The World Is Waking Up to Jesus — Here's Why

Something feels different lately, and we can’t be the only ones noticing it. When Joe Rogan starts talking about church, praising the teachings of Jesus, and asking out loud “who was Jesus Christ?”, that’s not just another trending clip. It’s a signal that the old certainty of the new atheist era is cracking, and millions of people are suddenly willing to take Christianity seriously again.

We play and react to the Rogan clips, including the Dead Sea Scrolls and Isaiah angle, and we talk about why seekers often start with “I like Jesus’ morals” before they can say “I believe.” We connect that to Tolkien and C S Lewis on myth, to the idea that every culture carries echoes of the Gospel, and to why a post-Christian society never stays neutral. If you don’t worship the true God, you will worship something else, and the substitutes showing up in mainstream culture are getting darker and weirder by the day.

But there’s a tension here: is this a path toward real conversion, or a sanitized public version of Christianity that avoids the hard claims, the hard teachings, and the hard questions? We also get into Catholic media dynamics, the Daily Wire conversation, and what happens when Catholicism gets translated for a mass political audience.

On the practical side, we rally our community around two concrete wins: supporting Enoch’s album fundraiser and backing Samuel’s new Matins lectionary (pre-1955 readings from the traditional Roman Breviary) so serious prayer is more accessible in one durable hardcover. If you enjoyed the conversation, subscribe, share this with a friend who’s been feeling that cultural shift, and leave a review so more people can find us.

Transcript

Cold Open And 60K Milestone

SPEAKER_07 0:14

All right, so let's see if this actually works now. I talked to Joe B and uh him and both are starting a uh podcast and he's sending me logos and stuff. I'm not doing that. That's gonna be the most unprofessional podcast ever. Many months later.

SPEAKER_03 0:37

If you want to watch the anti-Semitic intro, you're gonna have to pay up and join locals. Dude, that's before I got my teeth fixed.

SPEAKER_05 0:47

That's how old that video is. Yeah, you I can tell you're purposely trying to hide them behind your Yeah, it's before I got my teeth fixed, man.

SPEAKER_03 0:55

Holy cow.

SPEAKER_02 0:57

How did he find that?

SPEAKER_03 0:58

I mean, it's like channel, you just go back to like those first few videos. I didn't like I had a huge gap in my teeth, and the camera was so bad. Like, like I have I have gray in my beard, but the camera, like the camera that Rob told me to get, like, kind of like hides it. And I have the lights way dimmer in here, so you can't see how gray I really am. But uh but yeah, you see how you see how gray I am with how bad my teeth were. So all right, so we hit 60,000 subs, and that's why um that's why Taffy put that intro video up, and uh it's it's pretty interesting. So now we have Enoch on and Samuel. Now Samuel has been an OG listener since like the trivia days. Uh he would wipe the the rest of the audience wipe the floor with them. I kind of gave him a I never gave him a prize ever, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:52

You got a prize once.

SPEAKER_03 1:54

Okay, all right.

SPEAKER_01 1:54

I think that would be a good one. The little holy water keychain, was that it? No, no, that that one was promised to it never uh never came my way. It was the practice of the presence of God.

Trivia Roots And Old Friends

SPEAKER_03 2:04

Oh, that was I loved giving that book out right here. Yeah, I loved giving that book out. I love giving that one out and humility of heart, humility of heart. We gave a ton of those out, but um, and then Enoch. Um, Enoch put is putting out his last album, and he's got a little fundraiser. And on the thing is, uh, Enoch doesn't do it because he wants to make money, like he has to pay features and he has to pay for the beats, and he has to pay like he's really just trying to recoup the money he laid out. And I would really, really, really like it if the Avoiding Babylon audience could come together and help push him just to recoup what he laid out. And Enoch's been a friend of the show since the trivia days, right? I mean, Enoch, you were on trivia a bunch of times, right? A couple times, yeah. And uh Enoch being on the show is how my cousin, my cousin's wife recognized him when they moved to Kentucky, and now you and my cousin are like family now, you're godfather to his kids, and um you know it's it's it's kind of interesting how much this show has like brought relationships and friendships into our lives, how many people we've met. But Samuel's got a book out through Tan. So Tan reached out to us a couple of weeks ago, and they were like, Oh, we have an author, and they they put a book about uh they put a book together and they compiled all the traditional matins, uh, it like just the matins from the breviary. I hate saying brevery. Is that right?

SPEAKER_01 3:28

Brevery, I think I say brevery, yeah. Breviary or brevery, it's breviary, but yeah, breviary.

SPEAKER_03 3:33

So he compiled all the traditional mattens into one book, they made it a hardcover. So they asked us if we would have the author on, and uh Rob's like, yo, that's Tobias, dude. He used to be on trivia with us. So we figured this was a perfect episode to have you both on. We want to get we want to get Enoch's um uh fundraiser done, and if you guys would uh shoot over to Tam Books and get the Matten's lectionary, that would be awesome too.

SPEAKER_05 4:01

Um both links are both links are in the description as of right now.

SPEAKER_02 4:05

So yeah, guys, buy my mattens book and uh give Marty to Samuel so we can put our album out. That's right. Dropping the six beats. This is like this is one of those where are they now episodes from the trivia days?

SPEAKER_03 4:19

Basically, dude, it is kind of just wild how like well hitting 60,000 was kind of uh it was it was kind of strange for us because we started the show out, and even when we start like we did trivia for a while, then me and Rob started doing interviews, and then when Tim Flanders on Meaning of Catholic had like uh 16,000 subscribers, he let us do trivia on his show, and we were so excited that we were gonna get to go on a channel that had 16,000 subscribers. Like, we were like, dude, we're gonna get huge, like he's got 16,000, and that show never did better than like a thousand views on on Planner's channel.

SPEAKER_05 5:00

And I accidentally made a your mom joke on the meaning of Catholic.

SPEAKER_03 5:03

Yeah, you totally did, but it it was fun doing it on Tim's channel, and um, and then oh man, we and we met all those guys over there. That's how that's really how like we developed a friendship with Kennedy, even though they had the falling out, Kennedy and Jeremiah. Like, there's been so much drama in the Catholic YouTube world over the past few years, but now we're in 60,000. We went past Tim Flanders, we went past Kennedy Hall. What's Gordon got?

SPEAKER_05 5:30

Oh, hold on, hold on, hold on. I got something. Hold on. Pulling something up here right now.

SPEAKER_02 5:38

Gordon is in the 50s, isn't he?

SPEAKER_01 5:40

Wow, that's a great that's a big uh uh just FYI. That guy's not married. He's not married.

SPEAKER_03 5:53

So mean like we we were at like 3,000 subs and he had 16. Meaning Catholics at 22,000 now and we're at 60. I'm I'm just uh here we go bragging about 16,000 subs after telling us the last 20 episodes he doesn't care about the phone. I'm nothing if not a hypocrite. No, that is actually kind of funny. That meme. That's Jim Pine made that meme, and I thought it was a little tasteless. I didn't feel right responding to it.

SPEAKER_05 6:20

But it's funny, it is funny.

SPEAKER_03 6:22

What does Gordon have, though?

SPEAKER_05 6:24

Uh 67.

SPEAKER_03 6:26

All right, so we're not too far. We're trailing behind Gordon, we'll catch up to him. Remember when uh uh Eric Salmons, um Eric Sammons, when he had when when I asked him to come on the channel the first time, I had like 300 subscribers, and he goes, I'm not coming on your channel until you get a thousand subs. And I was like, Really? And he made me wait until I got 500. So I got the 500 and Eric Sammons came on, and then uh now Eric Sammons has what 12,000. I'm not bragging, but I'm bragging. I mean, it's like a humble brag, guys. I'm just saying, like, this show managed to build an audience at a time when everybody else seemed to be be plateauing, and and I'm very, very, very, very happy that you guys spend your time with us. Someone should congratulate Ant. He's too humble to do it himself. Congrats, Ant.

