tip jar at the top of my Twitter. Anything that goes in there will go to him. I think somebody gave $1 so far. I was trying to hope it builds up a tiny bit so I can hand him something. But yeah, man Lila managed to set the internet on fire yesterday, huh.
Speaker 4:Yeah, as soon as I saw that post, I said this is going to go viral for all the wrong reasons. I was just like I couldn't comprehend. You know, when you're sexualizing the clergy, I mean there's being a gooner and there's being a turbo gooner and that is anytime somebody talks about the clergy like that, I'm just. I'm sitting there, I said who? Who allowed this to be first of all recorded and then posted and edited in that specific sequence is just imprudent. Let's just put it in a charitable way it's imprudent.
Speaker 1:It was strange because they're talking about how, like sexualization and how men are not animals, and then they act like animals in the beginning and it's like I don't know man. It's just the whole. We're going to play the actual clip that she put together, but it's one thing that she did with Father Mike at the beginning. But there's just something so immodest about women publicly sharing details of their intimate lives with their husbands. Like I just find it I don't know if I like that Like there's something so off putting to me about just women. Look, I think that there's probably a place where girls can talk about this stuff. It's just girls. But Lila puts that out on her Twitter and it blows up. There's like eight million views on it and you have these two women just talking about their intimate lives with their husband.
Speaker 4:It was just so awful in my opinion it's already a problem that women are in this kind of public facing position and not fully taking care of their families. There are very few women, very few men too, but especially few women that should be talking about these things, and the women that should be are often taking care of their well-ordered families. I was talking about this with my wife the other day. I said there really only should be, you know, nuns and sisters and you know women that have taken that kind of vocation speaking publicly on such topics, because they could probably do so with much more prudence and virtue. Versus it just kind of sounding like girls getting a cocktail and talking all kinds of retardation about a priest publicly on that kind of a platform. You just start and you just start to imagine, like, what are their home lives really like if their husbands are permitting this type of like discourse in a public fashion? It's just scandalous dude it it.
Speaker 1:It takes another turn when your wife is the sole breadwinner, like in Lila's situation, right, like Lila's, making half a million dollars a year running live action. So now, a year running live action. So now, even if her husband has something to say, because I'll even tell you this like, coming into tonight's show, my wife saw the thumbnail. She's like why are you? She's like, why are you gonna be talking about something? I'm like be quiet, like don't watch my show. Like you know, like I don't understand why you even like this is just something I have to do, you know. And there's something really disordered in when the woman is the one so Lila, as as much blowback as she got, it's actually beneficial to her to get that kind of blowback and it opens their husbands up to ridicule publicly. And I just don't understand a woman that would want to open her husband up to that kind of ridicule publicly and I just don't understand a woman that would want to open her husband up to that kind of ridicule.
Speaker 4:Well, I mean, it kind of just in a public way goes to show that these men are in a way kind of purse holders like you're allowing yourself to be spoken about in such a way. I don't know their situation if she's the primary breadwinner, but if that's the case, I mean that's already sort of dysphoric and disordered in and of itself. And then on top of that you compound this with being a public personality and then not just sexualizing the clergy in the case of father mike, but also talking about sex, like just women just should not be talking about this in a public like I would just be so mortified if my wife was doing and then doubling down and then doubling down on it too, and it's like listen, you missed the point of like the pushback that you got completely.
Speaker 4:Like nobody's talking about sex being a good thing. It's like you don't need it, okay, well, imagine a man, imagine you and I were sitting here. You're like yeah, we don't. You don't need to listen to your wife. Like wives, you don't need to be listened to. Like we don't need to like cater to your emotions, we don't need to help you. We don't need to take you out on dates. You don't need a date, you know, retarded.
Speaker 1:That would sound like no guy would even permit saying that either it's, it's a, it's interesting because they're they're bragging about how they make their husbands not like I don't know, it's just, it's just, it's just look. This is why I always had an issue with people discussing even the um, the theology of the body stuff too publicly, because I think in some ways this christopher west kind of popularized talking about these kinds of topics and I do think there's probably some good that came from theology, the body and stuff. But the idea that it's like cool for women to talk about orgasms and things like that, it's just such a weird, a weird thing that has happened since that whole and I was trying to figure out what catholic inc is and I used to think catholic inc was kind of just like anybody related to catholic answers and steubenville and anybody adjacent. But I don't think that's actually what it is. And we did a show last time we talked about this when they put that picture up of everybody and we called it like the longhouse.
Speaker 1:And I'm like like how do you define the longhouse, the Catholic longhouse? And it's. I I'm pretty sure it's. People who see a clip like that in the creator space know there's something off with it but will not call it out or say something because they want to go on lila's podcast or they don't want to have somebody in that arena be upset with them because they criticize this. And I think it goes down to even having a priest at a parish who wants to put an altar rail in for people to kneel for communion, but they won't do something like that because the Susan in the parish rectory or the you know they'll get upset by it. So the priest doesn't actually do what needs to be done because he's afraid to cause waves with the women.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's odd because it's you know these people in a way, whether they're deliberate about it or not.
Speaker 4:It's kind of gatekeeping the popular shows, the, you know where the majority of the traffic goes, and I think that's a large part as to why most of the Catholic content you see is just apologetic slop. Yeah, you know, and this is why I appreciate about you know what you guys are doing. I'm obviously biased when I'm on the show, but I was listening this far before I came on this the first time, and this is why I also just don't care how big my YouTube channel or my following grows, because there is a huge segment of the Catholic acquiring population, or the Catholic population in general, that is largely ignored, and that's like these, these like younger men that like nobody's speaking to, they're either being told and long housed in, like you know, atoned police by these catty women that should just be taking care of their families, or they're just being spoken over by these like apologists that you know go to chat gbt and like schedule out their, their ex tweets, bro, it's just brutal.
Speaker 1:How awful is that right, like these guys just scheduling their tweets asking chat gbt, what can I, what can? And first off, I I thought kind of feel guilty because I think I did start some of that because I kept seeing all the protestants doing it and like trolling us with mary stuff. So I just started leaning into it and I see a lot of people doing that now. So I do feel a little bit bad about starting that, but it is. It is pretty awful. The, the, the.
Speaker 1:The challenge is always like what do you do to not be like everybody else? Because the, the apologetic slop really is everywhere and you see the same. How many times can you debunk sola scriptura? How many times? Like they're? They're just the same arguments rehashed over and over.
Speaker 1:Like rob and I have struggled with this too. It's like what is our identity now? Like we don't. We really don't want to discuss rome at all. I, I, you know, since since leo came in, I don't want to discuss Rome at all. Since Leo came in, I don't want to be the critic of the hierarchy at all. Let that play out the way it's going to play out. So what we've been doing is just kind of picking whatever is happening in the culture and trying to talk about that from a Catholic perspective. But every once in a while, something like this pops up and it looks like you're being uncharitable by talking about this. But how do you not discuss something like this when these are catholic creators and and they're just in like it was just so off-putting to me? I don't know, I have I have a. I'm very worried about the next generation and younger men from what women are putting out on the internet and how I see men reacting to it in this revulsion they have as soon as they see the things they're putting out.
Speaker 4:Yeah, well, I think the identity thing on social media is a bit of like an evolution as you kind of grow and face. I mean it's really smart, it's a prudent thing not to talk about the hierarchy anymore, just for, like, you know your own soul and for the souls of other people that are watching and you know you don't want to sow that kind of like division, kind of keeping your opinions to a degree more or less like to yourself, vocalizing them here and there. That's, that's fine. I love what the show has turned into because I think when discussing this type of thing, you kind of lend a voice to like the indignant, male rage that a lot of these guys are experiencing and seeing and that, like is nobody. Am I insane? Like they feel like they're in a room and like am I the only one that feels this way? Am I insane for having this like reaction of complete, like revulsion, being repulsed by this? It's like no, okay, these other dudes that I respect actually feel this way as well, and so it's so necessary and I think that's, you know, the Catholic content creator space.
Speaker 4:A lot of these people, first of all, are called to because they want to be influencers, and the easiest way that they can do it is going about it in this sort of like sloppy, apologetic, clickbaity type of way. They don't actually have an identity. They don't want to ruffle feathers because they want to get in with all the the peeps, that catholic and whomever those people may be, because otherwise they don't really have a message. Otherwise, who's going to listen to them? What are they going to communicate? This of any value? And so that's why I think you know, uh, whatever you want to call your channel, it's not a ministry, it's not an apostle either, is mine?
Speaker 4:I'm just a dude that like rambles on a webcam about you know, masculinity, but it's necessary because you're kind of, you're off the beaten path and I'm telling you, man, like the reach and the impact that guys like you, rob, you know to a degree myself, you know, not trying to sound like prideful or arrogant is is pretty big. These young dudes, man, they really look to us for some at least, our opinions or guidance, cause we're like the, we're the unks, bro, we're the older brothers. So, like nobody's talking about this, it's like, are these women just going to get free reign to just like, just pop off with the lips, you know, but you still see the simps in their comments defending it, and it's just like I don't.
Speaker 1:I don't, man, how did it get to this place where women can basically say anything for attention and just want and and men would defend it, and like I. I have this because I keep seeing and I even saw keith and um and matt talk about this when keith was on matt's show and there's there's this element of um, any kind of criticism of another catholic is uncharitable and like I didn't want to come on here and start trashing liila, it wasn't even about that. It's more like an assessment of what is happening in our culture with e-girls in general right, because especially e-girls on the right not one of them. Have you ever seen an unattractive e-girl on the right? No, not one right Like none of them are unattractive.
Speaker 1:So every single one of them are using their looks to attract these simps, to get their fan base, and they purposely. I mean the whole thing with the mass fits. And then even you have like isabella moody, who's dropping the n-word to sound outrageous, and I'm just like, have any of these women actually offered any, anything valuable to the conversation? That that, that that they're not just like picking over me Like there are a couple of women who I respect in this field, but they're not e-girls. You know, like you get into somebody like Jennifer Roback Morris, who worked with the Ruth Institute to figure out marriage, things like that, catherine Bennett from Catholic, unscripted but they're not e-girls. Like this new crop of e-girls using their beauty to try and suck men in and then posting mass fits to basically like, lure men into their attractiveness and then they'll lecture them about pornography and it's so beyond boggling, toling to like mind boggling to me.
Speaker 4:I don't know how, like how, we go forward with this, or or lecturing them on on masculinity, and guys just eat it up because it's it's kind of an offshoot of the pornographic culture in a way. Right, and it's, it's, it's narcissism veiled as virtue, because these women are like well, they're Catholic. It's, it's, um, it's narcissism veiled as virtue because these women are like well, they're catholics. So like I'm going to respect her, I'm really going to listen to her, um, but really it's, it's really just a kind of a slightly more virtuous version of of the only fans, uh, plague, it's no different it really is.
Speaker 1:It's the same and, and especially when you see the girls who left the only fans world and then come into this world and they're doing the same attention seeking it's. It's just with their clothes on. Now, right, and I don't know I'm, I'm wondering what, like how do we win this back? Like Jeff just said it, let me just say he said men, men have largely seeded the public arena to women and it's going to take a concerted effort to win it back. Now, how do you go about that without seeming like a total chauvinist and you're just like shut up women, but like shut up women, I don't know how to handle it.
Speaker 4:I think you said it. I think there are times where the proverbial heavy hand has to be brought in, and it's when things get so far oftentimes the pendulum really has to be brought in, and it's when things get so far, oftentimes the pendulum really has to swing really drastically in the opposite direction. I'm not saying like becoming misogynistic or you know, uh, you know being vicious or malicious in such a way, but I think it's going to take some like serious, consistent correction and like also encouraging us to just stop listening to them, because there's really not much of value that are coming from these, these female platforms. Like almost almost nothing is coming a value that is coming from there, especially not for men. Like if these dudes just stop gooning in real talk, not even trying to be funny, because like that's all it is, they're just, they're just sort of uh, enamored by the beauty of these women and they're talking about things that are kind of quasi virtuous. Stop listening to women. Men like what do you? What do you get from?
