Traditional Latin Mass Ban Is Ending? Leo & Parolin Drop Bombshells (Full LOCALS Version)

The Vatican may be signaling a truce in the liturgy wars, and we can’t ignore what that could mean for the Traditional Latin Mass after Traditionis Custodes. We walk through fresh reporting and rumors around Pope Leo’s desire to de-escalate divisions, then ask the real question underneath it all: how do you stay Catholic when the hierarchy feels messy, the internet feels weaponized, and every side demands total loyalty?

We get honest about the tug-of-war between “wait and see” prudence and the urge to go scorched-earth on Church leadership. We also talk about why factional thinking can get spiritually dangerous fast, especially when Catholics start treating other Catholics as outsiders. If serious persecution ever hits, nobody is going to sort us by online labels, and we’ll need unity, sacraments, and clarity more than performative rage. That’s where Scripture comes in too: we revisit Genesis 3:15, the idea of enmity in salvation history, and why some people find their faith strengthened, not weakened, when the story of the Bible explains the madness of the moment.

Then we zoom out into the wider culture: why platforms reward conflict clips over deep work, what Bishop Barron’s “Gen Z discovers the Latin Mass” moment gets right, and how myth and story (Tolkien included) can carry Christian truth without turning into a lecture. We even hit the strange overlap between UFO talk, “aliens,” and a classic Christian view of spiritual warfare, plus why exorcism conversations keep showing up in mainstream media.

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Transcript

Breaking News On Latin Mass Policy

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Breaking news, Cardinal Perilin, one of the architects of Traditionus Custodas, indicates the Vatican plans changes and that Pope Leo wants to de-escalate the divisions and avoid turning the liturgy into a battlefield.

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It's over.

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But you can't help but love it.

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One was um Pope Leo told the French bishops. It was so cringe. Like that one friend in the friend group that's a retard, but you love them for it. It's so dumb. It's like, um, so Pope uh Pope Leo supposedly told the French bishops um to like chill with the hostility towards the the Trads. And uh Jim said, I'm just upset I wasn't at that head of the table. So um, yeah, so I uh all right. I'm gonna say yeah, Leo told the French bishops basically like let's calm down with the hostility towards the Trads and let's try to find a place for those who go to the Latin Mass. Uh, and then we have this article that uh Nico Limba, I think that's how you say his name, uh, that uh he put out in the Catholic Herald that Parallelin is uh saying that Leo wants to stop making the uh the Latin Mass the uh a source of division. Like the you know he doesn't want the liturgy wars anymore. I think enough people have gone to Leo at this point and begged him for mercy that he's just like, all right, what am I gonna do here?

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Trey's heard about almost nothing else his whole first year of his pontificate.

