Staying Faithful Under a Faithless Hierarchy w/ Nick Cavazos (Full LOCALS Version)

The Three Amigos reunite tonight as Nick Cavazos joins us as we all discuss our own struggles staying faithful Catholics during this crisis in the Church.

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Transcript

Catch‑Up And Inside Jokes

SPEAKER_03 0:31

Nicholas Cavazo's returns to avoid a lot. Man, we have a lot to cover tonight, man. Like a whole lot to cover tonight. But we uh we I we gotta have I'm sure the audience is dining. How have you been, Nick?

SPEAKER_00 0:49

I've been uh good overall. Pretty good overall. I've been uh fairly busy. I graduated from college in December, so that was pretty fun finally finishing that piece. And uh a lot of uh interesting drama behind the scenes that these two know, but no one else knows.

SPEAKER_06 1:07

We know some of it, probably not all.

SPEAKER_03 1:09

We refer to drama like that. When we want to refer to that drama, we call it um uh T.

SPEAKER_06 1:14

We're gonna spill the T.

SPEAKER_03 1:15

No, no, no, no, no, no. But what we call it, we're calling it not Swan Minus.

SPEAKER_06 1:20

Oh flamingo minus.

SPEAKER_00 1:24

Well, we gotta we got a cancerous level of flamingo minus.

SPEAKER_03 1:28

We're not doing it, we're not doing it. That's all behind the scenes though. We're not gonna do that. I don't know. Maybe the locals will maybe maybe maybe awesome.

SPEAKER_00 1:36

I'm just saying we might see some stuff within the next like two or three months, no promises.

SPEAKER_03 1:42

All right, we'll we'll do it all. You guys want the t the tea gotta come over the locals? Also, I do have to what was that last falling out about? You uh uh I know we started off like lightly teasing each other when you went on McLean's show and you took a little shot at me on McLean's show because it was kind of like funny. It was the Facebook post about the Facebook post, that's right.

SPEAKER_00 2:03

Um it was a harmless satirical post where I was I made fun of like a dozen Catholic content creators by putting us all into boxes, including myself, and you guys I just put into the griper box because I was like, Yeah, I'll tell you the reason I wasn't a fan of it was because there was kind of this a little bit of tension between us.

Nick’s Video And Crisis Framed

SPEAKER_03 2:24

It's like if we were like everything was fine between us, I probably would have laughed at it, but it was like it was a little bit of tension between us. I was like, I don't know if I'm I don't know. I probably I probably took it the wrong way. I'm I'm not usually too sensitive, but um, yeah, so uh Nick put out a video yesterday, and uh I watched it and I was like, I'm gonna reach out to my friend. I want to just check in on him, see how he's doing. And um you did take the video down, but I th I mean I think it's fine to like give people a synopsis of what what what you were saying in the video because they can't go and view it themselves, but you want to give people like a synopsis of what what the gist of the video was?

SPEAKER_00 3:02

Yeah, essentially the synopsis is just I think I just said what all of us are feeling, which is just I personally, after seven years of being a Catholic, I just don't know how to square the circle anymore. There's just everything from what I can see to be like doctrinal changes to the scandals, they just pile up over such an amount of time to where it makes faithful Catholics like ourselves feel like we're fighting for a system that doesn't exist. And so a lot of it, as I said in my video, I told people, you know, don't take every single thing super literally, don't take everything super technically, but this is just kind of how I'm feeling about the overall situation. And uh yeah, we got a whole mess of interesting responses, but that's a short summary of it.

SPEAKER_03 3:46

So the interesting responses didn't actually address the things you brought up in the uh in the video, though.

SPEAKER_00 3:53

No, none of it. I've I've been uh posing this behind the scenes, some of these questions I've been posing behind the scenes to Catholic scholars for three or four months now. Um, and I've actually been somewhat surprised I've not gotten any like good answers to any of my questions at the moment.

Trad Negativity And Spiritual Fallout

SPEAKER_03 4:10

All right, we're going to get to some of the like the the bulk of the video a little bit later on, but um I I I do want to say something though.

SPEAKER_06 4:22

Um Imagine that Anthony Abate wants to say something, guys.

Fatherhood, Dating, And Male Responsibility

SPEAKER_03 4:28

So here's um I have like a lot of places I want to I want to go, and uh I want I want to make sure like this Nick, this isn't actually directed at you, it's kind of directed at a lot of the trad movement, and I and I'm gonna explain it like this like I when when Leo got elected, I saw uh something damaging in my own spiritual life under Francis, where I would like this constant focus on like the negativity and the uh like every day I was I was watching Anthony Stein and I'm reading Life Side, and I'm and it was just like one horror story after another. And then when Leo got elected, I wasn't even like, let's wait and see. I was like, this guy's gonna be terrible. I'm just not going to allow that negativity to to drain my life out of me. And it it was a conscious decision, it was something like I I was really, you know, struggling with for a while. And what I I think people need to know their temperament. Like there are some guys who can be in that arena and it doesn't affect them at all, like uh like uh Michael Hitchbourne. He can he can get into the grimiest stuff the church is doing, and it doesn't it doesn't affect his spiritual life at all. It's you know something totally that he's able to deal with. Uh when the situation is getting you down, it's time for anything. We'll do that in a little bit. I mean let me let me get to some of this stuff. So um it's like the online trad world, what what I see is this constant doom and gloom. And there's I I don't I I I don't know, I don't know if I should address that first or if I should go with just even the like just the constant complaining and I'm gonna I'm gonna start it like this. I I have a lot of conversations outside of this show, and like it surprises no one. I one of the conversations I have was with a a young guy who just started dating a girl, and I said to him, uh, I was like, listen, if you want this girl to look at you in admiration, like you just started dating her, you have to be her spiritual father. Like you can't you can't lead her into anything that's going to harm her. Women don't want to be a mommy to someone, right? And it seems like there's especially in a lot of the young guys I talk to, it's like that there's a lot of complaining and there's a lot of emoting and things like that. And I'm like, you you want to be a every girl is looking for a father, and if you have if you if you think if you think about how women function, like they're always going for their dad, right? Like if they had a bad father, a girl is gonna be you know destroyed. No girl wants to be a mommy to a boy, right? So when I when I talk to guys about relationships, it's like I want them to understand that you are this girl's spiritual father. Make sure you guide her in a good place. Your girl will look at you with googly eyes because she will feel safe, she will feel protected around you. If you're constantly like uh like if I came home from work every day and I was complaining about work and stuff like that, it just would not be an attractive thing to my wife. But because I have learned these lessons over time, like um, over it, you know, it took me a while to learn it. I talked to Father Amado the other day on the show about it, and I told him, like, I was playing at manhood in my 30s. I was I felt like a boy playing at manhood, and it wasn't until I took my responsibility as a man and actually started being like a priest to the people around me that I started to come into being an actual man, and so much of that was living out a sacramental life, being Catholic, and actually uh being joyful and sharing that joy all around me. It's um it's uh the the negativity that I'm seeing in the trad movement, it's like we they've put such a poison in in the in the air, and it's just the online tradosphere, I'm seeing it. Because if you go to the parish level, I'm not seeing that. But when I see the stuff online, it's like what we're putting out to the world is that uh we're miserable, uh like we're unhappy. And the thing is, if you are miserable and unhappy, that stuff poisons your soul, like it it it really does. The bitterness, the bitterness will grow inside of you, the resentment, the resentment grows inside of you. We have the words of eternal life, and that's and a lot of people think eternal life is like, oh, you you go to heaven when you die. It's like, no, we actually have them now, and if that if that's not having an effect in your life now, then there's something wrong, and you need to change what you're consuming because what you feed into your mind is going to come out into into the world. When Rob and I made that decision to stop talking about that stuff, so much of it was because I wanted to make sure that we actually brought joy to people. Like we wanted to be a comedy show, and we wanted people to remember it's actually really beautiful to be Catholic and to and to sit and just commiserate on the things that they're doing. Like, I don't, I don't, I don't know how to how to get around like getting into the reason that we're dealing with that yet, but I don't want to go there yet. Um it's like we have been given an opportunity right now. I'm watching the Trads freaking out that the bishop and uh Charlotte took away their kneelers, and it's like they're free. Oh my goodness, this bishop he took away all kneelers. It's like kneel on the concrete, man up. Like, I don't understand what you're complaining about. I I I get that it's horrible. I know, like, I'm not denying the problems you see. I will even tell you, if you follow these men that are giving you this pseudo-messianism, this false sense of mercy, they're the the the whole the whole program, it's not real Catholicism. I'm I'm not making any statement about the child. I'm telling you that these men who talk about this stuff, like you can't follow them, so don't even pay attention to what they're doing, just go and live your Catholic faith. It's like one of the things you said in your video is about the traditional Latin mass coming out of your uh cathedral, and then they put it into a parish, and now you get now you're in a parish hall, and it's like the early Christians had to hide in catacombs for mass. They had to hide in catacombs for the mass. You still have the mass, and you're at a hole, and it's like the to say the church hurt you, it's like okay, you gotta, you have to, you have to. If you if we are unwilling to embrace suffering joyfully, you're missing the whole reason for becoming Catholic. It's like I understand, especially because you just converted and you came in. Whereas like Rob and I have been dealing with this stuff since we're young, but to come into the church and then have all this stuff happen, it's like when you converted, you didn't just convert to a set of ideas. It wasn't just this moral manual and this and this tomistic philosophy. It was like you are becoming Catholic so that you learn to suffer well. And part of that suffering well is what is going to attract the mate to you, it's what's going to make you into a man, it's what's going to make you into a saint. And yes, the hierarchy is persecuting us right now. Christ stood before the Sanhedrin and got spit on. It's like this stuff that we're seeing right now has happened before, and it's very apocalyptic. Like it's not, I'm not, I'm not, I don't want to downplay it. It is really like I understand people's fears. I I read a post by Deacon McDonnelly yesterday where he was going on about how Francis nearly destroyed his faith, and now under Leo, everybody thinks everything's fine, but really it's just more of the same because he keeps Elvin. I'm trying to tell you guys that it is going to get infinitely worse. Like I'm I I've been trying to tell you two for a very long time that what we are looking at right now, it's it's uh, I mean, it if you open the catechism, the 675, it talks about what we're going to go through. And is going to be this pseudo-messianism that actually tries to lure people away. It's the final confrontation the church faces. And you have to make a decision. Like, are you going to stay consumed with the things that are actually destroying your soul, or do you want to live now? Because you guys can all have eternal life now. I look at the conversations I have in my life, I look at the relationships I have in my life, I look at the way I lived in my 30s growing up, or even my like my late 20s, early 30s, when I was telling father, like I felt like a boy playing at manhood, it's because I had my addiction to my phone and secrets from my wife. And it's almost like my wife could sense it. She never knew, but she could sense it. And she she knew like I wasn't being a man and protecting my family. And then one day it changed, and I said, I'm not doing this anymore. And I and I took everything dead. I stopped using the confessional as a revolving door, and I got mortal sin out of my life, and I started being a husband and a father in a way I never had before. And when I tell you, my wife looks at me in amazement, she admires me. I want all of you guys to have that. And the way you do that is to stop focusing on the negativity and to have eternal life now. Like if you go back and read the Sermon on the Mount, it will give you life. If you if you sit there and you let bitterness and hatred and anger brew inside of you, you're in hell already. Forget what's going to come after. You're living in hell now. Nick, you're a new convert, and I think that you have to be very careful about what content you're putting out of what you're consuming because it's dangerous. And you're coming to those. You gave four conclusions yesterday, and I don't think those are the four conclusions. Do you want to go over some of the some of the questions you've been posing to people?