Fundraiser Push And Matins Book

SPEAKER_02 7:18

No, seriously, congrats, guys. It's very well deserved. You guys are the best out there, and it's not even close, honestly.

SPEAKER_03 7:24

Um, so what can we talk about tonight? So the the the title of the show is actually inspired by my wife. Um, my wife watched Father Rippiger's Sean Ryan interview, and she uh like I've tried to give her Rippiger interviews before, but this one like captivated her. And she watched the whole Sean Ryan interview, and then she watched, she said, I got home from work today, and she's like, I've been watching Father Rippiger all day. I've tried to get you to watch Rippiger so many times, but so for some reason, the Sean Ryan interview made her want to dig deeper and go and check out other stuff. She's like, I can't believe you had him on your show. She probably didn't watch that episode, she probably didn't even watch our Rippaker episode. Um, but then probably not she probably didn't, right? And then she she said, uh, she's like, I don't know, I like came across Gwen Stefani's conversion story, and I know that's through Hallow and stuff, but then you see the Joe Rogan clips are all out there, and she's like, I don't know. It's she she's like, it just kind of feels like there's like something happening in the culture right now. Like Joe Rogan for years was talking about doing acid trips and DMT and things like that, and now he's talking about going to church and being not not quite sure what he would call himself. So, you want to play that Rogan clip real quick, Rob? I put it in the telegram. I think it's the first one. Um Schellenberger asks him straight out if he's a Christian, which he gives the Jordan Peterson like uh kick the bucket, kick the can down the road answer. Okay, give me a second. Yeah, that's the thing. E Enoch's music, it's like because there's so much corny Protestant rap out there. It's Enoch. What I do with your music is when you put an album out, I actually just I I uh download the album into my into my music catalog, and then I just play songs randomly. And every once in a while, like I don't do a deep dive into your album right away, usually, and then every once in a while I'll just have my songs on rotation, and a song will come on, and I'll just be like, This is the most amazing freaking song, and then I'll wind up calling you on the phone and I'm like, Why'd you put a feature on this song? This song's amazing. Why is there another artist on this song? I want to I want you to make a new version of this one without the other artist on it.

SPEAKER_02 9:42

Yeah, no, I appreciate you, man. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 9:44

Yeah, the uh blood of the martyrs goes great in the gym. Oh, it's probably my favorite song you've made.

SPEAKER_02 9:50

Thank you, thank you. Yeah, that was inspired by you know, the all the you know, the Christians in the Middle East that are being persecuted.

SPEAKER_03 9:59

My people, I feel like most Catholics listening to your music don't actually they don't understand how like how intricate you're being with your lyrics sometimes. Like, I I don't know. I like when you put the videos out where your lyrics actually flash up on the screen and you can actually see the things you're saying, but so many people miss the double entendres you're you're putting, and look, even Molly listens to your music.

SPEAKER_02 10:27

Molly and her husband, man, are two of the coolest people out there, man. I I I love I love all their stuff, and um uh he he is I I I laugh every time he responds to these Protestants. He's just so dude, he is he puts in work, he puts in work.

Rogan Clip And Ancient Faith

SPEAKER_03 10:41

I'm actually surprised that Catholic Answers hasn't asked him to do some kind of online thing for them. Like he's very thorough in his he never does like anything like I do, where I like mock anybody. He's very thorough, he'll take a screenshot, and then he just very thoroughly goes through it. It's actually pretty amazing. I love I love following Mr. Casey. But uh, all right, let's do the Rogan clip and see, and we'll see what you guys think of it.

SPEAKER_04 11:10

Okay, here we go. Wes Huff told me was that the book of Isaiah that they found in the Dead Sea Scroll predates the oldest version of the book of Isaiah by more than a thousand years. Well, when they found it, they found out that there was a book of Isaiah that is a thousand years older than the one they thought was the oldest one, and it is verbatim. It's verbatim from the one that's a thousand years later, which is kind of crazy. Wow, but then it's also in the same fucking caves as the book of Venon. Sorry for the language.

SPEAKER_00 11:45

It's all that it's all together there in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Amazing. I mean, we've had this, we've we've been fed this story that sort of all of these religions and myths from the past are all just false, right? They're all just hallucinations, right? They're all just lies. I don't believe that. It's just really uh it's really arrogant, actually. Like it's like, well, no, now like we've been around for you know, humans have been around for like millions of years, but the last hundred and fifty years, it's like we really figured it all out, and we figured out that all human knowledge before, you know, whatever, some recent time period is is nonsense. Yeah, I think that's um quite arrogant.

SPEAKER_04 12:20

It's very arrogant, but I all look, I'm a believer that history is far older than we think it is. I'm and I think the more time goes on, the more that gets revealed. So when you're talking about something that's four or five thousand years old, I think really you're talking about a retelling of a far older story. And I think there's it's very difficult when you're dealing with people that don't have an understanding of science, the written language is fairly new, it's an oral tradition for generations before it's ever written down. So, my question with all this is always like, what were they trying to talk about? What were they trying to say? What was the original experience that someone documented in story? And then that story was relayed real quick.

SPEAKER_03 13:09

Because I mean, I obviously don't agree with what he's saying, but like if you go back to Tolkien and C.S. Lewis, uh, that conversation they had, right? If you could read about it in Surprise by Joy, C.S. Lewis's book, they were talking about myth and um talking about how in all these different cultures you had all these like fairy tales popping up, all these myths popping up in these different cultures, and they're very similar stories. And Tolkien explains to C.S. Lewis that the reason why is because foundational to every like God is God's law is written on every human heart, and they're all like echoes of the gospel being told in all these different cultures. So that's why you'll see these different fairy tales pop up that all these different cultures, even no matter how far apart they are, they're kind of telling similar stories, yeah, regardless.

SPEAKER_01 14:03

Yeah, because every every true story is a participation in the one true story, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:09

Exactly. Yeah, so that that's and that actually winds up leading C.S. Lewis to see that Christianity is the one true myth, which Michael Hitchborne hates when I say, but I really stole it from Lewis, where it's like it is a myth where it's like uh your civilization can be built on it, it just happens to be true, right?

SPEAKER_05 14:30

Yeah, I disagree with Michael's use of myth.

SPEAKER_03 14:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 14:35

If you keep going in the clip, Rogan will get into um he'll get into when he gets asked the question over and over and over again, generation after generation, until it's eventually written down, and then they study it and take it literally, and then also translating it from Aramaic, which is the Dead Sea Scrolls, ancient Hebrew, all these different languages to Latin and Greek and eventually English, like, but what's the original story? Like, what it what are they trying to document? What is this important knowledge that they want to share? And how screwed up would that get over the generations and generations of talking about it? But what ultimate truth is in there? Like, I'm I'm absolutely fascinated by the story of Jesus Christ. This is where I wanted to pick it up. Because if you wanted to come why did you include the first two and a half minutes?

SPEAKER_03 15:25

It was just somebody's tweet, and I didn't, you know, but this is where I wanted to pick it up. When he talks about Jesus, this is actually like where the clip gets good and relevant.

SPEAKER_05 15:32

Don't worry, we'll edit that part out.