Social Media Rage And Sede Temptations

Unity Under Pressure And Persecution Fears

How Saints Critique Leaders Carefully

Genesis 3:15 And Reading Current Events

Empire Spectacle And Tech Deception

Vatican Ambiguity After The Council

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Basically, I think everybody's gone in and just been like, please give us the Latin myth. So I've been like teasing the sets all week, saying try to ink one, the wait and see approach one out. It's like it's so dumb, it's so absurd. What's dumb is the responses you've been getting. Oh my goodness, man. Well, honestly, so what I've been doing is I lay out like sete bait, and some some people get the joke, the ones that don't, and they act irrational. I just mute them. I just mute them. So, like, there's all these, and I now I know I it's like I lure them in, and the ones that act like idiots, I'm just like, all right, mute, mute, mute, mute, mute. You could block them. Getting it getting a block from like an account your size will like kill their each. I yeah, I guess I don't I don't even care too. It's like the it's just um part of my concern with with some of the sede stuff is like uh it muted me for defending Rob. Did I? It might have maybe nobody I don't like when people take Rob's side of a moon. Um part of part of what I worry about with the the whole sede thing is um division and like sewing division and and stuff and hostility towards the hierarchy. It's not like because I want to make it clear, like I don't like there's nothing about these men that I will defend. Like, there's nothing. I don't I don't even want to like downplay the idea that you know I don't I don't want to say it was no big deal what Leo was doing in South America, like none of that stuff is I don't take any of that lightly. Like idol worship is the number one thing that God like punishes his people for. The the thing is that if there's if you look back to the first century, the Christians when they're facing persecution, the way they actually survive it is by finding other Christians, and the way they do that is like they they draw the the half of the fish in the dirt, the the excess and somebody else draws the other half. And what worries me about the Sede uh position is that they don't consider people that go to the Novus Ordo Catholic, and that's a dangerous proposition because what you're talking about is if there's ever if there's because I worry about our country, especially now that there's been so many foreigners flooded in, what it does is it lessens cohesion, and you're you're not going to trust the people who don't look like you. So you want to have as much cohesion as possible. So I think these groups that come in and they start sowing division amongst the Christians, it's kind of dangerous because if you're ever in a situation where food runs out, because especially look like you see what's going on in Iran, supply chains get cut off, all energy resources get cut off. Now all of a sudden you have some kind of a famine. And, you know, if you had a famine back when you were in uh a cohesive society, in you know, just like uh a homogenous society in Europe in the Middle Ages, you don't worry about your neighbor coming in and killing you for your food. You work together as the best you can, but when you have neighbors that you don't know and everybody's so separated from each other, that gets dangerous. So you want to have as much cohesion within the Catholic communion as possible. So now if you have if you have this group of settings, it's almost like a converso movement where there it really is, yeah. To show division, right? And to to break us apart, and and that that's what really worries me about it. Because we could talk about like the issues that are going on in the hierarchy, we could talk about all this stuff, but when you start cutting people off and things like that, now if a persecution comes, I promise you, they're not coming looking for the SETI's, the true Catholics. Like, that's not what it's gonna be. Yeah, they don't care about those two or three. They don't even care about you guys, they're gonna come looking for all of us. It's gonna be who's Catholics the FBI wasn't in set a independent masses, guys. No, they weren't, and the they they're going to come looking for like all Catholics, right? Like the the church is going to face persecution, and if that happens, you don't like I I can't there's a there's an area where I could envision them aiding it because it's like well they're not real Catholics, so who cares? Like say say, um say the Democrats are whatever win in 2028 and start real persecution. You know Mike Lewis is gonna sell a lot of right-wing Catholics out. Yeah, well, that's you also know that that you're right, that the CETA's are kind of just the inversion of that, they'd still do it just from the other side. It's just so I so I really do worry about so the the reason I it's like it's not that I I'm just silent on the hierarch hierarchy. I'm just silent on it. And if you go back and you look at the um like the saints, what what they tell they it's like you gotta be cautious pointing the finger at people, like but it's not like I have it's not like I think they're good men like I think these people, I think these people in the Sanhedrin, man. It's not it's a very uh it's a very it's a I don't know. I'm I've just been thinking about it a lot. I haven't I don't I don't I don't want to pop off at the mouth like I used to and um but even things like whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa are you suggesting like you actually put thought behind your words now? Uh it's not that I I mean I do say things outlandishly, don't get me wrong, but I am very I know I know about cautious about the the more serious things, and I'm like it's man, it's like it's I mean, look, my my archbishop. I I I saw Michael Matt put out a video talking about the Archbishop Bishop of New York, he's quoting Jay-Z in his you know, in his inauguration installation mask. Clearly did not watch our video about black music, which right going over super well. But the but the thing is, like these men don't even I don't they're they're just horrible. So I don't know, but I also don't want to so I don't want to put put doubts in people's minds because I do think this stuff takes place in the true church, and it's um very similar to when like during the passion, 11 of the 12 apostles run, they run from fear of the Jews. So, like all these conversations carry Prajon Bowler is like Cardinal uh Bishop Barron and Cardinal Dolan. How could you be afraid? It's like how are you surprised by this? I mean, this is the story of this is the story that the bishops are afraid of the Jews, and they and like they'll they'll talk on certain topics, but they won't, you know, they'll they'll say things that are safe, they're always going to be afraid to to say something really, you know. This is what we I I caught crap for when I said after the council, it's like all of the all of the popes are afraid to proclaim Christ, right? And people came down on me like I was saying some something schismatic there, but it's just reality, these men, they're afraid. Yeah, I don't know how anyone can argue that that's wrong, honestly. Like, come on. These men are just afraid, and uh so I I I watched um I watched an interview with uh Dr. Uh Haugen, Haugen, I don't I don't know how to pronounce his name. Uh Dr. Doug Haugen, Dr. Deepstate, basically. Watch an interview with him. It was really kind of interesting. He he talks about we're gonna and I I reached out to him, we're getting him on. I have a uh have a phone call with him tomorrow, and we're gonna try and set something up. It'd be pretty cool to get him on Tuesday before we enter the trituum. Because we have Father Maudsley coming on tomorrow, we're gonna talk about the liturgy, and then I'd like to get Dr. Deep State on Tuesday if it's possible, and kind of just lead us into this trituum to really understand the enmity. Because um, did you happen to listen to the clip with uh Sam Shamoon, the 30-minute clip that I put up that uh the the seed of the woman and the seed of uh the serpent? No, Rob from Genesis 315. That is a that is a prophecy about everything we're seeing today. It's so the seed of the serpent and the seed of the woman, like I'll I will put enmity between you, your seed, and this and the and the woman's seed, right? And now we kind of have gone over that a million times, and you just kind of brush over it, but that ends up the seed of the serpent ends up being Cain's uh seed, right? Now Cain dies in the flood. So Jesus, when he's talking to the Pharisees and he's telling them your father was a murderer from the beginning, your father ended up. He's that's a link to Cain. They are the seed of Cain. Okay, and it Sam Shamoon took us on this journey that was like showing us explicitly how from the beginning this enmity was proclaimed from the book of Genesis that there would be enmity between the seed of Cain and the seed of the woman, and everything we are seeing today is the culmination of that. Like this topic, I know everybody's exhausted from it, but when it's discussed right, it's done so much to like increase my faith because things are so crazy in the church that I know, guys. I saw it in the chat before we started. He has a whoa, whoa, whoa, Mrs. Casey. I know we talk about the Jews a lot, but we don't have any SS episodes, okay? So listen, don't listen to the whole episode. It's two and a half hours if it's too much for you. But we put the clip up the seed of the serpent and the seed of uh the uh of the devil, right? Rob posted that clip. It's got it doesn't have that many views on it, it's because it's too long, it's too long. But I didn't I wanted to make sure we put that clip out to reference it to people so that they could go and check it out. Because when you see it in scripture, how this whole thing was laid out from Genesis, it it makes the makes scripture come alive and it makes so much sense of where we are today and everything we're facing. So I I reached out to Dr. Deep State because I'm listening to this interview, and he's talking about how we're going through a transition of empire right now, and he's talking about uh spectacle, like the spectacle of empire, and how the crucifixion itself was a spectacle of empire, like it's a spectacle of the power of the empire, crucifixion. Yeah, it's like a triumph, you know, like that sort of spectacle. So he brings that into Saint Stephen and talks about Saint Stephen, and then he and then he talks about how Christendom gets laid out, and then the first transition of empire you get is right after the Reformation. And at the Reformation, at that point, you get you go from Christendom to Pax Britannica, where it's basically the English Empire goes and colonizes the world, right? And they're all over, and the British Empire is everything we see today, is essentially the remnants of the British Empire. America is formed from that British Empire, and he's talking about how we so we go from Christendom to um Pax Britannica, and what we're going through right now is also a transition, and that transition is Pax Judaica, and what comes along with Pax Judaica is everything's artificial, and it has to do with these devices, and it has to do with artificial intelligence, and has to do everything is about deception, and one of the biggest problems we're facing in the church right now is because at the council the church starts blurring the lines about this enmity that we've been talking about on our show, which is it's it's been this pretty wild journey that you and I have been on because it has to do with conversations with Father Maudsley, has to do with conversations with uh like all these different people that we've talked talked to that kind of like light up another little light bulb that we're talking about. Then all of a sudden, uh we see the uh the Philos project happen, we see Matt Frad go over to the Daily Wire, and like you and I just kind of had this sense that this thing is really strange, what's happening right now. And it it led into our conversation on Romans 9 through 11, and it's kind of culminating in everything we're seeing now. But that conversation with Sam where he showed how this enmity was spoken of from the book of Genesis and what happens at the council. This is another thing with the sedes that troubles me is that and also I put out a post today talking about how there's no there's no angel investor or wealthy Catholic that will get behind people like us who make this deeper kind of content on this subject, right? And you have so when when I went down to Florida, I like the whole purpose of me going down there was that I was hoping to meet donors and stuff, right? And the the donors that are around, they'll support a guy like Altman because he's out there trashing Pope Leo, they'll support websites and post 30-year-old photos. Like that, and that's where these donors will put their money, and then they'll go hobnob at these grand galas, and and they'll put the you know, and it's Catholics for Catholics down and down. I'm not knocking any of these people. Like I met John Yep when I was down there, he's a really nice guy. I'm just saying this is where they're all putting their money. They want a hobnob with the politicians and they want a hobnob with the the famous Catholics and stuff. And I was hoping to go down there, hoping somebody actually is paying attention to what we're doing because what we're doing, I think, is important. But it's not, it's it's it's going over everybody's head, except for you guys that actually stick around and listen to the stuff that we talk about. Like the regulars who are watching our show, you know, as much as you guys break our chops that we talk about this a lot, you guys actually have a good understanding of this stuff, and it should be strengthening your faith because this enmity is so important. And and what happens at the council is the church starts to blur the teaching on the enmity. And with no suretate, like, yeah, you can put it up on a whiteboard and say, technically, I'll find a way this works. Because technically, the church doesn't uh change her teaching, but what comes from that, and I said this even when when E. Michael Jones came on, I said, I don't care what the document itself says, what I see is what they're doing in Rome with these Assisi meetings, and they're bringing all these different religions into Rome, right? So, no matter what the document itself says, it was ambiguous enough that it blurs the line and it blurs the teaching on this enmity that is so important because it gets us to put our guard down about the Jews, and we no longer are suspicious of them, and they have nothing but suspicion for us. And they've been trying it for 40 years already. You see conversations in the 20s between you know the Jews and who that have been, Popeye. Uh you're saying you're saying 40 years before even the council, 40 years before the council, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It would have been what Pius the 11th, probably, I think, in the 20s. Uh the Jews are trying to get him to change the Good Friday prayer all the way back then. And he's like, No, absolutely not. Yeah, it's like it's like they needed they needed that event happened in the 40s to happen. Yeah, they they they did, and that so look when when when Father Father uh Maudsley starts coming on, like I it's like me and Rob were so nervous to talk about it at that time, right? We were like, Oh my goodness, you can't talk about the Holocaust, you know. And the more I listened to him and the more I talked with him, the more I was like, Holy cow, this is actually like I couldn't understand why he was doing it. And then I'm like, man, this is actually pretty important. And then all of a sudden, you you get locked in, and you're like, Oh my goodness, this is the big lie that gets everybody to go. At least the big story. It's the the the big narrative that gets put through, yeah, that gets everybody to let their guard down, and everything, and everything the whole world changes at that point, and it like even conversations about the alien deception with Daniel O'Connor, like all of the all these different people we've had on have just influenced the way I think about this topic. And I man, I I don't I don't know how uh I don't know how to avoid it, right? So, like before we came on the show, me and Rob were like, like, what do we do on this? Because Rob, like we want to make sure we don't give you guys burnout. Um and we you know, I don't want to give Rob burnout because I have a form of ADD, like I don't have ADHD, I do not get hyper when my mind is not engaged, it turns off. I get bored, and then I literally will fall asleep. Yeah, and like even someone who only watches you know a third of our videos, like a lot of the stuff will seem semi-new to them, but you know, you and I have had this a conversation around these lines, like weekly for two two years. So it yeah, if we can make it new somehow, that would be great. Well, well, okay. So last Sunday I go to mass, right? And I open my missile. Do you have uh do you have a 62 missile? Yeah, right by me. All right, can can you open to um to Passion Sunday, which was last Sunday, and just like right before you start Passion Sunday, though it gives you like this little synopsis, like uh right at the top of uh of the proppers for that day. So Passion, it was Passion Sunday last week. Okay, so what am I looking for? Like right at the top of the proppers, like before it starts, it kind of gives you like a synopsis of what we should be thinking about. If it's the same missile. Well, which missile was it? I was I was using the SSPX one, I think. Okay, I have that one. You have that one? Yeah, the SSPX one I think I use. That's Angelus Press, right? Yes, yeah, I think that's the one I have. I don't have a pre-55 missile. I gotta get one. Passion Sunday. Hold on. When did I offend Margot? Uh, last show. Not you. Oh, it was the audience. Oh, somebody in the audience offended Margo. I don't even know, like um, like right under where it says Passion Sunday. Yeah, it's like re-read that little synopsis right there. The mass of Passion Sunday is full of the thought of the Passion of Jesus and of the infidelity of the Jews, whose place in the kingdom of God was taken by those who were baptized, that is to say, by Christians. From this day until Maudi Thursday, the masses of the season, the psalm Judica Utica May. Well, you'll kid it. That doesn't matter. You see what I'm saying, right? Like, you see, you see how, like, you're like, all right, we all right, let's stop talking about this. Then I open my missile on Sunday, and it's like, we should be reflecting on the passion of Jesus and how the Jews betrayed him, and how the Jews betrayed him, and the kingdom of God was taken from them and given to the baptized. Uh, in other words, the Christians took the kingdom of God. And I'm like, man, it's everywhere. I don't know what to do. Like, we have to talk about this because it's this is why the liturgy is actually really important, right? And what did I knock the camera over? Yeah. This is why the liturgy, and this is why so we're gonna have Father Maudsley on tomorrow, and we're most likely going to discuss the liturgy, but I also want to get I want I want to I want to ask him what his what his approach with the hierarchy is. I want to ask him I want to ask him if he's seen us do anything that he disagrees with. Like, I don't look, you're talking about two uneducated guys trying to tackle one of the most one of the most complicated topics in Christianity that our own hierarchy won't touch. Yeah. It's not, it's not a you know what I mean. So like we're doing our best with it, and I'm I'm trying to figure this stuff out as I go, and you know, I'm I'm working a day job while I do it, and I'm trying to trying to learn stuff and and and figure this out, but it's a very dense topic, but I I don't know, it's one of those things where once you see it, because we talked about this too early on. This is what I thought too. Like, hey, come on now. No, I uh I know, but I do 90% of you do pillar on here, so it's like um no, so okay, like you you are educated and you actually have like a ton of knowledge. I don't have a lot of knowledge, I like I stretch things, right? Like, I I try to have I try to take the things that you're teaching me, and I try to play play those out and see where I can take those and things like that. Like, that's why our we have a very complimentary show because it's very different talents that we have. So, where you'll teach me something and I try to apply it, like apply what you just taught me to other things that I've learned, and yeah, you they always bring coherence eventually. Yeah, you idiots are the ones watching it every episode, so I don't want to hear it. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's not call the people paying us idiots, please. I mean, they're paying us, they must be idiots. Speaking of people paying us, we should get to our sponsors eventually. Um, yes, we will, we will, we will. Um, so um yeah, yeah, exactly. What wait, what did Adrian say about he called you the iod savant of the Jewish question, or or of uh older brother typology or something, right? Um, but what's it what's interesting is like all the stuff we've talked about with typology. What I was listening to with Dr. Deep State, he was studying the saints, and it's not different, it's not it's not like he's he's giving he's he's studying what the saints said. So he wrote this book like the saints of the apocalypse, and he's studying what all the saints said about this stuff. And he's the saints are deriving the same stuff that we are from our different conversations on scripture, and it's not it's not like we're coming up with it, like we're getting it from other nothing. I come up with is totally original, maybe maybe putting it together for different sources. Somehow we find a saint that's in it, yeah. But it's it's more like getting things from different sources and putting them into something coherent. It's not like I've never seen anywhere where it's kind of laid out like we're laying it out, but it's you get a bit of information from this guy, a bit of information from this, a bit of information from that. And that's how like the narrative ends up laying itself out. But everything he's talking about with the saints maps up exactly how uh on the things that were and not just on the not just on the enmity, but on the fact that this takes place in the true church. And I think Rob and I have always kind of felt like part of what we're doing here is making sure people don't lose their faith and they stay in the church and they stay in the sacraments because it's very easy to see what's going on in the church, and you see a life site news article, and it's like Leo is worshiping idols, and you go, Oh my gosh, this can't be the real church. What do I do? And I leave. And I think that's a tragic, tragic error. Like, I think that is that is that that is like lose your faith kind of mistake stuff. So I think that's what we're trying to do here. My my position on Leo loosening restrictions on the Latin mass isn't like, oh, let's wait and see, and maybe Leo will come out and be the good guy. Like my position is Leo is going to be Peter during the passion because that's what all the popes have been since the council. There, we're going through this passion, and we're like, I'm I if this isn't the great apostasy, I don't know what the great apostasy looks like. It might be a small one or something, I don't know, but it's not good, whatever's happening. So I don't expect Leo to ever be this guy who fixes everything. I expect him to um I I hope so. I hope so. Well, um, look, there's man, because me and Rob kind of had this we'll be drinking better alcohol during it's a lent. No, because me and Rob did have this conversation behind the scenes the other day. He's like, I don't know, man. Sometimes it feels like like the show used to be edifying and like that, and then sometimes we go down these dark roads, and and Rob has a a way different temperament than I do, right? So yeah, if we're catching a lot people that watch get that at this point, yeah. So well, if we catch a lot of pushback from comments and things like that, like it hits Rob way different than it hits me, especially if like the like the some of the more awful people are coming at us. It's like I have it, I have a way of just going, I don't give a crap. Not even so much that just like the topics themselves, the topics themselves, like during Francis, you know, like it was like a year of just utter crap, you know what I mean? From from Francis and stuff, and it was it uh it it really wore, you know, it wore on me. And I know I know it wore on you too, but like our temperaments handle it differently, yeah. Yeah, I so it's it we're just doing what we can to try and figure it out. So yeah, so Rob was like, I don't know, man. It's just like it got it got part of the reason Rob took that week off is because it he just needed a little like break from it. It's like this is just like I just like everything we're talking about is doom and gloom. And it's like he's got he just lost his grandmother and his his uh his kids were sick. It's like, dude, just take a week, like just chill out for a week and I'll be fine, don't worry. And and um then he forgot to do a local show on one, and then we're local subscribe. Well, I didn't forget it was I was so tired, Rob. Like, I know I was just so tired. But honestly, like when you're not here, the show isn't the same, it really isn't. Like, even with a guest, like, all right, so when we have a guest, um Rob's like paying attention to the chat, and he's assuming I got the conversation going. So, like, even the even the episode we had um Enoch and uh uh what's his name? Uh yeah, so he he came on the show to promote his book, and like I stopped talking, and Rob's Rob's assuming they're in the conversation, but what happened was they were reading the chat too. So I'm the J the JQ is the Jewish question. The Jewish question, yeah. Um, so I'm talking, expecting the two guests to be listening to me and ready to respond, and they're reading the chat. So I stopped talking, waiting for a response, and all three of them are silent. But Rob's the one highlighting comments and stuff, like that's actually Rob's job. Plus, when a guest, like when a guest is on, like, I want them to speak, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, unlike some people who I kind of guide the conversation too, though, right? So it's like I mean, if you if you have something to jump in with, of course, but like generally you're letting me, you know, guide the conversation and take it where I want and stuff. But when the guest is this, this happened with Joshua Charles that night. When Joshua Charles is like, I'm trying to have a conversation with him, and he's like looking at the chat. It's like, dude, that was such a dumpster fire, but in the funniest way possible. Well, it was funny for the people watching the show live. You got so frustrated. That's why it was funny for me. You were so upset, dude. Uh, because I want uh me and Josh had this amazing con. He's gonna be so bad. I'm talking about this again. He's like, You don't let anything go ever. But it's just bringing it to the text, it's bringing it to the point. Like, it's uh because when you're not here, I don't pay attention to the chat. Because if I pay attention to the chat, I'm disengaged from the conversation. It's very difficult to stay engaged in a conversation and pay attention to the chat at the same time. So especially because anyone who doesn't use stream yard doesn't know, but like I have the chat up in StreamYard so I can click it, but not everything that actually gets put, like I also have the YouTube chat itself up over here so I can do moderation actions. Like, so I'm literally actually watching the same chat about five seconds apart in two separate spots while trying to talk to Anthony. Yeah, so it's it's a tricky thing, yeah. So it's like you you do need somebody to manage what Rob's doing. But yeah, it's it's like so so that's what happened that episode. So yeah, so Rob was out last week, and I'm like, all right, I can handle this, you know. So we did two shows, but yeah, I'm gonna blow off locals. I'm gonna forget to do the sponsors because I count on you to help me with that stuff. Um, but I love getting that text. What's the code? What's the code for the lobster? Midstream was the code. My first thought was the show started an hour ago. Why are you just getting to it? But yeah, because and thank god for the people in the chat reminding me though. Like the people in the chat were like, dude, you have to do the sponsor. Um, yes, Ryan, you are right. Yeah, you might not get the that sense on eternal Christendom, but at heart, Josh is just another bro. He just might he just wants he just wants to hang with the boys. Um, so all right. So I guess we'll we'll what we'll do is we'll do the ads real quick, and then we'll bring up the article in the Catholic Herald from Parallelin, and we'll discuss that. So, and then I'll kind of give my thoughts on why what what I think the because the like the trad inc position, I guess, like from Michael Matt and um and Taylor and a lot of those guys was like, hey, let's wait and see, let's not attack the Pope right away. Um, and maybe we'll get some Latin mass back. And then the guys on the other side were like, it's not just about the Latin mass, we gotta call out all this stuff. And I understand, like, I see both sides of that argument. Yeah, I see both sides of that argument. I don't even know where I land on it. I kind of see a benefit in not going after the Pope but getting like, yeah, I guess we're begging for scraps, right? But like you can't tell me that like Taylor Marshall cares only about the liturgy, right? About that form of the liturgy. Of course. I think he sees that if the Latin Mass becomes more widespread, like it was under some more and pontificum, that that is how you can pass on like the fullness of the of the faith to to more people that otherwise. It's like how you build culture, right? Like you have to build a culture around the thing. Like, we're not gonna get Leo and the Cardinals and the Curia, we're not gonna get them to stop being modernist at all, let alone by browbreeding, browbeating them. You get them to change in the future by raising up, you know, kids that are gonna be good priests and bishops and stuff, and so all right. So this is the this is the debate, right? And uh it was the debate Brian Holdsworth and I had with Tim Gordon when he came on, where Tim was like just calling out Leo, and we were like, dude, but you're like you're a skateboarder, you understand culture, skateboarder culture. Like we're trying to like we were relating it to skateboard culture, and it's like what okay, what I learned under Francis is all of our ranting on the internet, it brought down a heavier hand. It under him, it definitely did, yeah. It brought down a heavier hand, it did, and it made it a million times worse. So I think it wasn't so much, oh, let's wait and see if Leo's a good pope, as much as especially for a guy like Taylor. You guys have to think about the position Taylor was in. They were blaming him for the rejections on the laptop, literally naming him, like he was being blamed for traditionus custodus. So he a guy like him actually has this really big responsibility to shut up about this a little bit. New Pope's coming in. You don't want to be the ringleader of the attack on the new pope when there's a chance we could loosen this thing a little. Like I said, I'm sorry, like that's just an honest position for the guy. And I know people who were friends with Taylor who like shunned him for taking that position. And like they're mad at him, and they think he sold out. And I'm like, I don't know, man. I think he I think he maybe prayed about it and looked at it and was like, I don't, I don't like who am I to lead this who am I to lead this movement against the Pope? Like who the hell are we to lead a movement against the Pope? Like what are what are we doing here? I don't care if like what like you're you're like if you have any Catholic sensibility, think about what you're doing. Like I don't I don't know. I don't I don't see how that's a Catholic how that's a Catholic disposition to have. And I and I look and I look across the the board at the people I respect. Especially especially when the you know brand new Pope. It's you know it's a little different a decade into a pontificate where the Pope's done nothing but you know beat you, basically, you know, and and stuck, you know, put you down for 10 years. That's a little different, I think. Yeah, well what what's interesting is like the the the people who accuse Taylor of selling out or Michael Matt of selling out, like I I don't I don't I don't think it was about selling out. I think it really was about like, no, let's let's see if we could get some like I don't know. I think there's like an arrogance to being like, and look, I'll tell you right now, man, like I have a hard time, like I see how the trads act sometimes, and I'm just like, oh my god. You makes really not want to be associated with yeah, it's like what are you guys doing, man? Like, you just like you just seem like spec detectors, like looking for the tiniest mistake to go after. It's like there's not an ounce of Leo, and I don't look, like I said, like it's not like I'm making light of Leo taking part in a Pachamama ceremony, like it's it's vile. It's if if it is what what the pictures claim, like it's vile. I mean, it is. I don't, I don't, but I don't I don't know what place I have as a construction worker with a podcast to go calling out the sins of the higher. Like, who the hell am I? I'm not doing that. I I would much rather talk to people about like how to make sense of this stuff instead of like leading some charge against the hierarchy. I'd rather just look at the the the story that we've seen unfold with salvation history and the fact that Christ literally told us this is how it would play out. Like, we're not how anybody is surprised when we actually have prophecies telling us exactly how things are gonna lay out. We have our lady telling us there's going to be a diabolical disorientation, an operation of error that the hierarchy will be operating on. What do you think that is? It's it's it's this whole blurring of the enmity thing. And it's like um, I say like way too much. I'm sorry, guys. This issue the more I see it come out in the open in the secular, the more it makes sense to me. And I'm just confirmed in my faith, and I'm just more confident than ever that I'm in the right place, and I'm not going to orthodoxy, and I'm not going to some I don't know where his orders came from priest. I'm not doing that. I'm just not doing that. I look at I look at the the I look at the uh like even a guy like Father Maudsley, he's not out there ranting about the hierarchy ever. I've spoken to him privately about things, but he's not on his videos ranting about the hierarchy. He won't even speak a negative word about the order he was dismissed from.