Suffering Well And Joy In Hard Times

SPEAKER_00 15:28

Yeah, I can go over some questions, but I think it might be good for people to kind of get a broader maybe context of where these questions are coming from. I've essentially had a lot of people tell me uh similar things in the past as they're telling me now, which is, for instance, one of the things people are recommending I do is you know, kind of just turn off uh what I see going on in Rome and things on that nature, which believe it or not, I have. I've actually, if people have been paying uh attention to me, I've not posted a ton. I've actually taken a lot of stuff down and then kind of just backed away from stuff. They've told me to um like focus in on my relationship with Christ, which is uh what I try to do, and the way I do that is by comparing scripture. And but the more I read scripture, the more I'm actually coming to some of these great conundrums. So, as an example, one of the issues that I struggle with, and this is what I would really like people to answer, is the Catholic Church in a numerous amount of places teaches that all of its doctrines and dogmas, etc., are perfect, they're given by Christ, uh, and that also her disciplines, which reflect those said teachings, should uh not cause any type of spiritual harm to the believers. Okay. If I accept that though, what do I do with the amount of doctrinal changes that we've seen over the last 60 years from religious liberty to ecumenism to the death penalty, et cetera, and disciplinary changes such as, you know, Amoris Letitia, the gay blessings, et cetera, et cetera. All of this being said, I it leads me to one of several conclusions, which is either A, and there's technically more than this, as people pointed out, but A, you have uh, you know, the sedes are right, and a lot of them have contacted me and been like, yeah, you're right, like these are legitimate changes, and you're right, like you're citing Catholic teaching. B, Protestantism rightly defined is correct, which is that um you have the Catholic Church uh, if you will, building up accretions over time, which are not scriptural and they need to be purged. C, the modernists are correct, and I said I don't believe in that. Some people think I I said that that's a viable option. I said it's not. It's the idea that truth can evolve, which is not it's nonsensical. Or D, the final one, is that Catholicism is in fact true, but the only way to have any type of Catholic life or the restoration of the church, what have you, is for there to be some type of um major reformation that overhauls the entire system that does take a lot of these issues into account. Those are essentially it.

SPEAKER_03 18:04

Yeah, I don't, I, I, I, I, I don't, I think you're missing a lot of options.

SPEAKER_00 18:09

Uh yeah, they're not though, it's not an exhaustive list by any stretch of the imagination.

End‑Times Lens And Catechism 675

Avoiding Scandal And Clinging To The Sacraments

SPEAKER_03 18:12

Yeah, I think I mean, because I I get people that tell me I'm a doomer a lot and that uh you know that that I'm not uh I don't see how you any of us can be surprised by the things we are seeing when we were literally told they would happen. Like we were told there's going to be a great apostasy, we were told that the church is gonna look I mean read 675 before Christ's second coming, the church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers. The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth will unveil the mystery of iniquity in the form of a religious deception, offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in the place of God and of his messiah come in the flesh. Like, so if you're living through that, what do you say? Yeah, I mean, the way I what the church of the no no well, I want to I want to point something out because at the time that the that Christ came, we've gone through this before with with the 12 tribes of Israel, how the 10 northern tribes are dispersed amongst the Gentiles, they're totally lost for the all you cannot find the 12 tribe, the ten nort 10 northern tribes. Christ comes, and by bringing the gentiles into the covenant, that is how he unites the 12 tribes. Paul says in Romans 9, is it that the word of God had failed? Because everybody thought God's word had failed and God's promises has had failed. But God's promises didn't fail, they're just not fulfilled in the way you think. And all the people who want to nitpick and say, Well, this is how the end times are supposed to go, well, this is how it's supposed to be, I didn't imagine that this is how this would be. Where is your like I don't understand it? It's like things are going to get so bad that if these little things that we're seeing now are this disheartening, you're not going to make it because we it is going to the church is going to follow our Lord and his passion and death. It's going to be typologically like it was during his time. Christ is crucified by his own people. We are being given an opportunity to be Christ right now. You're being persecuted by the Sanhedrin, by the hierarchy at times, you're being spit on. You have a chance to be joyful, you have a chance to go to the catacombs, you still have mass. We're going to come to a time where the mass ceases for three and a half years, the holy sacrifice ceases. What do we do then? Because I'm telling all of you that watch this show, if you still have mortal sin in your life, if you're still struggling with that and you have the sacraments, what are you going to do when they're gone? You have no idea how different your life becomes when you actually get this under control. I'm not saying you guys, I'm saying to the people listening. If you are still using the confessional like a revolving door and falling into this into the same sins over and over and just going back to God and going back to the priest over and over, you are going to be in deep trouble when this stuff happens, and it's going to happen. And I don't think people think I'm, you know, I'm a doomer. Look at what is happening in the world. We are racing towards Armageddon right now. You have all this stuff going on with Israel. Are you people not seeing what's happening? We're talking, everybody's talking about Catholics and Zionism. Why do you think Catholics can't be Zionists? We can't be Zionists, we can't support Israel in any shape, form, or fashion because what they are doing there is building their messianic kingdom and getting ready to seat their messiah on their throne. And he is going. There is no possible way any of us can support that in any political, natural, any there's nothing. I'm not saying we should. Uh support their they they have to leave, is nothing like that. We just can't have any support for it. What is happening in the world right now is I mean, I just don't know what like everybody thinks I'm overreacting, or no, we're just coming to a no, it's just the third republic. And are you people nuts? Look at what is going on in the church, look at what has happened. We have never dealt with a crisis on any level like this in our lives. All of the sacraments were changed, all this stuff. I'm I'm telling you, buckle up, live your Catholic faith out, and be joyful. Talk to all the people in your lives. If you have if there is someone in your life that you have a hard relationship with, go make amends with them before you come to the altar. Go heal your relationship with your brother. I'm telling all of you, it is going to get much worse than it is right now. And and listen, I watch I watch the conversations with the Cede Vicantists, and it's like, oh, maybe they have like you're saying, maybe it's Cedevicantism. I see the Cedevacantists, they're the most miserable people on the planet. Their lives are rotten. I don't know what their lives in the parish are like. I really don't. I don't I don't want to say that. But the online ones that I come across, they are the most unhappy, spiritually miserable people on earth. They can't go and evangelize somebody, they can't go and preach the Catholic faith to somebody. They have to go and find Catholics who already believe the Catholic faith and go, no, no, no, you have a false pope. Let me drag you out of it. And what does that solve anyway? The man in Rome is still seen by the world as the bishop of Rome. What's the difference? The sacraments are real, and I can tell you the sacraments are real because I see the way my life is lived. And I could never ever have gotten control of my passions and my sins without the sacraments. So all of you, get it together. Like this is so important. You guys are going to end up in hell if you don't think about what I'm saying here. Your souls depend on it. Your lives now, like the the opportunity to be a saint is before every single one of us right now. I have um I I work with a guy who's uh he has a dual citizenship with Spain and and America. His his family's from Spain. I I talked to him a couple of weeks ago, telling him about Spanish Catholicism and just showing him how amazing Spanish. I showed him the the uh holy day processions in Spain on uh that that Mass of the Ages just put out. I was talking to him about how important he has a seven-month-old daughter, guy hasn't been to Mass in in years, probably 20 years. Have this conversation with him. Talk to him about the importance uh that he has as a father to raise his daughter as a Catholic. Don't let this cultural inheritance that you have get squandered. If you don't give your daughter something, she's gonna believe in anything. I we were the company was shut down for three weeks. We got shut down for weather. I came back to work yesterday, worked with him for the first time. This guy ran up to me. He could not wait to tell me that he baptized his daughter and he's back at mass. Do you think I told him, hey, the bishop in Rome is the end, it's not really the bishop in Rome. You don't know all the scandals that are going on. No, I'm talking to him about the beautiful experience of being Catholic because living out a Catholic life is the most beautiful gift you could possibly have on this earth. Your relationships in your life will flourish, your marriage will flourish, if you have a girlfriend, it'll flourish. But if you just think this stuff is a list of things on a piece of paper or some manual to study, I promise you, you're going to fall apart because that's not what this is. This is about how we treat each other. This is about how we love the souls that God has put in our lives. If you guys are not treating one another as Christ treated them, treated treated everyone, you're missing the point of this. I'm not talking to you guys, I'm talking to everybody. Like, I can't tell you how much my life has changed. I want everybody that watches this show to have what I have. It is literally the greatest life I could have ever asked for. God has given me a sense of purpose, He's given me a sense of meaning, He's given me a beautiful wife and children, and they all adore me. My wife worships me. I want that for you men. But if you sit there and you're and you're complaining all the time, I'm telling you, these girls will just look at you like, I don't need a son, I don't want to be a mommy to somebody. They want men and men, God called 12 men to evangelize the world, and I am looking to get other men to help me evangelize the world right now because the world is broken and hell is on its way. And you guys, I don't give a shit who thinks I'm I'm wrong. Pay attention, pay attention, like really look at what's happening right now. We're about to go to war with Iran, freaking AI's coming, we have the alien stuff happening. Wake up, every one of you. Stop worrying about the altar girl in Rome. Get on your freaking knees and get off the damn internet. All of you. Every one of these guys that fight with me online, these stupid set of contests that are fighting with me online, they're freaking 20-something years old. These kids are sitting there looking at their phones, they're freaking, they're all porn rattled addicts. You make me sick. You make me sick. Be a freaking man telling me I'm a bread worshiper. I'll smack the teeth right out of your face. I'm a bread worshiper. You don't have a single friend in your life. They don't know how to treat another human being like a person. It's like I don't get you guys. All I want for you guys is to have life, like we have eternal life now. You're going and receiving the body and blood of the Lord Jesus Christ every Sunday at Mass. It's in a hole for you. Like that's where I'm at with this stuff. We all need to man up right now. It is not going to be easy going forward. And if if we don't get it together, first off, I want people to see the beauty of the traditional Catholic faith. I don't want them to see this bitterness in us because it's amazing. It's like we know we have the treasure, the pearl of great price, and all we're doing is making people think we're bitter and rotten and mad at everybody, and we hate everybody. And it's like it, it's really, it's really upsetting, man. This isn't, I'm telling you, Nick, this is about everybody I see online. This is about the the crazy headlines that I see from life site news sometimes. It's about the constant just, it's like we all know what's happening. And it's totally fine to actually like warn people that hey, this is a spiritual danger. Like, if you follow this, that's actually a danger. That's totally fine. Like, we could, yes, we're totally like fiducia supplicants. I don't know what the church is up to right now. I have no idea. I'm not telling you guys I have the answers to the questions of what happened at the council. I don't know. What I do know is my life, because I have chosen to live my Catholic faith out and be joyful and love the people that God has put in my life. Because if you can't love the people in your life, you'll never love your enemies. And what's what's what's actually crazy is those stupid SETA's that I'm talking about right now, I was the only one that actually gave a crap about those kids. I was the only one that gave a crap about those kids. They don't, they even the other SEDEs hate them. They don't have a single friend in the world, and I wanted to be friends with them. I thought they were funny at first. They're a bunch of degenerates, they don't know how to treat people, they don't know how to it's just I really want you people to really understand the freaking treasure God has given us. Yeah, it's just like I get, I get, I get I get heated about it because it's like we are supposed to literally be salt and light, like we're the light of the world, we're supposed to be drawing people into this thing, but I'm telling you, like the people I encounter want what I have, they want what I have. I don't know what sanctity looks like, but I don't think everything looks the same. Like you look at all this, like we read about the saints, and like there's this picture perfect thing that they they present to you when you read about a saint from the Middle Ages and they had all these miracles in them, but I don't know it like I don't think I could ever be that, but I know I have this charge to love people and care about people. And if I see somebody hurting, I reach out to them and I try to try to try to offer anything I can. When I see one of God's children hurting, I want to be there for them. And and I didn't have that in me before. I have this like burning desire to to be there for people now. It's like my wife actually says, she's like, You just you're always worried about everyone. My heart is just always worried about this one, I'm worried about this one. How's this one doing? How's this one doing? I'm constantly, I was like, I got a million people I'm trying to maintain friendships with because I know they're lonely and they need somebody, and I just want to see if I can offer anything for them because we're all so freaking broken because we live on the freaking internet and we don't have personal relationships anymore. We don't have like it's we there needs to be more men's groups, and people need to get together. That's why I love like Keith Nestor and Mike Pantile, what those guys are doing. Like, Keith Nestor's going to a men's group and he's and he's and he's meeting up on he's not doing shop content on the internet, he's just trying to bring the joy of the gospel to people. Mike Pantile, he's like going through all this stuff, he's helping men become men because none of us had good fathers, man. None of us did. No, I wish somebody had this conversation with me when I was younger because I could have learned this stuff 20 years earlier than I did. It took me until I was in my early 30s to even start to pick up on it. And it's like, I I watched, like, I've been watching Tim Gordon, and it's like he has so many amazing insights, and he's like, we all understand the destruction that feminism has wrought on us, but how do we as men fix it? And the thing is, the reason women are broken is because all of us are infected by feminism. But if men are men, women will be women, and if you meet a girl in your life, if you act like a man and guard her soul and be the shepherd to her soul, I promise you, your girl will look at you with googly eyes, man. But if you're sneaking off and looking at stuff on your phone, if you're if you're if you have secrets from your wife, if you're hiding things from her, she's gonna know. Your wife needs to know I save every ounce of my sexual energy for you. You are the only one I have eyes for. I would never dare risk what we have to go look at something other than you. My children need to know that. My wife needs to know that, and I promise you guys, when that happens, your home will be great, you'll have a beautiful life at home. 100% a woman can sense something going on with a with a man, 100%. And the and the thing is, like, so many of us, like like we so many of us didn't have like good spiritual fathers to keep us from falling into these bad every single guy I know, me included, all of us just ruined by the ravages of the internet in those early years. Access to things we never should have had access to, and our parents just basically stood back, like, oh, okay, you know, well, you can't tell your kids what to do, no conversations with their kids. They didn't, it's like they didn't have a they they and the thing is they were robbed of a father. It's like we've lost what it means to be a man, and I'm telling you, we can fix everything if men just act like Christ in the world, act like Christ in the world, every every conversation you have, every single person you talk to, be Christ in that world. And look, this is a set of a contest priests, like that's why I said, like, I don't I I'm talking about the online guys. I don't know. Um I don't know where you go to church. If you go to an SSPX chapel, if you go to a set A chapel, I don't care. Telling you guys, live your Catholic faith out. Don't worry about the stuff in Rome, don't worry about anything, worry about being a saint. It is the only freaking thing that actually matters, it's the only thing that's gonna save you and the people you love around you. You're a spiritual father to every person you encounter. Nick, you brought your aren't you bringing your parents into the church?