Speaker 1:it. Like youtube is 80 percent male right. So these, these platforms, these women wouldn't have platforms if it wasn't for men watching, but it's. It's an interesting thing because I do think like there probably needs to be, because my wife will, my wife will be like working around the house and she just wants to put something Catholic on that she could listen to, and she may not want to listen to some macho masculinity podcast. You know what I mean. So like I know that there has to be a space for women to hear other women and stuff, but I just think the direction that some of them are going is just, you see, the thirst trapping, like they're trying to get men to come into this space and they're using their looks to do it and then they're in there lecturing men about the like. I don't do you think there's any scenario where a married woman should be talking about men's use of pornography? I I I cannot fathom where that is acceptable it's not acceptable.
Speaker 4:It's very scandalous, even to the men that are trying to, you know, trying to improve themselves, because there's just a fundamental disconnect. It's like when a man or woman is trying to tell a man how to be a man. It's like, listen, we don't. Like I don't know if I, you don't know this, but we don't have the same parts. So you don't relate to the struggle, you don't relate to manhood, you don't relate to you know what a man experiences because of testosterone, because of the fact that we have, the fact that we even have to say this is is retarded. That's how much is the shift in the wrong direction. It's like now you're talking about you're literally talking about men masturbating to pornography and this doesn't occur to you, that this is a bad thing even for you and your soul. Like, why are you even talking about this?
Speaker 1:and you're a married woman and you're talking about this and wild and they have absolutely no understanding of the like what a man struggles with in that whatsoever. It's not to say like there might be women who struggle with that, but it's nothing like what men are are going through. It's just a place where they have no business talking and they insert themselves into the conversation because of this urge to be men and it's I don't know. Man, I'm really having a hard time. I'm having a hard time handling it in a way where you don't come off like a total a-hole when you talk about it, but I I don't know how else to do it, because really it's their husbands that should be telling them hey, you need to draw a line here and don't do this anymore. Like I'm not comfortable with you doing it. But if the husbands are just like, well, I need the money she's bringing in from social media influencing and not actually criticizing it, because, look, okay, so brian holds where. I actually want to find brian's tweet, because brian defended lila and I and I like brian, we both like, really like brian. So this isn't I want.
Speaker 1:I want to kind of use what he, what he said to um to try to see his perspective on this. But he said uh, am I the only one who thinks Lila Rose was speaking to a pornified culture that thinks promiscuity is necessary? Uh, when she said men don't need sex, I didn't hear anything about married men surrendering the conjugal rights, which is what everyone seems to be accusing her of. So that's that's. That's what I think people are misunderstanding, even she misunderstood in her reply to this. I'm not saying in substance what she was saying was wrong. Like, yes, men don't technically need sex.
Speaker 1:And the thing is, the celibate priesthood is actually the symbol needed, especially in our times, to show people that sex is not the thing you need to be happy, right? So everybody thinks like sex is the thing that's going to make you happy. Well, celibate priesthood is actually a sign that our eternal reward is not going to come down to sex. It's going to be something much higher. Like they are the true romantics, the celibate priest if they are living a chaste celibate life. But a married woman talking about NFP and her husband her husband turning her on because he has self-condemnation like it's just not an appropriate conversation. That's what the real issue is here. It's not about the substance of what she was saying about the priesthood and men needing. It's just married. Women should not be speaking publicly about this topic.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and I nothing about what Brian said was necessarily wrong, I just think it was the, the. The point was kind of missed, the outrage. He kind of maybe missed the point in terms of, like, the outrage, because there was a mixed reaction, like a lot of people were reacting to the fact that you know, obviously they were talking about Father Mike Schmitz, which Brian obviously agreed with us. It's dumb and it's retarded, it's degenerate. But the overarching point was, exactly, I agree with you, it's like why are women talking about this type of thing when they're married? Like a woman going on there, no-transcript turns you on. It's like man, like you forget there are cameras, there's cameras on, and then on top of that too, right, the audience of men that watch that eat that stuff up. Right, a lot of these guys.
Speaker 4:We live in a fatherless generation. We already know that feminism, etc. Gynocentrism. There's also all these men that have mommy issues. So when they they hear a woman start to talk about this, uh, it almost kind of um recreates that mommy issue. So it just takes off because these women are attractive, they're talking about things that guys want they eat up, and many of these men cannot stand correction. They buckle. Yeah, this is what I do with guys. I I talk to guys one-on-one all the time. I have a men's group, some of these guys. You give them the slightest bit of pushback and they're just as feminine as a feminine can be and they just, they crumble under it well, they're in the longhouse, like they're afraid of women.
Speaker 1:They're afraid of especially some. Look, you go to a. You go to a latin mass and there's a lot of guys that are seeking to be more virtuous and seeking to be, to live a more trad lifestyle. But I see a lot of guys being henpecked at the latin mass too. This isn't a novus ordo latin mass thing. This is a universal cultural issue we're dealing with right now. I want I want to jump to a couple of super chats, because people are super chatting and I don't want to let them I don't want to anybody think I'm blowing them off. Um, just finished the newest shoe on head video. Now the live stream bashing lila rose. A good night down with the rose, up with the shoe. Um, let's see. Uh, uh, big shout out to the channel fruit of the femme. I don't know that channel. Um, uh, talking masculinity.
Speaker 1:The Knights of Columbus just isn't discussed anywhere by anyone online. They really are just a defunct group of boomers who kowtow to church ladies these days. That was my issue with the Knights of Columbus. I tried to join years back and they were all guys over 70. And I was the only like I was in my early thirties at the time and I was just like I don't fit here. This isn't. You know, I'm not going to potluck dinners and things like that, uh.
Speaker 1:And then bobby said uh, the red pill craps on marriage unless it's to a hot and super holy trad girl. The e-girls sell them that image. It's a recipe for simps. Yeah, not wrong. Yeah, it's um. Wait, let me just go live. Um, yeah, it's I. I just, you know, I don't, I don't even want to make this entire episode, just crapping on on this whole issue, but it's, it's getting hard for it's. It's getting hard to watch this continue and to see how just discouraged young men are getting because they're getting this image that even the Catholic women are just feminists. There's no hope for them, and sometimes I feel like I managed to scoop up the one feminine girl left who just doesn't give me a hard time. I don't, I don't know what these young guys are going to do, but when the catholic women being presented before them are acting like this, they're just going to be so discouraged and they're going to fall for the red pill stuff they are.
Speaker 4:This is why there's such a need to talk about the red pill stuff under the the, through the lens of the church, because a lot of these natural law observations that these guys make, the prescriptions, I mean it's, it's actualized within the church. I mean it's. It's the perfect illumination of the natural law within the Catholic faith. So why is there not a place for us to talk about these things? And so when you get this sort of Catholic ink, let's talk about how guys should date. It's retarded and it's gay and it doesn't actually work, I think. And also, too, a lot of these men too. I mean, there's obviously a big problem with these women being feminists, but there's also just a lack of masculinity too. This is not about what? About the men thing.
Speaker 4:This is a lot of guys that are expecting these women to be feminine, but they're not actual leaders themselves too, right, so the difference is and I'm not putting us on a pedestal necessarily, but it's like we're not afraid to tell a woman no, we have boundaries like it's kind of maybe if it was natural, or maybe this part of it is nature or nurture, whatever.
Speaker 4:A lot of these guys don't know, and I don't fault them for it. They didn't have dads or whatnot. So I think there's got to be guys that fill that gap and teach these young dudes like hey, this is actually how you talk to a woman and not be a spurg. You know, this is wow. You know, present yourself physically in a way where you're healthy, don't have to be a freaking bodybuilder or whatever like that's not what I'm saying. Represent yourself in a way that you know you're showing that you've got some virtue, you've got some boundaries, you can speak, you're outspoken, you can make her laugh. That's why that clip that uh majorian posted after our stream yesterday was uh me saying that, hey, if a guy could just fill up his t-shirt a little bit more and make a woman laugh, most of these guys would be married and it's like it's true man.
Speaker 1:I think I think the key to a woman's heart is making her laugh. I think if you could get a girl to laugh, you're in, and if you're not a fat, disgusting slob, you're gonna do all right. Um, yeah, you also tweeted today just about um. You were like I, because so much of that conversation wasn't just uh, what was even in that clip? Well, I don't know, should we even play the clip?
Speaker 4:I mean, people probably know by now. But yeah, it's probably worth playing.
Speaker 1:It's not that long? Yeah, because I think we tend to have this idea that everybody is on Twitter all day like us, and they're just not it's true. All right, hang on, let's see if I can share my screen here. All right, so this is the clip. Let me pull it up.
Speaker 2:Can we all talk about father Mike Schmitz? I showed him to a girlfriend who's not Catholic. She's like when's mass? What about the man needing sex? That's just a cultural narrative that basically says men are like animals and they have to be able to do this sexual thing, Otherwise they're going to go crazy.
Speaker 1:And the reality is there's a whole vocations that are celibate and these are virile, yes, but married men, that is not the vocation for everyone and that is a very much a higher calling, right. This is not, you know. And no, men don't need sex, no, I guess. But St Paul also says you should marry so that you're not burning with lust. They're framing it and I know she's getting into talking about the celibate priesthood, but that is a special vocation and that is not every man's calling and she's setting it up like you're an animal if you have desires as a man, and I don't think that's even right.
Speaker 4:Well, that, and then the whole NFP conversation, I mean, not to mention. I mean it's. You can't talk about the priesthood and relate, you know, a member of the clergy to a member of the laity, in the sense that there are obviously, just like you said, it's a special calling of vocation, there are graces that come with the office. So, like these are two different offices, the office of father, the office of father in terms of, you know, being a priest, are two completely different things, and so to compare them to be the same is just goes to show you that a woman really does not know the struggle of the common man, that's not a priest and this is just a tone deaf conversation.
Speaker 1:Let's see where does it go for?
Speaker 2:me Men, men's men. Some of the most masculine men I know are priests. We need food, we need air to breathe. We don't need sex. It's a gift of coming together and it's designed to bring life to the world. I think the sexiest thing about a guy is like their self-control and my husband has like this is so wrong to say this.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:Amazing self-control.
Speaker 1:So after baby number four, she's basically telling everybody Like why are you saying your poor husband? Why are you doing this to your poor husband? I don't get it. It's so awful.
Speaker 2:Or when we started practicing NFP, it was like we couldn't do it sometimes when we wanted to and that kind of made things a little steamier, like not going to lie. It's hard on him too, don't get me wrong. People will say, well, oh, do you just do other things for your husband, like are you insane to say something like that publicly?
Speaker 1:come on man, I'm not, I'm not, I stop gooning that's all I gotta say.
Speaker 1:Stop gooning gross conversation. Come on, man, like what are you girls doing? Have some like, have some like modicum of decency to not just blurt any freaking thing out that comes to your look. I understand that we're we're on podcasts and you're trying to fill air time and you're like you know we don't want to. I get that, but, man, I I don't get anybody, because there was a while back, uh, um, my friend kyle had this couple on who had, like they were huge on theology of the body and they had like a Catholic sex toy shop and I was like he caught so much blowback at his parish he had to delete the episode and all this stuff.
Speaker 1:And this is kind of what I'm talking about and it's like there's so many people who go who think it's totally normal to talk about this stuff and even the like the NFP conversation that that keeps coming up, like there's a degree to which, when I see people having it like she was just saying, you know, like making my husband wait this and that First off, it's a very contraceptive mindset to have, right, like they're basically using NFP as contraception. But anytime you even talk about this stuff, you're letting an inkling into your personal life with your spouse. So I've seen people arguing and using theology of the body to say that you know there are things that are allowed as long as, as long as the finishing act is pro-life right, or you know it's like, and it's like whatever. I would never have that conversation on air, cause I'm never letting anybody have a clue what I am, what my wife and I do privately Like. That's just not a conversation I would ever have with anybody, regardless of which side of the argument I fell on yeah, the theology.
Speaker 4:But this is where I start to question all these things in a way where I'm genuinely inquisitive, so like when I went on x and I was like, okay, can somebody explain, like I'm five, what nfp is, because I don't understand how you would go about it without it being, uh, a contraceptive mindset. Obviously, in the case, in the case of a woman you know, potentially dying if she were to have another kid, I mean, these are extreme circumstances. But then also the theology of the body stuff, where it's like, okay, well, I've heard where you could go and you know, for the sake of it, not the, the episode not being struck down you could go and lay sod with your wife and that's totally fine and not disorder, so long as, like, the end result is unitive and procreative. It's like that is insane.