SPEAKER_06 40:37

Nope.

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SPEAKER_07 40:38

Like that, because that is the disposition of a saint, right? Like a saint doesn't take it upon themselves to right the wrongs of the church. I mean, some I guess some did. I don't want to say that. That's not actually like uh, you know, some some of the saints did, but I feel like they were like, I'm not being called by God to do that. That's all I'm saying. If I like God would have to really give me some kind of prompting for me to do something like that. Don't worry, everyone, if he ever claims otherwise, I will slap him down. That's what I'm here for. God certainly isn't telling me to go rebuild his church like he did Saint Francis, that's for sure. Um's my stupid mouse.

SPEAKER_06 41:23

What am I not?

SPEAKER_07 41:25

Wow. The shows without me really were bad, huh? I can't pull up that comment. Uh pull up the Suponge. Yeah. Uh, did you see Catholic Esquire's last video on this? I think it sums up what's going on with the letter concerning being generous. Rome has said this before and then does nothing or punishes trats. Probably. I mean, I don't I don't know if anything. Yeah, I don't. I don't I don't think uh TC is gonna be overturned. No, I think or anything like that. No, I don't I don't think you're gonna he's gonna abrogate anything Francis did, not for a long time. Like, I think it's too still too fresh. He's still in his first year. I think that he's going to behind the scenes tell people to chill out.

SPEAKER_03 42:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 42:06

I think he I think he doesn't want that to be a place of hostility. But yeah, I don't like I have no no uh you should really have no expectations at the end. None, like none at all. None. Uh American Reform posted uh picture of Pope Francis getting blessed by uh Welby. Yeah, yeah. Right? He puts a picture of Welby and he goes, You think you think Leo will do this and let the woman bless him? Yeah, of course. I'm like, I'm like, I don't think he will, but it wouldn't surprise me. Like I wouldn't, I wouldn't even like nothing shocks me anymore. Nothing. I'm not even phased by this stuff anymore. And when I see when I see Trads who have been in this fight for longer than I have, acting shocked over this stuff, I'm like, dude, you're feigning it could clearly become performative. It's performative indignation. Like, you cannot possibly be surprised by this stuff by now. And if you are, then you like what year do you think we're in? Like, what what do you think this is? 2014, 2015? I mean, this this stuff is what it is, just is what it is. I don't know. Yep, nothing shocks and answer getting a ton of free lobster. Let's do lobster. Shoplobster.com. What's going on with my lobster, by the way? You you okay. You want one more shipment? You want me to see if I can give you one more shipment? They're doing a lot of plugs for these guys. They've given you like 600 bucks worth of lobster. All right. I mean, is it that much? Yeah, that's like 300 much up the heck if they send you. Oh, these bums don't want one more. The freaking lobster is good, man. I don't know what to tell you. Look, it's their fault that they send the good products. So shoplobster.com use code AB10 for 10% off. It really is good, guys. I'm not kidding. I mean, for this, uh, this we also have another um sponsor coming up that I'm really hoping joins because I only like to push sponsors that I'm really, really happy about. Um, shoplobster.com use code ab10 for 10% off. I really do like Shoplobster. What's the one coming up? We'll throw them a free free plug, but uh Black Monk Rosary. Oh, yeah, yeah. I want I want them on board because I love my Black Monk Rosary. Like I love my Black Monk Rosary. So I gave one of my two away and I miss it. Yeah, to get them on board will be awesome. The thing is, they're so backed up right now. I don't even know how they'll keep up with orders if they they do a plug on here with a wait for the discount code. Wait for the discount code. Don't go get them yet. We want a discount code. Well, we do have the code. I we I just don't want to play more than two ads in a show. Oh, what did you do? I just closed my computer and reopened it. You are the worst. No, I'm good. Now I got my mouse back. Um, that's why I did it. All right, so nothing shocks me anymore. The part that bothers me is the stumbling blocks these men create for the people I'm trying to bring into the chat. That's a hard that is the hardest part. It's uh that is rough. That's hard, and also that you're defending a faith. Like when you're arguing with people about Catholicism, you're you're you're arguing for a faith that is no longer presented by the hierarchy. It's a very, you know, you're you're getting into these theological debates, you're getting into debates on scripture, and it's like the church doesn't teach that anymore. Like it's it's it's hard to can convince, like, say, a Protestant that yes, these men right there, they are the successors to the apostles, but like 80% of them are gay, none of them believe the faith, they don't believe in hell, you know. Like, yeah, and well, look, you have to remember that 11 of the 12 ran. Yes, and even if I when I compare them to the Sanhedrin, what do you have? Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus?

SPEAKER_06 46:12

The good ones, yeah.

Wait And See Versus Attack The Pope

SPEAKER_07 46:13

The only good ones, like they're the only good ones, right? So look, and look at what you have now. You have you got Bishop Schneider out there, you got Bishop Strickland out there. You got a you got a handful of them, yeah. You got you got you got a handful of them that are willing to lay their and and honestly, like God bless Strickland, but he doesn't have to worry about consequences anymore, so he can speak on this stuff. They gave him everything, right? Oh, tell me, I can't wait to see her again. Um, yeah, like uh uh in a way, I feel like uh Strickland was was it was like a grace by God that he was relieved of his station so that he can now speak out about this stuff because I see him coming around on it a lot. Um it's I mean it's so in everybody's face at this point. You know, for all the for all the all the crap I gave Carrie Prajon Bowler, like what she did actually brought the conversation up and seeing who's a coward and who's going to stand up and defend her. Yeah, now she just needs to shut up and go away. Yeah. I mean, I don't think she should have spoken up in the first place. I'll give her some credit, whatever. Are we gonna talk about her second sponsor? Nicknack.com. Nicknacks, nicknack.com. We love Nick Knack, man. Uh Nick Knack, especially. I've been handing them out at work. Yeah, I've been I've been giving them away too. Giving them away at work trying to trying to get uh new uh new addicts. Uh Nick Knack is not a smoking cessation device. You guys have all heard my pitch on this before. I feel like a drug dealer because I got a whole box shipped to me so that I can hypothetically, allegedly send them to someone in the who is in a state who can't get them. You can't get them who allegedly hypothetically might be the co-host of the Monday night show. Oh, it's just 17. He's 17. Thank you for getting it. I'm not sending them to a 17-year-old. Oh, you gotta wait until you're old enough, bro. You gotta wait until you're old enough. But uh nick knack.com. Uh use code ab25% for 25% off your first purchase. What we got to talk with them about getting an extended discount once Lent's over and we redo this. The yeah, because we'll get BlackMuck Black Black Monk set up and working. We'll get a locals code for Knickknack. Uh for it'll be a lower discount than 25. But locals members think what we're gonna do is a 10 discount off of all orders for local members. Okay, yeah, the lemon ones, even if you don't like lemon, you might think I don't want the lemon. The lemon are it's like it's like a lemonade, is what it is. Yeah, the and the grapefruit, man. Lemon, like go for the citrus flavors, guys. I'm telling you, the citrus flavors, if you never try them, even if you like to typically go menthol or and the mints are good, you'll like the mints, but try the citrus first. Yeah, try the citrus. I definitely uh endorse the citrus flavors. So um, all right. So why don't we uh yeah, let's let's bring the article up. We'll go through it real quick and we'll see. Like, because I do think there may be actually, you know what? Instead of that, you want to you know what we could do? Because we kind of explained what the article was gonna be. I was gonna say it. I mean, we talked about the article 40 minutes ago. I don't know if bringing it up now makes sense. Um, what what what I have is look at this holy crap, they still have access to that account. I wasn't even aware. Good old Tex Cathedra. Good old Tex Cathedra. We love those boys. Um, I do I wanted to did you see the Bishop Barron clip? I've I mean I I didn't watch it, but I've seen it, yeah. Um, we're gonna put it on his click. It was on his okay. You said it. Yeah, I just sent it to Telegram. So I have a list of things. Um I have a list of things that I'll send you as we go through so so that you don't have to have everything in the telegram at once. Um Mimi, I was just talking about you with Joshua Charles actually, because Joshua Charles told me and Rob that there was um it was a woman who's a little bit older from the south, who is a big supporter of eternal Christendom. And when she uh Josh calls his patrons monthly and tries to give a couple of colours. Yeah, once a year. Yeah, once a year tries to give everybody a call. And when he called this woman, she uh she talked about how much she loved Rob and I and him. And I said, Was her name Mimi by any chance? He said, No, it was something I said. Mimi's a big fan of ours. I thought she might have been over there. But last uh, it was probably beginning of last December. I got a call while I was at work from Josh. Oh, because you're uh you're a supporter. So I answered Mike, I'm like, Hey, what's up? You got a problem with your computer or something? He goes, No, I'm just calling all my supporters. I'm like, Oh, oh, okay. That's about all he ever calls me for is computer problems. It's funny because like I'll I always like reach out, like I reach out to Dr. Deepstay, right? So I'll start the friendship, then they'll come on and they'll meet Rob, and then something will come up on their end, and they're like, Hey, how do you do this thing? I'm like, I have no idea. Next thing I know, I'm in a group chat with Anthony and a random number. I don't know. It's like everybody. That's how Rob gets gets gets launched into something. Um, as of right now, I think he calls everyone. Yeah, go five ten bucks a month. Eventually, that's probably gonna become impossible, but uh I will say this though. He said uh from the times he comes on our show, he gets huge boosts in support on Eternal Christendom. I'm fat from lobster and addicted to nicotine. So Robins, you're cheating.

SPEAKER_03 52:10

He's tech support. Uh oh buddy, buddy, buddy, press this button, buddy. What are you doing, buddy?

SPEAKER_07 52:21

Um all right, so uh yeah, so um uh Stephen Cox saw this clip and he goes, I think that they're they're putting out these feelers out there and they're loosening the restrictions on the Latin mass so that I don't mean to make fun of your voice, Stephen. I'm I'm just kind of making fun of your idea, though. He's like, they're putting this out because they're gonna excommunicate the SSPX. They want to keep the people from going to the SSPX and keep them in. I'm like, that's just silly, they don't care. Sorry, sorry, press the button, sir. So uh Barron had, I guess this was this guy, an actor or something. It was a Disney actor, Disney actor, yeah. It's funny how you got you got Charlie LaBeouf, you got this guy, you got uh uh Murray Rundis. What was Murray Rundes? He was on Disney. Was he? You didn't know that. I had no idea I you know where I learned it on the show he did with us. How do you not know this? Rob, we talked to so many people. I don't remember that stuff. I for I forget. Yeah, uh Murray Wyatt Rundus was um gamers guy to pretty much everything. He was also in an episode of Young Sheldon, apparently. Wow. Look at him. Now he's the head star at uh Pelican. All right, play this clip and then we're gonna jump over to locals.