SPEAKER_00 35:11

No, they're they're they're not the world's most enthusiastic about being Catholic because I think that every single group outside the Catholic Church um can kind of see the problems inside the Catholic Church and they're asking good questions.

SPEAKER_03 35:23

So, you know what would change their mind? I do know what would change their mind. You know what the greatest argument for anything is? Like the only the only convincing argument to me is sanctity. Like the the real proof of Catholicism is the saints.

SPEAKER_00 35:38

Oh, I I I would say that that's a good argument. The issue that I find is that um, aside from just again, like my initial question still stands.

SPEAKER_03 35:46

My initial question that I that I posed at the beginning of how can the church be doing what she's doing uh whenever she teaches because we're at the end of the world, Nick, and you can think we're not, but we are. We're at the end of the freaking story right now, Nick, and there's no other explanation. None of them.

SPEAKER_05 36:03

There's lots of other explanations.

SPEAKER_03 36:04

No, there isn't. Not from what we're seeing.

SPEAKER_00 36:07

You know, it's interesting as I as I ponder that section of the catechism that you brought up. Again, it's kind of like, well, you know, so you talk about a messianic uh religion, I think that's the quotation or something like that. There's like a new messianism.

SPEAKER_03 36:21

Think about what that is. That's a that's a false messiah that mimics Christ, right? So it's like so it's like God is all mercy. Oh, he doesn't care what you do, he's all mercy. Everyone goes to heaven. Yeah, that's like pseudo-messianism.

SPEAKER_00 36:36

My question, though, is that uh I don't know how you can, on the one hand, like and I'm just speaking generally, I'm just like trying to process it in my mind. I don't know on the one hand how like you can hold that position, but then also at the same time make the statement that it's like the same church that teaches you this statement in the catechism is also gonna be the same church that persecutes Christ at the end of time.

SPEAKER_03 36:58

The same men that sat on the seat of Moses are the same men that persecuted Christ the first time. There's going to be bad men in the hierarchy. There's going to be evil, wicked men in the hierarchy that persecute the faithful, just like the Dan Hedron did.

SPEAKER_00 37:15

But my question That's why I go to my original question, which is again striking at the core of the doctrinal changes, which is like says, which the Catholic Church has historically said is an impossibility.

Nick’s Four Options And Pushback

SPEAKER_03 37:29

Okay, I mean you want to be you you're you're looking to get so then go set a Nick. See how happy I am. I'm trying to help you here because I'm trying to give you how this actually works. There's only one way it works for me. And if I'm wrong, great. You think I want the world to end? I know I here's what I know I have eternal life in me now because I have a joy that is beyond this world in my life. Maybe not on the show when I'm ranting, but like in my day-to-day life, I cannot tell you. Like, I sometimes I feel like my heart's going to explode because of the amount of love that God has put around me. And you anybody can have that. Like, go, like I don't it just you you look and see what is happening in the world right now, and people, people like what it's literally all everything is lining up right now. I don't, I don't, I don't know. I don't know how I don't know how anybody comes to any other conclusion. Like, I really don't know how anybody comes to any other conclusion. It's we are coming up on so many different things, co like coalescing at one point. What they're doing in Israel right now is did you watch Tucker's thing today with that with the Christian from Israel talking about what they do to Christians in Palestine? You have no idea what what they're doing over there. Yes, I do. Yeah, it it's so insane. And you go back and you just read Genesis and read the promises to Abraham. I will I will give the nations as your inheritance. What they are doing over there is trying to take imagine the old testament without Christ fulfilling the promises, they are trying to fulfill the scriptures carnally right now. It is happening right now in our lifetime. God chose us to live during this time. Do you know how many saints wrote about our time? Like we're really not worthy to live in this time, but God chose us to live in this time. So we could get on the internet and we can complain about everything, or we can share God's love with people and try to make saints. I don't I don't know what I don't know, I don't have any other answer for you. I don't have any other answer for you because that is the only that is how I see it, and I know the story of Christianity. I have read through the scriptures my whole freaking adulthood. I've read through them and I know where we are in the story. And the people that don't think that's where we are in the story, I don't know what story you're reading. I actually don't think you believe the story. We're talking about the great apostasy that was foretold, the great falling away. Like, what how do you not see it?

SPEAKER_05 40:16

I mean, there's been plenty of people who thought they've seen it in the past, too. And so okay, they've all been wrong.

SPEAKER_03 40:21

Okay, so be angry, be bitter. I hope I'm wrong. The two aren't the two aren't necessarily connected. I hope I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong, but even if I'm wrong, my position makes sense of it, and I'm able to actually live a Catholic life because it seems like a lot of Trads can't live a Catholic life because all they're worried about is what the Pope is doing. Oh my goodness, why he's not in your why? Why are you worried about what the Pope is doing? I don't I know it's not helping your spiritual life, is all I'm telling you guys. There are some people that can handle it, but some people can't, and if you're one of those people that can't, then don't do it because really what's important is your soul. And if you're one of those guys, if you're a Michael Hitchborn and you could dig into this stuff and you still have that, like that's different. But I I think a lot of people have a hard time with this stuff and they obsess on it, and they need they like Nick, your your brain needs like a perfect answer for something, and this is where faith comes in, and you have to just trust Christ in his promise when he said the gates of hell will not prevail, he promised us that. You either believe Christ's promise or you don't, because you're on the verge right now of either going set of a contest, which I'm telling you, I don't I don't think you'll handle that well. I don't think that'll be good for you. I don't want to be excited, or you could lose your faith, Nick. I'm telling you, this stuff is dangerous, and even presenting that question to people is it I'm not saying like that that you can't bring forth the, but I'm just asking you when you when you became Catholic, like what what were you expecting?

SPEAKER_00 41:59

I think like many converts, converts are of course converted for a plethora of reasons, but there's plenty of converts who are converted with the claim that this is the one true church founded by Jesus Christ, who preserves their teaching, faithful and unblemished and unchanging for 2,000 years. I think that's a simple, a simple convert uh pitch that's given up.

Detachment From Online Outrage

SPEAKER_03 42:20

Yeah, I mean, that was part of my part of my reversion was like, oh my goodness, the church stood tall on contraception and nobody else did, right? I understand that. I mean, I could get the whiteboard out and I could show you how technically the thing hasn't changed. Like, I don't think the hierarchy or the church is asking any of us to do anything that will like they're not, they're not, there's no doctrine they have changed. Like, even if they're doing uh a Morse Letitizia, it's like that priest that blesses a gay, that he's going to hell, but you're not gay, that doesn't affect you. They can't they can't require the faithful to do something that will send them to hell. No way, Nick. If the if the if there was no promise from Christ right now, we would have what the Anglican church has. The church would look just like the Anglican church. You'd have women, you'd have women bishops, you'd have women priests. That's that's that's that's where I that's what I mean. I don't I don't know. This is this is like I I'm not I'm not saying this to rag on you at all, Nick. Like I'm I'm not and I hope you don't take this like personally like that. Like I'm um I I want anyone who listens to this show to have a joyful, meaningful, fulfilling life. And the way to do that is still the Catholic faith and the Catholic sacraments in the church. I go sometimes I'll go to a novus ordo, and I still have and I and I'm still able to avoid mortal sin. It's been years since I've had to go to confession, other than like missing mass on it, you know, or something like that. But the real ones. I struggle with my whole life. I have not, it's been years, and it's nothing but the grace of God can explain that. And the grace that is given through the sacraments. And if you yeah, if you upset if you listen to these these men, yeah, that's it's probably it's not it's not real Catholicism, I'll tell you that. You listen to Cardinal Supers, that's not real Catholicism. It's a pseudo-messianism, don't follow those men. But I promise you, there are still really good priests out there who love the Catholic faith, who will guard your soul, and those are the men you need to look for right now. Those are the men you need to have in your life right now that really care about you and really want to make sure that you are going to have life with God forever. Like God is our father, He wants He wants to spend eternity with you. You have to want to spend eternity with Him. If if you fall back on anything, just fall back on the sacraments and fall back on Christ. Like go back and just just read the words of Christ, they will literally feed life into your soul. It's uh I yeah, Nick, I don't I'm not I'm not like I'm not saying this just to you. That's why it's like I didn't I don't want you to think I'm like being harsh on you. It this is to all that all of us. I'm I'm including myself in it, because me and Rob did this stuff for years. We would point pinpoint every little thing, and I'm I'm only giving you I'm only giving you guys advice that I've seen flourish in my own life. I've seen this in my own life because I used to, I uh like your fears are a hundred percent reasonable. It's a it's the anger you feel is 100% holy anger. You have a right to be angry, you have a right to be confused, you have a right to be all the feelings you have are totally justified. I'm trying to give you guys an avenue to get away from them because they're not helpful to some people, and some people can handle them. Some people I had to stop watching Anthony Stein in the morning. It was just, it was like it was it was putting a darkness in my soul and it was affecting my my my my relationships because I was just constantly worried. My children, I can never talk to my kids about like the apocalyptic stuff. I never have ever like really shared the problems in the church with my kids because I want I just want my kids to experience like the unadulterated Catholic faith. I don't want them to know about all the my kids will like they'll never be able to handle that, and that's kind of our responsibility and the people that we have in our lives, like with your parents, too, man. Like show them the glory of you of what a sacramental life looks like because there's nothing better than living a sacramental life. It's like what the gift God has given us with the priesthood to forgive our sins and to give us his very life itself every Sunday at Mass. I'm telling you guys, we have the Pearl of Great Price, and I don't I don't want anybody getting dragged into the to the muck and letting it destroy your soul because you guys like you have your soul is this ball of light that needs to shine to the world, man. I can't I cannot tell you guys how many people my freaking life has affected. Like it blows my mind sometimes how many, and not from the show, even like the show is on a whole nother level. The the men that I'm taking on this pilgrimage, you don't understand how excited these men are to spend time with me and and the priest that's coming with us. Like it's just this is this is the way forward because the way we've done things under Francis doesn't work. Like, I want to bring people to traditional Catholicism. I want people to see how beautiful a traditional mass is and this treasure that we lost. And the only way they're gonna see it is if they see a complete change in the way all of us operate. I don't know if you guys want to give me any pushback or anything on that, you know.

SPEAKER_06 48:09

It's I just I just don't know how what of the last 48 minutes you will want to get. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_03 48:15

I know I got on my soapbox tonight.

SPEAKER_04 48:19

I know I got on my soapbox tonight.

SPEAKER_06 48:28

So how's that going, everyone? Mine is beautiful so far. Like, I'm not even kidding.

SPEAKER_03 48:35

48 minutes. I love you, man. Nick, you don't under you don't understand how much I love you, Nick. When I saw you put that video out yesterday, my heart.

SPEAKER_06 48:41

If I hear the phrase you don't understand one more time, and I'm sorry. Muting you the rest of the night.

