Avoiding Babylon
Avoiding Babylon was started during the height of the COVID-19 pandemic. During these difficult and dark days, when most of us were isolated from family, friends, our parishes, and even the Sacraments themselves, this channel was started as a statement of standing against the tyrannical mandates that many of us were living under. Since those early days, this channel has morphed into an amazing community of friends…no…more than friends…Christian brothers and sisters…who have grown in joy and charity.
As we see it, our job here at Avoiding Babylon is to remind ourselves and those who enjoy the channel that being Catholic is a joyful and exciting experience. We seek true Catholic fraternity and eutrapelia with other Catholics who, like us, are doing their best to live out their vocation with the help of God’s Grace. Above all, we try to bring humor and joy to the craziness of this fallen world, for as Hillaire Belloc has famously said:
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Avoiding Babylon
Lila Rose Angers EVERYONE
When Catholic content creators cross the line, who's left to speak the uncomfortable truth? This raw, unfiltered conversation dives deep into the troubling trend of Catholic women discussing intimate details of their marriages publicly while simultaneously lecturing men about modesty and self-control.
The viral clip featuring Lila Rose sparked intense debate about appropriate boundaries in Catholic discourse. But beneath the surface lies a more fundamental question: Why are married women positioning themselves as authorities on men's struggles? This episode examines the phenomenon of Catholic "e-girls" who use their appearance to build platforms while seemingly contradicting their own messages about objectification. It's narcissism veiled as virtue, and it's pushing many young Catholic men toward more extreme ideologies.
Beyond the online world, we tackle the crisis of modern parenting, where parents push their daughters toward debt-laden college paths for social status rather than preparing them for fulfilling lives as wives and mothers. We offer practical alternatives that preserve femininity while developing useful skills—like esthetician training or at-home businesses that complement rather than compete with family life.
At its core, this conversation reveals a crisis of fatherhood extending from homes to parishes. Men have largely ceded the public arena to women, and reclaiming it requires courage to speak uncomfortable truths. The weight of spiritual leadership placed on men should be terrifying—they are the Christ figure to their families and will answer to God for how they ruled their households.
Have you noticed this troubling trend in Catholic spaces? Join the conversation and share your thoughts on restoring appropriate boundaries in how we discuss faith, family, and relationships.
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Speaker 2:All right, so listen. Rob's not here, so I'm going to play the taffy intro that was supposed to play. So this is what should have played if we had Rob here.
Speaker 3:Did you hear it? Marriage, sex and intimacy. In this episode we get real and unfiltered. What I mean by that is I think it's great to talk about how great sex is. Okay, now, this is like where it gets this work. It's like a hot topic issue. Let's do it. Can we all talk about Father Mike Schmitz and how handsome he is? I showed him to a girlfriend who's not Catholic and she's like wins mass. Father Mike Schmitz has not been named dropped yet in that way in this show, but I'm glad it's happened All right.
Speaker 2:That is a grave and dangerous and please stop Taffy is sick, somebody pay that man. Please. I started a tip jar but nobody's chipping in. But if you guys are fans of Taffy's intros, I have a tip jar at the top of my Twitter. Anything that goes in there will go to him. I think somebody gave $1 so far. I was trying to hope it builds up a tiny bit so I can hand him something. But yeah, man Lila managed to set the internet on fire yesterday, huh.
Speaker 5:Yeah, as soon as I saw that post, I said this is going to go viral for all the wrong reasons. I was just like I couldn't comprehend. You know, when you're sexualizing the clergy, I mean there's being a gooner and there's being a turbo gooner, and that is anytime somebody talks about the clergy like that, I'm just, I'm sitting there, I who. Who allowed this to be first of all recorded and then posted and edited in that specific sequence is just imprudent. Let's just put it in a charitable way it's imprudent.
Speaker 2:It was strange because they're talking about how, like sexualization and how men are not animals, and then they act like animals in the beginning and it's like I don't know man. It's just the whole. We're going to play the actual clip that she put together, but it's one thing that she did with Father Mike at the beginning. But there's just something so immodest about women publicly sharing details of their intimate lives with their husbands. Like I just find it extra I don't know if I like that Like there's something so off putting to me about just women. Look, I think that there's probably a place where girls can talk about this stuff, if it's just girls. But Lila puts that out on her Twitter and it blows up. There's like eight million views on it and you have these two women just talking about their intimate lives with their husband.
Speaker 5:It was just so awful in my opinion it's already a problem that women are in this kind of public facing position and not fully taking care of their families. There are very few women, very few men too, but especially few women that should be talking about these things, and the women that should be are often taking care of their well-ordered families. I was talking about this with my wife the other day. I said there really only should be, you know, nuns and sisters and you know women that have taken that kind of vocation speaking publicly on such topics, because they could probably do so with much more prudence and virtue. Versus it just kind of sounding like girls getting a cocktail and talking all kinds of retardation about a priest publicly on that kind of a platform. You just start and you just start to imagine, like, what are their home lives really like if their husbands are permitting this type of like discourse in a public fashion? It's just scandalous dude it it.
Speaker 2:It takes another turn when your wife is the sole breadwinner, like in Lila's situation, right, like Lila's, making half a million dollars a year running live action. So now, a year running live action. So now, even if her husband has something to say, because I'll even tell you this like, coming into tonight's show, my wife saw the thumbnail. She's like why are you? She's like, why are you gonna be talking about something? I'm like be quiet, like don't watch my show. Like you know, like I don't understand why you even like this is just something I have to do, you know. And there's something really disordered in when the woman is the one so Lila, as as much blowback as she got, it's actually beneficial to her to get that kind of blowback and it opens their husbands up to ridicule publicly. And I just don't understand a woman that would want to open her husband up to that kind of ridicule publicly and I just don't understand a woman that would want to open her husband up to that kind of ridicule.
Speaker 5:Well, I mean, it kind of just in a public way goes to show that these men are in a way kind of purse holders like you're allowing yourself to be spoken about in such a way. I don't know their situation if she's the primary breadwinner, but if that's the case, I mean that's already sort of dysphoric and disordered in and of itself. And then on top of that you compound this with being a public personality and then not just sexualizing the clergy in the case of father mike, but also talking about sex, like just women just should not be talking about this in a public like I would just be so mortified if my wife was doing and then doubling down, and then doubling down on it too, and it's like listen, you missed the point of like the pushback that you got completely.
Speaker 5:Like nobody's talking about sex being a good thing. It's like you don't need it, okay. Well, imagine a man, imagine you and I were sitting here. You're like yeah, we don't. You don't need to listen to your wife. Like wives, you don't need to be listened to. Like we don't need to like cater to your emotions, we don't need to help you, we don't need to take you out on dates. You don't need a date, you know, retarded, that would sound like no guy would even permit saying that either. It's a.