SPEAKER_12 53:50

I walked into this mass, and right away I thought I'm in a young adult mass because I look around and there's like people my age with children. Wait, is this a young adult mess to my buddy? I'm like, are we in the young adult mass? They're gonna be like rock bands coming out, and all of a sudden the doors open in the back and the choir erupts. A hosped.

SPEAKER_08 54:07

And then the female goes, oh homie.

SPEAKER_12 54:11

And I go, I chills went down my spine. I said, What is this? And the priest comes in with incense, and there's a liturgy that I watch. The priest is suddenly facing God, he's facing the tabernacle, and I see this really quiet mass, and everyone's praying. People aren't worrying about, oh, what am I gonna say or what am I gonna do this and that? Everyone's like focused on what's going on up there. And I'm like, and women are in veils. And I'm after the mass, I sat my buddy down. I go, You can't leave to go get your donut or whatever you're going to do right now. What was that? And he goes, David, that's that's the Latin Mass. And I go, What is the Latin Mass? What is that? Yeah. He said, Oh, it's it's a liturgy that they've been doing for centuries and centuries and centuries, and this is how they all are. I went, What? How's no one told me about this? This is it the the the homily that sounded exactly like the book.

SPEAKER_07 54:56

Right. Every one of us have that moment. Um, especially if you're a cradle Catholic. Uh uh, is this Joan Denise? Joan Denise, uh, my wife is going to the shrine either this Friday or next Friday for the stations. Um, yeah. Well, uh, she she may either she's either gonna go um no, not this Friday, today's Friday. So she's going next Friday. Um Good Friday. For Good Friday, she's gonna go during the day and do the stations at the shrine. So if you're out there, you may meet my wife. Um, yeah, it's uh it's it's funny when like you hear these stories because it's been so long for us. It's like, oh, a newbie, he found the Latin Mass. But then he's going to couch it in, but I've been to Reverend Novus Ordos, too. I haven't watched this. I'm sure that's where he's going with it. He has. I didn't listen to the whole clip either. Let's play it out. Do you think hold on? Do you think Barrett or Barron is gonna make a Bob Dylan reference? Oh man, I don't know. I'm sure he will. He's only got 33 seconds, but I will. Well, the Latin Mass is the privileged way, but no, no, no, the Soto is the privileged way. We just look at the heaven at the Latin Mass.

SPEAKER_12 56:05

Books that I was reading, exactly like the Saints that I was reading. It's the moment where I went, okay, I'm not crazy. Like I'm not crazy to feel that what I was getting on a daily basis. And and and what I'm not doing, by the way, just to clarify, is like a Latin mass novosoto da da da right. 100% because I've been to gorgeous Novosotos too, that I'm absolutely captivated by. Right. So, but what I'm what I'm describing, I think, is the feeling that Gen Zene millennials are going through. Yeah, you know, I get it. And every time I meet, I I've got the pleasure of meeting Gen Z millennials all over the world right now. And there's a couple common things. And the one common thing is we are just sick of the world.

SPEAKER_07 56:39

Man, Baron. I just want to talk to, I want to just like talk to these guys and just be like, dude, what are you doing? Like, what are you doing, man? Every single person you talk to under 50 talks like this. What is it? I don't get it. How do you guys not see it? You think you think Baron seemed irritated? I don't know if Barron seemed irritated. I think I think Barron understands it in some way, but like, but like I said, look, the the because you saw like Pine Sat today was like, this is a sign of beige Catholicism's going away. It's like dude. Don Barron is not my bishop. Take that back. I honestly you'd be in good shape if he was, though. Like he's he's he's I mean, if you're gonna have a bishop, I wouldn't mind Baron as a bishop. Better than Baron's not a villain. He is better than a lot, yes. It's not a villain, it's just Baron, you know? It's like it it him, uh okay. So the the video I put out of uh uh my new archbishop when I first put it out, and I was like Yeah, yeah, yeah. The one that's listed as private and you guys just stop putting these gay men in front of our faces. Like the thing is, I was like, you know, Barron kind of seems like a guy's guy. Like you go out and grab a beer with him, but I know a priest in in that diocese, and he's like, dude, Barron is part of the gay mafia, dude. Like, he's like, you don't even know. Baron. See, I've I've always got that feeling about him. I always I always thought Barron was liked his biggest flaw was that he liked to be liked. So he tried to be a liberal to the liberals and a trad to the trads and uh conservative novus order to the no conservative novus ordos. Like I just thought he was trying to be whatever he thought people wanted him to be, you know. That was always my impression about uh Dolan, but but the Hicks thing the Hicks thing, the the Hicks thing, what it feels like to me is uh no Bobby, I don't know. I don't give a crap who likes me. That's not true. I'm me, and if you like me, you like me. If you don't, that's on you. I don't know what to tell you. I don't need people to like me for me to like them. That's that's the thing. Like, I like a lot of people that don't like me. But I'm the opposite. A lot of people like me that I absolutely dislike.

SPEAKER_08 59:26

Yeah, I always always been that way.

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SPEAKER_07 59:32

The thing with Hicks for me was that um I like I don't know what the guy is. What I see is uh a guy who's flamboyant, right? Yes, that's a that that's a that's more accurate. Don says we liked, he just needs to be paid attention to. Yeah, I'm I'm vainglorious, I'll give you that, but I don't care if you like me as long as you're paying attention. As long as you're talking about me, I don't care if you like me. Um, no, with Hicks, it's like um he's so effeminate that it's almost like a slap in our face. And the fact that he's like he's not hostile towards the Latin mass, it's like now we gotta go and say good things and grovel to this effeminate man. Like it just seems like something they're like putting in your face intentionally, you know. And it's like I can't, I don't know. It's it just feels like a humiliation ritual. That's kind of what it feels like. So yeah, I don't know, Dolan.

unknown 1:00:41

Uh I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:42

Dolan, if I bumped into him, I'd say hello, you know. Um Hicks was my old bishop. He was great for us, but what I've seen of him at New York is pretty cringe. He didn't really act like that with us. He seems soft, but yeah, he seems way way more effeminate. Yeah, I don't know the guy. I don't, you know, I'm not trying to hold on. Is there something in the house?

SPEAKER_06 1:01:04

Is there something going on right now? Yes, my my background is absolutely a Long Island basement. So I'm going to with comments. No, not in comments.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:15

Uh some key uh and I it's you never know if any of this is true. Someone says uh on Twitter that uh the key radar facility handling DC Airspace has been evacuated. FAA is implementing ground stops for Reagan National, Dulles, Baltimore, Charlottesville, and Richmond Airports. Something's coming, kids. I don't know if that's true, but something's coming. The uh the thing is uh yeah, like the I'll I'll give you another one. The uh did you see this story? Um okay, I'm sending it right now. Pull pull this tweet up we do have to go over to locals though, because we give these people too much time over here. We're supposed to be doing so, like what we're gonna start doing is like 30, 35 minutes on YouTube and then jumping over to locals because we gotta we gotta hook the locals people up. They're there YouTube has decided they're going to pay half of what they used to, essentially. So Rob and I used to make like 500 bucks, 600 bucks each on YouTube. Now we're getting like 300 bucks each on YouTube. Yeah, and and I I dug into it a little. It is uh it's like the amount of money they're paying per ad view is is what has gone down. It's not like yeah, and you've seen it like if you looked since October, it decreases 200 every October is when the the algorithm because we crashed September, October. We were we were growing about as fast as we are now. October the algorithm some somehow changes, views drop off, nose dives, our pay per view dropped off. It just yeah, so every month you see a decrease where it's like you know, we were we were getting like in October, I think we got like 700. It was like 1400 YouTube gave us, and it then you watch in uh November it drops to to 1200, then December is a thousand. It's down at like I think 700 bucks right now for the month total for the month. It's like that that's you know, so we gotta if YouTube's not gonna pay us, we're gonna just give everything to locals because that's that's uh that's the only way we survive. We made less less money last last month than we have in a long time, like a year almost, yeah, like a year or so. But we have hit 75,000. That's what's nuts. You wonder what's crazy? Rob was telling me that uh the video that actually got that, like we jumped up and subs is that stupid truck video I did about Mike Pantile, right?

SPEAKER_06 1:03:58

So that one that so yeah, let me here. I'll just I'm not gonna show them on screen that's not working.

Bishop Barron Clip On Latin Mass Awe

SPEAKER_07 1:04:04

Oh, I went into the wrong video, that's why I went into the Father Modsley one. So we've had two videos in the last month that has that have driven all the growth. Um, the first one was the the truck video about Mike Pantile. That uh that video has 54,000 views, um and got us let's see how many subs. Uh no, stop that, you pizza and got us 13,000 subs. Five, yeah, and then the second video that's doing really well is the Was Jesus a Jew with Shemun. Oh, really? Yeah, so that video has gotten us 7,000 subs, and that video has right now 29,000 views. Look at that, yeah. You see, sometimes sometimes the video just goes now. The thing is, those I you don't know if those subs are gonna be regular viewers now. So it's like, all right, we got 75,000 subscribers, but like we're our our our live shows, they're always in the seven to ten thousand range. That's where they always end up. They're you know, might get eleven thousand or something like that. But um, this is boring. Stop talking about your channel. All right, anyway. Um, yeah, bring up that tweet. Okay. This is uh so go to the first tweet that's outside of that one. Uh the Western invasion tweet. Yeah. All right. So an African migrant set fire to the 600 year old cathedral in Nantes, or whatever. I don't know. A year after his release, he brutally murdered murdered Father uh Mare. This happened in France, Rwandan citizen. I'm not even gonna pronounce his name. Asylum application to France submitted in 2012 has been repeatedly rejected despite needing deportation. He has been uh he has continued to live illegally. He was sentenced to 30 years in prison in 26. Illegal immigration continues to destroy Western values. So this church goes up in flames. This immigrant who was rejected for asylum and they never actually deported deported him. Now go back to that other tweet. He was given the keys to the cathedral by the priests. They put him in charge of locking up and gave him verger duties. After he set it on fire, destroying the organ and organ law, Father Mayer offered him a safe haven in his home to await trial, and he proceeded to murder him. This is suicidal empathy. These men, they think the only thing you can do is welcome the stranger. It's it's psychotic behavior. Every one of these bishops, they think it's like because it's the only way they can feign holiness. True. It's a it's a it's a way they don't have real virtue, so they have to virtue signal. Yeah, they're virtue signaling with this. They can feign holiness. Like it's like they won't talk about a single difficult issue that will get their people to heaven. They will say something that's not even really Catholic teaching, but it sounds good. And it goes along with the liberal, you know, it goes along with the liberal platitude. It's a platitude. These these men are just it's uh I don't know what I don't know what happens, like they're just all gonna, they're all gonna just welcome their own death. That's what they've been doing. They're welcoming their own death in, and they think it's they think it's the opposite. I don't know. They're just woe to you who call good evil and evil good. Um so all right, let's go over to locals. I got a bunch of stuff on locals. Uh, we got uh I'll tell you what you got what we're gonna do on locals tonight. Um JD Vance calls aliens demons. Uh we could discuss Jack Masobic saying the Lord of the Rings is overtly pagan, which is interesting. It's a bit interesting. It's stupid, but it's it's nuanced. No, it's not. Tolkien is giving a pre-Christian mythology to the English with the Lord of the Rings, right? Um that what Tolkien was doing, he was trying to give up. Yeah, but he also but he also had a mythology, he also literally says himself that is a fund it is a fundamentally Catholic word. Oh well uh but uh Rob, I would argue that Homer's Iliad is Christian in essence. It's not though, it's not I know what you're saying, but like you see hint because because the the passion and uh the gospel is actually the reality, like it because that is reality, like that is the real narrative. You will see hints and echoes of that story in every pre-Christian story that survives that long of time, like any of those yeah, right. But but the you'll see echoes of the verts, the virtues extolled in the Odyssey, in the Iliad, in the Aeneid are not Christian virtues. I'm probably wrong. Obviously, we're gonna know better on this. I just think Pasovic's an idiot, but I do too. Don't we'll we'll agree on that, don't worry. I was trying to no, you're just trying to, you're you're trying to start. I know, I know what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, just trying to have conversations, so but also like when I saw Persovic's tweet, I was like, This is the this is the this is no different than calling your wife a former cam girl or something. Like it's that's his version of like my boy, my wife was formerly promiscuous, you know. It's just yeah, he's just doing it to set the internet on fire, but at least he didn't sell his wife's soul out the window. So, all right. So we only have 15 likes. No, no, the number of times you've said it. Yeah, you got you're gonna you're gonna break the counter. It's gonna break. I don't know what you're thinking. All right. So if you guys aren't uh locals members, we're gonna all right. So we're gonna do that. Hold on. Let me let me get the the link in here. We can discuss uh Leo's letter to to the the fake bishop of Canterbury.