SPEAKER_04 15:35

I'm at work. Come up with a way that people would live that would absolutely be far more beneficial than just going on natural instincts and tribal behavior, and you would you would follow Jesus' teachings. Like there's I can't find a flaw in the way he tells you to live life. There's a lot of religions that involve you know torturing non-believers and and and and raping infidels and being able to do terrible things to the people that don't believe your religion. There's none of that in Christianity. It's all forgiveness, it's all treating your brother as and your your your your your neighbor as if they're you. Like it is it's a beautiful way to live life. Are you Christian? Well, I go to church. I have been for quite a while. Okay, so I've been doing it for the last three or four years. But that's not really an answer to the question. Well, because I don't know. I I I think it's very interesting, and I do believe that if you follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, you will live a better life. I really do believe that. And one of the things I talk about is like the people that I go to church with are the most fucking polite people I've ever met in my life. They're so kind and so nice, and everybody lets you out of the parking lot. Everybody's like, you go, you go. It's like the one like it works. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 16:57

Like if people are trying to find an idea, does that mean I believe my wife was asking me if there's something happening in the culture, and like part of me wants to believe there is, but another part of me is so cynical that I'm worried that they're putting like a sanitized version of Christianity out there that is it, it's it's it's basically the um like the the sanitized Vatican II version of like just be nice to everybody, don't worry about it. But it's not, it's not like the I don't know, it's not real Christianity that puts anybody, yeah, puts any challenges in people's lives or or challenges them to live really radically differently. It's kind of just uh yeah, you know, this Jesus guy, I won't say that I'm a Christian, but I can't find any flaws in the way Jesus said to live.

SPEAKER_05 17:47

I mean you just described 90% of American Protestantism, you know. Like, yeah, that that is what American Christianity is for the most part, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_02 18:00

I wonder how much of it is. Would you say, Ant, that sometimes that's the door and the people finding the deeper truth? I mean, didn't we all come in a certain way? I mean, I was a Catholic answer, a cat type of Catholic uh when I first came in. Um was it there's a statistic that the majority of Gen Z men boys that are entering, you know, finding God is to the Catholic Church. You could kind of point that towards um Nick Fuentes and people like that who are you know uh the guipers are coming, you know, they're finding the Catholic Church in in that realm. So uh I I I think what happened in 2020 was really a huge awakening for a lot of people, and especially Rogan, because you can kind of start seeing a transformation of uh through him from what he was was going through. Um, I think people have just lost trust from all secular institutions and they're finding a deeper um conversion.

SPEAKER_03 18:58

So yeah, that and the I think that like because evil is so out in the public eye now, right? Like, evil is just so blatant at this point that I think even a guy like Rogan has to step back and go, I oh man, this whatever the heck we were doing before, we gotta go back to because the things that like the new atheist movement made everybody think that the idea of God is silly and made a mockery of Christianity and the religion that popped up in its place is so diabolical and so demonic that it's just kind of in our faces now. And I think people are starting to like like the recognition of evil is making people say, Well, if the devil's real, then God's got to be real, also.

SPEAKER_01 19:41

Right. It's uh they're they're seeing the truth by way of contrast. As soon as uh we we start entering an increasingly post-Christian society, they realize exactly how Christian the life was that they're leaving behind, and they realize that they miss it.

SPEAKER_03 19:54

Yeah, I I remember my uh my older brother uh one time was uh who doesn't go to church or anything, and he was driving one day, and somebody put like a billboard up that had Jesus on the billboard, like the face, you know, Jesus' face on the billboard. And my brother was like, I don't know, I saw the billboard and I missed Jesus. Like he me, he so he had these fond childhood memories, right? And he spent all this time away from from the faith, and then he just saw the face of Christ, and he just like had this yearning for him, and he and he he like admitted to me that he missed him, and it's like that that kind of goes to that a little bit, but also yeah, I I think that they're they're starting to realize that religion is kind of inevitable, and there is something in man that God created us to seek God no matter what, and if you don't seek the true God, you're gonna seek a false God. Like that's that's how I've always understood.

SPEAKER_05 20:51

Oh god, right.

SPEAKER_02 21:00

Right.

SPEAKER_05 21:00

So now they have to look at the alternatives, you know.

SPEAKER_03 21:03

Yeah, what was woke, if not a religion, right? Like that was legitimately a religion, and I think in in some weird way, the woke stuff turned people to Christ.

SPEAKER_02 21:12

Yeah, the demons sometimes can overplay their hand when they're running out of time, to be honest with you. And I think they overplay their hand in this case, so I think Sam is right. In contrast, people are finding though, in my personal opinion, at the end of the day, um, America's either gonna go secular atheists or Catholicism. I don't think your your your everyday pro Protestantism is is is is gonna last. I agree with that.

SPEAKER_03 21:36

I agree, I don't think everyday pro like your regular Protestant is Protestantism will last, but I don't think secular atheism lasts. Like I think some warped thing comes about. And it and it my man, like my wife was uh it's she influenced a lot of this show, guys. I'm sorry, but she told me like she'll be she'll be just like uh she'll have somebody that she'll that she'll Likes watching, and then all of a sudden, it was like all in unison. These were just like um like uh bland shows that she was watching. They they had like they were cooking shows and things like that, like girls cooking and doing recipes, and then out of nowhere, like three of the girls she was watching all of a sudden started talking about being witches, and it was like at the same time, and she was like, Wow, I can never watch this again. This is crazy. I like I think I'm watching something to help me cook, and then all of a sudden, this girl starts talking about being a witch, or this one's talking about crystals, and this one, and it's it's it happened like all in unison the way that went down, and she's just so she's so she was so taken aback by it that she's like, You need to tell me what I could watch. Like, my wife is like, send me things to watch because I don't I don't even know what I could watch anymore. All this stuff is so degraded and demonic at this point.

SPEAKER_02 22:48

Have you shown her core soul? She's uh it's good for her. What is core core soul? Have you have you have you shown her that?

SPEAKER_03 22:55

You can ask you making a joke right now because I never know what I never know what Enoch.

SPEAKER_02 23:00

Melody's pretty good at that. You can ask Melody about Corsol.

SPEAKER_03 23:04

Are you saying it's the Catholic yoga thing? I never know. I can see it on his face when Enoch's about to make a joke. It's just like this subtle look that goes on his face, and I know he's not being serious. Everybody is praising the Matten's book. I want to make sure we do plug the matten's book, and I also, like I said, before the end of the stream, I want Enoch's fundraiser funded. I tried funding it anonymously the other day, and he yelled at me.

SPEAKER_02 23:31

What's the progress yet? I have a check to pull it up right now. So I I think we're I think we're almost 50%.

SPEAKER_05 23:39

Uh just about 1800. So almost 50.

SPEAKER_02 23:42

Almost 50. Yeah, I appreciate you guys. Thank you so much. Yeah, Enoch. Come on, man. Yeah, going back to what you were saying, Anthony. If you don't mean piggybacking off of that, um, I think what's happening on X at least, from what I've seen, as a person outside looking in, because I'm not on there, I don't post as much, but I do read a lot. You if you look back at the the when the the the the Spanish, um, what was it, the um the those who were ministering to the I think the minister? Yeah, they they really fed them physically before they gave them the faith. Yeah, and I think that's how they own their trust. The quad did the same thing when when when when you fed them the fish and the um and then the bread. And what I'm seeing is if you are active on Twitter, which a lot of people are, you do see a lot of Catholics, uh, especially brothers, grabbing at one another and fighting like we do as brothers.