Community, Men’s Groups, And Real Friendship

SPEAKER_00 48:52

All right, cool. My my lint's uh 48 hours in, so are we even 48 hours in take it back? We're something hours in, so kind of chill. Um well, when I stop talking, you can't get mad at me for ranting, but when I stop talking, um yeah, I I just uh I mean I mean if if people want me to respond, it's like I mean, I I of course appreciate Anthony's perspective. Um I think Anthony's perspective comes from a good per good point of view and a good place. I mean, he's desiring for people to be holy, he's desiring for people to seek after Christ, and he's wanting that um grace-filled life to be something that shines forward and converts other people. I think that that's of course a completely valid thing. Um, and I'm not and I'm not opposed to that. One thing that I've tried to tell people in my kind of um rough journey has been I'm not wanting to make definitive claims and say that I am leaving the church or you should leave the church. I've always told them that I want to be realistic and say, look, my intellect, like many people's, is darkened. I have pride, and I want to be humble and recognize that there are people who are way smarter than me, way holier than me, that might have good answers. Here are the questions that I have, and I just hope that people can address them. Um, because you know, Galatians talks about Galatians 6, one talks about how if you know a brother falls, kind of like a lot of people were accusing me of yesterday, you know, you're supposed to restore him in meekness. So in you know, kindness and and uh try to help them along the way. And so that's all I'm kind of trying to seek is answers to my questions. I'll pull a Candace Owens and say I'm just asking questions.

SPEAKER_03 50:35

No, and they're valid questions, you have every right to. And like here's the thing though there's something about our faith that is a mystery, and it's always been a mystery, like there's something mysterious about our faith, and it's not always like you don't understand how prophecy is fulfilled until answer is fulfilled, and there's going to seem I I see it like it is the reason Christ gave us that promise that the gates of hell will not prevail is because it will look like the gates of hell have prevailed. It is going to look as and you all you have is the word of God, the word of God Himself, his promise, his word that the gates of hell won't prevail. And I believe with all my heart that he will not break that promise to us. So I understand the the intellectual incongruity of it all. I'm not denying that. I have the Nick, I have the same exact questions. Like I look at it and I'm like, what the hell happened at the council? Something happened at the council, something happened. Every single one of us that really believe the faith wish they didn't do what they did. Like the people that hate tradition, like you have to understand. It's like it, it's like even the even the man, if you get into the into the Israel thing. Oh, I knew it. If you get if you get into it, like the idea that Catholics can support Israel, you have to understand these the spirit that we're talking about. Like you to go back to the Sanhedrin. What was the Sanhedrin? They hated God. Like people want people want to treat them like they're like we're dealing with, and I don't want this to arouse any kind of like it's not everyone, it's the the it's the elite who are in power pushing the crazy stuff at the top. I'll leave it at that because I don't want anybody to mistake me saying like every every person or anything, it's nothing like that. But the elite who are in power pushing to expand the borders of Israel, what they are doing is trying to bring back the Davidic kingdom. They they see the promises of the old testament and they created their own God. And Jesus literally said to these men, Your father is the devil. That is what you're doing. When you see these bishops who hate tradition, it's the same thing. They hate the Catholic faith, they hate it, they want this nonsense. Oh, God forgives everybody, everybody goes to heaven. Don't follow those men. But we all we all know the Catholic faith. We all know the Catholic faith. It's available to every one of us. We live in a time where it's accessible to every single one of us, so and you know what's true and what's not, because the church did teach it for 2,000 years. So when you see one of these men in the hierarchy contradict it, you can disregard what they say. You can warn people, you can tell people, hey, this is this is off. But you can't let it affect your soul. You can't let and and if and if you are one of those people, I don't mean you, like if anybody out there is one of those people, if this stuff is getting you down, get away from it. It does not lead to life, don't consume it. Like, renew your mind, fill yourself with things that like like go walk in the spirit, guys. Stop stop living in carnal things, stop walking in the spirit. Rob is disassociating.

SPEAKER_06 54:10

You know, ant really did get more bitter after the coy incident.

SPEAKER_03 54:15

You know something though? Like, I know Rob rolls his eyes at me a lot and stuff, but I know he agrees with me. Maybe not about the end of the world stuff, not about the end of the world, not about the end of the world stuff, but the other stuff. I know because Rob and I have conversations off air, and the two of us talk about this stuff a lot and and the importance of and it and the conversations he and I had about getting away from certain topics because it was bad for both of us, and you have to know yourself. It really does come down to that. You have to know yourself. Like, I can take things in small doses now and stuff. No, I'm literally quoting St. Paul, so I don't know what to tell you guys.

SPEAKER_04 54:49

Like it's looking for backup right now. Oh man.

SPEAKER_03 55:03

Um, all right. I I would like to uh I'm I think we're gonna end it there. We're gonna end it there. There's not much to do. We can go through super chats real quick.

SPEAKER_06 55:13

55 minutes of you of you talking like ah, we're done for the night, guys.

SPEAKER_03 55:18

I mean, if you guys want to say stuff, say away. Feed Nick funds. All right, we gotta give Nick five bucks. I'm not in give it up at this point, Nick. Uh let's see. Bobby said, Don't join them in apostasy, just in the opposite direction. The faithlessness of dying gay old men is not the reason to abandon Christ. I don't think Nick is abandoning the church, guys. Like that, like he was very clear about that. I think he was just he was just venting a little bit. And I don't want to like, I know what you were doing there, Nick. Like you were just being honest and like opening yourself up, and people took it like you're having this crisis of faith. I don't think that's what was going on with Nick. Nick was just being honest, and I and he was he was describing something every one of us feel like there's nothing wrong with what Nick said. Like every one of us can feel that way. I wasn't trying to say there's something wrong with how with feeling that way. I'm just trying to, I'm just trying to uh tell you what worked for me. That's all. Uh uh and the things that worked for me really did work for me. Praying for you, Nick. I definitely recommend reading Sheevan's Mysteries of Christianity for Lent, great spiritual depth and theological rigor.

SPEAKER_00 56:26

Yeah, you had a good debate uh on Redeem Zuma's channel recently, so congratulations.

SPEAKER_03 56:32

Um, eight minutes behind, but Anne's cooking tonight. I know some of you enjoyed it, I know some of you hated it. Become detached from yourself and your desires and attach yourself to God's will. Sometimes it's not so obvious andor easy to follow, but it's perfect. St. Francis de Tales made me realize that. So the other thing is look, there's the intellectual knowledge. Every one of us know to be Catholic means to suffer, right? We all know that as Catholics. Like Christ came through this, Christ came to redeem our suffering. Like our suffering is how we participate in salvation. We all know that intellectually, and then all of a sudden, some suffering comes our way, and we're like, nah, but I don't like this suffering. I don't like this suffering. Of course, you don't like this suffering. But this is the one God gave us, and he gave it to us so that we can become Christ. Like you the divinization is the point. How does Christ react when he's being persecuted? You're going to be persecuted. You just didn't think it would come from your hierarchy. You thought it was going to come from the outside, and you were comfortable with that. Like, that's what we all thought. Every one of us, I thought it too. I thought, okay, you know, we'll go through persecution, but at least the pope will have our back. And then we realize, wait a minute, the pope's the one doing it. It's like, okay, reset. Let's figure it out. We've seen this story before, is all I'm telling you guys. Literally, have seen this story before. Like any of you who love typology, you're watching a typological fulfillment right now. What are the doctrinal changes? I'm not aware of any doctrinal changes. I'm confused about that. Do you know, Nick? Actual doctrinal changes.

SPEAKER_00 58:14

Yeah, I mean, the what I mean, again, some of them are disputed at infinitum on on YouTube and publication, but the death penalty, religious liberty, ecumenism, things along that nature.

SPEAKER_03 58:25

Yeah, I mean, the things the look, the SSPX, maybe we'll do the SSPX letter on the other side because I it's a really interesting letter. Um, no. All right, so we don't have to.

SPEAKER_00 58:36

On a slight, on a slight question I have for Rob, can you brandish a knife but not a firearm on YouTube and get away with it? Yes. Interesting.

SPEAKER_06 58:45

Yeah, they're they're there new live streaming rules around firearms. If a firearm is showing on camera during a live streaming without you being out of range, they kill the stream within seconds. They do it so that people don't commit certain things on camera.

SPEAKER_00 59:04

But you can like bring a sword or a buoy knife and then no one does anything. I guess so. Yeah, that's so funny.

SPEAKER_03 59:10

Um, yeah, I don't want anybody to think I think Nick was wrong in his video. Like all the things Nick brought up are legitimate. Like, I'm not saying anything about that. Um that's not that's not my point. My point my point is actually like like the the the I'm I'm I'm really talking to the men, like I like I'm I I can't tell you guys how important it is for you to be men and suffer with a stoicism.

SPEAKER_06 59:48

And no is kind of condemned by the church, man.

SPEAKER_03 59:55

You you know it's a stoic, a stoic face. Like you you do you can't you we have to not complain, like we have to suffer joyfully. Like if if you go back and read Saint Paul, like no matter what might no matter what circumstances are in life, I'm joyful. No matter what, if I'm shipwrecked out at sea, I'm joyful. If I'm being lashed with 40 lashes, I'm joyful. I think a lot of Catholics really need to go back and read the epistles, man. Like go back and read Saint Paul, go back and read the gospels. I I I don't think enough of us, I don't think we spend nearly enough time in them. And our faith is not meant to be exclusively an intellectual pursuit. If you have all if all you have is good apologetics, you stumble like this when you don't have an answer. Grace is in the sacraments, not not in knowing more. Yeah, I mean, look, I think I think a lot of the, especially converts, are gonna struggle with this because they came in because they found all of these intellectual problems in Protestantism and they thought they had the cure in Catholicism. And when they come into the church, they find that what's happening in the situation right now is a huge crisis, and it's a difficult one to manage because you're you're finding yourself in a in the Catholic Church, but the hierarchy's acting Protestant, and they're trying to make the church Protestant, but faithless hierarchy have are nothing new. What's new is the amount and the levels of height that they've gotten to. And I'm not like I said, I'm not giving you guys an answer to that. I'm I I just see where we are and what it looks like we're coming up on, and what it looks like we're coming up on is the is the end of the story. I don't know how long that takes, could be a decade, but it's like it's been 60 years it's been going on. It could be another 40 years. I don't know, I don't know what it is, but I mean, come on, and that's how you get away with it. Well, no, because I really don't think it's like by the end of Trump's presidency, we see the world at war. I think that we look at the Fatima prophecies and they all talk about. I mean, they I I do think that we don't know what the uh the the the reign of Mary's Immaculate Heart looks like. I don't you know I don't know how that plays out. I don't know the details of how it plays out, I don't think anybody does, but I do know what I'm seeing, and I do know that we're at the end of the story.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:26

I just want you to know when you're 85 and on your deathbed, I'm gonna push your wife out of the way and make sure the last words you hear are me saying, I was right, I told you so.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:38

Rob, I will be like, Thank God you were right. God gave me another no, no, you're gonna you're gonna give me another 40 years to annoy you. I will be thrilled. 40 more years of Rob dealing with that. We'll be old men. You gotta understand, you gotta understand. You don't understand, man. I don't know what to tell you. Are you talking about a recent council since Pope Leo? What happened? What doctrine changed? I don't think this doctrine could change. How is that going to affect the LM? What's the LM? Probably last month. Oh, I'm so confused right now.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:17

Yeah, no, uh, no councils taking place unless uh I was really out of it and everyone else was.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:24

Nick's point is that the church is doing things that she has previously said she is metaphysically incapable of doing, saying, Well, it's the end times, doesn't solve the problems. I think it I think it doesn't solve the problem, it explains it. Like you're you're it you're looking at uh the hospital closed, empty Antima's rapture. That's funny. Oh man. Um, no, I I think if if you actually understand how the story played out of Christ's first coming, people didn't understand it then. Does the you read last week's gospel, and it was the the disciples. If you if you go to the Latin mass last week, you go and the disciples, Jesus tells them the but the the Christ is going to be handed over, delivered, suffer, per uh be killed, and rise in three days. And they understood these words not. It's like he literally told you what's gonna happen. They did not understand these words. The church literally told us what's gonna happen. I don't understand how this is happening. What do you mean? This is literally how it always works. I don't see how it's actually I I actually think it's baffling that you guys don't see it the way I do. I don't I don't see how you could see the things you're saying and not think it's apocalyptic. Like, how do you how does that how does that work in your brain? How do you say the church for 2,000 years taught this and now it does this? But there's gonna be a reformation? Like, what you think this thing gets fixed on a human level? Like, you really think it gets fixed on a human level? Do you have any idea how bad it really is? I don't think you do. I don't think you really understand the rock. I don't think I don't know. I get you guys think I'm wrong. Think I'm wrong. All I'm telling you is if you think I'm wrong, and when things get way worse, it's gonna be very difficult. Here's the real thing if you do not have a deep devotion to our lady, you won't make it when the sack when the mass stops. Because we're going to be led into the desert by our lady. The the the in Revelation 12, she's crying out with hunger pangs as she takes us out into the desert. All you are going to have is your relationship with our lady, and if you don't have a deep devotion to her, you're going to be in deep trouble. And if you are, if you haven't rooted mortal sin out of your life, I can't I can't stress this enough because like it's so easy to be on your phone. And I see I see all these Catholic accounts on X going, tell X to ban porn. And it's like, if you're seeing that in your algorithm, that's because you're searching. I was gonna say I've never understood. I've never seen that once I've never seen it because I don't look at that field. So if you're writing X needs to ban porn, it's because you're looking for it and it's coming up in your algorithm. So you're telling on yourself. There is a huge difference suffering the trials of the church when you have a wife and children than facing this alone. Yeah, you know how much scarier it is when you have a wife and children. The things I'm talking about, you know, you know, that's the only thing that scares me because I'm not afraid to suffer martyrdom myself. I'm afraid they're gonna make me watch my children be martyred. You single guys don't know the grace you could possibly have. I don't want anybody to because I'm not like it's terrible to be lonely and single, but I'm what I'm telling you guys that are lonely and single, if you if you just listen to me, maybe you won't be.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:48