Speaker 1:That is that's insane and any moral theologian would literally tell you you're insane. Like this is. This is crazy, and but even the idea that somebody would speak about that publicly a married person would speak about that publicly is just like what. Why would you have that conversation?
Speaker 4:I don't understand it well, because you know, women have largely been unchecked by this and if you were to take like kind of a red pill perspective, it's women are the gatekeepers of sex, so this is perfect, perfectly permissible for them to do this and sexualize the clergy and give us, give us a glimpse into their bedroom. But if you flip this on the other side and you were talking about a nun, and how attractive a man found a nun, and then we're gonna go have these conversations, it's like what I find so sexy about my wife is that they, the guy, would get blasted, and rightly so, because it isn't modest like I, you know you, we would all fraternally correct a guy like that, but all these women are just like yes, queen slay, and it's just retarded.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it's it's so, oh, man, so I don't know, I, I'm, I'm gonna, we're gonna end this segment with just a plea to catholic women who do this stuff online please stop talking to men about these things. This is not your place to have these conversations. Let other men have these conversations with men. I don't need to see Lila Rose and Amber going off and telling men how pornography has been like. That is just not your place. It's. It's very unbecoming of a woman and I don't know. I just I just think that you're all embarrassing your husbands and I think you owe him a little bit more respect than you're showing them.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and secondarily to that is uh, you also don't know how much of an occasion of sin you might be by just simply talking about these things. You know when guys are really going through it and they're struggling with lust and sins of the flesh like that, a woman just talking about this could send them over the edge, I mean. And that's like a real consideration to make. It's like just stop doing it If it's not for your husband, do it for the men that are like largely watching you trying to quit this stuff too. Right, I mean, that's real.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, that's why I said like every one of the conservative e-girls are the same to me. They're all using men's weakness to gain notoriety, to get to build their platform. They know exactly what they're doing and then they're out there talking about this stuff and it's like it's such a contradiction. That's why you don't see any unattractive conservative girl. Look, fox News brings the pretty blonde on for a reason because they know the stupid men sit there and drool over her, even though she has nothing of substance to offer to the conversation.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's absolutely it. It's funny. I mean, you speak out of two sides of your mouth. There's so much cognitive dissonance when you're like preaching about modesty and then you're posting a mass fit. I just I don't understand how the irony doesn't fall upon you, or the hypocrisy doesn't fall upon you, to just not do that anymore. But I think that's also got to do partly with like kind of the catechesis that we all kind of experience, um, as as well. You know, if we're all seeing like trad priests, like dude, one of the first times I met my priest he was calling me out on my tattoos. I was like thank you, father. Like man, I've been seeking this my whole life. Like thank you, yes, I will cover up. You want me to wear gloves, I'll wear gloves too. And he's like no, it's like it kind of goes to show you like how poorly catechized we've all been, not just by our parents but also by the church, right, like it's a real problem, dropped the ball on us, um, uh, and this, this is important too, right?
Speaker 1:I think most people think modesty ends with attire conversation is immodest, while telling men to control it. That's what. That's what my biggest issue with this whole thing was. It's the immodesty of the conversation in public that you this isn't a women's group. It's just not like. It's just not a women's group. It's a very public conversation that now is going viral and it's being critiqued by everybody out on the like. You never know what's going to go viral. You have no idea. We're all putting stuff out there every day and every once in a while something takes off. But the way that clip was edited, man, it just seems like such a total lack of self-awareness, or just the reading the room to me. So I, you know, I'm pleading with you women, because you are my catholic sisters and I don't want to see any. I don't want to. I don't want to see you discourage the young men that I talk to any more than you already have if you just they just took this kind of energy and, uh, talk to women about submission and patriarchy.
Speaker 4:How much better would this than them be?
Speaker 1:they. They would never, no, of course not. They would never like, honestly, think about that, like, think about if, if they actually talked about submission to to their husbands, instead of just presenting this girl boss thing and I have to be the the, the center of every oh man, it's such a oh you, you, you catholic women out there, I don't know what you're going to do if you're looking for stuff to listen to, because I don't know the reality of it is a lot of this content.
Speaker 4:If we're not like being prudent and tempered with how we go about it myself included if we're not like restrained, we don't think about it like this stuff will send us to hell, yeah. So like we should have probably all contemplate that a little bit harder and bring this to our confessors as well, because that's just that's a good idea, because many of these things should not be spoken about. And it's like, if you're not trying to actually like edify your audience with you know true, holy things, and you're just, you know, doing the for clicks or whatever and then doubling down on it, it's like I just I fear for your soul. So like sister, you know brother to sister type of thing, like being real, not just being melodramatic, being real.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is true too, molly, like women should be. It shouldn't be me and you getting on and telling these women that this is so wrong. It should be other women getting on and telling these women, like shaming these women for like being so immodest on on air. You know All right. So we do have other stuff we're going to cover. I got this one, this this girl it's this this girl bugging out because of her student debt, and I thought it was interesting, because everybody's ragging on the girl and I kind of think that it's the parents more than the girls. So I want to see your take on this.
Speaker 5:Let me see so as it turns out, the student loans that I've been paying $1,500 a month for for two years have a 17% interest rate. So what I thought I've been paying off for all this time, I'm actually like I owe more than what I started off with. What the fuck, so job?
Speaker 1:well, you get the gist right so I didn't realize it was.
Speaker 1:I should have probably. Well, you get the gist right, so I didn't realize it was. I should have probably proof watched that it's been a couple of days. Where's Rob? Sorry, rob usually does screen my stuff.
Speaker 1:So everybody was giving this girl a hard time because she basically she's been paying her student loans for two years, like 1500 a month, and she owes more than she borrowed.
Speaker 1:And it's like you know, there's this whole conversation around college debt forgiveness and stuff, and but so much of this, I see, is because of parents encouraging their daughters specifically to go off and get themselves buried in this kind of debt, and so much of it is not even about that.
Speaker 1:The parents want their daughter to be successful, but they want to brag on their Facebook about what their daughter's doing. So when, um, a couple of months back, my, my daughter graduated, all of her friends did this thing on Instagram where the parents would buy a whole bunch of memorabilia from the college that they're going to and the girls would lay on their bed with all the college memorabilia around them and the parents would take pictures and post it on Instagram. And it was such a debauched thing that was happening, because it's like, first off, you just know these girls are going to get buried in debt, drag that debt into their families. But so much of it was just about these mothers wanting to tell their friends well, my daughter's going to this college, my daughter's going to this college, and meanwhile they're sending their daughters off to go live some disgusting lifestyle in college where none of them have any kind of moral upbringing, where they're going to have any kind of defense against the men who are going to prey on them when they go to college.
Speaker 4:And so much of this is the parents, in my opinion yeah, I mean, they're shipping them off to be dysfunctional men, so it's ultimately what it is. And then they're going to go and, you know, lord forbid, get ran through. And then, by the time they're past 30, they're making whatever they're making, still buried in death. They wonder why they can't find a man. And then, you know, the depression sits, sinks in, the reality sinks in. And I particularly have a soft spot, you know, as you do, because you've got daughters too.
Speaker 4:I look at my two little girls and like I'm constantly thinking about their future, like what do I want them to do? I know for sure I'm not sending them to college. Like that's just not, that's not what's going to happen. Most of these issues I mean even the issue that we're just talking about at the beginning comes that we're just talking about at the beginning, uh, it comes down to just, I think, poor fatherhood and a lack of leadership. It's what it is. This this poor girl has been shipped off. Her dad doesn't give a rip about what's going on with her and her debt situation, didn't want to pay for her tuition and then also to compound that, just shifts her off to college. He's probably, I mean and I've seen these videos too. So I don't want to, you know, accuse this, this woman's father in particular, but where the man will buy his daughter.
Speaker 1:Contraception, like my goodness me those men should be put up. They should be publicly like that's the most disgusting thing ever, man, and and and they do it publicly as a virtue signal like they're doing something good. But the look that like. When, when my daughter was considering like what her, what she's going to go and do like the first, when my daughter was considering like what her, what she's going to go and do, like, the first thing I said was you are not going off to get buried in debt to bring that debt to your family. It's not happening. Like, there's no scenario where that's happening. I'm not even going to send you off to college where I don't even have to get to keep an eye. It's not happening. So we had to figure something else out for her. I don even have to get to keep an eye. It's not happening, so we had to figure something else out for her.
Speaker 1:I don't understand and and the the thing is like I saw it. I saw it in my wife where she felt like oh, what am I going to tell people my daughter's doing like that? Because, like all the women are like, and I'm just like, I don't care, it's, it doesn't matter, and that's kind of the thing we're talking about with when the man kind of has to take a a a a position in something and say and he has to say no sometimes, because I, I think so many men just don't want to say no to a situation they know is going to be terrible, but they just don't want to make their wife angry and have the fight.
Speaker 4:Yeah, or their, their extended family. I mean, this is something that I've had to face and it really reveals to you that even, like I mean, many good people don't realize how covertly indoctrinated by feminism they've been. So like I remember, I mean and God bless her soul, like you know, my mom was sitting and my mom's an angel. I love her so much. So this is not, you know, me disparaging her, but you see, you know the daughter she's like.
Speaker 4:So what are you guys going to be when you get older? Like a doctor or a lawyer? I said, mom, mom, mom, like ma, ma, I love you, like and I would never disrespect you, but they're going to be mothers and wives, yeah, and she starts and she's like that's the stuff that we have to do and who cares? I mean, eventually, what I've come to know too, with not vaccinating my kids, homeschooling them, my wife being at home and all this stuff. Eventually, guys, if you just hold the line, people leave you alone, and not just, they don't just leave you alone, they respect you, and then they start to ask questions because they see how well ordered your life is. What's, by the grace of god?
Speaker 1:I've told this story on air. I think it was at Christmas last year or maybe the year before. My in-laws were all asking my daughter because she was coming up finishing school and they're like, oh, what are you going to go to school for? What are you going to do? And she's like I want to be a mom. And they were like, they acted like she just dropped it. You can't, what do you mean? You just want to be at that. You're just going to be a mom. And I was just like, can you all stop feeding feminism to my daughter right now? Like my daughter gave the most amazing answer imaginable and you're.
Speaker 1:And the crazy part was it was all stay at home moms who were giving their all stay at home moms. My, my mother-in-law stayed home. My wife stays over. My wife wasn't adding to this, obviously, but all my mother-in-law stayed home. My wife stays over. My wife wasn't adding to this, obviously, but all my sisters-in-law all stay home and they're telling my daughter that she needs to go be the girl. And I'm like not one of you did this. Why are you pushing this on her when all of you were happy being home? And it's because there there's so much media coming at women these days telling them like you need to be able to have your own way to provide, because when your husband abandoned you, because they all just assume divorce is coming now. It's a.
Speaker 4:it's a crazy thing well, the cover color revolution has largely been largely been successful in indoctrinating people in such a way where, like your situation isn't is one thing and you're wishing so and I'd like to think that you know from your family, or from my family, it comes from a good place, it's not coming from a evil intention. You know there's not, there's no malice there. I I'd like to think at all. Maybe I'm naive, but I'm curious. Man like how old are your daughters? Because you got three kids right, two girls and a boy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, my uh 17 and 14 are my girls and my son's 19, so what are?
Speaker 4:your. You said that, said that you were inquiring. This is I'm just curious. I don't know we don't have to stay on this, but I'm curious with your daughters, especially one being close to college age, like what is she going to do? I know she said she was inquiring about us. What are you guys?
Speaker 1:doing. We put her in an esthetician program so she's going to learn to do like cosmetics, facials, things like that, and I figured that was something because I'm okay with her working until she meets a spouse. And then I figured, after she's married, if she ever had to do something from home to maybe help out, maybe, you know, like a little studio from home or something like that, but it's going to be absolutely no debt involved with it, it's going to be paid off and that's like that was the best option I saw, as opposed to her working in a fast food place or something like that, you know.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and did she feel compelled to do something like that? Was that like, hey, I want to work dad. Like I'm curious Cause I'm like looking into the future.