SPEAKER_05 24:42

But man, never fight with other Catholics on this show. What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_02 24:48

As soon as somebody is facing some type of trial, we come together. Yeah, you saw it with Sarah, Sarah Grant. This this is, I think today was her third third year anniversary of her of her passing.

SPEAKER_05 24:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:00

Um, you know, you saw it with just you know uh Dr. Dr. Brees. So I think people seeing that also contributes to being like, hey, maybe these guys are not that bad. I want to join this club where like you know, they can you know they can go pound for pound with one another, but when when somebody's down, they they they just back them up. So, you know, the more that happens, I think the more we we end up winning souls.

SPEAKER_03 25:24

Yeah, yeah. I think man, it's uh especially in this digital world though, like the lack of community. I think when people do see like somebody gathering around somebody that's in trouble, and you you you should do it with anybody, but especially when you see another Catholic is is in need, we all really should rally around that person, but yeah. Um, yeah, it's uh and then the other one, but yeah, because uh there was one other clip I think I put in there. I don't know if it was that different.

SPEAKER_06 25:51

No, I think it's the same clip. Well, maybe it's not play the other one, Rob. Let's see what it is.

SPEAKER_05 25:58

Okay, let me grab it here. The one from Danny?

SPEAKER_03 26:09

Yeah, play it. I don't know. I didn't even listen to this one, I just saw he put it up. Because Rogan's such an interesting test case because of the way he used to talk versus how he talks now, and it probably was probably was COVID that initially started it, and then but even even with um Jordan Peterson, uh like what what uh Enoch was saying about how like uh because I used to like Peterson because I thought he was kind of a gateway into Christianity, like he he took the biblical stories very seriously, and even when he would do his Bible lectures, they weren't theological, they were very like psychological, like he would do it from like a psychoanalytic way, and but he would talk about how Abraham, you know, he would do it from like a story arc kind of way, and how how if you follow this, if you follow these themes through scripture, like the the great adventure that Abraham goes on goes on, like the the challenge to go do something ridiculously difficult, and that's actually like the adventure of a lifetime, even though you're gonna hit obstacles along the way and they're gonna be super challenging. And I think it made people start like looking at the Christian story differently and not just writing it off as some crazy, stupid fairy tale from 2000 years ago, and this book is irrelevant, and then and even when you get to guys like Alex O'Connor now, who's still an atheist, but he doesn't engage Christians in the same way, he engages it in a much more serious way. I mean, he had Dr. Brant Petrie on, he, you know, he was talking, he's talking to people that he probably never would have a few years ago. So it I maybe these things are stepping stones into Christianity, or maybe Alex O'Connor is just trying to pull a Christian audience in. I don't know, it's hard to tell.

SPEAKER_05 27:56

Okay, we're ready to play it.

SPEAKER_04 27:57

Yeah, let's see. Christianity in particular is the most fascinating to me because there's this one person that everybody agrees existed that somehow or another had the best plan for how human beings should interact with each other and behave, and was the best example of it, and even died in a non-violent way, like it didn't even protest, died on the cross, supposedly for our sins. Like it's a fascinating story. It's a historically documented human being. That's where it gets weird, because there's a there's a universal depiction of what this human being was like that doesn't seem to vary that much between all the people that knew him. That gets weird. Who was Jesus Christ if it was a human being? What was that? That's wild. If you don't have something to believe in, if you're just relying on your whims and your, you know, whatever you think is the moral thing to do, you know, then you know what you get? You get those people that are unable to answer the question of whether or not you should protect an unborn fetus, whether or not they have human rights. No. No, no, they don't. They just like that's what you get. That's what you get when you have no religion. That's what I'm saying. I just think Rogue is looking around on a board. To dismiss all these stories as being useless. Totally. I just I I think they were trying to say something. The deeper you dive into it, the more interesting it gets. I used to love all that new atheist stuff. Me too. He's talking to a Jew.

SPEAKER_03 29:28

He's talking to a Jewish guy, huh? Right? That guy from trigonometry is Jewish. Yeah, I think that guy from trigonometry is Jewish for sure, but this is I don't know because like the the look, the fundamental question starts with is there a god? And if so, how would he reveal himself to us? And then the and then the next question is who was Jesus Christ? Like, who was he? And it sounds like Rogan's wrestling with that problem. I know, you know, you don't want to you don't want to elevate um uh like celebrities to all of a sudden being like you know the the emblem of Christianity or anything, but it is interesting that he I'd maybe vote for Shire for that though at this point. Yeah, I'll take Shy over Rogan any day. But it is interesting to see a guy with a huge platform of largely secular atheists watching his show, watching him grapple with these questions on a deeper level, and you never know what's like how many people are listening to that, and they're going, wait, maybe I should take this story a little more seriously.

SPEAKER_01 30:36

Yeah, I think his uh his surprise seems pretty genuine. He seems to be genuinely struck by the mystery of who was who was Jesus, why is he so consistent in history, and how is his message such a thing throughout history? I think his wonder is infectious. People are gonna be curious because of him.

Daily Wire Concerns And Hard Questions

SPEAKER_03 30:55

I think so too. Now, this is also a risk. Like, like that's there is that version of Jesus being presented, right? Like the this the that that's kind of the sanitized version that I worry about. I saw the I saw a clip of Frad and Brian Holdsworth today, where Holdsworth was talking about people uh accusing Matt of going to Daily Wire and selling out and going for the money. Like I never I never thought that was Matt's motives. Like, of course, money was uh, you know, uh an allure to go there, but I uh I kind of took it as Matt being ignorant of something larger that was at play there. And I do think that even with things like Hallow and bringing Catholics over to the Daily Wire, it's a very um, it's a very neutered version of Catholicism being presented that doesn't confront some of the tougher questions, especially the enmity between the old and new covenant and the enmity that exists between Jews and Christians. Like it's like it's almost like not that they'll even talk about it in a in a particular way, that they just won't talk about it and they won't discuss it. And I do think that's going to be one of the most pivotal questions going forward, so very talkative, I gotta tell you.

SPEAKER_05 32:17

I I just like like making an awkward silence for you, honestly.

SPEAKER_03 32:21

I don't you guys yell at me when I rant, and then I bring three people on, and I'm still alone.

SPEAKER_01 32:28

Terrible. Well, you you were going, I was letting you go.

SPEAKER_02 32:31

I'm just let him cook. Why do you think Matt went to Daily Wire, Anthony?

SPEAKER_03 32:37

I think that uh if I if I had to give an honest assessment, I think the podcasting is difficult, and I think it was very stressful. And I think Matt was getting to his limit of what he could handle, and because you can see he was losing his love for it, like and and I don't want to make accusations already, but I could almost see his heart wasn't in it anymore because it's just a lot of freaking work. Yeah, and I think he's somebody came to him and said, Look, we'll do all the hard work, all you have to do is talk because if all you have to do is talk, this is a pretty fun gig, it's pretty easy. So he was presented with, Look, we'll do all the hard work. All you have to do is come on and talk. You're just an on-air personality now, you don't have to do anything. That's a very tempting offer, right? And they're offering you to pay you more than you were ever making when you were doing the work on your own. So I think I never put bad motives on Matt. Like, I think that's it's a it's an easy, it's pretty easy answer for why he probably went there. My my thing was never that Matt did something evil or that Matt sold out. My thing was more that I think there's something bigger going on that Matt may not even been a may not even be aware of, you know. I mean, it's you see you got you got Michael Knowles over there too, but do you see I see the way Michael Knowles talks about that topic also? And it's it's in very political terms, like, well, we could support the state of Israel. I think they're trying to present a version of Catholicism that is still okay with supporting the state of Israel while still drawing a theological distinction and saying, you know, we can't say that there's two covenants there. They're just trying to present a kosher version of Catholicism where it's still acceptable for a Catholic to support the state of Israel. And my position is there's no scenario on earth where a Catholic can support the state of Israel like that.