Speaker 2:It's a it's interesting because they're they're bragging about how they make their husbands not like I don't know, it's just, it's just, it's just look. This is why I always had an issue with people discussing even the um, the theology of the body stuff, too publicly, because I think in some ways this christopher west kind of popularized talking about these kinds of topics and I do think there's probably some good that came from theology, the body and stuff. But the idea that it's like cool for women to talk about orgasms and things like that, it's just such a weird, a weird thing that has happened since that whole and I was trying to figure out what catholic inc is and I used to think catholic inc was kind of just like anybody related to catholic answers and steubenville and anybody adjacent. But I don't think that's actually what it is. And we did a show last time we talked about this when they put that picture up of everybody and we called it like the longhouse.
Speaker 2:And I'm like like how do you define the longhouse? The Catholic longhouse? And it's. I I'm pretty sure it's. People who see a clip like that in the creator space know there's something off with it but will not call it out or say something because they want to go on lila's podcast or they don't want to have somebody in that arena be upset with them because they criticize this. And I think it goes down to even having a priest at a parish who wants to put an altar rail in for people to kneel for communion, but they won't do something like that because the Susan in the parish rectory or the you know they'll get upset by it. So the priest doesn't actually do what needs to be done because he's afraid to cause waves with the women.
Speaker 5:Yeah, it's odd because it's you know these people in a way, whether they're deliberate about it or not.
Speaker 5:It's kind of gatekeeping the popular shows, the, you know where the majority of the traffic goes, and I think that's a large part as to why most of the Catholic content you see is just apologetic slop. Yeah, you know, and this is why I appreciate about you know what you guys are doing. I'm obviously biased when I'm on the show, but I was listening this far before I came on this the first time, and this is why I also just don't care how big my YouTube channel or my following grows, because there is a huge segment of the Catholic acquiring population, or the Catholic population in general, that is largely ignored, and that's like these, these like younger men that like nobody's speaking to, they're either being told and long housed in, like you know, atoned police by these catty women that should just be taking care of their families, or they're just being spoken over by these like apologists that you know go to chat gbt and like schedule out their, their ex tweets, bro, it's just brutal.
Speaker 2:How awful is that right, like these guys just scheduling their tweets asking chat gbt, what can I, what can? And first off, I I thought kind of feel guilty because I think I did start some of that because I kept seeing all the protestants doing it and like trolling us with mary stuff. So I just started leaning into it and I see a lot of people doing that now. So I do feel a little bit bad about starting that, but it is. It is pretty awful.
Speaker 2:The, the, the challenge is always like what do you do to not be like everybody else? Because the, the apologetic slop really is everywhere and you see the same. How many times can you debunk sola scriptura? How many times? Like they're? They're just the same arguments rehashed over and over.
Speaker 2:Like rob and I have struggled with this too. It's like what is our identity now? Like we don't. We really don't want to discuss rome at all. I, I you know, since since leo came in, I don't want to discuss Rome at all.
Speaker 2:I, you know, since Leo came in, I don't want to be the critic of the hierarchy at all. You know, let that play out the way it's going to play out. So what we've been doing is just kind of picking whatever is happening in the culture and trying to talk about that from a Catholic perspective. But every once in a while something like this pops up and it looks like you're being uncharitable by talking about this. But how do you not discuss something like this when these are catholic creators and and they're just in like it was just so off-putting to me? I don't know, I have, I have a. I'm very worried about the next generation and younger men from what women are putting out on the internet and how I see men reacting to it in this revulsion they have as soon as they see the things they're putting out.
Speaker 5:Yeah, well, I think the identity thing on social media is a bit of like an evolution as you kind of grow and face. I mean it's really smart, it's a prudent thing not to talk about the hierarchy anymore, just for, like, you know your own soul and for the souls of other people that are watching and you know you don't want to sow that kind of like division, kind of keeping your opinions to a degree more or less like to yourself, vocalizing them here and there. That's, that's fine. I love what the show has turned into because I think when discussing this type of thing, you kind of lend a voice to like the indignant, male rage that a lot of these guys are experiencing and seeing and that, like is nobody. Am I insane? Like they feel like they're in a room and like am I the only one that feels this way? Am I insane for having this like reaction of complete, like revulsion, being repulsed by this? It's like no, okay, these other dudes that I respect actually feel this way as well, and so it's so necessary and I think that's, you know, the Catholic content creator space.
Speaker 5:A lot of these people, first of all, are called to because they want to be influencers, and the easiest way that they can do it is going about it in this sort of like sloppy, apologetic, clickbaity type of way. They don't actually have an identity. They don't want to ruffle feathers because they want to get in with all the the peeps, that catholic and whomever those people may be, because otherwise they don't really have a message. Otherwise, who's going to listen to them? What are they going to communicate? This of any value? And so that's why I think you know, uh, whatever you want to call your channel, it's not a ministry, it's not an apostle either, is mine?
Speaker 5:I'm just a dude that like rambles on a webcam about you know, masculinity, but it's necessary because you're kind of, you're off the beaten path and I'm telling you, man, like the reach and the impact that guys like you, rob, you know to a degree myself, you know, not trying to sound like prideful or arrogant is is pretty big. These young dudes, man, they really look to us for some at least, our opinions or guidance, cause we're like the, we're the unks, bro, we're the older brothers. So, like nobody's talking about this, it's like, are these women just going to get free reign to just like, just pop off with the lips, you know, but you still see the simps in their comments defending it, and it's just like I don't.
Speaker 2:I don't, man, how did it get to this place where women can basically say anything for attention and just want and and men would defend it, and like I. I have this because I keep seeing and I even saw keith and um and matt talk about this when keith was on matt's show and there's there's this element of um, any kind of criticism of another catholic is uncharitable and like I didn't want to come on here and start trashing liila, it wasn't even about that. It's more like an assessment of what is happening in our culture with e-girls in general right, because especially e-girls on the right not one of them. Have you ever seen an unattractive e-girl on the right? No, not one right Like none of them are unattractive.
Speaker 2:So every single one of them are using their looks to attract these simps, to get their fan base, and they purposely. I mean the whole thing with the mass fits. And then even you have like isabella moody, who's dropping the n-word to sound outrageous, and I'm just like, have any of these women actually offered any anything valuable to the conversation? That that, that that they're not just like picking off a minute. Like there are a couple of women who I respect in this field, but they're not e-girls. You know, like you get into somebody like Jennifer Roback Morris, who worked with the Ruth Institute to figure out marriage things like that, catherine Bennett, from Catholic Unscripted but they're not e-girls. Like this new crop of e-girls using their beauty to try and suck men in and then posting mass fits to basically like, lure men into their attractiveness and then they'll lecture them about pornography and it's so beyond boggling, toling to like mind boggling to me. I don't know how, like how, we go forward with this.
Speaker 5:Or or lecturing them on on masculinity, and guys just eat it up because it's it's kind of an offshoot of the pornographic culture in a way. Right, and it's it's, it's narcissism veiled as virtue, because these women are like well, they're Catholicsolics, so like I'm going to respect her, I'm really going to listen to her, um, but really it's, it's really just a kind of a slightly more virtuous version of of the only fans, uh, plague, it's no different it really is.