SPEAKER_09 1:10:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:39

Uh also Tucker did a whole segment on how Israel is destroying Christian churches in Lebanon. And we could do that, but we can sound lighter topics. I I say we do Pesobic and then we do JD Vance and Aliens. Those are two, those are two good topics for over there. And uh anyone watching this, if you're not on locals now, and even if you don't want to join locals for what we're doing right now, join for tomorrow morning. Yeah, oh that's a huge one, right? So with Father Maudsley coming on tomorrow, if you're a locals member, you'll see it live. If you're not a locals member, if there's something pertinent to the Palm Sunday liturgy, we'll release a clip. Well well, to any of the holy week liturgy. No, we're gonna release a clip tomorrow for Palm Sunday, and then Wednesday before the trituum, we'll release if I maybe we're gonna be busy tomorrow after the show, so we'll we'll see if I can get a clip out. I'll cut the clip. I'll I'll take care of all the editing and stuff. And and you already have the thumbnail, I can post all that. I'll take it if there's something uh uh pertinent to the um the Palm Sunday liturgy. I'll I'll get the clip up for you guys. Uh otherwise, if you're not a locals member, you're waiting until before the trade of one, like right before the trade of one we'll release the full thing. We yeah, we'll release as much as we think is possible on YouTube because that I mean that's why Father Modsley comes on with us because he know he wants our reach. Yeah, we let him say whatever. Well, I'm I'm saying he wants it to get out there, and we will we do want to put it out there, but um, for this subject, locals gives us that uh ability to look through it and listen to it a few times. So I'll tell yeah, all right, we'll discuss it later. Yeah, all right. So if you guys are not locals members, if you want to see the Father Maudsley interview before we release the full thing midweek or whenever we release it, you gotta get on locals. Uh and then I'm gonna try and get uh Dr. Deep State on Tuesday, and that'll probably be an amazing local segment when we have him on. So yeah, all right, guys. Jump over to locals. We'll see you guys on the other side. Take us out, Rob. Oh, what are we gonna play? What am I gonna play? Wait, cheapo over here who has a free subscription saying this. We gave this kid a free local sub and he's telling everybody that's cheap. I love it.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:04

That's great. I love it. All right, uh, I don't know what to play.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:12

Unite the clans, Enoch. Let's go. Yeah, yeah. Take me back to my reversion. Unite the clans, I give thanks to each person. It's that same holy water that we immersed in. It's that same tradition that we all be first in. United, we stand and divided and win. They united and the fans and divided and state. If you think about it, it's you can start for the same man. The biggest fear is that we all remain friends. I got love for T March and y'all podcasts. I got love for my combat fans, Ryan Grant, Rick, Baby, T Flanders, Eric Sammons. Shout out to my boy, John Everton, a boy.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:56

I figured it'd be funny to play rap after our last little clip. Dude, I want I wanted that clip to do so good, man. Uh, just I I just wanted it to rile people up. So, like any any clip like that that we think is gonna do well, you know. I I I start I put a little little bit of money to it, you know, take off, right? With the ad. And uh that one it was it was starting to do a little, but we're talking like a tenth of what the other like the two good ones did. Sometimes they just nope, not worth it. Yeah, yeah. Sometimes sometimes you got a winner, sometimes you don't. Um all right, so uh let's do Pesobic since we already started talking about that. Play the play the clip of what he said. Okay, give me a second. Uh oh, did I send it to you? I didn't send it to you. That's um um nope, you did not. All right, I gotta I'll send it to you. Uh I'll send you both of these now. I'll send you Pesobic. Do that one first, and then I'll send you the one we're gonna do next, which is JD Vance talking about aliens. I don't I kind of like the Friday stream just because I'm not worried about work tomorrow. Yeah, but keep in mind we gotta be up early, man. I know, but dude, 4 a.m. 3:30 a.m. versus freaking 6 a.m. isn't it? No, I'm saying we can't be hungover or anything. I'm not drinking. I haven't I haven't exceptionally You're not drinking. No, I drink I did have a couple of exceptions during Lent. Um I think I had two exceptions during Lent. One was when I was away with my in-laws and one was a feast day or something, or maybe when Bobby came over or something. But yeah, two two exceptions. I never got drunk, I had like a drink. But I haven't like I can't wait for Easter, man. I can crack open a bottle of wine. Um do the Pesobic video because yeah, I'll be sharp for Father Mosey tomorrow, don't worry.

SPEAKER_11 1:15:56

Narnia and Lord of the Rings were you know kind of kind of written almost not uh you know concurrently in a sense. And Tolkien always said that he didn't like Narnia because he thought that it was too overtly no, no, oh this guy's an idiot, right immediately.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:14

It's not what Tolkien said. Tolkien said he didn't like allegory, he doesn't like direct allegory, yeah. Like direct allegory, like where Aslan is the Christ figure, like that's what he said, but it he didn't mean my work is not fundamentally Catholic, right? So I mean we're both gonna nitpick at him, and then I might defend him a little bit. I would have I know he's got some connection to Taylor, otherwise, I would have he's got connections to the deep state, too. So he does.

SPEAKER_11 1:16:43

I've heard people try to make the argument that Lord of the Rings is overtly Christian.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:47

I've heard the author try to make that argument, but whatever, I guess.

SPEAKER_11 1:16:53

And I hate to burst the bubble, guys, but you're just wrong. There's nothing overtly Christian about Lord of the Rings. Uh, there's no church in it, there's no faith in it, there's no Christ figure, there's none of these things.

Bishops Image Games And Trad Fatigue

SPEAKER_07 1:17:04

I don't think he's ever read it. I don't think he's ever read any of it. Wait, all right. So I I do want to give a little context. So he is making the argument that the reason that guys like uh Colbert and like lefties like that will still like Lord of the Rings is because the Christianity is not overt over your head, where none of like you'll you won't see guys on the left praising Narnia because it is literally a Christian story where Lord of the Rings is because the the reality is that Tolkien was trying to set a mythology up for the English, the way the the Greeks had the Anglo-Saxons, yeah. For the Anglo-Saxons, the way the Greeks had their Greek myth, and uh, you know, what whatever else you got back in back then. He wanted to give a mythology for Anglo-Saxons, so he he was very intentional to not make it just overtly like bang over your head, Christian, but the entire movie and book series, well, really the book, like what the whole book is about are these Christian virtues that you're dealing with, and you're dealing with the element of evil and the ring taking possession of you. Like, these are all very Christian themes, but I don't think he's I don't think he would deny that. I really don't, I think this is one of those things where like you take the clip and you're just you're gonna jump down his throat for it. But I think he I think he meant that. I think he was just doing the um he's just being contrarian to get good views, you know what I mean? Like he's just trying to drive a little controversy. This is this is his version of my wife was formerly promiscuous, yeah. Yeah, which is yeah, which is exactly what you were saying with that tweet. But uh, it's either that or he is really just that uninformed when it comes to the subject. He's a former Intel guy, you never know. But let's see. You want me to keep playing?

SPEAKER_11 1:19:03

Yeah, yeah, let's keep going. And honestly, Lord of the Rings, if it's anything, Lord of the Rings is overtly pagan.

SPEAKER_15 1:19:10

That's Lord of the Rings, is it's interesting actually, because people will a weird thing about did you know this about Lord of the Rings that Lord of the Rings does not take place on like a different planet or anything? It it takes place on Earth, middle earth, yeah. Yeah, the the claim doesn't literally have the planet's name in there. It is literally just Earth 10,000 years ago, yeah. And there's a different map and all of that because you know the continents have shifted.

Immigration Story And Misplaced Naivete

SPEAKER_07 1:19:34

Does this guy know that the river Styx is a literal place? Like, like what kind of comet is this? Like, holy crap, most Olympus exists in Greece for real. Like, what kind of do you guys not understand myth and like what the purpose of it is? Did you guys know like Troy was a real place? Like I don't get oh man. I really think that people don't understand where myth comes from, like they're they're based in truth and reality, and they kind of they develop over time, but like these stories did happen on some level. Like, on some level, all of the even even the um the Greek myths, like they happened. I think I think that because I remember some form and fashion, in some form, right? So I remember being in uh uh English class in ninth grade and like Hercules, probably an Ethelum, something like that, you know. Yeah, but I do think Hercules existed, like I do think he existed in some some shape or fashion or something. So when I was in English class in ninth grade and we learned about the Greek myths, my English teacher we're going through the Odyssey, and I was just like, How did people believe this? And he writes out the apostles' creed on the board, and he writes out, I believe in Hercules, uh, I believe in uh Zeus, the father almighty, creator of heaven and earth, which is his only son Hercules. Uh Jupiter, the name Jupiter comes from Zeus Potter, yeah. Zeus, so the father of heaven and earth, right? And then you have you have Odin the all-father, like so so he writes out the creed, and he pops in Zeus, and he pops in Hercules when the sun is, and I'm like, it made me question my faith. And that that broke me for a while, and then I remember coming around to the opposite view, and it can actually really strengthen your faith. And it just right, and and I went, wait a minute, like these aren't just made-up dumb stories, like they happened on some like so. Even when you're going through these these uh like ancient civilizations, they'll have these myths, and it's like on some level, these things happen. I mean, they may not be as pronounced as the myth eventually becomes, but on some level, these things happen. Like, Zeus is a real a real demon, you know, like these these demons really do exist, and there is something that these people are offering their worship to, and these these things happen. So, this guy saying, you know, like, did you know Middle Earth was really? It's like, yes, that that's what Tolkien was going for. Like, Tolkien was trying to build a mythology for his people because they they were lacking these people not have no idea what Tolkien was a professor of, like, crazy. Oh my gosh. Um, let's let's finish out these idiots. Let's see what let's see what else they say. This guy looks and sounds like a a trans man. Uh that's I probably should have watched this one. Uh, uh, Martin Shaw and uh Frad did an interview with Martin Shaw about myth and story. He defined it in opposition to the modern novel. Yeah, that's what I mean. Like the modern novel is just something you invent and put in a package to tell a short story, but myth develops over time and it becomes the identity of a people. Yeah, just like just like the Holocaust, you know, kind of like it becomes the identity of a civilization. Why do you think we received so much propaganda about that event? It became the mythology of of the world for 80 years or whatever, right? It's like that. That's why we watch that's why you saw 8,000 freaking history channel documentaries on World War II. That's why you see Band of Brothers was made, that's why freaking Sophie's Choice was made. All of that stuff was made to build it into our identity. But what you realize is that uh because of all of that, like, dude, everything we we see now is fake because we've been taught from their textbooks. Like, like history is written by the victors, and they all it takes is a couple of generations to tell them a version of history that they want you to believe, and now all of a sudden that's your reality, the history that you learned, and that's like we learn from all these all their textbooks. We live in their world, they have shaped the world around us. That we watch their shows on TV, we're watching their programs, we're watching Netflix, we're watching all this crap. That's all their programming for us, and we just gobble it all up. And it's like we're all just caught in their world. Remember that stupid beeper story when the freaking when Lebanon, when the Massad gave the the exploding beepers, and it wasn't the beepers that was crazy. What was crazy is the guy comes out, the Massad agent comes out after, and he goes, We created an entire world for them. They thought they were buying these beepers to get around tracking for the cell phones. We were we created an entire facade around them like the tracking for the cell phones was done so that they would buy these stupid beepers 100%. Like they led them to go and do this. Then freaking Netanyahu gives Trump a golden beeper. Look, look, like I know these guys are incredibly evil and bastards and whatnot, but they can be kind of funny too. Well, that's the thing. Like that's what was he? Why did he give him a beeper? Was the beeper to go, oh, look at this successful thing we did here. This is to help you, like, or was it like hey asshole? I can get you two hey asshole. We could get to that, we'll get to you. Like, every one of us carry one of these around and we're using their technology. You think your freaking phone can't explode? Of course it can. All you gotta do is short circuit the battery on you somehow. You're carrying around an ion battery. Lithium, lithium battery. Yeah, every lithium battery is a bomb waiting for you. It's a bomb. I watched, I watched a co-workers uh like 10 years ago when the people who vaped were into the big huge ones, you know, that could create a cloud that was ginormous. One of one of my co-workers had one of those in his pocket, and that thing exploded and stirred on fire. He had destroyed his leg. Third degree burns all over his thigh. Yeah, hey, dude, it's a it's I mean, it's not it's not gonna, it's not gonna, it might not kill you, but dude, you're gonna get hurt from it bad. You're gonna get maimed. So imagine if it exploded while he hell held it up to his face. Ooh, like a pager that would maim you 100%, right? Um, yeah, that's what's crazy. Like a lot of the guys, like the beepers went off with like right near their genitals, man. Like a lot of guys had their nuts blown off, you know. Anyone who ever had a pager, what does it do when it goes off? What do you do? You look at it, you pick it up and you bring it right up here. Yeah, some of the videos that were coming out, it was just a lot of guys had their freaking junk blown off, though. It's kind of crazy. So, all right, let's finish this clip out. Do we have to?

SPEAKER_02 1:27:30

It's supposed to be a uh mythology for Earth, the same way that Greek mythology and so forth.

SPEAKER_15 1:27:36

So, like in Lord of the Rings, they don't really talk about it, but there is a god, Ruvatar, who is just God, it is just Argon.

SPEAKER_16 1:27:43

Is the devil, basically.

SPEAKER_15 1:27:45

And it's like they have different names for it and all of that.