Like it's being single is not all that bad. You have more money in the wallet.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:56

If me and if me and Rob found wives, I would buy more guns than I do now, and that's just over. I mean, when we had Father Amato on the other night, I said, like, there are good things about marriage and there are good things about the priesthood, but I know a lot of men that are in marriages that are miserable, and those are the men too that I want to talk to because it's like I my like if you guys knew how bad my marriage was at one point and how good it is now, the things I'm telling you are the reason my marriage is good now. Like my wife used to nag me, she used to be a naggy feminist, not a feminist, but like she used to be a nag because there was something wrong with me, and then once I fixed myself, I can't tell you the way she looks at me now, man. It's like I I just I just I'm I I don't want to let you guys down. I'm not putting on a front when I talk about this stuff, I'm not faking it, I'm not lying to you. You're not gonna like I'm I'm being dead serious with you guys about this stuff. It's the most important stuff that we talk about on this show. But we are coming to a close. Nick, do you want to jump on locals with us or you gotta go?

SPEAKER_00 1:08:11

I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go and uh catch dinner and all of that, but uh, I do appreciate your uh your uh impassioned homily. I'm definitely looking at it.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:22

It's Lent. I told everybody we're talking about spiritual things during Lent.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:25

I'll definitely uh yeah, take what you think. There was no we talking, there was you talking.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:33

I should I had my brother-in-law said to me, He goes, uh, we were talking at my wife's uh families like last time we were with them, and he and we were like, they ask me questions. I never bring it up, they always ask me questions, and they were talking about all this stuff, and my brother-in-law was just like, Why didn't you become a priest? I'm like, I am a priest, I am literally a priest. I'm just married and I don't know, I don't offer sacraments or the confession, but like I am a priest, like that. I I see my role as a priest, and I and I care for people as if I am their spiritual father. Everybody in my life, everybody in my life, I chalk and treat like that. Like I am their spiritual father, and I care for their soul, even the people that are difficult. And if you do that, like it brings such meaning to your life. I can't express it enough. Like, you will find yourself. You gotta be careful with that though. I know you don't have the authority with most people, eh? I don't mean like that, Rob. I mean just caring about them. I don't mean like giving them spirit, like oh, this is what you need. I don't do that.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:30

I just well you did you did just do it for an hour.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:33

No, Rob, the way I do it is very much in my lane. I'm not I'm not I don't have authority over them like that, anything like that. It's it's loving people because they're God's children, like like caring about them and trying to love them the way Christ loves them. There is a domestic priest that is very different from the mar from the celibate priesthood. And no, there are married priests. There are there are uh you know the ordinary guys and eastern priests, eastern Catholic priests. Um Anthony citing correctly with Vatican II taught all the baptized are priests, prophet, and king. But yes, we laity are not ministerials, as we don't priests, 100%. It wasn't just Vatican II that taught that, by the way, it was Saint Peter.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:30

Oh, the sponsors are long gone, guys. There's no point in doing it now, I think. Nah, let's do Nick Macs. I know after that hour, I need one or two. Nick Mac is about halfway through without thinking I had a knick knack in it, without thinking something, and I I I did it and chewed it in my while I had the camera off.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:54

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SPEAKER_06 1:11:28

No, for New Year's. I used it to stop myself from starting smoking from listening to Ant.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:36

Oh man. Okay, you guys are gonna you guys are gonna miss me when I'm gone. That's all I'll tell you.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:41

Of course you will, Anthony. You guys are gonna miss me when I'm gone. I meant that. Of course you will.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:47

You're gonna miss me when I'm gone. Well, I would like to have you on more frequently, Nick. Is that are you cool with that? Well, I won't, I won't do one of these next time you come on. We'll just we'll just have you come off like a topic. I will mute him next time. No, but I want I want to bring you back into the fold. Have you come come back? We'll have actual subjects to talk about, maybe. Yeah, when we have like you know, we'll we'll we'll we'll we'll try to pick a trent horn video and we'll goof on him. Yeah, trend horn. Honestly, you know what? I'll do it now. You guys want me to do the trend horn rant? Because I got a trend horn rant.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:17

No, no, no, no. Make people pay for locals for that.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:20

I got a Trent Horn rant. Make Trent pay for locals because I know he's watching. All right, Nick, we'll go to locals and we'll save the Trent Horn rant for you. No, I don't know. I might do it over there, but uh, yeah, I'll probably do it on locals and then we'll we'll we'll find something good for Nick to come back on soon. Um, Nick, we're all praying for you. Pray for me. Uh all all anybody else that's struggling with the same issues that Nick and myself and Rob, because don't think Rob and me and everybody else aren't struggling with the same exact things Nick is.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:55

Maybe if we had had a chance to talk about that, we could have discussed that a little. Could have muted me.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:04

Um uh call-in show is next, not next Thursday, the third the Thursday at the March 5th call-in show with Joshua Charles. Joshua Charles is coming on March Thursday, March 5th for a call-in show. And we're gonna stream it to our channel and eternal Christendom. So that we have that to look forward to. Um, Trent, uh, I'll I'm I mean, man, just him even elevating that kid Taco Talks is so disgusting, in my opinion. He'll he'll he'll have Taco Talks on, but he won't have Christian Wagner on. It's like it's actually gross. That kid, that kid Taco Talks, all he does is blaspheme our lady in the most vile ways. And Trent will have him on, but he's never mentioned our names. God forbid he mentions our name. Or have Wagner on or Nick Cabazzo's. All right. Yeah, he's the worst. All right. Um, Rob has a really special outro video right now, and you guys should watch the whole thing because it's basically all the recurring guests of Avoiding Babylon make a make a make a cameo in it. So Nick, we'll uh we'll set something up and we'll get you on soon.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:19

Yeah, sounds good. God bless everybody. Take care. Adios. Where's the video? There it is.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:47

Here is this place to light its three beats. Now is the darkness that is the way. Brought here to you in the light of this day. We sell it.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:26

Yeah. A video after that hour, I don't know. I think we could have done that all exact same thing without Nick literally on the show with us.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:41

It kind of made sense to have him though though, and I wanted him to hear it.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:45

I know, but it did kind of- I wanted him to hear it, Rob.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:48

Like the the the You could have just told him to watch the video afterward. I didn't want him to think I was talking about him behind his back. I wanted to address him like a man, and because the the complaining on the internet thing is not I'm not worried about him scandalizing people. I'm worried about the what he what he's putting out into the world. Like he he's he's revealing too much of his heart, and it's like the the vultures out there are gonna attack like they're just vultures out there, and uh, it's like you gotta kind of keep that stuff guarded, you know. It's the thing, it's this the I don't know. It's I and I and I I want him I want him to meet a woman, and I think that doing stuff like that it makes it challenging. Like I think that behavior needs to stop in men in general, not not just Nick, like in general, the you know, the the whole idea of like sharing your feelings and stuff like men, knock it off, stop sharing your feelings.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:55

Don't tell anyone, take him to your grave.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:57

Yeah, take it to your grave, suffer in silence. I don't know what to tell you. No one cares anyway, so well the thing is I did, I I hope he received it as love. I don't I just don't know how um I don't know if Nick's ever had I don't I don't know. I don't I don't know. I know I know I grew up without like a spiritual father to do that to me. Anything everything I said there is out of love. It's uh everything I said there is wanting wanting him to to to see that like he doesn't need like he's a new convert, he shouldn't be making content. He honestly shouldn't. He should he should just be living a catholic life.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:41

I know he has this intellectual rigor that he's trying to work through and stuff, but the some of the stuff that he's doing should be done in a men's group, you know, and unlike be be be be like Rob, hold your feelings in no the thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:13

It's not that you can't it's not that you can't have feelings, it's that you don't want to let people know your weaknesses, really, you know.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:24

Um it's like their name, especially if their name is Milo.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:29

Yeah, right, it'll come and get you. But it's more it's really like not letting people see your weakness. Like, don't let people know you're struggling in your faith. You you don't, you don't because people will attack you and they'll say, like the the Setis will like he never had faith to begin with, and nobody's normal. It's like they're just gonna do that to you. So don't don't reveal your weakness to to to strangers. It's different if it's uh a close confidant or something like that. Like, you know, like I'll I'll share things with Rob, but I'm not going to share them on the YouTube side.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:58

I've shared things with you guys that I won't share on the YouTube side, and I've shared nothing and never will.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:05

Yeah, I think you should, man, because you have some you have some valuable insights into especially the things me and you've been talking about recently. Yeah, I know, but that's up to you. I know you're more guarded than I am, but like I I think you sharing it is helpful to people, but it's that's totally up to you. I don't ever want to pressure you to say something that you're not comfortable with, but it's uh especially on like uh I I've told you guys the story. Oh man, my wife might watch the locals now. She's been answering for the locals thing. I can't tell that one again. Again. I've told it before. Um the one one of the most important things that happened in my life was when my wife's grandfather died. He left how many how many people we got in here?

SPEAKER_06 1:21:58

Holy cow, one yeah, we have uh way more than you should probably share too.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:01

I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you guys this is a locals only story. Like I just because I don't I don't want I can't have my in-laws ever find it out. Like it's that I shared it, just that it's a you know it's a personal story. This is gonna stay on local, so I'm trusting you guys.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:14

Your in-laws you've you shared the show with your in-laws, like not the local side though.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:19

That's why I do love that we have the protected local side that I can.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:22

Yeah, but you know they can go back through locals if they ever join.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:26

Okay, I'm just lucky to catch fire. I'm I think we're in the clear. Um, so when my when my wife's grandfather died, he left two million dollars to my sister-in-law and nothing to my wife or her other sister, and that was one of the most difficult things I have ever had to endure because it broke my wife in a way that you guys can't imagine. Like it broke my wife, she was just hurt, and uh she had a she had the same relationship with her grandfather that her sister did. It broke her, and then to see my sister-in-law go and buy a house and had a new Mercedes and it dealing with issues of envy and and like I I like to this day, I will say that God gave that, like did this as a grace in my life because it taught me to be happy for someone that you really like would never want to be happy for, and it's it taught me because I can't tell you how much envy was boiling up in me. I didn't just want, I wasn't just mad that my wife didn't get money. I was like, I hope she spends it all in two years and ends like I wished bad on my sister, and it wasn't my sister-in-law's fault at all. She did she did nothing wrong, and it's like you you see you see that happening, and you're like trying to freaking barely get by, just got married. And learning to be happy for my sister-in-law because I saw the poison it put in my soul, and not just that, teaching my wife that it was the first time. This is when this whole experience began for me because I could have fed into that on my wife, and I could have been like, I can't believe your father did this, I can't believe your grandfather did that, I can't believe your sister did it. I could have fed into that because that was what I felt in my heart. I felt anger, and I was rotten. But, dude, when I tell you my soul was like filthy with envy, and I just like I had such a powerful experience in prayer with God where he just showed me the ugliness in my heart, and I did everything I could to get my wife through that. And when me and my wife look back on that, we're both like, thank God that happened. First off, her sister needed the money more. Like the guy she married was like a cook in a restaurant at the time, he didn't have a good job yet. Like they needed the money more than we did, and just the spiritual lesson we learned through it. It just is what began my journey with God in a deeper way because I saw real hatred in my heart. It's the lesson that, like, when when these things happen to you, you either go to God in them or you end up in hell. And I've seen people end up in hell from it. I've seen people in this during that time, me and my wife kept her family together because there was gonna be a war, and money breaks families up all the time. Like, money is what breaks families up, especially inheritance stuff. You see inheritance stuff go down, and it's like this one's angry at this one, and it's like me and my wife kept that family together through that time. And I I have no doubt in my mind that it was God that kept that family together through us. We need to hear Rob's story, not honey. Not honey is on the three-year cycle of telling stories. Not Anthony. We need to hear Rob's story, Anthony is on a three-year cycle of telling stories. That's supposed to say.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:36

You guys think it's a three-year cycle? No, he's got the TLM one-year cycle of his stories.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:43

Look, we all know, we all think, so somebody said there's no way I wouldn't split it up even with my brothers. We all think we would. We all think we would. I said the same thing. If my wife was given that money, we'd have split it evenly. You don't know what you would do in that situation because it's a it's a temptation from the devil. It really is, and money is a big one, and I'm telling you, that's why like uh I don't I don't play games with money. Like that's what the hell thing with the Super Bowl thing was about, and I don't you just don't play games with that stuff because it really does poison your soul.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:17

Boy, someone should have told uh flamingo minus that.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:26

You guys don't think Nick will come back? I do. No, to be honest, I would hold it like Ebonese or Screwed. Ocean wants to colon so bad. Um meanwhile, I'm waiting for the Hey, did you get your lobster by the way? No, you got yours? I got mine today. Did you? Yeah. Can we send some to Taffy? I'll pay for it.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:54

Oh, we we can Taffy I'll I'll I'll I'll use the LLC debit card to pay for it.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:02

Yeah, yeah. Do that. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:03

Should we get them a box of like we've been getting?