Speaker 2:It's the same and, and especially when you see the girls who left the only fans world and then come into this world and they're doing the same attention seeking it's. It's just with their clothes on. Now, right, and I don't know I'm, I'm wondering what, like how do we win this back? Like Jeff just said it, let me just say he said men, men have largely seeded the public arena to women and it's going to take a concerted effort to win it back. Now, how do you go about that without seeming like a total chauvinist and you're just like shut up women, but like shut up women, I don't know how to handle it.
Speaker 5:I think you said it. I think there are times where the proverbial heavy hand has to be brought in, and it's when things get so far oftentimes the pendulum really has to be brought in, and it's when things get so far, oftentimes the pendulum really has to swing really drastically in the opposite direction. I'm not saying like becoming misogynistic or you know, uh, you know being vicious or malicious in such a way, but I think it's going to take some like serious, consistent correction and like also encouraging us to just stop listening to them, because there's really not much of value that are coming from these, these female platforms. Like almost almost nothing is coming a value that is coming from there, especially not for men. Like if these dudes just stopped doing it in real talk, not even trying to be funny, cause like that's all it is. They're just. They're just sort of uh, enamored by the beauty of these women. Like what do you get from?
Speaker 2:it. Like youtube is 80 male right. So these, these platforms, these women wouldn't have platforms if it wasn't for men watching. But it's. It's an interesting thing because I do think like there probably needs to be, because my wife will, my wife will be like working around the house and she just wants to put something catholic on that she could listen to, and she may not want to listen to some macho masculinity podcast. You know what I mean. So, like I know that there has to be a space for women to hear other women and stuff, but I just think the direction that some of them are going is just you see, the thirst trapping, like they're trying to get men to come into this space and they're using their looks to do it and then they're in there lecturing men about like I don't do you think there's any scenario where a married woman should be talking about men's use of pornography? I, I, I cannot fathom where that is acceptable.
Speaker 5:It's not acceptable. It's very scandalous, even to the men that are trying to, you know, trying to improve themselves, because there's just a fundamental disconnect. It's like when a man or woman is trying to tell a man how to be a man. It's like, listen, we don't. Like I don't know if I, you don't know this, but we don't have the same parts. So you don't relate to the struggle, you don't relate to manhood, you don't relate to you know what a man experiences because of testosterone, because of the fact that we have, the fact that we even have to say this is is retarded. That's how much is the shift in the wrong direction. It's like now you're talking about you're literally talking about men masturbating to pornography and this doesn't occur to you, that this is a bad thing even for you and your soul. Like, why are you even talking about this?
Speaker 2:and you're a married woman and you're talking about this and wild, and they have absolutely and you're talking about this, and they have absolutely no understanding of the like what a man struggles with in that whatsoever. It's not to say like there might be women who struggle with that, but it's nothing like what men are are going through. It's just a place where they have no business talking and they insert themselves into the conversation because of this urge to be men and it's I don't know, man, I'm really having a hard time. I'm having a hard time handling it in a way where you don't come off like a total a-hole when you talk about it, but I I don't know how else to do it, because really it's their husbands that should be telling them hey, you need to draw a line here and don't do this anymore. Like, I'm not comfortable with you doing that. But if the husbands are just like, well, I need the money she's bringing in from social media influencing and not actually criticizing it. Because, look, okay, so Brian holds where. I actually want to find Brian's tweet, because Brian defended Lila and I like Brian. We both like, like, really like Brian. So this isn't I want.
Speaker 2:I want to kind of use what he, what he said to um to try to see his perspective on this. But he said uh, am I the only one who thinks Lila Rose was speaking to a pornified culture that thinks promiscuity is necessary when she said men don't need sex? I didn't hear anything about married men surrendering the conjugal rights, which is what everyone seems to be accusing her of. So that's, that's. That's what I think people are misunderstanding, even she misunderstood in her reply to this. I I'm not saying like in you know, in substance, what she was saying was wrong. Like yes, men don't technically need sex.
Speaker 2:And the thing is, the priesthood is actually like the celibate priesthood is actually the symbol needed, especially in our times, to show people that sex is not the thing you need to be happy, right? So everybody thinks like sex is the thing that's going to make you happy. Well, celibate priesthood is actually a sign that our eternal reward is not going to come down to sex. It's going to be something much higher. Like they are the true romantics, the celibate priest, if they are living a chaste celibate life. But a married woman talking about NFP and her husband her husband turning her on because he has self-condemnation Like it's just not an appropriate conversation. That's what the real issue is here. It's not about the substance of what she was saying about the priesthood and men needing it's just married women should not be speaking publicly about this topic.
Speaker 5:Yeah, and I nothing about what Brianrian said was necessarily wrong, I just think it was the. The point was kind of missed, the outrage. He kind of maybe missed the point in terms of, like the outrage, because there was a mixed reaction, like a lot of people were reacting to the fact that you know, obviously they were talking about father mike schmitz, which brian obviously agreed with us. That's, it's dumb and it's retarded, it's degenerate. Um, but the overarching point was I exactly agree with you it's like, why are women talking about this type of thing when they're married, like a woman going on there, first of all, I mean again, not to bash on, not to keep beating the drum of the father mike schmidt's thing, but it's really bad. Like she should probably, uh, probably, go to confession for that. I'm a scrupulous guy like you should probably, you should probably do that. That's bad to me, that's bad. And then, on top of that, it's like you're talking about how much your husband turns you on. It's like man, like you forget, there are cameras, there's cameras on, and then, on top of that too, right, the audience of men that watch that eat that stuff up.
Speaker 5:Right, a lot of these guys. We live in a fatherless generation. We already know that. Feminism, etc. Gynocentrism. There's also all these men that have mommy issues. So when they they hear a woman start to talk about this, uh it almost kind of uh recreates that mommy issue. So it just takes off because these women are attractive, they're talking about things that guys want they eat up and many of these men cannot stand correction. They buckle. Yeah, this is what I do with guys. I I talk to guys one-on-one all the time. I have a men's group, some of these guys. You give them the slightest bit of pushback and they're just as feminine as a feminine can be and they just they crumble under it.
Speaker 2:Well, they're in the long house, like they're afraid of women. They're afraid of us, especially some. Look, you go to a. You go to a Latin mass and there's a lot of guys that are seeking to be more virtuous and seeking to be, to live a more trad lifestyle. But I see a lot of guys being henpecked at the latin mass too. This isn't a novus ordo latin mass thing. This is a universal cultural issue we're dealing with right now.
Speaker 2:I want I want to jump to a couple of super chats, because people are super chatting and I don't want to let them. I don't want anybody to think I'm blowing them off. Um, just finished the newest shoe on head video. Now the live stream bashing Lila Rose. A good night down with the Rose, up with the shoe. Um, let's see, uh, uh. Big shout out to the channel fruit of the fam. I don't know that channel.