SPEAKER_02 34:23

Very interesting. No, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:25

So when I think he has any uh Go ahead. I was gonna say, do you think he has any idea of uh maybe trying to work with Knowles and Walsh to try and convert Ben Shapiro?

SPEAKER_03 34:35

No, I have no idea what's going on behind the scenes. I really don't. I don't, it's not, but I would never accuse any of the three of them of being insincere Catholics. I think all three of them are very sincere Catholics and believe the faith. Like I would never ever question that. I think that there's just deeper things going on here, and it's uh it's I mean, it's it's coming out everywhere we look now. It's just the only thing that anybody's willing to talk about. And now we'll go in a war with Iran, and I don't think I think it was strategic to get Matt to come to the Daily Wire right before that. I mean, Daily Wire was seen as this Zionist outfit, so I think they had to improve their image. But bringing Matt over there was probably you know to try and take the attention off of some of the stuff Ben Shapiro was doing, especially after Candace.

SPEAKER_02 35:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:21

Candace leaves, right? And then yeah, I I I think I think it was it was probably uh an attempt at rebranding for Daily Wire, but it yeah, it was never I never put bad motives on Matt. I never like a lot of people accusing him of you know taking 30 pieces of silver and stuff like that. That's not I because Matt's show hasn't changed at all. Matt's doing the exact same thing, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:42

It's still boring as hell. It depends on the guest, I guess. Sorry, there's there's the clip, yeah. I um I went to seek and Matt spoke, and um you you can tell he's very sincere in his love for Christ.

SPEAKER_03 36:07

I agree, yeah, yeah for sure, for sure, absolutely, yeah. And even once he even went to the Daily Wire, like he made sure he's had like extra Catholic content, you know, like he's like really upping the game. Rob has always been bad cop. I don't know why.

SPEAKER_02 36:27

Rob, you're not wearing a sports clothes today.

SPEAKER_03 36:31

Oh my gosh, holy cow!

SPEAKER_05 36:35

That's an inside joke, but when we went to the conference in no, it's not you've told it 10 times, it's no longer you can tell it again the hope.

SPEAKER_03 36:43

Yeah, Rob, we were in North Carolina at the conference, and uh Enoch told Rob, he's like, Yeah, we're all wearing sports coats. You gotta wear a sports coat.

SPEAKER_05 36:52

We were going out to eat, and I thought it was gonna be a nice place.

SPEAKER_03 36:56

Enoch tells him, yeah, everybody's dressing up, man. You gotta wear a sports coat. Rob comes out, he's the only one wearing a sports coat. Enoch's a hoodie. It's actually pretty amazing.

SPEAKER_02 37:10

Me and Kyle, the hoodie. That was funny.

SPEAKER_03 37:13

Um, yeah, everybody hit like and subscribe. Um, uh, I think Enoch wants to get going. He's got uh he's got a project going on at his house with all the all the money from the fundraiser. He's redoing his house. I need some more cabinets, please donate. Uh yeah, please everybody donate to Enoch's uh fundraiser. Rob Rob has the link up in the channel.

SPEAKER_02 37:35

It's in the description.

SPEAKER_03 37:36

It's in the description of the show.

SPEAKER_02 37:37

Samuel's book, guys. Um, all right, and I I really appreciate everybody in here. You guys have the best audience out there, so I really appreciate you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 37:45

We appreciate you, brother. Hopefully, we will see you this summer when we do our conference. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. If you need help, let me know, brother. Yeah, we're gonna need a lot of help, man. Yeah, we have to know.

SPEAKER_05 37:54

Anthony decided we're gonna do this in six months, dude.

Planning A Conference Without Donors

SPEAKER_03 37:57

We'll get into we'll get into conference talk after Enoch and so all right, Enoch. All the best, brother. Thank you guys, God bless you. We'll see you. Um, yeah, we uh man, me and Rob are getting into trying to plan this conference, and holy cow, man, it is so I saw. Um, do you remember uh uh the first trivia show we had Steven on? Catholic comedy, yeah. Yeah, Stephen Garon, Catholic comedy. He put out a post otherwise known as um Chewbacca, Chewbacca, Chewbacca Steven put a tweet out the other day that said, Um, the reason conferences are so expensive is because of the speaker fees. And that is kind of that's not true, it's the food, guys. It is the food, it is not the speaker fees. The speaker fees are reasonable. You don't want to be cheap on the food though. But the thing is, you so if you want to have a conference with 300 people, let's say, you're planning a wedding, like it's essentially what you're doing. You're planning a big wedding, a 300 guest wedding, and especially if you want to do lunch and dinner. So it's like we're trying to figure out how like we would have loved to make the conference the cheapest conference ever. Like, we don't we're not trying to make money, it's just like, what do you do here? You have to so I always like criticize Michael Matt for charging 400 for his conference.

SPEAKER_05 39:20

Meanwhile, today Anthony realizes he needs to charge 300 if we're ever gonna have any open breaking even. Yeah, if you want to break even, you gotta hit 300.

SPEAKER_03 39:28

So, really, Michael Matt charging 400 isn't even unreasonable. The problem is, well, you have to do dinner, Molly. That's the thing, like you're saying don't do dinner, but like so. What we want to do with this conference is something unique, and we want we want to make it so it's not all day of sitting through tedious talks, and we want to do, we're gonna have like uh, like the the ideal lineup, which what we're aiming for right now is Keith Nestor, Joshua Charles, Brian Holdsworth, Mike, Enoch, Rob, and myself. That's the lineup we're hoping for. Um, and I think that's a solid conference, man. Like, that's gonna be a really fun time. But instead of doing hour-long talks where you're sitting there for eight hours, I'm gonna tell everybody do like a 25-minute yes, we're gonna do the recusit. We're not not recusive, we're gonna do the lobster shop lobster hand. Relax, don't worry, we won't.

SPEAKER_05 40:20

And knick neck, don't worry.

SPEAKER_01 40:21

We'll be if they take knick-nacks, they won't want as much food.

SPEAKER_03 40:25

Well, so so we want to do like 25-minute talks so that you're only doing like three or four hours of talks. Then we want to do a round table discussion with all the guys that were speaking there, and we want to do questions from the audience, but then the rest of the time we want to like hang out with everybody because I've gone to a bunch of these conferences where like I wanted to meet Bishop Schneider, or I wanted to meet this person, and the second they're done, they come in, they give a uh their their 40-minute talk, and then they're whisked away, and you don't even get to meet them. None of the guys that are speaking at our conference want to do that, they all want to hang out and spend time with the audience. So we want to do dinner, and then we want to have a cocktail hour, and we want to just spend time at yeah, Hitchborne 2. Hitchbourne 2. We want all the regulars on this show. Yeah, we'll we'll it's a Catholic conference, not a Baptist conference. There will be drinking. So we need we need a place that has dinner, and they also have to have a bar, like they have to have a bar so that we can all go out and have a cigar and have a drink together. We're also looking to it's gonna be for men and women, so we want it to be open to everybody. Um, we're maybe maybe shop lobster will sponsor, maybe they'll sponsor. We can't bring outside food or beverage, that's the problem. So, like, okay, so I'll give you guys an idea. Like the venue itself, they're like, Oh, it's 10,000 for the room, and then then 4,000 for this side room, and we're like the side rooms for vendors, for vendors, or we want to do maybe possibly child care. So, like, we want to invite people, and if you have, like, say you have two kids and you still want to come, you can't get a babysitter. It's like, we're gonna offer some kind of an option for child care. Rob's bringing his kids, Mike's bringing his kids. We figure we'll put all the women in the in the room, and you'd be able to sign your kid up for child care, and the husband and wife can come and watch the conference.