Speaker 1:I mean my little my girls are so little like four and two. So the way I'm, the way I see it, is, I think that, like there's situations where, especially if she meets a guy who's not loaded right and they're just trying to make ends meet, I want her to have something where she could bring a little something extra and, like my wife does, uh like and she doesn't really do it anymore because she doesn't need to anymore, but she did for years she would do infant photography, so like people would have newborn infants and she would take pictures of their newborn infants. She would take pregnancy pictures of the girls, like maternity pictures and stuff, and for years that helped us like get by. You know, it was when, when times were hard.
Speaker 1:So I think it's good for women to have a little bit of a thing where, like my wife would take pictures for an hour and then she'd be able to edit them from home, so she didn't have to be out in the world and she was never working in a workplace or anything like that. She was able to do this thing from home. So I think it's okay if women have a little bit of a side hustle that they could do from their house. It doesn't interfere with their mother. You know, being a mother, being a housewife, things like that. So I think any guys that have daughters have to try to like encourage their daughters to do something like that Now. Hopefully she never needs it, but if she ever had to in a time of emergency, it would be there.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so long as it came secondary to you know. The vocation of mother and wife, of course. Yeah, that's interesting. I know my friend, will Nolan, is no different. I think his older daughter is working simply for that reason. So when she goes into that role, they've got you know money to bring to the table. When she goes into that that role, they've got you know money to bring to the table, let's say the guy them getting married young. It's not, I mean, unless the family comes from a loaded background.
Speaker 4:That makes sense. I wrestle with this all the time because I can idealize in my mind all I want when my girls are really little, and then you know once the rubber meets the road. When they're older it's a different story.
Speaker 1:Well you have to arrange for them to meet somebody. But it's to me it was mainly like the. The biggest problems I see in society are anytime women are in the workplace, where they're in a co-ed environment. That is a nightmare scenario. If your daughter, like, if a woman is working for a man, I'm sorry she's his boss. The husband is never going to be her boss, like it's just, it's just what's going to happen. Like, if you look up online, there's women will search out why am I attracted to my boss? Because your boss is then taking the role of your husband, essentially, you know.
Speaker 1:So I I think, um, like my. And then I have a sister who does like um, she does. She has like a little hair salon in her house and she'll do like she has like a bunch of girl clients, she, she, she come and she, she does hairstyle, like something like that I think is acceptable. You know, I think my wife doing the photography thing is acceptable. It's just women being out in the workforce I think is just disastrous for marriages. I mean, you look at the divorce rate after World War II and that's not just because no fault divorce was passed, it's because women are now in a co-ed work environment and, I'm sorry, when you put men and women together that are not married, it's just going to happen, and that is what causes 90% of divorces.
Speaker 4:Yeah, no, that's very prudent. It was no different with my wife. We always knew she was going to stay at home. But then when we moved here, we're building this house and moving our lives to a completely different place it's like, okay, well, I've got to rebuild my business and although we're in a decent position, it was a means to an end, it was a bridge. She worked from home, entirely from home, never went to the office until that point where there was that crossover threshold where like, yeah, now you don't have to do this anymore, like we're good, don't worry about it, and praise.
Speaker 1:God, that's exactly what happened with us. It was like a couple of years where, like she was just helping us get our, get our feet on the ground and you have to do what you have to do. But you know it's just you want to avoid any time. You don't want like there's a moral obligation. You have to make sure your children don't bring hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt into their marriage and that's for your sons too, I think, specialized thing that makes the debt he's incurring an actual investment.
Speaker 1:I don't see how you can justify bringing $200,000 in student debt into a marriage when you still have to buy a home and homes are insane at this point. So I mean, I think the whole, the whole university and college system is so messed up. Like they talk about debt forgive, college debt forgiveness how about we just get the fricking interest in check Like you do that and it would cut like most of people's misery off and you wouldn't have to fund cutting people's debt off. It's just, it is predatory lending to kids who don't know any better because they're being told no, you have to go to college to be successful and meanwhile half the jobs these kids are going to school for are going to be taken over by AI at this point.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you're right. I mean if the future were kind of what you're doing with your daughters, primarily focusing on the vocation making a little bit of money until there's that crossover point, doing something from home, not in a co-ed environment, and on the flip side, with young boys. I just had a son and I'm already starting to think about this way, way, way, two decades in advance. It's no, I don't have a business to give him. He's getting into the trades and it's going to be like just bash into his brain early, early, early on, not just practically, but it's also not as expensive, not nearly. And the level of mastery and compensation that comes with that, I mean dude. And the level of mastery and compensation that comes with that, I mean dude. All the guys that I grew up with that got into trades are comfortable men now.
Speaker 1:What happened to me. My son is doing a welding program and it's going to be like 10 grand for him to get certified in all his welding. And then he's talking about like, once he gets that certification he might go for like aeronautics welding or underwater welding and like get specialized in that thing. So it's all his friends are going away for like computer this and computer that, and I'm like these kids, those, those jobs will not exist in 15, 10 years. In 10 years these kids are going to get out of school. They're gonna have 200 000 in debt and they're gonna go oh, can I get a job that? Nah, the ai program takes care of that. So I mean I, I do construction. I. The only reason I didn't bring my son where I am is because the commute is so bad and it takes years off your life.
Speaker 4:So yeah, let me see if I can get him into something like this, which and if they've got some semblance of intelligence to work, ethic too, like once you're a certified electrician, hvac electrician or a plumber, what have you? Um, uh, it's a license to print money. If you have an entrepreneurial mind, yep 100. And it's low-key, you've got contracts. You don't have to worry about leads because, like, you're in demand, you need it's.
Speaker 1:Just if I had to go back and do it all over again and not be like retarded like I was, that's what I would do yeah, um, yeah, I mean I, I think especially there's going to be a huge comeback in the trades just because of the coming technological revolution that's upon us. But like, even podcasting though, jim, like like I know you're goofing around, but the thing is this market is going to be so oversaturated, like it's. It's even so different now than it was three or four years ago, and pretty much everybody that is becoming successful in this has some kind of money behind them to build, build their thing behind them. Like there's very few guys who are just organically pulling off growing a platform anymore. Thank you, mimi, you're the best.
Speaker 1:There's one thing I want to end on before we go over to locals, and it kind of adds in with this whole theme that we've been going with, and that's there's this clip of Ruslan discussing. There was a pastor that was on CNN, I think Doug Wilson was on CNN talking about talking about patriarchy, and I just kind of want to finish up because this whole, this whole episode has kind of been on this. So let's just, I just kind of want to show you guys how the longhouse is permeated everywhere, because what he says is going to sound reasonable, but it's just not. It's just another example of the longhouse.
Speaker 2:Some of his Christian movement is on a patriarchal society where men are dominant and women are expected to submit to their husbands.
Speaker 6:Yeah, I think this is where they start losing. I don't know if he holds this view, but like Joe Webben thinks like women should lose their right to vote, you know. So I think, like I'm with you, I'm like uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, and then they like backdoor, something like yeah, women are kind of subhuman and shouldn't vote. They're creating the image of god. But you know, I'm not saying that, I'm not saying that's like they're officially, but like we had joe webbitt on and he's like flat out, like do you think it's a little bit of a straw man? They use the word dominate where men dominate their spouse. I think dominate, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know how they mean it like as a complementarian, I think men of the head. As a complementarian, I think you should be the head of your household, meaning that there is a time and a place where you may have to have a trump card over an issue where, hypothetically, you and your wife are divided on this, this poison doctrine that is out there of mutual submission.
Speaker 1:It is so insane. No, there are not certain situations where you have to be able to pull the trump card because you're the head of the home hypothetically anthony hypothetically, medically, there might be no.
Speaker 1:You are either the priest of your home, like, okay, so look, I've had arguments with people because I've said that your wife is actually your spiritual child. Right, so you are the priest of your home. It is your actual, your role as the husband to get your wife to heaven. Like if I decided we are not going to go to mass anymore, my, my wife would follow me. I mean, maybe not, but there was a time where she would have. Now I don't think she would. But the point being, you actually have an obligation to be the care, like the priest of the souls, of everybody in your care, in your home, and that starts with your wife. Your wife is your spiritual child. Now, she also has a spiritual motherhood over your children and obviously a natural motherhood too. But you are first and foremost the priest in your home, and it's not a hypothetical situation. At all times you are the head of the home and you will have to give an answer to God if your wife does not get to heaven.
Speaker 4:Well, that's absolutely right. And let's not forget, too, that the only bit of authority a woman has over you is over your body. As husband and wife, you have complete authority over your family, complete, like you can bless them. You have complete authority, but that's not for you, it's for them. So that's exactly what you're saying.
Speaker 4:I think you know you could already start to hear this guy's wheels start to click, his mouth goes dry and he's like, hypothetically maybe, certain, it's like it's okay to say that, yeah, no, I have to say no to my wife. I do say no to my wife and sometimes she'll buck up against it. That's okay. That's because she's a fallen human being, just like I'm a fallen human being. She takes my crap, I take her crap sometimes as well, and it's also it's an important conversation to have about you.
Speaker 4:You know both sides of patriarchy too, which is, I think, what you know. What will uh tim and I have, I think, spoken at length about is um, of course I go to my wife for when I'm making decisions, not to ask her permission, but I know she's prudent, you know she's. She's uh genuine of heart and she's got the best interest of our family in mind, but she knows damn well. The last word is mine. Yeah, like that's not to say she's banished to this corner of the home. I'm trying to help my wife as much as I can on a daily basis and reduce her stress. But she know I know my place, she knows hers and when it comes down to it, it's not this trump card, it's called being a man. That's all it is, and there's a way to say that lovingly too this isn't about like being a monster in your home or anything.
Speaker 1:It's just like you're what my wife doesn't want to be me. Like, that's just. She just doesn't want to be me. She's like I don't want the burdens you have on you. I don't. She just would never want the burdens that I have on me and I would never want hers I don't I.
Speaker 1:I want you know. They're just different. They're just totally different and it's. But this idea of mutual submission is just so upside down to me. It would be it's, and it comes into parish life when priests are submitting to the, to the parish, instead of the priest being the father of the parish and saying no, no, no, this is for your spiritual good, I'm doing this thing because I know it's what's best for you. I don't care if you're upset about it. This needs to be done Like. If more priests would actually have that authority about them, you could fix the church really quick, because it really is a crisis of fatherhood. And if priests actually just started saying like no, I'm sorry we're doing this thing, because this is actually because a priest is going to have to answer to God for every soul in his care as well. It's the same thing in your home. It's just and especially because we have such a such a weak priesthood at the moment, you have even higher of a demand to be the priest of your home.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and if it's all the men that are husbands and fathers that listen to this, I mean this should weigh on your soul more than anything else. I mean it does. I feel it every day. It's like one of the things that I pray about the most. It's like every time I go to confession, every time I go to mass, there is this weight that I'm like and this is that's, ultimately, was the revelation that brought me to. It was like man, I'm going to have to guide these little souls and my wife's soul to heaven. Like how am I going to be able to make an account for this properly? Boom, here I am in the church. Like this should weigh on your soul. You know, this is not about tyranny, this is not about wielding this hammer. No, it's about it is going to test your ability to lead, not because leadership is for you, it's for your family, it's for God. That's how you get yourself to heaven too.
Speaker 1:If men actually understood how much authority that God has given them as men and how they—you are the Christ figure to your family, it should actually make you tremble in fear, like you should actually tremble in fear because it is such a huge responsibility that God has put on men. I promise you women that think they want that responsibility or they don't know what they're asking for Like they don't understand what they are asking for because it is terrifying when you think about every single thing you are going to be held to account for in, in how you ruled your family as a man.
Speaker 4:It's, it's scary stuff Well, especially I mean, you know, material- provision is just a foot in the door in how you ruled your family as a man. It's scary stuff. Well, especially, I mean, you know, material provision is just a foot in the door, although a big responsibility. But it's the spiritual formation you are. You catechize your family. You are actually, quite literally, the priest of the home.