Speaker 2:Um, uh, talking about masculinity, the Knights of Columbus just isn't discussed anywhere by anyone online. They really discussed anywhere by anyone online. They really are just a defunct group of boomers who kowtow to church ladies these days. That that was my issue with the, with the knights of columbus. I I tried to join years back and they were all guys over 70 and I was the only like. I was in my early 30s at the time and I was just like I don't fit here. This isn't you know, I'm not going to potluck dinners and things like that, uh. And then bobby said uh, the red pill craps on marriage unless it's to a hot and super holy trad girl.
Speaker 2:The e-girls sell them that image. It's a recipe for simps. Yeah, not wrong. Yeah, it's um. Wait, let me just go live. Um, yeah, it's I. I just, you know, I don't, I don't even want to make this entire episode, just crapping on this whole issue, but it's getting hard, for it's getting hard to watch this continue and to see how just discouraged young men are getting because they they're getting this image that even the Catholic women are just feminists, like there's, there's no hope for them. And I and sometimes I feel like I managed to scoop up the one feminine girl left who just doesn't give me a hard time I don't, I don't know what these young guys are going to do, but when the Catholic women being presented before them are acting like this, they're just going to be so discouraged and they're going to fall for the red pill stuff.
Speaker 5:They are. This is why there's such a need to talk about the red pill stuff through the lens of the church, because a lot of these natural law observations that these guys make the prescriptions, I mean it's. It's actualized within the church. I mean it's. It's the perfect illumination of the natural law within the catholic faith. So why is there not a place for us to talk about these things? And so, when you get this sort of catholic ink, let's talk about how guys should date. It's retarded and it's gay and it doesn't actually work, I think.
Speaker 5:And also, too, a lot of these men too. I mean, there's obviously a big problem with these women being feminists, but there's also just a lack of masculinity too. This is not about the men, though, thing. This is a lot of guys that are expecting these women to be feminine, but they're not actual leaders themselves too, right. So the difference is and I'm not putting us on a pedestal necessarily, but it's like we're not afraid to tell a woman no, we have boundaries Like it's kind of, maybe if it was natural, maybe it was part of it is nature, or nurture, whatever.
Speaker 5:A lot of these guys don't know, and I don't fault them for it, so they didn't have dads or whatnot. So I think there's gotta be guys that fill that gap and teach these young dudes like hey, this is actually how you talk to a woman and not be a spurg. You know, this is wow. You know, present yourself physically in a way where you're healthy, don't have to be a freaking bodybuilder or whatever like. That's not what I'm saying. Represent yourself in a way that you know you're showing that you've got some virtue, you've got some boundaries, you can speak, you're outspoken, you can make her laugh. That's why that clip that majorian posted after our stream yesterday was, uh, me saying that, hey, if a guy could just fill up his t-shirt a little bit more and make a woman laugh, most of these guys would be married and it's like it's true man.
Speaker 2:I think I think the key to a woman's heart is making her laugh. I think if you could get a girl to laugh, you're in and if you're not a fat, disgusting slob, you're gonna do. Yeah, um, yeah. You also tweeted today just about um. You were like I, because so much of that conversation wasn't just uh, what was even in that clip. Well, I don't know, should we even play the clip?
Speaker 5:I mean, people probably know by now, but yeah, it's probably worth playing, it's not that?
Speaker 2:long? Yeah, because we I think we tend to have this idea that everybody is on Twitter all day, like us and I don't you know. They're just not. So all right, hang on, let's see if I can share my screen here. All right, so this is the clip. Let me pull it up.
Speaker 3:Can we all talk about Father Mike Schmitz? I showed him to a girlfriend who's not catholic. She's like wins mass. What about the man needing sex? That's just a cultural narrative that basically says men are like animals and they have to be able to do this sexual thing, otherwise they're going to go crazy.
Speaker 2:And the reality is there's a whole vocations that are celibate and these are virile, yes, but married men, that is not the vocation for everyone and that is a very much a higher calling right. This is not, you know. And no, men don't need sex, no, I guess. But St Paul also says you should marry so that you're not burning with lust Like it's. They're framing it and I know she's getting into talking about the celibate priesthood, but that is a special vocation and that is not every man's calling and she's setting it up like you're an animal, if you're, if you have desires as a man, and I don't think that's even right.
Speaker 5:Well, that, and then the whole NFT conversation, I mean not mean, not to mention, I mean it's. You can't talk about the priesthood and relate, you know, a member of the clergy to a member of the laity, in the sense that there are obviously, just like you said, it's a special calling of vocation, there are graces that come with the office. So, like these are two different offices, the office of father, the office of father, in terms of, you know, being a priest, are two completely different things, and so to to compare them, to be the same, just goes to show you that a woman really does not know the struggle of the common man, that's not a priest and this is just a tone-deaf conversation.
Speaker 2:Let's see when does it go for me, men's men.
Speaker 3:Some of the most masculine of men I know are priests. We need food, we need air to breathe. We don't need sex. It's a gift of coming together together and it's designed to bring life into the world. I think the sexiest thing about a guy is like their self-control and my husband has like this is so wrong to say this.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry amazing self-control. So after baby number, he's basically telling everybody like why are you saying your poor husband, why are you doing this to your poor?
Speaker 3:or when we started practicing nfp, it was like we couldn't do it sometimes when we wanted to, and that kind of made things a little steamier, like, not gonna lie, it's hard on him too, don't get me wrong. People will say well, oh, do you just do other things for your husband, like are you insane to say something like that publicly come on man, I'm not, I'm not, I stop gooning
Speaker 2:that's all I gotta say. Stop gooning gross conversation. Come on, man, like what are you girls doing? Have some like, have some like modicum of decency to not just blurt any freaking thing out that comes to your look. I understand that we're, we're on podcasts and you're trying to fill air time and you're like you know we don't want to. I get that, but, man, I don't get anybody.
Speaker 2:Because there was a while back my friend Kyle had this couple on who had, like they were huge on theology of the body and they had like a catholic sex toy shop and I was like he caught so much blowback at his parish he had to delete the episode and all this stuff.
Speaker 2:And this is kind of what I'm talking about and it's like there's so many people who go who think it's totally normal to talk about this stuff and even the um, like the NFP conversation that that keeps coming up. Like there's a degree to which, when I see people having it like she was just saying, you know, like making my husband wait this and that First off, it's a very contraceptive mindset to have, right, like they're basically using NFP as contraception. But anytime you even talk about this stuff, you're letting an inkling into your personal life with your spouse. So I've seen people arguing and using theology of the body to say that you know there are things that are allowed as long as the finishing act is pro-life right, or you know it's like, and it's like whatever. I would never have that conversation on air because I'm never letting anybody have a clue what I am, what my wife and I do privately like. That's just not a conversation I would ever have with anybody, regardless of which side of the argument I fell on.