SPEAKER_05 42:15

These are just like this is like the the grand idea we're aiming for, and now we're gonna need to make that take it more expensive to pay for child care insurance.

SPEAKER_03 42:24

Oh man, that's crazy. Yeah, it's like the the amount of things that have to go into this are huge.

SPEAKER_05 42:30

So yeah, yeah, Molly knew right away she like what's the insurance like for yeah.

SPEAKER_03 42:35

I don't know if we're gonna be able to do it. It was an idea we were throwing around. We may not be able to do it though. So where are you planning on doing this? We want to do it in August. No, where in Chicago, oh, in Chicago at the organization at a Hilton in in Chicago. So the the idea is we um we we want to have the conference, we want to have it for men and women. We don't want it to be like a men's conference, and we don't, you know, it's not gonna be anything like that. We want everybody to be able to come. And we're so then when you get food involved, they were like, all right, so what if we just rent the room and we cater it from outside? Because you could probably feed 300 people from a catering hall for like 10 grand. Like, I had a party in my backyard and I was able to feed 100 people for like three grand. And I was like, All right, so so I'm I'm I'm asking the people, I'm like, okay, so if we rent the room, can we do outside catering? No, we don't allow outside food or beverage. I'm like, so then they send us the menu and and the options, and it's like, lunch is$70 a person, and dinner is$90 a person.

SPEAKER_05 43:37

And now you're looking at lunch plates for$40 for cold sandwiches.

SPEAKER_03 43:41

Yeah, and then and then on top of that price, they're like, and you get a 36% tax and gratuity charge. Then you have to pay$175 per person that's serving. And I'm just like, Holy cow, we're looking at a freaking insane wedding.

SPEAKER_01 43:55

Like, it's gonna cost$100,000 to do the conference. I mean, are you married to being in Chicago? Maybe that's The issue.

SPEAKER_05 44:00

Uh he wants it because it's the one place he's been that no he knows it would work.

SPEAKER_03 44:05

I know it'll work. It's it's uh it's the perfect venue for it. But what I think actually happens with these conferences is there's donors, right? So when when I went to the canceled priest conference, or if you go to Michael Matt's conference, they have donors that are like, hey, I'll throw 50 grand at your conference. So that that changes the whole dynamic. We don't want to do that, we never want donors. Like you get donors, and all of a sudden they're telling you what to talk about, they're telling you what speakers you have to invite, they're telling you what to do with your. We don't want that. So we're trying to figure it out for how do we do this and charge the least amount possible where we still want like you still have to pay the speakers to come, or they don't want to come. And we want to make it an event so good that everybody wants to come to the next one. So we're doing everything we can, but you I you know, we're gonna we're gonna we're doing this outside the normal channels that most of these Catholic conferences happen at. So we'll we'll figure it out. We're gonna try and get sponsors, we're gonna have vendors, we're gonna have to make up the money that way, and we'll we'll do that. Like, sponsors aren't donors, sponsors are different. If a if so if a company wants to sponsor our event and they say, Hey, I want you to do this, it's like, well, then go sponsor a different event. We're doing our event. You're not you're not giving me money for free. We also don't have a nonprofit, right? Like most of these places are set up as nonprofits so they could take these big donations, tax-free donations, and we can't do that. Yeah. So maybe we'll do maybe me and Rob will just fight locker boxing. There we go.

SPEAKER_05 45:39

Give the people what they want. The coast of the company finally won.

SPEAKER_03 45:46

I mean, if if anybody owns a company and they want to sponsor the event, we're open to it. If anybody has a company and they want to have a vendor's table, we're open to it. Like we're starting from scratch. Anthony's all about profit. There would, there, yeah. Yes, we're gonna have a chaplain also. Here's the deal: if it's if we sell 300 tickets, it's gonna be those speakers and we'll have a chaplain. If we sell 400 tickets, we're gonna try and get we're gonna try and get ripper there. Like if we could sell 400 tickets to this thing, we're gonna aim for Ripperger. And I think I think he might do it. I mean, I don't know. We still haven't asked him or even throwing it out. I mean, I don't know how busy his schedule is, but if you think he's got a full six months, but if it's not him, we'll get somebody else. Like, we'll get somebody else that's you know, I don't know. He's also like super famous now. He's not gonna talk to the riff rap anymore. He wants nothing to do with us.

SPEAKER_01 46:44

Yeah, he's been on Sean Ryan, he's made the big time.

SPEAKER_03 46:47

Um, the lineup is we're hoping for uh Brian Holdsworth, Joshua Charles, Keith Nestor, and then Enoch's gonna perform. Uh, I might MC it. I don't know if I'm gonna talk. I'm hoping Rob Rob's gonna present the talk, but I might just like MC the whole event, tell jokes. You guys have heard everything I have to say. Uh I'm gonna not even highlight that. We'll see. Yeah, yes, you will talk. I'll talk about the whole thing. There's no question of that.

SPEAKER_05 47:22

Anthony will stand up in the middle of someone else's talk.

SPEAKER_03 47:28

Yeah, that's a good, that's a good uh suggestion. I would I would definitely consider bringing Maudsley on. Yeah, I uh I got a message from Father Maudsley yesterday. Good. He uh I know you guys hate my rantings, but he seems to very much enjoy them. Did he like the Cavassos episode? He didn't tell me about that one. He he liked the episode where uh I explained Father Mudley wouldn't offer masks, he yeah, he wouldn't be our chaplain. I would love to have him there. I would love to just have him there. Um, but he he sent me a clip and he he asked if I would mind if he put it on his channel, he's gonna use it. And the clip he sent me was me talking about um how I think the hierarchy, the current hierarchy, is acting much like the Sanhedrin in their carnal reading of the scriptures. And uh he said, uh, here's a clip that I want to use. Uh that Anthony guy is worth listening to. I recommend you tune in. Avoiding Babylon is his channel. So we we love Father Mosley, always supportive.

SPEAKER_05 48:30

Um, Father Nix wouldn't do it. He can do private masses outside of his diocese, but not for a whole conference.

SPEAKER_03 48:38

Yeah, we're gonna have to get permission, and so it's gonna have to be a little, you know, it's gonna have to make it legit.

SPEAKER_01 48:43

Oh, in Chicago, permission from Cardinal Supic.

SPEAKER_03 48:46

Well, we could always just get Father James Martin there, he'll be our chaplain. There he is. This would work great. Um, the other thing is we're we're not going to name it Avoiding Catholic Inc. We were like that, we were throwing that name around because it would have been really funny, but I don't want to alienate um any of the speakers. Oh, you haven't already. Well, you mean you we don't want our speakers to be alienated to be alienated from from relationships, but there's also a chance we could get like a father Dan Rehill. Yeah, that'd be cool because Mike has connections with him, so it's also you don't know what these guys charge for speaking fake. Yeah, you know, like they like father father reheal might get 10 grand. Who knows? It's like we have no idea. He might do a favor for Mike and just come for whatever the other speakers are. I have no idea. We really don't know.

SPEAKER_05 49:40

But instead of seek, call it high.