Speaker 4:So, number one, if you're not getting right with God, staying in a state of grace, like denouncing vices in your life, working toward virtue, building a robust interior life and mortifying yourself like that's, those graces aren't just for you. You know, like when I go to confession, like I feel prompted because, of course, like I fear God out of love for him, but it's also my family gets bestowed with those graces as well. I've noticed that the transformation has had on our lives as well, and if you're not leading in prayer, if you're not teaching them, yeah, your wife will, but it won't stick to the same degree. It is fundamentally different, Like the authority that's given to us as father and mother respectively, fundamentally different. This should make you shake Every time you're in the confessional. It should make you shake.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's a couple of things. So your kids are still little. I remember when my kids were growing up there was a couple of things I did with them. Um, one of them was, if they ever had something weighing on their conscience and they came and told me just because it was weighing on their conscience and not because they were going to get caught, but like if they just came to me and said, daddy, I did this wrong, they would get like an act of Jubilee from me, like they would get an act of mercy from me and they would never face consequences for it. Right? So if they, if they came to me as if they were confessing to me, I would just grant them absolution, I don't care how, how bad it was.
Speaker 1:Um, the other thing I told them was if, if we go to mass and you're in a state of mortal sin and you can't receive, I will never ask you why. I will never ask my child why they did not receive. I will make sure they're at confession, that you know as soon as possible, but I'll never ask my children why didn't you receive? It's just something that that's between them and God, and I think it's a greater sin for them to receive in a state of mortal sin than it is for them to, you know, not want to tell me they did something wrong.
Speaker 1:And then there was one other one that I did with them growing up, like, especially if they wronged their sibling, like they, if they came and told me about it, I would just it would. It would be something where they wouldn't get in trouble, like I wanted to show them a great act of what it's like for for God to be merciful to them and also how important it was to um, not ever receive our Lord when you were in a state of mortal sin. Those are two, two lessons that I think I really did a good job with them on. And even to this day my kids will come to me before mass and they'll say, hey, can we go to confession before mass?
Speaker 4:that's beautiful man. I'll just take those, both of those and uh, in my back pocket, particularly the one where they, you know, they, they admit to you, um, what they've done wrong, and then you're kind of like, you're kind of acting in persona, christy, almost in a way, and saying, hey, like we're all good, I'm actually not going to punish you. That's powerful man.
Speaker 1:I appreciate you sharing that yeah, so, um, all right, so we're gonna go over to locals. I got a couple other things. Let me see what I got over for locals. I got a bunch of stuff. Uh, let's see um I got.
Speaker 1:I have the new york post put out um an article about this guy who took his own life, and one of the quotes from the article said it was Chase's own decision to enter heaven. His light will continue to shine eternally in the hearts of all those he touched throughout his remarkable, though far too brief life. Now I want to talk about, like, how ridiculous it is that we spout these platitudes to people about the reality of hell and the reality of if somebody does take their life, like you. Like, we have to get back to telling people the truth about things, because it's actually leading people to think you can do something like that and you're now an angel in heaven or something. So we're going to talk about that. I got a bunch of other stuff too. If you guys are not locals, members, come over to locals. That's where we have the more personal. I'll get a little more personal over there too. We're heading over there. We're not going to do some fancy. Outro, mike, you got anything to promote before we go.
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Speaker 1:Yeah, and hit like and subscribe this video, and Rob and I got our merch shop fixed, so we were having a problem with our merch shop Originally. We have a new vendor, so if you guys do want to grab your, have you accepted Mary as your personal mother and intercessor shirt? Or I'm religious, not spiritual. We got a couple of those up there. So go buy our merch too and we'll see you guys on the other side. Let me see how that'll cut all these feeds. Now, this is always awkward. Used to be like you just used to be able to just hit one or two buttons and it would go well, you need a producer, bro. Yeah, yeah, this guy, he. Oh, I forgot to tell everybody. Yeah, I just cut the youtube feed, but rob's wife did not go into labor. Oh, she didn't.
Speaker 4:No, it was a full day so we were just there. Man, I get it.
Speaker 1:So we were just there. Man, I get it. What do I still got up. I got to get rid of the locals. Should I leave it up on my on my ex? Should I leave it up on my ex feed? I'll leave it up on my ex feed.
Speaker 4:You guys took it down from the, from the Apple podcast stuff. So once in a while on the ex feed ain't bad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'll give you guys a free, uh, free x episode tonight. I'll give, I'll give the full version. Um, yeah, this, uh, this, this is insane. That, um, that, where the heck is it? Where did it go? Oh man, let me find it hang. On.
Speaker 1:The other thing, I've been, I've been watching all these horrible dave ram life advice video, like marriage advice videos. He is the worst, that guy. When I tell you like he, some, a Korean guy, called his show the one clip I heard today and he's like OK, so I've been married five years and I'm wondering should I tell my wife that we're wealthy? And he was like wait a minute, what do you mean? Your wife doesn't know. You wondering should I tell my wife that we're wealthy? And Dave's like wait a minute, what do you mean? Your wife doesn't know you're wealthy? He goes well, no, like I don't.
Speaker 1:You know my wife, I don't really trust her spending habits. So you know, I I have her on a budget, I give her an allowance, and he's like and he got like this raise at his job where he's making like 700 grand a year now, which she doesn't know, and he saves like a couple million. He's like I'm a minimalist, I am in charge of all the spending, and I'm wondering if I should even tell her about it, cause I think once I tell her that we're wealthy, she's going to want to go get a new car. She's going to want to go, and Dave's like this is terrible. You should absolutely tell her. I'm just like I don't know. Man, you might not want to tell this woman. This woman's going to be making you buy a mansion and spending all your money. Boy, yeah, he would tell.
Speaker 4:I mean it's not the first time he's told somebody to go and get like couples therapy because it's like financial abuse. That's financial abuse. He's like the apex predator of boomers. I like the guy for the stuff he says, but he is the apex boomer dude.
Speaker 1:Just worth hundreds of millions of dollars and just unhinged the. Uh oh, he's got this other guy. He's like a total freaking simp. This guy is like a co-host. It is enraging to listen to this guy. He's that, john deloney guy, I think so. Yeah, he's always on the woman's side, no matter what it's enraging dude. Um, I might even have one in here that we could listen to. It's so enraging to listen to this guy. Wait, let me sign into.
Speaker 4:Like all couples therapists. That's just how it goes. People need to go see, talk to a good trad priest. That's what they need. That's fixed most problems.
Speaker 1:All right, here we go. I'm just logging into the local so I can see the chat.
Speaker 1:Let me see, let's see, I'll get in the chat here, all right, um, yeah, let me see. I actually think I have one of the. Uh, I have one of these stupid dave ramsay's clips loaded because they're so bad, like, they're just so bad. I don't know if this is the one we live into already, though that's the thing. Uh, did you see andrew wilson? Um talking about, talking about practicing catholic. Actually, let's play this real quick. Um, this guy claiming to be a practicing I haven't checked what's that. Check this out.
Speaker 7:This is gonna this is gonna infuriate you and I'm gonna say this is a practicing catholic if your faith is so fragile that you're offended about a black woman playing Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ superstar, you've got bigger problems than what's going on in the culture war. Second, we've heard a lot of you know frankly some really weird comments about like homosexual infiltration of American society, like Andrew over there is complaining about people preying on children. I haven't seen Andrew say anything about Donald Trump being in the Epstein files or releasing the Epstein files on here, so I don't really think that's a red herring.
Speaker 8:It's a little red herring. Why do you want these people to destroy your theology? If you're a Catholic, sir, they're going after your theology on the public stage they're taking out the resurrection, a romantic relationship between Jesus and Mary. What is wrong with you? You're not a Catholic, you're a pretender.
Speaker 7:You're not a Catholic, you're a pretender. What is wrong with give me a break. What is wrong with you that your faith is so weak that a play in hollywood that's going to be sure commanded to defend your faith, sir, as a catholic, I'm defending my command to defend your you're going to defend it by rolling over and letting them kick you while you're down? Huh, that's you, that's you defending the faith of christ. My faith is in practice and my faith is not going online and complaining about musicals and making online complaining.
Speaker 8:You're online complaining right now and the thing is you're actually not complaining about it right now. How? Dare christians be offended? What's wrong with you? You're a catholic. You're supposed to defend the faith. Defend it.
Speaker 7:I'll defend my faith andrew, let me jump in. Let me jump in.
Speaker 1:Andrew, did you? How enraging when they oh my gosh man, I mean it really is annoying, because Piers always kind of does this and he'll pick the worst freaking person to bring on with this. It's just people have. No, your faith is so weak that you're offended by a musical. No, how about blasphemy should infuriate everybody, like I'll see and I I get this even with cat like catholics, who are not liberal idiots like that. They will be more offended by me, my reaction to blasphemy against Our Lady than they are at the blasphemy against Our Lady, and I don't, I just don't yeah, sorry, go finish your thoughts.
Speaker 1:I was going to say like I will get into. So like somebody has called Our Lady a vessel and said, like horrible things, lady a vessel. And I and and said, like horrible things about our lady. And I said your mother is just a a vessel for your father's semen. Like, and I and I made the same comparison to a person about their own mother that they were making about our lady and people Catholics were telling me I was vulgar. I'm like he just said that about your mother and you think it's more offensive that I said it about. Like he said that about our lady and you're more offended that I said that to him than you are that he said that about our lady.
Speaker 4:Yeah, cause the word share will become like a quasi homosexual term, like it doesn't mean anything anymore. Like charity, natural, like the anger righteous anger God gives you is like it's the energy that you have to overcome evil, and so, like this is the same energy in a way, although much smaller that like the crusaders felt when they were taking, being taken over by muhammadans way back in the day. It's like what are we supposed to do? This turn, the other cheek thing. This is what it's a completely defanged christianity across the board. And I love andrew wilson. I'm glad he set that dude straight.
Speaker 4:But this is not atypical. Like you go, and if you're just like outspoken and boisterous about your faith and you're calling people out, you know when it's appropriate within context as well. You know when you have like kind of a quasi rules of engagement, yeah, people are telling you that's just like we didn't just love like christ did. It's like, yeah, I I am, I actually am. This is what it looks like in reality, but we've gotten so far away from it and this is again relating to our first point. This is part of the reason why, like, women have been allowed to just like spout from the rooftops and men just remain unchecked. It's like well, turn the other cheek, bro. It's like man, do you forget where you came from? Yeah, like the four, our forefathers. You know the men that died and shed their blood and saw their families killed so we could still practice our faith, especially here in the West. It's wild dude Makes me angry.
Speaker 1:There's this warped understanding of what charity means now, like people think being charitable means just rolling over and being a doormat.
Speaker 1:People think being charitable means just rolling over and being a doormat, and especially in man, especially even what we did tonight. On the other side, people are going to accuse me and you of being uncharitable. And it's like man, that's not what that was like, like fraternal correction, especially if you're not personally insulting and you're not making ad hominem attacks and you're just like all of us chose to be in this public space. So if somebody takes a crack at something you did or discusses something you did, it doesn't mean you're they're being uncharitable to you. It doesn't mean they don't like you. It just means you're having a public conversation and people are going to have a reaction to that. It can't be just labeled as uncharitable every time somebody criticizes you, like there's yeah, act like Jesus, yeah, something like sometimes that calls for overturning the money tables, you know, like if you, especially for blasphemy and things like that, like it calls for losing your cool and and saying I'm not going to tolerate this.
Speaker 4:Well, it's the same thing too. It's like, oh, that's gossip or calumny, or detraction. It's like, does anybody even know what those words mean anymore? Like nobody knows what those words mean anymore. And this is why I'm glad when, like Christian Wagner goes off and actually like defines terms, it's like, hey, these things were said and spoken about publicly, we can actually address them, as long as we're not making like these retarded ad hominem personal attacks. Everybody's like you should go to confession for that. It's like, nah, a public rebuke is a good thing. That's actually scriptural, an open rebuke than hidden love. That is in proverbs, that is from the wisdom text itself. So if there's no place for this kind of course, we should not be surprised why men are softer than baby. Crap. Now, nobody can take. Nobody can take any kind of heat. We just let people do it unfettered, unchecked I.
Speaker 1:I think what happened with alex harado is a good example of it. Right, where, yes, everybody criticized what he was doing but from what I'm hearing behind the scenes, he like went and stayed at a monastery and like it like the. The public rebuke and the public conversations actually led him to try to fix the problem instead of right. So if this whole thing happens with lila that just happened and her statement that she released after is basically her just doubling down on her position, like if you don't have a public outcry where people really do badger her for it, maybe enough of that happens. She'll do a little self-reflection and maybe she'll think twice before she has some of these immodest conversations Like I, I. I think it's actually the charitable thing to do to call these things out at times.