SPEAKER_03 1:28:06

Yeah, yeah. Same box we got, send that to Taffy.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:08

Taff uh tell send us your address on Telegram.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:14

Joe Enders. I did want to talk about that.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:17

Oh man. Gently, kindly.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:19

I got a lot to say, but none of us gonna make friends. No, no, stop it. I'm gonna say this about Joe Enders, though. Like, I feel bad he lost his job. But he's acting like he's shocked. And I'm like, what? Like what? You work for a freaking diocese and you're going on Gordon's show doing a show about Zionism and talking about the like what? Come on. Like, how are you going to act like, oh, they took my livelihood away? How dare they? It's like, dude, you don't get to do that. You don't get to play that game. Like, if you want to step into this arena, I respect it.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:56

Do not get to pretend you're mad when you get the exact reaction your trolling was meant to get. Come on.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:01

It's look, I'm I want people to support him and stuff. Like the guy did lose his job. I'm not saying any of that. I I tweeted out the link, but I don't I don't even care about that. It's it's look, you want to step into this arena, there are certain consequences to it, and you have to be willing to endure the rob knows that he could face consequences for it. He's not gonna go, well, I lost my job. No, we're gonna figure it out, and we're gonna we're gonna do something else, and we'll figure it out. Rob's always very careful about what he says. If you notice, I try not to speak. I mean, it's I don't know, my stupid partner, you know. We're hoping that'll work.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:36

Crazy Italian guy. What do you want me to do?

SPEAKER_03 1:29:38

Yeah, Rob works the dispensationalists, like we know the game we're playing here, and I'm very careful about how I speak about that subject. I never talk about like individual Jews or anything, I talk about the story. But to go on to Tim Gordon show and discussing a very popular subject, and you work for a diocese, come on, dude. And I'll be honest, I'm especially when the when the diocese is Weisenberg's diocese, yeah. Like and Weisenberg. Now, some people were saying you shouldn't have said anything, and I I won't say that. Like, I'll say you should have been more prudent with your money because you're saying you don't have money to pay your mortgage now, and it's like you have a child, you have a child or a child on the way, either one. That was pretty dumb. Like it was pretty imprudent. You you got to put your family first. Like, I understand you want to say the things that you believe, and that's totally fine, but consequences come with that, and you need to accept those consequences when they come. So, the advice I actually gave Joe, I spoke to him privately. I said, Joe, here's here's my advice to you get a job that has nothing to do with the church now, like, get a real job that has nothing to do with the church, get a real job, don't try to spring this into a streaming career because there's not enough money in streaming, there's just not like outside of a half dozen guys, there's Frad's making money, Taylor's making money, Holdsworth. Like Holdsworth, but Holdsworth probably does pretty well, but Holdsworth also has his his graphic design thing. That's true, that's a good point. He doesn't just do this, he doesn't make enough doing this to support his fans.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:14

Then I don't think he's he he hasn't like monetize, monetized as far as like locals or Patreon, has he? No, he has locals. Does he okay?

SPEAKER_03 1:31:21

Yeah, but I don't think he does what we do, you know. Like, like honestly, Rob and I do pretty well for the size of our channel, but that's because of locals. But we also split it, like you're cut like if I if it was one of us making this kind of money, it's like okay, maybe I could pull something out of this, but when you got two people splitting it, it's just you know, it's it's really just a side gig, which we love, and and I love to do it too, so it's like you don't you know it's fun, like um majorian said I shouldn't talk about no major, you you can talk about whatever you want, just understand it. Like, if you if you do, if you do get caught, like don't be surprised. Like, and I'm not even saying I won't help raise money for you. Like, I love you, I'll put a fundraiser out, but you see the the faux outrage Joe has like Joe was on Gordon's show tonight, and he's like, they didn't even care about my wife and children, and this priest that it's crazy that the hierarchy only cares about the LGBT people. It's like, dude, where have you been? Are you just finding out the hierarchy's gay? Like, what?

unknown 1:32:28

I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:29

Well, I mean, to be fair, it took him a while to find out his own boss was gay. That is true. That is very true. No offense, Joe. If you ever watch this, I could have passed up the force joke.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:41

He was all with Gordon. I texted Gordon, uh, because like uh Joe was on a rant, and I texted Gordon, I go, dude, it's like he's just finding out the hierarchy is gay. I don't understand. Tim texts me back. He goes, he he's like, uh, what did he say? He goes, so true. I always tell him this. Like, Joe's Joe's acting, I like it, he's feigning anger because it's I he either planned it because he wanted to get out of his gig and have a launching point just do something else, or he's dumb. I mean one of the other. I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:13

You know, working with never mind, never mind. Um what what uh what amazes me more than anything with is um Joe will uh go off on the SSPX, right? About other and schism and they're disobedient and blah blah blah. And yet he it's now he this happens to him. It's like, did you not realize like the hierarchy hates you just as much as they hate the SSPX? Like, yeah, you you're just as much of a schismatic heretic to them as the SSPX.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:47

Here's the thing like these guys who are like even like Pope Respector and those guys, like they think the hierarchy likes them because they really think the hierarchy has good motives, like you guys are delusional, you're delusional. If you're a faithful Catholic, the hierarchy does not like you. I'm not saying everyone, but a lot of them, you know, and it's like you can't actually. I mean, especially you're talking about that subject, like you're talking about talking about Zionism and the Jews. You know that these are guys are boomers, like they grew up on the on the freaking Holocaust narrative. Like these guys are not gonna tolerate that, so they don't want to catch anything. They're they want to go and talk about their elder brothers in the faith, and that's that's how the that's come on, can't come on, stop it. Answerant was already proven right, their project blue beaming us. Wait, did you see Trump? When? Just now. How could I have I seen him just now? Uh Josh Charles just texted me. Based on the tremendous interest shown, I will be directing the Secretary of War and other relevant departments and agencies to begin the process of identifying and releasing government files related to alien and extraterrestrial life, unidentified aerial phenomena, and unidentified flying objects, and any and all other information connected to these highly complex but extremely interesting and important matters. God bless America. President of disclosure, Daniel O'Connor seems like he's right. Yeah, I know, guys, I'm wrong. I know.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:14

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:14

Anthony, you're nuts. We're not at the end. Okay. Okay. Cool, guys. They're not gonna freaking bring uh a demon into AI. No, I'm nuts.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:27

I know that doesn't necessarily mean it's the end of the world. Oh, it doesn't necessarily mean it.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:33

Okay, was it the end of the world when there was freaking Nephilim walking the earth? It was the end of that world, wasn't it? Oh my gosh, you're you're wasn't it the end of that world? Didn't the flood come? Wait a minute. Did the freaking flood not come and wipe out that world?

SPEAKER_06 1:35:54

That's not the end of the world, it's not the end of time. Plus, we know we know we know a flood's not coming.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:04

No fire from the sky, maybe right, nuclear hellfire, sure. That's the thing. Like, I because I was like, you look at what's happening even in uh in Spain and France right now with all the immigrants that they're legalizing for voting, like all of that stuff has to do with America, actually. Like, all of it has to do they're they're looking to fine social media platforms for not removing hateful language in in the EU right now. All of that is positioning them to control elections over there because we're like there's a confrontation coming. I'm listening to you and Adrian telling me how the State Department is buying the war Department of War is buying up every single bit of we're heading for Armageddon, guys. I don't know war is not Armageddon. Okay, you think a war with Iran is suddenly Armageddon? No, I think a war with Iran is just the beginning, it's just literally the beginning, and things are going to escalate. I love I love how you're so oh dude. No, I dude just stop being contrarian because I know you don't think what you're saying right now.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:11

What do you mean? I do, I do it is not the end of the world. I will not live to see the end of the world. My children will not live to see the end of the world. I believe that 100% with my whole my whole being. I hope you're right. I mean, I I don't know, I don't know, I don't know if it's a good thing if I'm right or not. I'm not saying the world is gonna be awesome or great.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:32

I'm sure that I don't you guys think you you so I look at it like what a awesome opportunity to be a saint if we are in the end times.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:41

I also got it we have an awesome opportunity to be a saint regardless.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:45

Yes, I know, but the the the saints of old wrote about the saints of this time.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:51

I look at it like they wrote about the saints of the end time. Don't say this is the end if it's not automatically conflate the two.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:57

Yeah, I they also um they they wrote of saints that were far more what holy and powerful than them, right? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. If you really go in and you look, they say if we were alive during those times, we could never handle the temptations because of all the things that are thrown at them, like like almost describing the technology that like the the the the occasion of sin would be so rampant that they thought they could never handle the temptation. That's how they wrote of it. And the saints of that time, like really all like I've been thinking about this a lot, and what does it mean for me to be a saint? Like, how could I be a saint? Because I'm not I'm not performing any grand miracles, obviously. But like, what does a somebody with my temperament and personality, like, what does sanctity look like for a person like me? Because I don't look like any of the freaking saints that are ever in history.

SPEAKER_06 1:38:54

So we've had some black saints, don't worry about that.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:58

I've really taken the um like I've just been thinking about it a lot, and it's it's like I just uh how can I be Christ to people? And it's just it's really trying to love people that I initially don't want to be around, and that's the only way I can think of doing it. And in those times where I want I would much rather just cut people out of my life because it would make things much simpler, I go out of my way to keep those relationships intact.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:31

Saint Tyrone.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:35

Um, what about Triumph of the Immaculate Heart and the period? Yeah, that's the only thing I don't know about. Like, I don't know if that that maybe could be coming up on that instead. But we're coming up well that that I mean that that's my personal theory is that we're coming. But that's fine, but it's still it's still I it to me, if there's a period if if our ladies Immaculate Heart reigns, it's after the Antichrist comes. Like, I think the Antichrist is coming. I like I he's he's probably on the world stage right now. I don't know how it plays out, I don't know the intricacies of how it plays out, but I am looking at the way things are going in the world. I see all the things with AI, I see the thing with the alien deception, I see what's happening in Israel.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:17

Israel is the most convincing thing to me because they agree that that's the one thing that we haven't had in the last 2,000 years, other than almost everything.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:28

I'm telling you, you don't know how significant that part. I swear if you say it one more time, the significance of the the of the the gathering in of the people back into the land, them making people call them making people call the West, uh the West Bank Judea and Samaria. This all has to do with the fulfillment of prophecy. They are trying to fulfill the prophecies of the old testament in a carnal way. This all has to do with them seeing Israel gathered back, like the prophecies are I will gather you back into the land, and you will come together on my hill on Zion, and you will rule over the nations with an iron rod. And they see that in a carnal sense, and that is what they are aiming towards right now. And I saw um the the the Christ is king guy who was always on with uh Dr. Deep State, he put out a video today, and he said the Antichrist will be a Jew, and I don't know if that's correct.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:39

You will be well, what's funny is he will be a fathers say he's a of the tribe of Dan that he's specifically not a Jew, yeah, specifically not a Jew.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:50

And we've talked about this before, and that the twelve the ten northern tribes are scattered amongst the nations so much that they look like gentiles, they aren't in the tribes anymore. So it could literally just be some gentile that they that then they say then tries to claim Davidic descendants, but in reality, he's a he's a from the tribe of Dan. That's what that's what we're looking at. We're looking at somebody who's truly from the tribe of Dan, but who tries to pretend he's from the Davidic line. That is what we're looking at, and people that think he's going to be a Jew might be mistaken because it could be a gentile who then comes out and says, No, no, no, I'm actually a descendant of David, and technically he's really from the tribe of Dan. The tribe of how it's gonna play out.