SPEAKER_03 49:50

I don't know. We're throwing around like exiles in Babylon. Like, we wanted to have something to do with the channel name. Like, we're gonna do avoiding Catholic example. I was thinking like maybe exiles in Babylon or something like that, or I don't know, prodigal sons or something. I don't know. We'll see. We'll we'll we're gonna mess around with a name and then we'll come up with a theme for it, but it'll be fun, no matter what. Yeah, I should try and get Dolan, right?

SPEAKER_01 50:16

Um He's retired now, isn't he?

SPEAKER_03 50:23

Dolan, yeah. That's why you might actually be able to get him.

SPEAKER_01 50:26

I'm sure he'd be happy.

SPEAKER_05 50:30

Um we should we should do our sponsors, yes.

Sponsor Codes And Listener Q&A

SPEAKER_03 50:34

Okay, so nicknacks.com, and just so you guys know that everybody actually does buy Nick Knacks, Sam. I assume you see, I knew it. I didn't even I knew it. Our audience buys Nicknacks, nicknacks.com. Uh what'd they say about the 10% thing, Rob? Did you talk to them yet?

SPEAKER_05 50:52

Um not more than what I've shown you. Yeah, shoot them in the case. They had a couple ideas, they had 10%, um, 10% for everyone, uh, right at all times, but then they thought they could do a 25% code potentially for locals members. Ooh, right?

SPEAKER_03 51:13

I do like that. So maybe I'll reach out to them in a moment. And we're also for the conference, we're gonna give a discount to locals members. So if you want to come to the conference and get a discount, shoot over to locals also. Um, so nickneck.com use code AB25% for 25% off your first purchase. We're working on getting you guys who made your first purchase a deeper discount. So we're trying to get you guys an additional 10% off. Uh, go to nicknack.com. All of us are using, I've been handing them out at work, trying to get the guys at work hooked on them.

SPEAKER_05 51:44

I've given some of the coworkers too, actually.

SPEAKER_03 51:46

Uh yeah. No, uh, Nick Knack is a nicotine product, and nicotine is addictive. And I am basically the company drug dealer now, handing nicotine out to all the guys that typically use Zinn, and they come up to me like, yo, you got a Zen? I'm like, I got something better for you. And I hand them a whole box of Nick Knacks, and they go away. And now I'm hoping it's hoping they come back to me tomorrow. The other uh sponsor is shoplobster.com. I want to actually bra uh I'm gonna send it to the telegram. My wife made the picture somewhere lobster fraud Diablo yesterday. Diablo. It was probably the I mean, I felt I felt wrong to eat it on a Wednesday, but it was out of this world. Shoplobster.com. I just texted Rob and I said, tell them we need another another shipment. I'm more addicted to this lobster than I am to the to the to the knick knacks.

SPEAKER_05 52:41

At this point, we have eaten more money's worth of lobster for them than we've sold, probably.

SPEAKER_03 52:45

I think we may have. Guys, I'm not even kidding. It first off, it's like really fun. I threw it into the the telegram, Rob. It's like to try different things with it, like so. My wife just cut the lobster tails up. Dude, she just made chunks of lobster in the in a tomato sauce, dude. It was so freaking good. Um, yeah, we Rob and I don't even take money from them, we just take lobster. That's how good it is.

SPEAKER_05 53:12

I just just tell you a little money, though.

SPEAKER_03 53:15

A little, well, we get like a percentage of 10% of our household. Yeah, so guys, go there, use code AB10 for 10% off. I promise you, you will not be disappointed. You can use like just go on and look up lobster recipes. You can't imagine how easy it is to cook lobster.

SPEAKER_05 53:30

They have a lot on their website, too.

SPEAKER_03 53:31

A lot of recipes. Um, and in case of uh chaplains and arranging TLMs of obligation, you're going to have to find a discreet and trustworthy and influential priest, let them take care of it. Don, yeah, maybe Father Paracone. We could actually maybe ask ask Father Paracone. I do know people that can put me in touch with him. Somebody did leave a super chat. Let's see. We got a few. Rob was promised cheese. That's one of the that's one of the set is. Uh, is Sam's book The Revised Uh Vatican 2 Mattens or 62?

SPEAKER_01 54:03

Good question. So it's neither, it's the uh the readings from Matins as they would have been in 1955 before John the 23rd's revisions of 60.

SPEAKER_03 54:12

Oh, wow, that's interesting. So pre-55 Matins. Uh, you hear nothing yes? Yes, I did. I actually uh tweeted that clip out. We're gonna try and keep this stream. We're trying to stay away from that topic for an episode because I know Rob wants to kill me. Uh, question coming into the church this Easter. My wife head covers every day, and when I explained it to some people at church now, all their wives look at me like I hit her. Is it that odd in Catholicism? Uh depends what parish you go to. So uh he he means every day. I mean, I think it's always modest for a woman to cover her head. I don't think it's that crazy. No, uh but people may people may think that she has taken vows. Because typically it like the general population don't veil like in their everyday life, but I think modesty is a beautiful thing either way.

SPEAKER_05 55:02

It's not so much that it's not common in Catholicism, it's just not common in America, in America and like Western Europe, like Catholics in Eastern Europe, you know, probably cover their heads more often, um, as do obviously like the Orthodox in Eastern Europe. So I think it's more just uh it's fallen out of practice in the West in general.

SPEAKER_03 55:25

I noticed something else. Um, ever since Bobby started dating my sister, his super chats got a lot less. We used to get like$20 super chats from Bobby, and now he's throwing$1.99 super chats in, which means my sister not only stole my friend, she's now stealing our money. I'm a little sick of this. I'm not happy about it. Dating a woman can be dating a woman can be expensive. It is expensive. They tried to get me to go to Divine Liturgy Sunday. I was like, absolutely not. Get in the car, we're going to Latin Miss. Could be East versus West and the Abate. I'm not even, I'm not happy about this. I I won't go to the wedding if it's at a divine liturgy.

SPEAKER_05 56:02

You only have yourself to blame.

SPEAKER_03 56:06

Bobby, I talked to Bobby yesterday and he's like, dude, ever since I started dating your sister, I've visited Long Island three times. We haven't seen each other once. Like we we saw each other, but like we don't hang out. I was like, Don't worry, next time you come in, we're gonna do something together. Um, yeah. So when when he uh Bobby, I forgot to respond to your text. Uh I I saw it this morning, but I'll I'll I'll respond to you after. Um, all right. I think we're gonna wrap this one up. I think we're gonna skip locals tonight because Rob has sick kids. Um, I'm exhausted, and we just want to make sure everybody goes out and buys Samuel's book. Put the book up again, Rob.

SPEAKER_05 56:42

Yeah, okay. Give me a second. It's gonna take a minute. Uh while I put this up, um, I do plan on restarting the Lent to meditations. I just need another another day of not waking up at 5 a.m. because of sickhead. So so uh to won't be tomorrow, but hopefully Saturday. If I get a little sleep, I'll be able to do them again.

Why A Pre-55 Matins Lectionary

SPEAKER_03 57:07

Not just that. Um we will give you guys uh fresh locals content. Like, like don't you know? Well, I'll have something for you guys coming up on locals. I just I'm really not up to it tonight. This is a hard one for me tonight because I got what's crazy is when I get home early, I have a harder time doing the show. So when I get home an hour before the show, I come home, I jump in the shower, I eat something real quick, and I come down. I got home at like 4 p.m. today, and I got really comfy on the couch. And before the show, I was just like, I don't want to do this, I'm tired tonight. So the Matten's lectionary, the complete readings from the traditional Roman breviary. This is pre-55. Uh, and that's a pretty good deal, man.