Speaker 5:Yeah, the theology this is where I start to question all these things in a way where I'm genuinely inquisitive, so like when I went on X and I was like, okay, can somebody explain, like I'm five, what NFP is, because I don't understand how you would go about it without it being a contraceptive mindset, obviously in the case of a woman you know, potentially dying if she were to have another kid. I mean, these are extreme circumstances. But then also the theology of the body stuff, where it's like, okay, well, I, where you could go and you know, for the sake of it, not the, the episode not being struck down, you could go and lay sod with your wife and that's totally fine and not disorder, so long as, like, the end result is unitive and procreative. It's like that is insane.
Speaker 2:that is, that's insane and any moral theologian would literally tell you you're insane. Like this is. This is crazy, and but even the idea that somebody would speak about that publicly a married person speak about that publicly is just like. Why would you have that conversation?
Speaker 5:I don't understand it well, because you know, women have largely been unchecked by this and if you were to take like kind of a red pill perspective, it's, women are the gatekeepers of sex, so this is perfect, perfectly permissible for them to do this and sexualize the clergy and give us, give us a glimpse into their bedroom. But if you flip this on the other side and you were talking about a nun and how attractive a man found a nun, and then we're gonna go have these conversations, it's like what I find so sexy about my wife is that they, the guy, would get blasted, and rightly so, because it isn't modest Like I, you know you, we would all fraternally correct a guy like that, but all these women are just like yes, queen slay, and it's just retarded, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:It's so, oh man, so I don't know, I'm I'm good. We're going to end this segment with just a plea to Catholic women who do this stuff online Please stop talking to men about these things. This is not your place to have these conversations. Let other men have these conversations with men. I don't need to see Lila Rose and Amber going off and telling men how pornography has been like. That is just not your place. It's. It's very unbecoming of a woman and I don't know. I just I just think that you're all embarrassing your husbands and I think you owe him a little bit more respect than you're showing them.
Speaker 5:Yeah, and secondarily to that is uh, you also don't know how much of an occasion of sin you might be by just simply talking about these things. You know when guys are really going through it and they're struggling with lust and sins of the flesh like that, a woman just talking about this could send them over the edge, I mean. And that's like a real consideration to make. It's like just stop doing it If it's not for your husband, do it for the men that are like largely watching you trying to quit this stuff too. Right, I mean, that's real.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, that's why I said like every one of the conservative e-girls are the same to me. They're all using men's weakness to gain notoriety, to get to build their platform. They know exactly what they're doing and then they're out there talking about this stuff and it's like it's such a contradiction. That's why you don't see any unattractive conservative girl. Look, fox News brings the pretty blonde on for a reason because they know the stupid men sit there and drool over her, even though she has nothing of substance to offer to the conversation.
Speaker 5:Yeah, that's absolutely it. It's funny. I mean, you speak out of two sides of your mouth. There's so much cognitive dissonance when you're like preaching about modesty and then you're posting a mass fit. I just I don't understand how the irony doesn't fall upon you, or the hypocrisy doesn't fall upon you, to just not do that anymore. But I think that's also got to do partly with like kind of the catechesis that we all kind of experience, um, as as well. You know, if we're all seeing like trad priests, like dude, one of the first times I met my priest he was calling me out on my tattoos. I was like thank you, father. Like man, I've been seeking this my whole life. Like thank you, yes, I will cover up. You want me to wear gloves, I'll wear gloves too. And he's like no, it's like it kind of goes to show you like how poorly catechized we've all been, not just by our parents but also by the church, right, like it's a real problem, dropped the ball on us, um, uh, and this, this is important too, right?
Speaker 2:I think most people think modesty ends with attire conversation is immodest, while telling men to control it. That's what. That's what my biggest issue with this whole thing was. It's the immodesty of the conversation in public that you this isn't a women's group. It's just not like. It's just not a women's group. It's a very public conversation that now is going viral and it's being critiqued by everybody out on the like. You never know what's going to go viral. You have no idea. We're all putting stuff out there every day and every once in a while something takes off. But the way that clip was edited, man, it just seems like such a total lack of self-awareness, or just the reading the room to me. So I, you know, I'm pleading with you women, because you are my catholic sisters and I don't want to see any. I don't want to.
Speaker 5:I don't want to see you discourage the young men that I talk to any more than you already have if you just they just took this kind of energy and uh, talk to women about submission and patriarchy, how much better would them be, they, they, would never, no, of course not.
Speaker 2:They would never like. Honestly, think about that, like, think about if, if they actually talked about submission to, to their husbands, instead of just presenting this girl boss thing and I have to be the the, the center of every oh man, it's such a oh, you, you, you catholic women out there, I don't know what you're going to do if you're looking for stuff to listen to, because I don't know the reality of it is a lot of this content.
Speaker 5:If we're not like being prudent and tempered with how we go about it myself included if we're not like restrained, we don't think about it like this stuff will send us to hell, yeah. So like we should have probably all contemplate that a little bit harder and bring this to our confessors as well, because that's just that's a good idea, because many of these things should not be spoken about. And it's like, if you're not trying to actually like edify your audience with you know true, holy things, and you're just, you know, doing the for clicks or whatever and then doubling down on it, it's like I just I fear for your soul. So like sister, you know brother to sister type of thing, like being real, not just being melodramatic, being real.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is true too, molly, like women should be. It shouldn't be me and you getting on and telling these women that this is so wrong. It should be other women getting on and telling these women, like shaming these women for like being so immodest on on air. You know All right, so we do have other stuff we're going to cover. I got this one, this this girl it's this this girl bugging out because of her student debt, and I thought it was interesting, because everybody's ragging on the girl and I kind of think that it's the parents more than the girls. So I want to see your take on this. Let me see.
Speaker 4:As it turns out, the student loans that I've been paying $1,500 a month for for two years have a 17% interest rate. So what I thought I've been paying off for all this time, I'm actually like I owe more than what I started off with. What the fuck, so job?
Speaker 2:well, you get the gist right.
Speaker 2:So I didn't realize it was. I should have probably. Well, you get the gist right, so I didn't realize it was. I should have probably proof watched that it's been a couple of days. Where's Rob? Sorry, rob usually does screen my stuff.
Speaker 2:So everybody was giving this girl a hard time because she basically she's been paying her student loans for two years, like 1500 a month, and she owes more than she borrowed.
Speaker 2:And it's like you know, there's this whole conversation around college debt forgiveness and stuff, and but so much of this, I see, is because of parents encouraging their daughters specifically to go off and get themselves buried in this kind of debt, and so much of it is not even about that.
Speaker 2:The parents want their daughter to be successful, but they want to brag on their Facebook about what their daughter's doing. So when, um, a couple of months back, my, my daughter graduated, all of her friends did this thing on Instagram where the parents would buy a whole bunch of memorabilia from the college that they're going to and the girls would lay on their bed with all the college memorabilia around them and the parents would take pictures and post it on Instagram. And it was such a debauched thing that was happening, because it's like, first off, you just know these girls are going to get buried in debt, drag that debt into their families. But so much of it was just about these mothers wanting to tell their friends well, my daughter's going to this college, my daughter's going to this college, and meanwhile they're sending their daughters off to go live some disgusting lifestyle in college where none of them have any kind of moral upbringing, where they're going to have any kind of defense against the men who are going to prey on them when they go to college.