SPEAKER_06 1:42:39

People are asking the tribe of Dan is one of the 12 tribes of Israel. Jews technically were the two southern tribes who were in the kingdom of Judea, Judea after the split. There's the northern kingdom of Israel, the southern kingdom of Judea. Jews are those of the southern kingdom of Judea, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:43:00

So it's it's Judah and Benjamin are the two southern tribes. Judaism is Judaism, like Judaism is modern Judaism. So the 10 northern tribes, if you guys want to actually know this subject, Rob and I did a really, really good episode on Romans 9 through 11. And we went in depth. We listened to a six-hour Scott Hahn lecture, and we came in and we both just kind of went through the story and gave both of our thoughts. Rob has some really good insights about it, just even how God uses when he disperses the Jews amongst the nations, he's still using them, even in their punishment, to gather the nations in. And that's what is happening right now. And he's gathering his people, he's allowing his people to gather his people, they're not his people, he's allowing the the Jews to gather back in the land under his permissive will for a reason. He doesn't, he would their punishment was banishment when the temple got destroyed. It was their judgment, and it happened, and for 2,000 years they weren't allowed back in. And we are living in the times where he's allowing them to gather back in. That is the most convincing reason I believe it, Rob. That between that and the stuff going on in the church, those two pillars are the reason I'm saying this is unlike anything we've ever seen in history. Now, I don't know how the mechanics of it play out, and like I said, there could be this period of peace after, but I think we are looking at in in in the next couple of years this happening. I don't want it to. Do you know how good things are going right now for me? I don't I don't I'm not happy about this. Things are going great for me. I finally can like pay for my mortgage. I'm freaking going to Italy. Like, I don't want this to happen. Uh I don't think that I don't think the Antichrist would be a secret Muslim. No. But I do think there's an element of there's something mysterious about Fatima being the biggest um apparition for us.

SPEAKER_06 1:45:06

Yeah, I I think we'll see a mass conversion of Muslims prior to and uh I just saw um again today someone on Twitter, forget who someone not super big, but not super small either. Um I forget who it was, said that they I think it was a priest, one of the priests on Twitter, said that they um started talking with a Muslim from Turkey who had a dream of Jesus and decided to convert.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:34

I saw somebody posted the other day talking about how somebody like went and gave testimony of how there's like lots of Muslims having dreams of Christ right now, and so there's some connection between the prophecy happening in Fatima and the only two women that are mentioned in the Quran with any kind of uh you know positive light are Mary and Fatima and Fat his daughter Fatima. And I think there's some connection, I don't know what, I don't know how it works out, but I do think they are also seeds of Abraham from uh uh you know, like God promises Ishmael something too, right? God doesn't got like uh Isaac is the promised son, but God tells Abraham, don't worry, I will also give Ishmael uh like an inheritance, also.

SPEAKER_06 1:46:23

Well that and um yeah, the Arabs in general, you're right, are are uh Ishmaelites, some from from Ishmael. But there was um there was a lot of uh influence of uh at least some form of Judaism was whether or not it was actually from the southern tribes or maybe uh from the northern tribes that were dispersed, but like there were Jewish uh kingdoms, uh you know, around like what is now Yemen and stuff like that, um, at the time that uh Islam was created, so there was definitely a a Jewish influence on uh on that religion. So it's very possible that um that many Arabs are you know from the maybe the ten northern tribes as well as being from from Ishmael too.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:16

So let me let me tell you this though. So God gives the the the promise to I mean Isaac is obviously the the the promised son, and God makes the promise to Ishmael also, just like the Jews are trying to carnally fulfill in Israel, what the hierarchy today are doing with the Abrahamic faith house is trying to carnally fill fulfill the prophecy there in Genesis. They are trying to carnally, not in God's way, they are trying to bring about some carnal fulfillment of Jews, and they're trying to reunite the elder brother and younger brother in some way, and they're trying to do it without the conversion of the Jews and Muslims.

SPEAKER_06 1:47:59

I mean that that's at the very the very heart of Masonry, right? The you know it masonry has this mythos um of Solomon's temple, right? And and uh I forget the name of the the architect that they are supposedly all spiritually descended from, but it's all about you know um kind of worldly and secular fraternity, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:48:23

Yeah, and that's exactly what the hierarchy is the higher because um the the the point I'm going for though is it's the same carnal reading of the scriptures, and when you're looking at when they're trying to do that, it's almost like God's showing us if you really look with eyes of faith. If you look at what the Sanhedrin was doing back then, they're all they're always viewing the scriptures with a carnal view, and what the hierarchy today is it's almost like you can see that that they're doing something wrong, like it's it's it's like you don't even have to question, like it is a it is trying to fulfill the promise through man, through like think about what 675 says. It's like uh uh that puts man above God, right? So it's uh before Christ's second coming, the church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers. The persecution that accompanies our pilgrimage on earth will unveil the mystery of iniquity in the form of a religious deception, offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The the the the solution to the problem of of violence between the religions, we'll fix it with this pseudo-messianism of human fraternity, instead of allowing instead of converting them and bringing them into the grafting them back onto the branches through conversion, because that's actually how it's supposed to play out, like there will be a reunification of the brothers at the end, but that comes through them getting grafted back in through faith in Christ, and all of these people. Are playing around with carnal fulfillment of the scriptures, trying to play with the pseudo messianism. We can fix our problems if we just have love and fraternity. That is the pseudo messianism that I'm talking about. Everybody goes to heaven. God doesn't, God, they were all God's people. People of goodwill are just the church. I read it in my freaking kids' catechism book, and it's why I pulled my kids out of their catechism class. Yeah, I texted it to Rob and Jason and Mark when I saw it. They tried to teach in my children's diocese catechism class that the church is made up of people of goodwill, and that are Christians, Protestant, uh Catholics, Protestants, Jews, and Muslims. And I went, This is filth.

SPEAKER_05 1:50:43

It did yeah, it did literally lose Christians, Jews, and Muslims.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:47

Protestants, Jews, Muslims are part of the church, is what this book said. It was diabolical. So Ann, if you can warn of this, how will so many be deceived? Even the elect makes me shudder. Because it's a freaking high school dropout construction worker doing the warning, and everybody thinks I'm retarded.

SPEAKER_06 1:51:11

No, no, no.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:12

That's how everybody thinks deceived. Everybody thinks I'm nuts. And you guys all write me off like I'm nuts because I'm some dumb high school dropout. God's God, I'm not saying God reveals himself to the the the small. Like the he doesn't, you know, he's not gonna the PhDs and the scholars are gonna miss it, guys. They're going to miss it. The PhDs and the and the and the just like the authorities did the first time, they're going to miss it the second time. They're going to fall for it. It's going to be Christ's little ones, the ones who who have this divine intimacy with him. They're the ones who are going to see it. Oh well, the so many will be deceived because it's a pseudo-messianism, and and it sounds true, like it rings true. It's like a it's a it's an ape of Christ. Like that's actually how it happens. It sounds like it could be, it's like, oh man, we're supposed to love everyone, but like, why shouldn't we love gay people? You do love gay people, but that doesn't mean you condone the sin. You don't you don't condone the sin. And the thing is, like, so many of us are angry at the hierarchy for condoning that sin, but like, really think about the people that are like, if you're struggling with mortal sin, calling out somebody else for supporting mortal sin, like you really have to be careful about that, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:52:49

People will be deceived because in the end they don't want to suffer, yeah. The whole idea of uh uh um words get hard at this time of night. What's uh what's uh what's like uh a perfect um society called starts with the utopia. Oh utopia, utopia, yeah. Like everyone's finally I got one that Rob didn't have. I feel great. Everyone at some level wants an earthly utopia, yeah. You know, and because it means you're not suffering, you're not having to suffer and do hard things and worry about stuff like that. So the promise of of building a earthly utopia is always it's always been used to dry, you know, to pull people. I mean, look look at the Garden of Eden. They were literally in an earthly utopia, and Eve didn't have enough, she wanted more.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:45

Yeah, it's it's it's always been what they're trying to do, right? It's just it's like all what what they're always trying to do is bring about their utopia. The communists are trying to do it, the Marxists are trying to do it, everybody's trying to bring about a utopia. You can't have heaven on earth, the kingdom of heaven came to earth, and that was in the church, and now we're dealing with dude, like the first off, like what is happening in the church for me proves Catholicism more because of course the devil wants to take over the church. So, like, some people will be like, Oh, go Eastern Orthodox or go set up a country. It's like, no, man, no, you stay in communion with the people of God until God tells us because there may come a point where God says, Come out of her, my people, so you don't partake in her blasphemies, which is what happens in the in the apocalypse. That's literally word for word what it says in the apocalypse. Come out of her, my people, so you do not partake in her blasphemies. And that was him calling the Jewish converts to Christ out of the temple. Come out of her, my people, so you don't partake in her blasphemies. Because this they didn't want he didn't want them partaking in the synagogue of Satan. So when the temple is destroyed, like the Christians don't die in that in the revolution, like in the in the in the when the when the when the temple thing happens, the Christians know we don't actually need the temple anymore. We don't need it, we have the mass, like that is the new temple. So now you don't need to be in Jerusalem at the temple anymore, and that's actually how the temple of God grows. So if you read Paul in Ephesians, he's talking about the temple growing and the body being built. It's like this inverse analogy. Like temples are built and bodies grow, but Paul talks about the temple growing and the body of Christ is being built, and he's talking about that because the body of Christ is multiple things, it's the Eucharist, it's the church itself, and the church is being built as the temple grows, and because the temple grows every time a new priest is ordained and celebrates the Eucharist. It's a beautiful, like man, the stuff the stuff that Christ did is so amazing, man. And I we might have to. I was so tempted to just do you ever read the sermon in the because I've been listening to Audio Bible every freaking night, and I just threw on the book of Acts last night. Did you ever hear Peter's sermon in the book of Acts? Like right after right after the um ascension, Peter gives a sermon. It is one of the most typologically dense sermons you'll ever hear. It is so amazing. He goes through all the old testament prophecies, it's so good. Maybe we'll do that next next locals episode. Okay. Like, I want to take you guys through some of the stuff that will just I'm I just want to light people's hearts on fire and give you faith and make sure you remember that we can trust our father's promises, we can trust the promise of Christ. Male loneliness is solved by calling shows. Oh shit, I promise you, I promise you, you will get first dibs when uh Josh comes on. We'll bring you on first. I know you want to jump on and and and and chat with us, so how do you think that episode is gonna do?

SPEAKER_06 1:57:19

Um, let's see, some comments so far. I'll save you guys an hour. Anthony doesn't let anyone else talk, then it's time to go over to locals. Um everyone complained, everyone will complain that Anthony speaks the entire hour, but this is avoiding Babylon in its pure form.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:42

Um everybody complained that Anthony spoke the whole hour. This is avoiding that's fine, you just read that one.

SPEAKER_04 1:57:52

Um I got plenty of text messages, that's for sure. Stephen Copps wants me to call him. Father Amato texted me.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:11

You know what Father Romato said? What he said, this is excellent. I can't believe you haven't dropped an F bomb yet.

SPEAKER_06 1:58:19

He's like, he dad's a good priest right there. Always a girl. You're like, good job, Anthony. Good job. Make sure you reply back to him. Yeah, but I did say shit later on. Yeah, I did. Someone in the comments wants to know how often you're using knickknacks because they're concerned about your uh blood pressure and pulse.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:47

I only get I only get like that on this show, though. Nah, that's not true. That's not true. I can't like this in real life. Don't lie to us. I get like this in real life. I'm I am me. I mean, I'm like this all the time, to be honest. Um, if I call in on locals, I won't be barred from colleges. Oh, okay. That's true. You want to look uh I just saw some co-workers on Nick Dagger. I'm gonna start handing them out at work because I got a bunch of guys that use Zen at work, yeah. And I'm gonna I'm gonna hand them because they gave us they gave us a ton. And honestly, I I love the blood orange, but they gave me so many of the um have you tried the classic yet? Because I got a lot of classics, and I yeah, I'm not I didn't try them yet, but I know I like the citrus.