SPEAKER_16 1:27:49

Yes. I mean, I don't know. I think Lord of the Rings, when I I I haven't watched it in so long, but it um it felt overtly Christian to me, actually. The themes. But I mean, I I'm sure that I'm sure I look listen, I haven't watched it for a long time. Maybe I'll reserve judgment.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:05

Yeah, I think I think there is something the fact that they're talking about watching it instead of reading it is kind of a problem right there. But to be said that your themes can be overtly Christian while the actual content doesn't feel like it's not a even these guys are pushing back on it is, but the themes are overtly.

SPEAKER_16 1:28:25

Light versus darkness, good versus evil. Yeah. Jackie, I think you have good versus evil.

SPEAKER_11 1:28:30

I'm not saying that, I'm not saying it's not a cool story, but it is also overtly pagan. Like the the content is obviously pagan because you have like demons and you have a like a pantheon of powerful creatures and figures.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:45

He just described Christianity as pagan. Like it I think I think he clearly just doesn't know anything about it. Yeah, I don't I I think Jack, you're just wrong on this. I know I I kind of think I because there are no pagan gods in it. There is angels, none. Yeah, there's exactly yeah, and then there's choirs of angels of different different levels under that, and some of them fell and became Morgoth, the devil, and Sauron. You know, it's literally a Christian story. It is a hundred manifest stories. It's a Christian story, you dope. Um, all right, let's do let's do JD Vance talking about aliens. Protestant coded combo, yeah. Pesobic is like it's kind of interesting because you have all of these figures who popped up in the last seven years or so, who all popped up Catholic, right? Like it seems like there's so many of these figures popping up Catholic, Pasobic, uh, that are all like big figures in the media, Michael Knowles, uh JD Vance. It seems like all the people having like the important conversations are Catholic. And it's kind of driving the Protestants nuts, I think. But then there seemed like there was a corralling of these guys to get them into a camp to make sure, and and Pesobik is one of the worst offenders of this. Like Pesobic is a MAGA guy. He won't, you know. You thought, oh, he's Catholic, he's gonna tell the truth. No, Pesobic is just he's just uh he's a propagandist. He's a MAGA propagandist. That's all he is. He's a former Intel guy. He's he's there to sell you uh a false bill of goods, right? Like he's there. It was really interesting what they did when they saw when they saw that podcasts were having such an effect, especially after that after that election, they saw podcasts were so effective. They basically took all of the um the weight that was behind like the Fox News and the and these, and they put and they ran the guys like Tim Pool, Jack Pasobic, all these guys. And Tim Pool, I used to love Tim Pool. You'd watch him, and he was uh I was actually giving you some uh original opinions and stuff, but it was also very like boomer coded, where it was like, oh, two gender stuff, you know, stuff like that. And now now that Trump came in, he had that visit with Netanyahu, and now I cannot watch five seconds of Tim Pool. Like, I cannot watch five seconds of him. And the other day I watched him going talking about how uh Gen Z is not watching political content anymore. They've totally checked out. It's like, no, we're not watching you, asshole, because you are unbearable because you are just a mouthpiece for the regime, like you are the very thing you used to criticize CNN for being, just on the other side. You're the new Fox News, and nobody cares to hear it. People want original thought, original opinion, and sincerity, and you're not giving it because you sold your freaking, you sold your brand, you sold your credibility, everything. Pesobic too. Now you you're gonna get they're still gonna have mainstream appeal and people are gonna like them, but people are gonna go to another source because they don't trust them. I think what you really just described there was kind of the um I'm not gonna say downfall because I don't think like the the YouTube podcast type world is like completely gone yet, like like cable news and stuff, but like um I think I think most people would say like it it is declining, yeah, in many areas rather quickly. And like you said, it's because people went to it to get away from the sellouts, yeah. But now everyone in it is a sellout, is a sellout, you know what I mean? Well, it's also funny that you see like our show. Okay, now we have 75,000 subs, but we're still getting around this, like this. The first off, the YouTube buries live content now. Okay, so what YouTube actually wants are those five-minute trunk. They want five-minute clips, they want five-minute clips. They don't they bury the long-form content, they don't want long-form content being successful anymore. So we do a live show. You guys that watch every episode, yeah, you'll check us out, but they're not showing us our stuff to a wider audience. Yeah, I could pull up the analytics that prove it 100%. They don't they don't show our content to new people at all. You have to do clips and clip farm and get something to pop off, or you don't, you just don't reach a new audience. So yeah, YouTube's algorithms kind of killed it. Even if you were subscribed, and I don't know uh if if you guys have noticed it, but like when I pull up my YouTube, like so like uh I'll listen to something or watch something on YouTube as I fall asleep on my headphones, right?

SPEAKER_06 1:33:57

Me too, yeah.

YouTube Algorithms And Clip Culture

SPEAKER_07 1:33:58

As I pull up my my YouTube, my homepage, there is nothing and no one that I actually subscribe to that is showing on my homepage. I literally have to click on my subscriptions and go to a specific person I'm subscribed to to see any of their content. It's all it's all channels I've never heard of that are showing on my homepage now. So if you not even if you're subscribed to us, you probably won't see our content unless you either specifically look for it or you click on the stupid bell that makes your phone ring every day. It's so funny, and it knows what time of day to push certain stuff to me. Yeah, so when I go to bed at night, there's uh two things I'll listen to. One is I'll listen to the audio Bible on YouTube. There's uh David something, such a or something. I I like his voice and it's very soothing. I'll listen to the Bible with him, or I'll listen to like this long form Catholic history stuff. And when I get off this show and I go up in my room and I open my homepage, it'll just be like audio Bible stuff and long form because that's what I listen to when I go to bed. Like it knows what to send me at what time of the day. None of the stuff am I subscribed to. None of it. Yep. So, like, yeah, getting new subscribers doesn't mean these people are going to see our content at all. It's it's I think they show your content to like 10% of your audience when you first put it out. And if you don't get a certain amount of click-through rate, they won't show it. They won't show subscribers. Yeah, exactly. It's really bizarre. Um, you have a two-hour video because you know, if 10% of your audience isn't ready to watch that two hours right then and there and don't click on it, you're screwed. Yeah, yeah, that's what oh man. We gotta, you gotta, we got we're gonna have to start a clips channel. And you know what? You guys kind of suck. Like Fuentes has got an army of clip farmers for him. Yeah, he doesn't have to do any of the work, he doesn't have to do anything. You guys don't ever clip our show and put it out there. I gotta go back and look at stuff that I think will be freaking good to put up on when you do clip it, it's to make fun of us, you ales. We got the worst audience. Uh all right, let's do JD Vance. Okay. Yeah, it is an English guy reading the Bible. What? Somebody said Anthony's listening to Milo read the Bible. He's not a street boy in his Milo, but he is English.

SPEAKER_17 1:36:25

Uh, we're working on it. It's funny. When I came in, I was obsessed with the UFO files, and then you start getting really busy worrying about the economy and national security and things like that. But I've still I've still got three more years as vice president. I will get to the bottom of the UFO files. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:38

Have you peaked? Have you done a peak?

SPEAKER_17 1:36:41

Have I what? Have you done a peak? I mean, like, uh, you know. So I actually haven't. I have full independence day, and I I have I have I have not been able to spend enough time on this to really understand it, but I am going to. Trust me, I'm obsessed with this. I've already had a couple of times where I'm like, all right, we're going to Area 51, we're going out to New Mexico, we're going to sort of get to the bottom of this. And then the timing of the trip just didn't work out. But trust me, anybody who's curious about this, I'm more curious than anybody. And I've got three years of the very very tippy top of the classification. I'm going to get to the bottom of it.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:14

Okay. So you haven't been to Area 51 yet. Not yet.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:16

This guy, first off, this guy is the guy Milo is going after. And saying Milo is saying he knows that he's gay. Benny Johnson. This Benny Johnson guy, like Milo's got like a list of guys who've all like said that they slept with Benny Johnson or something. He's another one of these podcasters who's a paid propagandist. Oh, yeah. I've never heard of him. Paid propagandist. He probably had a show. He's one of the most annoying people I've ever seen. Like, he does like these outrageous, like yelling at the screen. Like he's just oh, yeah, because we never get that here. I'm not as nearly as corny as that. I'll yell at the screen, but at least me. Um, all right. Let's so JD Vance is where he's gonna start getting into what he thinks aliens are.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:02

Oh, they might be.

SPEAKER_07 1:38:03

Yeah, hang right team, hang right team, right?

SPEAKER_17 1:38:04

I know I've heard that as well, but I don't know. I haven't looked into it yet.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:09

Okay, all right, all right. Well, we're waiting for it. We saw aliens.

SPEAKER_17 1:38:12

We saw aliens.gov, but I don't think they're I don't think they're aliens. I think they're demons anyway, but that's a longer discussion.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:17

Well, I can't let you go without that follow up. Because Barack Obama is on this podcast, and he goes, Yeah, aliens are real, but like here's where they're not. And you know, and so Obama says aliens are he gets asked point blank. Alien are aliens realistic. Oh, yeah. And then he goes, but they're not in Area 51. Um, and then where are they? Well, that's what he says. Right. It's a great question. I know. Trump had to go save him and he said he's gonna declassify. So you think they're demons?

SPEAKER_17 1:38:42

Well, look, I I think that celestial beings who fly around who do weird things to people. I think that the desire to describe everything celestial, everything is otherworldly, to describe it as aliens. I mean, every great world religion, including Christianity, the one that I believe in, has has understood that there are weird things out there. And there are things that are very difficult to explain. And I I naturally go when I hear about sort of extra natural phenomenon, that's where I go to is the Christian understanding that you know there's a lot of good out there, but there's also some evil out there. And I think that one of the devil's great tricks is to convince people we never existed.

Tolkien Myth And What Makes Art Christian

SPEAKER_07 1:39:27

It's a good, it's a good take. Yeah, um, it's definitely a good take. Um so I went and saw Project Hail Mary with um my wife last week, and like the idea of interstellar travel is so retarded, like it's just so dumb. Hold on, hold on. When you say the idea of interstellar travel, not the idea of it, like the idea that you mean we could accomplish interstellar travel. It dude, listen to me. Oh boy, the amount of energy that you would like dude, like the I every every every time you get into this concept, it's all about like finding a wormhole that you could stretch space and put together because, or we're we're gonna have like hyperbaric chambers where we sleep and we give it none of that is ever going to happen. I guess not what a hyperbaric chamber is. Yeah, you know what I mean. Like the the where they put you in the like a stasis chamber, yeah, like a hypostasis chamber. You know, okay. Let me think dumb words, you know what I mean. The hypostatic union chamber over there. You get the point. Anyway, like this idea that they're gonna like when you watch Star Trek, it's the dumbest thing ever. They're traveling. It's like we're gonna go to this star system in 13 seconds. Like, no, we're never, ever, ever, ever going to do something like that. It's it's ridiculous. Like we're dude, how far is Mars? I don't have the the the numbers off the top of the head. You know what I'm getting at, right? It's it's years to get to Mars. Six months. Okay, six months. You gotta leave it at the exact right time to catch the you know what I mean. Like the idea that we're gonna travel to another star is preposterous. And the idea that these other creatures and the the movie Project Hail Mary was a really good family movie. Like, if you want to take your kids to see it, I would definitely take your kids to see it. I uh when I saw you come up with a positive take on it, I had to go look for the opposite take just to argue with you at some point. And I did find someone on Twitter just ripping into it. It's a good family movie, it's about uh the need for companionship. It's there's no cursing in it. It's a good family movie, like to take your boys to. You would you would enjoy it. You'll leave the movie feeling good, you will be satisfied with the ending, everything. But the alien creature that they had meet him at this place because the star the sun is dying, and I'm sorry, I'm very stuffy. Uh, the sun is dying, so they have to travel to this star that's all far away, uh, whatever. They gotta go there. And when he gets there, there's another alien there doing the same thing, trying to save his planet. The alien they came up with is essentially a rock that acts like a dog. It's a rock that acts like a dog, like it's as dumb as a dog. It's like it reacts like a dog. Like it it the idea that a creature like that would develop interstellar travel is so dumb and preposterous that I don't I don't, I don't, it just took me out of it so much that even these people that believe in evolution they can't come up with a creature that is not created in the image of God that makes sense. Because like man is created in the image of God, like the creature they come up with, Rob, is a rock without a face, it doesn't have a face. Like you you think about how important the human face is. That's why the devotion to the holy face is actually a really good devotion to have. Because when we are resurrected, our resurrected bodies, there's gonna be something about our face that that lives on, I think. Like our the human face is very important, right? Like our bodies will be regenerated and we'll have we'll have glorified bodies, but there's something about our faces that is gonna be super important, and they can't like they can't like these these evolutionists who think evolution happened somewhere else, like you can't come up with something that's not cre like it has to have it has to stand upright, it has to have arms, it has to have a face because this dog-like creature is not gonna develop a spaceship. Like, come on, it was just I don't know, it took me out of the movie a little bit. You want me to ruin the movie for you? Sure, ruin it. Okay, there's a lot of swearing in this. Um, so I'm gonna try to try to okay. Just say F one and a half through, or so we've been hearing that finally Hollywood gave us a non-woke action movie. Granted, the movie has a white male lead and no gay sex. You might wonder what price we paid for those generous concessions to reality. Here are the prices we paid. The white male, Ryan Gosling, is the only white male. Seriously, the movie features a big team of engineers tasked with saving the world. Half of them are women, and the other half are non-white. Everyone's life is at stake. We are definitely purging white men from the engineering team, I guess. Other than the one leave, the sole the sole white males are a couple of guys standing in the back of the crowd about an hour in, and one white guy gets a single line of dialogue, a short line, not even funny. The rest is chicks, Asians, and browns. The project leader, a woman, the ship captain, another woman. We even get assigned to Shaniqua, but at least there's no gay sex. In fact, the movie has no sex or romance at all. The closest has come to is one scene at a party where a couple contemplating the end of the world is obviously gearing up to Boink. Yeah, you guessed it. It's a white woman with a black dude. But still, the hero is a white male. You may wonder why Hollywood tolerated such an abomination. It's because he's no hero. He's an effeminate bat beta and he's a coward. I don't want to spoil it, so I won't. Actually, no, the movie deserves no respect, so I will spoil it. The white male lead was literally the only guy who could save the world, but he refused to do it because he wouldn't have a way home after. Of course, if he refused, he would die anyways, because everyone would die. He acknowledged that. Then he still refused because he was a coward. When he said that, he cried. So a woman ordered him drugged and forced aboard the rescue ship. That's our white male hero. Here's the bravest thing he did. He jeopardized the lives of every member of his own species to save an alien. Okay, so uh I watched pull up Bishop Barron's review of it because I'm gonna critique Bishop Barron.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:12

Um, let me okay, let me find it. Hold on.