Speaker 5:And so much of this is the parents, in my opinion yeah, I mean, they're shipping them off to be dysfunctional men, so it's ultimately what it is. And then they're going to go and, you know, lord forbid, get ran through, and then, by the time they're past 30, they're making whatever they're making, still buried in death. They wonder why they can't find a man. And then, you know, the depression sits, sinks in, the reality sinks in. And I particularly have a soft spot, you know, as you do, because you've got daughters too.
Speaker 5:I look at my two little girls and like I'm constantly thinking about their future, like what I want them to do I know for sure I'm not sending them to college, like that's just not, that's not what's going to happen. Most of these issues I mean even the issue that we're just talking about at the beginning uh, it comes down to just, I think, poor fatherhood and a lack of leadership. It's what it is this. This poor girl has been shipped off. Her dad doesn't give a rip about what's going on with her and her debt situation, didn't want to pay for her tuition and then also to compound that just shifts her off to college. He's probably I mean and I've seen these videos too, so I don't want to, you know, accuse this, this woman's father in particular, but where the man will buy his daughter.
Speaker 2:Contraception, like my goodness me those men should be put up. They should be publicly like that's the most disgusting thing ever, man, and and and they do it publicly as a virtue signal like they're doing something good. But the look that like. When, when my daughter was considering like what her, what she's going to go and do like the first, when my daughter was considering like what her, what she's going to go and do, like, the first thing I said was you are not going off to get buried in debt to bring that debt to your family. It's not happening. Like, there's no scenario where that's happening. I'm not even going to send you off to college where I don't even have to get to keep an eye. It's not happening. So we had to figure something else out for her. I don even have to get to keep an eye. It's not happening, so we had to figure something else out for her.
Speaker 2:I don't understand and and the the thing is like I saw it. I saw it in my wife where she felt like oh, what am I going to tell people my daughter's doing like that? Because, like all the women are like, and I'm just like, I don't care, it's, it doesn't matter, and that's kind of the thing we're talking about with when the man kind of has to take a a a a position in something and say and he has to say no sometimes, because I, I think so many men just don't want to say no to a situation they know is going to be terrible, but they just don't want to make their wife angry and have the fight.
Speaker 5:Yeah, or their, their extended family. I mean, this is something that I've had to face and it really reveals to you that even, like I mean, many good people don't realize how covertly indoctrinated by feminism they've been. So like I remember I mean and God bless her soul, like you know, my mom was sitting and my mom's an angel. I love her so much. So this is not, you know, me disparaging her, but she's like what are you guys going to be when you get older? Like a doctor or a lawyer? I said ma, ma, ma, like ma, ma.
Speaker 5:I said I love you, like and I would never disrespect you, but they're going to be mothers and wives and she's like kind of goes that we have to do and who cares? I mean, eventually, what I've come to know too, with not vaccinating my kids, homeschooling them, my wife being at home and all this stuff. Eventually, guys, if you just hold the line, people leave you alone, and not just they don't just leave you alone, they respect you and then they start to ask questions because they see how well ordered your life is. What's, by the grace of god?
Speaker 2:I've told this story on air. I was. This was. I think it was at Christmas last year or maybe the year before.
Speaker 2:My in-laws were all asking my daughter cause she was coming up finishing school. And they're like, oh, what are you going to go to school for? What are you going to do? And she's like I want to be a mom. And they were like, they acted like she just dropped it. You can't, what do you mean? You just want to be that, you're just going to be a mom. And I was just like, can you all stop feeding feminism to my daughter right now? Like my daughter gave the most amazing answer imaginable and you're. And the crazy part was it was all stay-at-home moms who were giving. They're all stay-at-home moms. My mother-in-law stayed home, my wife stays over. My wife wasn't adding to this, obviously, but all my sisters-in-law stayed home. My wife stays over. My wife wasn't adding to this, obviously, but all my sisters-in-law all stay home. And they're telling my daughter that she needs to go be the girl. And I'm like not one of you did this. Why are you pushing this on her when all of you were happy being home?
Speaker 5:And it's because there there's so much media coming at women these days, telling them like you need to be able to have your own way to provide, because when your husband abandoned you, because they all just assume divorce is coming now, it's a it's a crazy thing well, the cover color revolution has largely been largely been successful in indoctrinating people in such a way where, like your situation isn't is one thing and you're wishing so and I'd like to think that you know from your family, or from my family, it comes from a good place, it's not coming from a evil intention. You know there's not, there's no malice there. I I'd like to think at all. Maybe I'm naive, but I'm curious man like how old are your daughters?
Speaker 2:because you got three kids right, two girls yeah yeah, my uh 17 and 14 are my girls and my son's 19, so what are?
Speaker 5:your. You said that you were inquiring. This is I'm just curious. I don't know. We don't have to stay on this, but I'm curious with your daughters, especially one being close to college age, like what is she going to do? I know she said she was inquiring about us.
Speaker 2:What are you guys doing? We put her in an esthetician program so she's going to learn to do like cosmetics, facials, things like that, and I figured that was something, because I'm okay with her working until she meets a spouse. And then I figured, after she's married, if she ever had to do something from home to maybe help out, maybe, you know, like a little studio from home or something like that, but it's going to be absolutely no debt involved with it, it's going to be paid off and that's like that was the best option I saw, as opposed to her working in a fast food place or something like that, you know.
Speaker 5:Yeah, and did she feel compelled to do something like that? Was that like, hey, I want to work. Yeah, Like I'm curious Cause I'm like looking into the future.
Speaker 2:I mean my little my girls are so little like four and two. So the way I'm, the way I see it, is, I think that, like there's situations where, especially if she meets a guy who's not loaded right and they're just trying to make ends meet, I want her to have something where she could bring a little something extra and, like my wife does, uh like and she doesn't really do it anymore because she doesn't need to anymore, but she did for years she would do infant photography, so like people would have newborn infants and she would take pictures of their newborn infants. She would take pregnancy pictures of the girls, like maternity pictures and stuff, and for years that helped us like get by. You know, it was when, when times were hard.
Speaker 2:So I think it's good for women to have a little bit of a thing where, like my wife would take pictures for an hour and then she'd be able to edit them from home, so she didn't have to be out in the world, like she was never working in a workplace or anything like that. She was able to do this thing from home. So I think it's okay if women have a little bit of a side hustle that they could do from their house. It doesn't interfere with their mother. You know, being a mother, being a housewife, things like that. So I think any guys that have daughters have to try to like encourage their daughters to do something like that Now. Hopefully she never needs it, but if she ever had to in a time of emergency, it would be there.