Speaker 4:Well, absolutely. I mean, you're actually like willing the good to the other person. Like it's like you're willing, you're actually like, in a way, caring about their husbands. It's like, man, like you shouldn't be talking about this. You guys are married, your children and for, like the sake of your own soul, like we're not just doing this because of clickbait nonsense. We're trying to get boosted in the algorithm. It's like well, first of all, representing our faith very well, and like we're concerned for your spiritual well-being too and all these things. So it's all combined. I mean, is it necessarily a bad motivation to have to want to talk about this thing publicly because you know people would listen again?
Speaker 1:I think that's also not a bad thing, because you're kind of giving a voice to a lot of these men that have this like indignant rage because they're so completely ignored and spoken over so much and also, if we don't say it, that that will just be accepted as normal and like there's something not okay about allowing like that, that to happen without correction, right, like there's a reason so many young men are looking to orthodoxy is because you have these very masculine priests.
Speaker 1:You have somebody like andrew wilson going out breathing fire to the culture and saying no, absolutely not, that is not and that is attractive to a lot of men. And the men that are actually going to go out and convert people and bring their families along with them and be leaders, like those are that's who you're actually going to attract. So if you, if you want to attract these sissified men who, like Lila Rose, you're going to continue this devolving in the church endlessly. It's just going to continuously devolve and go down and down and down. But if you start to have a few fire breathers out there who actually try to correct some of this stuff, you might attract some other fire breathers themselves what a stupid word. But. But whatever, like you might attract some masculine men to the church and then they will bring their families in and they will raise masculine men, and that is I mean.
Speaker 4:Jesus chose 12 men to convert the world for a reason you need men to leave the church well, I mean you appreciate the choir man, but like, if we're thinking about the catholic world and I know in the orthodox world they've got, you know several guys that are definitely, you know, masculine, virtuous etc. But name five in the catholic world that are doing stuff like that. There's you, there's tim gordon to a degree me.
Speaker 4:Okay, cool, now name like name. Name some other ones, especially their mainstream, maybe not so mainstream. Can you name some more? Can you name some other ones? I?
Speaker 1:I dude, I don't. I want to see some priests do it. That's the thing. Yeah, father modley is ripper girl.
Speaker 1:Father modley is fearless and I know a lot of people don't are crazy about where he goes. But I don't care. That man is fearless to me and he speaks with love when he's talking. But, like I don't see many, many priests out there willing to confront lies in the culture in a very masculine way, because these girls are all going. Oh, father mike, he's so hot. But father mike presents a very college campus girls ministry catholicism at times and I love father mike, don't get me wrong. Like father mike is, his homilies are what I put on for my kids when we're going to mass on sunday. I put those on in the car because he has a very good way of teaching the faith. I'm not taking that from him, but it's a very gentle presentation. Right, like it's not and and because I saw Cameron Riker asked him recently.
Speaker 1:He was like hey, what would you say to young men who are struggling with porn? Like how can they overcome it? He was like first off, I just want to say what did he say? He goes, don't beat yourself up. Like you know, you're going to make mistakes. And he gave like this wishy washy, like oh, no, no, no, no, don't worry, it's OK that you're, that you're gonna make mistakes.
Speaker 1:And he and he gave like this wishy-washy yeah, like oh no, don't worry, it's okay that you're that you're falling and this and that and then. And then he said you know? And then the second piece of advice I would give is change your circumstances, like if something's leading you to have these moments of weakness, like, change your environment, don't you know? Don't bring your phone into a place where you know you know whether it's a bathroom or something like that. Which was good advice the first, second part, but the first part, I just listened to it and I was just like men, if you continue this behavior, you will end up in hell. Do not play games with yourself. Like men need to hear that sometimes they can't always hear the. Don't beat yourself up, man, it's not that big a deal. Like it is a big deal.
Speaker 4:Your soul is on the line well, yeah, I mean, we don't contemplate the four last things nearly enough. I mean, if you just look at some of the visions the saints had about hell and them falling like snowflakes into hell was the saint john vianney, and there was, I know, several others it terrifies you. I mean, especially if you're scrupulous in nature like me, it's like, oh, there's no way I enter heaven, like even to be a long purgatory, there's no way. But that's that's actually good for you, that's that's. I would rather a man overly scrupulous than a man is just so like lackadaisical, where, like he does something on Monday. Yeah, I'll just get to confession on Sunday. I'm like no dude. Sprint there Like as quickly as you can.
Speaker 1:Yes, or are you freezing up the uh mike's a little? Oh boy, we lost my. Oh, there you back. Um, yeah, one of the one of the um.
Speaker 1:One of the best things that um I I started doing before confession was really thinking about my firm purpose of amendment. A lot right and because, and because it's easy to recall your sins, but really thinking about a firm purpose of amendment, because if you don't have a genuine firm purpose of amendment, your confession is actually invalid, even if you receive absolution. Like if you're going to go in and confess a bunch of stuff and you don't actually work to uproot that thing out of your life, you're just, you're just spouting words that you know, you're just going through kind of like faith alone plus the sacraments or something, but it's not, it's not really trying to uproot, like I I found myself dropping the f word way too much lately and it's and it was like I was getting desensitized to it at work and things like that, not not like in a bad place or anything, but I was like I want to get this word out of my language like it's just, it's getting too easy for me to say I do think there might be times that are it's called for. Like I do think there are times where it's appropriate to drop an F word, um, but not when it's just spilling out of your mouth, like you're like that's a, that's a lack of self-control and it's a lack of uh, of temperament and it's immodest Right. So, like I, I so that was in my last confession I've been really struggling to not let it slip out, but I've been really trying not to do it.
Speaker 1:It's been pretty tricky, but it was I. It was because I thought about having that firm purpose of like don't just go in and say this thing and then go right back to your old habit, because that's a silly thing to even confess at that point like, practically speaking, like what, what virtues do you need to practice, um, for that, to combat that specific vice?
Speaker 4:I mean it's funny, just. I mean, now that we're we're kind of disclosing these things, I've been really enamored and diving into like crusade history, reading sword and scimitar by raymond ibrahim, defenders of the west, and it's like wow, this is so mind-blowing, it's emboldening my faith in many, many ways. But what I found myself doing was hating Muslims, hating them, like this visceral feeling of hatred. I'm like, okay, I know, this in a way is not all a bad thing, like it's a repulsion or revulsion toward people that that you know obviously killed Christians for you know, hundreds and hundreds of years. But why am I hating the people? I mean, if Christ could forgive somebody on you know what being crucified, if these people were, they were being martyred we're saying Kyrie eleison while they were being disemboweled or whatever horrific thing that was being done to them. Here I am harboring hatred for my neighbor.
Speaker 4:So, like bringing that to confession. It's like, well, what, what do I need to need to do to combat that? Well, for me, what's what's actually going through a mental examination at the end of each day and going even so, even if it's just five or six minutes, like really trying to develop that habit of mental prayer and examining myself it was, it's so underrated and it. What's funny about that? You probably find the same thing, dude. Mental prayer is hard, like I feel so effeminate because I'm like I don't want to do this. This is hard, dude, that's hard man that's helped daily examine.
Speaker 1:I haven't been doing that lately, but that is such an important thing to do.
Speaker 1:Like, at the end of your day, go through your interactions with people, did you lose your temper? Things like that, because if you don't, if you're not doing that, you actually don't know what you need to work on. Like that's one of the great things about confession is that you're you're verbalizing and you're actually have to do that examination of conscience and you verbalize the thing that you're actually struggling with, because a lot, a lot of times you, you, you think, because you don't like, because even the more, even the venial sins they can, they can become mortal if you're too flippant about them, right, like, even if they're not grave matter, but like you're, if you're, if you're just like, ah, that's just a venial sin, that's just a venial sin, like those things can, can really do damage to your soul and I think, especially today, we have this tendency to think there's only a couple of mortal sins, you know, and it's like nah, man, this, yeah, this is probably way more than we, than we would like to think yeah, I mean it'll darken your will.
Speaker 4:It also I mean darkens your intellect and your will.
Speaker 4:One thing that I've gotten a lot of fruit from is uh, I was listening to ripper talk about mortification and the idea of interior mortification. So like being you know you and I are outgoing, you know, bombastic kind of guys, right, and you know when we're pissed off, everybody knows if something bothers us, everybody knows. So lately I'm like, instead of actually even verbalizing anything like that, just suffer with it interiorly, just like let it aside, let it carry a lace on mentally or what have you. But just try to like, just bear that for a second, whether it be with my kids or with my wife or any little inconvenience would have been traffic. What have you, man, how much that's helped me grow in terms of like just renouncing my pride and being more patient with my children, with my wife, being more patient, loving with other people. It's just, it's because not being able to not temper that emotion, that anger is, it is effeminacy, it's like a lack of motivation towards the spiritual good right dude, I missed mass a couple weeks ago.
Speaker 1:Um, I forgot why. There was like a reason why it wasn't like I just blew it off. I like I missed it for a reason and I found myself losing my freaking temper over and over from missing mass one week. Like it is unbelievable how dependent I am upon attending Sunday mass that if I miss it one time, my whole demeanor changes, the way I handle every conversation changes and I found myself losing my temper at every little thing over and over and getting to confession. After that I was able to control it more, but I was almost like I developed that habit. I think I'm going to start it more, but I was almost like I developed that habit.
Speaker 1:I think I'm going to start doing what you're saying and just that interior mortification of every time I'm upset, not even allowing myself to verbalize it and just kind of just biting my tongue. Like there's sometimes there's times where that comes naturally to me. But yeah, I have that. I have that temperament where it's like I'm ready to jump at anything that upsets me. I probably did it a little too much with that stupid Lila thing on Twitter. Oh no, Mike Frozen on us again. Oh no, yeah, Molly said, it's very hard for a sanguine. Yeah, I have to learn to bite my tongue more often. Um, yeah, so self-denial is is key, um, but also self-denial of like. I found when I'm actually fasting from food, I'm much more capable of um handling. I found when I'm when I'm actually fasting from food, I'm much more capable of um handling. I found when I'm when I'm actually fasting from food, I'm able to actually temper all all the other things that I'm I'm weak on too.
Speaker 4:So uh, sorry about that, bro. I don't know. It's wigged out even on my data here. Uh, I think I might even be doing it again. Oh, my goodness, what's going on here.
Speaker 1:I hear you now. You're fine now, but what did your phone die? I see the chat guys. I'm trying to do multiple things at once, usually doing my best here. Everybody's mad I'm ignoring them in the chat. Yeah, rule number one remain calm. Yeah, so like, yeah, mollylly said out, like for a sanguine, that's actually very difficult to do. Like to control, to control, just mouthing off whatever thought comes here, and that's why mental prayer is difficult for us too. Like, like you both, of our temperament, it's very difficult for us to be quiet. And like, I've finally gotten back into reading. I'm reading um, the iron scepter of the son of man, but even that man, like getting out of the just the 280 character tweet reading like I have tick tock brain from being on Twitter too much and getting back into actually reading an actual book has been pretty tricky, but I've, I've been doing the best I can.
Speaker 4:It's actually, I mean, it's the best thing to unwind before prayer, before bed as well, like man, staying on X right before you go to sleep is the worst thing you can do. Then you start to pray and it's so much harder to stay focused on what you're doing, especially mental prayer. So like since reading although you know it's caused some other things to kind of like inflame within me, especially thinking about or reading about the Crusades it's been actually such a good practice to actually as sort of like a pathway, a bridge to actually praying and praying well, it's not just praying like taking something off the box, you know if you struggle with mental, like for me, some of the some of the best prayer experiences I've had started off with reading something and then contemplating what I had just read.
Speaker 1:And sometimes those have developed into shows and things like that because it was just such a powerful thing that happened to me while I was reading something. And then I'll put the book down and I'll just kind of contemplate what I just read and you're basically contemplating the divine life and you're contemplating things of Christ and things about the church and things like that and that can help you lead into mental prayer well.