SPEAKER_07 1:46:15

See if you can find Baron's because Barron represents Brian Gosling as this Christ figure. Oh my gosh. And the thing is, no, he's not, he's you know who he is? He's the reluctant hero. He's not a Christ figure at all. But the the story does the movie does deal with elements of redemption and heroism and like coming around to self-sacrifice, but he does it very reluctantly. They he does not want to do this, and they have to knock him out to force him to do it, and he just wakes up on the spaceship with no recollection of how he got there. You know what's the best worst thing about this movie? Normally, with the movie, trying to find a review of it on Barron's Twitter, I could search the movie title. Unfortunately, searching Hail Mary on Calvin Bishop's Twitter. I'll do project. Maybe Project. Can't be that long ago, right? No, it was last couple days ago. Did he tweet that much? Well, either way, I mean, whatever. I'll just search Project Hail Mary. He he I mean look, it it it does have a few Christian themes in it. It's not pagan. It's not as Christian as the Lord of the Rings, but Okay, I found it here.

SPEAKER_06 1:47:34

All right.

SPEAKER_07 1:47:34

Let me bring it up. All right. Uh, I just saw this much talked-about film project Hail Mary. It's very entertaining and uplifting and features a fine performance from Ryan Gosling. But what most intrigued me were the powerful Christian themes that play in it. The title, of course, refers to the Hail Mary pass of football, since the adventures, adventure undertaken is a fairly desperate attempt to save the planet. But it also becomes eminently clear that the reference is not just to football, but to the Blessed Mother herself. For the Gosling character is undoubtedly a Christ figure. I don't want to give away too much of the plot, but it involves a willingness to sacrifice one's life utterly in order to deliver the entire human race from disaster. It is, of course, no accident that Gosling's character is called Ryland Grace Grace. What is he, a Mormon with a name like Ryland? Are you joking me? Ryland Grace. For throughout the movie, his presence and actions constitute undeserved favor to others. A particularly intriguing character in the film is a sober German scientist who relentlessly presses Grace to make the supreme sacrifice, even when he is unwilling. That character is German. Oh, yeah, the woman. She represented for me the great moral demand that pressures that presses upon us throughout our lives, continually summoning us to self-gift. That's a stretch. A last observation Jesus had a second in command, whom he called Peter, the rock. Ryland Grace is a very unusual sidekick, who he calls Rocky. I'll leave it at that. All right, that's that's a bit of a stretch, but he's saying the alien rock is good is like Peter. We founded the church on. Look, you know what you should do? You should. Do you want to troll Baron? You should go tweet this and say, I guess Bishop Barron thinks the only white guy in the movie is a Christ figure. So the the thing is, like he's overplaying these Christian themes. There are there is a redemption for his character. The thing is, he doesn't have anyone back on earth that he cares about at all. So he doesn't die for humanity, he dies for this alien dog. Like he's he doesn't even die for him, he's willing to die for the alien dog. Like, and it's a dog. It's really so is is is it even an intelligent alien? Yeah, yeah, but they it Dude, it acts like a dog and it's but it's it can it's just I'm as much as I'm crapping on it right now. I'm you will enjoy the movie if you go see it. Like it is a good movie to see with your kids. You will walk away feeling good, happy with the ending. It's just the dumb alien is a bit much. There are some good themes in it. There's redemption, there's the main theme is like how important companionship is, like and to have friendship. Because he doesn't have a single friend on earth, and then he goes up to space and he meets this dumb rock and he's like his bestie. He doesn't know how lucky he was. Yeah. Yeah. Um I'll take this leg dig. No, I'm not not talking about not talking about you specifically. Um, someone says, uh, just joined locals after listening just on YouTube for a couple months, and I feel uh feel like I'm hanging out with the boys. That's what that's what locals is, you know, right? Like somebody somebody said earlier, like, this is boring. You're talking about the show. It's like we're giving you guys inside baseball. Like, I don't know. We're just like we're telling you guys stuff. You're not really supposed to be interested in what we're talking about. You're just supposed to no, it's it's honestly it's Friday night, and we're just like riffing on what's going on in the color. Like, that's what it should just be like you're hanging out with your boys. Like, we're just we're just BS it about with dude. Did you see this Michael Fox thing? Uh yes and no. Like, yes, I saw it. No, I didn't watch it. Oh man, well, we gotta watch this a little bit because we do a lot of trashing of women, and uh well, okay, hold on. Now, guys, I know we talked about clips earlier, but you cannot take a clip of Anthony saying something nice about women, okay? Yeah, yeah, yeah. This can't be clips. I have I have a reputation uphold. I can't be out there saying nice things about these broads. But this woman, this woman is uh like this is the stuff saints are made of.

SPEAKER_00 1:52:17

I truly regret marrying Tracy Pollen. I've ruined her life. Thirty-seven years ago, in the Vermont sun, I held her hand and said I do, thinking I'd give her a lifetime of stability. But I never saw it coming. Parkinson's would tear that promise to shreds. The day I was diagnosed in 1991, she held me and cried. After that, her whole life revolved around me. She used to be the kind of girl who loves shopping and going to movies with friends, but later, her schedule was filled with my doctor's appointments, physical therapy, and helping me organize materials for the foundation. Our four kids are the most precious gift she's ever given me. I worked myself ragged, trying to leave her with as much as I could while I still had control over my body. And she was always right there with me at every event, looking after me. She's the one who should be taken care of, but instead, she's the one shielding me, keeping me safe. I regret it not loving her, but making her carry so much for me. Her life should have been brighter, not dragged down by my illness. I just hope I get more time, time to stay with her.

SPEAKER_16 1:53:20

Um married.

SPEAKER_07 1:53:25

Molly said, just know the audio is AI, and Michael J. Fox never said that. I don't know if he never said that. I think he like wrote a book where he talks about I was gonna say, I I know he wrote I because I was thinking of the same thing. I'm like, I know he wrote that, but I don't think he's at the point where he can actually that that he's yeah, could say that's not his voice, that is AI. But the thing is, regardless of if he said it or didn't say it, the the woman married him, and two years later he gets diagnosed with this. Everyone knows Michael J. Fox. She's not so famous, like she was on family ties, and like she was in a couple of things, but she's like the whole her whole life ends up being taking care of him, and that's a tall order for a girl in her 20s, man. I mean, he he didn't deteriorate immediately. I was also thinking about how he had it at the same time JP2 had it. Like JP2 deteriorates in front of our eyes, too, right? When does JP2 get diagnosed? Is 80, 80 something? Yeah, check when JP2 gets diagnosed. And this woman essentially like just has to lay down her life for him, like and and she stays with him 1991. Did not acknowledge the illness until 2003. Oh, so nobody knew he had Parkinson's until 03. Yeah, it sounds like they um how is that possible? John Paul II was at uh public events. There were signs like trembling, and there were signs that were visible earlier. Um yeah, many suspected it earlier, uh, but the Vatican did not confirm it until 2003. When when does JP2 deteriorate before our eyes? Like like he was still speaking clearly and stuff in the 90s, I guess.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:28

Um let's see here.

JD Vance UFO Talk And The Demonic

SPEAKER_07 1:55:32

So but not so then let's see. There were there was two falls, one in 93 and 94. Um okay, so yeah, an orthopedic surgeon confirmed in 2001 he was suffering from Parkinson's. Okay, um, and he had the bad can acknowledge it in 2003. But I would say mid-90s is when people maybe started to suspense. It starts deteriorating before our eyes and like really getting bad, and like he, you know, he he was having a hard time even speaking and stuff. I mean, those last few years were really bad. Yeah, but um even still, like for a girl in her 20s to marry him and not bail, you know, and like I guarantee their marriage was forged in fire, man. Like when you go through something like that, like that that's why they're still together because Michael J. Fox wasn't uh uh like lured by other women and things like that. He knew what he had at home. He knew he had this this woman at home who cared for him. There was never, you know, because he didn't deteriorate right away either. Michael J. Fox was on like on TV shows well into the 2000s, you know, even the the signs were there, and we all knew he had it, but they weren't so bad until the 2000s. So she, you know, she gets that diagnosis, and all of a sudden he's a doctor's appointment at the doctor's appointment. And he probably just held on to that girl for deal life because you don't want to go through something like that alone, man. There's nothing worse than suffering alone. Oh, there is actually, and we talked about her on this show. What the one case where the the woman's husband or whatever uh gets in a terrible car accident and like she keeps like caring for him, but then marries his brother or something. Remember that's oh my goodness. Trust me. That guy wished he suffered alone. My sister-in-law's freaking husband. Holy cow, that was awful. Yes. That guy tried to drive himself into the pool in the wheelchair. Wait, did he for real? Yeah, he drove when he was home alone. He drove his wheelchair into the pool, tried to drown himself. Somebody caught somebody found him. That's right. Oh man. Um, for anybody that doesn't for anybody that doesn't know the story. Um, on their honeymoon, my wife's sisters Wait, wait, wait, what, wait. This this is a you this is a you story? I thought this is something we saw online. Oh, this is Nicole's sister, Cassandra's friend. Okay, I apologize. They get married, they go on their honeymoon, the husband dives off the back of a boat on their honeymoon and breaks his neck. Oh, damn. And he becomes a paraplegic. They go home, she has to take care of him. They're together for years. I think they I don't know if they she got I don't know if they had a kid before they were married. I think they had a kid. And after like a few years of caring for him, he eventually tells her you should remarry, you should go find somebody else, and then she brings another man into the house, and he's in a wheelchair, and him and the new guy are like best friends. But like he tried to take his own life. Yeah, you just get he got to a point where he just felt. I mean, the girl was in her 20s, and he just felt like he robbed her of her entire life. Now, she still takes care of him till this day, but she's with a new guy, and he's got to watch every day as his wife goes up the stairs. And I'm sure by now it's worn off, but um Molly said there's another case you guys talked about where the guy basically has a debilitating accident, can't even speak, and then the woman divorces him and marries another man, yet she continues to care for a woman. Yeah, see, see, okay, see, I was right. That's what I was thinking of, but I think talking about that brought up your story that yeah, okay. I mean, I have told that story on here. I've I've definitely told that story on here. It's it's just oof. I I don't know, man. I mean, my wife would never do that to me, but I've I would I would rather be dead. I would rather be dead. Like just there's there's no way I can endure that. That's that's no way. But I can bring you to Chinatown with uh a screen over with you giving your Chinese priest impression. People saying it's sickness and health, but like, dude, you're talking on your wedding, like on your honeymoon, this happens. Like you haven't even settled in to math. You take the vows, and two days later, like that's a I think my dad was diagnosed with MS within the first year after marrying my mom. Wow. Was it bad? Huh? Was the MS bad? At times. Um it was bad, it was bad initially, and then it would, you know, would kind of get better, and then I there was points when I was young when it was bad enough where we'd have a nurse, you know, in the house with us, and then it would get better, and then I mean, not ever, not not ever fully better, you know, but like he worked as a mechanic up until I was maybe eight or so. So, but then it got too bad for him to work and yeah, stuff. Yeah, I have a friend whose wife has MS. Uh, and like sometimes she'll be fine, and then sometimes her legs will just stop working. Yeah, it and it the the disease, you know, sometimes it's it's about like um firing your brain firing the synapses to your muscles or something, right? The the myelin coating on the nerves degrades, so the the the it the nerves can kind of misfire or the messages don't fully make it through. Yeah, so it can cause muscle weakness, um slurred speech, vision problems, you know, a lot of stuff. Oh I feel I there's not a day that goes by that I don't thank God for like blessing me with health and my family's healthy, and because man, some people endorse some really, really hard stuff. Um yeah, I mean that like that that that guy's wife could have took the opportunity for sanctity. And I don't even want to condemn her for what she did bringing the guy in. Like I mean, a girl in her 20s, you feel you have you have I have empathy and compassion for her to be lonely like that. Like that's an awful that's a that's an awful sentence to just to think your life's about to start and you're married and that happens on your honeymoon. Yeah, but this is that's the difference in that's what that's the stuff saints are made of, you know. And that's why I was saying about Michael J. Fox's wife, like she could have that's the that's the stuff saints are made of. Like when you're when you're faced with something like that, how you choose to handle something like that is the difference in just being a regular person or being something spectacular and building your like that woman just heaped treasure upon treasure in heaven with that with that, you know? Like it's I feel the same way about Catherine of Aragorn. Yeah, 100%. I think that she handled what Henry VIII did to her with such heroic virtue that that that's it's insane to me that she is not canonized. That woman should be canonized. There should be a uh there should be a cult around her. Anne is right. We only watch their programming until oh, they guess talking about Jews. You guys are funny in the chat. It's hard to follow the local you think you guys would be talking about what we're talking about, and you're talking about something we talked about 20 minutes ago. Like, what what you were you were talking about that that woman. You're like, I don't blame her. I don't blame her. She had the opportunity to be a saint. Paul, that must be when Paul goes, and then she took the opportunity to be a hoe. She went straight to hell. Um proof Ants saint putting up Ant's debilitating mind. Uh, let me see if I got anything else in here before we go. Uh do you guys like this format where we kind of just like riff on different interesting things? Because it's um there's like different ways we we try to do shows. I I kind of like them, especially for locals.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:46

Uh yeah, I like like locals.