SPEAKER_06 1:59:31

Like those what do they mean by classic?

SPEAKER_03 1:59:33

They're probably just like Marlboro reds. I I don't want I don't want a thing that tastes like a cigarette. I'm gonna try a classic. Let's see.

SPEAKER_06 1:59:43

Yeah, you tell me so many of them.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:45

They said there's like a case of them, so it's like I'm gonna I'm gonna give a lot away. I'm gonna keep the flavors I like and I'm gonna give the other ones away. But the F-bomb is a thin for girls. Let's see.

SPEAKER_06 2:00:03

Oh, it's good. Oh, it's pretty good. I like the classic. What does it taste like? I don't I don't know how to describe it. It tastes classic.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:13

What the AB is my fasting aid. Ant is dealing drugs under the table now. I'm a tiny of them.

SPEAKER_06 2:00:23

No, no, no. No, the mafia did not deal drugs until well, well, I shouldn't tell Lucky Luciano. Lucky Luciano got involved with the CIA and the Vatican.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:34

Lucky Luciano, who is actually like my third or fourth cousin? My third or fourth cousin.

SPEAKER_06 2:00:43

It tastes like a 57. Yeah, is it does it taste like a cigarette? Does it taste like a car? Like for me, a classic would be like, you know, a good old 19.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:51

No, it has it has flavor, like it almost has like a citrusy flavor. I think this might be my new favorite.

SPEAKER_06 2:00:59

No way. Okay, hold on. I gotta try to try one.

SPEAKER_03 2:01:01

Go get one. It it has like a I don't know how to describe it. You tell uh he's gonna come back. I want to see how he describes it. I don't know how to describe it. Classic tastes like Trent Warren. Is this the monster chewing his knick-knack? Just tuned in to Nick get rage. Did Nick Rage quit? No, Nick didn't rage quit. He didn't join us for locals. Um, Anthony being related to drug dealer mafioso makes a surprising amount of sense. So Lucky Luciano. Lucky strike flavor. Lucky Lucky Luciano is um he was my great-grandfather, my great-great-grandfather's cousin. And there, my my uncle went back to Sicily to visit like our our family that's there, and there's a picture of my great-grandfather with Lucky Luciano in the house that they still have. That when that was when he he got sent back to Italy. So Lucky Luciano was in America. He starts during Prohibition. He's the one who starts La Costra Nostra, and he ends up selling dope, and he gets in trouble in America, and they send it back. Then World War II starts, and he starts working with the CIA, and he's selling dope for the CIA to get the money, and he's he's running the ports in in in in Italy, and it's pretty crazy stuff.

SPEAKER_06 2:02:36

I can't I can't taste the flavor. But it does have a flavor though. I don't know how to describe it.

SPEAKER_03 2:02:48

I just don't know. I don't have lost for descriptive words. I'm not a loss for words. Um the mafia is real, but it's it's dead now. There's no mafia left. Anthony's relative is who got the got the blacks at the crack. All right, all right. We had a really positive show tonight. You guys are ending it on a bad note. Don't worry about my mafia connections. The mafia is not what it used to be. That's what I'll tell you. They still got some things, like they still they still got a few unions. I don't think it's got a flavor. Tastes like something.

SPEAKER_06 2:03:28

I think it just tastes slightly sweet. Slightly sweet, but like sugary. Just sugary. Yeah, that the heck do you think slightly sweet means?

SPEAKER_03 2:03:39

Yeah, like sugar, like just sugar sweet, though, not like candy sweet. Like it's just kind of sweet, so it's kind of classic.

SPEAKER_06 2:03:46

Yeah, okay. The ingredient it has the same ingredients as every other one, except it doesn't have any like essential oil, you know, like the blood orange has blood orange essential oil. This doesn't, so yeah, you have a little sweetness from the xylitol, and that's it. It's not bad at all. But I've had a lot of nicotine tonight, right? I probably don't need this.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:10

Whose baby is that? Here's our newborn baby to end on a positive note. Christendom show beautiful, man. Congratulations. Is it is it your first? So your first child?

SPEAKER_06 2:04:22

The mafia isn't big anymore. All they have is a lobster connection, a wine connection, nicotine lozenge connection, a potato chip connection.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:35

Are you guys purposely not talking about Trent? I mean, I said about Trent, I said it at the end of the last show. I said, like he he's oh man, and even the Zionism thing, man. Like what we're talking about with the Zionism thing. Uh so everybody that talks about the Zionism question, they'll all like uh because Gordon did a show the other day on it, was really good. He went through all like the church fathers, what they taught on it. Brian Holdsworth did a really good show on it. He went through like uh the the Holocaust situation, but he also discussed the enmity and how I said protagonist in my video, and everybody got mad because like protagonist is the good guy, the antagonist is the bad guy, right? But I just meant they were the people moving the store story forward, but really Christ is the one moving the story forward, and they're the antagonist. So I said protagonist of antagonist, but Brian Holdsworth made the same mistake, I will point out. So um, but he did talk about that a lot, but none of them will go where I'm going with it, where I'm telling you the reason you as a Catholic cannot support Zionism is because what they are doing, and the reason it's called Zionism is because of the promises given to David on Zion, and that it goes it comes from the Davidic covenant and the promises that are that are for Christ. The promises of Zion are about the son of David, the Messiah, and how God will gather his people back in on his mountain and they will rule the nations with an iron rod. So if you support Israel in any form or fashion, you are supporting the entity that they will use to bring about the Antichrist. So that's why there's no possible way to support Israel as a Catholic. Because no matter what you think about, because we live in a multicultural democracy, and we think all people are the same, and the and the Jews have a right to back. If the Jews were in a different place, you could support the like you can support Jews having a homeland, it just can't be there. It can't be there, like you can support if they were in Rhode Island, it's like, yeah, fine. You know what I'm saying, though. South America somewhere, that'd be fine. Argentina.

SPEAKER_06 2:06:53

One of the one of the uh, yeah, they were thinking maybe Argentina, the original scientists, they were thinking like South America, like you said. Uh, some of them were thinking Madagascar, that would have been good.

SPEAKER_03 2:07:04

Any of those places would have been fine, but not in the land that they say they have a divine right to. It is diabolical. Like you can say, you can say this like the the Jews, you can't say the Jews have a right to that land. What you can say is the Jews are in that land, and you and all people have a right to defend themselves, I guess, but you can't support them in any financial means, you can't support them politically, you can't, because what you are supporting is the entity that will bring about the antichrist.

SPEAKER_06 2:07:44

I I don't think you can even support a Jewish state anywhere. Like you can support uh like the nation, like the Jewish people having a state, but I don't think you can support a state being specifically yeah, like a national like uh like maybe not in today's context. No, no, like a like uh theocratic Judaism, yeah, Catholics can't support that. Yeah, we shouldn't support secularism, we shouldn't support yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:08:10

Well, the church is clear about that still. The the church says we can't support that in any way, but I'm saying you can't support it in any way, whatsoever, because what you are supporting is the coming of the antichrist, no matter how you look at it, because they see themselves as having a divine right to that land. Go listen to the Tucker Carlson interview today. He talks to a Palestinian Christian and he gets into like what they're doing and why they're doing it, and how they're they're using this system to root out Christians purposely, because you have to think about what what when you get to the Herodian Empire, like the Herodian kingdom is actually bigger than the Davidic kingdom, right? So you had the same thing happening when Christ comes. Now, now Herod is on the throne in the temple, and Herod is an imposter, Herod is an Edomite, so he's like a real antichrist, but but he's not claiming to be a son of Judah, but he is trying to make himself the king of Israel. So you have some you have people in Israel who are who are furious that he is taking this upon himself and they want to install their own messiah. So when you come to that time, you have the zealots, and the zealots want to kill Herod, they want to go to war with Rome, they want to put a Davidic, they're looking for anyone who's in the line of David and they want to stick him in Herod's place. And you're gonna have the same thing now. You have to this is what I think people might not get. The Jews don't think their messiah is going to be God incarnate, like they think they could put their own messiah in there. He just needs to be a son of David and rule over the nations. They don't think he's going to be God come in the flesh. So it doesn't matter. They could put anybody in there who they could say is a son of David, and then he can play that role, and they're going to look to fulfill that prophecy carnally, and they want to rule the nations, not in that all people become Jews, in that the Jews rule the nations. And that is why they had a problem with Christ, because Christ said the lion will lay down with the lamb. And the idea that the Gentiles could be brought into the covenant and part of the kingdom infuriated them. It made them boil to the point where they murdered God. They hate God. You have to really understand that they hate God. So, no, I can't support them in any way, shape, or form. What we are seeing happen is way bigger of a deal than anybody will let you know. And I'm sorry, but Matt Frad, Trent Horn, Lila Rose, if you follow those people, because if you read the fathers, if you read Saint John Chrysostom Chrysostom, he says anybody who even has empathy for these people will be led to perdition. Like that's a huge statement. If you even have if you even sympathize with them in their in their attempt to do what they're doing, you will be led to perd because you will you will you will fall for it. It's not saying like the not the sympathy itself isn't like you can have empathy for people and and suffering and things like that. But if you if you support what they're doing over there, you're helping them build the third temple and put their their that's what's going to happen. And all I'll tell you is Trump's the kind of guy who will say, I'll build that temple for them. And if you see that happen, then we'll talk who's who thinks we're at the end of the world, right? If Trump starts talking about building the third temple, what are you gonna do, Rob? You're gonna still disagree with me?

SPEAKER_06 2:11:44

I mean, at this point it's the bit, so yes, I will. All right. If it if he starts building a third temple, you and I might need to go have a pilgrimage in the holy land where

SPEAKER_03 2:12:00

We uh I don't know. I'm thinking of pilgrimage to Minnesota to come live with you if that happens.

SPEAKER_06 2:12:06

I don't know, we're gonna go over there and blow it up.

SPEAKER_03 2:12:08

Um no, I'm not doing that. I will never like I will honestly I'm thinking about getting father's rectory address. Going up to going up to stay with Father Amato. He's far enough away, he's out in the middle of nowhere. Um it's been the hugest temple you ever saw. Um, yeah, I I hope you guys by listening to our show understand what I'm saying because I've never heard any other show talk about it like this. Maybe, maybe uh, I don't know if the guys at Dr. Deep State do or that or but I don't I've never heard anybody else explain it the way I'm I'm saying it to you guys that this is what the Zionist project is. It is to build the messianic kingdom and fulfill these prophecies in a carnal sense so that they can see back the antichrist that's in power and rule the nations with an iron rod. So when I hear everybody saying Catholics can't be Zionists, Catholics can't be Zionists, they're saying it, but they don't, and they know the fathers told them that they can't do it, and they understand that there's enmity between Jews and Christians, but it's like they don't see why. It's not just because the Jews were the ones who killed Christ, that's not what it is. It's because they're trying to they're trying to bring this about, and that's why Catholics can't support it. All right, Rob. This is a good one. We went late tonight for you guys.

SPEAKER_06 2:13:33

Yeah, and I still have to record the readings for tomorrow.

SPEAKER_03 2:13:37

My brother Joey wants you to put them out earlier so we can listen to them on our way into work. I mean, I do wake you up on my ride into work every morning at 4 30 anyway. I literally text Rob. I'll eat my 4 30. I'll uh I'm like, I don't want to text him yet, 5 a.m. Eastern time. I'm texting him as 4 a.m. his time.

SPEAKER_06 2:13:57

I don't, it's not I mean I'm still sleeping, it doesn't wake me up.

SPEAKER_03 2:14:00

You always do wake up, whether it's to take a pee or the baby wakes up. You do wake up pretty yarn.

SPEAKER_06 2:14:05

Philomena had Philomena was bright-eyed and bushy-tailed at 2 30 a.m.

SPEAKER_03 2:14:09

time that's amazing. I love that she's waking you up and ruining your sleep.

SPEAKER_06 2:14:13

Daddy, isn't it the cutest thing though? We go upstairs. No, it's still bedtime. And then five minutes later, well, daddy, I'm going upstairs without you. I'm like, no, she won't. She's too afraid. Now, two minutes later, I hear footsteps above me.

SPEAKER_03 2:14:28

I'm like, Oh, I better go. She's so freaking cute, though. Like, how do you know? It's like she's just so freaking adorable. Oh, yes. All right, man. We're gonna wrap this one up. We will see you guys. Take us out, brother.

SPEAKER_05 2:14:42

Why do I have to play one?