Speaker 5:Yeah, so long as it came secondary to you know. The vocation of mother and wife, of course. Yeah, that's interesting. I know my friend, will Nolan, is no different. I think his older daughter is working simply for that reason. So when she goes into that role, they've got you know money to bring to the table. When she goes into that that role, they've got you know money to bring to the table, let's say the guy them getting married young. It's not, I mean, unless the family comes from a loaded background.
Speaker 5:That makes sense. I wrestle with this all the time because I can idealize in my mind all I want when my girls are really little, and then you know once the rubber meets the road. When they're older it's a different story.
Speaker 2:Well, you have to arrange for them to meet somebody. But it's to me it was mainly like the. The biggest problems I see in society are anytime women are in the workplace, where they're in a co-ed environment. That is a nightmare scenario. If your daughter, like, if a woman is working for a man, I'm sorry she's his boss. The husband is never going to be her boss, like it's just yeah, it's just what's going to happen. Like if you look up online, there's women will search out why am I attracted to my boss? Because your boss is then taking the role of your husband, essentially, you know so.
Speaker 2:So I I think, um, like my. And then I have a sister who does like, um, she does. She has like a little hair salon in her house and she'll do like she has like a bunch of girl clients, she, she, she come and she, she does hair style, like something like that I think is acceptable. You know, I think my wife doing the photography thing is acceptable. It's just women being out in the workforce I think is just disastrous for marriages. I mean, you look at the divorce rate after World War II and that's not just because no fault divorce was passed, it's because women are now in a co-ed work environment and, I'm sorry, when you put men and women together that are not married, it's just going to happen, and that is what causes 90% of divorces.
Speaker 5:Yeah, no, that's very prudent. It was no different with my wife. We always knew she was going to stay at home. But then when we moved here, we're building this house and moving our lives to a completely different place it's like, okay, well, I've got to rebuild my business and although we're in a decent position, it was a means to an end, it was a bridge. She worked from home, entirely from home, never went to the office until that point where there was that crossover threshover, like yeah, now you don't have to do this anymore, like we're good, don't worry about it, and praise.
Speaker 2:God, that's exactly what happened with us.
Speaker 2:It was like a couple of years where, like it's just, you want to avoid any kind you don't want, like there's a moral obligation you have to make sure your children don't bring hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt into their marriage, and that's for your sons too, I think.
Speaker 2:Like you know, unless, unless your son is going to go for some specialized thing that makes the debt he's incurring an actual investment, I don't see how you can justify bringing $200,000 in student debt into a marriage when you still have to buy a home and homes are insane at this point. So I mean, I think the whole, the whole university and college system is so messed up. Like they talk about debt forgive, college debt forgiveness. How about we just get the fricking interest in check, like you do that, and it would cut, like most of people's misery off and you wouldn't have to fund cutting people's debt off. It's just, it is predatory lending to kids who don't know any better because they're being told no, you have to go to college to be successful and meanwhile half the jobs these kids are going to school for are going to be taken over by AI at this point.
Speaker 5:Yeah, you're right. I mean if the future were kind of what you're doing with your daughters, primarily focusing on the vocation making a little bit of money until there's that crossover point, doing something from home, not in a co-ed environment, and on the flip side, with young boys. I just had a son and I'm already starting to think about this way, way, way, two decades in advance. It's no, I don't have a business to give him. He's getting into the trades and it's going to be like just bash into his brain early, early, early on, not just practically, but it's also not as expensive, not nearly. And the level of mastery and compensation that comes with that, I mean dude. And the level of mastery and compensation that comes with that, I mean dude. All the guys that I grew up with that got into trades are comfortable men now.
Speaker 2:What happened to me. My son is doing a welding program and it's going to be like 10 grand for him to get certified in all his welding. And then he's talking about like, once he gets that certification he might go for like aeronautics welding or underwater welding and like get specialized in that thing. So it's all his friends are going away for like computer this and computer that, and I'm like these kids, those, those jobs will not exist in 15, 10 years. In 10 years these kids are going to get out of school. They're gonna have 200 000 in debt and they're gonna go oh, can I get a job that now the ai program takes care of that. So I mean I, I do construction. I. The only reason I didn't bring my son where I am is because the commute is so bad and it takes years off your life.
Speaker 5:So yeah, let me see if I can get him into something like this, which and if they've got some semblance of intelligence to work, ethic too, like once you're a certified electrician, hvac electrician or a plumber, what have you? Um, uh, it's a license to print money. If you have an entrepreneurial mind, yep 100. And it's low-key, you've got contracts. You don't have to worry about leads because, like, you're in demand, you need it's.
Speaker 2:Just if I had to go back and do it all over again and not be like retarded like I was, that's what I would do yeah, um, yeah, I mean I, I think especially there's going to be a huge comeback in the trades just because of the coming technological revolution that's upon us. But like, even podcasting though, jim, like like I know you're goofing around but the thing is this market is going to be so oversaturated, like it's. It's even so different now than it was three or four years ago. It's even so different now than it was three or four years ago, and pretty much everybody that is becoming successful in this has some kind of money behind them to build, build their thing behind them. Like there's very few guys who are just organically pulling off growing a platform anymore. Thank you, mimi, you're the best.
Speaker 2:There's one thing I want to end on before we go over to locals, and it kind of adds in with this whole theme that we've been going with, and there's this clip of Ruslan discussing. There was that pastor that was on CNN, I think Doug Wilson was on CNN talking about talking about patriarchy, and I just kind of want to finish up because this whole, this whole episode has kind of been on this. So let's just I just kind of want to show you guys how the longhouse is permeated everywhere, because what he says is going to sound reasonable, but it's just not. It's just another example of the longhouse.
Speaker 3:Some of his Christian movement is on a patriarchal society where men are dominant and women are expected to submit to their husbands.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think this is where they start losing. I don't know if he holds his view, but like Joe Webben thinks like women should lose their right to vote, you know. So I think, like I'm with you, I'm like uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, and then they like backdoor, something like yeah, women are kind of subhuman and shouldn't vote. They're creating the image of god. But you know, I'm not saying that, I'm not saying that's like they're officially, but like we had joe webbitt on and he's like flat out, like do you think it's a little bit of a straw man? They use the word dominate where men dominate their spouse. I think dominate, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know how they mean it like as a complementarian, I think men of the head. As a complementarian, I think you should be the head of your household, meaning that there is a time and a place where you may have to have a trump card over an issue where, hypothetically, you and your wife are divided on this, this poison doctrine that is out there of mutual submission.
Speaker 2:It is so insane. No, there are not certain situations where you have to be able to pull the trump card because you're the head of the home hypothetically anthony hypothetically, medically, there might be no.
Speaker 2:You are either the priest of your home, like, okay, so look, I've had arguments with people because I've said that your wife is actually your spiritual child. Right, so you are the priest of your home. It is your actual, your role as the husband to get your wife to heaven. Like if I decided we are not going to go to mass anymore, my, my wife would follow me. I mean, maybe not, but there was a time where she would have. Now I don't think she would. But the point being, you actually have an obligation to be the care, like the priest of the souls, of everybody in your care, in your home, and that starts with your wife. Your wife is your spiritual child. Now, she also has a spiritual motherhood over your children and obviously a natural motherhood too. But you are first and foremost the priest in your home, and it's not a hypothetical situation. At all times you are the head of the home and you will have to give an answer to God if your wife does not get to heaven.