Speaker 4:I mean, it's also like the only way to really, you know, tangibly grow in virtue and in the interior life, to progress through that. What is it? Seven or nine stages of prayer, I can't remember. What it is. Um is, if you're actually not progressing with regards to your prayer life and you're not trying to push the envelope like progressive overload, if you will, you're actually not going to progress. There's actually no such thing as a plateau. You're actually just regressing. Old habits are going to come back. You'll start saying the F-bomb again. You'll start losing your temper again and you know couple that with you know habitual sin and not going to confession, not receiving, and now you have a whole mess and now you're worse than what you were before. So it's like you know being more than anything else Again, especially as fathers and husbands. Our families receive those graces from us as well.
Speaker 1:It can't be spoken about enough man, I'm going to send Majarian the link if he wants to come on. He's in the chat. Oh, let's go. Yeah, Majarian, you want to pop on with us? I just DM'd it to you. I just DM'd you the link. If you're around, Let me see. Let me see. Let's see if he wants to pop on, Because I was a little. I was going to invite him on tonight and then I was like he didn't invite me on last night. I don't know about this guy.
Speaker 1:I'm going on the 25th.
Speaker 4:What time zone are you in, Mike? I'm in Mountain, so I'm two hours behind you zone.
Speaker 1:Are you in, mike? I'm in a mountain, so I'm two hours behind you, um. So we're gonna do, we're doing a meet up with a bunch of the guys I went to italy with. We're going to bamf national park in canada, um, which you said it's like four hours from you, right?
Speaker 4:yeah, it's like, yeah, four hours south of me, three and a half four hours south of me.
Speaker 1:So we're going in December. I'm going with a bunch of awesome people. We had such a good time when we went to Italy. It was a very interesting dynamic. The people that went for Patrick are all older, so it was basically a split with like 10 people under 50 or so and 10 people over 50, and the 10 people that were under 50 were all there for me and the 10 people that were over 50 were all there for Patrick. But we ended up like the younger group would stay up late at night and we would hang out and have a glass of wine and we'd be talking and we had such, we developed such a bond that we've been trying to figure out when we're going to meet up again and we're going to go in December. Look at this guy what are you doing? What are you doing? There he is, yeah what are you doing?
Speaker 3:It's the evening cardio, you know. You got to walk around. Getting my steps in. You look like.
Speaker 4:Zoolander yeah.
Speaker 1:He gave us blue steel when you came on. You look like Zoolander. Did you catch any of the show tonight? The YouTube section.
Speaker 3:I caught a little bit, but I was doing things, unfortunately. I know y'all cook Lila, which is good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it's just. The e-girl phenomenon in general is just I don't know man, I don't know who's going to end it, but it has to end, because I was saying it's not just Lila and the Catholic e-girls, it's all conservative right-wing e-girls. They all have this gimmick. When you get into, when you saw the engagement ring gate happen, you saw a bunch of these vulgar, disgusting women who all have like nothing but gross things to say and every one of them are just thriving off of simps. I'll tell you what's crazy is. I know pearl is obnoxious, but she's at least original and adds something different to the conversation than all the other girls, like all the other girls are just.
Speaker 1:Isabella Moody probably annoys me the most because she just drops the N-word. She's being so base. You're just a pretty girl who adds nothing to the conversation. Emily Saves America is just a legit lesbian feminist. At this point, pearl at least calls these girls out for some of their nonsense. So I have a like a. I know she's obnoxious and she talks again. You know she's basically yo sarah stock, absolutely barbecued her.
Speaker 4:Good, yeah, absolutely cooked her, bro sarah.
Speaker 1:Sarah doesn't bother me nearly as much as the other girls. Yeah, sarah's, sarah's not. Um, she's not using like, she's not like doing the mass fit thing. She, I don't know why she doesn't. She doesn't bother me, I don't.
Speaker 4:I don't know if it's I don't know, she just doesn't. She did an interview with Tim on Elijah. I can't remember Elijah Schaefer. Yeah, it was pretty decent on that. Yeah, it was like, ah okay, she seems kind of quiet-spirited, doesn't seem obnoxious, seems like genuine, in like her conversion of the faith. It's like all right, I mean, they're not all the same, they're mostly the same, but she's an honorable mention at the very least. Pearl irks me to no end, but I can't disagree with you, anthony, at all. Like at least she's original.
Speaker 8:She's saying something original you got to respect the originality of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's true, and she's pretty funny, like I know she's awful. I'm not endorsing Pearl, I promise you. I'm just saying saying at least she offers something original to the conversation, because these other girls are just like, they're like, they're still critiquing wokeness and it's just, yeah, just so it's so boomer coded it's, it's like from like five years ago.
Speaker 3:it's it. I mean, have you ever heard them say like an original thought, like everything they say comes straight from Fox News and it's like Fox News is conservatism for like 10 years ago. It's ridiculous. And from men, majority. It's not just that.
Speaker 1:They're taking talking points they heard from men and they offer nothing of substance. They offer nothing unique to the conversation. They're not adding to the conversation whatsoever. They're just a pretty face getting disgusting men who goon to like them because they're pretty. And the fact that most of them are married and their husbands are letting them do this, it seems like prostitution to me.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's ridiculous and I'm hoping it'll come to an end. You know we're cooking up some shenanigans with the boys right now running some experiments, but I'll report back when I'm done with that. But there is, it is ridiculous and, like a lot of them, they are top-down installs, they're not building up from the bottom. It's. You have these organizations in political media that actively recruit girls. They don't know anything about politics. They know absolutely not. Like the average bimbo that's on fox news knows absolutely nothing about politics. They are just there because they are pretty, face all the plastic surgery and the makeup and they'll say whatever fox news tells them to say. That's like really, basically it, and it's the same on twitter. They install these people and there's tons of them and like they all have these like just disgusting sordid personal lives and it was kind of nice.
Speaker 3:It was nice kind of seeing like the curtains open a little bit and actually see like call each other out for that, but it's, it's way worse. It's way worse than what we saw just in that moment and it's all of them pretty much.
Speaker 1:yeah, I'll tell you, man. Look, man, I probably shouldn't say this because I I do like her husband, but I I'm very like, I'm not crazy about candace, like Candice is, I like George, but I don't know, man, get that woman in check, bro. You need to get that woman in check, bro. She is out of control.
Speaker 3:I don't know, I'm just yapping a little bit, a little bit too much.
Speaker 1:I just don't like women, dude.
Speaker 3:It's like what I was saying with mike yesterday about optics like a lot of this is just optics and like when I hear a woman talk, I it's just like part of me my eyes just kind of glaze over a little bit. Maybe that's just like inherent zoomer misogyny, but like it's just like I just stop lecturing at me. You're not my mom, you don't care, just stop.
Speaker 1:It comes completely different, like the lecturing really is just like just shut up, like who are you? Like I don't let anybody. I don't let anybody in my life talk to me like that. We let some broad talk to me.
Speaker 4:That Nick Fuentes Candace Owens interview was a perfect example of that and I got to hand it to Nick. That was like a perfectly tact way of just completely like handling that kind of energy. He did that incredibly well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's just like, like you're a woman, like who are you to tell me what I should be doing? Like, just shut up, I don't. I don't dude, I'm telling you these. They all man, I don't know. I nick is. Uh, I've just because I pay attention to what everybody's saying and I'm seeing people talk about nick that I've never seen talk about Nick. Like they're just like to, to not recognize the moment that he's in right now is just, I think naive, this kid he's. They're all trying to take them down and he ain't going nowhere, boy, and he is dude. He's hilarious. He's really fricking smart, freaking smart dude like I've. I've seen him like riff off the top of his head on geopolitics and where I'm just like his kid knows every freaking detail about every deal that's ever gone. I'm just like I don't know. He is impressive to watch, man, I don't care if people hate him. I don't care if you think he's this. He's that he is when he talks race. He is hilarious.
Speaker 4:I don't know, man, just he's, he's gonna he's a force to be reckoned with he is. I don't agree with everything that he says, but he's undeniable. I mean, that's all that needs to be said. He's undeniable, uncancellable, and for being such a young man with that kind of resolve, it's like dude, like good for you, man, if you're going first get really degenerate with some of the stuff that you. I mean, who was it? It was trent horn's wife that just got cancer, like you know. God bless her. And they're like groiper curse and reposting all this crazy stuff. I mean, these are like a few isolated you know instances right, yeah, and he told me stop.
Speaker 4:So it's not the reflection on him, but the dude. The guy is coming with this massive following too. That just will not jump ship. It's crazy.
Speaker 1:It's so crazy to see. Listen, the Groypers do got to get in. They got to get in check a little bit.
Speaker 3:I'll say a good 90% of them are very normal. A lot of them are very devout Catholic. It's the 10% that just make the rest look bad, I know several guys.
Speaker 1:I know several guys who became catholic because of nick like yeah, in real life, not just online me too.
Speaker 3:Yeah, in real life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like, I know several guys who are now catholic because of nick, and one of them is going to Banff with us. So, you'll, you'll, you'll meet him, mike, like we, he uh, he's, he's like, uh, I think he's early thirties, but, like Nick was talking about Catholicism, he read that book um the sword. And what is that? Uh, I think you're reading it, mike Sword and scimitar.
Speaker 3:Sword and scimitar. He read sword and scimitar, sword and Scimitar.
Speaker 1:He read Sword and Scimitar and he just had this unbelievable reversion to the faith and he's on fire for it. He loves Nick and he loves his Catholic faith.
Speaker 4:Based. Love to hear it. Yeah, he is a powerful tool of evangelization for the young men. Just radicalizing.
Speaker 1:Father Maudsley said he would like to see Nick on Aborting Babylon. Let's go. I mean it might have to be without Rob, it might have to be just me and Nick, because I don't know. Rob doesn't like anybody. I have to like get him to like. I have to just like force him to like people, that's just his disposition, though.
Speaker 4:That's just, that's just that way.
Speaker 1:He is melancholic yeah, mr handsome pants, is nick bullying people about souls, cryptor and the super chats? Is his first step towards conversion? Um, yeah, look, and I think especially the people that don't like him. I think you guys just don't understand. But I, I swear, dude, like sometimes you flip through videos on X, I feel like every other video is a clip of Nick. At this point, oh yeah. It used to be you get some variety out there.
Speaker 1:Now, every time I flip a video and it's not like I'm following all these groipers, it's just so many people are cutting clips of him and he's all I freaking see everywhere. It's crazy.
Speaker 3:He's going viral on TikTok right now, absolutely viral on TikTok, which is crazy because TikTok is insanely left-wing. They censored whatever.
Speaker 4:I used to say things about Nick and now I've completely changed course. I don't have to agree with everything he says or how he says it, but like man you cannot help but respect that young man. No, and you can, you can't like you don't look.
Speaker 1:He says outlandish things the kid's spouting off pieces, crazy things but who cares? Like he's. He'll say some hilarious stuff too. And he says some very poignant stuff and then he's some crazy stuff.
Speaker 1:He did this bit one time, talking about the black people that are coming into our country, and he's like you're not talking about your Harlem blacks. He's like you're talking about your African spear chucking blacks and these people, bro. He went off and it was like he's like these people they're not American blacks. Like you think the crazy American blacks are a lot to deal with. He goes you do not know what's coming into this country right now because in a way, he's not wrong. Like you're opening our country up to the third world. These people are not coming from a Christian foundation, right. So especially you're bringing Muslims in.
Speaker 1:Was this story in in queens, new york, where they were finding all these dead animals that were sacrificed to these foreign gods over the summer last year? And it's because you're bringing these people from all over the world who have never been raised in a christian culture, now they come in and they see their only exposure to white women has been through pornography. So when they see they're and everyone in their culture is wearing a hijab. So when they come here and they see they're, and everyone in their culture is wearing a a hijab. So when they come here and they see white women walking around, they think they're all porn stars and they think there's nothing wrong with going and assaulting them. And this is what's actually coming in. So he said it in a humorous way, but he's not wrong yeah, yeah, it feels like.
Speaker 3:It's like make america haiti, you know, and we're just, we're just importing all these people that they don't share our values they don't share, the more I get radicalized on history yeah, it's just crazy, it's genuinely crazy, and he's like the only one. He's like the only one that will actually like say it.
Speaker 4:And well, this is my earlier point right about getting radicalized, really feeling that, that sense of hate it's massages on the phone we we talked about he's up in canada they don't have internet in can.