SPEAKER_05 57:46

And honestly 40 bucks for uh nice hardcover is not nice, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 57:50

Nice hardcover and hardcover ribbon. What made you get into this, Sam? Like what made you uh uh go down this road?

SPEAKER_01 57:58

Good question. So this actually started off as uh just a personal project. So I used to be a diocesan seminarian, and once I discovered the Latin Mass, I started getting into the traditional bravery, trying to read the Matins readings every morning, and it really nourished my spiritual life. But I hated having to use my phone to do that. So yeah, a couple years after getting out of seminary, I decided, you know what, I've got free time. I'm going to try and make a printed version of this and start compiling things. Then I noticed the existing translations are all kind of clunky. So I thought, well, I'll use my Latin. We'll try and you know make a better translation, get it into one printed book. Uh, and someone told me when I was close to completion, talking about it, they said, Hey, you should get this published. This would be a cool thing.

SPEAKER_05 58:38

So, what why would someone buy this instead of just buying like um the Baronius uh took complete breviary?

SPEAKER_01 58:48

The Baronius Complete Brevery, uh, it's more than just Matins, it's a whole brevery, and it's$400.

SPEAKER_05 58:53

Oh, yeah, that's a good point. It's literally 10 times the cost. It's 10 times cheaper. It's it's is it it's three or four huge volumes, right?

SPEAKER_01 59:03

Uh, yeah, I think it's three, three really thick volumes, but it's that's it's really cool. That's the one I started off on when I started doing the traditional bravery, but that's not cheap.

SPEAKER_03 59:12

But like getting getting up and waking up in the morning and just doing mattens is probably such an amazing practice just to start your day off with prayer and praying with the church. Like it's probably it's probably just such a good spiritual practice to do. I mean, for everybody that does that, like I struggle just even praying my rosary, but if I if I could just wake up, yeah, that's crazy. There's the broni. Yeah, there you go. 400. That's cool.

SPEAKER_01 59:36

And the another thing that this says that Baronius's bravery does not is Bronius' Brievery is the 1962 version, uh, which is missing two-thirds of the readings.

SPEAKER_07 59:44

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_01 59:46

Yeah, John the 23rd removed two-thirds of them in 1960 to make it shorter, easier to pray for clerics, so it made sense. But at the same time, he said, Hey, you know, priests should still read these patristic readings somewhere, and there was no supplement ever put out for that. So this kind of is that.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:01

So, what does so Mattins includes obviously scripture, right? But what like when you say patristic readings, what is what does it have in there?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:10

So, uh, so if there's a saint's feast day, there's going to be the life of that saint, or if it's a feast in which it's not life of a saint, like dedication of a church or something, it'll be a history of that thing. Um, and for every feast, or most feasts, there's also going to be a little snippet of the gospel of the day and something by one of the church fathers about the gospel of the day, a reflection on it.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:34

I gotta say, man, I'm really like really touched by how supportive everybody is of this project of yours. Like, you have a you have a lot of Sam fans. Um, Sam's Sam's been around for a very long time. Yeah, he's been I mean, he's he he used to slay in the chat on um Trivia nights on Trivia, and it was like who was it that came in that started doing really good too? That gave you a run for your money.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:02

Uh was it between well there's br there was Brandon who was yeah, who came on? Came on once. There was Tobias Sam, obviously. Um not sure.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:15

I thought it was White Wolf. No, not White Wolf. No, not White Wolf. Get the heck out of here. It wasn't white wolf, he was terrible.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:23

He was too busy playing as Hitler and Axis and allies.

Trivia Memories And Final Wrap

SPEAKER_03 1:01:26

Yeah, no, there was somebody why can't I remember? Uh oh man, are we gonna have to bring back trivia? It was four years ago.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:37

Yes, you have to bring back trivia, it's great.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:40

It was fun, it was fun trivia, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:44

It was like uh you should get hitchbourne on trivia.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:47

Oh we did like there was a time where we were getting like other Catholic podcasters to be like one guest of of the many that we would have, and uh been a while since I've seen Faith in the chat, yeah. Faith. Um, it's been a long time, but it was a fun way to get our channel started because it was different than anything anybody else was doing, and it was a good reason to invite people on and get guests of you know that were that were doing Catholic commentary at the time to just get them to come on and have fun, and the whole thing was just making fun of each other, like oh hold on, I have an idea for the conference.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:24

Live trivia there Friday night, live trivia, live trivia would be fun.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:30

That would be fun. So the oh well, the other thing is so the conference is gonna be on Saturday. Um, it's gonna be on Saturday, but we're gonna be there Friday. We're not doing like a VIP charge or anything, but anybody that comes in Friday, we're hanging out Friday night. So if yeah, we're not like because the idea was thrown out hey, should we do like a VIP thing? It's like, no, we're gonna be there Friday. If anybody wants to come Friday night, we'll be there Friday night, we'll hang at the bar. It's gonna be, I'm assuming there's gonna be a lot of people driving in for Saturday morning if they're local enough. Like, even if it's a four or five-hour drive, people will probably be driving in. But if you get there Friday night, we're gonna just we're gonna just be out hanging out all night on Friday night. So um is considering trivia. I knew Latin Slavs is a false anti-trivia. Rod never surrendered the munis.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:20

Because we did pass it on to them.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:21

We tried, though those guys just suck, they don't know their catechism, man. Converts that don't know the faith, it was terrible. Um, yeah, we I would have liked to pass the baton to somebody who would have treated it with reverence. It would have been funny, you know what I mean by reverence, not like actual reverence, but like carried the tradition of how we did the show because our trivia was different than anybody else's.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:47

So well, it's like uh whose line is it anyway, where the points don't matter.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:53

Yeah, it didn't like I don't care how good you are. I would it would the one of the most fun parts of it was giving the prize to somebody who sucked. Like just picking some random person, be like, You're the winner tonight. Oh man. Oh, this guy's really uh yeah. Faith and film was fun too. We'll have to maybe bring that series back. Maybe we'll get uh different guests on for it. We'll get Father Nick's back too. Yeah, some I mean, anybody that like from our audience that wants to start a trivia channel, like we'll we'll help you, we'll help you promote it. We'll come on as guests. You just gotta you just gotta have it in you to be the host and and follow my advice, not Kyle's. Remember when Kyle hosted it? He picked the hardest freaking questions in the world. Nobody knew the answer to any of it.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:41

It was the worst episode of trivia ever. At that point, he knew he wanted to be a Vatican digital missionary. Yes, it certainly is.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:51

All right, we're gonna wrap this one up, man. We will see you guys on Tuesday. We'll come back with some good stuff. This is a good question, and we don't have the answer for you yet because we're no, but what we're gonna do is we're gonna do a pre-sale and we'll offer a discount on pre-sale, and we'll also offer a discount on locals members, locals members. Oh, locals members will get a discount, and then uh we'll do like a short pre-sale thing. We'll give it like a two-week shot. If anybody wants to wants to come, we'll give you guys two weeks to get the discount. So we still have to figure out what that's gonna be. And yeah, there's still a ton of details. We have a meeting with Mike tomorrow, Mike Pantile, and we're gonna try and hammer some of these details out. I the first quote we got from this place was so astronomical. I was just like, absolutely not. So I called them back and I'm kind of negotiating with them to see if uh we might do like a boxed lunch and then we'll do a buffet for dinner. Maybe that'll bring the price down a little bit. We're working on it, guys. We're working on it. It's gonna be a legendary conference, and uh, you're gonna get the uh it's gonna be different than any other Catholic conference. That's all I'll tell you. So uh go buy Sam's Abreviary uh and join us on Tuesday night. We will see you guys next time. Right.