Speaker 5:Well, that's absolutely right. And let's not forget, too, that the only bit of authority a woman has over you is over your body. As husband and wife, you have complete authority over your family, complete, like you can bless them. You have complete authority. But that's not for you, it's for them. So that's exactly what you're saying.
Speaker 5:I think you know you could already start to hear this guy's wheels start to click, his mouth goes dry and he's like hypothetically maybe certain it's like it's okay to say that yeah, no, I have to say no to my wife. I do say no to my wife and sometimes she'll buck up against it. That's okay. That's because she's a fallen human being, just like I'm a fallen human being. She takes my crap.
Speaker 5:I think what Will Tim and I have spoken at length about is, of course I go to my wife when I'm making decisions, not to ask her permission, but I know she's prudent, she's genuine of heart and she's got the best interest of our family in mind. But she knows damn well, the last word is mine. That's not to say she's banished to this corner of the home. I'm trying to help my wife as much as I can on a daily basis and reduce her stress, but I know my place, she knows hers, and when it comes down to it, it's not this trump card, it's called being a man. That's all it is, and there's a way to say that lovingly too.
Speaker 2:This isn't about being a monster in your home or anything. This isn't about like being a monster in your home or anything. It's just like you're what. My wife doesn't want to be me. She just doesn't want to be me. She's like I don't want the burdens you have on you, I don't. She just would never want the burdens that I have on me and I would never want hers. I don't. I want you. Know, they're just different. They're just totally different and it's.
Speaker 2:But this idea of mutual submission is just so upside down to me. It's, and it comes into parish life when priests are submitting to the, to the parish, instead of the priest being the father of the parish and saying no, no, no, this is for your spiritual good. I'm doing this thing because I know it's what's best for you. I don't care if you're upset about it. This needs to be done, like if more priests would actually have that authority about them, you could fix the church really quick, because it really is a crisis of fatherhood. And if priests actually just started saying like no, I'm sorry we're doing this thing, because this is actually because a priest is going to have to answer to God for every soul in his care as well. It's the same thing in your home, and, especially because we have such a weak priesthood at the moment, you have even higher of a demand to be the priest of your home.
Speaker 5:Yeah, and to all the men that are husbands and fathers that listen to this, I mean this should weigh on your soul more than anything else. I mean it does. I feel it every day. It's like one of the things that I pray about the most. It's like I, every time I go to confession, every time I go to mass, there is this weight that I'm like and this is that's, ultimately, was the revelation that brought me to Catholicism. It heaven. Like how am I going to be able to make an account for this properly? Boom, here I am in the church. Like this should weigh on your soul. You know, this is not about tyranny. This is not about wielding this hammer. No, it's about it is going to test your ability to lead, not because leadership is for you, it's for your family, it's for God.
Speaker 2:That's how you get yourself to heaven too. If men actually understood how much authority that God has given them as men and how they you are you are the Christ figure to your family it should actually make you tremble in fear, like you should actually tremble in fear because it is such a huge responsibility that God has put on men. I promise you women that think they want that responsibility they don't know what they're asking for. Like they don't understand what they are asking for, because it is terrifying when you think about every single thing you are going to be held to account for in how you ruled your family as a man. It's scary stuff.
Speaker 5:Well, especially, I mean, I mean, you know, material provision is just a foot in the door, although a big responsibility, but it's, it's the spiritual formation you are. You catechize your family. You are actually, quite literally, the priest of the home. So, number one, if you're not getting right with god, staying in a state of grace, like denouncing vices in your life, working toward virtue, building a robust interior life, andifying yourself, like that's, those graces aren't just for you. You know, like when I go to confession, like I feel prompted because, of course, like I, I fear God out of love for him, but it's also my family gets bestowed with those graces as well. I've noticed that the transformation has had on, on, on on our lives as well. And if you're not leading in prayer, if you're not teaching them, yeah, your, your wife will, but it won't stick to the same degree. It is fundamentally different, like the authority that's given to us as father and mother respectively, fundamentally different. This should make you shake every time you're in the confessional. It should make you shake.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's a couple of things. So your kids are still little. I remember when my kids were growing up there was a couple of things I did with them. Um, one of them was, if they ever had something weighing on their conscience and they came and told me, just because it was weighing on their conscience and not because they were going to get caught, but like if they just came to me and said, daddy, I did this wrong, they would get like a, an act of Jubilee for me, like they would get an act of mercy from me and they would never face consequences for it. Right? So if they, if they came to me as if they were confessing to me, I would just grant them absolution. I don't care how, how bad it was.
Speaker 2:Um, the other thing I told them was if, if we go to mass and you're in a state of mortal sin and you can't receive, I will never ask you why. I will never ask my child why they did not receive. I will make sure they're at confession, that you know as soon as possible, but I'll never ask my children why didn't you receive? It's just something that that's between them and God, and I think it's a greater sin for them to receive in a state of mortal sin than it is for them to, you know, not want to tell me they did something wrong.
Speaker 2:Um, and then, um, there was one other one that I did with them, uh, growing up, like, especially if they wronged their sibling, like they, if they came and told me about it, I would just it would. It would be something where they wouldn't get in trouble, like I wanted to show them a great act of what it's like for for God to be merciful to them and also how important it was to, um, not ever receive our Lord when you were in a state of mortal sin. Those are two, two lessons that I think I really did a good job with them on. And even to this day, my kids will come to me before mass and they'll say, hey, can we go to confession before mass?
Speaker 5:that's beautiful man. I'll just stick those, both of those in, uh, in my back pocket, particularly the one where they, you know, they, they admit to you, um, what they've done wrong, and then you're kind of like, you're kind of acting in persona, christi, almost in a way, and saying, hey, like we're all good, I'm actually not going to punish you. That's powerful man.
Speaker 2:I appreciate you sharing that yeah, so, um, all right, so we're going to go over to locals. I got a couple other things. Let me see what I got over for locals. I got a bunch of stuff. Uh, let's see, um I got.
Speaker 2:I have the new york post put out um an article about this guy who took his own life, and one of the quotes from the article said it was Chase's own decision to enter heaven. His light will continue to shine eternally in the hearts of all those he touched throughout his remarkable, though far too brief life. Now I want to talk about how ridiculous it is that we spout these platitudes to people about the reality of hell and the reality of if somebody does take their life, like you. Like, we have to get back to telling people the truth about things, because it's actually leading people to think you can do something like that and you're now an angel in heaven or something. So we're going to talk about that. I got a bunch of other stuff too. If you guys are not locals, members, come over to locals. That's where we have the more yeah, and I'll get a little more personal over there too. So we're heading over there. We're not going to do some fancy. Outro, mike, you got anything to?
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