Speaker 1:Mike, reset your phone. Canadian internet sucks. This has been a joke. Oh, we lost him. He'll come back, don't worry, he'll come back. Yeah, the amount He'll say back. Don't worry, he'll come back. Yeah, the amount. He'll say things that sound outlandish. But then when you think about it you're like man, he's not wrong about it. And because he's been cancelled from everywhere. Look, there are some jokes I would make when it's like I really can't make those jokes because there's a level where you can't go that far. He does not care, he'll make any.
Speaker 3:I mean, what else are they going to take away from it at this point?
Speaker 1:Like as well like we still want to kind of have some kind of like a wider appeal to a bigger audience. He does not give a flying crap and because he's done that, he has this devoted fan base to him and they're just I don't know. It's impressive. Like what he's done in the past two years has been like wow man, it's a cause he went from. He didn't even have a fricking X account two years ago, dude.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I know he was off of everything.
Speaker 1:He was off of everything he was. He didn't even have an x account. He was off of everything. And then, when elon elon is responsible for this like elon created this monster, so elon's like trying to like get it in, checked out, he's like going up because he was like, hmm, maybe he's a fit like shut up, elon, you literally caused this.
Speaker 3:It's 100 your fault yeah, I mean, if anybody's a fed at elon anyways, so I think like he literally was one, but it's just bobby.
Speaker 1:Bobby says I don't know why him being right about a lot of things gives him a pass on the gen. Nobody's giving him a pass on degeneracy, and I don't even know what degeneracy you're talking about in particular.
Speaker 3:But yeah, yeah, I mean you need, okay, here's the, here's the thing. You need people that you may not necessarily agree with on 100 of the issues, just to push the overton window right.
Speaker 1:And you have to admit, in the past three years the overton window has shifted so much to the right on solely because it's real question, anything, and it's all because of nick solely because of him and and anybody that that doesn't understand, like even like bobby's bobby's pointing out is like certain things, but like there are conversations happening now and you can see, like nick will say certain things and then they're like whoa, let's give. Let's give like a more packaged version of this. That will, because people are asking questions, so we'll give a more packaged version of this. Because people are asking questions, so we'll give a more packaged version of this and we'll allow this to happen because, holy cow, what Nick is saying.
Speaker 1:The thing I wish Nick would talk more about is the theology behind why it's like the Israel question is so important, you know, because it's not just that like it's a very important thing to understand that the, the Jews, will be the ones who persecute the church in in the end times. Like it's going to be the Jews who persecute the church. So all this stuff you're seeing amping up them being called back to the Holy Land, all of that is apocalyptic and all of it is part of the salvation story. Why can't I think of this stupid word? It's prophecy Like this is them being called back into the land of Israel is really is very significant, and I wish Nick would talk more about the theology behind it and not but it. But what he's doing is important because it kind of shows how sinister the motives are behind some of the things that they're doing. So it's I'm glad that he's.
Speaker 1:I'm glad that he's pushing the envelope because it's allowing other people to start talking about it, that he's pushing the envelope because it's allowing other people to start talking about it. Just name who People suddenly. Just name them. Mike, your internet is garbage man. You just got a frozen face of him now. Oh, my goodness.
Speaker 3:He had to go on data yesterday for our stream because it was bad.
Speaker 1:I don't know how you Canadians survive up there. How are you going to be a social media?
Speaker 3:It's basically a third world country at this point, it really is. At this point.
Speaker 1:I would like to get Bobby on To have this conversation, because I know Bobby thinks Nick's a fed.
Speaker 3:I mean I get that take. I know Bobby thinks Nick's a Fed. I mean I get that take.
Speaker 1:It's just like I do too. But I mean, look, the thing is, I think a lot of people probably talk to the Feds around 2020. Like, I just think a lot of people that, like they were like saving their asses, that doesn't mean he's continuously a fed. It means he wanted to save his ass and he probably, you know, it is what it is.
Speaker 3:That's just kind of how it goes.
Speaker 1:Man, it's a good thing I brought you on. I'd have been sitting here talking about myself.
Speaker 3:Talking to yourself yeah, yeah, no, I mean, it's been. I'm hoping the most recent Lila thing helps to deflate Catholic Inc even more, because I think it just needs to die at this point. Some people think that we can save it and I just think it's beyond salvation.
Speaker 1:Well, look, I'm not, I'm gonna. I'll only say this on this side. I'm actually gonna get this off my ex because I don't even want anybody on x seeing hearing me say this. This is a locals only. This is a locals. I'm bouncing x off the stream. This is a locals only comment because, um, all right, I, I genuinely was taken back when I saw christian's picture with amber.
Speaker 1:Like I was like I, he should have took a picture with her husband. Yeah, probably should have taken a picture with her husband, like the I look and, but I'm not to, because it is very difficult to maintain the the no e-girls ever thing consistently when you meet somebody face to face, like it just is like you can't. You know it's very difficult to when some, especially when somebody's being kind to you and it's like you're not going to be a total jerk to them. So I understand, um, I understand the picture picture, but I, I would have, just at a prudent sake, I was like let's not post that. You know, like if you guys want to talk behind the scenes and you know, that's fine and we could be cordial, but like why you guys are teaming up now like the the thing is they, they lure you in with temptation, like they're gonna make you a part of of their thing, and it's very tempting.
Speaker 1:But you just have to get. You just have to get to a point where you just say I'm never going to be part of that group, like it's just, I'm never going to be part of that group. And and there's a freeing thing in that, because then you can criticize stuff like lila because yeah, that was appalling, which she did, and I want to be free to criticize that. And if I, if I go on matt frad's, I'm not going to be able to do that. If I'm friends with all these guys, I'm not going to be able to call these things out, because that is the longhouse. The longhouse is fear of calling something out when it's wrong, because you don't want the girls to be mad at you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean you're enabling bad behavior and they kind of bring these people in, young people, these young influencers, and they try and I don't it's not grooming, because obviously there's like a sexual element to it but like they are trying to bring these people up and they give them some stuff and in exchange they expect the loyalty right. And I've already decided that ship sailed. I don't care, I'm going to say what I want to say and you know, I think that ship sailed when I posted that original tweet. That went off. So like I'm cool with whatever. We're never going to have an e-girl or just any girl on Latin flops, just because I don't really want to talk to them, to be honest.
Speaker 1:And like well. I don't see the. I don't see the point in it. I just don't see the point. Chris from Crash Cannon kept it like. He was like do you want me to get Amber for you? I could set that up. I was like dude, what world do you live in? What world do you live in that you think I care about having Amber Rose on my show? Dude, it'll go so far in the algorithm, I don't care.
Speaker 3:It won't even go that far. I don't care.
Speaker 1:Anyway, I don't care. I don't want to talk to Amber Rose. I'm sorry. Honestly, I really think all the guys in Catholic Inc need to have a conversation with her behind the scenes. If you guys care about her, if you actually care about her, you need to tell her stop posting mass fit pics. If you guys care about her, if you actually care about her, you need to tell her stop posting mass fit pics. Stop talking about pornography Like that. Like you're going to have. You're going to have conversations with girls about girl things and there you know that's totally fine. There's some things you have to stop doing because it's imprudent and it's causing too much crap on the internet and it's like a beer husband.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she wants to do the mass pit picks like for the girls. You can just make a private Twitter and just go through the people and just filter for girls. That's it Like. If you really want to do that, you can do that.
Speaker 1:Start a group chat, a private group chat, with your girlfriends Like that's, because I know girls do have that. And like my wife sends pictures to her girlfriend all the time to show her what she's wearing. That is just a girl thing to do, but you don't put it up publicly for consumption for everybody and then all the men are commenting on it. Shame is an effective tool, but it has to come from people they respect. If this stuff just comes from me, people don't care.
Speaker 3:They just think we're mean. I'm the villain. The only sin in the Catholic Inc crowd, online at least, is being mean. That's really what they care about the most. If you're mean, you can be completely right about something. We're right that she shouldn't be posting those mass pit picks. But just by the very tone of how you're saying it, they'll just discount your whole thing, and it's just ridiculous.
Speaker 1:I'm tired of the tone policing and I think that, man, I think all of it comes down to because people don't want the girls to be mad at them and I just don't care what the girls think of me. I have a wife. I care about what my wife thinks of me, that's it, that's it. I don't care what any my wife thinks of me, that's it, that's it. I don't care what any, I don't care what any other woman thinks of me, my wife and my daughter and my mom, you know. But other than that, like I don't care what what any other woman thinks of me, I mean it doesn't mean like try to make them not like me, but like I'm not actually concerned, whatever.
Speaker 3:I mean yeah, I mean like if if you're compromising on the truth just to Molly coddle for the feelings of women, what are what are we doing? Are you like? You're literally a simp? That's, that is what you're doing. You are literally simping and that's okay.
Speaker 1:You're afraid to offend Lila or Amber. Are you going to ever be able to tell your own wife, no, Like you're, you're afraid of offending those two. How are you ever going to be a man in your own home? That's just how I look at it. It's like I don't.
Speaker 3:I don't know, I just I mean I'll, we could take it one step further. If you're afraid to tell Lila and Amber you know they're being idiots on the internet Do you really think with a gun to your head you will not renounce the faith, like you don't have the courage to stand up to two? You know married women on the internet that are just like some e-girls and you think that you're going to. If someone, if there's an opportunity to be a martyr, you're going to. You're going to. If someone, if there's an opportunity to be a martyr, you're going to say yes.
Speaker 1:Or you're going to renounce the faith. That's actually a really good point, but I think it needs to. I don't know, man, everybody just wants to be social media famous now and they all just like I'm telling you that whole, that's a matriarchy over there, like Lila runs the gamut, like she's. Oh, I'm having the live action influencer summit and that picture man was very, it was like a big moment.
Speaker 3:That was Lila Rose choosing which influencers she's going to bring up and she's going to help promote and she's, she's the matriarch and it's like no, I don't want anything to do with that it's almost like they overplayed their hand a little bit and the mats kind of slipped and it got away from them and I think there's been almost a reckoning and it's coming and you notice like every week it's another influencer. There's something going on with one of those people in this picture and this just shows, like A, they're not picking the correct people, but B, like you know, it's just like this cabal. It's not organic, it doesn't feel organic. It all feels very inauthentic. Yeah for sure, it's like it feels like it's top down and that's really how it is. I mean, you have these, these people like alex, for example. They get promoted from these higher channels before you know he's done much like he gets. He gets promoted by all these bigger channels and then they grow up. That way. It's not like a organic.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna even call pine sap out here on this, because pine sap is is falling for this crap too. Like he at first like didn't think anything of the lila tweet, and then he was, and then he saw everybody else reacted to it and he was like, oh, but yeah, no, it's blasphemy to say that priest is hot. Like dude, you don't even like, you don't know what you're talking about. Like I, I like pine sap, he's a cool kid, but, dude, you gotta get away from all these women. You gotta get away from these women. You are getting sucked into like you're, you're, you're becoming one of those guys and I don't know, I might have to have a conversation with him inside.
Speaker 3:I love pine sap he's a boy, he's a bro, I mean he an OG. It's just you don't, you never want to see, you never want to see your homie simp ever. I mean that's, that's, that's worse than there's, there's, there's, there's a few things worse than that. That's, that's a, that's a major L, but I'm glad at least he saw the light enough to criticize it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, all right. Well, it's getting late. We're going to wrap this up. Mike can't get his internet fixed. He's not coming back, majority. Thank you for bailing me out at the end of this one, because Mike would have just left me hanging by myself.
Speaker 3:Thursday.
Speaker 1:I think Rob and I have Taylor on Thursday. Taylor is promoting his book. I'm going to press him on Leo a little bit. We'll see Good That'll be a good one. Also, I'm wondering if he's being courted by PBD and those guys. I think that was what that was. I think what's going on with PBD is them courting him. I'll see, we'll get to the bottom of some stuff. Yeah, taylor Swift.
Speaker 3:Maybe Taylor's doing his own infiltration.
Speaker 1:You know what it is. He is such an entity unto himself. He is just bigger than anything else in this space. It's pretty funny that he even, like, wants to come on with us. But he asked us to come on. It wasn't even. It wasn't even us reaching out to him. So I'm excited to have him on. We'll see how it goes. But alright, guys, we will see you guys on Thursday. Majoreen, thank you, brother, I appreciate you, of course. All right, we'll see you guys next time. Let me see if we can end that.