SPEAKER_07 2:04:48

I like to kind of just riff on different things that are going on out there and stuff, but um I saw Father Dan Rehill was on TMZ. On TMZ, yeah, Father Dan Rehill on TMZ. Interesting. We need to get him on. Yeah, and we got connections to get him on. Um Paul said, this is a great format, but I'm an A V lifer, so I'm biased. Yeah, I don't know. Like, there's the like instead of having like uh one thing you talk about all show, and then you do one, like I kind of I'll find stuff on X. I'd be like, I can do five, ten minutes on that. Okay, but I think the better question to ask is for those of you who who have joined, which obviously you all have, what made you join initially? Like uh if you've been here a while, obviously you like this stuff, but what made you take that initial jump? Pay that initial five dollars. Make none of two four says no, I don't two boring shows in a row. What do you what do you want? Look, it's there's nothing like happening. This is kind of what we're stuck with, and then uh I mean, we literally we put the show off a whole day to try to wait for more stuff to happen and nothing happened. Yeah, it's just nothing happening. So uh, but then tomorrow you're gonna get a Maudsley interview, and then we're gonna like it. It's good to do interviews and get people on just because it brings fresh conversation in. But if it's just me and Rob, like someone said I joined just so you could get an extra hour to stream on locals back when we couldn't stream. That's amazing, and you're still around that's the retard savant and the Minnesota to cool down. We're gonna, yeah, we're gonna. I'm gonna see who else should I interview to the new format sucks. Five out of five stars. Oh, wait, I got a great review. Oh, we gotta read this review. Hold on. Well, well, let's it didn't go through because he said something in it that he talked about anti-Semitism in it. Oh, listen to this review. Uh, a high school dropout regurgitates Scott Hahn lectures to justify his anti-Semitism. He clearly grew up grew up watching the Sopranos and the Passion of Christ, and it formed his entire personality. Meanwhile, his partner would rather be cleaning his favorite firearm, handloading his own ammunition, or praying the rosary in a shows. Since I started watching the show, I now have to go to confession for cursing my parish music director after every Novus Ordo mass I attend, and I no longer do the dishes. Five stars. So Apple Apple uh wouldn't let him get that one through because it said anti-Semitism in it. That's funny. Um, all right, let's check out uh Father Dan Rio.

SPEAKER_06 2:07:43

I joined from Moz League. Just this episode or a past episode. I hate the way the um logos comments on that. You can't click on them and like see like the last one that that one's commenting on.

SPEAKER_14 2:08:08

Let's start just maybe educating us a little bit because personally I'm confused um that there there is this alarm over exorcisms and Satanism. But with exorcisms, that's something that's done. You do it.

SPEAKER_04 2:08:25

I think the concern of the exorcist was number one, there's a rise in evil, and when there's a rise in evil, there's a rise in possessions. Okay. The more people are curious about the occult and witchcraft, new age, all these practices, the more they're opening doors to allow demons to possess them. There's only so many exorcists that can do the right of exorcism. And their concerns was ever they wanted every diocese to be signed assigned at least one exorcist.

SPEAKER_07 2:08:52

Didn't he just go on a cruise? Oh, maybe that's why he got some burned. Yeah, like he's more tan than I have. This fathery hill. Didn't Mike Lewis didn't Mike Lewis just blast him because he went on a cruise pilgrimage thing? Oh man, he doesn't criticize anybody that deals in the demons.

SPEAKER_04 2:09:12

That was one of the requests. Because sadly, there are many that I just don't have an exorcist, and those people just suffer and have no real place to turn to be liberated. But I'll tell you when I did see a surge, that was during COVID. During COVID, the cases tripled. And I think that was primarily because the churches were shut down, people were locked up at home with idle time on their hands to do nothing but get into mischief, and the cases skyrocketed.

SPEAKER_13 2:09:36

Clearly, you you've performed exorcisms. What evidence would you say you've seen to say that yes, the devil exists?

SPEAKER_04 2:09:46

Okay, the the the classic three would be superhuman strength, remarkable strength that is not a Lord knowledge of hidden things that you couldn't know, and an aversion to holy objects. If you see those things in any combination, that generally there could, we would say there's probably a demonic presence there. Um it's sometimes difficult to discern the difference between that and say a mental illness. But I've had cases of people who levitated off the couch, and so it was clearly not a mental illness.

SPEAKER_13 2:10:18

That that's the classic thing that you see in Hollywood, is what we saw in the film The Exorcism, The Exorcist. How often do you see that level where you are, as you said, seeing someone levitating?

SPEAKER_04 2:10:31

It's rare because of all the cases that cross my desk, out of every, say, hundred, maybe one has actual possession. And of those, maybe 10% manifest in those really hyperbolic ways that are there more for the drama of getting the attention of anybody in the room. But typically you don't see all those things come together in one person.

SPEAKER_14 2:10:53

How do you distinguish a surge in evil from the kind of toxic world that we're now living in?

SPEAKER_04 2:11:00

You can say he's the original influencer right from the beginning, and he influences people to do terrible things. And uh, that's where the real problem is for people that aren't connected to God, they're easy targets to pick off by the devil.

SPEAKER_14 2:11:14

There are a lot of people now, you know, half the country points to the other half as being evil and vice versa. And, you know, there is that kind of toxic world where you do demonize somebody that you disagree with now. So how are you distinguishing between that and somebody who is possessed?

SPEAKER_04 2:11:36

So I would say when we're seeing this much division, division's the calling card of Lucifer. Division, uh uh public nudity. Um, there's certain things you could see in the culture where you say, well, that's clearly this is being influenced by demonic minions. Okay, so I have a theory on what brought them on.

unknown 2:11:59

Well.

Exorcism Talk And Spiritual Warfare Basics

SPEAKER_07 2:12:01

So I mean it was clear they weren't someone else interviewed him and then they cut the clip to match the questions they those two had. Oh yeah. Some of his answers, like it was clearly edited together. I don't think those two actually that's interesting. So all right, so I I caught a Father Rehill episode last week two weeks ago. Father Rehill that like he usually stays away from controversial stuff. He went off on Israel for I forgot what it was. Was it was it the closing of the Holy Sepulchre, maybe? Probably it was either that or like the bombing of a Christian church or something. He went off and he kind of snapped. And I he's never done that before, and I was like, this is awesome. I was like, yes. And I think maybe uh maybe they're trying to get him back over to that that kosher Catholicism line a little bit, trying to keep him in check, maybe. I hope not. I don't know. He it his show that night was pretty awesome, but yeah, you never know. I mean, it's the people love the sensationalism of exorcists, yeah. Oh, you just had Father Ripiger on Sean Ryan, and that show did numbers. So, you know, that there could be the aspect of they just want to get the sensationalism of having uh an exorcist on, and I'm glad he didn't like feed into that too much. He kind of kept it, you know, like the reality is you don't often catch cases of people levitating, like the for the for oh I would I would imagine majority of the times these priests go out and it's just a mental illness or something, but I think we over-diagnose mental illness and we underdiagnose demonic activity. Yeah, but the vast majority I think are probably neither and it's just spiritual maybe not possession, right? I think I think I think there's something I've seen it in my own house, like when I when I first started going back to mass and I wanted to go to the Latin, like I saw in like in my wife her reaction to me wanting to go, like I've seen it. It's not crazy to think that we underestimate the amount of activity, the demonic activity there is. I like it took like a while for my wife to kind of you know, of constant confession and things like that. Before that was that that animosity was was died down. I'll tell you, man, watching Nicole this Lent has been like she's got I like I'm I'm I'm I can't keep up with her, man. She's the amount she wakes up and she just gets up and she reads for like 45 minutes every day. She's reading three different books. I'm like, what the heck is going on? This woman, she's just uh this Lent, I've never seen her like this. I can't, I mean, I'm constantly on my phone looking for stuff for the show, and she's just she'll be sitting next to me reading a book, and I'm just like, Man, this woman.

SPEAKER_03 2:15:16

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_07 2:15:19

Yeah, yeah, it's nothing, nothing makes you happier than watching your wife the thing that you've been trying to get her to do for Zola, and then all of a sudden she just kind of takes off with it. It's it's pretty awesome. So the um couple days ago, Maddie. Um Maddie goes, How long has it been since we watched that passion movie, Dad? Um, I'm like, Well, it wasn't last Easter, it was the Easter before, I think. Um, but he only sat a half he watched it up until the scourging. Got too too much from it and we watched a little bit of scourging. He's like, and I told him, I'm like, if at any point it becomes too much, you just tell me and we'll turn it off. And we get to the scourging, and he and he tells me and we turn it off. He goes, two years. So he goes, Well, so it's been gonna be two years. I think I want to try to watch it again this year, dad. So we're gonna we're gonna try that next year. It's a good dude. It's a it's a liturgy in my home every good Friday. Yeah, I mean, it's like a liturgical event in my home. So um women, woman named Nicole have things figured out. I guess that's a Nicole. Oh, is that is that Nicole from um yeah, me and me and Nicole talk a lot on uh on uh he was five last time we tried to watch him. Yeah, that's a bit young uh to get through discouraging things. I'll tell you, my my older daughter cannot watch that to this day. Like she's just she can't watch scary movies, she can't watch anything violent, she can't watch, she just has such a sensitivity to stuff like that that she like she hides her eyes when scenes like that come on. My younger daughter's like, let's go.

SPEAKER_08 2:16:57

But my older daughter, she's she can't.

Suffering Marriage Fidelity And Sanctity

SPEAKER_07 2:17:01

Um yeah, that's a that's a uh Evan, that's a good uh uh ritual to have with your brother every every good Friday at 3 p.m. Um if you're new and don't know about Hawaiian Pigeon episode, you have to go back. Uh W Women should not like violence. Yeah, my yeah, my daughter's super sensitive to stuff like that. Even if like me and my wife are arguing, she freaks out. She doesn't like it. Me and my wife can't have an argument in front of her. Uh The Miracle of Fasting. I think the title of the book, apparently the autopsy is real health books. I saw an interesting thing from Peugeot the other day about the passion and how uh he didn't like he loves the passion, but he didn't like how Mel Gibson had them nail the nails through his wrists, which I never noticed. I thought he put it through his hands. I can't recall stuff in my head. He said uh it was a pretty interesting point. He said, like it's like when you're trying to get to like the scientific thing to figure out how this would have worked, like you're missing the meaning of it because having his hands pierced, which every piece of Christian art has always shown, his hands pierced, it's because our hands have meaning. Like we do things with our hands, we build things with our hands, we create with our hands. So to have our his hands pierced, it's why the image of the hand is so important that you shouldn't focus on the scientific way it would have held his body up and stuff. You should just look for the meaning of the hands, which I thought was pretty interesting. I thought the I thought in the movie the nails were in his hands and they had they tied ropes around his wrist. That's what I thought too. That's why I was a little confused by what he said. That I'll I'll I'll I'll watch X. I mean, I'll yeah, I'll pay attention. Pay attention to that. Let me know. Yeah, um, Mr. Casey, though, has a good article as to how and why it could have been and was through the hand. And he is a hand surgeon, so he would know. And also, what yeah, especially once the feet are nailed, also, it takes a lot of the weight off the hands. Like if you put a corpse up, it might pull through, but when you have the feet holding too, he's holding a lot of the weight up with his feet. So, um, all right, we did a little longer tonight than we usually do. So I think we can. Godfather Casey, Mr. Casey, Mrs. Casey's husband, is uh is uh is a surgeon. I'll see if I can find the article real quick.

SPEAKER_06 2:19:53

Yep, right here from one Peter Phi from six years ago.

Tomorrow’s Guest And Sign Off

SPEAKER_07 2:20:00

Back when it was still back when it was actually never mind. Still trad. Yeah. Back before it was where Peter is. Wow. Or like where Pelican is. Yeah. Where Pelican is. Uh we're still working on the uh conference. We'll we'll get back to you guys with details. I gotta we gotta we gotta regroup and figure some stuff out. Turns out it's a big, big job. Yeah. Uh you got the article? Uh it's in there. It's not on screen. Oh, I didn't know you wanted it on screen. I just put it in the the chat. Oh, I thought you were gonna read it. No, it's a long article. Oh, it's a long article. You guys can go check that out. All right, me and Rob are gonna wrap this up. Uh can't believe you just doxed Mr. Casey. I did not dox Mr. Casey. We revealed him as Mr. Casey, Ollie's husband. And believe it or not, you introduced me to St. Therese. Oh, that's awesome. Uh all right, take us out, Rob. We'll see you guys on, we'll see you guys tomorrow morning. Bright and early, eight a.m. Want to see people in the locals chat? Set your alarms. We'll see you guys in the morning. Eastern. Eastern time. 8 a.m.